First of all...best shoe reviews on the internet. No lie. Nobody is more knowledgeable, professional, informative, and witty. Second of all I love how even as a retail seller you aren’t afraid to be truthful about a shoe. Roadrunner talks up every single shoe like it’s the best and their favorite. 3rd, I don’t dig the background music, but I fully understand why you put it in there so all good. Much respect. Can’t wait to buy a pair of shoes from you one day. ✌🏻
Oh my I was really on the fence with this shoe but pulled the trigger and oh my lord I am so happy I did , these are sooooo comfortable and stabilize my feet while giving me plenty of cushion as well
I have both the 4.0 and 4.5 The differences I noticed were that the 4.5 toe box is lacking the holes for the toes to get some ventilation. As in the 4.5 has a sealed toe box inside the upper :( Also the internal upper structure reinforcements has changed from the 4.0, For me the 4.0 is ideal for hotter weather and the 4.5 for cold weather. They’re basically beefier Escalantes ;)
As far as the "guiderails" in this shoe, its not unique to only Altras. The Brooks Transcend has the "guiderails" also. Currently running in the Brooks Transcend 4, and they feel great. I agree with what you said about pronation, and it not being a negative term referring to injury. It seems that many people actually don't understand that, and seem to think of it a negative or misunderstood buzz word such as "gluten", rather than an essential part of human movement. Its consistent or repetitive OVER-pronation that may lead to injury issues for some runners. Good review, looking forward to giving these shoes a try. I have a pair of Altra provisions that I also use in addition to my aforementioned Brooks.
Thanks for the added color! We're pretty sure "guiderails" are more of a marketing term than a construction method, so we hesitated to use it. As for over-pronation, we were disappointed when we learned there is no actual, scientific definition of this term, and we're confused how a running store would properly identify someone who pronated "too much". To the best of our understanding, somewhere between 3-5% of the total human population truly "over" pronates, and very few of those folks actually participate in running as a sport or hobby due to other - potentially related - biomechanical issues. The fact that 30-40% of the shoes sold today correct for that particular issue is a classic example of over-prescription and is (to our feeble minds) completely irresponsible.
Yes, to my feeble mind this also seems like over prescription, and marketing... When I was a kid in elementary school, my friends and I would be very excited when it was time to get a new pair of sneakers. Our Moms and Dads would take us to the local shoe store for a brand new pair of canvas Pro-Keds, or maybe a pair of suede Pumas. We thought they were the best pair of sneakers you could possibly have. We were just young kids, joking that these new shoes could make us run faster. Even as kids, we knew this was just the fun and excitement of having a new pair of kicks, and we couldn't actually run faster because of these shoes. I think the marketing of many shoes plays off this type of thinking, hoping to make us believe that a new and improved high tech form of foam, gel, or ultra mega boost material will magically propel us from a 55 minute 10K to a super fast 42 minute run. Giving us super speedy energy return, and guiding us effortlessly mile after mile. Not really going to happen, but as a runner, and a guy into running shoes, its fun to play into that just for a little while when you get bust out a new pair of shoes right out of the box. Hope you enjoyed that additional unsolicited color. Don't even get me started on smart watches and fitness trackers hahaha.
Since I found a discounted pair now that the new model is out, I'm going to give this one a shot! So far I've been mostly running in the Escalantes which I love.
And since the Paradigm 4.5 is basically (OK, exactly. As in: we're not even going to bother with a new review its so identical) the same shoe as the Paradigm 4.0, you got one heck of a deal!
