The most (in)famous switch in the keyboard hobby
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- I tried Cherry MX Browns for the first time to see if they're garbage, endgame, or somewhere in between.
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Glarses on Cherry MX Browns:
• Trying Cherry MX Brown...
"MX Browns are good" - Best of Taeha #4
• "MX Browns are good" -...
MX Browns are Endgame by Shoobs:
• MX Browns are Endgame
Linus Tech Tips Blind Switch Comparison:
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~~~~Chapters~~~~
00:00 Intro
00:36 Switch Background
00:48 Hyperglide
01:45 Enthusiast Response to Browns
03:52 Testing the Browns
04:08 Stock Browns Typing
04:17 Stock Impressions
04:38 Lubed+Filmed Typing
04:55 Lubed+Filmed Impressions
05:13 Broken In Typing
05:38 Broken In Impressions
06:02 Overall Impressions
06:31 Is the hate/love justified?
07:23 Questions for you
07:41 Thank you
08:22 Final Typing on GMMK Pro
09:16 Final Typing on KBD67 Lite
10:08 Outro
~~~~Music~~~~
From Streambeats / Harris Heller:
Walkabout
Would You Kindly
Honolulu
Over and Over
~~~~Gear~~~~
Camera: Sony a6100
Microphone: RODE NT USB Mini - Наука та технологія
Love the way you have the bar showing everything that's happening in the typing tests btw! Really unique and helpful
Thank you! That took quite a bit of designing and math to get right hehehe
@@CaloysKeyboards well worth it, came down to type the same. Really helpful and it's great splicing the different stages to it's easier to tell the difference.
Smart
Big props for mentioning the "gatekeeping" aspect of the hate for browns. I think thats actually a huge part of it. I am not a big fan of browns, but I also dont feel like I need to post genuine vitriol online about them to newbies to the hobby. Memes are fun though.
I am genuinely surprised by the hate for the switch, lots of people when they first get into mechanical keyboards start with reds or browns. I did way back in the day. I found reds too mushy, I found blues sociopathic, browns to me felt just right. And I have used browns in one form or another since 2007. My dedicated work keyboard that IDGAF if it gets ruined is a Das Keyboard with MX browns.
It is elitist and offputting to see so much vitriol and gatekeeping when someone looks to take the next step. If I say I like how browns feel and the community is rude, I wont be likely to go further in the community.
Glarses would like a word with you.
I started out with blues and quickly realized,clicky is not for me. Then I tried browns and loved them. After browns I tried linear, they are good switches. But the other day I started playing on my browns again, I really missed the tactile bump.
I've been a long time Cherry Blue user and everyone hates on them and swears all other clickys are better. So I took the bait and bought a lot of the highly praised Box Jades and I was super disappointed. The moral of the story is that the 'gate keepers' have no idea wtf they are talking about.
I remember the first time walking into a store and trying both mx browns and reds, and couldn't feel a difference at all. I was genuinely confused what the difference was even meant to be, so I think that being able to feel the tactility comes down to how familiar you are mechanical switches
True true 😊
Congrats!! Always been a fan of how in-depth your keycaps and mod reviews are
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Congrats!! Always looking forward to your vids with how detailed they are!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Congrats man! Keep it up. Really like your contents
Frankly speaking I believe RGB MX Browns are to blame for the hate. these are made from entirely diffrent material than classic cheries, which then gives a higher pitched sounding, unoticable tactile switch. I am currently using lubed, burnt in retooled browns and they feel just fine for typing, not too agressive on the hand coming from the lighter side of linear gang while having a very soft and sastifying topping out sound.
Its either that or people are hating it just because its popular. Very common amongst enthusiast groups. Linus did a blind test with the common keyboard switches and MX Browns won with flying colours even through a lot of the people there hated it, and of the ones that actually got it right, their attitude against the browns looks biased af.
@@chrischoy9 The second, is the impression I get.
@@chrischoy9 it won with flying colours because it was the only light tactile switch they had, whereas they had very many different heavy tactiles. They really should have included some others, like Gateron browns.
@@chrischoy9 agree, many fans watch creators such as squashy boy or glarses and hop on the hate bandwagon that is mostly a joke. sad to see the best light tactile switch being hated so much for no reason.
Incredibly informative and high quality video! You've convinced me me to desolder some browns I have on an old corsair board. Keep up the great content!
