I remember back in the day when I was a wee kid watching a recording of a puff daddy performance and being so taken aback by how glamorous and grand the whole thing was. Later in my teens same thing with Bruno Mars, he just has this thing about him that separates the stars from the mere singers. He's not physically attractive but man does he have a presence about him.
Women literally have to do it all. Sing/rap while looking great; dance and some do while performing while they are visibly pregnant. Som guys look like they roll out bed; hopefully brush their teeth and walk back and forth across the stage . I am Not talking artist like Usher, CB, or Bruno Mars cuz they bring it.
Honestly I think it’s more so about the artist’s audience and what that demographic demands/expects. Which is why (even tho I see the issue she’s bringing up for the point) I don’t rlly agree with it. As the ppl she listed that have to “do it all” (including ppl like MJ, Usher, JB, Taylor, Nicki, Megan) all have predominantly women audiences, meaning women (or anyone with stereotypically adjacent interest) are setting that requirement. VS. say guys in rap who (like she listed) don’t “have to do that”. Example: Travis Scott and Carti are considered (by guys) to be great performers. Even tho on a surface lvl they’re just jumping, screaming and occasionally climbing shit😂 couple that w a hype man and it’s a simple as-Getting the crowd hyped, especially based on the sub genre of rap. Srry for the paragraph, my bad
As a Kpop stan, I realize how much I was spoiled when it comes to performance cause there was no Kpop concert where I was bored while the celeb just walked back an forth and doing the bare minimum. When it comes to tours and concerts Kpop goes HARD. Huge performances, tons of back up dancers, crazy choreography, great stage probs, fireworks, VCRs ect. There's never a dull moment. You can hate kpop, you can love it or just not interested in it but you can't deny Kpop always slays when it comes to performance.
@@egielynabunda7888 watch some of the kpop documentaries of certain groups, they train in vocals but some groups are just better than singing than others. Also some companies get lazy and stop training their idols in vocals after they get a certain level of success.
Tyler the Creator is another really great example for the hip hop men. Not only does he dance in his performances, have costume changes sometimes between his album characters, and have amazing stage presence, but just with him being a producer too, he’ll play alternative intros for some of his songs too. His crowd engagement is also really amazing (and funny as hell a lot of the time 😂) Tyler is for sure up there with the best of the current rappers as far as putting on a show, especially when he headlines.
Absolutely! I saw him on the call me if you get lost tour in 2022 and it was A PRODUCTION the set, the crowd work, the dancing, everything was on point, it was the 2nd best concert I’ve been to after Beyoncé’s renaissance world tour
@24kgoldplatedvermeil i dont know what you mean by "charismatic voice"? She does have a very low pitched voice wich i think is unique and special for a female artist. If Dua is singing, you KNOW it's her. But I guess if her voice doesn't do it for it's a question about personal taste.
@24kgoldplatedvermeil Her stage production maybe, the production on her songs - Not even. She should find better producers. Take for instance Mark Ronson, he did a very good song for her - Dance the night. And yes, Future Nostalgia did sell very well.. but because the listeners had mostly never experienced 70s, 80s and 90s music. You can find many old songs with more interesting elements and 'meat' than on Future Nostalgia. IMO the album has bland or very repetitive production. And yes, even though I like the girl herself, her tone is not that special. Her being an alto is pleasant to the ears though and she has good voice control. She was better off on her first album, where there was more space for the voice to shine. Be The One is an impressive and moving song, to me. I will always enjoy it.
Kendrick Lamar should also be mentioned in this conversation. His performances are art. He made such tremendous improvements in a short time. If you compare his early performances from around 2013, to his 2016 Grammy performance you can see how much he developed. His 2016 Grammy performance is easily one of my favorite Grammy performances of all time tbh.
I'm not sure about this one. I've been to 2 concerts of him on festivals last year (it's a coincidence though) and although the music was bopping he ain't did a sh+t on that stage - he just walked around from left to right. Except for 1 song where there were 3 dancers
@@results_not_found I agree that Kendrick’s festival performances are lacking sometimes, but his high profile performances like Grammy, MTV, SNL etc always deliver. He’s not a classic performer that dances a lot or has elaborate stages, but his performances really shine when he tells a story with them. Kendrick is a phenomenal lyricists first and foremost, and those high profile performances he really puts effort into showcase just that. He’s excellent at conveying a message and immersing you into the story like you’re watching a movie.
One other artist who I would include as a performer recently was Sza on her SOS Tour where she so many theatrics and whether ppl think she cant sing or not she still had that mic on and gave costume changes, choreography, theatrics etc and is truly a hardworker of her craft regardless of how long she takes to drop music (which isnt in her control most if the time) she is undeniably a performer!
Yes, I saw SZA on her SOS tour and I was pleasantly surprised. I know she got a bad rap for some performances when she didn’t sound great she was being roasted for it. So I was nervous to see her, but she was amazing!!!
I love that somebody is praising sza bc she’s ALWAYS been a great performer . I’ve been a fan since 2017 & I’ve followed her live performances for 7 years so I would know . people took a 10 second clip of her sounding “bad” & then labeled her as a bad singer/performer . that’s why I was pissed when everybody was going to see her on the SOS tour cuz bitch wasn’t you making fun of her on Twitter 5 years ago ? lmao .
@paradisepressJA Writing songs doesn’t make an artist great. Look at Ice Spice for exemple. When we say that SZA “can’t sing” it’s just about her not being a vocalist because y’all give her too much credits when it’s not due. Yes, she writes her songs but they are not great and they talk about the same things over and over again.
Best concerts I've been to have been BTS and Beyonce. Every penny I've spent was always worth it because you could see the amount of dedication into their art. And there's nothing more I love to see than a passionate artist on stage...it elevates the entire performance. To me they're the bar. And considering how expensive concert tickets are these days, some artists need to step it up.
Out of the male performers I’ve seen in the past couple of years, The Weeknd and Harry Styles put on some good shows. Harry Styles had huge energy, engaged the crowd, and played the guitar while The Weeknd used both visuals and vocals to produce an unforgettable show.
One mistake that I’ve made in the past as a Beyoncé Stan, was comparing people to her style of performing…also because she’s the Bar. BUT I’ve learned to value the different styles of performers. Especially because lately, I’ve been feeling like people don’t ALWAYS have to perform the same way and can still be good. I think that’s why, even rappers, they’re entertaining to people, because there are different styles of performing.
very true. but at the same time, there’s different styles of performing and then there’s not performing at all and unfortunately the latter is the case with most mainstream artists these days.
@@SideEyeee_ I meant currently…you can’t deny the influence of Beyonce in other artists’ performances. BUT as of overall…yes, you’re right…Michael IS the bar.
@@SideEyeee_ incorrect. you can keep saying it but it will never be true. she inspires and gives credit where it’s die, a couple of dresses and one shots are not evidence of “thievery”
@@SideEyeee_ incorrect, she is mot a thief. she gives credit where it’s due it sticks in her own lane for the most part, introducing new concepts to the mainstream.
Love the classic footage. You really explained the bridge of change in the music industry when it comes to music performance. If you pay big bucks you should get a big performance. It doesn’t have to be all about dance but give it your all. Whitney Houston didn’t have to dance her butt off because she sanggggg! Her voice and emotion and costumes were enough. Some sing and have to dance to present and that’s great. But there has to be emotion and energy. Half stepping deserves half pricing.
I saw Lil Nas X last year and he was amazing! It was a proper pop performance, full stage show with backup dancers and multiple costume changes, but that mic was ON!
@results_not_found It was a festival for me too. Usually in Australia we don't always get the full stage show so I was very grateful he made the effort to fly all that over.
Loved Offset‘s performance for real. It’s a good example of how you can be a rapper, have a chill and laid back persona (which is pretty usual for rappers) but still kill a performance and deliver.
People hate KPop, I was one, BUT they do perform and after I learned what they have to go through - dance and singing lessons, working out (singing while running on a treadmill), they do this for years before they "debut" to the public. I have new found respect for them. Yes BTS write and produce ALL their songs. Not sure about other Kpop. But ALL have to produce a show for their audience and just can't walk around.
@@lisa.222 American artists have the mindset of "You're lucky to see me" vs the Kpop and BTS are the opposite. They truly appreciate their fans and realize they are nothing without them and want to give them the best show/give back as much as they can.
Kpop idols have alot of times limited chances. Alot of them have limited creative freedom from their companies especially girlgroups. It is most of time the rappers of the group that have the freedom to write and produce. But then I have discovered AB6IX(not that popular) but their maknae(youngest) Daehwi has written and produced alot of songs. For sure there is others but Daehwi produces and writes some title tracks. That is not seen as much. Mostly it is the rappers. Their rapper Woojin does it as well but I will argue that Daehwi has done it more. The other 2 members have written some songs mostly their solos but still talented. Being an IDOL is mainly about visuals. Not just face bit performance. Kpop was influenced by the Pop and HipHop scene from tge 20th century, especially MJ. Still being influenced by newer artists from the west but still KPOP has their own sound. Ppl recognize it sometimes by the sound not just the language. It has become more Mainstream especially with BTS, BP, NewJeans, etc.. The main difference is the idol system. Their 2 main jobs are being performers and singers(rappers). I am someone, who mainly enjoys SM groups. Because of their songs. They have a group TVXQ which have lost 3 members but still with 2 members do well performing.
I used to dislike kpop because I hated the beats. Now I have a few kpop songs and artists I listen too. I listen to Japanese artists a bit more - Hikaru Utada, Psychic Fever, and ofc XG
So glad you mentioned doja cat. When I saw her in concert I was in complete awe. She’s an AMAZING performer. So fun and captivating. I cant even begin to explain how amazing she was.
