Jeff Fowler showed up at my screening after the movie, and though he didn’t confirm anything, when he asked the audience who they were expecting in the post credit scene he specifically asked “Metal Sonic?” So it’s for sure something that is on his radar
As soon as I heard "50 years" I had an idea of the direction they were heading but didn't think they'd follow through, with how much lore they changed I didn't actually expect much Sonic Adventure outside of the helicopter that said SA-2 on it. Of course I was wrong and they did include Shadow, but that leaves a lot of questions. I was accepting of some stuff such as the chaos emeralds... bizarrely enough... being inside the master emerald. I don't get why, but by the end of the movie the became separate entities so it's fine. I was really expecting Angel Island when the light came out of the ocean, but I guess labyrinth zone was faithfully depicted... even though it's everyone's most hated zone in Sonic history. I hope they don't change too much of Shadow's lore like they did with elements of this movie. While I get the need to not be too preictable... if they want to focus on human characters like in the other two movies, they HAVE to include Maria, and get her right! If they screw up Shadow or don't include Maria, who was a central character to Shadow's story in Sonic Adventure 2... then I'm not going to watch another Sonic movie from Paramount because this is when the Sonic franchise experiemented with a more serious story, and it paid off big time with Shadow being a fan favorite, for better or worse. Sonic 3 will be the make it or break it point. Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my favorite Sonic game of all time but if they mess with Sonic Adventure 2's story too much I'm going to be upset.
@@BlueAmpharos I feel like it would be super difficult to incorporate Maria into Shadow's backstory without it messing with the pacing heavily. Sonic 2 was already pretty bad with exposition so I don't know how well it would work. I feel a spin off movie focusing entirely on shadow would be better to explain his backstory.
@@basiltheleafeon You don't have to dedicate 10-15 minutes to a dead character to show how important they are to Shadow. Subtle mentions of her, a brief monologue/backstory, even having a scene of Shadow remembering her in silence for a moment by himself before something else happens. All can easily display how important Maria is to Shadow if done right.
I was surprised how much I liked the relationship between Sonic and Knuckles. The scene in Siberia where they realize that they both lost their families was really well done and more complex than I would have expected. Also the coffee shop being called “The mean bean” made me so happy.
For me the wedding scene is worth it just for the joke where it gets revealed that every single person there is a GUN agent. Easily the funniest joke in the movie, especially when the priest reveals that his Bible actually is a gun container. But yeah, definitely could chop some minutes off.
That, and even though I saw the "mixed up Sonic's ring for the wedding ring" gag coming a mile away, the payoff was still funny. Plus I was a little unfairly predisposed towards tolerating it because the whole time I was just thinking "Oh, my mom would really like this part". lol
'Operation Catfish' had me cracking up pretty good and while it did keep a little too long they at least tied everything up well enough. From the Doughnut Lord being made a pansy being explained by everyone being Gun Agents to the cleanup of the characters afterwards.
I think it's worth seeing Maddie break into the hotel to save Sonic, Tom, and Tails! That's pretty cool! Definitely does the whole "woman-doesn't-need-a-man" thing much better than Frozen ever did! Yeah, the wedding stuff could have been shorter, but still!
Knuckles punching the Master Emerald out of Robotnik was some quality lore consistency. I think the Chaos Emeralds kinda got sent to like the Special Stage dimension or whatever, separate from the Master Emerald.
But the chaos emeralds fused together to become the master emerald in this movie, and when it shatters, the 7 chaos emeralds are used for Sonic to turn super. while in the games the master emerald is the server to the 7 chaos emeralds, being seperate from each other.
@@RyneMcKinney yeah but you see knuckles rebuild what was left over. So it’s the remaining power that was left behind by the chaos emeralds. You even see the new one is much much smaller that the original one.
They did dragon ball away after the sonic turned off the super. I really enjoyed the nod to the Fleetway comics when Knuckles mentions a personality change that can come from the super form. The master emerald was more imbedded with the Chaos Emeralds instead of fusing. They fell out with the broken shards of the master emerald. Without them, the master emerald still holds some power but is no longer a one stop shop, bend the universe type. Now smaller and still holding a connection to the chaos emeralds... I kindof miss the retconned lore of the Archie comics and the interconnection between them but the movie did good with the intro to each.
Let me get this straight: You comment something that is unrelated to the fact that I have two HEAVENLY HANDSOME girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest UA-camr ever, having two handsome girlfriends is really incredible. Yet you did not mention that at all. I am quite disappointed, dear jab
honestly, now that the 3rd movie is confirmed, that movie could totally bomb and id be fine, because shadow the fucking hedgehog being shown to a massive audience is such a fucking ludicrous thing that the achievement itself is enough to satisfy me. thats that kind of shit i could only dream about as a kid and now weve peaked
@@thedarklrd6714 True. Shadow is an extremely confused character right now, who knows how Sonic Movie 3 will choose to adapt him. Shadow fans should be especially worried, since Shadow's film portrayal will no doubt shape the character going forward.
Actually the chaos emeralds did fly away dragon ball style. For a brief second you see them shoot away in the distance. The master emerald rebuilt by Knuckles from the remaining piece was clearly smaller than the one introduced meaning it lost the chaos emeralds inside.
I imagine since Shadow and presumably the Ark are gonna be part of the plot of Sonic 3 there'll be a hunt for the emeralds since they're needed for Chaos Control and crashing the Ark into earth
Ah, a spoiler heavy video where I can finally expel a wall of thoughts: - Who the hell were the "human" characters who arrived at the Mushroom planet before Knuckles? - I liked the wedding scene (although I wish the banner behind the Tornado was on fire in the last shot because it was a dumpster-fire), but was GUNs plan really "Lets concoct a fake relationship which results in a marriage so we can catch Sonic...who isn't invited...wait." - The dance-off was of course for the kids but could have been a bit less...weird for the rest of us. - While I appreciate the sentiment, having Sonic call Tom "Dad" was rather strange (isn't it?!). I know there was the sub-plot of Sonic "being a kid" but...are Tails and Knuckles also their kids now? Sonic now has the squad, experienced god-powers and has a new big-bad coming in Shadow in S3. It felt a bit of a backwards step. And yes. Give us Live and Learn..please.
As far as G.U.N's master plan goes... I think it makes sense. It wasn't actually the plan to capture Sonic AT the wedding, instead they were planning on infiltration, getting an agent into the family who can supply information, and take opportunities to capture Sonic that wouldn't otherwise be available.
@@HellfireComms Alright, that probably could've been better explained in the movie, because not everyone will read the comic before hand. A tiny bit of exposition on that would've helped (unless I somehow missed that while watching).
Can you imagine if they didn't stray from Shadow's backstory in the games for the next one though? I would love to hear what reviewers think of Shadow being created as a result of fantasy AIDS research with the help from blood from an alien that wants to enslave humanity as a food source
@@Mugen2024 Neuro-Immune Deficiency Syndrome, or NIDS, is a fictional autoimmune disease that Maria Robotnik suffered from. The reason Prof. Gerald Robotnik agreed to work on Project Shadow was because he hoped that the research into immortality would lead to a cure. Shadow the Hedgehog was a bad game with some bad retcons to Shadow's origins, but to be honest his origins were already pretty fucked right from the start anyways.
@@jackpumpoen that's just because who honestly played Shadow the Hedgehog past the first few levels? and of that incredibly small group, who was really paying attention? no one
I definitely think it's possible that the novelization is based on an early draft since many other movie novelizations have several differences from the version that ends up on screen, likely because they are produced alongside the film so they don't have time to adjust for last minute changes to the film
Can we agree that the best part of the film was Sonic and Tails' brotherly hug after the dance off in Siberia? Also, I enjoyed Knuckles' segments throughout the film (like the "Dot dot dot" scene and when he was enamored over sprinkles near the end).
The dance off scene was so stupid and unnecessary… but so damn entertaining that I didn’t care how goofy it was. Especially since Sonic does his Adventure 1 pose!
Well the post credits scene confirms that Gerald's data and research was in their database for all that time before GUN was a thing. Makes sense as the government had ties with Eggman before Sonic 2
Let me just say, the entire theater I was in was screaming and cheering and the people in the row in front of me threw their popcorn bucket in the air when they saw Shadow in the post credits scene. It was a great experience.
Same here and that never happens in movies I go to. I was stoked and even better my 5 year old boy and all the other kids absolutely lost their minds with shadow it was awesome. Whole experience watching this movie was great for me. Excited for S3
Very good movie, although I am VERY excited to see what they'll do next. Didn't even realize in the moment about GUN until I heard it from someone a bit more knowledgeable about sonic than I am.
its mostly the most basic stuff that i laughed at in that movie. example: knuckles saying dot dot dot over and over again was the most hilarious stuff i've ever seen
honestly me too, i haven’t been able to stop thinking about the “they have sprinkles” thing knuckles said. i was laughing uncontrollably through the credits at that shit
this video capitulated my thoughts really well, glad somebody else noticed that ozzie(toms dog) was just left at the house for the entire events of the movie
Regarding the soundtrack, it’s small, but “You Don’t Have To Be Alone Anymore” (the scene where sonic is drowning) has a *very* small drowning theme motif. I thought I noticed it in the movie but I had to double check the soundtrack to be sure, so it’s kinda hard to hear. It’s all that’s there, and it’s very small, but it *is* a musical nod I don’t feel should be ignored.