Oh wow thank you! Good luck with it 😁
The colored bar was a good idea and it helps!
Nice! Took quite a bit of figuring out and math to get that looking and working properly hehe
Congrats on the partnership!
I recently got a batch of MX browns from a used board I bought and I believe they're also hyperglides. Apparently the previous owner used the board for about 1.5 years and they were surprisingly smooth even stock. I'm more of a linear user, but I've been on the fence on trying to spring swap them, as well as lube and film them.
In contrast, my main board is using L+F Retooled MX Reds, but I swapped the stock springs with CK x Tecsee 63.5g "Slow" Springs and they're now my favorite switch I've used so far. They're not the smoothest, but they sound so great! Prior to the mods, they were probably the scratchiest switch I've ever used.
Last, I guess for me smoother doesn't always mean better. I've used incredibly smooth switches before (lubed Tealios) and I didn't like them. But again it all comes down to preference.
Thank you! Right, smoothness is just one of the many factors that affect switch appeal and performance. Those Cherry housings really do a lot of heavy lifting hehehe
Super casual here. I tried reds, blues, and browns throughout the years. I occasionally write as a hobby, sometimes 30k words a week, and I found myself liking the browns the best, as it's the least tiring for me. Though I prefer Gateron way more than Cherry MX's brown, so I daily drive that instead these days.
great editing ! keep it up, looking forward to you channel growing
Thank you so much! 🙏🏼
Great video! I have started to take a liking to the sound signature of browns especially in aluminum boards and hoping to get some soon! And congratulations on making UA-cam Partner! Hoping for your continued success in this hobby and content creation!
Nice! Thank you so much! 🙏🏼
Congrats! Well deserved! a fan of your GMMK Pro mods! review the Q1 with the Knob once it comes out please! more power to your channel bro!
Thank you! I've got the Q1 pre-ordered but I don't think it'll be the knob version yet hehe
Thank you for this video. Mx Browns were my introduction into mechanical keyboards so even if they are not the best switches out there, they have a special place in my heart.
Of course i since then moved on to Matias switches and even some white alps (infact i'm waiting for a used white switches alps keyboard to arrive).
I also like mx blacks and mx blues which i also have. Although i would love to get a good condition Blue Alps keyboard it's not that easy.
If every video of you is this helpful i gladly subscribe.
Thank you!
i hope you can do this long term man ill always watch ur vids
Aww thank you so much! I hope so too hehehe
A very well-made video. Thank you for this!
Love the commentary great review and insight
I miss those days where the Corsair K70 with Cherry MX Browns was THE keyboard to have.
Corsair OPX switches are good, but their board are garbage.
Browns are a typist switch and are great for ergonomics. They're so hated that they're the most copied switch. Pretty much everyone offers a brown clone. Even Glorious copied them with the holy panda.
The tac bump isn't meant to be an actual noticeable bump so much as enough of a bump to make you feel as if you bottomed out the key without actually doing so. It teaches you to type softer and not bottom out the key every time you press it saving pain in the hands.
Browns are legit one of the best switches. After trying several others I can't find a switch that feels as comfortable.
Whoa! A very thorough video revolving around a controversial switch. You're brave.
For me personally, I've built a board with Kailh Pro Purple switches, which is subjectively unpopular light tactiles in the market. At first, I didn't like them that much, but they grew on me since I have found out that the tactility on Akko CS Ocean Blue switches are a tad too heavy for me (and to put on a perspective, I haven't tried Holy Panda just yet)
Plus, the stem on Kailh Pro Purple has a longer pole compared to the one from Cherry MX Brown, thus frankenswitching with the Pro Purples would be interesting due to how a longer stem pole can affect the bottom out sound of a switch.
So yeah. If you don't mind, I really recommend for you to try out the Kailh Pro Purple switch (and to replace the stems from Hyperglide Browns with the ones from Pro Purples, because people on Reddit had wrote about how they liked the said frankenswitch combo)
Thank you! I'll look into those Kailh Pro Purples hehe
This is a very well made video. Great job! You earned yourself a new subscriber.
Thank you so much!
Hey man! Good to see reviews like yours! Astig! Linis.💪
Thanks man! 🙏🏼
I have been outfitting the medical coders around here with mech boards for a few years, you'd be amazed at how many there are who type constantly, all day, on membrane monstrosities.
