Judo in MMA : is it good enough as a base?
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- Опубліковано 1 бер 2020
- This video discusses Judo in MMA, its efficacy, and the fact that Judo is Gi reliant, will affect its efficacy in the octagon.
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My two cents : as a judoka and former wrestler (but still train sometimes with wrestlers for randori), I think that the big point with judo is balance. The wrestlers work more on the levels changes and power where judokas work more on the balance and the feet speed since the majority of judo's throws are done with the legs (think o soto gari, uchi mata, o uchi gari, ...) or need the feet speed to turn quickly (like seoi nage, harai goshi, tai otoshi, ...).
Also, the grip point aside, I don't really understand why judo throws would be sunddenly inefficient in mma. It's like for any other combat sport, you have to adapt your style. Boxing guard isn't the same if you're boxing with big gloves or mma gloves. Same for wrestling, we rarely see in the octogon a single leg or double leg like a pure wrestler would do it (meaning the knee drop on the ground). In fact, it looks often more like a morote gari.
I think judo definitely can be used in MMA if one can get their head thinking outside of the normal judo rule sets. Good participants in any sport fight like they train, so changing your mindset is hard. My son has been doing judo since he was seven and recently started competing in intermediate school wrestling. He took third in the championships for his weight class in his first season. He also struggled with the time limits, the speed of wrestling, and the nuances of the rules... but I could tell that he instinctively wanted to use judo when he got frustrated with wrestling techniques. He learned to adopt some throwing techniques without the gi and his control on the ground is definitely judo centric. I don't think it's ironic that there are some BJJ kids wrestling. I see them on the mat practicing BJJ before wrestling practice. It is ironic, however, to see these BJJ kids doing poorly in the championships. I'm not sure why. So, if people are going to wrestling in order to prep for MMA, and my judoka son is doing well in wrestling because of judo, I guess someone can also make the association that judo is good for MMA. Just my two cents...
Thank you for sharing and good luck to your son
Yes creative interpretation really brings out any martial art tbh but especially in the case of defensive grappling and very tailored combat system
As far as the BJJ kids go, we had a couple on my wrestling team growing up. Their biggest issue was a lack of strength training. Wrestlers spend a lot of time training to be strong and explosive, and BJJ guys at that level just didn't. They tend to get overwhelmed by a wrestler's aggression and power.
@@Chadi If only Rick Hawn had come to the UFC, instead of Bellator...
Thanks for another outstanding video ! Just as Kosen Judo is Judo with an emphasis on Newaza there should be Judo dojos which teach No-Gi Judo as part of their training. Of course they would end up calling themselves a new name, like Kosen Judo did, but it would probably just have something to do with the city in which it was taught, again like Kosen Judo did. Judo, true Judo, is like a sponge. Unlike the Gracies, Kano NEVER claimed to have invented all those techniques in his system. He studied many styles of JuJitsu and absorbed the ones he wanted into what started out being called Kano Jujitsu. For example, some of the Atemiwaza of Judo were gleaned from the techniques Gichen Funikoshi brought with him when he taught at the Kodokan. Many don't know that the Kodokan was the first place in Japan that Funikoshi taught OkinawaTe. which became Karate, and later Shotokan Karate as Shoto was the nom de plume of Gichen Funikoshi. So Shotokan Karate translates roughly to "Place for learning the way of Shoto". I believe Judo is a great base from which to learn a variety of martial arts, just as ballet is a great base for learning dance.
Thank you for this brilliant insight! It was spot on
Technically, Sambo and Combat Sambo have already done this. But we are not lucky enough to have the abundance of Sambo classes in NA or EU, unfortunately. I've seen about one Combat Sambo club in Montreal, and that's about it. I am currently in Calgary, AB, and I am very saddened that there is none here, it's the perfect all-in-one martial arts for mma. And it's the reason why Fedor and Khabib became great fighters. They were both Combat Sambo champions, which includes many Judo moves integrated. Both Khabib and his successor-to-come Islam Makachev, use leg lock judo throw down techniques, over and over again. You can go check. It's more like Judo and Wrestling combined. However again, I am saddened we don't have Combat Sambo here. In Calgary there is one Judo club which when I went to, the learning process was way too slow, with too much focus on moves that were useless in combat. It was overall very disappointing and it felt like such a waste of potential from a great martial art. Currently back to a club that teaches muay thai, wrestling, and jiu jiutsu. But I really want to learn Judo take downs. Sad world my friends.