I have a friend who knows absolutely nothing about Sonic, hadn't even seen the first movie and he enjoyed it, so we Sonic fans are not blinded by our fandom. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is a legitimately good movie. and it was one heck of a fun ride too!
I think i know why the emeralds are tiny.. Its because the master emerald is also MEGA tiny than the game master emerald So it would make sense the chaos emerald are and would be also smaller than the game emeralds. remember this is the movie continuity. yes it does follow the games but not the story or its OWN canon.
True but if you look at the games, sega is not great at emerald continuity. Look at the master emerald’s size in SA1 as apposed to 2. And of course they changed from hex cut to the more standard cut we see today.
Im actually hoping that the Sonic movie Bonus video will come out even slower than this one. Im a patient boy and i can wait, yep i sure can wait. a whole 15 years, im that patient.
Alright, the wedding scenes went on for maybe a bit too long, but man, her husband being a secret agent that wasn't even supposed to marry her came so far out of left field that it had me laughing out loud. As if she hadn't been messed up from sonic enough, a secret agent infiltrates her life, seemingly for no reason so that they can get closer to sonic. It's honestly so nonsensical and absurd that it was genuinely the funniest part of the movie for me. (side note, knuckles really just felt like off-brand Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy.
I saw the movie with my mom and as someone who isn't familiar with Sonic lore, she said the same thing. I still think a Drax-esque Knuckles is better than anything they've done with his character in the last decade, Knuckles was always meant to be a meathead jock but with a strong sense of responsibility/honor. I'm really glad he wasn't just a bumbling idiot, most of the comedy came from his innocence/ignorance of things rather than just plain low intelligence.
About the chaos emeralds they did fly off at the end of the movie when sonic returned back to normal actually, I understand how that could of been missed though they are realllly small.
Yeah Sonic willingly forfeited them Tails: "Sonic, you were the most powerful hero in the universe, and you let it go... why?" Sonic: "well Tails its all part of the script, so that the next big villain in my third movie will be a challenge and the Chaos Emeralds won't make the movie too easy.
@@ryank2780 It does make sense why Sonic got rid of them, to be fair. He pretty much outright states that he doesn’t feel like he could handle that much power since he already knows very well that the power he ALREADY has is still something he has to control, lest he hurt people and destroy his surroundings.
4:45 maybe in the third movie he'll go through the same arc he did in SA1 where he realizes that he can't depend on Sonic forever because nothing last forever yadayada Speaking of the third movie kinda wanted to share another random prediction maybe if Robotnik is killed off Agent Stone will fill in his shoes and discover/team up with Shadow.
I think they're working towards Tails becoming more independent. There were a ton of scenes where Tails basically needs to make excuses for Sonic to maintain his own view of him. He's eventually going to gain self-confidence and no longer need to hold Sonic in such high regard.
I definitely think they left it open for him to die or not because of what Jim Carrie said about retiring. I love the idea of Agent Stone taking over his role to get revenge for his death, and it would pair well with Shadow's revenge for Maria. I just hope they get Shadow right...
@@Olivia-dg4fb i believe if they got Knux and Tails right, i bet they will be able with Shadow aswell although...i see your concern. Shadow has become a joke at this point. A walking edgelord. And while he was edgy before, he was mainly a misguided tragic character when was first introduced
If I had to take a guess on Metal Sonic, I’m thinking that Eggman may get the idea of there being other Sonics to make his own Sonic in movie 4. Heck, from there you could outright replace Eggman with Neo Metal Sonic if Jim Carrey is truly done with acting.
The movie brought back the stoic warrior Knuckles after almost 2 decades of mishandling him, I’m confident they can do Shadow justice too I like Metal Sonic, but I think the IDW comics have done him justice whereas Shadow’s essentially a parody of himself
I haven't seen it yet, but I will say it seems really cool and sweet how love by actual Sonic fans was poured into this film with all the references and such. That kind of passion is rare nowadays and I'm grateful for Sonic fans to enjoy it.
Me too! Also, I didn't realize until that same scene the reference that The Mean Bean was making, how could I forget about Robotniks Mean Bean Machine!
One thing I like about the humor is how it's more separated from the action than in the first movie. Tense scenes actually have room to breathe and build up-like how the climax wouldn't have had the same 'heroes accept their death' moment if it was cluttered with 'Baldy McNosehair' quips every 2 seconds beforehand, and the jokes themselves also don't become stale as a result.
I think Metal Sonic is going to replace Robotnik and serve as the primary threat of the next movie, and Shadow is going to work more like Knuckles did in this one. I want to say that Robotnik is dead, and his assistant is uploading his brain into the robot to get back at Sonic. Final boss is gonna be Metal Sonic with all the chaos emeralds like Sonic Heroes, filling in for Chaos or the Bio Lizard.
@@gigastrike2 The main issue with that might be that Robotnik just hasn't had time to build anything inbetween the 1st and 2nd movie, like if we are getting Metal then he either won't be made by Robotnik or has to be created off-screen somehow. That is, if Jim Carrey doesn't return for the third one like he has said.
Actually you gave me idea. Maybe a little redemption after the whole Forces fiasco, in form of Chaos and Metal Sonic coming back alongside Shadow? I mean it feels like the next logical step for them to base the third movie off the elements of both Adventure games, since this one was based a lot on the second and third game. I would love this interesting combo of 3 villains trying to take down Sonic.
Just saw this movie tonight myself. Knuckles is definitely the highlight of the whole thing - he's bigger and better than he has been for years. We even took a non Sonic fan to see it, and she enjoyed it pretty well too - even agreed that Knuckles was the best part and that the human parts were the weakest part of the movie.
I don't think it's much of a concern that the movies are skipping over some characters. In my mind, there really isn't much reason that they can't just introduce certain characters out of order. The movies have their own separate continuity, so they can be pretty loose with the lore.
I'm a huge lore nerd, and I'll be honest - these changes needed to have been made, I think. The Sonic lore is disjointed and thematically broken, and I'm shocked they were able to bend it over backwards to not only improve it, but to make a great kid's movie out of it. I'm a little suspicious that this is what the canon should have been all along, and I'm shocked that I actually typed that given how I felt before the first movie released lol
I know what you mean. It would like to have Amy, Big, and Rouge in the films because I like those characters, but I understand that they might be hard sells to people not as familiar with the Sonic games. Especially Rouge and her big fat bat tats lol
Frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t follow up on Robotnik having Sonic’s quill as a Segway into making Metal. Dunno what he’s going to do with it in the future if at all but just seemed strange they didn’t do that.
It's still insane to me that both Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 have released with ZERO GAMES to back them up. Nothing recent that people can go and play after all this movie hype!! it feels like wasting the potential to bring new people into the franchise and not just please pre-existing fans. Also great review, I totally loved it as well!
The GUN commander is my favorite character and you can’t change my mind. Agent Stone is also amazing. The writers feel like they’re on crack when writing these borderline animated humans. The movie is at its best when it tries not to be grounded
Can't watch this since I haven't seen the movie but I'm glad it has the Cybershell seal of approval Edit and spoilers: Just watched the movie and I thought it was pretty alright, better than the first but didn't blow my mind or anything. Was pretty disappointed we didn't get to see Angel Island and the Hawaii portion of the movie was so bland and uninteresting and just reminded me of an average adam sandler movie. But other than that it was a pretty fun time and I'm interested in seeing what they do with Shadow.
I was the only one in the theater laughing at how Stone's coffee shop was called "Mean Bean" xD I also really liked how Knuckles was portrayed, he was a good mix of Sonic Boom goofy Knuckles and the more serious, classic Knuckles.
I went with a friend of mine who isn't really into Sonic and he wasn't super into it. I owe him an explanation for why Shadow being in the next film is such a big deal.
Same I went with a friend who didn’t know much about Sonic too, he sounded like he liked it but looked pretty tired by the time of the credits scene. We did see the movie at a late time of the day though so maybe that’s why
I am not a big Sonic fan, and the movie got a big "eh" from me. I liked robotnik's performance in Sonic movie 1, so the way smaller screentime for robotnik (at least it felt like it) in the sequel was a letdown. Jim Carrey clearly had no energy in his performance, and him announcing that he's likely retiring from acting after this movie is a big hint. Also, Knuckles felt like a low-intelligence 1 dimensional "me like honor, me must kill you, wait you save me me help you" grug caveman. CGI felt rushed, and the sequel just reused assets from the first movie.