I think when it comes to the men it's because there mostly rappers and there supposed to have this tuff hard image to uphold. So, they don't dance, and it can come off as boring. There's also not a lot of male pop stars out there anymore or boybands like there were in the 90s and 2000s. I agree things have gone downhill and social media has definitely changed things. Artist put more effort in to their music video for UA-cam more than live performance since the UA-cam video reaches a wider audience. Unique and interesting topic thank you.
Very true! It’s a double edge sword because some of their fans may judge them for dancing or say it’s not cool. So it does kind of depend on your audience and I get that, but I think as an artist with a big platform you should be somewhat of a developed performer.
you dont really have to dance. like travis scott doesnt dance but he gets really energetic and jumps around like a psycho for an hour and a half, it makes the crowd feel like they're getting their money's worth. or someone like j cole who just does the authentic rap performance of just rapping over the instrumental.
@@N4orEditori agree if you have high energy and bangers then they can not dance and still be entertaining but if they got mid or trash music like sweetie they got no choice but to dance.
I just want to shout out Panic! At The Disco, Brendan Urie clearly loves to perform and brings amazing showmanship to his shows. Singing, playing multiple instruments, doing literal backflips. I think his music also lends itself to this level of performance; I would argue most female artists write music with the vision of a performance in mind, where many male artists do not appear to do this.
Since I've started consuming K-pop I've been very tired of American pop. It feels lazy and without purpose. And I'm not saying this about every artist cause there's some good ones that really care about the craft and I also understand that in this day and age of algorithm and TikTokfication of things they don't have time or the support to grow as performers. Despite all that I'm tired of seeing good performances only when they feel it's a special occasion, the lack of consistency and lazyness became a problem and people don't wanna assume that because they can't accept that American artists are not the only fish in the pond anymore.
Facts! We’re not the standard or we shouldn’t always be. I feel like with K-pop. The whole idea is based around polished performance, artist development, image, etc. that is taking a huge backseat in the American pop market
See that was me a few years ago but I got bored with kpop bc I felt like yes they dance well, but there’s barely any live singing, there’s no room for being in the moment, no crowd work or hype. Every performance is the exact same down to the facial expressions and/or ad lib. I think I need a mixture of yes a certain level of polish but also spontaneous actions and crowd work to really hype up the crowd. Kpop performances are fun at first and then the sparkle fades and it’s a bit too robotic for me. Save for a few artists like bts, g-idle, mamamoo bigbang and CL.
@@chichilafemme6336 Yees I agree 💯 It's the Best of both worlds The quality and level of details and the charisma and that raw talent to really win a crowd that certain western artist have
And honestly, it’s not even just with K-pop. It’s across Asia on performances and fan interactions. And especially when you get out of the K-pop side of things (so other Asian countries pop/rock/indie music and even K-rock) where live performances are the standard. And when you’re paying for the ticket, it’s not just “I’m going to enjoy the show only.” No, there’s going to be Merch tables out where you can get merchandise and most shows have a VIP ticket option/tier system. So you are just only paying for where you are in the audience but also what you gain as a viewer. A lot of them have tiers that include things like sound check access with Q&A, exclusive song requests/performances, professional group and/or individual picture with the artist, 8-90sec chat, high-touch (high five or hug), signed posters, early access to the merch table pre-show, send off and/or arrival. And I believe this is because in these eastern cultures where they are community based and not individual based like the west is, they understand that these are transactional and that they wouldn’t be here without fans. Not to mention how they treat fan culture is completely different, with in person interactions, regular fan meet events both paid and free with brand and sponsors, some with top spender exclusive events with all day or multi-day activities (including dinners, boat rides, picnics, amusement parks, excursions, etc), fun game shows & interviews (most a lot of sit down and talk boring interviews like in the west), different ways on how they do IG lives, fan video call raffles, etc. So why should they not want to give back to the people who helped them get to where they are. But they also want to be seen as human and not this completely unattainable/unreachable idol. That’s very much why I don’t go to any western concerts or really watch music videos for them let alone care about their personal lives (Taylor Swift is my exception but I still have limits). Because I really can’t justify a $200-$500 ticket without the perks and fun extra experience. And compared to the east, where you truly feel apart of the show/fandom, it’s just not worth it to me.
I also think Justin Timberlake is a great performer and an overall good all-rounder. He used to be the main pop boy in the 2000s and for good reason. His dancing was genuinely impressive and he put on a cohesive show with backup dancers. Though his vocals are not groundbreaking, he has a unique timbre and falsetto that distinguished him from his peers. He hardly ever lip-syncs and usually sounds stable even during dancing. He also plays piano and guitar, which he uses during his slower songs. All these different elements he incorporates into his performances make for versatile and entertaining concerts.
Luther Vandross didn’t dance but he was a performer! He had charm, personality, talent, passion, perfectionism, vocals, and connections to both his music and the audience. He was simply captivating.
I real live didn’t know Offset had a performing arts background. Now it makes so much sense with his presence along with him being in movies and tv shows.
Saw anderson paak live back in 2018, best money i ever spent, cant say the same when i saw lauryn Hill 😭😭😭 but you are absolutely right for the majority of artists. Also id love to see ciara live
I saw Kendrick Lamar in concert in 2022 with my boyfriend and never listened to him before and I can say he put on a performance one of my favorite concerts. He played piano, Ventriloquistism and had dancers and I was really pleasantly surprised !!
Thank you! I been saying this for years, most men don’t give shit, it’s boring to watch them. As a performer myself I care about what I’m giving to the crowd. I always have the best shows and energy no matter what the size of a room is.
Kendrick's performances are always on 10. Whether its set design, the clarity in his voice, special guests, or his contained yet tight choreo... I can't agree that he just "comes as he is"
Mariah danced in her performances to her upbeat songs in the 90's and early 2000's. My favorite performers in regards to dancing and movement are Beyoncé, P!nk, Ariana Grande, Usher, Britney Spears, Victoria Monét, Kehlani, Chloë and Halle, Meg Thee Stallion and Latto and in regards to vocals and stage presence are Mariah, Carrie Underwood and Kelsea Ballerini (country singers), Taylor Swift, Kelly Clarkson and Christina Aguilera
My husband and I shoot music videos on the west coast. When I am directing, it can be like pulling teeth can get decent performances out of artists, sometimes. Our job is to make sure that we capture their best representation and energy that they want to convey. Many artists were not trained at all, so they have no stagecraft. They don’t even know their angles, or how to make eye contact. I feel old sometimes explaining this stuff to someone who is struggling, but it is so worth it when they finally understand that PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU! Even if you have a whole circus going off around you, people are still there to see YOU, dammit. Great topic! So true about Micheal Jackson.👍🏾
I feel like current artists arent encouraged to have great performances. There are just too many festivals, concerts, tours and appearances. All of the best performers of this generation are by artist that are scarcely performing (except for Frank Ocean but I heard thats because he was still dealing with the death of a family member around his Coachella performance). And rappers have never really been into the theatrical performance elements. They just grab the mic but because rap is so oversaturated... they dont really hit like rapper in the past. Back in the day, rappers used to freestyle, improvise on the spot, add different elemnts to their musical performance. Rappers used to change up the instrumental, incorporate live bands, have dancers, bring out rnb artist. So many things have changed in music and entertainment as a whole. its like black movies from the 90's. They would have everybody and anybody making cameos in random movies but now they dotn collaborate as much. We need more collaboration. Love the video!
Thats a really interesting perspective! I also think artist development is heavily lacking snd good performances aren’t an expectation anymore …not from fans, and not from labels really either. So i see why it’s become so prevalent. However, im hoping this drought is over soon. We got ppl like Victoria monet, Chloe, and tyla (to name a few) who are super polished and you can tell loves what they do.
You really said it all. Thank You! I've been SO frustrated with some of these massive artists that are missing crucial skills. For YEARS I've been wondering why some of these men have terrible stage presence and are playing arenas, large venues. AND some of these artists get millions of streams on songs that offer little musicality, poor vocals, and BAD lyrics. I just don't understand. I can think of dozens of underappreciated artists with MULTIPLE SKILLS/TALENTS in each genre that I'd rather see live. I'm glad you made this video on performance because hopefully, it will make a few people rethink the artists they support and why.
that's why I like little simz; she's a British rapper who just comes as she is. nothing revealing or too sexual. but she's also has great charisma when performing.
I started becoming a fan of MJ when I started middle school 2016-2017. Might I say that, especially during that era of music, no artists (aside from Beyoncé, of course) did not impress even one bit so I literally didn’t understand the hype around the mainstream music that was going viral because most of them didn’t care about performance. I genuinely thought that I lived in an era were performances were going to die out. Then I discovered BTS (always in 2017), watched their music videos, their dance practice videos and then their performances and I started becoming hopeful again; but then I look deeper into the Kpop industry and saw that what BTS did was simply a norm and an expectation, for both girl groups and boy groups. If you ever want to see a random artist you don’t know, I assure you that 90% of the times the safest option is to pick a Kpop group ‘cause they know how to put up a show.
Lucky Daye was a very memorable performance for me! He had good stage presence and clearly it was choreographed to highlight his vocal ability and attitude. I think a lot of men think because they’re not dancers they can’t perform in a big way, but that’s not true.
And like yeah you have amazing music so walking back and forth on stage doesn’t matter but like WHEN YOU DANCE, HAVE COOL COSTUMES, ETC. ITS JUST BETTER.. like performance’s are what make people want to dance with you and make them get the chills and stuff like that and I love artists that make you feel that way. And no NOT IN A PLAYBOY CARTI CHILLS TYPE WAY😭 Beyoncé chills type way the poses on each beat makes you want to get up and do it💀
I agree Sometimes a good performances will have you likeing songs you Initially didn't like. I didn't like beyonce renaissance album until i saw the performances of them same happened with doechii song crazy and persuasive.
Whether you have pyrotechnics and tons of choreography or it simple...its about the energy. One of the best performances I saw was WuTang (guest starring Redman) and brought so much energy and showmanship. These new dudes act like they're too cool to be excited.
