1803 The Rodin Coil And How To Wind It
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That big spool in the background makes me unreasonably excited
Hahahahaha!
COPPER!
Super cool thing about base 60 (or rather 12)- also comes from fingers. It's how the Ancient Sumerians counted- you have 12 spaces between the joints of your fingers (using your thumb to keep track), and you've got 5 fingers on the other hand- 60, or 12 finger joints-144. So you can count to 144 on your fingers, easily. just blew my mind. Wish somebody had told me that when I was a kid.
That's really cool. Biblical number
Brilliant!
I didn’t get it at first but you look at your palm side to notice 3 per finger ha
I like base 60. It makes fractions easier. More exact than decimals in some cases
12 also nice when working with time (ie 60 minutes in an hour and 2 times 12 hours in a day) and space (360 degrees in circle)
So yes I agree 12 is best. But originally 9 was considered define, then "they" added the zero for rounding purposes and hence a common way the ultra rich bankers stole money without people noticing.
10 years ago i was really interested in Vortex Based Mathematics and i ended up building a 3d coil based on that with one of those kids donut shape toy. I also putted a ball magnet inside just to see what happens. By applying a frequency, i could make the magnet turn inside the donut. I was freakin' amazed(pretty much like Robert when something works lol). I then had the idea of creating a 3d printed version of the VBM torus wich i could wind with wires and put a ball magnet in. After a couple years( yeah i'm slow) i did so but the winding was a pain . I only tested it once and it did nothing but i couldnt make all the test i wished i did.
All that being said, keep up the good work, you inspire me to continue my quest for making cool things.
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yeah i made a doughnut one too ! pretty cool. it will also play music if you connect it to a music amp and have a magnet in the middle. i played billie jean on it ! -_-
Great video Rob, thank you! I've often seen these Rodin coils but never taken the time to look into them, I really appreciate you taking the time to not only research but also teach! Kudos mate, looking forward to the test video where you compare all the coils 😉
I love this smiling smart guy.
You cheer up UA-cam with your smile Mr Murray
Cheers
thank you for being here and explaining such topic
Thanks again Robert. I love this Thunderbolt test bed. I should have thought of it before but of course I just didn’t. Once I had the magnet flywheel the coil designs can be put on in any number of ways. I’m using microwave magnets but same thing more or less. So many projects it’s impossible to follow through on any of them. Right now I want to put together a solar powered fluidyne water pump for my trees and a solar powered stirling engine to turn a treadmill motor. 😂 Too many ideas from this channel, keeps my brain spinning. All the best.
This was a super educational video. Great work!
I like the way you can explain things briefly.
Very interesting thanks Robert, I just thought a coil was a coil so thanks for showing me otherwise and I loved the pattern your Rodin coil made because rounded is more pleasing than straight in my world.
I made similar coils using a fine Litz for building crystal radios, however, the designs I found used 11 or 9 points (Rook Coils) and proved to be extremely sensitive at high frequency ;)
Its cool that you're covering this
Keep it coming! I really love this alternator windturbine- way you are going. Still hoping for the connection with a convertor for household use. Because you prefer we will all be making mini turbines. But we got 10 solarpanels in very dense urban area, and our base use is like 80 watts during the night. It would be fun to get 80watts for some days in the year.
when i was kid i found out about this and made a little speaker with one of these coils. it always struck me as an art project with an electrical component. Never thought of how it would do with an axial generator.
this one looks like a lot of fiddling around for no disenable gain.
but I am sure there is a use for it. thank you for the great content as always Robert.
Looking at it it may make a good antenna for a particular frequency, band or polarization.
excellent, interesting, you explain things very well
I like how you give the Rodin coil a serious chance and evaluate it fairly. I remember when I first heard about it and all the mystical hype surrounding it and I confess that I got a little caught up in it. Nowadays, I can't help but laugh. Still, I never actually made one so seeing one actually being made and tested in a real-world scenario is eye-opening.
Rodin's coils are not flat btw. They are supposed to be wound in a donut shape and I have wound one that could handle over 1k voltage. I had one of Rodin's friends ask me about how I could do it and load it with a higher voltage than he could. During construction the coil will sorta wind itself. You start with the winding pattern then it will always land on the correct spot as you go around. According to Rodin its 2 pairs and what is missing with most is the 3rd winding which is the 3-6-9. The coil if wound properly and calibrated will exhibit strange effects. I have not made one that had any strange effects but HP did a study of them. I have some documentation I made regarding calibration. I have not published anything as I am not an engineer and wanted to verify everything first.