I’m also kinda sad they skipped over Metal Sonic and went straight to Shadow. Metal Sonic is Dr Robotnik’s magnum opus, the ultimate copy of Sonic, so how do you up the ante after that? The ultimate life form, that’s how. That’s how I’d have had it, anyway. I’m sure the writers will manage to make it work.
i think they said they weren't going chronologically for the movie series, so there's always the possibility of them going BACK for cd and doing metal sonic after shadow. I think if they did it along with shadow it'd get a bit clustered
@@Jakesoul12 what I was trying to say was if they do go back and do Metal after Shadow then the stakes aren’t as high unless they alter Metal Sonic drastically to make him incredibly powerful, because it’s hard to up the stakes AFTER Shadow
@@codered1132 absolutely true I was thinking that, but that only really works when Metal is already established, so maybe he could have a minor role in Sonic 3?
I have honestly never seen a movie both equally parts awful and awesome. The first 20 minutes are terrible and they get rid of the human characters in the laziest way to get them out the picture. You can tell they cast out they widest net possible there is stuff for kids with flossing and fart jokes, things for the parents that don't wanna be there with the side wedding plot, things for sonic fans, things for the stoners like some of the Jim Carrey and the temp Sheriff were hilarious. Knuckles becomes comic relief way too quick, like I get Eggman thinks he is dumb because everyone is dumb to him but around Sonic and Tails he's also the comic relief, sometimes Idris Elba does an awesome job with Knuckles and sometimes he legit sounds drunk in the recording studio. Also the film has so much weird homo-eroticness going on in it with both Robotnik and his henchman and I was sure Tails and Sonic were just gonna fuck in that Syberia scene. But for every lame moment or fart joke something genuinely awesome happens like the Egg Robot walking to Pantera. Also this movie has so many meme templates "CHAOS IS POWERRRR" is totally gonna become a meme. Also everyone including myself in the theater audibly went "UGH!" when Sonic calls Tom Dad 😂
>go watch the movie No, I'm German, a German of Germanic ethnicity. And while the US is chiefly Germanic as well, I don't feel represented by American movies anymore. Even if some of my most favorite videogame characters are in it.
That is a very silly reason to not watch a movie. I get the lack of representation thing, but sometimes that stuff just doesn't matter if all you're looking for is entertainment.
I would love a video about all the easter eggs about the movie! while i was watching it i loved all the references i could see, like the genesis manual, the labyrinth waterslide, and the adventure pose at the start. Plus when I saw G.U.N. i freaked out and immidietly knew that the 3rd had to have shadow. I wish they had some fun music fpr labyrinth zone and the death egg, but overall i enjoyed it a lot!
you know if they're going to do a knuckles series, i do feel that maybe that could be a good time to introduce metal sonic, taking inspiration from the knuckles chaotix plot and whatnot
I gotta say that my favourite scene in the movie was when they were panning out from the Sega logo and you could see that in one of the small squares there was persona 5 footage.
6:40 it was neat hearing the "Drowning theme" though it was very faint, you can hear it in the song that plays when Sonic is stuck in the water after he frees Knuckles
I loved the movie, but yeah that wedding scene did feel out of place. Other than that though, the movie was charming and moved at a decent pace. I don't mind the whole, "Sonic is a kid" aspect since it allows him to reasonably do stupid things.
16 isn't "a kid". It's a teenager. Hell, it's legally an adult in some countries. Really gotta stop this crap that people are kidsy little kids until they are 17, 11 months and 30 days, but oh the next day they are full grown adults.
@@ufazig I don't think its been ever said what movie sonic's age is. Personally, I feel he sits somewhere between 14 and 15. He's too young to be thinking of romance, but old enough to understand a lot of adult concepts like responsibility. More importantly, He's young enough that a parental figure is both needed, but not dependent upon, whereas any younger and he would need adult help, and any older and he woupd be more independent. As for your aside, 18 is simply the year that a person is commonly accepted to be responsible for themselves. It isnt some magical line that when crossed makes them adults, but rather the point where everyone can agree the person should have known better. And just as there are people that mature before 18, there are people that haven't past 18. Or 20... Or 25. It gets depressing fast.
There are numerous ways they can handle Maria's death, it wouldn't be the first kids movie where an innocent character dies, in fact I think it's only in Shadow's game where she is explicitly shot. They can write around it saying she succumbed to her illness because she wasn't properly treated after she and the rest of the space colony staff were arrested by the military, then it's still their fault in some way. As long as they stay true to what makes Shadow's character arc compelling I'm sure it will be a good adaptation, that being: -His sibling-like relationship with Maria -The pain of losing her due to the actions of humans -Recognising that revenge isn't the answer -Redeeming himself with a heroic sacrifice that ends in his death Personally I'm hoping we at least get two super sayain hedgehogs fighting a giant lizard in space while Live and Learn plays, it's too good of a set piece not to put on the big screen.
Never was really into the sonic games but this was a pretty good movie! So I will probably play the original sonic games again and also watch the first movie cause why not.
I loved the movie so much. Seeing that scene where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles all teamed up for the first time to fight the Death Egg robot was the best thing I've ever seen. I adore Sonic Heroes and that's the first thing that came to mind. And Super Sonic near the end was just amazing. I do wish they could have some songs/remixes from the games instead of just some generic fight music, but I understand why they don't use them.
Part of me is assuming Stone is being set up to replace Robotnik in some way, Jim Carrey said it would be his last film and the end sequence definitely tried to make it look like robotnik isn't coming back
I genuinely laughed a bit with some of Sonic's quips. Knew that he would go super at the climax. The only real problem I have with the movie is that we need less human characters and more of Sonic vs. Robotnik.
I feel like the human characters fleshed it out a little bit. I mean I don't want a movie filled with a bunch of a animal characters. Like sonic forces where they removed humans entirely.
I really loved the movie characterized version of these guys,knuckles was one of the best characters ever in this movie can't wait the series,honestly think the wedding scene dragged too long.
There was a part where Eggman and Knuckles were talking about something and one of them said “I’ll show you the way” That was a CLEAR reference to Ugandan Knuckles and I haven’t really hard anyone else mention that.
I'll be honest, I had an extreamly surface level knowledge of sonic. My only context really was a couple memes and a toxic fanbase. I hadn't even seen the first one, but this movie was still an absolute blast to watch and is kickstarting some motivation to start learning about the lore from the games! I'm old enough to be a college student and this movie really made me feel like a kid again! This should be a testimate to how good the studio was able to make this so enjoyable, even to non-fans like myself!
Tails's content got cut massively and its visible as I found them referencing content later in the movie that never happened in the movie. The chaos emeralds did fly off. Its either that or I am already getting a Mandela effect going on which for me doesn't take long. Also the ending was kinda bad where they try to force knuckles, tails, and sonic as Donut lord's kids just to have the audiences kids paste their faces onto. The average house hold now has 1.25 kids. Its going on a track of in a few years being 0.25.
Pretty quick upload since the last video, but I really liked the amount of references there were in the new Sonic movie. I also liked the addition of G.U.N., something I was not expecting, and it was nice to see them again, because I last saw them in Sonic Generations and then never again after that. Overall it’s an amazing movie.
Considering how much Knuckles is written like Worf here, I expect the third movie to be about his spine being broken by a blue barrel and the main characters debating over whether or not they'll euthanize him.
Here's an idea that a friend told me after watching the movie with him: What if in the third movie, Shadow gets a big villain focus, but also Metal Sonic and even Chaos appear alongside him; and the movie could even be called "Sonic 3: Triple Trouble" or something like that.
I feel like they should just stick to adapting the Maria/Gerald Robotnik plot line, Chaos and Tikal would kinda need to have their own plot focused on them, I think that Metal Sonic could potentially fit in but the Shadow backstory is already plenty to work with
I’m strongly against referential humour as the main source of comedy. For one, it will date the work very obviously, and for another, if you’re relying on the audience having knowledge of something else for your work to be entertaining, it’s not standing up on its own merits. I think the writing is the part of this movie that’s going to age most poorly.
Judging by the post credits scene and the fact that Jim Carrey might retire and they said they won't recast him, I'm gonna bet that Stone will be the main villain of Sonic 3, and his arc is gonna be accepting that Robotnik is gone and that he can't keep wasting his energy on someone who never cared for him in return. 9:40 also, I'm someone who hates almost every sonic game that isn't Mean Bean Machine, but I loved both movies. This one specifically was super fun.
It’s just so damn cute and charming!!! Honestly I never expect these to be masterpieces but god they give me everything I could want from sonic on the big screen. And knuckles. My god I could talk about him forever. A new addition to my himbo collection.
I'm very disappointed how they didn't make Robotnik fat In Sonic 2. It's his most basic and obvious trait and Carrey would have been funny in a fat suit. They could have come up with a backstory where he got depressed after being defeated by Sonic in the first film, so he started eating a lot. Massive missed opportunity.
7:27 I also felt the same until I remembered that Chaos and Tikal were trapped in the Master Emerald, so it was established in the lore that you can store beings, spirits and what not within it.
Also, I would've loved seeing Metal Sonic in the third movie rather than you know who, but I won't deny I still smiled at it and I am extremely curious to see how they will handle him, it is just I would've prefered Metal to close this trilogy and maybe later make a second trilogy covering the events from SA1, SA2 and maybe the Advance games.