Madonna and her blonde ambition tour truly revolutionizes how a pop concert could be done. And the impact goes on even at today's level, in seemingly every single female artist. The problem with male artists though, I think, is heavily due to the decline of male musicians doing pop music. There are equivalent blueprints laying there for male pop stars, MJ/Prince/Freddie, just to name a few. And back when men felt that it was OK to do boppy/vibrant pop music, the influence was still clear to be seen. There were Usher, Bruno Mars, Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, Justin Timberlake/Bieber(the latter three are, imo, mediocre but at least they put in some efforts performing). But nowadays, the male musicians seem to distant themselves even further from the pop girlies, as if doing the traditional pop music is embarrassing and too feminine. They either go with a completely acoustic sad boy guitar-playing style, or the walking around rapping with loud background tracks mode. I don't know if the big labels behind are responsible, maybe it's less costly to produce male artists in this way so they can earn more quick money. My parents bought me DVD of Janet's Velvet Rope Tour when I was a kid, and I watched that concert for like 100 times. There was no high tech LED screen, no super expensive props, no insane design of stage. But even today I found that concert much more amusing than a lot of concerts by some big name artists now. However, I am very happy to see a many less mega-mainstream artists putting in efforts like their life depends on it. Just to name a few, Rina Sawayama, Charli XCX, Kim Petras, Chappell Roan. They don't have the arena-tour budget but their shows are vibrant, entertaining, energetic, and creative. I highly recommend you check out their tour sometimes.
might be a bit biased but ed sheeren is a great performer, he is currently on his mathematics tour and he is the only one on stage with a guitar and a pedal, he has a turning stage an he invests in making a great show for his fans, look it up to see what im talking about it is amazing im seeing him in august
Absolutely agree, and as an exception to what you said there is also Justin Timberlake who's performances has been top tier for decades now. It's also more obvious at this moment, cause we haven't seen him for a while and now when you see the production, live music, dances, stage presence and the voice...well, it's a striking difference.
If you got the vocals but you’re not a great performer physically(dancing) you need to bring the theatrics. My favorite example to use is the Brandy and Monica VMA performance of the boy is mine, the girls aren’t dancing but the dancers are and there’s a story happening on stage while they sing that makes it worth it.
Yes, I feel like there needs to be a balance or offseting it. Especially these days, we pay too much money for these artist to be this lazy and not give us anything
summer walker is an artist who had massive performance growth over the past couple years, esp having social anxiety she managed to put on such a good show @ rolling loud 24 thanks to teanna taylor
Rap and hip hop have sadly become low-effort genres and people have been allowing people with zero talent or creativity to invade this space much to its detriment. It's not just performance, it's the production, the lyricism... It's truly a sad state.
I definitely think a good thing with someone like Adele is she gives you the vocal performances and the raw emotion you need for that kind of concert, but the way she chats to the audience in between songs. She's not a showgirl performer in the sense of flips and tricks and dancemoves galore, but vocally she excells, and her chatting away in between (I assume) is different per show, depending on what she's seen or done in the day.
Amen. Finally someone speaking on this the laziness in rap concerts, they plug in the aux cord has been normalized. Kanye did the vultures performance straight up non Apologetic aux cord vibes
Camryn also consider the y the audience is going to the show, most want to record and post to their Instagram and tiktok for a certain catchy part of the song. IE Steve Lacy’s tour. The music business is only going to get away with what the audience will let them. And the audience is sometimes to caught up trying to be star also with the lives & posting on socials
Glad I found your channel. I have been saying this to my nieces and nephew for a few years. Performs today are trash. Yes the females work harder than the males, but they aren’t putting in the work that they did 20 years ago either. For example, Janet Jackson’s work ethic, Madonnas work ethic, Beyoncé, Britney, Jennifer Lopez. No current or new female is putting in the work they did. So they don’t even deserve superstar status. They may make a good song here and there but they aren’t creating eras, they aren’t changing culture with fashion like Janet did with her 1814 earrings, or madonnas bracelets, Britney’s low rise jeans and belly button ring, Jennifer Lopez’s green dress. If anything they steal from the women of the past, and don’t create anything new. Hell even Bjork had memorable looks. Dolly Parton is currently making headlines for her looks, why aren’t the new crop doing anything? Basic. Lazy. Boring.
Yes, to be honest I feel like everything is lacking from the guy performers to the female performers. I definitely talked about this. A little bit in my pop is dead video. The superstar is not super starring anymore.😭 and it shows in every aspect of entertainment, like performances, music, making, etc.
@@CamrynSuzanne Yes and I hate every bit of it. I had high hopes for Dua Lipa but I think she has made some bad missteps recently. Mainly she became too oversaturated on social media. A superstar needs mystery, they need to be everywhere but not really accessible. A superstar is Gucci, not George from Walmart. You should be able to look, but never be able to feel that you can actually gain access to it. Superstardom is aspirational and there aren't that many people out there doing aspirational things right now because they don't have the work ethic like they used to. Was it unfortunate that Joe Jackson beat that work ethic into the Jackson children, sure. Did it create greatness? Also, yes. Did the death of Madonna's mother fuel her search for love and world domination? Yes. Did Dolly Parton's dirt poor upbringing make her hungry for success? Yep. Beyonce's father would also be considered abusive today making a group of young girls dance in high heels on a stage he built in his backyard while singing. But where would those girls be now? Beyonce's work ethic is insane because of him. Don't even get me started on Jennifer Lopez. That woman is a friggin' machine. She should be an inspiration to all women, men, and children for the amount of things she can do. 54 years old and still dances amazingly, still has drive to be not just ok or good, but GREAT. She may not be the best at everything, but it's the drive and the effort that is just so damn inspiring.
@@LifeAfterLosing- if there's one thing that K-pop has shown us, it's that work ethic & showmanship don't have to be things of the past. It's true that the K-pop system can often be abusive also, but it's interesting that BTS have risen to such heights precisely because they were treated so differently from the rest of the industry.
I think it’s worth noting that we’re entering an era where the roles are becoming reversed where women are dominating and men aren’t really seen as valuable or favorable as far as music goes, especially among the black community. Not to say the misogyny and sexism towards women is gone but it’s slowly shifting. So because of that, nobody is typically checking for male artists and performers anymore which is sad because we’re going through a small renaissance where the great male performers are showing up again. Of course, our legends like Usher, Miguel, Justin Timberlake, The Weeknd and Chris Brown are having a resurgence and Justin Bieber is expected to come back soon but there are new male artists too like Jungkook, Tone Stith, No Lonely Hearts & No Guidnce bringing back boybands and then you have Josh Levi who’s now being seen as the defacto new black pop IT boy, he’s basically the male Normani which is ironic given the two are childhood best friends. At the very least, he is slowly blowing up with Birthday Dance being a viral hit and the music video being praised for bringing back dancing among men again. But still, no one is really checking for the guys no more.
Y’all need to give BTS a chance. Yes they’re kpop but they’re authentic and always going above and beyond for their fans. They know how to put on a show no one will forget!
first concert I went to was a smino concert, tickets were like 60 or 80 dollars and let me say he brought it, he had his band with him who all did amazing, he hit every beat he rapped he sang like his life depended on it, performed songs from all of his albums. He electrified that stage, but this is rare for male performers to do, as they have far less expectation on them.
more bands need love XD mother mother is one of the best live performers i've ever seen they're all in they LOVE music, the more an artist loves music the better the show
Most of them don’t do it because they can’t … people are shocked by what they don’t expect and let’s be honest most of these artists are not creative in that way … sometime it takes the artist to come up with these concepts some of them even have to pay for it
I am not into the pop scene or rap scene. I am into the metal and alternative. Even there is an issue but I remember how fun the 21 pilots concert and the bring me the horizon concerts were when I saw them. I also know they have been innovating to improve. I think it would be cool to see you look into that and compare
The Lox shed light on this in their Versus Battle against The Diplomats. I thought with how big that moment was that we were in the clear but I was sadly mistaken. It's gotten so much worse.
You're right, I've been to all types of different genres of shows/festivals and when I compare and contrast the women I've seen versus the men I've seen, men really can get away with the bare minimum stage performances. I've seen some cool stuff from men at shows but when I think about stage production, costumes, dancers, choreography, etc. the women DELIVER. Jhené Aiko didn't do a lot on stage when I saw her in 2018 but she brought presence, her talent and looked amazing! (I think she was pregnant though so probably why she wasn't moving too much??) It was a great time. The crowd was standing the whole time and engaged. Melanie Martinez did the MOST at her show last summer, I loved it so much. I feel like it if she didn't do all that her fans might have given her backlash/disappointment because SO MANY people were dressed up and in cosplays, but I never really thought about that possibility until this video because I expected the extra from her. Same with Ashnikko. Thank you for your take on this!
Honestly it's The Genre Men, Women and NonBinary artist perform their butt off in Rock and other Genres Rap is all about the hype the look the money. But the girls didn't get it together until Teyanna Taylor got them together. Only Doja and Meg were giving us a SHOW.
I also feel like Nicki Minaj isn’t a great dancer she’s a good performer though especially in the early 2000s the theatrics the volatile changes I hope she goes back to that same level of performance
Metal head here. All the metal shows I have been too have been ultra fun with lots of energy. Male or female usually put their all into the music. That being said, could it be a genre thing as well? I went to see Pitbull and it was like a giant club and was hella fun but everyone was dancing not really paying attention to the performance. I think people/artists may just assume since lofi pop or hip hop artists might not need the same production budget as there is not much to recreate live or maybe just lazy? Just giving my 2 cents. Love the videos!
Great video! I agree so much with your perspective. I just want to add that a live band is also a great element to give your audience a captivating show if you're not the best dancer/entertainer. A band breathes new life into a song but most rappers just stick with the same tired track. No added sound effects or anything!
" We can dance if we want to. We can leave your friends behind 'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance. Well, they're no friends of mine.."