Thank you for a very good review of the shoe! I'm planning to buy one online (I live in rural Norway, and the sports stores in the nearest town don't have Altra, so I can't try them on first). I am though confident that I will love Altra Paradigm 4.0 (I have found it on sale a couple of places). But, what you say about pronation confuses me. I'm not a runner at all, I use running shoes for walking and everyday life, because of the extraordinary comfort compared to regular shoes (and the fact that I am completely flat feeted and can have pains in my lower back when standing or walking for longer time, running shoes greatly help to reduce such things). All my running shoes have been stability shoes for over-pronation, and I do visibly see a big difference. My feet will point outwards when I walk in other shoes, or just walk over the floor inside without shoes. With stability running shoes they straighten up and I will naturally walk like "normal". It looks much better, and it feels better too. My feet can relax more in stability shoes. Without stability, I notice I start to compensate by standing more on the outside of the feet, and get tired by doing so. Maybe I have had to many pairs of stability shoes, and have gotten too used to it, I don't know. I really like shoes with stability, or well, depending. I have so many stupid feet problems, that I really can't find a single pair of shoes that fit perfectly. My last pair is Nike Air Zoom Structure 22 in the wide model. Wide because my feet are so completely flat that they will bow out in the middle, where all shoes are at their most narrow. Right, impossible to find shoes. I sort of like the Nike Zoom Structure, they are almost wide enough in the middle (compared to other shoes that are much worse), and don't have so much of that painful thing in the middle and on the inside of each shoe, that is supposed to build up your foot (and ends up under my foot instead). But, being a wide model, they are wide all over, heels, middle and toe. So is every other wide model shoes from other brands as well. Meaning that the heel are will be too wide for me. Well, not the biggest problem, but slightly annoying. I have looked at Altra Paradigm for three reasons: They look wide, they look comfortable with lots of cushioning, they are said to be stability shoes, and they have a wide toe box (not that I have wide toes, but I had Morton's neuroma once, and want a wider toe box to prevent having that again, plus that it is way more comfortable with a wider toe box (as it is in my wide model Nike shoes) compared to the narrow toe Asics I have owned in the past). I really want stability shoes. I don't run, so injuries is probably not a problem. But I like the feel and the estetics, and I feel it helps (but I might imagine it does). I have heard and felt that they have moved away from the traditional way of stabilizing shoes, and instead does it more gently and unnoticeable, like in my new Nike shoes. That is a good thing. Good bye to the harsh old Asics stability. I like the new type much better, with softer cushioning on the outside of the sole and harder on the inside, to guide your foot straight again. It works great and feels great. But, if Altra's stability is so gently that it have just vanished and become a marketing gimmick, then I don't know. I sort of imagine I have read somewhere that Altra had put harder cushioning on the inside and softer on the outside of the sole, to help with stability. Is that correct? (or have I read it in the descriptions of another shoe? I have read so much about so many shoes, it is all messed up, and I can't remember what information belongs to which shoes). I have not read science reports on pronation. But I'm sure you are right, that stability shoes does not prevent injury and such. But, for many (I guess) that wears stabily shoes, they do it for several reasons, not just injury prevention. For me (and probably for many other as well), it feels much better and more relaxed when you can stand straight up and not sag down in awkward positions, and it looks way better walking with your feet straightened up instead of pointing outwards. I just hope Altra Paradigm have stability features enough to address such things.
Solid feedback, R. We choose to focus on the science part of the equation, and since traditional stability shoes have been shown to increase torque on the knees by as much as 35%+ without any correlating evidence that they solve the problems they purport to solve we avoid them. Generally speaking people tend to believe their own experiences over scientific studies when forced to make a choice (it's just a bias we all tend to have), so "stability" tends to continue to have support in the market (no pun intended). We will note that companies like Brooks, who have long pushed the theory of stability features, are now admitting there's no basis for their claims and adjusting their approach by eliminating the use of traditional "posting" and rebranding their shoes as "guidance". Whatever they want to call it, our stand is that it's more marketing than science, and we try our best not to do stuff just because it's popular. So no stability shoes for us... :)
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Yes, I guess you are right about stability shoes. But since I don't run, only walk, and not very long distances, I don't worry about that 35% increase in torque. I did buy Altra Paradigm 4.0. I really like them. They do seem to have some stability, though. It feels in the same way as Nike Air Zoom Structure 22. My feet does not point outwards when I walk, so it must be some sort of stabilization, which I like. I really love Altra Paradigm 4.0, except from one thing. And the thing I don't like, is a feature that must be great in warmer climates. But since I live above the Polar Circle, in Northern Norway, we do have mostly cold weather, except from the middle of summer, when it often is too hot. So, the air holes at the toebox is really, really airy. So much that it blows cold air on my feet when walking. That is really lovely when it is hot outside, but not so much when it is cold. It feels like walking in sandals, very cold. So I don't like that. But I can imagine that it must be one of the features people love if they live in Florida or California or such. I can't use my Altra shoes at this time of year here, but I will find something to cover up the holes to allow me to use my Altra year round. They are way more comfortable and soft compared to Nike Air zoom Structure 22. Yes, another thing I don't like is that the midshoe is too narrow. But, again, it is nothing wrong with the shoes. It is my feet that is totally opposite of what feet are supposed to be shaped like. So my feet at its widest in the middle. My Nike shoes is a wide model, meaning the midshoe fits but the heel are too wide. So it is impossible to find shoes that fit perfectly anyway. I can higly recommend Altra Paradigm 4.0. They are so soft and comfortable that it is almost unbelievable.
I 'd like to know why do you say "I wouldn't run a 5K, or any track work, but for recovery days and long run...." Isn't a shoe to run a half marathon then?