When I started doing this, I pretty much built with Reds unless the click was important, then it was OFC Blues. After a few didnt like the reds or blues, and wanted something that had the physical bump but not the click, well you can guess where that ended up.
Since then, I generally bring 4 boards to demo - Reds, Blues, Browns, and my personal favorite heavy tactile with dual-click, which everyone hates but I love. (Kailh Box Whites are the current GOAT)
Anyway, without the influence of all the BS that we have developed in the "community", when normal(ish) people who are doing a job want the best thing for that job, the overwhelming majority choose Browns.
Nice video! I do like the light tactile bump of brown switches, as they are easier to type on then heavier bumps, but they are a little too scratchy for me. I do enjoy using the stem in frankenswitching though!
If you use them and wear them down they become a lot smoother. This switches were designed for longevity.
@@JustSujC yeah I would assume breaking them in helps - thanks for the suggestion!
just want to share, i use alpacas on my 'endgame' keyboard, but i've been using browns as my daily driver for a week now. trying out those so i can truly experience what they feel like. i must say i love the sound of cherry mx housings. yes, the tactility is really 'small'. browns are scratchy af fr too. ive spent 5 hrs total just breaking in them by pressing the keys a lot of times. now they feel a lot smoother and the 'tactility' is much more 'noticeable'. cant wait to lube them after a month of using.
Nice! Yup those Cherry housings are pretty magical for sound hehe
Edit: I can't imagine using any unlubed switches for any significant period of time. Your dedication is admirable 😅
Light tactile master race!
Congrats on getting accepted to the UA-cam partner program!
Great vid as always!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
I've had the Cherry MX Brown for about a year in my Odin R3 and they have been great, after lubing - they really REQUIRE LUBING!
Stock hyperglides are bleh, but the improvement of lubing is massive and I believe their improvement to be much greater than many other switches...
...anyways, now that I'm running prelubed Gateron Oil Kings, I don't bother with it anymore.
But the browns will be my dependable backup switches.
I just installed cheery blacks on my latest board. Loving it.
I like the browns the way they are as stock. Even though I have other switches at hand (both tactile and linear), I still feel the browns are a valid choice - I feel like the scratchiness and small tactility gives an unique typing experience which is quite enjoyable
bro!! i have just been thinking to pick up some mx browns but wasn't sure, since i used to be a fan of very tactile switches but now maybe leaning towards light tactiles and linears.
New fan here! I love your vids!!! It inspires me as I build my RLAP
Thank you! Enjoy the build! 😁
i didn't like browns at first but they grew on me. there's just enough tactility to get the feedback. i notice it much less when typing really fast though.
Wooooo! congrats dude!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
I use gateron browns and they are way too light and have no bump. Cherry browns are feel heavier and you can really feel the bump. Yes they are scratchy, but if playing rhythm games they are pretty nice. Oh yeah and the sound is clacky and loud. So don’t expect them to be quiet.
nice to see someone voicing out for mx browns. I always find it difficult to understand the brown hatred all over the internet nowadays. keep going!
Most of them probably never use well tuned mx brown
@@davidchandra8722 That's true. And tbh I really love that little tactility, more than pure linear smoothness and more than big bumps.
thank you for the help!!!
Thx for the indepth review,started in mech keeb with brown,sold it and only used linear,other day i tried brown again and missed the bump,today im harvesting (desolder work) a brown cherry mx from 2nd hand keyboard i bought from closed down cyber cafe's for cheap to put on my hotswap keeb stock.Lets see how it goes 😅
Good point!
I had browns lubed but had to go back to Kaihua Speed Silver with heavier springs. I couldn't stand the scratchy noises and the feeling like o-rings were installed under each cap.
Love the MX Browns. I'm trying different but keep coming back to what feels comfortable. I have above good hearing but I cannot say any of those so called scratchy or others matter to me. Too much else going on for me to be bothered. But feel is much more important. I could like a little more tactile bump & more weight while maintaining the quietness or low resonance. Do remember the board housing and material you choose makes difference. Drop in a layer of cork or rubber w/ a poly top plate layered w/ denim underneath. Options.
What is the gentle next level above MX Bron in feel of a bump & defined activation point? I was thinking MX Tactile Gray!