@@nimkal Sambo and combat sambo have also some weird bans in chokes and wrist and ankle locks, and it focus a lot in knee and leg bars instead of the chokes and pins of Judo.
I really wish they taught Kosen judo in southern California. I've been wanting to start supplementing a grappling art with my Kyokushin.
Judo is great for mma. I believe don Frye is a 2nd dan when he was fighting. I have Been training and fighting in Muay Thai for years now so my clinch was pretty good when I started adding judo to it it leveled my clinch up. Obviously no hip tosses but my ashi waza and inside thigh throws form belly to belly have gotten pretty much unstoppable. So even judo can be adapted to Muay Thai as well.
Thank you for sharing Ian
One more thing: cage wrestling is its own animal (kabib being the best at it imho) but one of the reasons why folkstyle (traditonal us style) wrestlers do well in mma is because of this one unique aspect:
In Folkstyle dragging/breaking people back down gets you points and so does getting back up. Thats why usually us folkstle wrestlers tend to be great "riders" even in mma.
Khabib isn't the best at it, most of his fights have been padded.
Anything can be a base as long as you train hard to be well rounded.
I trained Judo for both Gi and No Gi tournaments when I used to do BJJ and my set ups for Seoi Nage worked wonders. If you have 3 throws that you have multiple set ups for that you are good at and you practice to sprawl fast then Judo works against a wrestler
Indeed
I dont recall practicing sprawling in Judo.
@@vids595 As stated "If you practice to sprawl fast," is your own drill and not something that is taught in Judo. This is needed to defend against a wrestler. If you just depend on judo training alone then you are in for a rude awakening trying to counter a wrestler or a boxer. You need to be able to defend their attacks and get your own in
Yes, and Judo has some wonderful techniques that work really well from the sprawl, but they are no longer practiced so much in Judo. One of these is a Hiki Komi Gaeshi with a crossed arm grabbing your opponents neck and far-side arm, which roles sideways, grabs the inner side of the leg with your free arm, and ends up in a nasty twist and choke. Judo has a good deal of stuff like this that can't be used in tournaments anymore but would come in very handy with a more permissive ruleset.
@@RoomAtTheTopStudio only NU SPORT Judo. Old judo used a lot of leg grabs so you dis have to do something similar, though not necessarily a sprawl. Without any sprawls I've been able to counter a lot MMA -based wrestling styled shooting for the legs, and I never needed a sprawl to counter them. Just the awareness positioning of Judo works, if you train against those techniques.
Myself being a life long student of the Martial arts (31 years)... with a major focus on stand up (Being a Muay Thai coach, JKD/Kali full instructor, with various ranks in other systems) and a decent 10 year base in BJJ... I have literally just started my Judo journey (officially a member of the USA Judo organization as of today), and I am beyond excited to add such a structured, cultural, and effective system to my personal expression of the martial arts. Truthfully due to this very channel. With being a Law enforcement officer here in Denver I feel like this will add to more effective and safer methods of controlling and protecting individuals overall... and I extend my thanks to you and your channel brother... because of you and your research and passion you have ignited an excitement and passion in me for this particular art. Please keep up the great work!
Good luck man, i have often been thinking of trying to bring Judo up to cops to try and sell my services to train cops in tying up their captors and safely taking problematic ppl down without using dangerous techniques
How has your stand up improved since you started Judo a year ago?
A lot of Judoka lack the knowledge of Newaza they mostly train for throwing which hurt their judo.