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind i guess the problem is that metal doesn't have much story? in a way he was never the final boss (except in heroes) so having him as a main villain is kinda.... meh?
He does have a story tho. He was built in order to rival Sonic and, unlike all other Eggman's creations, he had a will of his own, which makes him stronger as he learns. He is a killing machine that's almost sentient. Sonic CD the Sonic OVA, the Archie comics and what not (Hell, he's a boss in Knuckles Chaotix too) are all yoi need to flesh it out.
I love Tails’s design so much he’s so Damn cute. My biggest problem though is that they treat the master emerald like the phantom ruby. It can kind of do what ever it wants when Egg man uses it.
Went absolutely crazy for the post-credits with Shadow, literally started screaming when I saw that! I was that one person in the cinema that would just explain every reference to my friend. Seeing this movie was such an honor, one of my current favourite movies.
When I first saw the Eggman Outfits scene during theaters I immediately thought of the studio forcing Jim Carrey to wear a maid outfit and there's something about it that doesn't feel real to me.
Knuckles was handled very well in this movie. They could have easily gone down the dumb meathead route because haha funny kids' movie, but no. He finally feels like a worthy rival/ally to Sonic again. I'll be honest, I thought the pacing was incredibly strange. The movie felt like a rough draft in a lot of places, especially the first half. Tails gets zero development, sadly and the wedding scene/weird romance sub plot with Rachel (seriously, what was that about?) went on way longer than it needed to. No joke, I felt like I was watching two completely different movies at once and I think everyone in the theatre felt the same way. Labyrinth Zone though... *Chef's kiss* beautiful.
i think it's heavily going under the radar for the 3rd film that knuckles says his entire tribe vanished the same day as longclaw. I think thats a big hint that the 3rd film will throw in a 3rd party not from earth as a big bad in the next film. The obvious choice with it wiping out knuckle's tribe is chaos with a tweaked origin story, this would also work with shadow as chaos could functionally fill the same role in his story as the biolizard, just less completely out of left field. Of course there are other 3rd parties it could be from the sonic franchise. One of the really smart and simple things the 2nd film did was all the plot threads directly carry off plot threads from the first film. Gun was set up by olive garden guy, so I fully expect what would make up sonic 3 will involve a lot of the plot threads left over in 2. Including Stone hiding in Gun and Rachel's husband being a top agent for them. It seems GUN ended this film on good terms with the wachoskis and it sounded like they were not trying to hide shadow but more surprised they found him, so we might see a bit of shadow's plotline changed that he's not woken by robotnik and actually by GUN initially with Rachel's husband being assigned his partner/guard and Stone sneaking to Shadow that there is still a Robotnik out there. Speaking of robotnik, he established he was an orphan in the first film, they might be more direct/simple in sonic 3 with maria's/gerald's relation to Robotnik then the game (where she was like a cousin or something) and this might make whatever connection shadow has to him stronger and give us a different dynamic to the knuckles, robotnik combo we had in this film.
I just have two super minor nitpicks about the Movie They should have made Super Sonic's quills a lot longer, he would have looked much cooler Why did they used some generic "game-like" sound effects and not the original ones (or even the Master System ones, if they really wanted to keep that 8-bit feel)? Aside from that, I loved the movie and I can't wait to see how they portray Shadow in the next one.
Watched it, epic post credits, some parts were obviously kids bait but the amount of quality and fan service was there, was kinda upset when I figured out how the emeralds work but that’s minor and it really makes people excited for what’s next.
i smiled so hard through the entire movie that my face hurt for like an hour afterward
Myself and several others in the theatre cheered when the Shadow stinger came up. It was such a joyful, fun movie. I'm so excited.
Hazel glad have good time I can't stop thinking about this movie probably see 4 times. This movie feel rewarding for a long time sonic fan
I was so hyped up I almost started crying and I was trying to hold it in as these two strangers sat between me
yeah me toooooo
SAMEEE
I didn't realize it until Cybershell pointed it out, but I can't believe we were LITERALLY denied a scene of Tails getting trolled.
in the end, it was us that got trolled
Unwatchable! 0/10
Needed to wait until the 3rd movie so Shadow can show Tails how to deal with them trolls
maybe its in the snyder cut
Because of this this movie has turned from best sonic movie to Unwatchable
Jeff Fowler showed up at my screening after the movie, and though he didn’t confirm anything, when he asked the audience who they were expecting in the post credit scene he specifically asked “Metal Sonic?” So it’s for sure something that is on his radar
I think Metal Sonic will end up being in the Knuckles show
Metal Sonic will probably be at the end of the 3rd movie.
As soon as I heard "50 years" I had an idea of the direction they were heading but didn't think they'd follow through, with how much lore they changed I didn't actually expect much Sonic Adventure outside of the helicopter that said SA-2 on it. Of course I was wrong and they did include Shadow, but that leaves a lot of questions. I was accepting of some stuff such as the chaos emeralds... bizarrely enough... being inside the master emerald. I don't get why, but by the end of the movie the became separate entities so it's fine. I was really expecting Angel Island when the light came out of the ocean, but I guess labyrinth zone was faithfully depicted... even though it's everyone's most hated zone in Sonic history. I hope they don't change too much of Shadow's lore like they did with elements of this movie. While I get the need to not be too preictable... if they want to focus on human characters like in the other two movies, they HAVE to include Maria, and get her right! If they screw up Shadow or don't include Maria, who was a central character to Shadow's story in Sonic Adventure 2... then I'm not going to watch another Sonic movie from Paramount because this is when the Sonic franchise experiemented with a more serious story, and it paid off big time with Shadow being a fan favorite, for better or worse. Sonic 3 will be the make it or break it point. Sonic 3 and Knuckles is my favorite Sonic game of all time but if they mess with Sonic Adventure 2's story too much I'm going to be upset.
@@BlueAmpharos I feel like it would be super difficult to incorporate Maria into Shadow's backstory without it messing with the pacing heavily. Sonic 2 was already pretty bad with exposition so I don't know how well it would work. I feel a spin off movie focusing entirely on shadow would be better to explain his backstory.
@@basiltheleafeon You don't have to dedicate 10-15 minutes to a dead character to show how important they are to Shadow. Subtle mentions of her, a brief monologue/backstory, even having a scene of Shadow remembering her in silence for a moment by himself before something else happens. All can easily display how important Maria is to Shadow if done right.
I was surprised how much I liked the relationship between Sonic and Knuckles. The scene in Siberia where they realize that they both lost their families was really well done and more complex than I would have expected. Also the coffee shop being called “The mean bean” made me so happy.
Honestly, Sonic and Knuckles both having lost their families makes Shadow the perfect final villain if the movies are just gonna be a trilogy
I love the reference to Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine for the coffee shop.
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@@reapeashooter2 i don't think it will just be a trilogy, since apparently the "Sonic Cinematic Universe" is a thing now
I'm more surprised that Longclaw took at that whole tribe on her own before dying.
For me the wedding scene is worth it just for the joke where it gets revealed that every single person there is a GUN agent. Easily the funniest joke in the movie, especially when the priest reveals that his Bible actually is a gun container. But yeah, definitely could chop some minutes off.
That, and even though I saw the "mixed up Sonic's ring for the wedding ring" gag coming a mile away, the payoff was still funny.
Plus I was a little unfairly predisposed towards tolerating it because the whole time I was just thinking "Oh, my mom would really like this part". lol
Yeah the priest doing the Cross movement afterwards actually made me laugh outloud ngl lol.
'Operation Catfish' had me cracking up pretty good and while it did keep a little too long they at least tied everything up well enough. From the Doughnut Lord being made a pansy being explained by everyone being Gun Agents to the cleanup of the characters afterwards.
The priest having a gun in the bible was one of the funniest scenes in the movie
I think it's worth seeing Maddie break into the hotel to save Sonic, Tom, and Tails! That's pretty cool! Definitely does the whole "woman-doesn't-need-a-man" thing much better than Frozen ever did! Yeah, the wedding stuff could have been shorter, but still!
Knuckles punching the Master Emerald out of Robotnik was some quality lore consistency. I think the Chaos Emeralds kinda got sent to like the Special Stage dimension or whatever, separate from the Master Emerald.
But the chaos emeralds fused together to become the master emerald in this movie, and when it shatters, the 7 chaos emeralds are used for Sonic to turn super. while in the games the master emerald is the server to the 7 chaos emeralds, being seperate from each other.
@@rosesvampyr it ain’t a theory you can literally see for a second seven lights shoot up in different directions
@@RyneMcKinney yeah but you see knuckles rebuild what was left over. So it’s the remaining power that was left behind by the chaos emeralds. You even see the new one is much much smaller that the original one.
Sonic scatters them when he reverts to normal so they now exist as separate entities
They did dragon ball away after the sonic turned off the super. I really enjoyed the nod to the Fleetway comics when Knuckles mentions a personality change that can come from the super form.
The master emerald was more imbedded with the Chaos Emeralds instead of fusing. They fell out with the broken shards of the master emerald. Without them, the master emerald still holds some power but is no longer a one stop shop, bend the universe type. Now smaller and still holding a connection to the chaos emeralds... I kindof miss the retconned lore of the Archie comics and the interconnection between them but the movie did good with the intro to each.