I genuinely do not understand the hate behind MX browns. Honestly one of if not the best light tactile on the market. From my experience retooled browns sound and feel better than what people consider to be the brown killers (pewters). Those who say that the tactility of browns are nonexistent can't appreciate a subtle and light tactile bump. If you prefer tactile switches such as green jackets or zealios, then good for you, but browns will always be my favorite light tactiles to type on
i had a corsair k95 with browns for like 8 years and i loved them. on silvers now and its hard to get used to
I have a keyboard that is about 2 years old with spray lubed mx browns and they have gotten much better over time in regards to the scratchiness.
break in period is best taken without any lube applied to the switch. So if you break in like that, and then but a very very light layer of 3203 or 3204 which makes them a great switch for a light tactile enjoyer.
I like them, they have a bubble wrappy kind of sound
congrats man!
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Used Cherry RED, for years. They were good for gaming.
But now I'm typing a lot on my work, so brown are awesome for it.
I just forgot about miss clicks and noise level is acceptable.
Lube + foam + tape on cherry mx browns = CREAMIEST KEYBOARD EVER!
i personally like to use browns/mx blacks on ALU plate it just sounds amazing even the mx speed silvers
I used browns for almost 10 years, used a boba u4t's for a day then and realized how linear browns were. 😳
Oh wow that's a long time with Browns lol. Gonna have to check out those U4Ts. Need me some more experience with tactiles hehe
I'm 12 years brown, tried Aqua Zilents spring modded 55g from a friend, and the bump is too big. Don't like what is perceived as "default tactility" which is very big actually.
Would Zealios 62g be considered a medium tactility switch?
@@CaloysKeyboards Very late reply but you should really try the Boba U4Ts with the lighter bottom-out weight option, it feels great while not being tiring to type on
If you like browns, mabe you should try ergo clears. It is like a brown with a little bigger bump.
I've tried pretty much every variant of switch out there new and old and browns feel the most at home to me.
I've had 20+ keyboards and always found myself going back to browns. They're comfortable to type on and sound the best to me
Good review👌
I prefer the new normal version brown switch to hyperglide. The more the north and south are wobbly in the housing, the better the fingers are compatible and matched. As for break-in, break it with a massage gun to get closer to the sound of Cherry lovers, and it's my personal favorite switch among the tactile switches.
This is recommended for gamers and typists to use the Cherry Brown Switch.
Wow great work it’s awesome ! Browns are great and overall doesn’t deserve all the hate it gets.
It’s gatekeeping. “I spent more and assembled it myself so it’s better than yours.”
I'd say there's minimal "breaking in" if you lube them first - you'd have to be using them stock to "break them in" before you can lube them.
I've never tried it that way because then I'd have to use unlubed switches for a long time and I'm just unwilling lol. From my experience, there is *something* happening. My Cherry Blacks are butter now hehe
I never had cherry browns but i tried outemu browns and im going to try akko lavender purples to see if i would enjoy bumpier tactiles.
Good luck with it! Have heard lots of good things about those Akko switches hehe
i think what makes enthusiast brown good is the black full nylon housing, take those out replace it with the regular clear housing and youll get meh switch
Yup those Cherry housings really do a lot of heavy lifting 😊
There are so damn many switches now I can't keep up. Anyone want to chime in on recommendations for a modern "super brown" or Ergo Clear type switch? I like browns but am looking for something with a heavier spring and bigger bump than a brown but keeping the actuation style and lack of hysterisis as per brown/clear switches. So many tactiles seem to be "P" shaped these days which I am not interested in at all.
Hows the pinging in retooled MX Browns?? I thinking of getting a keyboard which features MX Browns in a *_non-hotswappable_* format. And because at the current moment I cannot be bothered with desoldering/soldering shenanigans, I'd like to know how the pinging is, stock.
It's tolerable in my opinion, not as worst as Glorious Panda or Neapolitan.
I have glorious lynx’s but also bought pandas… how are pandas?
Ducky One 3 with Cherry MX CLEARs hot-swappable available❤I can do with all the switches you mentioned but my preference goes by far to clears
What do you think of MX Clear as a spacebar switch on a Brown board?
I've yet to try MX Clears unfortunately 😅
What keycaps are those on the KBD67 lite r1
Those are OEM profile PBT doubleshot keycaps. The stock ones used in Leopold keyboards are the same as these. You can also find them on Amazon under Mistel branding. If you want further info, I talked about them in my build video for my GF 😊
I love light tactile browns! But then Gateron has better implementation than Cherry, my new favourite is Gateron Phantom Brown.