Solution: BJJ
@@HundredWingZ fuck u asshole
@@HundredWingZ You mean Brazilian Judo 😂
@@pelejahosoba5280 Relax hombre I'm a judo guy myself. I'm looking to do a bit of BJJ once I can afford it. BJJ is the solution for Judo in the same way that Sanda is the solution to Wing Chun/WuShu etc
@@HundredWingZ I don't know what to say to you, but there is no direct answer in this world of complexity, do whatever works for u
I got to learn Judo on the side (since my Eskrima teacher is also a Judo black belt). He brought in an old friend of his who was an Olympian and he told me that after years of learning he realized that the gi is just a mere extension of the body and showed me what he meant (painfully haha). Gi or No Gi, Judo will work, one just has to use his imagination and, of course, remember the core concepts especially Kuzushi.
Your comment Is kinda pointless. You are some random guy doing judo on the side being ragdolled by an Olympic leve judoka. Guess what, the level disparity Is so high that he Will do whatever he wants with you, gi or no gi. Try a few months of gi Jiu Jitsu, than try no gi and tell me if It Is not different enough.
@@adamoleoni2272 Yeah, try to drag your ass on the floor in a real life situation, or try to jump guard, LMAO.
Outstanding compilations of Judo throws & Judo takedowns in MMA. Excellent presentation & research Chadi! Your channel is a dream come true to serious Judoka, Jujitsuka & Jiujitsuteros. Carl Parisian was brilliant in applying Judo in the UFC.
Thank you so much for your support
Remember judo is jiu-jitsu, master jagaro kano set the curriculum we must follow it.
A martial art will only make a good base so long as the training methods of the school where it is being taught are sound. A person could train in a style with the best reputation in the world but without effective drills or realistic sparring he or she will likely never develop a good base for something like MMA.
one of my favorite early mma fighters was judo stylist Remco Pardoel, Remco Pardoel Vs. Orlando Wiet was a great display of using judo to win a fight
Your analyses are brilliant, Chadi. So insightful and cerebral. You've got a new subscriber. Take care.
Thanks and welcome
Ofcourse judo is good enough as a base, Jesus guys like Rory mcdonald came into mma with no base at all. So anyone or anystyle is good enough as long as the fighter understands that MMA is a new animal. It is not wrestling, it is not bjj, its not striking, its a totally different animal.
That being said, since mma wrestling is done without a jacket, wrestlers tend to transition easier than hardcore traditional japanese style judokas.
Agreed
We need no gi judo
Chadi We need no gi judo
Chadi We need nogi judo. I need nogi judo :(
@julesthewalker But wait... Judo sweeps do not work in mma or people would be using them. They don't work in the cage just like arm drags. ua-cam.com/video/CliT1_uS_MI/v-deo.html
Great video
Another great video Chadi! Thanks! Question? What are your thoughts on Nikken or Nippon Kenpo? It is a hybrid Budo sport? Really popular in some circles in Japan especially law enforcement I heard? Anyway, look into it if you have time? Thanks again.
In MMA you have to know the bases of every combat stiles. Take balance and counterattack or you will take down.
Judoka need to practice no-gi judo using (under hooks over hooks etc) to make their techniques work in mma or a gi-less fight. But many wrestlers have taken many arm throws, reaps, sweeps from judo (I believe). So now there are many good wrestlers that have not trained in Judo but have techniques like Judo in their wrestling which almost makes it pointless to train gi Judo if you have a coach that can teach you nogi judo. That is why we see way more wrestlers than judoka in mma and having alot more success too.
The Goat of MMA said it best "Judo is class"- Khabib the Eagle
But all the man does is wrestle
@@seetsamolapo5600 He incorporates judo, combat sambo in his fights, no idea where u got that impression.
@@kipchika5989 the single leg takedown staple he uses is a freestyle wrestling technique due. Yes he uses judo too but wrestling is his bread and butter. It's literally the basis of his friendship with Daniel Cormier
Well..the actual goat off mma came in as a wrestler.. incorporated judo throughout. He even outwrestled daniel cormier, an Olympic level wrestler.
@@takerfan4ever Sambo is the better art IMO. Jon John is def the goat now tho imo. Sambo just covers more bases for combat.. Wrestling never really had submissions like Judo and Sambo, but judo and sambo both have wrestling. The Power of wrestling should never be dismissed tho.. Its a dominate art for sure.