Hi Simona! We avoid all "high cushion" shoes for our shortest runs, since the additional rubber creates a delay between the time you create an input (pushing down on the surface) and the time the output occurs. In our opinion, this can confuse muscles and - in rare situations - lead to injury. For many folks, races up to a 5k or 10k are "sprint" type races, and make an extremely cushioned shoe more of a liability than a benefit. It is a good point that for folks looking to "complete" this distance (who may not be as focused on racing times and lightning speed), the shoes would be a perfectly good solution. We were speaking in general and comparative terms, and appreciate your request for clarification. Most of us would consider a 1/2 marathon a "distance" race, where hard inputs on the ground are less common and most folks slow down a bit on pace. In our opinion the Paradigm is a great solution in those endurance events!
I absolutely enjoy your reviews! You have a great depth of footwear knowledge. So, would the Paradigm be the perfect Altra for working all day on concrete floors? I run on trails and the road. Which road Altra is the equivalent of the Lone Peak 3.5?
Hi giff74! We're with Blake on this one - the Torin is closest to the Lone Peak with regards to cushion. The foot shape is a bit different, however, with the Torin having a slightly narrower (although not overly narrow) heel. Be sure to try these on, but we think most folks will be happy alternating between these two!
I asked altra about their sneakers for supination and they recommended paradigm and provision. The reviews I’ve read state that they are for overpronation. I’m confused on this classification.
I recently ordered the Paradigm - August 23, 2019. The first time I ran in them and each time thereafter - I kicked my ankle bones! The stabilipod on the inside of the shoe has gouged my ankles big time! Anyone else have that problem? I sent them back. I was sad, too, because the support and response is amazing!
We're pretty sure that is something Altra is working to address. We've never had the issue ourselves, and don't think it was mentioned in the review. But we think the issue exists, and appreciate you bringing it up!
I had the exact same problem, and the insides of my ankles are bloody after every run. I started bandaging my ankles before every run, but it’s a nuisance, and it sure hurts.
I have exactly the same issue, it usually happens if I have to negotiate an obsticle and when I get tired, the thing that does the damage is the text on the stabilipod, that's what grates at my ankle, easy solution for altra would be to get rid of the raised text. I have two pairs, 4.0 and 4.5both do the same thing. I'm usually a UK size 10 and becasie of other reviews bought UK 10.5. Never been able to try a 10 to know how they would fit, but the arch for me in the UK 10.5 seems a little far forward.
I found the heel to be a bit sloppy. Didn't get great lock down in the heel with these. The lack of an extra lace hole also doesn't help with the lock down for me..
Well hello, GSNO. You have a great point with the lack of a "lock" hole beyond the final eyelet. We actually feel like the heel in the Paradigm 4.0 is significantly more dialed in than prior versions of the Paradigm. While Altras like the Escalante Racer and Duo have FANTASTIC heel lock-downs, we have had no issues with the Paradigm...but we're also not running in it at the speeds we're knocking out in the other tow. Good luck with your running!
greetings from Argentina!! I am size 13 just like you, in your opinion, is there a variability in the characteristics of the shoes depending on the size? since there is a lot of difference in size between a 9 and a 13
Hi friend, normally, i use a 8 USA size on merrell shoes, like vapor glove or trail glove. So, what size will be fine for me on altra? Same size than merrell?? Thanks and great channel! :)
Hi Juan! These Altras should run true to size. We've had some issues with consistency with this brand in the past, but they are pretty on-point now. Thanks for watching!
It could be worse. We saw some Adidas for $230 the other day...and we promise these Altras are both more cushioned and more accommodating to a "normal" foot than those marquis runners. :)
How was the sizing on the P4? ( True to size, size up, size down?) Also how was the toe box? Is the toe box wide like Altra's of old or is it like post 2016 Altra's with a more narrow toe box? Finally nice info video. Thank you.
Hi Bobay. We find the Paradigm 4 runs pretty true to size (unlike prior versions, which did shift around a bit). The toe box remains wide, although aesthetically it APPEARS a bit narrower than in the past. The big difference to us was the narrower HEEL area, not the changes in the toe box (so if your foot is wide throughout it may be a bit tighter in the mid-foot area).
We're not seeing that much, Michael. We have customers with hundreds of miles on these shoes, and have had no feedback they are "flattening" out more than previous models. We'll keep paying attention and update if we see anything different! Thanks for the question - it's an important factor for a highly cushioned shoe.
Not to our knowledge. It's advertised as being 0.5oz (10.7 vs. 10.2oz) heavier than its predecessor, and our scales confirm this difference across sizes.
