People are wrong about Gordon, Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt (Sodor’s Legend of the Lost Treasure)
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If you want to see both sides of the argument, to find some kind of middle ground or understanding, here’s the links to two:
Was Sir Topham Hatt Right or Wrong by The Thomas Theorist; ua-cam.com/video/Uz17kpjcoCQ/v-deo.htmlsi=FB8ayp_PeEHlsE_j
The debate of SLOTLT by EverthingProductions2004; drive.google.com/file/d/1gIbK8tEc4dDj4jdgI0LPZvpmBJNABCZH/view
If you’re interested check out my discord server: discord.gg/PA6Z4Q3VqX
For those who don’t know what the boys comic is and want an understanding of it: ua-cam.com/video/JyKliIF49JQ/v-deo.htmlsi=Hac91Hhzr59feOaz
Is this the surprise you were talking about? If so, then it’s a fantastic surprise! Thank you so much for including a link to that Google doc of that debate I made! I greatly appreciate it! I also love that you included Thomas Theorist’s video on the matter! I’ve seen it too, and it’s fantastic too!
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@@ScorchZane Then thank you so much! I’m sure Thomas Theorist will be thankful too!
@@everythingproductions2004and so will I since I’m making a criticism video about these Topham haters.
@@joshuaW5621 Okay. That's fine. Just a word of advice, please be polite in how you give your criticism, okay?
i will NOT take this gordon slander.
Thank you for standing up for gordon.
#JusticeForGordon
And #JusticeForSTH too.
Also #IgnoreForThomas
I think the reason why people hate Thomas' characterization in the movie is because we are so used to Thomas being portrayed in a sympathetic light.
That's true at least in the current series, but if you look back in both the Railway Series books and a classic series, Thomas was a cheeky hot-headed prick. Yes, since series 5, he has grown and matured since then, but he still gets that big head from time to time.
@@jayheadley8061in a good way, but it’s all in good fun. But serisouly though I think series 5 Thomas is better than his earlier personalities
@@IronSteelRailroader That, we can definitely agree on.
@@jayheadley8061 Yep that we can, and I can say that the legends of the lost treasure could've been better in my opinion Thomas not being the main character and instead have an other engine take care of his services. and thomas as a humble peak and mature engine
@@IronSteelRailroader I definitely do see what you mean. I mean there were a few movies where Percy took the leading role. (Day of the Diesels and Tale of the Brave).
Which engine would you consider having the leading role in SLOTST instead of Thomas? I'd say Percy, but that's like a one trick pony. And I can't really see Rosie, Emily, James, Bill and Ben or Philip having that role either.
Also a lot of fans seem to speculate that this film is meant to take place after the Who's Geoffrey episode, which I can see myself, especially the way Sir Topham Hatt has treated Thomas in this film. (Understandable though minus the dynamite scene, but I digress.)
(Off topic)
I also remember Unlucky Tug saying that Gordon should have had the leading role in The Great race and I personally agree.
Gordon did nothing that couldn't be referred to as "banter"
Thomas literally caused damage and reflected the blame and was very careless
The fat controller was just doing his job and only shouts at thomas when needed
It's very confusing and intriguing to see that everyone thinks Gordon deserved punishment and that Sir Topham Hatt should have apologized to Thomas for the way he was treating him, *but the person who deserved the punishment was Thomas himself, who caused much more damage when it could have turned into a tragedy*
Personally I think Thomas is portrayed perfectly in this film. Yes ideally they should keep the Thomas and Gordon alliance going, but the CGI series seems to keep a status quo that Gordon is prideful and Thomas is cheeky and impulsive. So given that context I feel like this is exactly how they would react to one another
This is exactly why status quo is the bane of my existence.
@@stirlingno.1296 Had to maintain traits to characters you know.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967
At the cost of them never developing beyond those archetypes, noooooo thank you.
Yeah also they also featured their alliance in a few hit and miller episodes like Thomas and the runaway car and Snow tracks just to name a few
@cinnamonmantrainsareawesom7224 To be honest, I feel those were only episodes where their alliance was actually shown.
Parents actually hated this movie because they said thomas was too dicky, yet, thats Thomas, he was a dick in the railway series
He was also a dick in the first 7 seasons as well.