Classic judo would be great alot of people don't know the punches elbows knees or kicks or the Katas kenwa mabuni and Kano were close friends they lived together and trained
Judo schools should rever and teach the whole curriculum of Judo including leg takedowns and all the banned nonsense by the olympic commitee (not teaching the leg takedowns means they are not trained in randori so many judokas are clueless about how to protect against them, like half their body did not exist or something), and focus on finishing matches by submission instead of by scoring points. It is ridiculous to see how many matches in Judo end by somebody pinning the opponent and getting points without submit them.
Chadi your videos are very interesting and well researched but you really need to do something about the low volume in the audio. Even with the volume way up I'm struggling to hear you.
I got a new mic
Judo ties perfectly into Karate, especially the harder old style okinawan variants. That alone in itself can be a very potent combination, the problem as always being that these disciplines generally aren't trained with the same goal and methodology as Muay Thai or submission grappling. There's far less interest in training for combat sports and less willingness to tweak and adapt techniques and methods.
So I'm not the only one thinking it sounds great to get an Okinawan karate black belt and a Kodokan one. Imagine that combination. And then simply add MMA pressure testing (aside from the already intense one found in those two respective martial arts) to solidify the combination.
Learn wrestling and Savote. I think that'd be a good combo to add too Judo. Judo helped my striking I think. Judo taught me leverage and efficient movement. I learned boxing but already had the leverage. Judo help me to become a hard hitter.
Judo is so underrated in MMA, it seems like after the 70s people in the US, being violent as we are, completely forgot it even existed😅 more credit is given to wrestling but little do people know worldwide judo is much more popular.
Karate is in the same spot judo is in MMA only for striking vs grappling. Any art works as long as you put the time in to learn MMA itself. That means boxing, Muay Thai, BJJ and wrestling practice on top of your chosen base
How about a in depth study about would Aikido make a good base for mma and what and how would fighters look like and use it in mma...would it even to possible to have sucess with that base ...
good but that doesn't mean if I could have my choice it would be the first one to prepare someone for mma, but like I said def a good option
I think every martial art with sparring can work well. With added cross training in the phases of combat that it doesn't specialize in.
Law enforcement for over 25 yrs an ive come to realize that in all the hundreds of instances of violence against an individual one certainty is clear. Real life is Not an mma match. An Clothing often plays a role in Combat. Also a slam or throw or any hard takedown on a hard surface like concrete or even grass will knock a person out or knock them off there ability to fight back and also drop whatever level they are in combat like a stone. Great channel Chadi thank you for your content.
I hear LOTS of law enforcement credit Judo for saving their butts.
judo is a very good base, it takes some tweaking, for example, the grips, I actually don't use the gee often in judo competition, only to bring my opponent to me. the only thing is the sleeve, but that can easily be replaced with a quick wrist grip. it's an art that takes a long long time to learn and it teaches you to throw people in all positions and against people that are masters at not being thrown. that's one thing that I learned from judo, if you try and you are not highly trained, apart from a double leg tackle, you won't get me down.
but I definitely think there are major benefits to judo over wrestling. mostly that with judo, when you throw someone you are thought to go down and get them in a hold imeadelty, either a submission hold or a hold that makes sure you control them. wrestling misses out on that, wrestling just hugs someone and then you hold them weird, but the wrestling holds are by far not as competent as those of judo and BJJ when talking MMA. when you trow someone in judo you imeadely get the chance to throw an arm bar or a choke without having to really break your grip, in a lot of wrestling moves you would have to let go first to get let's say an arm bar or a rear-naked choke.
thats right the throws were way before judo even existed so again the movements are similar but its completely differnet if you dont understand what you are doing without a gi
There are takedowns in this video that can be classified as wresting takedowns. I love the bleedover
Is there any way to learn judo but only the throws that can be done without gi, is that being taught somewhere?
Eu pratico judô a 7 meses, passei cerca de 4 meses no boxe e 4 meses no muay thai.