I love your videos. Some of the most informative on UA-cam. For gods sake stop playing music through the entire video. I don’t need to listen to music when I’m trying to watch a highly informative and good quality shoe review. I could understand if it was shorter but please keep the length. The longer the better but for GODS SAKE STOP PLAYING MUSIC FOR THE ENTIRE VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi d v! Honesty time: arch height has very little to do with injury rate. The arch is designed to flex, and most (OK, all...) of the studies associating arch height with injury rates or shoe choice have been pretty much debunked. And, since we're on the issue, we need to point out that shoes don't actually fix PF. SO...with that said, this is actually a pretty good shoe for both of the items you mentioned. The arch area fits more snugly, which tends to be more comfortable for folks with high arches. It doesn't SOLVE anything, but it should feel pretty darned good! WRT PF, the only thing that we know of that will make that go away is successfully strengthening your foot muscles to the point they can take the train that your running style inflicts on them. BUT, these are very well padded shoes, and our experience is that folks with PF may be able to run more effectively when they wear padded shoes - the extra padding provides a barrier between the impact of the ground and the foot, and allow you move when you would otherwise not be able to. MOVING is key to building up the muscles that support your plantar tendon, and as a result it is a great first step. Good luck - we hope you feel better soon!!
They are compared favorably a lot. The two biggest differences we see: 1) The toe box is clearly more rounded on the Paradigm. If you have a normal width foot with a rounder or square foot, you'll probably like ANY Altra better than a HOKA. The Bondi does off a wide version, but it still has a tapered toe box and is a truly wide shoe - ie. it's wide from toe to heel, not just in the toe box. 2) The amount of "rock" in the footbed. The Bondi has one of the smoothest heel-to-toe transition of any shoe we know of...its just a roll from back to front. So great for walking or for heel strikers. If you hit more towards the middle- or fore-foot the rocker provides a bit of a launch forward. Altras tend to be a bit flatter in their strike, counting on a solid landing to push off and run well. Ignore the "Guide Rails" as a differentiation, since that's what all HOKAs do anyway and it just results in a consistent landing for both shoes. Good luck!
As we mentioned to Wesley in a similar request, we thought we had reviewed it in the past, but apparently either didn't or didn't complete the editing. At this point we'll probably wait for the 2.0, since it is in the pipeline and will be a pretty dramatic change from the 1.0 and 1.5. In a nutshell: we love the Escalante for daily runs, hanging out, and most everything EXCEPT fast runs that involve turns. The upper is WONDERFUL, but provides too much movement to be a good shoe on corners (speed and turning is where the racer comes in). The 1/1.5 are definitely our choice for recovery runs and as a daily kick-around shoe, since there are 2mm more cushion and a "bedroom slipper" type fit that just makes us want to have them on. FWIW, the two models are virtually indistinguishable - we generally don't even think of it as a 0.5 update...if you like one, you'll like the other!
Hi Sue. We're going to save some time and repost our answer to a similar question (you asked first, but we missed it...sorry!). We hope this helps! "We avoid all "high cushion" shoes for our shortest runs, since the additional rubber creates a delay between the time you create an input (pushing down on the surface) and the time the output occurs. In our opinion, this can confuse muscles and - in rare situations - lead to injury. For many folks, races up to a 5k or 10k are "sprint" type races, and make an extremely cushioned shoe more of a liability than a benefit. It is a good point that for folks looking to "complete" this distance (who may not be as focused on racing times and lightning speed), the shoes would be a perfectly good solution. We were speaking in general and comparative terms, and appreciate your request for clarification. Most of us would consider a 1/2 marathon a "distance" race, where hard inputs on the ground are less common and most folks slow down a bit on pace. In our opinion the Paradigm is a great solution in those endurance events!"
To put it another way, its so companies can sell you another shoe for faster workouts or speed work. You can use a more cushioned shoe for this type of running, especially if you fall into the 98% of the running population (like I do), and you are NOT an elite marathoner running well below 8 minute miles at any distance. But if you were, you wouldn't be asking this question.
Hmm interesting! I am average 9-10 min miles but I do find that it is better on longer runs. Shorter runs seem to be harder to run faster and it feels heavier for speed but comfortable for long steady runs.. annoying to need a different shoe for different runs though I agree
Nathan's shoe reviews are the best on UA-cam IMHO.
Matt, you just made our day. Thanks so much! We hear Nathan's going to bookmark this comment and pull it up every time he's having a down moment! :)
First of all...best shoe reviews on the internet. No lie. Nobody is more knowledgeable, professional, informative, and witty. Second of all I love how even as a retail seller you aren’t afraid to be truthful about a shoe. Roadrunner talks up every single shoe like it’s the best and their favorite. 3rd, I don’t dig the background music, but I fully understand why you put it in there so all good. Much respect. Can’t wait to buy a pair of shoes from you one day. ✌🏻
Oh my I was really on the fence with this shoe but pulled the trigger and oh my lord I am so happy I did , these are sooooo comfortable and stabilize my feet while giving me plenty of cushion as well
I have both the 4.0 and 4.5
The differences I noticed were that the 4.5 toe box is lacking the holes for the toes to get some ventilation.