I really liked the 2nd movie, the addition of Knuckles and Tails really helped flesh out Sonic's character.
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It would of been better if it was fully animated. And more sonic characters.
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@@AxxLAfriku just mass report this troll and don't reply/respond to this shit.
honestly, now that the 3rd movie is confirmed, that movie could totally bomb and id be fine, because shadow the fucking hedgehog being shown to a massive audience is such a fucking ludicrous thing that the achievement itself is enough to satisfy me. thats that kind of shit i could only dream about as a kid and now weve peaked
NO LITERALLY I was thinking the entire time like "my 11 year old self would be LOSING IT right now" and thats satisfying enough
Right!? I can't wait to see some edginess in the 3rd movie
@@SrIgort honestly I hope they do his character right by making him serious and unfriendly, but confused and not ludicrously edgy
Same here man
@@thedarklrd6714
True. Shadow is an extremely confused character right now, who knows how Sonic Movie 3 will choose to adapt him.
Shadow fans should be especially worried, since Shadow's film portrayal will no doubt shape the character going forward.
Actually the chaos emeralds did fly away dragon ball style. For a brief second you see them shoot away in the distance. The master emerald rebuilt by Knuckles from the remaining piece was clearly smaller than the one introduced meaning it lost the chaos emeralds inside.
I imagine since Shadow and presumably the Ark are gonna be part of the plot of Sonic 3 there'll be a hunt for the emeralds since they're needed for Chaos Control and crashing the Ark into earth
I'm inside of your home
Ah, a spoiler heavy video where I can finally expel a wall of thoughts:
- Who the hell were the "human" characters who arrived at the Mushroom planet before Knuckles?
- I liked the wedding scene (although I wish the banner behind the Tornado was on fire in the last shot because it was a dumpster-fire), but was GUNs plan really "Lets concoct a fake relationship which results in a marriage so we can catch Sonic...who isn't invited...wait."
- The dance-off was of course for the kids but could have been a bit less...weird for the rest of us.
- While I appreciate the sentiment, having Sonic call Tom "Dad" was rather strange (isn't it?!). I know there was the sub-plot of Sonic "being a kid" but...are Tails and Knuckles also their kids now? Sonic now has the squad, experienced god-powers and has a new big-bad coming in Shadow in S3. It felt a bit of a backwards step.
And yes. Give us Live and Learn..please.
Those "humans" were hunters that helped Knuckles track down Sonic. They're part of the prequel comic for the movie.
@@HellfireComms Ooh. Thanks! I'm yet to read those.
As far as G.U.N's master plan goes... I think it makes sense. It wasn't actually the plan to capture Sonic AT the wedding, instead they were planning on infiltration, getting an agent into the family who can supply information, and take opportunities to capture Sonic that wouldn't otherwise be available.
@@HellfireComms Alright, that probably could've been better explained in the movie, because not everyone will read the comic before hand. A tiny bit of exposition on that would've helped (unless I somehow missed that while watching).
It makes sense that Sonic calls Tom his dad, because this is a movie for children, and movies for children are all about having a kid protagonist
Can you imagine if they didn't stray from Shadow's backstory in the games for the next one though? I would love to hear what reviewers think of Shadow being created as a result of fantasy AIDS research with the help from blood from an alien that wants to enslave humanity as a food source
I tried to explain it to my mom, but I said cancer instead of AIDS because...ye
AIDS?
@@Mugen2024 Neuro-Immune Deficiency Syndrome, or NIDS, is a fictional autoimmune disease that Maria Robotnik suffered from. The reason Prof. Gerald Robotnik agreed to work on Project Shadow was because he hoped that the research into immortality would lead to a cure.
Shadow the Hedgehog was a bad game with some bad retcons to Shadow's origins, but to be honest his origins were already pretty fucked right from the start anyways.
i always forget he’s from fantasy aids. honestly surprised there weren’t more edgy jokes about that back in the day
@@jackpumpoen that's just because who honestly played Shadow the Hedgehog past the first few levels? and of that incredibly small group, who was really paying attention? no one
I definitely think it's possible that the novelization is based on an early draft since many other movie novelizations have several differences from the version that ends up on screen, likely because they are produced alongside the film so they don't have time to adjust for last minute changes to the film
cant wait for the third movie
The novelisation has Professor Pickle show up, which does NOT happen in the final film. Definitely an earlier draft.
@@polkadi it WHAT
@@polkadi ok I need to get my hands on this shit
@@polkadi that was said for the first it's canon alright
Can we agree that the best part of the film was Sonic and Tails' brotherly hug after the dance off in Siberia? Also, I enjoyed Knuckles' segments throughout the film (like the "Dot dot dot" scene and when he was enamored over sprinkles near the end).
The part where Sonic puts a blanket on Tails and then Tails covers him up with his Tails got me good man
I was dreading that dance-off scene but it actually turned out pretty well.
The dance off scene was so stupid and unnecessary… but so damn entertaining that I didn’t care how goofy it was. Especially since Sonic does his Adventure 1 pose!
@@ruthie4197 YASSS! That part was so good. I loved the brotherly fluff!
omg that was a so wholesome brotherly scene like it was so cute
It's super interesting that GUN was only founded recently in the movie and not 50+ years ago.
Maybe they rebranded?
I think they said they found Shadow’s files in Robotnik’s own
Well the post credits scene confirms that Gerald's data and research was in their database for all that time before GUN was a thing. Makes sense as the government had ties with Eggman before Sonic 2
Maybe there was another three letter agency back then that morphed into GUN
Movie's changing a lot of stuff and somehow making it work perfectly.
I loved Knuckles characterization in the film. so funny!
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@@leonscottkennedy6860 boblacked
I made a Sonic Movie 2 GUITAR COVER 😎🎸🔥🦔
Yeap
*Dot dot dot dot*
THIS IS THE FASTEST UPLOAD HES EVER DONE!
La Creatura
Less than a month
Making Sonic proud
Legend has it after every fast upload he takes another nine year break
I was kinda surprised by it
Let me just say, the entire theater I was in was screaming and cheering and the people in the row in front of me threw their popcorn bucket in the air when they saw Shadow in the post credits scene. It was a great experience.
Something similar happened with my viewing yesterday. Was a good time.
Same here and that never happens in movies I go to. I was stoked and even better my 5 year old boy and all the other kids absolutely lost their minds with shadow it was awesome. Whole experience watching this movie was great for me. Excited for S3
really? i wish i was there in my theater only my and my friends screamed at that
That sounds like a terrible experience
Seriously, here's how to make the movie worse for others, step 1: Make loud noise
Very good movie, although I am VERY excited to see what they'll do next. Didn't even realize in the moment about GUN until I heard it from someone a bit more knowledgeable about sonic than I am.
I'm curious, didn't realize what? Didn't realize GUN was from the games?
@@josephwilson3180 pretty sure they meant they didn't know the government was gun until they saw the Big G's
@@josephwilson3180 I just got caught up with all the pop culture references and thought it was just a bit of a joke.
its mostly the most basic stuff that i laughed at in that movie.
example: knuckles saying dot dot dot over and over again was the most hilarious stuff i've ever seen
honestly me too, i haven’t been able to stop thinking about the “they have sprinkles” thing knuckles said. i was laughing uncontrollably through the credits at that shit
Was I the only one that was reminded of Drax?
It made almost everyone including me laugh at the movies theater
this video capitulated my thoughts really well, glad somebody else noticed that ozzie(toms dog) was just left at the house for the entire events of the movie
It's a small town. I'm sure the neighbors saw that the house was ransacked and brought the dog into their home.
(Capitulated your thoughts?)
@@gigastrike2 very much so
I think you meant 'encapsulated' rather than capitulated.
Regarding the soundtrack, it’s small, but “You Don’t Have To Be Alone Anymore” (the scene where sonic is drowning) has a *very* small drowning theme motif. I thought I noticed it in the movie but I had to double check the soundtrack to be sure, so it’s kinda hard to hear.
It’s all that’s there, and it’s very small, but it *is* a musical nod I don’t feel should be ignored.
Oh so they DID have one. I was listening for it! And the air bubble was a nice nod too
I have a friend who knows absolutely nothing about Sonic, hadn't even seen the first movie and he enjoyed it, so we Sonic fans are not blinded by our fandom. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is a legitimately good movie. and it was one heck of a fun ride too!
It is indeed!
Just watched it and it was really good imo. The only thing that felt kind of strange was the chaos emeralds being so small
I think i know why the emeralds are tiny..
Its because the master emerald is also MEGA tiny than the game master emerald
So it would make sense the chaos emerald are and would be also smaller than the game emeralds.
remember this is the movie continuity.
yes it does follow the games but not the story or its OWN canon.
True but if you look at the games, sega is not great at emerald continuity. Look at the master emerald’s size in SA1 as apposed to 2. And of course they changed from hex cut to the more standard cut we see today.
They're also tiny in Unleashed
The Emeralds look like candy you'd pop in your mouth lol or some weird cereal brand.