The problem is not "men"; its contemporary rappers. Prince and MJ out performed EVERYBODY, men women, pets, etc. The music business has changed a lot. You really can't compare pop artists with rappers. Rappers portray stage machismo in which singing = feminine unless its 50 Cent-style singing where you really aren't singing. Your generation may lack performers but its because your generation's music is mostly female pop singers and rappers. If you go back to an era where black people were in BANDS, everybody was about performing, musicianship and quality. Go back and look at live performances by Zapp, Lakeside, Cameo, Earth Wind and Fire, and so many others and you will see fire performances. Even the 90s boy bands had to step and sing Temptations style in order to be successful. It is not a feminist issue as it seems the tone of this commentary is leaning, but rather a marketing issue. I can give you a simple answer to "why" and its MONEY. The accountants, data analysts and lawyers are deep in the music industry. They have determined by algorithm what sells and what doesn't and that is what gets the most money thrown at it. For women, its pretty pop singers. Aside from Lizzo, its almost a must that a woman be attractive to be successful in the music biz this did not used to be the case at all but the algorithm has spoken because people have spoken. For every Bryson Tiller, Miguel, John Legend, Anderson Paak,Chris Brown, etc., there are 50 rappers that all just walk across the stage because they think performing is feminine and to keep it real, they probably CAN'T do anything else, but your generation supports them. My gen had plenty of performers and most of the time, the men were better performers. The 80s brought the dance funk, the 90s had new jack swing and if you couldn't dance and sing fast songs at the same time, you were a joke. R&B didn't used to be synonymous with slow songs. The industry stood on rap and shook R&B out of the tree. With it went musicality and performance. Even the rappers back in the day had to perform. (Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Kool Moe Dee, Public Enemy, Heavy D, etc.) Now? Not so much. You want better artists? Demand better artists. Support performers and you'll get performers; otherwise, its gonna be the same old same old.
Gurl it’s always those underappreciated artists who always give amazing Performance. Not Bare minimum but really perform. I discovered Noah Kahan years ago. He wasn’t as big popular in the mainstream media as other artists. And even now that he’s getting the recognition he deserved, he never slack one bit.
So far ive seen Celine Dion, Barbara Streisand, Mariah Carey x2 but the best performance ive seen was the trilogy tour Enrique Iglesias Ricky Martin & Pitbull i have to tell you they knew how to put on a friggen show!! They care for their craft & it shows. Did 20k steps that day from all the dancing lmao
While I get that a lot of expectations are placed on female performers, I think it's primarily from their fans. For example, not much was even mention about the good male performers such as The Weeknd, Harry Styles, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, Kendrick, Travis Scott's visual theme concerts, Playboi Carti etc. Also I think artists are expected to be a representation of themselves when performing, so female rappers have to maintain the music video choreography and visuals. Because male rappers present as nonchalant, it allows them to get away with not doing all that because their fanbase doesn't expect it. But that doesn't excuse lackluster performance filled with low energy, lip-syncing and disconnection from the audience. And rappers have been getting called out for it now I also think realistically, people like Post Malone and J Cole always look modest, so that's their image as an artist and it's expected to perform as that. It'd be weird to expect J Cole to now have choreography when all he does in his music videos is rap
People can hate on kpop as much as they want but there is absolutely no denying groups like Ateez bring a whole production to their concerts and it’s so good to see!! While not every artist NEEDS to bring singing AND dancing to the table, it definitely is something different. I would also love to see ones like Bruno Mars, Sabrina Carpenter, Lana Del Rey, Flo, Ciara, etc live. I bet they can put on an amazing show.
I think you missed a very glaring example…Lil Nas X! He’s leading the way in terms of putting on a show and being a true performer, especially as not only a rapper but a performer who kind of transcends genre! On top of that, he’s a gay man, which connects to your point about the girls and gays being more tuned in to this kind of thing! Not only do I think LNX is breaking gender rules and stereotypes as a man in his aesthetic but he’s breaking down barriers for other male rappers to not shy away from dipping their toes into elevating their performance game. Though offset did it before, it wasn’t too long after at all that LNX came through SWINGING!
I like the points made but felt like the topic should’ve been more narrowed to the genres being criticised. If we’re criticising male performers, the percentage actually decreases because a number of male artists in indie, rock music, R&B, afrobeats, and amapiano bring their stage presence and invest in their craft on stage. There are pop stars like Taylor Swift & Dua Lipa, who had to improve stage presence to make her pop out as an artist whose vocals aren’t (respectfully) the star of the show. It’s also why a lot of bands will be familiar with fans because of a frontman or member’s stage performance. On a bigger level, it comes down to the intentions and the team of the performer.
i think the only men I've paid to see ((besides like rock bands)) have been kpop shows 😂 absolutely worth the money, they perform their asses off. SHINee and VIXX have insane energy onstage
Dua Lipa, so far, has been the best advocate for doing your best and upgrading yourself for people that love you, A.K.A. fans. The fact that she went from being our typical pencil sharpener icon to evolving into arguably one of the greatest female performers of our generation shows the hard work and dedication she had put in for her fans. So as Miley Cyrus, all though I am not a huge fan of her, I know that she has become a better performer throughout time, and for those reasons, I respect her and give her flowers (pun intended). The thing about performing is that people know that they can still get paid equally as someone who does perform and uses hard work, with less effort. People do not care about what their fans think anymore because they know that their fans will pay them for a crap job and say nothing about it, so they do not improve.
I went to see Ed Sheeran live in 2022 and he was awesome. He didn't have backup dancers or backup singers, and the background instrumentals were all done with a live band and himself. Towards the later part of his performance he started using this machine, can't remember the name rn, but he was basically beatboxing (I didn't even know he could do that), creating the instrumentals on his music pad, then compiled the whole thing with this machine he had, WITH HIS FOOT, WHILE PLAYING THE GUITAR... WTF??? He did all of this live, while singing and running around on his rotating stage after having performed for no less than an hour. No backup dancers, no backup singers, just him in his t-shirt and jeans, singing, running around ✨artistically✨. Pure musical genius in it's rawest form. The man is unbelievable. He's a different kind of performer that I don't think gets the attention his peers do for his live performances. Maybe it's because he's been around for such a long time.
this is part of the reason why i’m a k-pop stan. most if not all of the groups are great performers because it’s literally their job to perform. when i spend money on a concert ticket, i know that i’m getting the most out of it. i also love western artists like dua lipa who have absolutely amazing stage presence. i don’t think people realize how much of an impact stage presence has, it can make or break an entire performance.
Hip-Hop has some of the worst live music I have seen of all of concerts of different genres I have been too. Not sure why it has gotten so bad for hip-hop given its history as starting out as live music.
Bruno Mars is a great example of a male performer who cares and puts in the work. Charisma, personality, vocals and mooooves!!!!!!!
Yes Bruno mars was the first concert I ever been too, I was in high school and it was AMAZING. Ellie Goulding opened for him and they were both great
I remember back in the day when I was a wee kid watching a recording of a puff daddy performance and being so taken aback by how glamorous and grand the whole thing was. Later in my teens same thing with Bruno Mars, he just has this thing about him that separates the stars from the mere singers. He's not physically attractive but man does he have a presence about him.
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He got debts to pay lmao dancing like he tryna pay the rent
Women literally have to do it all. Sing/rap while looking great; dance and some do while performing while they are visibly pregnant. Som guys look like they roll out bed; hopefully brush their teeth and walk back and forth across the stage . I am Not talking artist like Usher, CB, or Bruno Mars cuz they bring it.
It’s crazy because that applies for everything, idk why the world is the way it is
nah CB just does backflips
@@SideEyeee_ I can't do backflips 😭
Honestly I think it’s more so about the artist’s audience and what that demographic demands/expects. Which is why (even tho I see the issue she’s bringing up for the point) I don’t rlly agree with it. As the ppl she listed that have to “do it all” (including ppl like MJ, Usher, JB, Taylor, Nicki, Megan) all have predominantly women audiences, meaning women (or anyone with stereotypically adjacent interest) are setting that requirement.
VS. say guys in rap who (like she listed) don’t “have to do that”. Example: Travis Scott and Carti are considered (by guys) to be great performers. Even tho on a surface lvl they’re just jumping, screaming and occasionally climbing shit😂 couple that w a hype man and it’s a simple as-Getting the crowd hyped, especially based on the sub genre of rap.
Srry for the paragraph, my bad
@@SideEyeee_and it looks amazing
As a Kpop stan, I realize how much I was spoiled when it comes to performance cause there was no Kpop concert where I was bored while the celeb just walked back an forth and doing the bare minimum.
When it comes to tours and concerts Kpop goes HARD. Huge performances, tons of back up dancers, crazy choreography, great stage probs, fireworks, VCRs ect. There's never a dull moment.
You can hate kpop, you can love it or just not interested in it but you can't deny Kpop always slays when it comes to performance.
That is true, they train in vocals / dancing for years and it shows
@@AlphazXG_ yeah they train there dance but in the vocal I don't know
@@egielynabunda7888 watch some of the kpop documentaries of certain groups, they train in vocals but some groups are just better than singing than others. Also some companies get lazy and stop training their idols in vocals after they get a certain level of success.
Except blackpink. They all sound like they're screaming in their songs.
@@egregor369 I don't about that how about Lisa she just shout her song 😳
Tyler the Creator is another really great example for the hip hop men. Not only does he dance in his performances, have costume changes sometimes between his album characters, and have amazing stage presence, but just with him being a producer too, he’ll play alternative intros for some of his songs too. His crowd engagement is also really amazing (and funny as hell a lot of the time 😂)
Tyler is for sure up there with the best of the current rappers as far as putting on a show, especially when he headlines.