Hello! What lube did you use for the legs and leaf of the Glorious Pandas? Btw great video as always
Thank you! I used Krytox 205g0 😁
@@CaloysKeyboards Thank you. I'm thinking of lightly lubing the legs of my jelly blue switches, they feel kinda scratchy and have a very deep and unique sound (maybe because of the dual tactile bump)
Go for it hehe. I have some Boba U4Ts and I just did the Gazzew lube method where you just put a glob of lube on the rails and I think I might go back in and lube the rest of the stem, including the legs. I'm probably not a hyper tactile guy 😅
@@CaloysKeyboards This is my first hyper tactile ( the tactility is way above lavender purples and ocean blues ) I think I prefer lighter tactiles as well but not linears. For some reason I get tired when typing on linears. This is the case even when using relatively light and smooth ones with 50g springs
Very nice vid
Congrats my dude, well deserved! Tuloy lng!!!
Thank you! Will do! 🙏🏼
great vid
Coming from me who just ordered a keyboard with browns 😅 I was actually starting like them
I think these are normal browns/retooled. I think that because every hyperglide brown I have seen is 5 pin, and on the kbdfans comment section they said that these are retooled.
Ohhh thanks for the info hehe
great content
Light tactile switches ftw
Wow do the space bar sound so scratchy!
Yup. I ended up using a different switch just for the spacebar lol
Great video! I knew browns weren't that bad lol
Would like to see you try some akko switches, they're like competing with the good ol' gat yellows imo in terms of price
Thank you! Those are on my radar but there's so many switches out and I only have the patience to lube so many lol
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Glarses would be proud...
Honestly I just hate tactility in general.
I'm almost always going to bottom out the switch anyway, so anything that interferes with smoothly pressing the key down is a negative for me.
My keyboard can inly support small pin(otemu switches (brown switches rn
I love browns simple as
Personally I don't like browns as im a fairly heavy typer and play Rhythm games a lot. I seriously feel no bump at all when I play or type so it doesn't make sense for me to use them ( if I was going to use Tactile switches over my Gat black ink v2s ). As you said its all preference though and a friend loves them.
I guess a lot of people don't recommend them becuase you can get much better switches for a bit more or even same price? I dunno. I personally don't understand the elitism in this hobby
If not for this video, I probably would have gone my entire life without buying an MX Brown lol. Budget switches are getting insanely good so, yeah, it's kinda hard to recommend any Cherry switches.
I like the browns sound 😭😭😭
Your preference is valid 😊
Thx man
it's all personal preference in the end, always has been ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
subbed for more brown content
Everytime I pause you. I realize you cannot blink synchronously.
I think a lot of these meme against the brown is due to some people being a bit pretentious.
What's your keycaps? :)
Can you give me a timestamp? I don't remember what keycaps I used in this anymore lol
Oof even after lubing you can hear the scratch. No wonder why they’re touted as the best switch ever made.
i dont understand why people genuinely believe that the mx brown hate isnt just a meme
I don't think that the hate comes from them being light tactiles, it comes from them being very light and the opposite of sharp. They drop only 7 grams of force and takes more than a millimeter; it's the lowest grams per unit of displacement force drop I've ever seen.
It’s a bit disingenuous to completely ignore smoothness. I mean, pewters sell themselves as a smooth version of browns. People obviously care about scratchiness in their switches.
I didn't ignore scratchiness. I factored it out of the reason that Browns specifically are hated since people love Blacks and those are scratchy too. Like I said in the video, the Browns need breaking in to be good. Breaking in reduces scratchiness hehe
pewters vs browns is the whole nylon vs umwhpe debate, why do people get jwks or retooled blacks opposed to tangerines or green jackets? ultimately "premium" switches will function and sound almost the exact same
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You should try dragon fruits imo they smoother better browns
Oh yea, totally forgot about those! I feel like I haven't heard anything more about those after the initial release hehe
I just bought my first mechanical keyboard with brown switches haha
Why? Because I feel like punching anyone with reds or blues because of how loud and obnoxious they are. I Dont also need to know your typing.
I gotta admit. I was influenced by this community and have avoided browns. I'm willing to give them a try though.
browns are good and crispy
You left out "stem sanded with diamond sandpaper" from the stats