**NEW** Orc & Goblin Tribes Arcane Journal, First Impressions - Warhammer The Old World (Review)
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I can understand the bars to entry for a new player wanting to do the armies of renown, but speaking personally, I can't wait to fire up the printer and start printing off trolls and cavalry so i can play my orcs in all sorts of different ways.
Oh 100% I think if you have the means and capability to get either of these armies it would be fun! It’s just that a more accessible army of renown option could have catered to a larger group of players perhaps
@@sn_dc I think with the orc book maybe there’s already so many builds you can already do? Don’t get me wrong, I can’t afford to pay GW prices for a troll army, but if I was starting, you don’t actually need to buy or print that many third party trolls to have a viable army. It would also be pretty quick to paint. I had in all honesty been hoping for a night goblin and a savage army, but you can pretty much do them already
People already seem to be perfectly able to put together Night Goblin/Black Orc/Night Goblin & Black Orc armies from the original list so what would be the point in doing more of that with the arcane journal? Especially where the Night Goblins are concerned I think several special/rare options are dependent on fielding Night Goblin units and characters so they're covered already. Agree that they could have done something based on Savage Orcs and that that would have suited quite a lot of people as they seem to have been the way to go in 8th Ed so lots of people must have them. Could have been good fun on the fluff side though that's true of trolls and the cavalry list too.
There's so much variety available in the original list that creating special lists like this is more likely to be a case of what's excluded rather than what's included. That sounds like it's the case with the nomadic list though the troll one seems to be more new stuff which is probably a good thing. Think it's a bit of a shame they've included black orcs at all in the nomadic one as it was an opportunity to try to get people to field normal orc heroes. Think it's a bit of a shame though entirely understandable that at least on the internet the response to O&G has been to avoid the flavour of orcs and goblins - impetuous(animosity), orcs being tough and fighty but not much armour, goblins being pretty useless but a necessary part of the thing etc. Feels like everyone just wants nothing to do with that so goes Black Orc/Night Goblin with lots of fanatics which is fair enough as that very likely will make the most successful armies, but they're not really orc and goblin armies if the only orcs and goblins are the handful on chariots or crewing war machines.
Think both the new armies look quite a lot of fun and one of them at least will be mostly actual orcs and goblins even if none of them are on foot and it still ends up being led by a black orc (yawn).
Perhaps I didn’t convey in the video enough that I think both the options for an AoR are a cool concepts, and would love to do a Nomadic Waaagh myself!
I was just thinking that they are a lot more restrictive to O&G players who would have probably a large range in their army but (like me) are unable to make either AoR without significant investment (£££, time) which is a bit of a shame!
I was also thinking a NG AoR would have been cool because of the range of models available, also a Lore of the Badmoon, some special rules associated with an all NG list! Anyway, thanks for your insights! 😊
@@sn_dc Agree that the two ideas in the book look fun and don't get me wrong, I like Night Goblins an awful lot, the original models are some of the best ever for any faction. And I think it's really good that it is possible to run an all NG army and it be effective. I do feel the 'Grand Army' has that covered though. Don't think they really 'need' a new spell lore as they're probably the most common magic users in the O&G army list as it is, but of course just because we don't need something that doesn't mean it wouldn't be fun to have!
Would still like there to be a role for ordinary goblins though and that was missed from the main list - I guess the majority of players these days don't like being forced to take things that they'd rather not have just to give their army its proper flavour which is why we get all the moaning about 'core tax' etc. I guess that's just how way it is, but I do think there are things in the main list that could have been only available if you run goblin mobs and heroes same as the NG special things are linked to running NG units and characters - that ship had already sailed anyway of course.
More optimistic for Orcs as while they seem to be put in the shade by Black Orcs they still actually look to have quite a bit in their favour and could well be effective even if perhaps not first choice for tournament players.
Of course anyone who buys the 'Battalion Box' will end up with plenty of ordinary orcs and goblins so they should be making it into battle down the line regardless of their merits relative to other options!
I don’t think a night goblin detachment would have added much - we’re already running that with the ravening hordes list. Forest goblins & savage orcs would be fun, but I’m also not sure it *needs* a detachment with so many core options. I don’t know if “people won’t be able to run this with their current models” is too big a problem. These are hobby projects, right? I see your point but I feel like the ones we got open up more exciting and novel options.
Great video! I really liked the shorter format for this review
Thanks Buddy
Thanks! Yer didn’t want to drag it out 😊
A Nomadic Waaagh would be great. Already, Boar Boyz are a great unit with good punch. What Orc doesn't like more punching? And the Spider Banner returns? Yay!
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Yer it’s a very cool army concept, I do like it! Might take a while to get one together though haha 😅
@@sn_dc - Looking forward to your Waaaghs!