As in the 4.5 has a sealed toe box inside the upper :(
Also the internal upper structure reinforcements has changed from the 4.0,
For me the 4.0 is ideal for hotter weather and the 4.5 for cold weather.
They’re basically beefier Escalantes ;)
That is a solid review man. Can you do more vs videos, please?
As far as the "guiderails" in this shoe, its not unique to only Altras. The Brooks Transcend has the "guiderails" also. Currently running in the Brooks Transcend 4, and they feel great. I agree with what you said about pronation, and it not being a negative term referring to injury. It seems that many people actually don't understand that, and seem to think of it a negative or misunderstood buzz word such as "gluten", rather than an essential part of human movement. Its consistent or repetitive OVER-pronation that may lead to injury issues for some runners. Good review, looking forward to giving these shoes a try. I have a pair of Altra provisions that I also use in addition to my aforementioned Brooks.
Thanks for the added color! We're pretty sure "guiderails" are more of a marketing term than a construction method, so we hesitated to use it. As for over-pronation, we were disappointed when we learned there is no actual, scientific definition of this term, and we're confused how a running store would properly identify someone who pronated "too much". To the best of our understanding, somewhere between 3-5% of the total human population truly "over" pronates, and very few of those folks actually participate in running as a sport or hobby due to other - potentially related - biomechanical issues. The fact that 30-40% of the shoes sold today correct for that particular issue is a classic example of over-prescription and is (to our feeble minds) completely irresponsible.
Yes, to my feeble mind this also seems like over prescription, and marketing... When I was a kid in elementary school, my friends and I would be very excited when it was time to get a new pair of sneakers. Our Moms and Dads would take us to the local shoe store for a brand new pair of canvas Pro-Keds, or maybe a pair of suede Pumas. We thought they were the best pair of sneakers you could possibly have. We were just young kids, joking that these new shoes could make us run faster. Even as kids, we knew this was just the fun and excitement of having a new pair of kicks, and we couldn't actually run faster because of these shoes. I think the marketing of many shoes plays off this type of thinking, hoping to make us believe that a new and improved high tech form of foam, gel, or ultra mega boost material will magically propel us from a 55 minute 10K to a super fast 42 minute run. Giving us super speedy energy return, and guiding us effortlessly mile after mile. Not really going to happen, but as a runner, and a guy into running shoes, its fun to play into that just for a little while when you get bust out a new pair of shoes right out of the box. Hope you enjoyed that additional unsolicited color. Don't even get me started on smart watches and fitness trackers hahaha.
Best review of any product that I have ever seen hands down!!! Thanks very much!!!
Oh, we're framing this one. Thanks, Bill!
Since I found a discounted pair now that the new model is out, I'm going to give this one a shot! So far I've been mostly running in the Escalantes which I love.
And since the Paradigm 4.5 is basically (OK, exactly. As in: we're not even going to bother with a new review its so identical) the same shoe as the Paradigm 4.0, you got one heck of a deal!
Glad they put the harder sole on all the bottom. I burn through the foam areas fast.
I agree with you. I won't buy anything without a full rubber sole anymore. I'm not fast enough for that half ounce to matter anyway! LOL
Right on, Brett. There is significantly more "long wearing" rubber on the bottom of this update...perfect for longer wear!
You're our kind of runner, giff74! Slow and steady, all day long!
Thank you for a very good review of the shoe! I'm planning to buy one online (I live in rural Norway, and the sports stores in the nearest town don't have Altra, so I can't try them on first). I am though confident that I will love Altra Paradigm 4.0 (I have found it on sale a couple of places). But, what you say about pronation confuses me. I'm not a runner at all, I use running shoes for walking and everyday life, because of the extraordinary comfort compared to regular shoes (and the fact that I am completely flat feeted and can have pains in my lower back when standing or walking for longer time, running shoes greatly help to reduce such things). All my running shoes have been stability shoes for over-pronation, and I do visibly see a big difference. My feet will point outwards when I walk in other shoes, or just walk over the floor inside without shoes. With stability running shoes they straighten up and I will naturally walk like "normal". It looks much better, and it feels better too. My feet can relax more in stability shoes. Without stability, I notice I start to compensate by standing more on the outside of the feet, and get tired by doing so. Maybe I have had to many pairs of stability shoes, and have gotten too used to it, I don't know.
