The 'Nasty Business' of Windows 10
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- Опубліковано 20 кві 2023
- Based on stats from Microsoft Corporation and Stats Counter, in the first quarter of 2023, there were around a billion active devices worldwide that ran Windows 10.
In spite of technical issues at launch, aggressive distribution tactics, and overreach in user privacy, Windows 10 is nowadays considered to be a positive entry in the good-bad release cycle of Microsoft's operating systems.
Here's how it was criticized in the beginning...
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📌Sources and references:
- Microsoft.com:
“Microsoft By The Numbers”
news.microsoft.com/bythenumbe...
“Improving the Microsoft Services Agreement and Privacy Statement for consumers”
bit.ly/41tkSTY
- Stat Counter:
“Desktop Windows Version Market Share Worldwide”
gs.statcounter.com/os-version...
- Wikipedia:
“Criticism of Windows 10”
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critici...
- Windows Central:
“Windows 10, not Windows 11, market share spiked last month - here's why”
bit.ly/3AnEJI0
- Softpedia:
“Microsoft Admits It “Went Too Far” with Aggressive Windows 10 Updates Search…”
bit.ly/3Ah5xcX
- EDRi:
“Microsoft’s new small print - how your personal data is (ab)used”
bit.ly/43LK4ql
- RPS:
“Windows 10 Is Spying On You: Here's How To Stop It”
bit.ly/3n15EX4
- Computer World:
“Microsoft takes Windows 10 upgrade near nuclear line”
bit.ly/3Lja2dz
- PC World:
“Fearing forced Windows 10 upgrades, users are disabling critical updates instead”
bit.ly/43SFZAt
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The only reason I am on windows 10 is only because of gaming support if Linux had 90% of the games that windows 10 supports I would switch in a heart beat
Most that don't work are due to anticheat. All the single player games I play work fine. Some actually run better, especially if you have an AMD card.
According to ProtonDB, out of top 1000 games on Steam, 85% are silver or above. That is, 85% of games work with, at worst, slightly worse performance. Gold/Platinum games, generally, have performance equal to, or better than on windows.
Only 4% are completely broken and cannot be run on Linux at all.
@@Sierra410 I am play KSP 2 right now and it doesn't have linux support right now and I'm stuck on Nvidia card right now from my experience Nvidia is kinda crap on linux
@@notatimelord21 I have a couple friends with Nvidia hardware who use Linux. While it's not as plug-and-play, it does work fine. Though, you'd want to stick to X11.
As for KSP2... Oof. Just checked ProtonDB. Doesn't look great. Seems to work for people who bypass the launcher, however. So, it should be possible to get it running, just with some tweaking.
@@notatimelord21 for better Nvidia support go with Pop OS it have out of the box Nvidia support.
All these privacy concerns make me REALLY want to switch to Linux permanently. Windows 11 is just gonna be worse.
I did a few years ago. Just back up your stuff and do it man.😊
@@williambaldwin9346 I just dual boot. I use windows for escape from tarkov and other multiplayer games and play all of my other games on pop os
My hardware only boots linux, if I need Windows, it lives in a VM
@Vercusgames It already is, by many metrics. Of course, if you're stuck with Windows-only programs... I will pray for your sanity when you have to deal with Windows.
@@Shubham-hk6yf I still need it for VR games. I wish ALVR wasn't broken on Ubuntu for me.
Windows 10 is still a privacy nightmare, even today. Many either have never heard of Linux distributions, not to also mention there's some telemetry that's built into the Windows NT kernel itself that can't be disabled by any means without modifying the kernel. And even then, doing so will break the OS if any updates are applied afterwards. The closed source nature of the operating system means we have to reverse engineer the code to find out what it does.
😂agree currently I’m using Linux mint vera and absolutely love it.
I would glady switch to Linux but even the stable branch isn't really stable. Every time I run into some random issue that can't be resolved. The last time I got micro-freezes every few minutes after an update.
@@rinart73 It really depends on which Linux distribution you're using and which drivers are installed and which Linux kernel you're using
@@PlatinumLucario I tried various stable distros. Last time it was Kubuntu.
Can you point to the article or document that talks about the telemetry on the NT kernel? I really wanna read it.
In case anyone was dubious of the claims that MS snuck Windows 10 on people's PCs, I can tell you I saw it happen firsthand. MS was staging the entire Windows 10 download on people's PCs without their consent as early as September 2015. You had to into add/remove programs, uninstall several Windows update KBs associated with the Windows 10 automatic upgrade process, then manually delete the directories they created in order to recover the ~4GB of space the Win10 installer ate up. Even if you had automatic updates turned off, MS would sneak Window 10 on if you just accepted the "recommended" updates without paying attention. And yes, if you just clicked the X to close out of the dialog box telling you it was about to install Windows 10, you'd get a little countdown timer on the corner of the screen telling you the installation was about to start, and that was all the warning you'd got. I shut my computer off in a panic when I saw that, then rebooted it, went into add/remove programs, and pulled all the Windows 10 crap out again, for the second or third time.
So yes, absolutely if you left automatic updates on, and it ran overnight, you could've most definitely woken up to Windows 10 on your PC the next day.
I witnessed this first hand myself.
My parent-in-law are not tech savvy at all, and had a typical meh consumer laptop running Win8.1 (just barely).
One morning they called me and asked what had happened to their computer, as it looked all different and HAD CHANGED THE SYSTEM LANGUAGE.
Luckily we managed to revert the changes and get back to Win8.1. I applied all possible hacks and blocks I knew of to prevent it from happening again.
Same here. These updates happened frequently, and the process to prevent a forced upgrade was constantly changing. During an internship at a police station, I even had a police computer in a locked room that no one went into automatically switch to Win10 without any user interaction or consent (which was illegal to have on a police computer at the time).
@@nintendoduderock212 This is what happened to me. I had an auto-update occur that was ONLY permitted because it was a security update. Yet for some reason Microsoft snuck windows10 onto my computer and very nearly bricked it. I hadn't allowed windows10 because I KNEW my computer would have difficulty running it. I KNEW software I required for my senior research in college was not compatible with windows10. If I hadn't made a backup, I would have been screwed.
Yeap, it definitely auto updated to Win10... saw it twice. Extra annoying that there is widespread denial
I never paid attention the the update KB packages but never experienced any of this. Was it version dependent? I had win 7 pro on all of my machines. Maybe the home versions were targeted more aggressively?
I want to take a moment to thank Microsoft for making Windows 10 and 11, without them I wouldn't have deep-dived into Linux and found something I really love. I really hope people switch so we get a bigger and more curated to userbase, because the reality is the reason Linux has compatibility issues and isn't user friendly is because it has a small userbase and most of them are power-users.
I have started to use Linux for work, and while I still need windows for some things, I plan to clone my drive so I have a safe backup and install Linux in duel boot in the near future. I use cloud server versions of Linux so I am running it 100% by command prompt, but it was the experience I needed to get comfortable using it.
When is the last time you installed or used Linux? It is much improved. What you said might have been true 20 years ago, but there are many flavors of Linux that are just as easy to use & maintain as Windows; arguably better because you can avoid the whole spyware controversy.
@@Caseytify I've been using it for a year and a half now. It's definitely fairly user friendly but I've had a lot of people say if you have to do anything in the terminal at all then it's a big scary no for them. And you legit do for a lot of stuff still. (Less so than before seems like though)
Compatibility with programs and substitutes are good but games are 100% still more hassle than 98% of users n PC could deal with. I get less performance in almost everything I game on Linux, sometimes I have to do a bunch of steps to get games to work. Updates to games break them for me, sometimes I'll be 80 hours into a JRPG then get to a point where the game 100% hard locks and cannot pass and I gotta boot into Windows to actually get past.
The problem with the sentiment of hoping to get more users, is if Linux ever became as popular on the desktop as Windows, it would surely suffer the same fate. Linux is what it is BECAUSE of it's limited user base.
@@FlyboyHelosim I doubt that, if someone makes a greedy distro people can ignore it if they want to. I doubt the Linux philosophy would change as a whole but there might be a lot more monetization apps and a few distros. (Which we already got with some things like Zorin and Ubuntu I heard, haven't used those distros myself though)
10 is just okay. Ive always thought it was "just okay". I held on to windows 7 for as long as I could before I basically needed to upgrade for new system parts and software support. 10 Is a hell of allot better than 8, but I hate that menus have inconsistent designs and that half of the time the simplest and most useful version of any of the settings tools is the old windows 7 version. (Most of which are still there for what ever reason.) Also RIP classic theme. I miss my cold metal filing cabinet esthetic. =/
I totally agree. I use retrobar and classic shell to get the classic taskbar experience back
8.1 a lot more stable than 10 and it's a lot faster especially on hdd and older cpus
I really hate the new flat design everything seems to be going with nowadays. having it look all 3D and shiny is so much better
@@namesurname4666 Thats fair, but windows 8 always just felt like the exact same thing as 7 at the core just with a worse UI.
@@Xsroa12345 they also made improvements to explorer and task manager (shows disk usage)
I really like that you mention that the video is essentially audio-only, helps me focus on what I'm meant to be doing instead . :P Great video! :D
Yeah ... The visual part is just for reading comments.
I put off upgrading to Windows 10 for YEARS, I kept downgrading to 7 every single time it tried to force me upwards. Most of my issue with it was the compatibility and the privacy concerns. I use a graphics tablet for my job and the upgrade bricked compatibility with both my tablet and art software.