Judo is the best it doesnt matter what people says all these throw in MMA are from Judo.
Kron is an interesting example you raise, because he does train judo with LA Tenri Judo connected if I am not mistaken to Tenri University.
Interesting, he fights in the next ufc event. Kinda anticipating it, never watched a gracie live before.
Hey, my 2 cents: the training method is obviously the most important factor.
Imagine a guy who spars in a judo rule set 24/7 without the gi.
Of course the same guy if he trained in gi the same amount of time with the same ruleset, he would beat himself in an mma setting.
I don’t practice any of these three groups of martial arts but from my research since I’ve been wanting to get into grappling I’ve heard both wrestlers and BJJ people on multiple occasions say that they’ll use techniques they’ve learned from judo sometimes but I’ve never read anyone from judo say they use wrestling or bjj moves in judo and I know there are some successful ufc fighters that primarily trained judo also I know a lot of schools teach no gi bjj so my question is do they teach no go judo? I imagine the technique would change a little from having to grab the opponents body and arms instead of sleeves and collars and at this point does it just become Greco Roman wrestling but with trips? I am torn between finding a mma school where the wrestling coach has a Greco Roman background or going to a judo school or going to a bjj school I like that bjj does a lot of rolling and wrestling seems like the aggressiveness and pressure is much more real and judo seems to be a good balance between the two right now I do a style of Kung fu and tai chi but we moved out of our building and into a studio with no pads for the foreseeable future so its a lot less sparring and no take downs because no one wants to get thrown onto a wood floor so this is why I figure doing some grappling will help me get some of that higher pressure training and fun fighting that I enjoy back into my training regime
Kron is a black belt in judo, but didnt clinch well on mma..... great content chadi
Thank you! His last fight he tried to rely way too much on the ground but barely any takedown capabilities
Chadi
Exactly! While no doubt a beast on the ground, his takedown skill set was exposed as weak.
No way is he a legit blackbelt. His takedowns are awful!
It's not a terrible base for MMA, but it isn't a very good one either. Looking at wrestling, BJJ, sambo, kickboxing, and even Karate and TKD, compared to them Judo simply has a much worse track record in terms of producing elite and champion fighters in MMA.
Sambo is Judo trained like you were going to fight MMA. That's why Fedor is the quintessential MMA fighter.
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If ur a Judo specialist all you have to do is get rid of the Gi.
it's as good as many other traditional martial arts. The best in the game coming out now train MMA from the get go. That being said, Judo is definitely not the worst martial art to train
Please do a video on Fedor Emeliananko's use of judo in MMA
I did
ua-cam.com/video/LgEkyQePa6U/v-deo.html
@@Chadi thanks so much
I made sure to give it a like 👍
@@JohnSmith-zc1bj I'm very thankful
Fedor was the best ever fightet to mix "judo" with striking. I have no idea why he decided to become k1 fedor... wtf???
I see ppl talk about judo restricted to jacket control, so can’t pull it off no gi . But do u understand practicing the kumi kata way is way more difficult? When u do no gi, it’s rather easy using the hug to pull off ouchi, Kosoto,sasai ...
Exactly
But the thing is they don't really teach it
I wonder if judo vs wrestling, both of which would be bad against multiple attackers, but which will have a better chance at winning?
Jujitsu and judo are very good to know buy you gotta have some up top game because alot of people are stronger and bigger than you most fights do go to the ground but not every muay thai even karate would be good to know but karate you gotta be fast with it if you know judo and another style you should be good
Chadi, do you think no-gi judo would be a good idea (like nogi BJJ is)?
Sure
Let's unite 🌏🌎🌍
Most people do not have knowledge of why they're gripping. Kumi kata. Then many people do not have grip discipline. If you know why you're gripping and how to accomlish such, jacket or no jacket then you can do nearly the same thing. Handfighting and kumi kata. If your game is based on those fundamentals then jacket, no jacket, sport, leo, sd, combat you'll see the light. If one is basing skill on specific sequences vs chunking concepts you'll be led down the wrong rabbit hole. If you understand kumi kata and build off that, your learning is scaffolded, if not you build on sand. Holes in your game with no idea how to fill it.