I really like shoes with stability, or well, depending. I have so many stupid feet problems, that I really can't find a single pair of shoes that fit perfectly. My last pair is Nike Air Zoom Structure 22 in the wide model. Wide because my feet are so completely flat that they will bow out in the middle, where all shoes are at their most narrow. Right, impossible to find shoes. I sort of like the Nike Zoom Structure, they are almost wide enough in the middle (compared to other shoes that are much worse), and don't have so much of that painful thing in the middle and on the inside of each shoe, that is supposed to build up your foot (and ends up under my foot instead). But, being a wide model, they are wide all over, heels, middle and toe. So is every other wide model shoes from other brands as well. Meaning that the heel are will be too wide for me. Well, not the biggest problem, but slightly annoying.
I have looked at Altra Paradigm for three reasons: They look wide, they look comfortable with lots of cushioning, they are said to be stability shoes, and they have a wide toe box (not that I have wide toes, but I had Morton's neuroma once, and want a wider toe box to prevent having that again, plus that it is way more comfortable with a wider toe box (as it is in my wide model Nike shoes) compared to the narrow toe Asics I have owned in the past).
I really want stability shoes. I don't run, so injuries is probably not a problem. But I like the feel and the estetics, and I feel it helps (but I might imagine it does). I have heard and felt that they have moved away from the traditional way of stabilizing shoes, and instead does it more gently and unnoticeable, like in my new Nike shoes. That is a good thing. Good bye to the harsh old Asics stability. I like the new type much better, with softer cushioning on the outside of the sole and harder on the inside, to guide your foot straight again. It works great and feels great. But, if Altra's stability is so gently that it have just vanished and become a marketing gimmick, then I don't know. I sort of imagine I have read somewhere that Altra had put harder cushioning on the inside and softer on the outside of the sole, to help with stability. Is that correct? (or have I read it in the descriptions of another shoe? I have read so much about so many shoes, it is all messed up, and I can't remember what information belongs to which shoes).
I have not read science reports on pronation. But I'm sure you are right, that stability shoes does not prevent injury and such. But, for many (I guess) that wears stabily shoes, they do it for several reasons, not just injury prevention. For me (and probably for many other as well), it feels much better and more relaxed when you can stand straight up and not sag down in awkward positions, and it looks way better walking with your feet straightened up instead of pointing outwards. I just hope Altra Paradigm have stability features enough to address such things.
Solid feedback, R. We choose to focus on the science part of the equation, and since traditional stability shoes have been shown to increase torque on the knees by as much as 35%+ without any correlating evidence that they solve the problems they purport to solve we avoid them. Generally speaking people tend to believe their own experiences over scientific studies when forced to make a choice (it's just a bias we all tend to have), so "stability" tends to continue to have support in the market (no pun intended). We will note that companies like Brooks, who have long pushed the theory of stability features, are now admitting there's no basis for their claims and adjusting their approach by eliminating the use of traditional "posting" and rebranding their shoes as "guidance". Whatever they want to call it, our stand is that it's more marketing than science, and we try our best not to do stuff just because it's popular. So no stability shoes for us... :)
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Yes, I guess you are right about stability shoes. But since I don't run, only walk, and not very long distances, I don't worry about that 35% increase in torque.
I did buy Altra Paradigm 4.0. I really like them. They do seem to have some stability, though. It feels in the same way as Nike Air Zoom Structure 22. My feet does not point outwards when I walk, so it must be some sort of stabilization, which I like. I really love Altra Paradigm 4.0, except from one thing. And the thing I don't like, is a feature that must be great in warmer climates. But since I live above the Polar Circle, in Northern Norway, we do have mostly cold weather, except from the middle of summer, when it often is too hot. So, the air holes at the toebox is really, really airy. So much that it blows cold air on my feet when walking. That is really lovely when it is hot outside, but not so much when it is cold. It feels like walking in sandals, very cold. So I don't like that. But I can imagine that it must be one of the features people love if they live in Florida or California or such. I can't use my Altra shoes at this time of year here, but I will find something to cover up the holes to allow me to use my Altra year round. They are way more comfortable and soft compared to Nike Air zoom Structure 22.
Yes, another thing I don't like is that the midshoe is too narrow. But, again, it is nothing wrong with the shoes. It is my feet that is totally opposite of what feet are supposed to be shaped like. So my feet at its widest in the middle. My Nike shoes is a wide model, meaning the midshoe fits but the heel are too wide. So it is impossible to find shoes that fit perfectly anyway.
I can higly recommend Altra Paradigm 4.0. They are so soft and comfortable that it is almost unbelievable.
I 'd like to know why do you say "I wouldn't run a 5K, or any track work, but for recovery days and long run...." Isn't a shoe to run a half marathon then?