A couple of years ago I relented and upgraded since I needed a new PC anyway. The compatibility is good enough now and there are tutorials on how to defang the spying aspects with registry keys. I would still rather use 7, but at least 10 is passable now.
Can you suggest ways to start defanging the spying aspects of windows 10 through registry keys for a beginner in the privacy concerned area?
@@dreaper2087 Ditched Windows officially just a couple of weeks ago, but had been testing Linux for over a year on an old laptop and small form factor desktop. I never ever "upgraded" to Windows 10. I stayed on 7 as much as I humanly could. But now I am full Linux
@@dreaper2087 It's gonna be Mint, for now at least. I tried just base Debian but that's more for servers so I couldn't make use of basic daily stuff right away without installing what already comes prepacked in Mint. So Mint it is
Me who made my computer look like Windows 98 Windows blinds on Windows 10 and with the windows debloater thing whatever it's called and who turned off reason why I'm logged into a f****** Microsoft account is because stupid Minecraft Bedrock requires at what chat play with my friends cuz none of my friend cuz some of my friends don't have Java when they should know Java is the better version
@@NatetheNintendofan For real me and my friends hate Minecraft bedrock edition. I remember when I tried java edition for myself, I just stopped playing bedrock edition. Because when I downloaded worlds and mods from old Minecraft videos I watched almost a decade ago. It was so much more fun to play compared to bedrock edition. Plus me being a hybrid Windows and Linux user, it's nice to have a game like Minecraft that supports Linux whenever I'm using Linux.
I smelled rat when they were pushing Windows 10 to me very aggressively. I had been happy enough with my Windows 7. At the time of getting frustrated with this policy I decided to test alternatives. I bought me a new HDD to test Linux Mint 18 on it, dual-booting. After my Windows 7 failed an update and refused to start, I thought: To hell with that crap, I still have one functioning OS in my computer, so I'll learn how to use it. And now I'm happily running Linux Mint 21.1 Cinnamon.
I bailed from Microsoft after WinNT3.51, when they decided they were in the "Licensing" business instead of the "Software Sales" business. The notion that they need to know what you're doing with your software, or that they have the right to decide how you're allowed to use it, was always going to lead here.
What does mean "licence"? Is this address in Gettysburg?
@@wojciechsobiesiak"Licensing" means you essentially have to rent a product, and are at the mercy of its ToS that can retroactively be changed at any time (Unity just recently tried this, but walked it back after the backlash). Since the laws in the U.S. haven't caught up with the times, you can't reasonably take companies to court over it because you will just put yourself into crippling debt.
There are "effectively" zero consumer protections, unless you can get government to see blatant anti trust behavior, which there are technically laws against. As the saying goes, "It takes an act of Congress..."
It's kind of a nightmare when you think about the disregard for people's privacy. Par for the course for capitalism: protect multibillion dollar corporations while treating consumers like livestock.
@@n3rfdr4gon99 How to create multibillion dollar corporation? Where to start ? I have an old C compiler and huge amount of great ideas.
What I hate about 10 is how you can't remove a lot of the news feed and other annoying things on it that I don't really use. XP was pretty good in many ways and did not have these annoying news feed as part of the OS. It also has too many things that load into the memory whether they are used or not.
Yes you can remove the news feed... by right clicking on the taskbar, or through group policy.
@@andreivaughn1468 You've only hidden it, it still caches news in the background.
I've switched from Windows XP, it felt like system has its own personality.
By comparison Linux feels like calculator - predictable tool, always same results.
That’s true for most OSes these days. Windows, Linux and Mac load boatloads and boatloads of background daemons and processes to “facilitate” functionality that one may or may not need, want, and they don’t provide the user with enough knowledge to turn them on and off if they want
@@CyrilCommando you can tweak Linux however you want. My system boots to 220 MB RAM, graphical interface.
Microsoft became too big, to the point that they slap a middle finger to everyone and not worry about what happens next. They need a competition... or rather, something that would crush them.
I left windows after 20+ years in early 2023 after seeing how much worse 11 is and the direction the OS is headed. Linux has 99% of the games I play running like a charm out of the box, the rest I can tinker with and I'm OK with that. Since the people behind windows and the company will not change, there is no chance that they will ever win me back.
You can’t play games on there. 😤
@@nightslasher9384 can't tell if sarcastic, bait, or genuinely misinformed.
Dude’s trolling.
I've looked into it quiet a bit, and it seems like quiet a hassle; I REALLY want to, i've looked into how to use Linux (i've checked out Mint, and PopOS), but after spending many hours trying what it takes to play games, it seems really complicated (though many games seem easy; Most of the games i play aren't supported)...
@R0d_1984 sorry to hear that. I take it those are competitive online mumtiplayer games or games not available on steam. Pretty much anything on steam (and GoG) that does not have invasive anticheat will work, but you can always check protondb for compatibility and tweaks to try. As I said, I'm yet to find a game that doesn't work in my roster.
I had numerous issues on Windows 10, including non-working hardware. I fought it for a few months, but then snapped, wiped the disk clean and installed Linux.
Had no experience prior to that, so the first couple of months weren't the smoothest, but I got the hand of it. Had to replace a few of my programs with Linux alternatives (except AIMP. No good AIMP replacement, unfortunately), while others turned out to be cross-platform with Linux builds available.
Been using it for the last 4 years or so. Reliable, easy to use* and without insane data collection.
*A lot of settings and tools cannot be discovered by clicking around in GUI, but once you learn the right commands or install GUI front ends, accessing them is much faster than navigating the mess of nested menus and sub-menus of Windows.
"easy to use*" is a huge asterisk, the average end user just cannot comprehend linux
@@UJustGotGamed That's only because the " average end user" right now has only ever used windows. Lots of people can, will, and are learning how to use Linux.
@@UJustGotGamed they cannot comprehend windows either
@@swan5825 the vast majority of people do not want to bother with a terminal application
@@UJustGotGamed users proficient in Windows will have a hard time on Linux (like I did), because Linux and Windows are, in fact, different things.
You could compare them to... Gas and Electric cars, for example.
If you were were to switch from a gas car to an electric one, you'd have to break a lot of habits. You no longer can refuel on a gas station in 5 minutes or carry an extra jerrycan of fuel in the trunk. And things under the hood... You'd not find anything familiar there at all.
But doesn't mean that electric cars are incomprehensible to people experienced with gas cars, does it? It just means that they'd have to learn a new system and new habits.
As for people who are complete beginners... it literally doesn't matter which system they'd learn. They'd have to learn something new either way.
The forced update to Windows 10 is real, I caught my laptop part way through downloading windows 10 while I was away for a few moments and managed to stop it.
MS was REALLY tying their hardest to force 10 on my laptop. It happened multiple times actually. Couldn't leave it unattended
If you know which updates will force it into Windows 10, you can prevent it permanently. I'm still using Windows 7. I've got other computers also on Windows 7. I can't remember which updates you needed to block, but you could probably do a web search for it.
Windows 10 is more aggressive in updating itself than Windows 7 was in getting you to Windows 10. It's easier to stop the forced upgrades in Windows 7.
Nevertheless, I now have a little laptop with the original version of Windows 10 installed (yeah, the very first non-preview, non-release candidate, RTM version -- in 2015-2017, can't remember the year). I managed to stop it upgrading spontaneously by disabling 2 key services (the BITS and Windows Update services) and a branch of tasks in Task Scheduler. I figured it out and now I don't have to do anything anymore until I restart the laptop.
I can't remember if I had to do anything last time it restarted . . . but, it doesn't take long to shut down the forced upgrade if it restarts and the services/tasks I disabled are re-enabled.
Subsequent versions are obviously "smarter" and take more effort to disable, but I haven't upgraded that laptop yet, so I don't have to worry about it now.
@@tomsmith6513 the windows 10 free upgrade thing ended years ago so its not a problem anymore
@@AaronLeth Didn't you just say you had a forced update to Windows 10?
@@tomsmith6513 yes, but that was during the free windows 10 upgrade thing at windows 10 launch.
that program ended ages ago
@@AaronLeth oh I see. Your original message was written almost entirely in past tense. It sounded like it was recent. I think it was still possible to upgrade until recently. Maybe it still is. I'm not talking about the upgrade process initiated by Windows Update. There were other ways to do it, and those methods might still work.
I remember when taking a cyber security exam in university, I was asked to describe spyware, to which I responded with "Windows", I scored about 1 std deviation above average, lol.
I'm grateful for Windows 10 because it made me switch to Linux.
What Linux do you use I need one for gaming something easy to use if you don't mind me asking
@@SadPuppySoup linux mint, ubuntu or Pop!_OS, either way all linux distros are easy to use honestly, people like to over claim how difficult it is, it's not, at most if you wanna do something you can't figure out how to do via the UI, you google it get a line of code you paste into the terminal and it does it.
If you had gone into cyber security as a job - I'm a red team lead - you would realise what a bad idea it was to stick to Win7, as some crazies did.
I love *nix & Windows both, just the same as I like both cats & dogs: each for different reasons.
Those complaining about the privacy facet sure better have a custom smartphone OS that they maintain, and make minimal to zero use of social media. Otherwise they're clearly selective about when their privacy matters.
I'm in the same boat right now! I'm in the process of switching to Zorin OS.