I love Judo. BUT, just Wrestle and you are 90% there.
ask matt hughs who is on this video a lot how many judo practices he has been to
Shooting in wrestling require to change lvl and give the higher ground to your opponent , it's dangerous cause of knees ,sprawls and ground n pound .
A judo based take down game can give you an edge in securing the dominant position and give you good grip over some submissions.
Greco Roman wrestling which doesn't have so much lvl changing is also good for dominating stand up grappling but it has no submissions.
There are three types of distance in fighting , this is what we learned in pankration , striking distance , stand up wrestling and ground fighting those can also be further cut down to categories for example striking distance can be cut down to kicking distance boxing distance and clinch- dirty boxing distance , stand up wrestling can be categorised to limp manipulative throws like kotte gaeshi , foot sweeps like ashi waza and body takedowns , ground fighting can be categorised to pins-positioning, ground n pound and submissions.
Having a good grip at throwing someone is very important in MMA , I have seen fights where the better stand up wrester dominate the fight . Stand up wrestling is the transition between striking and ground fighting it's the middle component , forget about what the Gracie's say about all fights ending to the ground , the Gracie's proved themselves in an era where ground fighting was underestimated all three aspects of fighting are important and when it comes to street fighting and self defence , being able to throw someone to take away his mobility while doing damage is more important and safe than rolling with him on the pavement.
Didn't know S-grip wasn't allowed in judo. Isn't it frustrating to have all those sometimes arbitrary seeming rules (in IJF style)? Like I heard that americanas are legal but kimuras aren't (ude garami and reverse ude garami if I'm not mistaken).
Ijf rules are absurd
kimuras are legal
@@vittocrazi Yeah it seems my sources were incorrect, but still the rules seem really confusing and sometimes arbitrary.
@@chienbanane3168 they are. the leg ban is sad.
all these throws exist in wrestling too and guess what they dont use a gi... youre right people wont go to judo to get better at mma but its good to maybe pick up a couple things
I prefer using leverage over pure strength. If I can expend as little as possible while still knocking someone out I will. Judo for me is much better.
Judo, not as a base but as a complement, In Muay Boran, we use lots of similar Judo takes down.
At 7:50 the sound is off why?!!
I have a question; in MMA is it legal for a Judoka to use a throw that lands his opponent on his head?
I don't think so no they have many restrictions
Yes you can suplex in mma unified rules, but you can't spike a person as with a powerbomb. You can DDT there's been a few KO with it. Just watch a highlight of mma wins by slam.
Nope. That's illegal. It's easy to break someone's neck like that. Pretty sure its illegal in anything that involves grappling.
@@kevionrogers2605 what he's talking about is something different. Those slam KOs usually involve someone's back hitting first and then their head whipping back and slamming on the mat, causing the KO
mpforeverunlimited eh, no.
If i'm black belt in Judo and too good Boxing am I good for MMA?
hey man, i have a question.
i've trained in boxing/kickboxing/bjj and i'm pretty good at all 3 of them but my biggest hole in my game is wrestling or takedowns and clinching. so i'm torn between learning wrestling or judo. in the beginning i thought judo was shit and wrestling is superior but after all these Dagestani fighters came into the scene (khabib/zabit/islam/etc..) i noticed that they are much superior takedown artists because they combine wrestling with judo, so i'm thinking about doing judo but i have a couple of questions about it.
1. the obvious question is am i gonna be allowed to use no gi grips in the judo gym or do i have to use the sleeves and are there techniques that aren't reliant on the gi??
2. i heard there is a shit ton of belts in judo and the techniques you learn are limeted to your belt level is that true? i don't want not to be tought the good techniques just becuase i don't have enough years under my belt (i prefer the bjj way)
3. i also heard you only start getting good at judo after you get your black belt which is crazy because in bjj a blue belt is a killer and knows tons of techniques, if that's true I'd rather do wrestling at least i'll not be held back by the belt system
i'd really apreachiate it if you could answer my questions, thanks in advance
1 - you can use over and under hooks just watch my mongolian judo video
2- there are belts yes but you can learn all the throws and try them in Randori.