Actually in the RWS after Book 30 (MATTTE) Thomas started being a little nicer and less rude and cocky. Same goes for season 3 where he also took a level in kindness and being a good source of advice and voice of reason. It wasn't till season 5 that his maturity reached it's peak. After the HIT takeover Thomas has been nothing but nice.
@dslade6559 That is true, he has grown and matured since series 5. I guess it just depends on the writer, to be honest. Looking back at it now, you were actually right about Thomas being a lot nicer after More about Thomas the Tank Engine when he was no longer mean to Percy. Even when he meets Bill and Ben for the first time, he doesn't seek vengeance towards them.
The fact that Thomas and Gordon’s alliance is nonexistent in the CGI series, in addition to the fact that the crews hardly speak, are my two big gripes about the latter half of the show.
Their alliance has been broken since season 5.
@@joshuaW5621I would disagree
What Gordon did was nowhere near as bad as what Thomas did. The most I could’ve expected to see as a punishment for Gordon would be if the big engine snickered when Thomas was getting punished and the fat controller just glared at the big engine as a way of saying “shut up unless you want to be next”. But that’s as far as it should go. To drop them at one even have known that Gordon said anything so there would be no reason he would get in trouble
Yeah because I think James was the one who tricked Thomas into playing pranks on Gordon by derailing the express. However, Sir Topham Hatt misunderstood Thomas' act of saving Ryan from a disastrous situation while helping out with the construction of the Harwick Branch Line (where Arthur works to this day in my headcanon) until one day when Thomas succeeded in helping the police to capture Sailor John for stealing the precious treasure.
This is why i dislike Sir topham hatt in this movie.
@@JellytoyProductions me too
I remember saying once, “don’t blame the characters, blame the writers.” This film is a good example of that.
Yeah ngl as much brenner made Thomas peek this was kinda where a blame can be shifted to
@ScorchZane I have a confession.
I used to think the same way as the people who hated STH and Gordon. But I saw your video and my opinion was completely changed for the better.
Thank you for opening my eyes and seeing the bigger picture.
Can't blame Fat Hatt for being pissed with Thomas with how stupid he was acting. And while Gordon may have been being a jerk, it was still Thomas who caused the accident as he chose to screw around with the coaches so Thomas is 100% at fault for the accident at Knapford Junction.
a good comparison to this movie would be the original Toy Story from 1995, In that film Woody tries to get rid of Buzz and sucseedes in a way he didn't expect, that causes the other toys to turn on him, that's almost exactly what happened here, Thomas takes the express away from Gordon and then crashes the express and Topham get's mad at him. I don't know if anyone else has made this comparison before but I rewatched Toy Story recently and in my head I was like "this is almost like Lost Treasure"
The only way I can see Gordon Getting punished
Is if He buffers up to thomas pushes him and shoves him off the rails
1:40 This never gets old 🤣🤣
1:48 "HUH?!" 🤣
But in all seriousness though, I do agree with you. I hate how Andrew Brenner written Thomas and Gordon as bitter enemies
Me too. In the classic series Henry was the one Thomas had the most arguments with but since S8 when they turned Henry into a big wimpy softie they decided to make Gordon the only big engine Thomas quarrels with.
I will NOT take this Gordon and sir topham hatt slander
Thanks you for standing up both of them
15:12 also this is my first cameo
To this day, when I first watched Sodor, legend of the lost treasure I still do not like it when people defend Thomas when the movie came out I still think Gordon was in the right for being mad at him for being reckless with his coaches plus he didn’t do anything wrong. He was just standing there short, call him a little tank and that’s one thing but it was just a joke. I’m pretty sure he was joking.and Sir Topham hat was totally in the right for scolding and Thomas because he was being irresponsible and blaming his friends for the matter wasn’t helping anything so the only person they should be mad at in the movie is Thomas himself because he was the one who caused everything
Just shows how silly many people pick sides (pinning the blame) it’s pretty straight forward.
I just saw another video that looks at both sides between Topham and Thomas and I have to agree Thomas was in the wrong…Topham finally losing his temper can be explained by The Boy Who Cried Wolf…Thomas kept making excuses and Topham had heard enough…at the end he simply tried to apologize rather than passing the blame
I think these Thomas defenders are just bullshitters They haven’t even watched the movie. They just decided to blame Gordon on everything. When Gordon did nothing wrong, but just told Thomas to hurry up dude he was just telling him to hurry up so he couldn’t be late
They probably aren’t even real Thomas fans considering they don’t understand the characters and their situations either.