Unfortunately, Zorin's installation keeps running into errors...errors which can be attributed to the damage left in Windows 10's wake, it seems. 😒
@@1seb11 skill issue.
I really really don't want to go upgrade to win11, I don't care about "The AI OS" BS they say, the AI is probably the data collection machine to make ads more personalized and getting eerily specific everytime you enter a web
The best part is how they're branding Windows 11 as an "AI OS" when it came out BEFORE all the AI stuff blew up in late 2022. They crammed some AI stuff into Win11 later as an update but are trying to gaslight people into thinking that was always what Win11 was supposed to be. 🙄
Your OS serves you ads? And you paid for that?
It's the same for Windows 11. I've had to deploy a registry edit to all PC's across my company that disables the prompts to upgrade Windows 10 to 11. In my case we have an app that will not function correctly, even on a clean install. FYI, ShutUp10 is a great product.
unlike windows 10, windows 11 is hard-coded to spy on you so you can't disable it with registry edits.
Then do an update, and they reverse that registry. It's such a cat-and-mouse game with this scumbag of a company
Registry edit to "all PCs across company"...?
Do you not have them in Active Directory domain?
Simple gpo will fix it...
Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Windows Updates for Business > Select the target Feature Update version > Windows 10, 21H2....😅
@@symix. he did say deploy, so maybe he meant that he was using AD. But even when I try to deploy a change through AD using GPO, I find myself having to go to a handful of computers to force the update.
@@symix. Not all of them are on AD, no. I used Endpoint Central to deploy it.
The automatic upgrade thing was a nightmare. I ended up fixing hundreds of computers that were upgraded without the customers permission. I even had a customer who was a small business where all of their computers were upgraded automatically over the weekend. They came in Monday morning to their proprietary software not working. They ended up loosing thousands of dollars worth of work and it took me and my partner over 25 hours of labor just to repair all of the PCs.
How did Microsoft not get sued over that?
I would use windows 7 today, if it was supported. I loved it so much, tried win 11 for a week, i went back to to 10 again.
I'm still using Windows 7, but my PC was costume built back in 2015. It still runs great, just had to buy a new graphics card a few months back. Eventually I'll have to get a new PC and probably move on to Windows11 or whatever garbage Microsoft puts out. Maybe I'll start learning Linux on a second computer and stop using Microsoft trash.
The only way I got comfortable with win10 was installing Open shell and setting the start menu like win7 but I still and always will hate what they did with the settings. It used to be all in order but the kids at Microsoft thought they had a better idea. It's real frigging aggravating when I go to a customers boat to diagnose his running issues and I have to tell him he will have to wait for Microsoft to update my laptop because the updates waiting in the background has slowed my computer to the point that I can't use it until it completes the update. Meanwhile he is aggravated because he is anxious to fish the one day that month that he can but one, his boat engine developed problems and secondly Microsoft has also screwed over his fishing day.
I also run Open Shell along with Windows Blinds and OldNewExplorer. The UI is just attrocious otherwise. I still have a dual-boot with Windows 7.
@@jasonbourneistreadstone Don't use windows 11, you have to click like 4 times to bring up your network settings because they really want to force you to use the setting menu, which is not like windows 10 lol.
@@VikingDudee Yup! Exactly right. One of my friends upgraded her laptop to Windows 11 and was trying to mirror a stream to one of her Smart TV's. She had done this before under Windows 10 very simply and quickly.
Turns out, the places she had to go to to do the same thing were nowhere you'd expect them to be in the UI. And instead of a quick 3 steps, she spent 15+ minutes before she was able to figure it out and finally do it. I was there with her also at the time.
The whole UI is absolutely horrible.
I also put a Policy Setting in my Windows 10 install that prevents any forced upgrades. Just in case.
the update in the background isn't slowing down your computer... get a grip.
You absolutely hit the nail on the head about Microsoft needing more competition in the desktop space. Though I've had few of the issues that you mention many users had with Windows 10 (crashing, forced updates, incompatibility, etc) I still prefer to use Linux as my go-to for most desktop uses (outside of gaming). Why? Because I, just like most people, hate the direction that Microsoft has been taking their OS as of late. I want to use something else to do my part to curb Microsoft's dominance on the desktop, however little a difference it makes (also, I just like Linux). Microsoft is only doing this anti-consumer garbage because they know they can get away with it. Here's to hoping that Chrome OS, Steam OS, Mac OS, and hopefully more can help break up Microsoft's monopoly, and put an end to their dominance.
At this point I recommend people buying Macbooks instead of Windows laptops, or installing Linux, unless they want to play games. Windows is just so fsr behind the competition and it's both powerful because of, and held back by, its own legacy.
Heck, hardly anyone even gets a choice in the matter. You're paying for windows with almost any computer you can buy, even if you install some other OS later.
@@dreaper2087 true. I'm mainly referring to people who say that "windows is the #1 operating system for a reason" as if the average non-technical person has any choice in the matter and even knows how to switch their OS.
I would say, isn't Chrome owned by Google? Google is as bad as Microsoft with the spying and collecting the data of their users.
I don’t know about how much of the pie Linux and ChromeOS has (and Chrome is worse than Windows imo), but I know MacOS is gaining traction since they transitioned to their own chips.
I love Windows 10. Thanks to its release and discontinuation of Windows 7 I've switched to Linux permanently. Turns out it was a very good decision.
You actually can get new updates for Windows 7 and in my opinion, Win10 is not that bad
Thanks for making this video fully enjoyable with just audio, helps the deaf community and people who don’t have the time to devote their full attention to it
I miss windows 7 so mutch it's unreal.
Win7isters... its over.
not me, it's working just awesomely (ok, not quite but satisfactorily) on one of my no internet machines and i'm about to upgrade another from windoze 10 home to 7Pro. My i3 super cheapie that a friend recently gave me will still have 10 on it for now. i have two other machine, one is needing a slight repair and it's my favorite- running 7 pro. the last machine i would like to dedicate to graphics and audio only, unfortunately i may have to rum 10 on that one because Davinci Resolve. i treat old computers as somewhat dedicated machines that just do their job and keep doing their job, rarely updating or upgrading anything- that what my newer machines are for.
So use it then. LOL
This shit happened to me both on Windows 7 to 10 and then 10 to 11.
Dropped windows ever since, and now I am 100% Windows free.
What distro did you settle on?
@@dreaper5813 at the moment I am on Fedora 38 for my sound engineering job and content creation. I simply love the stability it provides me.
On my laptop, where the fun and experimental stuff happens, I have Arch.
Currently I am waging my options and will make the jump to NixOS on my work machine, since it has great stability and a great backup system, as well as the way the package manager works (I know it is available in all distros, but I want it fully integrated on the Nix enviorenment). I am just finishing mixing and mastering a music album and will make the jump when I have the open window to do so.
@@dreaper2087 I try to do it whenever I can. Reaper users are the easiest, the jump is seemless. Now ProTools, Cubase, Piramix and others is more complicated as these options do not run under WINE. FL Studio and Ableton do like they were native, and the performance is better than Windows in some aspects.
I changed 2016 to Linux Ubuntu. This ended the window terror for all time. Under Linux, my 2003 scanner works without any installation, just plugged in.
Windows 10 isn't as bad as people make it out to be for usability in my opinion. However, yes, all of the intrusive telemetry / software management is a HUGE concern. For the longest time I told myself I couldn't switch to Linux because incompatibility of games / software. Yet, I switched about 7 months ago & have no reason to go back- I plunged into all of the FOSS alternatives and their learning curves.. Now I'm free. Sure, I might have to sacrifice a couple of games or some convenience, but there's a whole lot to love about what Linux has to offer too.. It's getting good nowadays. Fedora hasn't let me down yet- very stable.
I know it sucks peeps. You should have way more control over the software you pay for, but big corporations will continue to abuse your privacy for their gain. At the end of the day, it's just business for them. I wish you guys the best of luck with 'em🤘
Also long after win 7 support was over Microsoft added update/updates which brick your computer.
Had at least few devices bricked like that and few people around me had similar situation.
At first I assumed my SSD just broke, but after replacing it a week later again got bricking update.
Basically needed to format hard drive before even attempting to install any other OS.
Thanks god I have always had disabled updates as the very first task after installing or commissioning Windows.
I heard about a Windows update that changes the PUE flags on the storage? "PUE" i'm not sure about it called "PUE" but, the flags can be associated with power managment of storage. Also, i agree with you, even if they not completely brick it, they put a lot of telemetry that slow it down, or speed up storage degradation.
@@TheSimoc Ditto. I hadn't trusted MS for a while, so hearing this makes me more iffy on them. Though it's not any worse than Apple who intentionally slow your phones down to 'encourage' you to get a new phone.
@@erascarecrow2541 Yes. And also Google makes Android phones slower by pushing updates with ever-increasing bloat.
This is exactly why I have kept all auto-updates OFF on ALL my my digital devices I've ever owned.
Remember the Windows XP's end-of-life fear mongering a decade back? Well, all the sudden many people's old WinXP devices started slowing down to an absolute crawl.
I was tasked to try and help these old wormboxes the best I could. In the end I discovered that it was the Windows Update app itself using up to 99% of CPU and RAM, at once!
Disabled the progress, and boom - the system ran fluid and fast once again. An absolute scam if I say so.