@@justcallmekai1554 Yummers
Glad Cyber can make sequels, although this one came kinda slowly. Boy, I can't ever recall a time where he made any of his sequels this slowly. Hm.
Yeah. In fact, I can’t recall him ever taking a long time to release ANY video. He’s always just had a consistent upload schedule.
hmm..
Im actually hoping that the Sonic movie Bonus video will come out even slower than this one. Im a patient boy and i can wait, yep i sure can wait. a whole 15 years, im that patient.
hmm..
Alright, the wedding scenes went on for maybe a bit too long, but man, her husband being a secret agent that wasn't even supposed to marry her came so far out of left field that it had me laughing out loud. As if she hadn't been messed up from sonic enough, a secret agent infiltrates her life, seemingly for no reason so that they can get closer to sonic.
It's honestly so nonsensical and absurd that it was genuinely the funniest part of the movie for me.
(side note, knuckles really just felt like off-brand Drax from Guardians of the Galaxy.
I saw the movie with my mom and as someone who isn't familiar with Sonic lore, she said the same thing. I still think a Drax-esque Knuckles is better than anything they've done with his character in the last decade, Knuckles was always meant to be a meathead jock but with a strong sense of responsibility/honor. I'm really glad he wasn't just a bumbling idiot, most of the comedy came from his innocence/ignorance of things rather than just plain low intelligence.
@@rachelmayes3064 hey it's Rachel, the lady on the movie!!!!
@@rachelmayes3064 Precisely! His naivety was his shtick from day one. It makes perfect sense that he doesn't quite understand modern technology.
About the chaos emeralds they did fly off at the end of the movie when sonic returned back to normal actually, I understand how that could of been missed though they are realllly small.
Yep, this means there's the Chaos Emeralds AND the Master Emerald now
Yh and shadow will get his hands on the green chaos emerald for sure now
The Chaos Emeralds did actually fly off after Sonic powered down.
So maybe finding them'll be important for movie 3.
It would give them a reason to find them or if Shadow finds one and start using Chaos Control over Sonic would be badass
Yeah Sonic willingly forfeited them
Tails: "Sonic, you were the most powerful hero in the universe, and you let it go... why?"
Sonic: "well Tails its all part of the script, so that the next big villain in my third movie will be a challenge and the Chaos Emeralds won't make the movie too easy.
@@ryank2780 It does make sense why Sonic got rid of them, to be fair. He pretty much outright states that he doesn’t feel like he could handle that much power since he already knows very well that the power he ALREADY has is still something he has to control, lest he hurt people and destroy his surroundings.
I wish they brought it up at least.
@galaxy_racc00n I know it's a kids movie but I hope he say that in the 3rd movie I would die lol
4:45 maybe in the third movie he'll go through the same arc he did in SA1 where he realizes that he can't depend on Sonic forever because nothing last forever yadayada
Speaking of the third movie kinda wanted to share another random prediction maybe if Robotnik is killed off Agent Stone will fill in his shoes and discover/team up with Shadow.
I think they're working towards Tails becoming more independent. There were a ton of scenes where Tails basically needs to make excuses for Sonic to maintain his own view of him. He's eventually going to gain self-confidence and no longer need to hold Sonic in such high regard.
I definitely think they left it open for him to die or not because of what Jim Carrie said about retiring. I love the idea of Agent Stone taking over his role to get revenge for his death, and it would pair well with Shadow's revenge for Maria. I just hope they get Shadow right...
@@Olivia-dg4fb i believe if they got Knux and Tails right, i bet they will be able with Shadow aswell
although...i see your concern. Shadow has become a joke at this point. A walking edgelord. And while he was edgy before, he was mainly a misguided tragic character when was first introduced
I hope Robotnik is alive in the next one, he's definitely one of the highlights for both of the movies
If I had to take a guess on Metal Sonic, I’m thinking that Eggman may get the idea of there being other Sonics to make his own Sonic in movie 4. Heck, from there you could outright replace Eggman with Neo Metal Sonic if Jim Carrey is truly done with acting.
Yeah I could see them going a sonic hero’s route with metal sonic being the villain if Jim retires
8:33 you're right, i did the sprite that way intentionally! super glad someone picked up on that
bro thank god for timed comments for allowing me to see this comment you did an amazing job, hope you come back in the third movie if they make one
Only saw this now, but that's amazing
You're amazing!
I love how Sonic went from telling Tom to stop being his dad to openly embracing being his adopted son. So good.
As much as I would love Metal in 3 you are correct. We have the OVA. Time to put some character back into Shadow.
Back?
Write my boy correctly! Not this awful edge lord.
The movie brought back the stoic warrior Knuckles after almost 2 decades of mishandling him, I’m confident they can do Shadow justice too
I like Metal Sonic, but I think the IDW comics have done him justice whereas Shadow’s essentially a parody of himself
@@Olivia-dg4fb You speak as if he was ever not an edgelord.
I haven't seen it yet, but I will say it seems really cool and sweet how love by actual Sonic fans was poured into this film with all the references and such. That kind of passion is rare nowadays and I'm grateful for Sonic fans to enjoy it.
Anyone else who thought Eggman was about to say “Welcome to the next level” outside of the Mean Bean?
Me too! Also, I didn't realize until that same scene the reference that The Mean Bean was making, how could I forget about Robotniks Mean Bean Machine!
One thing I like about the humor is how it's more separated from the action than in the first movie. Tense scenes actually have room to breathe and build up-like how the climax wouldn't have had the same 'heroes accept their death' moment if it was cluttered with 'Baldy McNosehair' quips every 2 seconds beforehand, and the jokes themselves also don't become stale as a result.
I enjoyed this movie, but I can’t be the only one who was a bit upset that Shadow was confirmed for the Sonic Movie Series before Metal Sonic, right?
I think Metal Sonic is going to replace Robotnik and serve as the primary threat of the next movie, and Shadow is going to work more like Knuckles did in this one. I want to say that Robotnik is dead, and his assistant is uploading his brain into the robot to get back at Sonic.
Final boss is gonna be Metal Sonic with all the chaos emeralds like Sonic Heroes, filling in for Chaos or the Bio Lizard.
@@gigastrike2 The main issue with that might be that Robotnik just hasn't had time to build anything inbetween the 1st and 2nd movie, like if we are getting Metal then he either won't be made by Robotnik or has to be created off-screen somehow. That is, if Jim Carrey doesn't return for the third one like he has said.
isn't shadow like the most popular sonic character
Actually you gave me idea. Maybe a little redemption after the whole Forces fiasco, in form of Chaos and Metal Sonic coming back alongside Shadow? I mean it feels like the next logical step for them to base the third movie off the elements of both Adventure games, since this one was based a lot on the second and third game. I would love this interesting combo of 3 villains trying to take down Sonic.
@@simmy0019 Yeah, idk. Maybe his brain gets uploaded to a computer first and he builds the robot body to inhabit.
Just saw this movie tonight myself.
Knuckles is definitely the highlight of the whole thing - he's bigger and better than he has been for years.
We even took a non Sonic fan to see it, and she enjoyed it pretty well too - even agreed that Knuckles was the best part and that the human parts were the weakest part of the movie.
I don't think it's much of a concern that the movies are skipping over some characters. In my mind, there really isn't much reason that they can't just introduce certain characters out of order. The movies have their own separate continuity, so they can be pretty loose with the lore.
I'm a huge lore nerd, and I'll be honest - these changes needed to have been made, I think. The Sonic lore is disjointed and thematically broken, and I'm shocked they were able to bend it over backwards to not only improve it, but to make a great kid's movie out of it. I'm a little suspicious that this is what the canon should have been all along, and I'm shocked that I actually typed that given how I felt before the first movie released lol
I know what you mean. It would like to have Amy, Big, and Rouge in the films because I like those characters, but I understand that they might be hard sells to people not as familiar with the Sonic games. Especially Rouge and her big fat bat tats lol
Frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t follow up on Robotnik having Sonic’s quill as a Segway into making Metal. Dunno what he’s going to do with it in the future if at all but just seemed strange they didn’t do that.
I LITERALLY JUST FINISHED THE MOVIE AND THIS IS ALREADY OUT DADDY CYBERSHELL PLEASE THIS IS TOO MUCH.
It's still insane to me that both Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 have released with ZERO GAMES to back them up. Nothing recent that people can go and play after all this movie hype!! it feels like wasting the potential to bring new people into the franchise and not just please pre-existing fans.
Also great review, I totally loved it as well!
Sega disowned the movie so that is probably why. the closest to game tie-ins are a crossover with mobile trash.
If live and learn shows up in the next movie it will be the best movie of this decade
I don't even like most Crush 40 music but if Live and Learn isn't in Sonic 3 I'll riot
The GUN commander is my favorite character and you can’t change my mind. Agent Stone is also amazing. The writers feel like they’re on crack when writing these borderline animated humans. The movie is at its best when it tries not to be grounded
Can't watch this since I haven't seen the movie but I'm glad it has the Cybershell seal of approval
Edit and spoilers: Just watched the movie and I thought it was pretty alright, better than the first but didn't blow my mind or anything. Was pretty disappointed we didn't get to see Angel Island and the Hawaii portion of the movie was so bland and uninteresting and just reminded me of an average adam sandler movie. But other than that it was a pretty fun time and I'm interested in seeing what they do with Shadow.