Blaming Gordon for Thomas derailing the express is like blaming him for Sir Handel pretending to be ill and getting Peter Sam hit with the trucks in Trucks.
And plus, we need the movie to be in-character too! Thomas and Gordon was always like this!
@@EngelFundamentalEducation Yes and no. Yes, they were like that in the beginning, but as the series progressed, they eventually came to respect each other more and even form an alliance.
But this movie just completely ignores all of that and reverts them back to how they interacted at the start. And it sucks to watch.
@@worthybutter2004their alliance has frequently been broken since season 5. It’s not exclusive to this movie.
Finally someone got it out there. Also just to add to the bit about Sir Topham Hatt, lots of the events in season 19 happen at the same time. This means several episodes at the same time and some shortly before this movie. Some even happen at the same time as the first parts of the movie such as in Best Engine Ever Marion is at the yards as she's heading up to the construction site. The railway being extremely busy as well as several accidents and engines having been out of service, no wonder Sir Topham Hatt would be so stressed and when Thomas makes it worse, he has every right to be angry.
Interesting video 10 out of 10
And I kinda have to agree with the with the whole punishing Gordon for calling Thomas a silly little Tank Engine, which is the most stupidest thing to get punished for if you ask me.
It’s like punishing him for giving Sir Handel the idea to pretend to be sick in Trucks.
Good video! Lesson of the story kids, don’t give a dime about what people say. I just wanna point out that this movie is fine in my opinion as a part the cgi canon, a different canon to both the models and books.
0:08 WOOOOOOOOOOOOO I MADE MY FIRST CAMEO!!!!!!
Yeah the more I look into it. Thomas is just an ass in the movie. The first accident was his fault and the second. The third was somewhat his fault but at least he tried to fix his situation. When I first watched this movie, I knew Thomas was acting reckless here. Yeah Gordon could have been like shuten up by Topham but Thomas fucked up 3 times and Everytime he did, Topham would get angry immediately. Its understandable but the 3rd mess up is still mix in my opinion.
The thomas defenders are literally 4 year olds (not all of them)
This has to be the most satisfying video I have ever seen.
Thomas deserved it. He kept lying and putting blame on others. Sure Gordon’s comment was rude, but that was just that, a rude comment. Gordon didn’t tell Thomas to move the coaches across the mainline, Thomas shunted the coaches himself, it was Thomas’s actions. Thomas blamed others and after the mineshaft incident he did it again. Sure, no one stood up for Thomas after the Dynamite incident, but that’s on everyone else for not speaking, not Topham. And as for Topham, he was angry the first two times because Thomas was lying, and the third time Topham saw Thomas chase Ryan with lit dynamite, so he didn’t get the full picture, and since Thomas had lied to Topham twice in the same movie, Topham doesn’t believe Thomas. To quote another Thomas user (TTTE Guy), this is a boy who cried wolf situation. Thomas lied the first two times and the third time no one believes him. And even then Thomas damaged/lost railway property THREE TIMES, that stuff is expensive to get. And the reason why Thomas is forgiven at the end is because 1. Thomas owned up to his mistakes and 2. Thomas did the right thing.
It's basicly the 3 strikes formula done right
Opinion respected! and I’m surprised that Thomas didn’t go full William afton/purple guy from five nights at freddy’s in this situation
To ScorchZane:
in the coments from the video "Was Sir topham hatt right or wrong" by thomas theorist i send coments that also are debate to sir topham hatt's role in Sodor's Legend of the lost tresure but a user known as Josua W56 is making coments that im a fake thomas fan but im a actually a fan of thomas since i was little, booing at me because that altarnate ending that i made sucks also he send a coment like sir topham hatt and thomas where very mean to me because i make fanfics about everyone being mad at him and the defenders of topham said that sir topham hatt was right to yell a thomas for making expensive damages im not angry, my childhood is still alive and also i like creepy stuff.
Tbh i don't blame them, given the minion you make fanfics of people being mad to Topham, and basically protraying him more worst then the media did. why wouldn't they call you a fake fan when you defend someone who's actions is not just frustrating but also very reckless.