Absolutely! I saw him on the call me if you get lost tour in 2022 and it was A PRODUCTION the set, the crowd work, the dancing, everything was on point, it was the 2nd best concert I’ve been to after Beyoncé’s renaissance world tour
Dude has barely been making hip hop for like a decade haha
I agree the women , in general work harder for the money and some deal with most of the drama if they’re too sexy or not sexy enough.
it's criminal that you didn't mention DUA LIPA. She's been stepping it up since the pencil sharpener incident.
AMAZING visuals and choreography!
She has also talked about how she got builled for dancing, while men just come to shows and sing, and do nothing else, while still getting praise
I actually bunch and Dua Lipa in my newest video called make artist humble again, and I talk about dua’s evolution
Incident is taking me out😂😂😂
@24kgoldplatedvermeil i dont know what you mean by "charismatic voice"? She does have a very low pitched voice wich i think is unique and special for a female artist. If Dua is singing, you KNOW it's her.
But I guess if her voice doesn't do it for it's a question about personal taste.
@24kgoldplatedvermeil Her stage production maybe, the production on her songs - Not even. She should find better producers. Take for instance Mark Ronson, he did a very good song for her - Dance the night. And yes, Future Nostalgia did sell very well.. but because the listeners had mostly never experienced 70s, 80s and 90s music. You can find many old songs with more interesting elements and 'meat' than on Future Nostalgia. IMO the album has bland or very repetitive production. And yes, even though I like the girl herself, her tone is not that special. Her being an alto is pleasant to the ears though and she has good voice control. She was better off on her first album, where there was more space for the voice to shine. Be The One is an impressive and moving song, to me. I will always enjoy it.
Kendrick Lamar should also be mentioned in this conversation. His performances are art. He made such tremendous improvements in a short time. If you compare his early performances from around 2013, to his 2016 Grammy performance you can see how much he developed. His 2016 Grammy performance is easily one of my favorite Grammy performances of all time tbh.
Absolutely! I’d argue he’s the closest male performer to Beyonce
I'm not sure about this one. I've been to 2 concerts of him on festivals last year (it's a coincidence though) and although the music was bopping he ain't did a sh+t on that stage - he just walked around from left to right. Except for 1 song where there were 3 dancers
@@results_not_found I agree that Kendrick’s festival performances are lacking sometimes, but his high profile performances like Grammy, MTV, SNL etc always deliver. He’s not a classic performer that dances a lot or has elaborate stages, but his performances really shine when he tells a story with them. Kendrick is a phenomenal lyricists first and foremost, and those high profile performances he really puts effort into showcase just that. He’s excellent at conveying a message and immersing you into the story like you’re watching a movie.
@@hayal1612this!! he is a genius lyricist, and he has had such a great impact on the rap game
One other artist who I would include as a performer recently was Sza on her SOS Tour where she so many theatrics and whether ppl think she cant sing or not she still had that mic on and gave costume changes, choreography, theatrics etc and is truly a hardworker of her craft regardless of how long she takes to drop music (which isnt in her control most if the time) she is undeniably a performer!
Yes, I saw SZA on her SOS tour and I was pleasantly surprised. I know she got a bad rap for some performances when she didn’t sound great she was being roasted for it. So I was nervous to see her, but she was amazing!!!
I love that somebody is praising sza bc she’s ALWAYS been a great performer . I’ve been a fan since 2017 & I’ve followed her live performances for 7 years so I would know . people took a 10 second clip of her sounding “bad” & then labeled her as a bad singer/performer . that’s why I was pissed when everybody was going to see her on the SOS tour cuz bitch wasn’t you making fun of her on Twitter 5 years ago ? lmao .
@paradisepressJA Writing songs doesn’t make an artist great. Look at Ice Spice for exemple. When we say that SZA “can’t sing” it’s just about her not being a vocalist because y’all give her too much credits when it’s not due. Yes, she writes her songs but they are not great and they talk about the same things over and over again.
Best concerts I've been to have been BTS and Beyonce. Every penny I've spent was always worth it because you could see the amount of dedication into their art. And there's nothing more I love to see than a passionate artist on stage...it elevates the entire performance. To me they're the bar. And considering how expensive concert tickets are these days, some artists need to step it up.
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BEYTAN ON TOPP 🗣️
Out of the male performers I’ve seen in the past couple of years, The Weeknd and Harry Styles put on some good shows. Harry Styles had huge energy, engaged the crowd, and played the guitar while The Weeknd used both visuals and vocals to produce an unforgettable show.
I would also include Bad Bunny. He gives good shows from what i’ve seen with good production and energy.
One mistake that I’ve made in the past as a Beyoncé Stan, was comparing people to her style of performing…also because she’s the Bar. BUT I’ve learned to value the different styles of performers. Especially because lately, I’ve been feeling like people don’t ALWAYS have to perform the same way and can still be good. I think that’s why, even rappers, they’re entertaining to people, because there are different styles of performing.
very true. but at the same time, there’s different styles of performing and then there’s not performing at all and unfortunately the latter is the case with most mainstream artists these days.
She’s not the bar. She constantly steals from other people whether it’s performances or songwriting.
MICHAEL JACKSON is the bar.
@@SideEyeee_ I meant currently…you can’t deny the influence of Beyonce in other artists’ performances. BUT as of overall…yes, you’re right…Michael IS the bar.
@@SideEyeee_ incorrect. you can keep saying it but it will never be true. she inspires and gives credit where it’s die, a couple of dresses and one shots are not evidence of “thievery”
@@SideEyeee_ incorrect, she is mot a thief. she gives credit where it’s due it sticks in her own lane for the most part, introducing new concepts to the mainstream.
Love the classic footage. You really explained the bridge of change in the music industry when it comes to music performance. If you pay big bucks you should get a big performance. It doesn’t have to be all about dance but give it your all. Whitney Houston didn’t have to dance her butt off because she sanggggg! Her voice and emotion and costumes were enough. Some sing and have to dance to present and that’s great. But there has to be emotion and energy. Half stepping deserves half pricing.
Thanks for watching! Yess you have to be giving us a lil something at the very least
I saw Lil Nas X last year and he was amazing! It was a proper pop performance, full stage show with backup dancers and multiple costume changes, but that mic was ON!
HARRY STYLES too!!!!!!
Absolutely agree. I saw him during a festival and he was magnificent
@results_not_found It was a festival for me too. Usually in Australia we don't always get the full stage show so I was very grateful he made the effort to fly all that over.
Loved Offset‘s performance for real. It’s a good example of how you can be a rapper, have a chill and laid back persona (which is pretty usual for rappers) but still kill a performance and deliver.
People hate KPop, I was one, BUT they do perform and after I learned what they have to go through - dance and singing lessons, working out (singing while running on a treadmill), they do this for years before they "debut" to the public. I have new found respect for them. Yes BTS write and produce ALL their songs. Not sure about other Kpop. But ALL have to produce a show for their audience and just can't walk around.
Exactly. American modern artists could never.
@@lisa.222 American artists have the mindset of "You're lucky to see me" vs the Kpop and BTS are the opposite. They truly appreciate their fans and realize they are nothing without them and want to give them the best show/give back as much as they can.
Kpop idols have alot of times limited chances. Alot of them have limited creative freedom from their companies especially girlgroups. It is most of time the rappers of the group that have the freedom to write and produce.
But then I have discovered AB6IX(not that popular) but their maknae(youngest) Daehwi has written and produced alot of songs. For sure there is others but Daehwi produces and writes some title tracks. That is not seen as much. Mostly it is the rappers. Their rapper Woojin does it as well but I will argue that Daehwi has done it more. The other 2 members have written some songs mostly their solos but still talented.
Being an IDOL is mainly about visuals. Not just face bit performance. Kpop was influenced by the Pop and HipHop scene from tge 20th century, especially MJ. Still being influenced by newer artists from the west but still KPOP has their own sound. Ppl recognize it sometimes by the sound not just the language. It has become more Mainstream especially with BTS, BP, NewJeans, etc..
The main difference is the idol system. Their 2 main jobs are being performers and singers(rappers).
I am someone, who mainly enjoys SM groups. Because of their songs. They have a group TVXQ which have lost 3 members but still with 2 members do well performing.
@@lisa.222yea your right about modern cuz I was going to say Outkast mentioned these types of practices long ago.
I used to dislike kpop because I hated the beats. Now I have a few kpop songs and artists I listen too. I listen to Japanese artists a bit more - Hikaru Utada, Psychic Fever, and ofc XG
Missy Elliott performances are otherworldly
So glad you mentioned doja cat. When I saw her in concert I was in complete awe. She’s an AMAZING performer. So fun and captivating. I cant even begin to explain how amazing she was.
I think when it comes to the men it's because there mostly rappers and there supposed to have this tuff hard image to uphold. So, they don't dance, and it can come off as boring. There's also not a lot of male pop stars out there anymore or boybands like there were in the 90s and 2000s. I agree things have gone downhill and social media has definitely changed things. Artist put more effort in to their music video for UA-cam more than live performance since the UA-cam video reaches a wider audience. Unique and interesting topic thank you.
Very true! It’s a double edge sword because some of their fans may judge them for dancing or say it’s not cool. So it does kind of depend on your audience and I get that, but I think as an artist with a big platform you should be somewhat of a developed performer.
I think you can still rap and perform. It's not all about dancing, but the vibes and energy you put into it.
@@jalapeno1119 I understand you. There are more ways to perform besides dancing. Thank you for your input.
you dont really have to dance. like travis scott doesnt dance but he gets really energetic and jumps around like a psycho for an hour and a half, it makes the crowd feel like they're getting their money's worth. or someone like j cole who just does the authentic rap performance of just rapping over the instrumental.
@@N4orEditori agree if you have high energy and bangers then they can not dance and still be entertaining but if they got mid or trash music like sweetie they got no choice but to dance.
I just want to shout out Panic! At The Disco, Brendan Urie clearly loves to perform and brings amazing showmanship to his shows. Singing, playing multiple instruments, doing literal backflips. I think his music also lends itself to this level of performance; I would argue most female artists write music with the vision of a performance in mind, where many male artists do not appear to do this.