@@StevenCookFX what happens if you spin the magnets through the doughnut? Horizontally on say a track through the tube or vertically through the centre? (The hole in the middle, rather than simply in parallel as shown here?)
Also if making a doughnut 🍩 I assume you cross from front to back as you pass through the centre (creating a figure of eight) and don't simply wrap over the doughnut (creating ovals)?
Thank you 🙏🏾
Looking forward to video
I made one of these ages ago. Instead of plastic stand offs I used plastic sewing machine bobbins. Those can be silly cheap even in relatively small quantities IE about £3 for 100 of them. I also used nylon bolts. M4 if I remember correctly. For securing things I used nail polish. At £1 a bottle it's pretty cheap and I found the cheaper clear stuff worked better. I didn't bother removing it from the former I just used more nail polish to secure the bobbins to the bolts after cutting them.
Well done Robert. You have made a 12 pointed Christmas Tree Star. 👍
Your an amazing person Robert amazing.
Thank you for teaching/floating the idea of real scientific math, vortex math.
Great video
Put the magnet in the middle of the coil
Very good. I'd not heard of this Rodin.
He's a thinker
Awesome 👏
Rob, it seems to me the essential thing to check with a Rodin coil is the alignment of the coil segments in relation to the individual magnetic fields. You know the geometry of the various segments (1 to 6, etc.) and you know the flow pattern through the various segments of the coil. If you lay the coil over the magnets, how do the individual coil segments line up with the N-S fields of the magnets? Do they add or subtract & where?
I always knew you were a smart guy rob but I did not realize just how smart you were.
More info plus history.👍🐝🌞
'If you look in the literature this coil is the answer to everything in the universe'
Love it... But that has already been answered....
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I have some experimental ideas I'd love to see done that I really can't afford to do but you may. 1 would be to build a Tesla coil with the proper vortex coil wound for a torroid and see how it acts, along with a couple of variations of a vortex coil like having coils inside the vortex coil using different harmonic frequencies for each set of coils creating multiple inner laying magnetic fields.
Nice video Robert. I like your style. Won't this particular coil cancel all the different magnet poles out netting 0 volts? You would want to isolate windings where they line up with poles and add then add them together right? Maybe I am missing something.
That's next year's Christmas tree decorations sorted. 😁
:)
I made a flat Rodin coil a few years back and with 6 1" X 2" neo 50s on an aluminum drum. I was able to get 12 volt at 850 rpms from a drill motor. Coil shorted before I could test any type of load and I never continued the experiment.
I believe Rodin bases his work on the work of G.I.Gurdjieff and his esoteric teachings concerning the Enneagram or nine pointed star. Some entertaining use of numbers to explain life, the Universe and everything inbetween. He also uses it as a type of horoscope/personality indicator and a path of self exploration and development. The 3,6,9 should be separate, the other winding should go in the order 1,4,2,8,5,7.
Quite a good looking star coil but Whats is the advantage of this coil over the conventional coil in magnetic induction to power generation and Thanks for this video.
Its the prettiest so far so obviously the best. 😆
FYI Rodin did not come up with the math. Tesla and others did. Rodin used other people's work to promote it. I knew Rodin personally and he refused to explain his explanations. The coils that others have made using his ideas were all wrong. I have figured out how to construct the coil and it can handle large voltages without fail. I also know how to calibrate it and it follows the design he talks about. I later found out that he didn't come up with the 3-6-9, 2-5-8, 1-5-7 pattern. Nicola Tesla figured this stuff out way before. Its just not to many payed attention to his work as most thought he was a quack. The Rodin coil is not supposed to be flat. Its a toroid and utilizes nature's principal of energy transfer. You need 3 things for it. 1. Positive 2. Negative 3. Neutral center. There is another man who promoted this in his flying ufo type disc he created and it used harmonic frequencies with a unique type of design. (not free energy either) I have yet to try to construct a proper coil based on Rodin's work. Rodin didn't steal it all there is some he worked on that is valid. If your curious then do a google search for Tesla's 3-6-9 vortex math. Its the same numbers in Rodin's work.