3 - once you know your specialty you get good at it and work on it, no need to be a black to be a decent takedown artist.
@@Chadi so just to make sure can i grab the back of the neck and wrist, instead of lapel and sleeve in drilling and sparring?
@@adamzoubi96 that's legal if you attack immediately, you can't hold like this and stall
@@Chadi thanks for answering so quickly i really appreciate it brother
@@Chadi hey bro, I've been researching judo since we had our little conversation and I have a question for you:
How.long does it take to be able to use my judo in mma for example, I mean how good do I need to be make my judo effective?
What belt level do I need to be good enough at judo to where i can use it in a real fight?
Thanks
Heaps of Uchi mata, Ouchi gari and seoi nage
Hey thanks man, all the information here la great, i love this channel la a Hidden Jewel.
Thank you so much i really appreciate it
Honestly i think for mma you need to learn about 2 or 3 diffrent styles to compete. 1 is mostly good, but not enough. Most martial arts really start shining when you combine them in my opinion. Maybe you don't need to master all 3 but atleast master 1 and be good in 1 or 2 others
The idea that you "just" need to learn overhook/underhook in order to adopt Judo to MMA is silly. In a no-gi grappling situation, a wrestler has far more tools than a Judoka in the overhook/underhook, because they've trained that way for years and years. There are all sorts of throws and takedowns available from the overhook and/or underhook that Judo does not have.
I think Judo is a highly valuable martial art for other reasons (#1 being the usefulness of the gi in clothed fighting), but let's be honest, it's not the best for MMA.
It's pretty dam good for MMA and about the best for a practical real street fight.
Looks like there will be 3 paths to MMA.
1. Boxing and Wrestling
2. Muay Thai and BJJ
3. Kickboxing and Judo.
Judo is a perfectly fine base for any martial artist. Just use that head and arm throw cautiously.
Most people see these techniques and can realize that is good to put the adversary on the floor and finish him. But in real life an take down in concrete can put a end in a street fight very fast.
Agreed
But judo is the source for 90% of ‘bjj’s’ moves. We used to train without gi’s very often … so we knew how to apply our techniques if we couldn’t get our grip
It worked well for ronda rousey and paddy pimblett
Definately, ask Ronda.
I believe Judo is a good base for MMA..with simple throws like o goshi no need of ki..even it has a lot of arm and leg locks..besides newaza..
Agreed
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only if you have an understanding of grappling iwthout a gi
What is the “S Grip”?
Grips with both hands forming an "S".
I think the Chinese knew long ago that fighting is a rock-paper-scissors game. That's why they have Shaolin 5 animals Kung Fu. They knew the rock-paper-scissors relationships of the 5 animals.
Ronda's judo beats Tate's wrestling (Tate beat McMann in MMA).
Holm's grappling defense is good enough to implement her kickboxing offense against Ronda.
Tate beat Holm with wrestling.
That's the beauty of MMA. Neither Ronda, Tate, nor Holm knows the answer.
Well it is the way you train 🤗 watch karo's fights .
You can not rely on the Gi in Judo because the opponent maybe knows how to defend. You have to cross-train if you want to be good. Judo-wrestling. Judo, Jiu Jitsu, BJJ, wrestling, sambo. They are close family.
i really wish there was kodokan judo (with leg passes and so on) but no gi and no pre fight bows and other pagan shit
judo is actually pretty popular for mma in Japan. No one would say that sambo or bjj is a bad base for mma. They are both children of mother judo.
Anything can be "good enough as a "base", even tai chi. You'll just have more to learn from other martial arts.