Thx for including me in a cameo :D
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I see Thomas and Gordon as frenemies sometimes. :P
I always think that SLOTLT was the boiling point for Sir Topham Hatt to finally think that he should one day put his foot down on Thomas' shenanigans when Thomas goes way too far with his high degree of stupidity, eagerness or arrogance.
Usually I think any of the first engines that Topham would put his foot down on would be either Thomas, James, Gordon or maybe Diesel.
1 thing I wish that could've been mentioned in the movie was that Thomas could've brought up that he was the first one to find the pirate ship in the sinkhole not Rocky.
Thomas could've blamed Gordon since he was being a pompous turd to him about tender engines not shunting.
Topham has had far worse moments when it comes to running his railway or things that his engines didn't cause whether it was something that wasn't out of his or her control or caused by someone else out of spite, sabotage and for revenge.
Examples:
Middle Engine
Misty Island rescue
Steam Team to the rescue
Slippy Sodor
Excellent video, ScorchZane! As much I don't like Thomas, Gordon and The Fat Controller in this movie, I do hate the hatedom of Gordon and Topham much more! They treat their opinions like fact when they shouldn't! No, scratch that! Opinions shouldn't be treated as fact, period! Now, to the Topham and Gordon haters/Thomas defenders, here's my message to you. It's fine to hate Topham and Gordon and defend Thomas, but only if you are kind in how you give your criticism and respect the opinions of those that defend Topham and Gordon and think Thomas is wrong, making the punishments he gets justified! It's not just about what you say. It's also about how you say it. And yeah, when you take your hate of something in fictional media to the level those fanfiction and video makers ScorchZane mentioned did, it gets annoying, and you become bad as a result. Also, it's been eight years since Sodor's Legend of The Lost Treasure came out, so the hate is also old news. So yeah. It's fine to hate Topham and Gordon and defend Thomas, but only if you go about in a respectful way and respect the opinions of the defenders. That's what I've done, and will continue to do: have my opinions and respect different points of view on the matter.
they could at least not put too much hatred onto Gordon
@@ScorchZane Exactly! Like I said, too much hatred results in the bad fan fictions and videos you mentioned. And let's be real. Hate art is a waste of time
The fact they’re still being petty after the biggest people in the fandom people like the Unlucky Tug and Thomas Theorist defended Topham’s behaviour is just so embarrassing to me.
@@joshuaW5621 I know. As much as I find some things The Unlucky Tug does questionable, at least he’s nowhere near the level of those haters
Well I am on Thomas’s side
I’m currently making a criticism video on the Topham haters so it pleases me to see that even you are backing us up on this subject too.
Good luck man
Well, Thomas and Gordon could still have banter from time to time with their main traits and all despite being allies so I don't see any problem with that in CGI Brenner era. Besides, SLOTLT is perfect for Thomas in the main protagonist role and that he learns how to own up for his mistakes which in the classic series never shows despite maturity arc and that regardless, he is still cheeky as it's part of who he is and that never changes. Hopefully you understand that, ScorchZane.
Even if he was cheeky it wouldn’t be to this extreme, otherwise that would’ve happened in the books as well (like yeah he and Gordon tease from time to time mainly because that’s how friends are sometimes, they just mess around).
But it’s hard to really like this take of Thomas when he went not giving a crap in season two to worrying about his passengers in like say season 5. I also don’t like how Ryan is just a nice guy (like yeah not every engine has to be bad, but him being nice felt like trying to justify Thomas’ actions(
@@ScorchZane I heard that Ryan, in the original script for the movie, was actually portrayed as being "overconfident and dismissive", instead of the nice dude he was in the final film.