I was the only one in the theater laughing at how Stone's coffee shop was called "Mean Bean" xD
I also really liked how Knuckles was portrayed, he was a good mix of Sonic Boom goofy Knuckles and the more serious, classic Knuckles.
I felt like a kid again throughout the whole movie.
If this went out when I was like 9-10, my mind would've exploded into tiny pieces.
I went with a friend of mine who isn't really into Sonic and he wasn't super into it.
I owe him an explanation for why Shadow being in the next film is such a big deal.
Same I went with a friend who didn’t know much about Sonic too, he sounded like he liked it but looked pretty tired by the time of the credits scene. We did see the movie at a late time of the day though so maybe that’s why
Not too surprising as if you aren't a sonic fan you are left with a mediocre about a talking anthro.
I am not a big Sonic fan, and the movie got a big "eh" from me. I liked robotnik's performance in Sonic movie 1, so the way smaller screentime for robotnik (at least it felt like it) in the sequel was a letdown. Jim Carrey clearly had no energy in his performance, and him announcing that he's likely retiring from acting after this movie is a big hint. Also, Knuckles felt like a low-intelligence 1 dimensional "me like honor, me must kill you, wait you save me me help you" grug caveman. CGI felt rushed, and the sequel just reused assets from the first movie.
i went with a friend who also isnt a big fan but she seemed to have enjoyed the movie so idk 💀
They made knuckles exactly as adorable as he needed to be. I really liked the movie.
I’m also kinda sad they skipped over Metal Sonic and went straight to Shadow.
Metal Sonic is Dr Robotnik’s magnum opus, the ultimate copy of Sonic, so how do you up the ante after that? The ultimate life form, that’s how.
That’s how I’d have had it, anyway. I’m sure the writers will manage to make it work.
i think they said they weren't going chronologically for the movie series, so there's always the possibility of them going BACK for cd and doing metal sonic after shadow. I think if they did it along with shadow it'd get a bit clustered
@@Jakesoul12 what I was trying to say was if they do go back and do Metal after Shadow then the stakes aren’t as high unless they alter Metal Sonic drastically to make him incredibly powerful, because it’s hard to up the stakes AFTER Shadow
@@kirikatsu3 they can just take the Heroes route were Metal Sonic overthrows eggman and becomes NEO Metal Sonic
@@codered1132 absolutely true I was thinking that, but that only really works when Metal is already established, so maybe he could have a minor role in Sonic 3?
@@codered1132 Or replace Neo Metal Sonic with Mecha Sonic.
4:13 Omg an actual nitpick that makes sense
Even critics can’t do that
I have honestly never seen a movie both equally parts awful and awesome. The first 20 minutes are terrible and they get rid of the human characters in the laziest way to get them out the picture.
You can tell they cast out they widest net possible there is stuff for kids with flossing and fart jokes, things for the parents that don't wanna be there with the side wedding plot, things for sonic fans, things for the stoners like some of the Jim Carrey and the temp Sheriff were hilarious.
Knuckles becomes comic relief way too quick, like I get Eggman thinks he is dumb because everyone is dumb to him but around Sonic and Tails he's also the comic relief, sometimes Idris Elba does an awesome job with Knuckles and sometimes he legit sounds drunk in the recording studio. Also the film has so much weird homo-eroticness going on in it with both Robotnik and his henchman and I was sure Tails and Sonic were just gonna fuck in that Syberia scene. But for every lame moment or fart joke something genuinely awesome happens like the Egg Robot walking to Pantera. Also this movie has so many meme templates "CHAOS IS POWERRRR" is totally gonna become a meme.
Also everyone including myself in the theater audibly went "UGH!" when Sonic calls Tom Dad 😂
i 100% believe Stone is in love with Eggman, but I don't see it being reciprocated tbh, Eggman doesn't seem the type to be into romance whatsoever
@@meleeludens yeah I think he keeps him around to stroke his ego
@@Khranok stone crush on him is cute tho! poor guy deserves better lol, eggman really sucks
Agent Latte is a black stain on these movies.
yeah sure I don't buy that "everyone clapped" unison bullshit.
I'm just really glad that it's great enough for kids to want more Sonic stuff that will in turn give us more Sonic games lol
Tbh though I'm afraid of the prospect of new games though lol, SEGA's isn't the most competent developer on the planet
Sega is now going after Sonic becomming a multi media character. I doubt they will try to make games for the new fans
Watch the nest game being total dogshit and aimless as it can be
@xid They are SEGA's mascot. That would not happen.
Exactly xd
sonic preparing while "it's tricky" was playing is pretty rad imo
>go watch the movie
No, I'm German, a German of Germanic ethnicity.
And while the US is chiefly Germanic as well, I don't feel represented by American movies anymore.
Even if some of my most favorite videogame characters are in it.
That is a very silly reason to not watch a movie. I get the lack of representation thing, but sometimes that stuff just doesn't matter if all you're looking for is entertainment.
I would love a video about all the easter eggs about the movie! while i was watching it i loved all the references i could see, like the genesis manual, the labyrinth waterslide, and the adventure pose at the start. Plus when I saw G.U.N. i freaked out and immidietly knew that the 3rd had to have shadow. I wish they had some fun music fpr labyrinth zone and the death egg, but overall i enjoyed it a lot!
you know if they're going to do a knuckles series, i do feel that maybe that could be a good time to introduce metal sonic, taking inspiration from the knuckles chaotix plot and whatnot
I liked it, only part I didn't like about it is the wedding.
Knuckles is the best part about it.
I gotta say that my favourite scene in the movie was when they were panning out from the Sega logo and you could see that in one of the small squares there was persona 5 footage.
6:40 it was neat hearing the "Drowning theme" though it was very faint, you can hear it in the song that plays when Sonic is stuck in the water after he frees Knuckles
I loved the movie, but yeah that wedding scene did feel out of place. Other than that though, the movie was charming and moved at a decent pace. I don't mind the whole, "Sonic is a kid" aspect since it allows him to reasonably do stupid things.
Well Sonic is a kid even in the main games. 16 (Generations ages him up a year). Even in canon, hes done stupid things out of impulse
16 isn't "a kid". It's a teenager. Hell, it's legally an adult in some countries.
Really gotta stop this crap that people are kidsy little kids until they are 17, 11 months and 30 days, but oh the next day they are full grown adults.
@@ufazig I don't think its been ever said what movie sonic's age is. Personally, I feel he sits somewhere between 14 and 15. He's too young to be thinking of romance, but old enough to understand a lot of adult concepts like responsibility. More importantly, He's young enough that a parental figure is both needed, but not dependent upon, whereas any younger and he would need adult help, and any older and he woupd be more independent.
As for your aside, 18 is simply the year that a person is commonly accepted to be responsible for themselves. It isnt some magical line that when crossed makes them adults, but rather the point where everyone can agree the person should have known better. And just as there are people that mature before 18, there are people that haven't past 18. Or 20... Or 25. It gets depressing fast.
I really like the second movie I think It had more fight scenes Then the last one
I LOVE how the first complain in this video about the movie was about the hecking dog. That’s just so funny.
Just got out of my second showing of the film, definitely a fun time from start to end .
Seeing Knuckles' movie design next to his game design made realize that I actually think the movie design looks way better.
What I like: Sonic, Tails & Knuckles
What I don't like: Wedding scenes go on for long. No scene where we see Tails' tribe?
I thought the wedding scene was funny lol. Also YES I really wanted to see Tails’s tribe, maybe in a flashback or something.
@@tabifiedler6944 what if we see that in the third movie? Who knows? Or possibly a deleted scene?
There are numerous ways they can handle Maria's death, it wouldn't be the first kids movie where an innocent character dies, in fact I think it's only in Shadow's game where she is explicitly shot. They can write around it saying she succumbed to her illness because she wasn't properly treated after she and the rest of the space colony staff were arrested by the military, then it's still their fault in some way.
As long as they stay true to what makes Shadow's character arc compelling I'm sure it will be a good adaptation, that being:
-His sibling-like relationship with Maria
-The pain of losing her due to the actions of humans
-Recognising that revenge isn't the answer
-Redeeming himself with a heroic sacrifice that ends in his death
Personally I'm hoping we at least get two super sayain hedgehogs fighting a giant lizard in space while Live and Learn plays, it's too good of a set piece not to put on the big screen.
Never was really into the sonic games but this was a pretty good movie! So I will probably play the original sonic games again and also watch the first movie cause why not.
I loved the movie so much. Seeing that scene where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles all teamed up for the first time to fight the Death Egg robot was the best thing I've ever seen. I adore Sonic Heroes and that's the first thing that came to mind. And Super Sonic near the end was just amazing. I do wish they could have some songs/remixes from the games instead of just some generic fight music, but I understand why they don't use them.