@sn_dc I was blessed with a great group back in old fantasy so was able to get a ton of greenskins for trade or cheap. Boar Boyz being strong again makes me happy. I may have a ton of wolf riders as well...
@@newtpondskipper - Nice. Wolf Riders are a bit harder to use maybe, but can make for great chaff. Kind of wish the models would get updated though...
I think the nomadic waaagh is good for people starting out with Orcs & Goblins because it’s a low model count, straight forward & the limited unit choices actually makes list build far more approachable.
I wonder if I can put thinking orcs at on goblin boss? That would be way to make unit of wolf raiders with boss that will actually function like it should for like 120 p.
I agree with those were kind of weird choices. I kind of expected Night goblin centric and savage orcs centric. I do not think many people will have model for those maybe it is designed to force buying of a lot of new models?
Agreed buddy
Great point, but I’m not sure they’re even selling Boar Boyz or Trolls right now right? For the Old World. I saw some made-to-order Stone Trolls
@@sn_dcWell AoS trolls are aviable and they are river trolls and stone trolls basically. Just swap bases. As for boar boyz they are not selling them right now but they anounced they will.
The scenario sounds a bit like the old ambush of Josef Bugman's beer caravan from the White Dwarfs.
It actually is
It’s a cool scenario! Gives me Shadow of the Horned Rat vibes
Lucky I already have 18 trolls ( 6 of each Type) & I just got the troll hag (Australia got the drop on this one)…so I’m looking to a troll horde. I’m thinking about an O&G army with very very few actual green skins :)
Jelous!!
My last WFHB O&G army thats been waiting for this is all mounted. What the RoR gives is the ability to take blocks of wolf riders with close order. All savage, NG or what have you is doable in the regular list.The regular list would give my army no rank bonus.
What disappoints me with the RoR is that my old list was really all mounted. Spiders, squigs and everything else a greenskin could ride. I'd take those gnoblars that ride on the shoulders of other gnoblars if I could. Unfortunately, this list is even more restrictive than just sticking to mounted guys.
It’s more restrictive than that Gregory, you can’t take spider riders, or Arachnarocs or squid hoppers in the nomadic waaagghh
Also my point to a NG army of renown was for more unit options (perhaps from the AOs range) and a Lore of the Badmoon, also some special rules specifically for a NG army! Considering a lot of player have Night Goblins it would also be more accessible 😊
As regards the new lists: there's nothing available from GW to do the Bret Exiles either, no bombards, Brigands etc. If you wanted to do that with GW models you're going to be digging out your old THIRD EDITION Army (which I think is great, personally). I get the point you're making about struggling to do thus stuff RIGHT NOW but they are not just written for new players in mind. It's Nostalgia: The Game and is just as much written for old grogs like me.
As regards Orc lists imagine that you were thinking of a Savage Orc Waagh or an all Night Goblin list? Counterpoint to that is that you can already do those with the base list anyway and that, secondly, GW is not pushing ANYTHING that's extant in its AoS range. Note there is not a single picture of a Savage Orc or NG model in ANY of the books.
I feel they missed a trick by not including the Snotling Horde personally.
Sorry for the CAPS. I'm not shouting, there's just no way to provide emphasis in UA-cam comments.
Yer I agree it’s not that I disliked the two armies of renown I think they’re cool concepts. But, I’m an Orc & Goblin player myself and when I opened the book (with much enthusiasm) to see what armies I could create I suddenly found I could do neither without significant investment, while already having a decent O&G army size - granted a lot of it needs finishing or painting haha
It’s great there are more options, but perhaps a Night Goblins AoR with a Lore of the Bad Moon, and some special rules for them etc would have been more accessible? Anyway thanks for the insights!! 😊
The Armies of Renown aren't necessary and are just alternative ways to build.
Lots of peeps I know do have the stuff to build these armies.
Ultimately they're fun bonuses to leaning into a theme which does mean an investment of time and money.
I don't really get the complaint if I'm honest.
I also can easily see them doing more AoR in future campaign books ala Middle-earth.
You can ally Armies of Infamy with with Grand Alliance armies, thus you still can include BlOrc chariots in your vanilla army as allies, - unless there is a rule that makes them an exception I'm not aware of.