@@worthybutter2004 honestly would pay for him to take Thomas’ role with that characterization
Gordon bro was just chilling man.. He didn’t want to cause trouble but Thomas went ahead and started it. 😭
Anyways good video, 100% agree
In almost the end of the movie I think should of happen if sir fat hat secretly put a remote control on Thomas and control him to fall in the mine and use a big boulder with the help of a bulldozer and drop the boulder in the mine which could kill Thomas which will be bad but funny to sir fat hat but not to the engines
I wish thomas and gordon's rivaly ended ln this
So do I. Whatever happened to "United We Stand, Together We Fall. You Help Me And I'll Help You"? 💙💙 🚂 🚂
This is beyond the best video I've ever seen
Tbh I’m in the same boat as you about the silly little tank engine part
it’s mainly an excuse to criticize Gordon
Hay Scorch. How's work on the Timothy The Ghost Train video going? Please respond when you get this please.
busy
Gordon's role could go to an LNER B17 named Hendricks
And Thomas's role could be taken by James
Well in my opinion I think sodor legends of the lost treasure was one of the best plus I do like Thomas redemption arc at the end of the film when Thomas decides to put aside his cheekses and to stop sailor John form getting way with the pirate ship and the treasure at the same time but likely enough skipper did stop sailor John for getting away with the treasure so I really don’t hate this film I think really love it
I still think Thomas was out of character.
I mean this behavior would be correct if it took place during season one/the early railway series books but this takes place decades after and that’s the problem.
They just retconned decades of character development which messes the whole timeline up.
It's fine and Thomas is perfectly in character which Andrew Brenner did perfectly in terms of cheeky and everything that makes Thomas who he is even after development. Besides, owning up to mistakes is something never focused on before.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 Yeah but could he have done the "owning up to mistakes and admitting when you're wrong" in a story that takes place BEFORE Thomas developed as a character?
Then it would feel natural. This feels like a retcon.
*Cough* *Cough* Disaster Maker 2.0 *Cough* *Cough*
Finally, someone gets it
Is it me or does the thumbnail of the video look like a teaser for a thomas fan film where Gordon and Thomas are being enemies for a accident that they did not cause or involved with and some mean engines think it is sir topham hatt’s fault and the fat controller is trying to figure out who is responsible for the accident and who is right and who is wrong
Ngl it does seem like thta
Honestly, the way I see it, I feel that both Thomas and Gordon were in the wrong from the first time I saw the film. We all know Gordon is a pompous prick, that is pretty much his character through and through and we all know Thomas is a cheeky git since the books and the early seasons of the show. Thomas started it by calling Gordon lazy to begin with, so of course Gordon is going to bite back by being so smug about his position and calling Thomas a silly little Tank Engine. And although I can relate to Thomas's frustration, that still doesn't justify him derailing the Express Coaches, even if it was accidental. Also, I believe that Thomas was more in the wrong for not taking accountability for his actions with both the coaches and caven, but with the Dynamite situation, Thomas shouldn't have started the sentence with "It's not my fault" which of course Sir Topham Hatt is going to shut him up for that, I honestly wish Ryan and the Pack would back Thomas up, even though he caused this in the first place by giving Ryan the bad coal, but he still managed to redeem himself by preventing everyone from getting blown up. Even though his bigger redemption by trying to stop Sailor John was a lot more impactful.
As for Sir Topham Hatt, he was just doing his job, nothing big to say about it, it's what I'd expect from him when I first heard about this film. I may have had gripes with the Fat Controller in the past when he always blames engines for shit that was beyond their control. But in this one, it was a lot more justifiable for once. I understood his frustration when Thomas derailed Gordon's coaches and the Caven scene as well, I was a bit annoyed when STH ignored Thomas when he was trying to tell him about the pirate ship, but I get that it's just him being tired of Thomas' bullshit.
And his outburst in the dynamite scene while a bit over the top at first glance, it's was more understandable when you rewatch it. From his perspective, he thought Thomas has gone insane planning to kill Ryan with the dynamite, so of course he was going to lose his shit. All and all, I still enjoy the film, I'd say it was the most highly anticipated film throughout the Brenner era next to Tale of the Brave and The Adventure Begins. This is the only film where both Thomas and Sir Topham Hatt are in full character since the RWS books and the classic series.
Personally, the issue i have with the Fat Controller in this movie is not that he punishes Thomas, but rather HOW he punishes Thomas. Instead of explaining why what he did was wrong, he just straight up says to him "Shut up, Thomas. What you did was stupid and that's the end of it!"
Like, what sort of message is that?! That parents should not be parents and explain to their child why whatever they’re doing is potentially reckless?