I know several cases where a Windows 10 PC was automatically updated to Windows 11 without user consent, and why haven't people complained like they did with W10? Microsoft is doing the same dirty tactic but this time many don't seem to care.
As for Windows 10, barring a few issues I had with the infamous version 1809 (I didn't lose any archive, by the way), my experience has been positive. In fact, a while ago I went back to Windows 10 after several bugs with Windows 11, and since then my PC is way faster and more stable.
everyone is much more docile now with "ohh, its just the way it is i guess..." and younger generations arent as tech savy as before. Yes, they regressed
That’s why after my PC died instead of getting a Windows 11 computer I got a MacBook Air. After Windows 8 and 10 I’m done with Microsoft as a whole. I only use Office 365 for school (doing it online) but other than that I’m out of Microsoft’s ecosystem. So much so that I haven’t even bought an X-Box since the 360, I get Sony’s PlayStation and soon a Nintendo Switch.
Well for a start, Windows 11 is pretty much just Windows 10 but with a new GUI. The transition from a watered-down 10 to a watered-down 11 is surely easier than a fully-fledged Windows 7 to a watered-down Windows 10.
@@imperfectxennial3008 And now you're in Apple's ecosystem. From shit to worse.
That happen to me about a year ago.
I had specifically declined the update and mentioned i did not want it and was not interested. They have offered me the update a few times in the following months too, but I also refused. I was however a little lazy about going into the registry or something to stop that.
Few weeks later, I woke up to w11. It messed up all my system. I was pissed.
I pulled out a backup drive, restored from it, and also turned off a chip in the BIOS setting that render my pc “incompatible” for w11
They havent ever tried to offer me w11 update ever since I have disabled that damned TPM chip. Hell, in over a year since, they havent even mentioned w11’s existance a single time since I turned that chip off…
I however knew of microsoft’s scummy policies. My father’s dekstop himself was forced updated to w10 back in 2014 or 2015 overnight
Weve got to the point where its better off to have hardware “incompatible” with new systems(even if its just faked by disabling shit)
I still watch, but having that audio only ability is really good, hope the analytics are good cause id love you to countine doing this
Fun watch. Thanks. Channel is a good find. Subscribed. Cheers.
Yeah, after MS pulled that stunt with the ninja updates i knew that Windows 7 was my last MS product.
I'm a happy Linux user now, though i used Linux on and off since the late 90's.
Gaming works a treat thanks to Proton and everything else just feels so much less toy-ish.
I've been planning to switch to linux for a while now. Could you give me some advice on which distribution to choose?
@@maddyv5948 I chose simplicity and ease of use. I went with Linux Mint. Everything just works and it is based on Debian/Ubuntu. Yes i went the easy way, but i knew that the underlying Distro is something i am deeply familiar with so i can fix things if south becomes north.
I have to add that i use both AMD CPUs and GPUs, which is making the transition very easy. For nV support, there are distros that are specialized on that, however, i am not.
But as of Summer `23 Debian 12 might be the better choice. I can't believe these words are leaving my mouth but D12 ist the most modern of any long term supported desktop distros out there.
Use a beginner distro first.
Linux Mint is the best starting point for Linux newbies.
@@solteszan thanks for the advice, I'll try it out. I've been experimenting in virtualbox, trying to install different things like debian and arch. I've gotten a feel for the process but I'm too afraid to do it for real. Any tips on things to look out for?
@@maddyv5948 learn the basics of the console. Not because of swag or bragging rights. But because what ever distro you will use, things on the console are mostly linux wide.
And if they aren't you'll easily spot that and replace commands to suit your needs.
It's not that you really need that, but if you come across something that you really wanna do that isn't even a thing in windows you can just do it.
Nobody is suggesting that you become a keyboard warrior, but just like driving a car, it is worth knowing how to change tires or oil.
Windows 10 was the reason for me to complete my transition to Linux. In addition to the egregious offenses listed here, it also made all updates (definitely not upgrades) involuntary so that the OS ran them at whatever moment was least convenient for user and forced unwanted and even harmful updates onto the customer against our will. I was using an older PC with a 4th gen Intel Core and the built-in Intel graphics. Windows 10 persistently forced updates to an incompatible video driver, escalating to doing so immediately after I re-installed the proper driver downloaded from Intel.
My roommate still uses that old computer with Debian as its operating system and I'm running Arch on one compatible with Windows 11, but which has never had Windows installed on it and never will.
As of 10, Windows is malware in and of itself. Windows 10 is the single biggest boost in popularity that the Free and Open Source community has ever received.
I remember going through the issue you mention with Windows installing an incompatible driver every time it was booted, and having to fight it to just get the proper driver installed. I belive it was for a Wi-Fi dongle.
M$: Is your OS not the current one? You MUST upgrade. Is your hardware not less than three years old? You MUST use this driver, whether it works or not.
Windows kept breaking my audio until, thanks to a youtube video, I was finally able to prevent Microsoft from replacing my audio driver with their broken audio driver.
windows 11 is a lot worst, you are lucky to escape.
It was a compulsory video driver for me too.
Try as I might and despite my hardware listed as compatible there was no way to make it survive one update and reboot. Fresh installs the lot.
That machine now runs Mint with an offline Win7 to dual boot into for music production.
This laptop with 10 on it will go Mint when 10 comes to an end and that will be me and Microsoft done.
I look forward to the glut of all that still recent hardware that's suddenly going to be available.
That will be my upgrade.
It wasn't persuasion. It was Ransomware. I still believe we should collectively push for a class action lawsuit.
I tried Ubuntu for 3 months on my primary workstation in 2022. Eventually i had to change cause there were parts of my job that i quite simply, could not do on Linux, most software is written for Windows and unless Wine picks up the pace. Linux wont go anywhere.
And what parts were those? Be specific.
Always waiting for your videos...
Same
I wonder.. did people notice that Microsoft moved the buttons around? You think you hit Don't .. and it has suddenly switched place with Do, so to speak. I noticed that at least a couple of times while I were holding out for 10 to mature. I never saw an attempt to automatically update it, but I certainly saw shenanigan pop-ups which if you clicked out of habit, would just quietly cause it to happen later. Read every damn jack in the box, people
Microsoft completely alienated me with their "aggressive tactics", trying to trick, bully, nag and finally simply ignore my refusal to upgrade when they wanted me to. In 2018 I realised I didn't own my own PC any more while windows was running on it, and switched to Linux, which I have happily used ever since.
Excellent summary of the upgrade process of Windows 10. Well done.
I think the future will be on the Linux KVM, you run which ever delicious flavour of Linux you like, and still keep Windows inside a little window for what ever software or experience you will need while using Linux as the base OS and upgrade only when you like or feel like it, heck you can even have the same old interface you want from the 1990s (OpenStep) on Linux, so it's all good. Windows will just be compartmentalized, it will still be there for those who need it or lover it or whatever.
You are completely out of touch from the average man
Windows 10 is the reason I went full on into Linux.
More than 90% of my games run perfectly fine on Linux and I have over a thousand in my steam library.
To top it off most of my games on the epic game store and GOG also work fine.
And what I wasn't expecting was EA games not working but they are
Hi bro, is there a website where we can check if game I want /have to check if Linux can run them good?
@@A1stardan protondb (for steam games) and winehq (for non steam games)
older collection of games, I mean anything before 2015 has a bigger chance to run trouble free on linux than on win 10 or 11. I experimented it with many games. it's simply because most of them were 32bit coded, and linux can make i386 arch working on top of x64. And quite frankly the majority of best games on pc were published before 2015 (with few exceptions of course).
My friend has Windows 10 and he "turned off Cortona" but when he speaks it still listens and some times replies, so no maters what it still hears you, that's why I am on windows 11, stay safe!
I had an old machine with DOS 3.3 and Win95 on a dual boot setup.
While in DOS I ran the old "Nortons Anti Virus" program.
It flagged "win.exe" and a bunch of other core code files of the Win95 installation as "INFECTED"...
Looks like Peter Norton KNEW what he was talking about doesn't it...
It flagged them as "infected" because they contain code for doing low-level hardware reads and for writing to the boot sector of your hard drive so that Windows starts up correctly.
@@wasd____ I knew that while reading the OP, but I laughed anyway because why wouldn't you? :) We knew Windows was just as scummy as malware in the 90s.
@@eekee6034 How else do you propose to make Windows boot if you don't like that it's being "scummy" by writing the boot sector with the proper startup instructions?
@@wasd____ Not that. I mean it was 'scummy' in that it was released to a world full of viruses and a developing internet, but had basically no built-in security.
I've been a Linux Mint user ever since Windows Vista and I used to be a windows techie all the way back to windows 3.1 (Janus)...
Ooooooh.....I looooved❤ VISTA, best windows version EVVVERRR.
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
10 never worked properly for me from day one. In fact my first encounter turned my pc into a brick. Had to reload 8.1. The last time I used it, I was forced to due to unexpected hardware upgrades. That was 9 months of hell. Eventually I jumped ship and am now on Linux Mint. Never been happier. Was quite a learning curve. But worth it in the end. Despite the issues I encounter from time to time, which are getting less. I've had WAY less issues with it than my experience with all the problems with 10. And for programs that don't work on it there are alternatives for most and it is only one's willingness to use them that holds many back.
As for the forced updates from Microsoft. We had them try that on one of our business laptops. Luckly I caught it in time and my brother who knows more about computers than me, managed to permanently block it from ever trying again. Some people were not so lucky and reports of them loosing all their info was all over the net.