Judo have to evolve like bjj does when they start training with no gi
Judo is great
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A possible benefit of judo in MMA is the upright stance used compared to wrestling which is more similar to a upright striking stances - judo has less emphasis on changing levels which is particularly useful in the artificially upright position against the cage (probably the main area we see judo in the UFC)
Agreed even Sonnen says so
Unpopular opinion: REAL combat judo is more practical and impressive than BJJ
Agreed
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BJJ lost many times to Judo but they don't like displaying it. In the second fight, the Gracie family lies about weight advantage of the Judo guy, but still, most Judo doesn't fall for the elaborate traps of BJJ.
I like BJJ for some technical ground game, but the reality is in real combat fighting, its almost not worth it and will not end the fight quickly. Whoever wants to be a top MMA fighter he should do Judo, Boxing, Muay Thai and may borrow additional striking and grappling from other arts. These 3 are the best for base. I did American wrestling, Boxing and Taekwondo and I defeated many opponents in my life. The only people gave me problems were the guys from Judo.
@@anasmousa7572 Yeah you can even use pugilism. It even has takedowns.
That’s one opinion. However I think the fact that practitioners don’t learn them simultaneously is a crime
@@treroney4720 It's different. Did judo from 10 until now, and I did BJJ for a few years. My main sports in high school were basketball and water polo. Judo was the most helpful cross training sport for me. Not to brag, but my balance is noticeabley better than other ballers. And when I started BJJ, I tooled the white and blue belts pretty easily
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Judo is 1
I have made two years of judo just like for tring a combat sport, and i started mma and i released two things.
The first things was you weee right about the gì and no gi but if you have two years of judo when the coach in the mma jim taches a judo trow adapted to mma you will learn that more fast than other people and more efective. So you will have a new takedown to put on your arsenal of takedown.
My think is do some judo can help you to learn hard things where other sparring partner cant achieved easily
You're right
If it works use it. - Bruce Lee.
In my opinioin, based on my own experience and what I watched, that depends on how you train.
You don't have to rely on the Gi during training. Also you can modify stuff as you need it. If I can grab the gi in my oponents neck I can also grab the neck. If the throw is going backwards for your oponent you can grab the chin instead and as arms aren't straight you don't slip that much, especially if you grab over the joints.
Also, if your school is balanced enough you'll also get a lot of ground techniques that will help.
So even if I would recommend to add something like muay thai for the striking parts, I would absolutely recommend judo as a potential base.
Just don't limit your training to the bounderies of judo when you try to fight outside of them. It's not like the IJF-rules would be the spirit of judo.
Whoops, that was a late reply. But it just popped into my youtube landing page ^^
Bruce lee would say take what’s useful and leave what’s useless
If you studied judo as a child then yes. It will give an extra edge combined with wrestling. Otherwise, considering that you dont have the time to study everything, I dont see how judo would be more useful than wrestling in MMA. Anyway the throws that you can apply is more-less the ones that we see on the video. These you can learn even in a wrestling class. Just my opinion.
I agree! If your end goal is MMA then no judo is not needed
Problem is many MMA fighters do not try and learn judo throws from early on, while many want to impliment it under challenging conditions after practising under easy conditions (not sport specific). There is a whole pedagogy behind teaching & learning of throws up to a level where it can be applied with success agains an opponent of similar level in competition. Countries which have done a lot of research in physical education - like Germany - teach it at university level.
Judo is king of street fighting.
Judo is one of the best grappling systems for MMA hands down no doubt. For example check out Freestyle Judo here in Missouri at the Welcome Mat Judo Club or Cuba's MMA system Judokickbox. Great video bruv!!!👍👍👍💯💯💯
Oh man I would love to train with Steve Scott some day . Is there also a catch wrestling gym in Missouri too ? If so I will plan to move there XD
Will check it out for sure
@@nihilistlemon1995 They train/teach CACC Wrestling at the Welcome Mat Club
@@nihilistlemon1995 yes he is a great coach and gentle man
But am not used to your freestyle judo, just the regular sport ones I found in the channel am an subscriber also
Judo is my way of Life.
Judo is superuseful in mma and in the streets.
Remember that when you Land in a tatami is very different than the paviment, with judo a throw you can easily kill Someone. Judo is a weapon but for us Judokas is a moral code and a way of Life. The ironic gentle way.