Also, the part where he tells off Thomas for, from his perspective, attempting to kill Ryan could’ve been done better if once Topham finishes yelling at Thomas, we see a glint of sadness on his face for a few seconds, before he sighs, quickly reverts back to looking cross and leaves without another word. That, in my opinion, would add some nuance to the scene, showing us that deep down, Topham feels guilty for treating his No.1 engine like that, even if he sees it as the right thing to do.
Because i know some parents out there who feel bad for scolding their children, regardless of whether they deserved it or not. It just fucking HURTS for them to do so! It would’ve added so much to this movie if Brenner thought of this idea.
Oh, and also, i would have a scene where Ryan tells Topham the truth. I know it happens in the movie, but we never really get to see it, we're just told that he does, so in my version we do see it happen.
Then later on, after Thomas finally stops Sailor John and is rescued from the sea, it's a moment where both Thomas AND Topham get to apologise to each other, although it is acknowledged that it's mostly Thomas who needs to say sorry.
There! What do you think?
@@worthybutter2004 That would have been so much better and more impactful.
@@jayheadley8061 Thanks, glad you agree! I honestly don't think we've ever seen a Thomas story where the Fat Controller says sorry to his engines for scolding them. Yeah, i know half of the time, he's justified in doing so, but what if, just for once, he isn't?
The closest i can think of is the Series 5 episode "Cranky Bugs" where he thinks Thomas and Percy weren't helping Cranky, but later on when Cranky confesses that it was the other way round, he murmurs to himself "I owe those engines an apology."
It's not much, but it does help to show how even authority figures like Topham aren't always correct.
@@worthybutter2004 Definitely, that's was of negative with Sir Topham Hatt as a whole. Cranky Bugs and Percy Gets it Right were the only times he ever apologised.
I like this kind like idea, this would be a perfect of if there was a book about Ryan in the railway series, and I imagine this would be kinda like the Railway Series book of Movie
13:59
honestly thats what I was going for if I were to create my own take of the film
You can clearly blame Andrew Brenner for this Thomas vs Gordon scenario. It says on a page on DeviantArt by CrovanWorks he has some animosity for Gordon and wants us to believe he was at fault for Thomas' accident with the express coaches and when STH is telling off Thomas Gordon gives a smug smirk which emphasizes Brenner's attempt to convince us that Gordon is in the wrong and Thomas is in the right, when that is obviously not true. Thomas was being silly by making Gordon late and pushing his coaches out across the station points through a red signal and derailing them. It's just Brenner's way of showcasing Thomas as the main character being the innocent victim and Gordon as the antagonist when it's clearly the other way around. So in reality it's really Thomas' fault here, not Gordon's.
That’s his theory. It hasn’t been confirmed that Brenner hates Gordon and enjoys antagonising him.
@@joshuaW5621Well yes your right and that may be true but I'm only going by with what I read on CrovanWorks' post. It could be just his opinion or, like you said, it can't really be certain Gordon is hated by Brenner.
For my ideal Visiting big engine who instigated Ryan: She is a newly built LMS rebuilt patriot in a midland red livery and her name is Erika. Also she is sorta the inspiration for the Unknown Warrior.
Edit: I don’t know why I inserted my OC here but I just have a lot of ideas.
Nah nah it can work actually
Appreciated. Unrelated but where did you find the Thomas style Cipher theme?
@@FictionalADDONmusic is in the description
Thanks for that and if I wanted to continue with Erika’s character, I would make her a protagonist in The Great Race to give us a different side to her than being an arrogant snob.
That I can agree for a long time
12:53 WHAT DO YOU MEAN Thomas in at his full on classic Thomas mode cheeky and rude
Did you forget his maturity arc?
@@ScorchZane no I know his maturity arc. But I'm going to assume that since it was the 70th anniversary special. They want to make Thomas more cheeky. Like he was with the railway series
@@ScorchZanetbf there isn’t anything wrong with Thomas still being cheeky years after the classic era. He does still act cheeky from time to time.
@@joshuaW5621 that’s your opinion
@@ScorchZaneand I respect your opinion.