With upcoming 3d print deposit feature of arc overhangs, printing coils or inverts seems more and more possible every day for the average user. I am wondering if it will make sense to print an invert and fill with conductive ink.
Or... With a little tinkering, replace the 3d printer's hot end with a thin tube that has a hole in its side so that you may feed copper wire through it. Add a tensioner by the wire spool similar to a thread tensioner found on the early 1900's singer sewing machines. Place a disk with 12 vertical pegs on the 3d printer bed and carry on with copper wire. Use the robot to do what it was designed to do... Which is to lay down lines of material stored on a spool.
i wound a rodin coil on a doughnut shape, its alot more beautifal. and might have different performace properties. it just looks nice to have a toroid shape. and if you connect it to your speaker cables on an amp it becomes a speaker if you have a magent in the middle of the coil.
I made a star coil a few years ago and applied DC electricity to it. It created a concentrated magnetic field around the center coil (not outside stars) and would hover a couple inches when put over a microwave ring magnet. Seems like magnetic field is more concentrated than just a plain coil.
makes sense, there's 12 times more wire in the middle ring than on each star point.
The simplest way to set up something similar is to bring the magnets to the coils instead of bringing the coils to the magnets. Use steel sheets/plates to draw ample magnetism to 4 coils, it would make more space/room for further customization as needed
Rodin made a real thinker there...
Robert, there are 'A' coils', 'B' coils, 'C' coils ... all sorts of coils and more but which is the best (most efficient at producing electricity). Any chance of a video comparing them?
I think the significance of Rodin's base nine is, as you alluded to, the vortex geometry, which is how nature creates....the creative flows in nature are essentially vortical...I don't know if other number bases can also be shown to do this?....
The sad indictment of of humanity is that that technological advancement has been used been used for advantage and destruction, but realise we are an aberration in the scheme of existence, I admire your skills of survival, and the fact that you bite your lip on political arguments, but I do have faith in you, and love your technicity, love rooby, we will survive x
The twelve pointed star is the symbol for the zodiac. Surely different star shapes or even sacred geometric designs would lend different results.
What's your take on the Caduceus Coil and how to wind it?
Rob if you were in my place, a tinkering retired guy on a limited budget who would like to make a wind wall, what size spool of copper would you recommend purchasing? Similarly to what you have next to you, i would like to purchase now as the supply chain is changing fast, and coppers price is increasing like gold.
Rodin coil is the answer to life, the universe and everything?
I was under the impression that it was 42.
My guess was 'blue'.
You could use any non metallic enamel paint to bond the wires together. Maybe clear enamel nail polish?
What is the best way to compare winding patterns? I think using the same guage and total length of wire in each coil. Use the same type of magnets. Spin at the same RPM and use the same load.
Is that grossly over simplified? How do we make apples to apples comparisons to determine the best winding method?
Which coil winding type result into more electrical power output at, minimal copper wire usage?
I had a feeling you were going to talk about this coil based on your last video. I built a few of the toroid coils using 3d printed frames but never found anything particularly special about them, it's cool how the Flux lines overlap through.
Toroids make good filters and multivoltage transformers.
As you say, flux fields are different so requires very different designs to make motors/generators.
@@Dr.JustIsWrong I don't think I've seen them as filters but I know they make good transformers. Have you seen any air core transformers? If I ever get back into it I want to try making a toroidal tesla coil
@@Ivan.Wright _"Have you seen any air core transformers?"_
I haven't. Do you mean like inductive charging?
The issue with air is that it has a relative magnetic permeability of 0 _(zero)._
While silicone steel will instead *_multiply_* the magnetic flux strength by 4000;
Iron (99.8% pure) by 5000;
Cobalt-Iron (99.8% pure) by 18,000.
@@Dr.JustIsWrong I mean a tesla coil that uses toroidal coils rather than solenoidal ones
@@Ivan.Wright
Oh, IDK. Never saw much use for tesla coils _(tesla anything, really)_ so I never studied them.
This coil gives the impression that because it crosses many times over itself it ends up creating conflicting magnetic fields that reduce energy collection. I think you could test if this is happening by removing some magnets from the base and turning, if the energy production is equal or higher even if you have removed some magnets then probably there are conflicts of magnetic fields.