One thing I noticed were tech influencers here on UA-cam. During the whole Windows 10 debacle, there was some SERIOUS hand-waving of Microsoft's practices with Windows 10. And their arguments seemed to all line up at damn near the same time. So much so, I suspect that many tech influencers may have received money to toe the Microsoft line.
I recall one argument that grew quickly in popularity some time after they could no longer deny that this was spyware (since someone noted that Windows 10 fit Microsoft's own definition of spyware). That argument was, "Well what do you expect from a free operating system?" To which most people rallied around Linux as the obvious answer, and then that debate could be had.
But I took a different route. "What about when it's not free? Does the spyware go away?" The "free" "upgrade" to Windows 10 was supposed to only last 1 year. So what happens on day 366? You can no longer get your free upgrade, so you have to go and buy Windows 10. Or what happens if I don't want the spyware and I just opt to pay for Windows 10 during the free upgrade period? Is the spyware gone because I paid for my copy now?
Spoiler: No, it's still there. And it's AGGRESSIVELY still there. Peter Bright, formerly of Ars Technica, and probably the largest Microsoft apologist I've ever read a review from, couldn't get Windows 10 to stop phoning home. And boy howdy, did he try.
To the point in the video, though, related to "did we just grow accustom to spyware, or what," I'd have to say this is the power of a monopoly. If the vast majority of people are forced to use something, then whoever makes that something gets to dictate what normal looks like. I suspect we were prepped with online services like Facebook and Amazon. But these are optional services. If you're going to get a computing device, chances are that it's going to be a Windows based device.
Save for phones, of course. That is, fortunately, one area where Microsoft waited too long to get into the game. Don't @ me about Windows Mobile. That wasn't a mobile OS.
Thanks for mentioning that I can listen to the video while doing something else. I appreciate that greatly!
Once you strip out the invasive telemetry Windows 10 is fine, particularly as a successor to Windows 7. The thing Windows 7 purists don't realize is that much of the telemetry was backported to that OS silently over time hidden in system updates so a person running 10 with the telemetry explicitly blocked is reporting less to MS than a normal install of 7 if up to date with updates.
Windows 10 was fine until you had to deal with system breaking updates.
We, the "Windows 7 purists" have solved that by refusing to download any "update" bloat crap. And better yet using XP, the last good Windows, as long as possible, which is nowadays largely unsupported unfortunately, but still use it on my secondary machine for every so often for things that are still possible. Simply so much better.
@@TheSimoc Enjoy being part of the botnet, the rest of us greatly appreciate it.
@@elcapitan008 Sadly for the others, I refuse to be a part of M$ botnet. It is always amusing to see how those who preach the most about the "danger" of not having up-to-date software, have the least hint about what is constantly happening behind their own backs and under their own hoods. User has lots to do with for whom to keep doors open and for whom not, and the older and simpler system, the more control user has. If running XP or 7 without updates was really that dangerous as the hysteria marketers want us to believe, we would all have been running botnets since day one, and honestly, we should then never have commissioned XP or 7 in first place, and even less we should 10 or 11, because the cruel truth is, that they do contain exponentially more vulnerabilities yet to be found out, due to order of magnitude of more code bloat they have, equalling to more attack vectors and more unscrutinized code with which less and less developer persons are familiar with.
@@TheSimoc Buddy is out here writing a manifesto on why its a great idea to use an OS on the internet with double digit CVEs of easy to use exploits anyone can run remotely. Again, we all appreciate you being an easy target that makes us all less safe. Bravo.
I dual booted Linux with WIndows because of a couple FPS games I played (Destiny 2, Halo MCC, & the odd PUBG match) since 2017. Earlier this year I ditched Destiny 2 (the one I played most) so I decided to just completely leave Windows outside of repairing customer systems. I'd rather have a distro like Arch that respects my privacy and treats me as a person and not a product. Can I debloat Windows telemetry spyware? Sure I can, but I don't want to have to do that and be vigilant for the next big update that decides to disrespect my settings. Arch & Fedora are my home now, can't say I miss anything from Windows at this point.
Ah, a fellow Arch enjoyer.
But do you use Arch BTW?
Nice, Am on ArcoLinux and Fedora. Getting closer to Arch ;) . I only boot into Windows if I have to for gaming, though I was running bnet games and discord fine in Linux for a few months.
Been a computer user since the very early DOS days and as I grew up I started using and experimenting with many forms of OS (including OS/2, Linux and so on). At the most basic level, all an OS is supposed to do is run your system and the many UI variants out there, before Windows, at the time were there as "ease of use" type programs. Take Windows 3. It worked in one window where all other windows had to work in. There are some pieces of free software that were included but in essence, it was an OS that had a graphical user interface. As time went on, more software was included in the OS. So, we fast forward to today where the OS and the UI are integrated, for greater stability, and there are even more pieces of software included in the package. The main thing that changed, even more than the software was the User License Agreement which got you to, more and more over time, agree that you will share certain pieces of information (but unlike then, the information is just more defined). If you don't agree, go elsewhere. For the purpose of transparency, I dual-boot Linux and Windows 10.
So where do you go? MacOS? Well, you can only get that if you purchase an Apple product and its compatibility can be a consideration. Linux? Well, Linux is a good OS, and it's free, no doubt it IF the average Joe could use it properly. Although it has come a long way since its inception, it's far from the easy-to-use nature of Windows and it's even worse in the metrics that matter. The numbers show this too. According to the most recent Steam survey, 99.88% of all users are Windows (7 through to 11) and only 0.12% run other OSs, and this is for gamers. In terms of just pure PC usage, 70% use Windows, 20% use MacOS, 3.2% ChromeOS, 3.2 Linux and the remaining 3.6% are marked as other. These numbers are not accidental and haven't been for a long time now. Windows is popular, no matter how bad it is, because it's designed from the outset, to be as compatible, stable and easy to use as possible out of the box. For the majority of PC users, including PC gamers, easy-to-use and no-nonsense usage is what most want. Nothing more. If there are privacy concerns at all, most users would freely give up those privacies they are willing to let go of.
So, going back to where we started, the nasty business of Windows 10, and now Windows 11. A fair few of the comments state that they would or already have moved their operations onto Linux, albeit with some caveats, usually dual booting or VMs for compatibility. For Linux, the software is its biggest compatibility hurdle and while it is improving, it's slow and targeted to specific sectors. Ultimately, your choice of OS is determined by you. You don't like Windows? So what? Most people don't give a shit that you don't like Windows while making their OS purchase. What my comment comes down to is that what OS you use is up to you. If you didn't like the fact that, as in the video, Windows 10, and now Windows 11, is being forced on you and you don't like its current User Agreement, then don't use it. Take it off your system. No one is asking you to use something you don't like. There are other viable OS out there for you to use but if you want something that is going to be easy to use and stable, out of the box, then Windows is the way to go, even with all the security and privacy issues that it has going for it.
wow, I thought I was alone when I told people my Windows 7 laptop upgraded to 10 without my consent overnight. it slowed my laptop down a lot.
I always bypass online account requirements and create an offline one. I of course make sure to stay offline during this process. After that, I run a bunch of tools and scripts to debloat and remove as much of the bs as possible on any new installation I do. No joke, they're so pathetic! I only boot into Windows for some short edits and stuff. The rest is done in Linux. Microsoft can gtfo and die!
Nice video!😊😊
Damn right, I did this for a few years until I was finally sure I didn't need any software I couldn't run in wine or a virtual machine, felt so good to scrub that ssd clean...
Sam here been using Linux as my daily driver for 2 years now. never going back to windows
There was always a way to block all the telemetry of Win10, easy, and with one click; Spybot Anti-Beacon. As well as a few other 3rd party programs that did the same thing. But when you have to get a 3rd party program to block all of it, that in itself is a problem.
Can we not block telemetry exe's, etc, from accessing the Internet with the Windows (or any other) firewall?
At work I have been able (or, at least, so it looks) from blocking Onedrive with Windows firewall (I do NOT want my files to be stored on Microsoft servers).
I remember buying my first PC and having Windows 7 on it.
Windows 7 told me that my CPU is not supported anymore and I would have to upgrade to Win10 to maintain all features (i7 7700 at that time)
That was a lie and I had an Win10 after that.
I reinstalled win7 and stuck with it until many games started to slash its support.
After getting annoyed with ads and constant pop ups to upgrade and forcing me to log in to my Microsoft account upon installation, I was was fed up. (Win11)
I installed Nobara Linux and stuck with it.
It’s been pretty solid so far.
Games that do not work, I simply play them in console.
LOL! My first computer had DOS 3.2 and no mouse.
I remember when I got my first personal laptop around 2015 - 2016 (which is now used as a portable Linux laptop). It had Windows 10, which at the time I wasn't as tech savvy as I am now. So I didn't care, despite Windows XP being the first Windows OS I've used. I personally enjoyed using Windows 10, almost a year ago I upgraded to Windows 11. And I personally like Windows 11. But in some places I still use Windows 10 so that I don't run into compatibility issues, plus I like Windows 10 more than 11.
what bothers me the most about the W10 automatic updates is that people went to bed w/ their pc running overnight
WHO DOES THAT
Everyone. In the 90s, we heard all these reasons about why it's not good for your computer to keep switching it on and off. I don't remember the reasons, but in the 00s & 10s I usually had servers running, albeit under Linux and not Windows.