You obviously got a Point there, Like I think these Gordon and Topham Haters/Thomas Defenders are just such Idiots, They think it was Gordon’s Fault and not Thomas, Not to Mention an alternative verison was Called Thomas Leaves Sodor, which is Made by Jarrodo Priteo and he also has a DeviantArt Account called FavoriteArtMan, which he deactivated all long time ago I Believe, And when I enter the Story of it, It literally has a Scene of Gordon and Sir Topham Hatt Apologizing to Thomas, I really can’t blame Andrew Brenner for this, Because it’s really all Thomas’s Fault because of his Personality is basically Cheeky and Arrogant in The Railway Series and the Television Series, That’s all I have to say!
But he had a maturity arc in the classic series! The fact that this is so damn inconsistent with his character just frustrates me.
@@worthybutter2004 True
@@worthybutter2004so I agree that it won’t be canon to me
@@worthybutter2004the show has always gone back and forth on his maturity arc tbf.
Question what are the names of the songs in this video
Check the description
@@ScorchZane ok
that is true
Well the video will be premiered when i sleeping womp womp
I never liked this film because of how both The Fat Controller and Thomas were characterised, coming off of Tale of the Brave where they both were mature enough to get on with what they’d do with themselves. I would have been a lot less bitter towards it if the conflict was between James and The Fat Controller and they’d both be butting heads, with James’ reasoning for starting it being because of him being sick of seeing the engines being blamed for accidents that would be out of their control, and The Fat Controller’s reactions to the accidents caused being the same as before and it coming to a boiling point the third time it happens as James would shout back at him, pointing out everything that’s wrong with him and unintentionally bringing his size into it and insulting him in the process.
For me, it never really felt right to have the conflict be about Thomas learning to own up to his mistakes because Tale of the Brave already acknowledged his development in being mature while it showed James letting his ego get the better of him. They could have still done the treasure plot-line with Thomas and have the same story beats, but include James in it to take advantage of it and prove to The Fat Controller that he’s more than someone who whinges. Hell maybe even include Percy in it to add more to him proving how brave he is.
all right i still wonder a way to contact with andrew brenner about well i'll be honest i mention 3 thing with you but i want to say to him about the idea of thomas causing trouble and lying saying that it not his fault well topham well let me explain about topham he sents thomas to the new branchlie to teach thomas a lesson but it's a bad idea? well i also need to know if topham knew that thomas did found the ship and also that the bad coal cause to lose dynamite well i guess it did talk to ryan and i wanna guess if the ship descovery was thomas why in the film is not mention after thomas said sorry at topham for what he did all the time did topham knew something about the ship descovery or not? just awnser
Nobody was in the express Coaches?
railway stuff who are spread out in the yard: am I a joke to you?
I dont have any strong hatred to gordon im just annoyed when he (and every other engine) teases someone else
*construction site
Somehow i wight that thomas gets send away or get sracp either ryan or sailor John the movie, or is it just me:[
Thomas was wrong in this movie I actually agree with u people are taking stuff to far
the only 2 thing
1. thomas in the dynamite scene: i feel that you can't blame thomas for letting ryan the bad coal because is like blaming henry's driver for letting henry crash in the flying kipper when we all know that ice and snow cause the accident and the same thing with this scene thomas was say "really not my fault" meaning that he was telling the true that the bad coal cause this but topham it's just to angry for the 3th time thomas said that.
2. is there any episode that topham realises that thomas actually found the ship that i missed?
if there is something that i was wrong in the first thing just tell me
1. Glad we can come to an understanding
2. I don’t think so
@@ScorchZane i still wondering why topham thought that thomas did not found the ship if both thomas and the ship are inside the pit when topham arrived with emily and rocky
well frustration can blind one's view to see or to know the details
@@ScorchZane i forgot 1 more thing
why after thomas fall into the pit and after send to be reapair why they didn't clean him?
@@juanserena3221 simple they were in a rush
Please bring back your AU engines
Honestly, I don’t really care about that whole argument anymore, I’ll be honest with you, the CGI series it’s not my thing, I would rather go with the models and the railway
I agree they’re kinda better than CGI ngl
@@ScorchZane CGI did some things way better than models like more focus on Thomas and Edward's friendship, Annie, Clarabel, Henrietta and Toad getting more focus on their characters and adapting Small Railway Engines that would've been impossible with models so Thomas looks great in CGI style.