From my point of view it seems to me that no wire should cross or follow in a different direction, the best energy collection is always in all the wires being as aligned to the same axis as possible. Because by passing energy through them their field will eventually affect what's around it, and you don't want one wire creating an opposite field on top of the other wire.
Hi Rob Sir great to see the coil videos, I am actually building a 10kw Axial flux small wind turbine using SWG 20 wire the current magnets are 50mm by 50mm by 12.5mm a square magnet, I am building square coils too in relation to magnets, but am struggling with the turns, I have used 2 conductors to build coil, please help me throw some light on turns part Rob Sir, Love and warm regards, Yaman.
Four coils to me for example 4x4 = 16 coil 16 output in different amps small to big no space between the north south movement . Make a little supercapacitor changed controller
About the foundation and patterns.
Real vortex mathematics is based on the fundamental frequency of vibration and its subharmonics. The winding must have several parameters and for maximum effect, the right choice is needed for the right harmonic, as a rule, in generators of this type it is 3 harmonics, and ideally you also need a transition to 5 harmonics.
Well, that's so, by the way :)) Good luck!
Perhaps double check the magnetic fields and electron flow for the entire contiguous wire to be certain nothing is trying to push electrons backwards.
ie. second leg of the triangle, opposite sides of disk, or where the triangle legs make an X.
Remember to reverse your hand _(right hand rule)_ when mag N-S changes..
I think you _may_ be getting some push back..
Robert I use base 20 since i have fingers and I also use my toes. WHAT do you think about that ???
Man you gotta get an interview with Randall Carlson. I could listen to you two speak all day.
Yay energy ! Thats been suppressed now being shown
For some reason I missed this one for the last 2 weeks. But this breaks my brain. How can alternating north-south magnets on the same coil not cancel each other out?
Thank you for the correction I had been under the assumption that Nikolai Tesla was the father of vortex mathematics I appreciate the learning
Would winding it with Litz wire make it stiffer/more sturdy and be quicker to do?
Reminds me of string art :D
Does it do anything outside of the norm electrically ? If not then I suppose it goes on the wall next to the macramé hanging and string art form the 60s and 70s.
The rodin coil produces a unique magnetic field, look for the analysis of rodin coils from the Microsoft guy. Worthwhile to take in the last few conferences rodin has done, he has revealed a few things he was previously holding back for development reasons e.g. all rodin coils are wound wrong. They don't include the negative aspect of his number system
Would building this coil in 3 dimensions do anything to the performance? So instead of being flat, have all the outer tips converge during the winding process, like a pyramid. Just wondering.
3,6,9 seems to be based on symmetry but it's more than that. Tesla Called “3, 6 and 9” the Secret of the Universe”
Could this be used to form a coil that mimics a flux pattern? I don't know, but the number 3 serves as the only number that equals the sum of all preceding numbers (0 + 1 + 2 = 3). Also, when 3 is added to itself, the smallest perfect number ensues (6). And when 3 is squared, the result is the number that completes the single-digit numbers in the decimal system - the number 9.
Where can i buy a Jig for making a Starship Rodin coil like that? I want the Star to be a foot wide or 2 foot wide and uninsulated bare Speaker wire?
Do starship coils next :P
It might have gone quickly, though without that coil configuration representing much of a change in the generation it seems a might tedious.
I'm saying this as I am winding a contiguous pancake coil around a bobbin so I can see if the coil itself has any particular values.
The start of Build your own dynamo?! Add a commutator and solder? Well please keep it safe!
cnt yu change the base what about some skitzo pattern. can cause some real ad static noise increasing power? why wuld harmony increase power?
Do one on the Rogowski coil.
The Rodin Coil defines the conservation of momentum and energy. It has a perfectly stable voltage output. When a Rodin Coil transformer receives 50 watts input it creates a 250 watts output! It can be stacked and looped for larger power needs and will easily produce 5, 10 or 15 kilowatts output of electrical power to run a business or a home or an entire industrial complex. Completely off-grid with no solar, wind turbine, or batteries required. The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier turns milliamps into kilowatts. It is cheap to manufacture and costs only pennies when mass produced. It uses entirely off-the-shelf components, requires no special tooling and uses no exotic or proprietary materials
they repealed the law of conservation of energy ?