Hi Simona! We avoid all "high cushion" shoes for our shortest runs, since the additional rubber creates a delay between the time you create an input (pushing down on the surface) and the time the output occurs. In our opinion, this can confuse muscles and - in rare situations - lead to injury. For many folks, races up to a 5k or 10k are "sprint" type races, and make an extremely cushioned shoe more of a liability than a benefit. It is a good point that for folks looking to "complete" this distance (who may not be as focused on racing times and lightning speed), the shoes would be a perfectly good solution. We were speaking in general and comparative terms, and appreciate your request for clarification. Most of us would consider a 1/2 marathon a "distance" race, where hard inputs on the ground are less common and most folks slow down a bit on pace. In our opinion the Paradigm is a great solution in those endurance events!
I absolutely enjoy your reviews! You have a great depth of footwear knowledge.
So, would the Paradigm be the perfect Altra for working all day on concrete floors? I run on trails and the road. Which road Altra is the equivalent of the Lone Peak 3.5?
Torin
Hi giff74! We're with Blake on this one - the Torin is closest to the Lone Peak with regards to cushion. The foot shape is a bit different, however, with the Torin having a slightly narrower (although not overly narrow) heel. Be sure to try these on, but we think most folks will be happy alternating between these two!
I asked altra about their sneakers for supination and they recommended paradigm and provision. The reviews I’ve read state that they are for overpronation. I’m confused on this classification.
I recently ordered the Paradigm - August 23, 2019. The first time I ran in them and each time thereafter - I kicked my ankle bones! The stabilipod on the inside of the shoe has gouged my ankles big time! Anyone else have that problem? I sent them back. I was sad, too, because the support and response is amazing!
We're pretty sure that is something Altra is working to address. We've never had the issue ourselves, and don't think it was mentioned in the review. But we think the issue exists, and appreciate you bringing it up!
I had the exact same problem, and the insides of my ankles are bloody after every run. I started bandaging my ankles before every run, but it’s a nuisance, and it sure hurts.
I have exactly the same issue, it usually happens if I have to negotiate an obsticle and when I get tired, the thing that does the damage is the text on the stabilipod, that's what grates at my ankle, easy solution for altra would be to get rid of the raised text. I have two pairs, 4.0 and 4.5both do the same thing. I'm usually a UK size 10 and becasie of other reviews bought UK 10.5. Never been able to try a 10 to know how they would fit, but the arch for me in the UK 10.5 seems a little far forward.
I found the heel to be a bit sloppy. Didn't get great lock down in the heel with these. The lack of an extra lace hole also doesn't help with the lock down for me..
Well hello, GSNO. You have a great point with the lack of a "lock" hole beyond the final eyelet. We actually feel like the heel in the Paradigm 4.0 is significantly more dialed in than prior versions of the Paradigm. While Altras like the Escalante Racer and Duo have FANTASTIC heel lock-downs, we have had no issues with the Paradigm...but we're also not running in it at the speeds we're knocking out in the other tow. Good luck with your running!
greetings from Argentina!! I am size 13 just like you, in your opinion, is there a variability in the characteristics of the shoes depending on the size? since there is a lot of difference in size between a 9 and a 13
Hi friend, normally, i use a 8 USA size on merrell shoes, like vapor glove or trail glove. So, what size will be fine for me on altra? Same size than merrell?? Thanks and great channel! :)
Hi Juan! These Altras should run true to size. We've had some issues with consistency with this brand in the past, but they are pretty on-point now. Thanks for watching!
How is the fit compared to the 2.0 and 3.0?
My old paradigm 2.0s are starting to run thin. I REALLY want these shoes, but at $150 - damn.
It could be worse. We saw some Adidas for $230 the other day...and we promise these Altras are both more cushioned and more accommodating to a "normal" foot than those marquis runners. :)
How was the sizing on the P4? ( True to size, size up, size down?) Also how was the toe box? Is the toe box wide like Altra's of old or is it like post 2016 Altra's with a more narrow toe box? Finally nice info video. Thank you.
Hi Bobay. We find the Paradigm 4 runs pretty true to size (unlike prior versions, which did shift around a bit). The toe box remains wide, although aesthetically it APPEARS a bit narrower than in the past. The big difference to us was the narrower HEEL area, not the changes in the toe box (so if your foot is wide throughout it may be a bit tighter in the mid-foot area).
@@TheUltraRunningCompany, Thank you!!
Some people are complaining of the cushion going flat after not much usage. Any thoughts on this?
We're not seeing that much, Michael. We have customers with hundreds of miles on these shoes, and have had no feedback they are "flattening" out more than previous models. We'll keep paying attention and update if we see anything different! Thanks for the question - it's an important factor for a highly cushioned shoe.
Isn't the 4.0 lighter than the previous design?