I remember I left my computer on to download a game overnight and windows downloaded the win10 update and forced the update. Afterwards, not only did it run like ass, but when I reverted to 7, my computer never ran the same and forced me to get a replacement computer. I dread it happening again now.
The last Windows I used in my private environment was Windows 7 Pro, even though I never really liked Windows, this was the most solid version for me. Nowadays I only use Linux and MacOS, I am very happy that I said goodbye to Windows many years ago. In my business environment I have to use Windows 10/11 and it is a nightmare, it feels like Microsoft is permanently changing the user experience with each update without asking the user - the worst thing is that MS regularly resets personal tweaked configuration settings in the process, no MS, I do not want to use Adobe Reader for PDFs......ahhhrrrg 🤬
The only reason I used to use windows is for gaming, which was totally optional for me. so after seeing how steam is providing more and more games playable on linux through steamplay, I just could not help but move over to linux yet again. For the four months I used windows, it has been a constant pain in the ass. I think this time the move over to linux is going to be a permanent one. BTW I would highly recommend Zorin OS or MX Linux to anyone wanting to move over to linux.
Maybe it's just because I knew how to hack the crap out of it, but I never hated Windows 10. That's not to say it's good lol. Just, it works for what I want to use it for, which is games lol. Anything important I need to do will get gone on my Linux laptop. What IS really crappy about Windows, and I don't know if this started with 10 or 8, but there is an option enabled by default called "fast startup" that literally hijacks your wifi card (and maybe other components too, I'm not sure) in such a way that even if you completely wipe your hard drive and install a different OS, that new OS cannot use the wifi. I had to reinstall Windows, go into the power settings for what the power button does, and disable the fast startup crap to force it to change whatever bit it toggled in my wifi firmware. THEN I was able to wipe and install Linux with useable wifi. Just a little tip for any Windows users that want to make the switch.
Wow, I've hated fastboot and the issues it caused since they introduced it, but that's an issue I wasn't aware of. Thanks for mentioning it.
Thanks for the fastboot tip. I might need that.
Thank you for the info about the video being mainly audio, that's appreciated. But why in the world put words in the script that you then go on to self-center, making it hard to understand the sentence and creating an uncomfortable, unexpected sound?
Well, this old boy quit at MS Windows 10, and rocks GNU Linux these days. A lot of credit to the people behind Mint, because their updates are flawless.
The "forced upgrade issue" seems to be existent with Win11, too. As two small YT creators I watch independantly from one another claimed it happened to them over night, ruining their setups.
I know, I don't know them personally, so I cannot 100%ly confirm their claims, but they seem to be trustable... So there is something in the bushes....
I remember when I brought my laptop with a fresh install of Windows 10 to my grandma's place during vacation so that I could play games in the evening. It didn't go as planned as you had to have an internet connection in order to log in to your mandatory microsoft account which wasn't the case as my grandma lives in the countryside so she doesn't have any Wi-Fi
Nothing like needing an internet connection to play solitaire.
The IT at my work blocked the connection so no solitaire for anyone.
no 4G data?
@@annother3350 forget 4G. There's not even "E"... and for a good reason, they want face-to-face conversation rather than be like zombies🧟 staring at their phones📱
@@r.a.6459 There's a happy medium in between!
The windows 10 installing on its own thing made my Surface 3 Non Pro a brick that can turn on and make windows login sounds before I close it because it only has 2GB of memory and the "SSD" that I was advertised was the main storage device on the tablet was actualy just a soldered on micro SD with slightly better performance.
I managed to eventually get Debian 12 on the device recently thanks to the community working on the surface kernel, this has made the device usable again for basic word processing, calender management and the other basic applications you'd expect to use on a tablet.
We need to stay strong in these hard times
I switched to linux when Microsoft pushed me on "edge"..🤣 And I was positively suprised and wont look back.👏
Been using Mint myself on half my systems, and RetroArch on a refurbished Gaming system which runs out of the box ready to go. Much nicer than Windows. Though some systems aren't emulated yet. :(
Originally, Win10 was buggy as all get at. Had to rebuild my PC several times during the first few years. Now, it's a very solid OS and refuse to upgrade to Win11. My old PC cannot upgrade to 11 anyway, but my new one gets the nag every other month and have to say no. lol
:)
Back when Win10 released my mom accidentally installed it on our family PC from 2011. It could barely open the start menu. In the end we went back to Win7, and that PC is still running on Win7.
Aww...I think the HERO wallpaper is one of the best things that happened to Windows 10.
I really recommend linux but if you wanna stay on windows there are custom versions of windows, one that i can recommend os altas os.
I was one of those people that got a (faulty) Windows 10 installation forced onto them. I had to spend 3 days to fix a borked up system install I never even agreed to. And with the announcement that Windows 11 was coming out, doesn't support my hardware and has vastly more ads and telemetry I decided to switch over to Linux. There is not a day going by since that where I boot up my PC with actual joy, knowing I won't have to put up with bullshit advertisements and a system that automatically nukes itself without my explicit consent.
Really, give it a test people. Stop supporting a mega corporation that just shits on you
You wasted days of your life trying to undo the damage that Microsoft did and they got off scot-free, they didn't have to compensate you for your time, for wasting your _life._ 😒 So many people's time and lives were wasted. 😠
@@I.____.....__...__ They lost the most valuable thing a company can loose: a potential customer.
@@Finkelfunk
You mean _end user;_ based on the shit in Windwos it's clear the end user is not their _customer._
can anyone tell me what is the program that runs on this computer that shows the light bounces up and down while he speaks?
thank you
Last year, I built a high performance computer. The only reason I went with Win11 is because I found a program called StartAllBack that makes it work and look much like Win7. Also, I found a copy of Win11 that disables telemetry. Win11 isn't so bad when you are able to force it into the doggy-style position you want it to be in, instead of that position that it wants you to be in.
I wouldn't trust the disabling of telemetry, it still does a lot of telemetry, and programs that aren't running start internet connections for no fking good reason
+1 For StatAllBack. Been using it for a good year or so now and has been great . A lot better than vanilla win11 anyway.
I found a copy of Win11 that disables telemetry < link
@@TomSmith-sr2br good fken luck posting links, you get disabled if you do that. Heck, you can't even post python code because it looks like a url.
@@fss1704 WOW, ok thanks.
I've given up on Windows. 10 was passable but had to many issues with privacy and changes to the UI left over from Windows 8 that I hated. If it was more like Windows 7 on the UI I'd have been much happier. Then they started rolling out Windows 11 with required online accounts. At that point I switched to Linux and I'm much happier. Your mileage may vary but if you have an older PC I'd say give different Linux flavors a try. Linux Mint has been my go to but there's Ubuntu and others that may offer you what you are looking for. Once you get it the way you like it on the older PC you can switch over on your current PC if you like. Up to you though what you want to live with.
Well when you look at what it had to contend with (WIndows 8 and 8.1), it was a no brainer updating to 10. That being said, it's still a privacy nightmare and it's only getting worse with 11. Unfortunately with a lot of hardware and software still not being supported on Linux, there's not much choice but keeping a copy hanging around when you need it.
the comments here are really inspirational and i want to say thank you to all the people helping others ween themselves off the teet of microsoft, just remember when you're arguing with them about something that makes no sense to you, that it was an abusive relationship and lots of people have stockholm syndrome so they still think they love windows, so be easy on them, they'll come around eventually...
i upgraded to windows 10, hated it, switched to linux.
i still hate windows 10 and 11 (i prefer 11 because of its design, but its basically a whole load of javascript bullshittery. im not going to use a JS-based OS!)
i never got used to either one, and i still believe that windows peaked at 7/8.1 (8.1 was one of the most stable versions of windows ever).
which DE are you on?
iirc GNOME runs on Javascript :|
Users shouldn't get stuck in the mindset of a "good-bad release cycle" and become blind to the truth. Look at the _Star Trek_ movies; they too were in a bad-good cycle, but fans didn't pull a Vancome Lady and insist _Nemesis_ was good, they acknowledge it was bad. Likewise, the last good Windows was 7 and denying it doesn't help.
Worse, it's not going to get better. Microsoft was always evil towards its competitors, but since Nadella took over, he made it evil to its users as well. Puchaid did the same thing to Google. (Apple, Amazon, Facebook, and Musk were always evil.)
4:05 This screwing with the UI and violating their own UX rules is proof of malice, it's NOT Hanlon's Razor.
4:29 "These forced, non-consensual upgrades could have more insidious consequences" - Indeed. In late 2017, I came home to find Win7 had been "upgraded" to Win10 behind my back and without permission. It was unusable, it "ran" at 0fps to use gaming terminology; the performance was non-existent. I used the roll-back function but it wiped out over 100GB of my files, over 100,000 files were nuked as punishment. 😠
5:07 Microsoft exposing its spying by using the stats to brag about how much Win10 is being used is like cops trying to make false arrests for "obstruction" by saying a person just standing on a sidewalk half a block away with a camera, minding their own business is "hindering" them by sheer virtue of them existing being a "distraction", not realizing it's admitting to be utterly incapable of doing their job and unqualified and needing to be fired.