..... but only has these magical properties when used on a flat Earth.
You must have drank the kool-aid.😅
Bob I wonder if you did the same Rodin coil with silver wire instead of copper this would change the outcome . Remember during the shortage of copper during WW2 Los Alamos used silver for generators versus copper!
Silver wire is crazy expensive tho, the benefit would maybe be lowered resistivity but I doubt the extra cost would make the relatively low gain worth it
to me it sounds like a load of woo, but i'm glad you took the time to at least make the coil without dismissing the creators/believers of such a thing as silly billies
Base-60 is something I was taught in 5th grade math using babylonian mathematics.
This is exactly what's used in curve-stitching, pullikolam, and other types of diagrams which are richly studied by topology (sorry of mentioning that again).
I believe the 3d shape is a cycloid. It can be modelled with a faily simple cycloid vector function. That allows it to be 3D modelled and put into an electromagnetic simulation program. There was a presentation at global BEM in 2016 I think it was where some Portugese guy had managed to hook it up as a zero point energy generator. He was never heard from since..
plasma has a natural proclivity for numbers that divide in to 18 evenly three and nine in particular it has something to do with field strength and flux density iirc but don't quote me on it
To the Author, how is 30deg anywhere as good as the 90deg winding rule, the right hand rule as you have said?
Is it important what kind of wire to use, recommendation?
I thought you were going to get into code breaking for a minute there. lol
Most important thing about a coil Is wind
EVERY LAYER the same direction,
so the magnetic fields of each layer would be
n/s, n/s, n/s, n/s, n/s
You've wound it back and forth,
so you're magnetic field of each layer will be
n/s, s/n, n/s, s/n, n/s
Do you see how they'll give totally different results? It PUSHES the magnetic field outwards through repulsion,
Winding back and forth PULLS the magnetic field inwards through attraction within the coil layers itself
Hopefully you might try a side by side,
for others to see as that's one comparison not done yet ;) definitely 2-3x stronger
N. Tesla did base 9 studies! Experiments as well!
Where did you get that large spool of wire?
stringart, my first thought when i saw that.
From what I understand, votex math is based on the observations of Nicola Tesla. He recognized the special relationship between the numbers 3, 6, and 9. Cryptically Tesla would say that the key to free energy was found in the numbers 3, 6 and 9.
3 6 and 9 are the only numbers which produce themselves when using recursive unary addition. Numbers 1 2 4 7 8 and 5 will never recurse to 3, 6 or 9. Numbers 3 and 6 will recurse to themselves depending on where you started in base10 (eg the number 33 resolves to a 6, which doubles to 12 which resolved to 3, which doubles to 6, therefore the number 33 resolves to 6 in this math). For geometrical positioning of coils and rotors, these infinitesimals are extremely important.
Most producers of the Rodin coil seem to take on an electrical view to the coil construction when in fact what we are doing with the Rodin mathematics is mapping the flux density of a single point so that we may maximise the harvest at the point of alignment
I can't 3xplain how happy I am that you've touched in the Rodin coil .. does it have any merrit in the idea ✌️💚
Gap space and 3D geometry does matter in the effect and function of field geometry
In order to make the magnet hover over, you need to drill a hole straight through the center so it acts almost as a pulsar star this will create a source of clean energy and it will be sustainable. In order to move the magnet, you need to learn how to control the frequency radio waves around it by manipulating the frequency waves you can continuously power it for ever sustainably. if you are able to capsulate this invention inside a pyramid, it will be a 10 times magnitude scale of its power that manipulates the atoms around it. This kind of technology will be built into every thing in the future.
What if you put another magnet wheel upside down and sandwich the coil spinning the two in opposing directions?🤔
Boy oh boy this sounds like Woo.
Look up malcolm bendal he maps the periodic table on a toriod and it explains a lot!
Where can you get all the copper wire from?
I wonder what the effects would be out of pancake or spherical coils shaped like sacred geometry diagrams.
Maybe you could use it for Christmas next year
WHAT IS A RODIN COIL FOR? WHAT VALUE IS IT, DOES IT HAVE ANY FUNCTION OR PURPOSE?