Not to our knowledge. It's advertised as being 0.5oz (10.7 vs. 10.2oz) heavier than its predecessor, and our scales confirm this difference across sizes.
I love your videos. Some of the most informative on UA-cam. For gods sake stop playing music through the entire video. I don’t need to listen to music when I’m trying to watch a highly informative and good quality shoe review. I could understand if it was shorter but please keep the length. The longer the better but for GODS SAKE STOP PLAYING MUSIC FOR THE ENTIRE VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is this good for high arches and suffering from PF?
Hi d v! Honesty time: arch height has very little to do with injury rate. The arch is designed to flex, and most (OK, all...) of the studies associating arch height with injury rates or shoe choice have been pretty much debunked. And, since we're on the issue, we need to point out that shoes don't actually fix PF. SO...with that said, this is actually a pretty good shoe for both of the items you mentioned. The arch area fits more snugly, which tends to be more comfortable for folks with high arches. It doesn't SOLVE anything, but it should feel pretty darned good! WRT PF, the only thing that we know of that will make that go away is successfully strengthening your foot muscles to the point they can take the train that your running style inflicts on them. BUT, these are very well padded shoes, and our experience is that folks with PF may be able to run more effectively when they wear padded shoes - the extra padding provides a barrier between the impact of the ground and the foot, and allow you move when you would otherwise not be able to. MOVING is key to building up the muscles that support your plantar tendon, and as a result it is a great first step. Good luck - we hope you feel better soon!!
are they suitable for walking ?
We think so!
Any comparison vs Hoka Bondi 6 ? They seem similiar, and i'm trying to decide between the two
They are compared favorably a lot. The two biggest differences we see: 1) The toe box is clearly more rounded on the Paradigm. If you have a normal width foot with a rounder or square foot, you'll probably like ANY Altra better than a HOKA. The Bondi does off a wide version, but it still has a tapered toe box and is a truly wide shoe - ie. it's wide from toe to heel, not just in the toe box. 2) The amount of "rock" in the footbed. The Bondi has one of the smoothest heel-to-toe transition of any shoe we know of...its just a roll from back to front. So great for walking or for heel strikers. If you hit more towards the middle- or fore-foot the rocker provides a bit of a launch forward. Altras tend to be a bit flatter in their strike, counting on a solid landing to push off and run well. Ignore the "Guide Rails" as a differentiation, since that's what all HOKAs do anyway and it just results in a consistent landing for both shoes. Good luck!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany very informative!! Thank you so much
Thank you!
Where’s the Escalante 1.5 review?
As we mentioned to Wesley in a similar request, we thought we had reviewed it in the past, but apparently either didn't or didn't complete the editing. At this point we'll probably wait for the 2.0, since it is in the pipeline and will be a pretty dramatic change from the 1.0 and 1.5. In a nutshell: we love the Escalante for daily runs, hanging out, and most everything EXCEPT fast runs that involve turns. The upper is WONDERFUL, but provides too much movement to be a good shoe on corners (speed and turning is where the racer comes in). The 1/1.5 are definitely our choice for recovery runs and as a daily kick-around shoe, since there are 2mm more cushion and a "bedroom slipper" type fit that just makes us want to have them on. FWIW, the two models are virtually indistinguishable - we generally don't even think of it as a 0.5 update...if you like one, you'll like the other!
why wouldn't you use this shoe for faster workouts / short distances?
Hi Sue. We're going to save some time and repost our answer to a similar question (you asked first, but we missed it...sorry!). We hope this helps!
"We avoid all "high cushion" shoes for our shortest runs, since the additional rubber creates a delay between the time you create an input (pushing down on the surface) and the time the output occurs. In our opinion, this can confuse muscles and - in rare situations - lead to injury. For many folks, races up to a 5k or 10k are "sprint" type races, and make an extremely cushioned shoe more of a liability than a benefit. It is a good point that for folks looking to "complete" this distance (who may not be as focused on racing times and lightning speed), the shoes would be a perfectly good solution. We were speaking in general and comparative terms, and appreciate your request for clarification. Most of us would consider a 1/2 marathon a "distance" race, where hard inputs on the ground are less common and most folks slow down a bit on pace. In our opinion the Paradigm is a great solution in those endurance events!"
To put it another way, its so companies can sell you another shoe for faster workouts or speed work. You can use a more cushioned shoe for this type of running, especially if you fall into the 98% of the running population (like I do), and you are NOT an elite marathoner running well below 8 minute miles at any distance. But if you were, you wouldn't be asking this question.
Hmm interesting! I am average 9-10 min miles but I do find that it is better on longer runs. Shorter runs seem to be harder to run faster and it feels heavier for speed but comfortable for long steady runs.. annoying to need a different shoe for different runs though I agree