5:50 Just block ALL Microsoft domains and IPs. What's the worst that could happen, you don't get updates? Meh. Bonus. 🤷
5:57 Um, why do people just accept it when Big Tech use keyloggers? 🤨 It's bad if someone else uses a keylogger on your device, but it's fine when the manufacturer themself does? 🤦
6:11 Windows isn't a free service, it's a PAID product, whether you buy a copy directly or as an extra fee added to a pre-built system. WTF is Microsoft allowed to shove ads into it? 🤨 WTF are TV manufacturers allowed to shove ads into TV menus? WTF are car manufacturers allowed to shove ads into cars? What's next, unremovable ads built into jeans? 😒
6:34 "Improving the Microsoft Services Agreement Privacy Statement for consumers" - To be clear, all that "improvement" means is that they made it more clear how they violate users, not that they stopped violating users.
6:55 Yup, this is how it is now, companies do whatever selfish, greedy, evil things they want to users and users have zero choice. EULAs and TOSes aren't an à la carte settings-menu where you can pick and choose what parts you're okay with; they're all-or-nothing, you either bend over and allow them full access to every orifice, or you are blocked from the entire product/service/site/etc. And they can do that because they know that rejecting it doesn't work since you CAN'T do without; you NEED an OS, a car, a TV, a phone, a doctor, a job, etc. you can't survive in this modern society without all these things. 🤦 Worse, the customer is NO LONGER "always right" because of overpopulation; companies do NOT need you, they have a billion other customers, so if you don't like it, you can gtfo. 🤷 Legislators MUST get involved and stop this rampant abuse.
7:07 He censored "Rock, Paper, Shotgun" to avoid YT's absurd nonsense. 🤦 YT hates good videos.
7:13 Putting crap in a "contract" doesn't let you do whatever crimes you want; multiple courts have ruled various EULAs and TOSes as not just invalid/void, but _illegal._ For example, the classic Microsoft "by opening this box, you agree to the enclosed agreement". 😒
7:52 This post is an example of how companies like Microsoft, Google, and such are KILLING PEOPLE! Okay, I'm being a little hyperbolic, but their garbage, evil, selfish, greedy actions cause countless people to waste countless hours of their lives trying to deal with it, trying to undo the damage, trying to fix these problems just to try to get as close as possible back to where they already were in Win7. Microsoft is STEALING TIME AND LIVES. 😠
(Also, his jab at his father for being "an old person" for not liking the new Windows design is stupid. Changing UIs is very much a problem for everyone; nobody likes having to waste their time getting used to a new UI just because the devs wanted to invent work for themselves to keep getting paid. There's no law that says you MUST change the design every now and then, you absolutely can leave things tf alone forever if they're already good. 😒 I'm especially incensed at how EVERYBODY is copying Google's trash move of making EVERYTHING have rounded-corners in YT, now Win11 has rounded corners too for no reason. ROUNDED CORNERS ARE CANCER! They ruin screenshots and hurt performance. Duh.)
8:03 Um, yeah, Win10 is LITERALLY spyware. It has a keylogger and collects and sends data without your consent. That is the definition of spyware. 😒
8:57 Yup, devs no longer bother to complete their products anymore. Thanks to Steam, game devs got used to selling stuff before they even have a product at all, then releasing it incomplete and buggy, and maybe they'll push out some bug-fixes later with a 50GB "patch" and might push out some more of the missing content as paid "DLCs". 😒 Likewise, app developers have taken the same attitude since they can do the same thing, releasing unfinished and buggy programs and OSes, then pushing out updates 20 times a day. Software is no longer a product, it's ALL alpha releases and users are all just beta-testers, using dangerously unreliable code. 😠
9:13 Yeah, I'm not surprised it was like this, throwing a BSOD to punish you for cutting the Internet so that it can't phone-home. 😠
9:25 This one is not a bug, it's a feature. Making old software and hardware "incompatible" with Win10+ is a way to force you to have to buy all new ones because Microsoft gets kickbacks from its "Microsoft Partners" program. 😒
10:50 The flat design is the LEASE bad thing about Win10, in fact, it's probably the ONLY GOOD thing about it. Like Trix, "themes" are for kids. I used to be into all that nonsense when I was a child, using wallpaper-changers or Stardock programs to customize the crap out of Windows. It was very amusing and novel. For a few minutes. In the end, I ALWAYS ended up going back to just the simple Windows Classic theme. I'm literally using Windows Classic right now. I have no need for textures and colors and all kinds of extraneous garbage all over my screen and wasting CPU, GPU, RAM, disk, and other resources.
11:24 How were they off by five years? They said 2020 and Microsoft started pushing Windows 11 in 2022.
12:00 It's not that Windows 10 got better over time, it's that people wasted their time and lives to "fix" it. People spent their lives coding programs and such to undo a lot of the harm that Win10 does; making programs to harden it and customize it and make it user-friendlier and so on. Microsoft gets ZERO credit.
12:12 Nobody thinks Win10 is "good", they're just comparing it to Win11 which is even worse. It's like saying _Nemesis_ is "good" compared to the abomination that is CBS Trek. 😒
11:24 Somewhere in their comment they predicted that it would have an end-of-support in 2020, bit if I’m not mistaken, Win10 end-of-support will be in 2025.
One reason I don't like the automatic update requirement of windows is that Microsoft can force an update to a targeted group or even an individual that does something nefarious, and then shortly thereafter force another update that reverses the prior updated to remove any trace of it's misconduct.
i have the same problems with win 10 .i loved using win 7 but it dint support most of the software that i use for video editing at the end . so its like i had to move on
I quite like w10, at first I was sceptical cause they hidden a lot of settings, but after trying it myself, I've learned more or less optimal ways to find it (the fastest are through writing in search bar some keywords that you need to remember), only thing I have against it now is each time I set it up I have to spend few hours just configuring windows to my liking removing irritating stuff etc. but thats once per installation. Visually I like it more than w7... and w11 where in blocky identically looking settings I take much time finding what I'm looking for (just after scrolling I lose orientation as each settings block is as blocky as the other, instead of different length text that formed recognizable shape) and w11 went much further from good desktop experience hidding even more stuff, not only settings but even explorer or rightclick menu options that are often used... It became so unusable without spending days to setup
Ah yes there's also this maybe you want to update to w11... W10 and w11 are minefields that can break your effort of making it usable once you losen your guard
I'll be the unpopular one here I guess, but I'm not having issues at all with Windows 10, or 11 for that matter. Fair enough, I came from a Windows 7 Ultimate (still have the disc even), and I waited until the last week before the free upgrade was cancelled. Made a bootable USB, did a clean instal of 10 and running it ever since. No issues, no nothing. It's actually the first OS I only formatted in it's entire life cycle on my pc, where as Windows 7 was formatted on a quarterly base and XP even monthly (as good as). Now I'm having a surface with windows 11, and my work laptop is also windows 11, and I have not run into a single issue with any of them, and as they're laptops, they only restart because of updates, and that is it. I'm seriously considering moving my main OS to windows 11 as well on my main PC, but I didn't move yet, because I'm just to lazy for it as of now.
I can agree that the push for upgrading to 10 in the past was indeed quite aggressive, but I never really payed attention to it, as this was just a quick setting and it was done. No more update pushes, etc... I don't really understand why that is a problem to be honest, Apple is doing exactly that with their OS, for example: I have an Iphone (shame me, I know), and you literally need to toggle in the setting off that you want to update to be auto installed and / or even downloaded automatically. And when you update, you need to change that setting again, but you hear no one saying something about that, or I'm just looking in the wrong places.
Also, I'm reading that people here under made the switch to Linux (probably Ubuntu as OS), because they didn't like Windows 10, bla bla. I'm a Linux user (and linux based hypervisors), and I have VM's and LXC's running in Linux, yet I'm still using Windows 10. The ONLY reason that persons are saying this, is because they where already annoyed by windows 7 and 10 just didn't line up with their needs, what is fine, but stating that Ubuntu or CentOS or whatever is so much better, is a flat out lie. The only reason it's better is because it suits your specific need, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not trying to shoot at anyone, but you need to be honest about it! Linux is not for the average user, and is certainly not for the non tech savvy persons around us. One thing I do think is funny, is that you see a lot of "hardcore, yeah I use linux" users, with a downloaded skin from windows 7/10/11 (pick your poison), because they don't even know how to access a simple folder, or how to use terminal.
Anyhow, as I said, I'll not be the popular one here, but it needed to be mentioned and off my chest 🙂
Windows is not perfect, but so is Linux or MacOS.
I am also using windows 10 but on a VM because of all the major softwares and games supported by it. I use mint for my personal work. The latest version 22H2 has seemingly dropped reverse compatibility and I am getting angrier at the os.
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@@redm00n748 Thank you :-) As english is not my first language, I'm happy to see this corrected :-) I know "paid" is the past, however, I always struggle when it comes to "non money" or not so obvious past phrases where I could use that. So thank you for that dear sir ;-)
@@otherssingpuree1779 Not sure if you mean backward compatibility, as in 'run in Windows 7 mode'? because if it's that you mean, I'm confused, as on my vm with W11 22H2 on it, that's possible
@@ReaperSilently Yes, backwards compatibility. I am having problems running older games and notably virtualbox on compatibility mode. I am unable to find any solution other than getting build 1903.
I turned off the auto update on my Win7 machine years ago and totally avoided this forced upgrade to 10. Have had NO issues at all since.