You can for sure! It’s just you have to pay a ‘tax’ in terms of character a etc, that being said a Black Orc warboss on a chariot is so cool haha
Is this out now or did you et early access?
it's out for pre-order today
He said it in the opening sentence…
Out for pre order
Both named charactrs ate kind of cool. And can fuction very well with normal army I think. The troll shaman guy can in my opuinion have place in any army with at least minimum presence of trolls. And wolf rider guy is basically a way to give unit of wof raider place in your army that they do not have this eddition really as their main apeal of being super fast flankers is taken away by impetiouocity (yes you can mitigate it but than they have to stay close to ypur foce witch means they do not rewally have role that something else cant do better). But with ambushers, I can see taking a unit to hunt warmachines and run backline interference. I am only sad there is no way to put ambushers on spider raiders. That would give them reason to exist.
I want to make an army of Goblins + trolls with maybe an Orc warlord, what do you think?
Love it!
Also my plan. I've been in 2 minds for what my second army should be, but the Troll Horde has me sold!
I still have some of my dad's old orcs and goblins form the 1990's. I am hoping they are in good enough condition to use potentially@@aaronishappy
For a bit of inspiration….im currently planning on a troll horde with 6 common trolls, 6 stone trolls & 6 river trolls. Supported by a Troll princess (hag), the new shaman character & an orc war boss on wyvern with troll hide trousers (The 1st Azhag model). Then if I have the points, a unit of bull ogres (using the the metal dogs of war models) & a giant (Ultimately the marauder giant when I get my hands on one…but the plastic in the mean time) *grins*
What’s the story behind it? Why as the Orc Warlord gathered gobbos and trolls? (Love the idea)
Most players don't have the models to play those lists. Thats the game plan for GW. They're counting on players buying new models.
From the spells thay obviously buff trolls. But troll horde would make defensive orc warboss on a wyvern with trollhide trousers and talisman of protection preatty hard to deal with. I mean 3+ armor 5+ rerolable regen and 5+ ward would be super hard to take down. On top of that best spell in the lore outside of course one letting you reroll stupidity is one taht gives stupid units +2M this means trolls are now as fast as frigging havey cav with M of 8 (granted no swisftstride but it is still really fast for trolls)
Some great shouts there! That’s Warboss brain thinkin’ right there
@@sn_dcYa know it gitz DA boss iz in TOWN! XD
It would of been nice to get a giant troll and a hero fighter troll even if they didn’t release models, Just to add some extra flavour.
Yer some more troll options would be cool I agree, there is the Toll Hag but yer a BsB or something would have been sweet!
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i think we ll see more armies of renown in the next editions of the game
I hope so as I think it brings loads of flavour
I think the thinkin Hat is going to be in almost every list.
and also,
START THE WAAAGH!!!!!
Agreed!
Right?! For the points seems like an auto-take!
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Can't disagree more about the armies of renown in this book. I think they're awesome and enough to compel me to expand my collection. I don't think they'd be interesting at all if they just used the models everybody already has but just gave you some new rules.
That’s awesome to hear buddy! Look forward to seeing some lists
Maybe I wasn’t clear in the video, but I like both army of renown concepts! They’re great and add flavour for sure - I’m a little disappointed that the Nomadic Waaagh can’t have spider riders, squig hoppers or the big ol’spider but I love the Black Orc chariot!!
My point was, that unlike the other Arcane Journals so far, this one is a lot more ‘niche’ which I think will limit the amount of people using these army options. I’m an O&G player myself and when I opened up the book I soon realised I couldn’t utilise much of my existing army to make either option - it will take significant investment and time to paint up, which is fine! It’s just that perhaps they could have used (as an example) a Night Goblin AoR with a Lore of the Badmoon, new unit options from the AOS range maybe, and some special rules! Also would have been more accessible as more players have a bunch of Night Goblins sitting around 😊
@sn_dc It's all good, your meaning in the video was clear. For me, spider and squig riders wouldn't fit the theme of a nomadic force. The one in the new journal seems themed around nomadic steppe tribes, whereas spiders and squigs are denizens of the forests abd mountain caverns respectively. Everybody has their own tastes equally valid tastes, though. You made a good video.
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The magic's kind of a disappointment; ork shamans without Da Stomp, Da Fist, and Eadbanger just dont feel Proper Orky (:(
Nomadic WAAAGH! seems preally bad. Becouse there is no way to quell impetiouocity outside of 1 magic item on 1 unit. ... This mean with long moves there will be very little control over itas each and every unit with try to charge 50% of the time when they are in range of enemy. In a game that is all about precise control of movenemt and charging on your own terms that is terrible. Might be fun for a fluff game or two but that is it. Combine it with nececity to propably buy/assemble/paint a lot of new models as very few people will have enough mounted models to fill even 1000 points and we have really niche army that we will rarely see on the table. With Troll horde it is better. Model issue is still there as ourtside of people that run Troll horde of 18 models in 8th very few people will have that many trolls of any kind. And to use it effectively you propably want like 50% of the army in trolls that is like 6-8 units of 3 trolls minimum.