@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 still didn’t help most of it sucked tho, otherwise I somewhat agree to some extent
@@ScorchZane tbh i consider seasons 1-3 the only great model seasons as for me while seasons 4-5 where good they where mid
@@chavopatyfanstudios2005 only good thing abotut S4-5 is the crashes
I just hope that you make your Timothy video sooner or later you maybe think way I vote for the side tank locomotive 🚂 in the first place about 78% it’s because I don’t think that a saddle tank engine or tender engine like I like the black and purple linking on him looks cool I don’t think that’s bad like you give him 8 wheels like a small one and plus I used to grew up on Thomas as a kid but now I’m adult now like I growing matured well I watch some anime like dbz. Mha anime games and the list goes on I hope you like my opinion scorch Zane
tbh I can’t wait to work on it
Look, the videos I did were to not to be taken seriously. This arguing needs to stop. SLOTLT Fans and Haters have been fighting for plenty of years, they need to handle what they praise or not to themselves. Like, I know I’m a SLOTLT Hater, but the videos are not to be taken seriously to SLOTLT fans. They need to quit arguing about what fans and haters think of the film. But they keep on bashing on each other. To tell you this, I’m not doing SLOTLT content anymore. I’m doing other stuff. (I’m not being rude, but I can’t stand fights. Do you know what I mean?)
if they are to stop, so would the people who slander Gordon, and it’s kind hard not to especially when they are full of hatred just because a big usages called a small tanker a “silly little engine”.
(perhaps it’s better you don’t make those videos if you’re gonna slander Gordon).
@@ScorchZane I'm not doing SLOTLT content anymore. Remember? Why would I continue ever since June 2023?
@@ScorchZane Simple question: Is that constructive criticism?
@@colinlayton9114 up to you
@@ScorchZane What I'm gonna do is set my SLOTLT vids private. I'm doing this because I don't want to get in trouble with SLOTLT Fans.
Honestly the sodor lost treasure isn’t canon anymore I want a rewrite. And classic era s1-5 stayed true to the RWS
S5 not so much.
@@joshuaW5621 just my opinion
@@IronSteelRailroader I’m not against season 5, I’m just saying it wasn’t really that respectful to Awdry’s vision of Thomas, especially with episodes like Rusty and the Boulder.
Okay, I'm only 2:30 seconds in, and their are 2 MAJOR issues with this video:
1. I'm sorry, but I've NEVER seen anyone blame Gordon solely for Thomas's crash at the beginning of the film.
2. WTF are you on about by saying Thomas's plotted the crash BEFORE Gordon's insult?
Thomas's only plotted it AFTER Gordon insulted him.
Furthermore, NO. Thomas never intended to crash the coaches and hurt people. His only intent was annoy Gordon a little by keeping the coaches away from him.
He NEVER intended any of what happened when it happened.
We're we even watching the same movie???
4:35 OKAY 3rd issue now:
How was Thomas supposed to know about the dynamite incident beforehand?
Tell me. DO YOU THINK THOMAS IS PSYCHIC OR SOMETHING???
Also, Thomas not telling Ryan about the bad coal makes sense, considering how, up to this point, Ryan portrays everything Thomas wished he could be at that moment.
He probably still felt depressed at that time, and probably wasn't thinking about warning Ryan about the coal, till it was too late.
Now to address you, given your statement a few things.
1. Going in your point of how you see no one blaming Gordon either mean two things, 1 either you didn’t see videos where Gordon the one being punished (despite he only barked not bite and i guess what they are called SLOTLT haters are just among fanfics to punish Gordon and Topeka Hatt) or you’re haven’t even bother to search up terms like “Gordon gets in trouble SLOTLT” or even “Topham scolds Gordon”.
2. Ok where did I say that Thomas intended or plotted for it. How did I say he intended to do it, just because he did it trying to flip off Gordon, doesn’t mean he didn’t do it and I can’t shit on him for doing it or his later actions that can cause serious injury.💀
3. Thomas should’ve known that dynamite was being used, he’s in a fucking construction area. Knew or not that didn’t stop him from nearly endangering Ryan.
4. Really we’re going with the “he’s doing it out depression route”? That’s the excuse? Well depress people don’t do shit like what Thomas does, at least then at the end of the film he held himself accountable and telling Topham he was sorry, showing he has remorse in him. To say he’s depress to justify his actions, is just disgusting.