Oh hell yeah. I saw Brendo back in 2017. It was a sight to see!
Since I've started consuming K-pop I've been very tired of American pop. It feels lazy and without purpose. And I'm not saying this about every artist cause there's some good ones that really care about the craft and I also understand that in this day and age of algorithm and TikTokfication of things they don't have time or the support to grow as performers. Despite all that I'm tired of seeing good performances only when they feel it's a special occasion, the lack of consistency and lazyness became a problem and people don't wanna assume that because they can't accept that American artists are not the only fish in the pond anymore.
Facts! We’re not the standard or we shouldn’t always be. I feel like with K-pop. The whole idea is based around polished performance, artist development, image, etc. that is taking a huge backseat in the American pop market
See that was me a few years ago but I got bored with kpop bc I felt like yes they dance well, but there’s barely any live singing, there’s no room for being in the moment, no crowd work or hype. Every performance is the exact same down to the facial expressions and/or ad lib. I think I need a mixture of yes a certain level of polish but also spontaneous actions and crowd work to really hype up the crowd. Kpop performances are fun at first and then the sparkle fades and it’s a bit too robotic for me. Save for a few artists like bts, g-idle, mamamoo bigbang and CL.
@@chichilafemme6336 Yees I agree 💯 It's the Best of both worlds The quality and level of details and the charisma and that raw talent to really win a crowd that certain western artist have
Yall always bring up kpop Everytime people talk about the American Music industry But yall favs cant even sing or rap
And honestly, it’s not even just with K-pop. It’s across Asia on performances and fan interactions. And especially when you get out of the K-pop side of things (so other Asian countries pop/rock/indie music and even K-rock) where live performances are the standard.
And when you’re paying for the ticket, it’s not just “I’m going to enjoy the show only.” No, there’s going to be Merch tables out where you can get merchandise and most shows have a VIP ticket option/tier system. So you are just only paying for where you are in the audience but also what you gain as a viewer. A lot of them have tiers that include things like sound check access with Q&A, exclusive song requests/performances, professional group and/or individual picture with the artist, 8-90sec chat, high-touch (high five or hug), signed posters, early access to the merch table pre-show, send off and/or arrival.
And I believe this is because in these eastern cultures where they are community based and not individual based like the west is, they understand that these are transactional and that they wouldn’t be here without fans. Not to mention how they treat fan culture is completely different, with in person interactions, regular fan meet events both paid and free with brand and sponsors, some with top spender exclusive events with all day or multi-day activities (including dinners, boat rides, picnics, amusement parks, excursions, etc), fun game shows & interviews (most a lot of sit down and talk boring interviews like in the west), different ways on how they do IG lives, fan video call raffles, etc. So why should they not want to give back to the people who helped them get to where they are. But they also want to be seen as human and not this completely unattainable/unreachable idol. That’s very much why I don’t go to any western concerts or really watch music videos for them let alone care about their personal lives (Taylor Swift is my exception but I still have limits). Because I really can’t justify a $200-$500 ticket without the perks and fun extra experience. And compared to the east, where you truly feel apart of the show/fandom, it’s just not worth it to me.
I also think Justin Timberlake is a great performer and an overall good all-rounder. He used to be the main pop boy in the 2000s and for good reason. His dancing was genuinely impressive and he put on a cohesive show with backup dancers. Though his vocals are not groundbreaking, he has a unique timbre and falsetto that distinguished him from his peers. He hardly ever lip-syncs and usually sounds stable even during dancing. He also plays piano and guitar, which he uses during his slower songs. All these different elements he incorporates into his performances make for versatile and entertaining concerts.
Luther Vandross didn’t dance but he was a performer! He had charm, personality, talent, passion, perfectionism, vocals, and connections to both his music and the audience. He was simply captivating.
I real live didn’t know Offset had a performing arts background. Now it makes so much sense with his presence along with him being in movies and tv shows.
Saw anderson paak live back in 2018, best money i ever spent, cant say the same when i saw lauryn Hill 😭😭😭 but you are absolutely right for the majority of artists. Also id love to see ciara live
Imo Anderson Paak is top 5 best artist of our generation but yet he's still underrated. Crazy.
@@XanStephP I agree, also my apologies for the amount of typos, my screen is broken.
Yes!! Not only is he insanely talented but also stylish and can collaborate with artists from all different genres
@@audreyurquhart9057 he deserves more recognition, but I kinda like that he's not uncomfortably famous like our girl Beyonce.
I saw Kendrick Lamar in concert in 2022 with my boyfriend and never listened to him before and I can say he put on a performance one of my favorite concerts. He played piano, Ventriloquistism and had dancers and I was really pleasantly surprised !!
I also think it depends on the type of music people are making
Thank you! I been saying this for years, most men don’t give shit, it’s boring to watch them. As a performer myself I care about what I’m giving to the crowd. I always have the best shows and energy no matter what the size of a room is.
Kendrick's performances are always on 10. Whether its set design, the clarity in his voice, special guests, or his contained yet tight choreo... I can't agree that he just "comes as he is"
I completely agree and I commented something similar. His performances tell a story, like his 2016 and 2018 Grammy performances.
His award show performances and concerts are great. His festival performances, not so much but they still kinda hold up
Can’t talk about performers without mention Bruno Mars!
Yes, he’s an amazing performer🙌🏽🙌🏽
Mariah danced in her performances to her upbeat songs in the 90's and early 2000's. My favorite performers in regards to dancing and movement are Beyoncé, P!nk, Ariana Grande, Usher, Britney Spears, Victoria Monét, Kehlani, Chloë and Halle, Meg Thee Stallion and Latto and in regards to vocals and stage presence are Mariah, Carrie Underwood and Kelsea Ballerini (country singers), Taylor Swift, Kelly Clarkson and Christina Aguilera
Yess thanks for mentioning ari! I saw ariana back in 2014 and it was a damn good show
My husband and I shoot music videos on the west coast. When I am directing, it can be like pulling teeth can get decent performances out of artists, sometimes. Our job is to make sure that we capture their best representation and energy that they want to convey. Many artists were not trained at all, so they have no stagecraft. They don’t even know their angles, or how to make eye contact. I feel old sometimes explaining this stuff to someone who is struggling, but it is so worth it when they finally understand that PEOPLE CAN SEE YOU!
Even if you have a whole circus going off around you, people are still there to see YOU, dammit. Great topic! So true about Micheal Jackson.👍🏾
This talk made me think back to the "crunk" era. And soulja boy with all those crank dat dances 😂
Tyler the creator! He’s one of if not the best male rap performers of our generation
I feel like current artists arent encouraged to have great performances. There are just too many festivals, concerts, tours and appearances. All of the best performers of this generation are by artist that are scarcely performing (except for Frank Ocean but I heard thats because he was still dealing with the death of a family member around his Coachella performance). And rappers have never really been into the theatrical performance elements. They just grab the mic but because rap is so oversaturated... they dont really hit like rapper in the past. Back in the day, rappers used to freestyle, improvise on the spot, add different elemnts to their musical performance. Rappers used to change up the instrumental, incorporate live bands, have dancers, bring out rnb artist. So many things have changed in music and entertainment as a whole. its like black movies from the 90's. They would have everybody and anybody making cameos in random movies but now they dotn collaborate as much. We need more collaboration.
Love the video!
Thats a really interesting perspective! I also think artist development is heavily lacking snd good performances aren’t an expectation anymore …not from fans, and not from labels really either. So i see why it’s become so prevalent. However, im hoping this drought is over soon. We got ppl like Victoria monet, Chloe, and tyla (to name a few) who are super polished and you can tell loves what they do.
I recently went to a Ludacris concert almost a month ago, and while he’s not a dancer, he kept us entertained, made us laugh and had great energy.
I used to love watching his music videos so creative and hilarious
Most artist underestimate the power of choreographed movement not dancing but moving in tune with the beat and background
You really said it all. Thank You! I've been SO frustrated with some of these massive artists that are missing crucial skills. For YEARS I've been wondering why some of these men have terrible stage presence and are playing arenas, large venues. AND some of these artists get millions of streams on songs that offer little musicality, poor vocals, and BAD lyrics. I just don't understand. I can think of dozens of underappreciated artists with MULTIPLE SKILLS/TALENTS in each genre that I'd rather see live. I'm glad you made this video on performance because hopefully, it will make a few people rethink the artists they support and why.
that's why I like little simz; she's a British rapper who just comes as she is. nothing revealing or too sexual. but she's also has great charisma when performing.
Michael, queen, metal bands, beyonce, Shakira great preformers!!
Rappers from 90’s still put on better shows and performances than most of these new school rappers. Real Talk!
I started becoming a fan of MJ when I started middle school 2016-2017.
Might I say that, especially during that era of music, no artists (aside from Beyoncé, of course) did not impress even one bit so I literally didn’t understand the hype around the mainstream music that was going viral because most of them didn’t care about performance. I genuinely thought that I lived in an era were performances were going to die out.
Then I discovered BTS (always in 2017), watched their music videos, their dance practice videos and then their performances and I started becoming hopeful again; but then I look deeper into the Kpop industry and saw that what BTS did was simply a norm and an expectation, for both girl groups and boy groups.
If you ever want to see a random artist you don’t know, I assure you that 90% of the times the safest option is to pick a Kpop group ‘cause they know how to put up a show.
Victoria Monet is honestly the best.
YES!!!! I payed $50 for her concert ticket but bought so much merch because she was as good as Beyonce imo.
Love her!!!
Seeing her in concert was AMAZING!! I would love to see her again, and I’ll be front row if I can!
A good performer is Bruno mars
Yes yes yes! he’s great. I’ve seen performances from when he was a kid and he had it.
He is awesome!
HARRY STYLES too!!!!!
Lucky Daye was a very memorable performance for me! He had good stage presence and clearly it was choreographed to highlight his vocal ability and attitude.