I preferred Win7, and still dual boot it with XP, but on an offline m/c. How do you keep an online, unsupported Win7 PC clean?
Incidentally, both OSs are on the same HDD. When I start up, MacroShit's Windoesn't asks me which I want it to boot to.
I always like updating to the latest software, but I'd probably be pissed if I found my computer was updated without me knowing it .
The important question for me is, "What do I use the computer for", rather than "What is the latest"?
My first computer had 64k of RAM, two 126k floppies and ran CP/M. I learned word-processing from the WordStar 3.3 help menus just like other writers with their KAYPros, Osbornes, and Apples. Move Block and Spell-check were supernatural gains. MSDOS was a miracle. Windows 3.1 was useful.
Today, I use Word, Excel, Power Point, Outlook, Chrome, QuickBooks, Real Player, ACDSee (.JPG viewer and editor). It's the same suite that I have used for 20 years. I don't use computers to explore new horizons, I use them to do work.
I make twenty page documents. Office 97 served me well. I bought Office 2003 because of the .DOCX format. I have no application for the subsequent desktop publishing capabilities or other enhancements.
I use Windows 7 because my 2003 Excel and Power Point don't work on Windows 10. Windows 10 gives me nothing useful beyond its claims about increased security - a problem I equate with needing an AR-15 for home defence.
I keep an XP computer because my version of QuickBooks (which meets all my accounting needs) does not run on Windows 7. The same applies to my excellent flat bed scanner (which meets all my needs) which does not work with Windows 7.
I make my hardware and software decisions based on my computer uses. I have two, unconnected, computer workstations (XP and Windows 7) and a dumb phone. I have seen no hardware or software improvement that benefits me since the introduction of USB (used for daily backup) and HDMI.
Why should I care about the hardware demands of Windows 11 or 12? I don't see how this discussion applies to me.
When the Windows 10 upgrade came, my computer failed to complete the install. It asked me to do a clean installation of Windows 10 and lose all my files. So, I installed Linux instead and have been with Mint ever since abandoning Windows which I hated so much for its slow performance.
Switched to Linux since WinXP and never looked back. I'm a restaurant/bar manager, so using a PC at work is trivial. For me, Windows has been a "Corporate OS" for work only.
My pc not only upgraded, it got corrupted in the process. After refusing to upgrade for the longest time it was forced to upgrade and never could finished the process. Had to install Win 10 from a disc, which to date remains unactivated because I lost the original license in the update attempt.
I still use Win 7 Pro pretty much everyday, for apps that aren't compatible with 10, but they do exactly what I need, and I have full control over the system, since I did a bunch of packet sniffing, and it talks to only who I want it to. I do have a couple other machines with Win 10 Ent., but they have also had their wings clipped, and have limited exposure to the net.😉
Switched to Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, and Centos) six years ago. Had Windows installed on a virtual machine whenever I needed to use MS Office, but gradually weaned off of that as I began to learn LibreOffice. (Which can open and store MS Office files whenever I needed compatibility)
Haven't touched Windows at all on any personal computer for 3+ years.
Libre office is pretty good, used it for invoices for years....🍻👍
I left windows for macos last month after being a windows user for more than a decade, I will be honest, there isn't a single day I miss windows.
My dad recently bought a new laptop and after only a couple of days he came to me as he believed there was malicious software on it. I took a look at it and confirmed there was indeed malicious software installed called 'Windows 11'.
it's very hard to get others to use Linux even when all they use is web browsers 😂
I know. And they claim they are doing this big, Earth shattering thing that depends on Windows... lol
@@dreaper5813 What is holding me back onto Windows 7 is videogames, will any Linux distro run my cracked 2005-2010 games flawlessly out of the box on my old laptop just like Windows 7 is currently doing? Can I play and mod games like Fallout New Vegas or S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Anomaly? Will my mod manager (Mod Organizer 2) run without much tinkering? Thats the problem in my case.
@@ViroRads Well, I play a lot of games like that. And yes, you can use just about any Linux distro as long as you can use WINE and Proton. I have no issue with most games (especially if they are older). And I use Lutris as the frontend to manage all of those games and the different WINE versions I use. And I set my games up manually without any preset; once you get used to it, it is easy. Also, I use mods in games such as GTA V and Spyro Reignited Trilogy, Thief, etc.
I even have games from the 95 and 98 era that simply will not work well, or will not even start on Windows today. But they work effortlessly with just regular WINE. The legacy support for older titles is just simply better when using WINE or Proton.
And what you call tinkering will be you mostly getting used to using the new platform. Knowing how things work. BTW, you can always refer to Proton db regarding support for games. I even read that Mod Organizer does work with Proton (fork of WINE).
Anyway, just don't expect everything to work just like that with no effort at all. Do things gradually. You are building your new set up from the ground up after all. I recommend dual booting for a while.
Sincerely,
a former Windows 7 user.
@@dreaper5813 Thank you, You gave me the necessary courage to try Linux, also my comment above yours sounded a little bit desperate cause as you may know Steam will be dropping off support for Windows 7 in 200 or so days I don't remember, so you can see me right now researching what distros should I use, compatibility, drivers and such... so sorry for that lol
So basically what WAS holding me back was all those aforementioned issues regarding games cause if I were to use my laptop as a regular web browser, media player and document editor I would have made the jump to Linux years ago. But I now know thanks to you.
One more thing. IMO the last good Windows was 7, maybe people will disagree with me and say that XP was the last good Windows, but is kind of interesting to see that percentage that uses Windows 7 and older are not upgrading to 10 and instead going to the Linux route, and with the new shoddy business Microsoft is doing with 11 I expect more people to migrate. even Tech normies like me lmao. Well thanks once again.
@@ViroRads Well, just in April, MS lost over 6% of their market share. So, it is showing that MS is driving away more of their users from Windows by being hostile toward their users. And a lot of that market share went to "unknown" on stat counter. And unknown typically refers to various Linux distros that are not recognized, or various forms of BSD. I'm willing to bet a lot of that is Linux. And a lot of that might be Valve's doing (but also people thinking it is time to dump Windows for Linux). So, Windows is now just over 63% world wide. Was over 75% in December. Huge decline.
And yes, a lot have been losing it over Valve dropping support for Windows 7. But you will be happy to know that Steam is very much supported on Linux. They use Linux on their Steam Deck after all (Steam OS).
Windows 7 and XP were both excellent to me. I grew up with XP and then Vista and after, 7. Honestly, I have to say that Vista (for how much it was hated) is nowhere near as terrible as Windows 8, 10 and now 11 have been.
One more bit of advice, consider AMD over Nvidia if that is what you use. I used Nvidia before. I had to install the proprietary drivers and also fix screen tearing. Nvidia doesn't consider Linux a priority. It does work fine, but the out of box experience leaves much to be desired. Just FYI. But AMD's (and Intel's) drivers are open source and are better optimized for Linux. In fact, AMD works better on Linux than on Windows these days. I went all AMD a couple of years ago and my experience has been great. Just plug it in and forget it. So, it is not surprise that Valve partnered with AMD when making the Steam Deck. But just don't get the latest and greatest hardware (like GPUs); otherwise, you may not have the support for it. Currently using a Ryzen 5 5600G paired with and RX 570.
Anyway, you are welcome. BTW, have you decided on a Linux distribution you want to use? If not, I recommend Zorin OS to new Linux users coming from Windows. Oh, and say if you want to add another drive for storing your games on, make sure to format it to Ext4. NTFS will not work. Games will simply not start. WINE and Proton use a special naming scheme for their prefixes that NTFS file systems will not support. Just another FYI.
I loved Windows 10. I used XP and up when I was growing up and had 8.1 on my personal laptop. When I heard 10 was releasing, I upgraded the moment I got the notice. Never had any issues and the Anniversary update really improved things. I had privacy concerns but I negated a lot of it when I upgraded using O&O and eventually used Windows 10 AME. When the leaked dev version of 11 dropped, I ran that on a spare computer and eventually upgraded my incompatible laptop to 11 using a GitHub script. I use Linux on my Steam Deck and OpenBSD on a ThinkPad, but I always keep around a laptop with 11 AME just in case. People always harp on the bad, but Windows 10 will forever be one of my favorite OSes.
I bet you collect funko pops, lego starwars ships and marvel comics
@@metalema6
Lol I ain’t a soy npc, I just never jumped on the blindly hate on Windows 10/11 bandwagon. I guess you can’t handle opposing opinions. I don’t care about plastic trash or Chinese influenced movies, I’m conservative lol.
NEVER will I use an OS on a service basis.
I have one computer running windows 10 and it has been a complete headache with issues occurring after updates, compatability and lost productivity. Also the persistence of trying to push you towards cloud based services that I don't want or need.
It has actually got the point now that I rarely use the computer running win 10 because of being such an unpleasant ongoing experience.
Subsequently I have absolutely no interest in windows 11.
Windows is privacy respecting and safe, do not listen to those insane Linux users who claim its bad.
With a username like that, you totally can be trusted...
@@dreaper5813 There is nothing wrong with the user name. I'm a Windows 7 user, i agree with @FreedomBasherInc. Also, people should not force other people to use another system. Just because i using windows 7, i got a lot of judge by people who don't know me on the internet. But, the problem is, they are, have no right to tell.
@@monetalimonolistothlaszlo8996 Then enjoy getting infected with malware and having less software and hardware support on such an outdated OS.