The dog was the one who released Shadow, calling it now.
Part of me is assuming Stone is being set up to replace Robotnik in some way, Jim Carrey said it would be his last film and the end sequence definitely tried to make it look like robotnik isn't coming back
really hoping metal sonic gets to be in the knuckles show thru some type of chaotix plotline, I gotta see my boy fully realized in this artstyle
I genuinely laughed a bit with some of Sonic's quips. Knew that he would go super at the climax. The only real problem I have with the movie is that we need less human characters and more of Sonic vs. Robotnik.
I feel like the human characters fleshed it out a little bit. I mean I don't want a movie filled with a bunch of a animal characters. Like sonic forces where they removed humans entirely.
@@smurgerburger ikr. This movie gives me a Sonic X kinda vibe, where every character has a stake in the plot including the humans
I really loved the movie characterized version of these guys,knuckles was one of the best characters ever in this movie can't wait the series,honestly think the wedding scene dragged too long.
There was a part where Eggman and Knuckles were talking about something and one of them said “I’ll show you the way”
That was a CLEAR reference to Ugandan Knuckles and I haven’t really hard anyone else mention that.
There was some hardcore sonic fans in front of my seat when I watched it and they were yelling as soon shadow showed up
Hey cybershell - I'd love to hear that breakdown of all the tiny references in the film
I'll be honest, I had an extreamly surface level knowledge of sonic. My only context really was a couple memes and a toxic fanbase. I hadn't even seen the first one, but this movie was still an absolute blast to watch and is kickstarting some motivation to start learning about the lore from the games! I'm old enough to be a college student and this movie really made me feel like a kid again! This should be a testimate to how good the studio was able to make this so enjoyable, even to non-fans like myself!
"we were denied a scene of tails literally getting trolled" is the funniest thing that could have possibly been said in a review of this movie
Finally the lord is back, it been days!!
Tails's content got cut massively and its visible as I found them referencing content later in the movie that never happened in the movie. The chaos emeralds did fly off. Its either that or I am already getting a Mandela effect going on which for me doesn't take long. Also the ending was kinda bad where they try to force knuckles, tails, and sonic as Donut lord's kids just to have the audiences kids paste their faces onto. The average house hold now has 1.25 kids. Its going on a track of in a few years being 0.25.
Pretty quick upload since the last video, but I really liked the amount of references there were in the new Sonic movie. I also liked the addition of G.U.N., something I was not expecting, and it was nice to see them again, because I last saw them in Sonic Generations and then never again after that. Overall it’s an amazing movie.
Considering how much Knuckles is written like Worf here, I expect the third movie to be about his spine being broken by a blue barrel and the main characters debating over whether or not they'll euthanize him.
Here's an idea that a friend told me after watching the movie with him:
What if in the third movie, Shadow gets a big villain focus, but also Metal Sonic and even Chaos appear alongside him; and the movie could even be called "Sonic 3: Triple Trouble" or something like that.
And then knack the weasel shows up
I feel like they should just stick to adapting the Maria/Gerald Robotnik plot line, Chaos and Tikal would kinda need to have their own plot focused on them, I think that Metal Sonic could potentially fit in but the Shadow backstory is already plenty to work with
I’m strongly against referential humour as the main source of comedy. For one, it will date the work very obviously, and for another, if you’re relying on the audience having knowledge of something else for your work to be entertaining, it’s not standing up on its own merits. I think the writing is the part of this movie that’s going to age most poorly.
6:47 would be even cooler if they straight up played Hard Times from the Jetzons in the snowboard part of the movie kkkkkkkkkk
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Judging by the post credits scene and the fact that Jim Carrey might retire and they said they won't recast him, I'm gonna bet that Stone will be the main villain of Sonic 3, and his arc is gonna be accepting that Robotnik is gone and that he can't keep wasting his energy on someone who never cared for him in return.
9:40 also, I'm someone who hates almost every sonic game that isn't Mean Bean Machine, but I loved both movies. This one specifically was super fun.
The cafe that was in the movie was called the mean bean btw
It’s just so damn cute and charming!!! Honestly I never expect these to be masterpieces but god they give me everything I could want from sonic on the big screen. And knuckles. My god I could talk about him forever. A new addition to my himbo collection.
I'm very disappointed how they didn't make Robotnik fat In Sonic 2. It's his most basic and obvious trait and Carrey would have been funny in a fat suit. They could have come up with a backstory where he got depressed after being defeated by Sonic in the first film, so he started eating a lot. Massive missed opportunity.
I mean, you can't eat that much when all you have is mushrooms.
7:27 I also felt the same until I remembered that Chaos and Tikal were trapped in the Master Emerald, so it was established in the lore that you can store beings, spirits and what not within it.
Also, I would've loved seeing Metal Sonic in the third movie rather than you know who, but I won't deny I still smiled at it and I am extremely curious to see how they will handle him, it is just I would've prefered Metal to close this trilogy and maybe later make a second trilogy covering the events from SA1, SA2 and maybe the Advance games.
@@FindingsOfAnArmouredMind i guess the problem is that metal doesn't have much story? in a way he was never the final boss (except in heroes) so having him as a main villain is kinda.... meh?
He does have a story tho. He was built in order to rival Sonic and, unlike all other Eggman's creations, he had a will of his own, which makes him stronger as he learns. He is a killing machine that's almost sentient. Sonic CD the Sonic OVA, the Archie comics and what not (Hell, he's a boss in Knuckles Chaotix too) are all yoi need to flesh it out.
I love Tails’s design so much he’s so Damn cute.
My biggest problem though is that they treat the master emerald like the phantom ruby. It can kind of do what ever it wants when Egg man uses it.
We are witnessing history two cybershell uploads in one month.
Can we talk about how much of this movie Tails spends unconscious, being dragged around everywhere?
Went absolutely crazy for the post-credits with Shadow, literally started screaming when I saw that! I was that one person in the cinema that would just explain every reference to my friend. Seeing this movie was such an honor, one of my current favourite movies.
When I first saw the Eggman Outfits scene during theaters I immediately thought of the studio forcing Jim Carrey to wear a maid outfit and there's something about it that doesn't feel real to me.
Come on, you know he was totally up for that
@@officialFredDurstfanclub true
Can't wait for the Sonic Movie 2 bonus video.
Knuckles was handled very well in this movie. They could have easily gone down the dumb meathead route because haha funny kids' movie, but no. He finally feels like a worthy rival/ally to Sonic again.
I'll be honest, I thought the pacing was incredibly strange. The movie felt like a rough draft in a lot of places, especially the first half. Tails gets zero development, sadly and the wedding scene/weird romance sub plot with Rachel (seriously, what was that about?) went on way longer than it needed to. No joke, I felt like I was watching two completely different movies at once and I think everyone in the theatre felt the same way.
Labyrinth Zone though... *Chef's kiss* beautiful.
i think it's heavily going under the radar for the 3rd film that knuckles says his entire tribe vanished the same day as longclaw. I think thats a big hint that the 3rd film will throw in a 3rd party not from earth as a big bad in the next film. The obvious choice with it wiping out knuckle's tribe is chaos with a tweaked origin story, this would also work with shadow as chaos could functionally fill the same role in his story as the biolizard, just less completely out of left field. Of course there are other 3rd parties it could be from the sonic franchise.
One of the really smart and simple things the 2nd film did was all the plot threads directly carry off plot threads from the first film. Gun was set up by olive garden guy, so I fully expect what would make up sonic 3 will involve a lot of the plot threads left over in 2. Including Stone hiding in Gun and Rachel's husband being a top agent for them. It seems GUN ended this film on good terms with the wachoskis and it sounded like they were not trying to hide shadow but more surprised they found him, so we might see a bit of shadow's plotline changed that he's not woken by robotnik and actually by GUN initially with Rachel's husband being assigned his partner/guard and Stone sneaking to Shadow that there is still a Robotnik out there.
Speaking of robotnik, he established he was an orphan in the first film, they might be more direct/simple in sonic 3 with maria's/gerald's relation to Robotnik then the game (where she was like a cousin or something) and this might make whatever connection shadow has to him stronger and give us a different dynamic to the knuckles, robotnik combo we had in this film.
What if the ting that wiped out Knuckles' tribe was Black Arms lol
@@karnickel-s33d16 functionally it could somewhat work but God skipping over the adventure games to adapt shadow the hedgehog would be such bs.
I just have two super minor nitpicks about the Movie
They should have made Super Sonic's quills a lot longer, he would have looked much cooler
Why did they used some generic "game-like" sound effects and not the original ones (or even the Master System ones, if they really wanted to keep that 8-bit feel)?
Aside from that, I loved the movie and I can't wait to see how they portray Shadow in the next one.
1:15 “sonic 06 was the last mainline game when he was playable” did…
Did you forget that sonic mania exist?
Sonic Mania isn't a mainline game. its a promotional throwback that ties into Forces.
Watched it, epic post credits, some parts were obviously kids bait but the amount of quality and fan service was there, was kinda upset when I figured out how the emeralds work but that’s minor and it really makes people excited for what’s next.