I think a lot of men think because they’re not dancers they can’t perform in a big way, but that’s not true.
They don’t care about performing because a lot of these recent acts today have no talent. It’s the fast food era of music.
And like yeah you have amazing music so walking back and forth on stage doesn’t matter but like WHEN YOU DANCE, HAVE COOL COSTUMES, ETC. ITS JUST BETTER.. like performance’s are what make people want to dance with you and make them get the chills and stuff like that and I love artists that make you feel that way. And no NOT IN A PLAYBOY CARTI CHILLS TYPE WAY😭 Beyoncé chills type way the poses on each beat makes you want to get up and do it💀
Yeah these non preformers have people come all the way out to see just to do nothing! It’s such a waste
I agree
Sometimes a good performances will have you likeing songs you Initially didn't like.
I didn't like beyonce renaissance album until i saw the performances of them same happened with doechii song crazy and persuasive.
Whether you have pyrotechnics and tons of choreography or it simple...its about the energy.
One of the best performances I saw was WuTang (guest starring Redman) and brought so much energy and showmanship.
These new dudes act like they're too cool to be excited.
Madonna and her blonde ambition tour truly revolutionizes how a pop concert could be done. And the impact goes on even at today's level, in seemingly every single female artist. The problem with male artists though, I think, is heavily due to the decline of male musicians doing pop music.
There are equivalent blueprints laying there for male pop stars, MJ/Prince/Freddie, just to name a few. And back when men felt that it was OK to do boppy/vibrant pop music, the influence was still clear to be seen. There were Usher, Bruno Mars, Chris Brown, Jason Derulo, Justin Timberlake/Bieber(the latter three are, imo, mediocre but at least they put in some efforts performing).
But nowadays, the male musicians seem to distant themselves even further from the pop girlies, as if doing the traditional pop music is embarrassing and too feminine. They either go with a completely acoustic sad boy guitar-playing style, or the walking around rapping with loud background tracks mode. I don't know if the big labels behind are responsible, maybe it's less costly to produce male artists in this way so they can earn more quick money.
My parents bought me DVD of Janet's Velvet Rope Tour when I was a kid, and I watched that concert for like 100 times. There was no high tech LED screen, no super expensive props, no insane design of stage. But even today I found that concert much more amusing than a lot of concerts by some big name artists now.
However, I am very happy to see a many less mega-mainstream artists putting in efforts like their life depends on it. Just to name a few, Rina Sawayama, Charli XCX, Kim Petras, Chappell Roan. They don't have the arena-tour budget but their shows are vibrant, entertaining, energetic, and creative. I highly recommend you check out their tour sometimes.
might be a bit biased but ed sheeren is a great performer, he is currently on his mathematics tour and he is the only one on stage with a guitar and a pedal, he has a turning stage an he invests in making a great show for his fans, look it up to see what im talking about it is amazing im seeing him in august
Absolutely agree, and as an exception to what you said there is also Justin Timberlake who's performances has been top tier for decades now. It's also more obvious at this moment, cause we haven't seen him for a while and now when you see the production, live music, dances, stage presence and the voice...well, it's a striking difference.
If you got the vocals but you’re not a great performer physically(dancing) you need to bring the theatrics. My favorite example to use is the Brandy and Monica VMA performance of the boy is mine, the girls aren’t dancing but the dancers are and there’s a story happening on stage while they sing that makes it worth it.
Yes, I feel like there needs to be a balance or offseting it. Especially these days, we pay too much money for these artist to be this lazy and not give us anything
I just saw Jhene on her magic hour tour and the whole production was phenomenal. No excuses for anyone !
summer walker is an artist who had massive performance growth over the past couple years, esp having social anxiety she managed to put on such a good show @ rolling loud 24 thanks to teanna taylor
ain't no way nobody talked about The Weeknd shows, absolute performances
And that’s why I love BTS and the solo performances of BTS
Rap and hip hop have sadly become low-effort genres and people have been allowing people with zero talent or creativity to invade this space much to its detriment. It's not just performance, it's the production, the lyricism... It's truly a sad state.
I definitely think a good thing with someone like Adele is she gives you the vocal performances and the raw emotion you need for that kind of concert, but the way she chats to the audience in between songs. She's not a showgirl performer in the sense of flips and tricks and dancemoves galore, but vocally she excells, and her chatting away in between (I assume) is different per show, depending on what she's seen or done in the day.
Durand Bernarr
Luke James
Chris Brown
Offset
Usher
Just to name a few that don’t just stand there.
Eric Bellinger and Bryson Tiller too
Harry STYLES!!!!!!
The Weeknd
@@lilruss15 no actually
@@karrionnsmith him after 2016 after starboy dropped, and check superbowl
Amen. Finally someone speaking on this the laziness in rap concerts, they plug in the aux cord has been normalized. Kanye did the vultures performance straight up non Apologetic aux cord vibes
When it comes to men and rapping Method Man and Red man take the cake in preforming. Method man will jump out of the balcony and on to the stage.
Camryn also consider the y the audience is going to the show, most want to record and post to their Instagram and tiktok for a certain catchy part of the song. IE Steve Lacy’s tour. The music business is only going to get away with what the audience will let them. And the audience is sometimes to caught up trying to be star also with the lives & posting on socials
Glad I found your channel. I have been saying this to my nieces and nephew for a few years. Performs today are trash. Yes the females work harder than the males, but they aren’t putting in the work that they did 20 years ago either. For example, Janet Jackson’s work ethic, Madonnas work ethic, Beyoncé, Britney, Jennifer Lopez. No current or new female is putting in the work they did. So they don’t even deserve superstar status. They may make a good song here and there but they aren’t creating eras, they aren’t changing culture with fashion like Janet did with her 1814 earrings, or madonnas bracelets, Britney’s low rise jeans and belly button ring, Jennifer Lopez’s green dress. If anything they steal from the women of the past, and don’t create anything new. Hell even Bjork had memorable looks. Dolly Parton is currently making headlines for her looks, why aren’t the new crop doing anything? Basic. Lazy. Boring.
Yes, to be honest I feel like everything is lacking from the guy performers to the female performers. I definitely talked about this. A little bit in my pop is dead video. The superstar is not super starring anymore.😭 and it shows in every aspect of entertainment, like performances, music, making, etc.
@@CamrynSuzanne Yes and I hate every bit of it. I had high hopes for Dua Lipa but I think she has made some bad missteps recently. Mainly she became too oversaturated on social media. A superstar needs mystery, they need to be everywhere but not really accessible. A superstar is Gucci, not George from Walmart. You should be able to look, but never be able to feel that you can actually gain access to it. Superstardom is aspirational and there aren't that many people out there doing aspirational things right now because they don't have the work ethic like they used to. Was it unfortunate that Joe Jackson beat that work ethic into the Jackson children, sure. Did it create greatness? Also, yes. Did the death of Madonna's mother fuel her search for love and world domination? Yes. Did Dolly Parton's dirt poor upbringing make her hungry for success? Yep. Beyonce's father would also be considered abusive today making a group of young girls dance in high heels on a stage he built in his backyard while singing. But where would those girls be now? Beyonce's work ethic is insane because of him. Don't even get me started on Jennifer Lopez. That woman is a friggin' machine. She should be an inspiration to all women, men, and children for the amount of things she can do. 54 years old and still dances amazingly, still has drive to be not just ok or good, but GREAT. She may not be the best at everything, but it's the drive and the effort that is just so damn inspiring.
I agree wholeheartedly
@@LifeAfterLosing- if there's one thing that K-pop has shown us, it's that work ethic & showmanship don't have to be things of the past.
It's true that the K-pop system can often be abusive also, but it's interesting that BTS have risen to such heights precisely because they were treated so differently from the rest of the industry.
@@djlivvy46 I mean, is it abuse or is it teaching people how to be great? Michael Jackson wouldn’t be Michael without Joe Jackson.
I think it’s worth noting that we’re entering an era where the roles are becoming reversed where women are dominating and men aren’t really seen as valuable or favorable as far as music goes, especially among the black community. Not to say the misogyny and sexism towards women is gone but it’s slowly shifting.
So because of that, nobody is typically checking for male artists and performers anymore which is sad because we’re going through a small renaissance where the great male performers are showing up again. Of course, our legends like Usher, Miguel, Justin Timberlake, The Weeknd and Chris Brown are having a resurgence and Justin Bieber is expected to come back soon but there are new male artists too like Jungkook, Tone Stith, No Lonely Hearts & No Guidnce bringing back boybands and then you have Josh Levi who’s now being seen as the defacto new black pop IT boy, he’s basically the male Normani which is ironic given the two are childhood best friends. At the very least, he is slowly blowing up with Birthday Dance being a viral hit and the music video being praised for bringing back dancing among men again. But still, no one is really checking for the guys no more.
This is a big reason i switched to kpop. There's issues there too. But they don't play about performance
In these days of high cost of living, you better put on a show, man or woman!
Halsey is not a dancer, like other artists, but she's captivating. Megan Thee Stallion, she puts on a whole production. Different, unique.
Y’all need to give BTS a chance. Yes they’re kpop but they’re authentic and always going above and beyond for their fans. They know how to put on a show no one will forget!
Seventeen and Stray Kids too!
You never disappoint! 🔥 as always!
Thank you!!
first concert I went to was a smino concert, tickets were like 60 or 80 dollars and let me say he brought it, he had his band with him who all did amazing, he hit every beat he rapped he sang like his life depended on it, performed songs from all of his albums. He electrified that stage, but this is rare for male performers to do, as they have far less expectation on them.
more bands need love XD mother mother is one of the best live performers i've ever seen they're all in
they LOVE music, the more an artist loves music the better the show
Most of them don’t do it because they can’t … people are shocked by what they don’t expect and let’s be honest most of these artists are not creative in that way … sometime it takes the artist to come up with these concepts some of them even have to pay for it
I am not into the pop scene or rap scene. I am into the metal and alternative. Even there is an issue but I remember how fun the 21 pilots concert and the bring me the horizon concerts were when I saw them. I also know they have been innovating to improve. I think it would be cool to see you look into that and compare
Offset is one of the few male rappers that I really see putting a live performance.
Rewatching old videos while I wait for my sis to come back
The Lox shed light on this in their Versus Battle against The Diplomats. I thought with how big that moment was that we were in the clear but I was sadly mistaken. It's gotten so much worse.
You're right, I've been to all types of different genres of shows/festivals and when I compare and contrast the women I've seen versus the men I've seen, men really can get away with the bare minimum stage performances. I've seen some cool stuff from men at shows but when I think about stage production, costumes, dancers, choreography, etc. the women DELIVER.
Jhené Aiko didn't do a lot on stage when I saw her in 2018 but she brought presence, her talent and looked amazing! (I think she was pregnant though so probably why she wasn't moving too much??) It was a great time. The crowd was standing the whole time and engaged.
Melanie Martinez did the MOST at her show last summer, I loved it so much. I feel like it if she didn't do all that her fans might have given her backlash/disappointment because SO MANY people were dressed up and in cosplays, but I never really thought about that possibility until this video because I expected the extra from her. Same with Ashnikko.
Thank you for your take on this!
Honestly it's The Genre Men, Women and NonBinary artist perform their butt off in Rock and other Genres Rap is all about the hype the look the money. But the girls didn't get it together until Teyanna Taylor got them together. Only Doja and Meg were giving us a SHOW.
I also feel like Nicki Minaj isn’t a great dancer she’s a good performer though especially in the early 2000s the theatrics the volatile changes I hope she goes back to that same level of performance
Metal head here. All the metal shows I have been too have been ultra fun with lots of energy. Male or female usually put their all into the music. That being said, could it be a genre thing as well? I went to see Pitbull and it was like a giant club and was hella fun but everyone was dancing not really paying attention to the performance. I think people/artists may just assume since lofi pop or hip hop artists might not need the same production budget as there is not much to recreate live or maybe just lazy? Just giving my 2 cents. Love the videos!
rap perfomances are the worst of the genres
. Period you really said that, and you said it with your chest, as you should. That’s all 😂
Watching people Spaz on summer for not doing back flips on stage when her live voice is almost identical to her tracks. She sounds amazing.
Slayyyter is such an incredible live performer! She’s still playing at clubs but I can’t wait to see her at festivals and arenas some day
Great video! I agree so much with your perspective. I just want to add that a live band is also a great element to give your audience a captivating show if you're not the best dancer/entertainer. A band breathes new life into a song but most rappers just stick with the same tired track. No added sound effects or anything!
" We can dance if we want to. We can leave your friends behind 'Cause your friends don't dance and if they don't dance. Well, they're no friends of mine.."
The problem is not "men"; its contemporary rappers.
Prince and MJ out performed EVERYBODY, men women, pets, etc. The music business has changed a lot.
You really can't compare pop artists with rappers. Rappers portray stage machismo in which singing = feminine unless its 50 Cent-style singing where you really aren't singing. Your generation may lack performers but its because your generation's music is mostly female pop singers and rappers. If you go back to an era where black people were in BANDS, everybody was about performing, musicianship and quality. Go back and look at live performances by Zapp, Lakeside, Cameo, Earth Wind and Fire, and so many others and you will see fire performances. Even the 90s boy bands had to step and sing Temptations style in order to be successful. It is not a feminist issue as it seems the tone of this commentary is leaning, but rather a marketing issue.
I can give you a simple answer to "why" and its MONEY. The accountants, data analysts and lawyers are deep in the music industry. They have determined by algorithm what sells and what doesn't and that is what gets the most money thrown at it. For women, its pretty pop singers. Aside from Lizzo, its almost a must that a woman be attractive to be successful in the music biz this did not used to be the case at all but the algorithm has spoken because people have spoken. For every Bryson Tiller, Miguel, John Legend, Anderson Paak,Chris Brown, etc., there are 50 rappers that all just walk across the stage because they think performing is feminine and to keep it real, they probably CAN'T do anything else, but your generation supports them.
My gen had plenty of performers and most of the time, the men were better performers. The 80s brought the dance funk, the 90s had new jack swing and if you couldn't dance and sing fast songs at the same time, you were a joke. R&B didn't used to be synonymous with slow songs. The industry stood on rap and shook R&B out of the tree. With it went musicality and performance. Even the rappers back in the day had to perform. (Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, Kool Moe Dee, Public Enemy, Heavy D, etc.) Now? Not so much. You want better artists? Demand better artists. Support performers and you'll get performers; otherwise, its gonna be the same old same old.
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Gurl it’s always those underappreciated artists who always give amazing Performance. Not Bare minimum but really perform. I discovered Noah Kahan years ago. He wasn’t as big popular in the mainstream media as other artists. And even now that he’s getting the recognition he deserved, he never slack one bit.
So far ive seen Celine Dion, Barbara Streisand, Mariah Carey x2 but the best performance ive seen was the trilogy tour Enrique Iglesias Ricky Martin & Pitbull i have to tell you they knew how to put on a friggen show!! They care for their craft & it shows. Did 20k steps that day from all the dancing lmao
While I get that a lot of expectations are placed on female performers, I think it's primarily from their fans.
For example, not much was even mention about the good male performers such as The Weeknd, Harry Styles, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, Kendrick, Travis Scott's visual theme concerts, Playboi Carti etc.
Also I think artists are expected to be a representation of themselves when performing, so female rappers have to maintain the music video choreography and visuals. Because male rappers present as nonchalant, it allows them to get away with not doing all that because their fanbase doesn't expect it. But that doesn't excuse lackluster performance filled with low energy, lip-syncing and disconnection from the audience. And rappers have been getting called out for it now
I also think realistically, people like Post Malone and J Cole always look modest, so that's their image as an artist and it's expected to perform as that. It'd be weird to expect J Cole to now have choreography when all he does in his music videos is rap
In my opinion I find performance to be important it's why I've never been to a concert ever
People can hate on kpop as much as they want but there is absolutely no denying groups like Ateez bring a whole production to their concerts and it’s so good to see!! While not every artist NEEDS to bring singing AND dancing to the table, it definitely is something different. I would also love to see ones like Bruno Mars, Sabrina Carpenter, Lana Del Rey, Flo, Ciara, etc live. I bet they can put on an amazing show.
I think you missed a very glaring example…Lil Nas X! He’s leading the way in terms of putting on a show and being a true performer, especially as not only a rapper but a performer who kind of transcends genre! On top of that, he’s a gay man, which connects to your point about the girls and gays being more tuned in to this kind of thing! Not only do I think LNX is breaking gender rules and stereotypes as a man in his aesthetic but he’s breaking down barriers for other male rappers to not shy away from dipping their toes into elevating their performance game. Though offset did it before, it wasn’t too long after at all that LNX came through SWINGING!
Tyler the creator, it's a amazing performer
his concerts are insane
Harry Styles!!!!
she's so pretty, wow
I like the points made but felt like the topic should’ve been more narrowed to the genres being criticised. If we’re criticising male performers, the percentage actually decreases because a number of male artists in indie, rock music, R&B, afrobeats, and amapiano bring their stage presence and invest in their craft on stage. There are pop stars like Taylor Swift & Dua Lipa, who had to improve stage presence to make her pop out as an artist whose vocals aren’t (respectfully) the star of the show. It’s also why a lot of bands will be familiar with fans because of a frontman or member’s stage performance. On a bigger level, it comes down to the intentions and the team of the performer.
i think the only men I've paid to see ((besides like rock bands)) have been kpop shows 😂 absolutely worth the money, they perform their asses off. SHINee and VIXX have insane energy onstage
Dua Lipa, so far, has been the best advocate for doing your best and upgrading yourself for people that love you, A.K.A. fans. The fact that she went from being our typical pencil sharpener icon to evolving into arguably one of the greatest female performers of our generation shows the hard work and dedication she had put in for her fans. So as Miley Cyrus, all though I am not a huge fan of her, I know that she has become a better performer throughout time, and for those reasons, I respect her and give her flowers (pun intended). The thing about performing is that people know that they can still get paid equally as someone who does perform and uses hard work, with less effort. People do not care about what their fans think anymore because they know that their fans will pay them for a crap job and say nothing about it, so they do not improve.
I went to see Ed Sheeran live in 2022 and he was awesome. He didn't have backup dancers or backup singers, and the background instrumentals were all done with a live band and himself.
Towards the later part of his performance he started using this machine, can't remember the name rn, but he was basically beatboxing (I didn't even know he could do that), creating the instrumentals on his music pad, then compiled the whole thing with this machine he had, WITH HIS FOOT, WHILE PLAYING THE GUITAR... WTF???
He did all of this live, while singing and running around on his rotating stage after having performed for no less than an hour.
No backup dancers, no backup singers, just him in his t-shirt and jeans, singing, running around ✨artistically✨. Pure musical genius in it's rawest form. The man is unbelievable.
He's a different kind of performer that I don't think gets the attention his peers do for his live performances. Maybe it's because he's been around for such a long time.
this is why i love k pop because this serve every time!
this is part of the reason why i’m a k-pop stan. most if not all of the groups are great performers because it’s literally their job to perform. when i spend money on a concert ticket, i know that i’m getting the most out of it. i also love western artists like dua lipa who have absolutely amazing stage presence. i don’t think people realize how much of an impact stage presence has, it can make or break an entire performance.
Hip-Hop has some of the worst live music I have seen of all of concerts of different genres I have been too. Not sure why it has gotten so bad for hip-hop given its history as starting out as live music.
Facts. Many of them don't believe you gotta rock the crowd. Even the track selection is all over the place
18:06 Younger Cam with Kelani …priceless 💎