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You talked about directors being handcuffed by canon. I don't see how that can be a thing. The entire reason why I like star wars is because it has deep lore, rules and mythos. If a director wants to tell a certain story and just slap a star wars skin on it I'm out. Lore should not be handcuffs. If a writer or director is not familiar with the material get someone who is to write and or direct it. Each time the rules are broken or canon is changed it makes me less and less interested. Am I in the minority ? If so that's ok. I'll find something else.
If we get a second season of Obi-Wan, I would like a more immediate story with Obi-Wan going on a spiritual journey learning how to become a force ghost. Like in the Clone Wars episode where Yodi did those trials. The 5 priestesses give Obi-Wan the trials. You can bring Vader, Maul, Satine back that way as well akin to Luke’s Dagobah cave scene.
Y’all I fucking love this show. I love star wars and I love getting weekly updates like this. But the chemistry between the 3 of you is wild and so entertaining to watch. Keep it up y’all, wish you nothing but the best!
George understands mythology, as a friend and student of Joseph Campbell. That’s wisdom of mythology adds a lot of depth to his writing. Something that a lot of other writers don’t seem to understand.
Harloff, brother, you’ve got to stop prepping yourself for disappointment with The Acolyte. You may say otherwise but Plagueis…like you’ve got to let the show be it’s show. If he ain’t in it…ya can’t be mad. They haven’t even HINTED at it. Let it stand on its own.
@@SANTAMU3RTE it doesn’t though. It’s 100 years before TPM. Is it possible? Sure, anything is. But putting your expectations on this being a Plageuis story to some extent is unfair to the story they’re trying to tell. If he’s there, that’s great! But if he isn’t you can’t be mad at them for it.
@@joshhunt4146 oh don’t get me started in the Sequels. I still maintain that like 90% of the “fans” that hate TLJ only do so because of the preconceived ideas they had of how it “should” have been. (Looking at you Harloff) lol
@@joshhunt4146 I agree. I hate the rhetoric that there was never any plan at all as well. Clearly, if you read Colin Trevarrow’s script, hear him say he spoke to both JJ and Rian while writing it that there was indeed a plan in place. One which they shouldn’t have been reactionary about. The idea that Rian threw everything JJ “set-up” is entirely false. Folks just didn’t speculate responsibly and decided what they believed was set-up didn’t happen.
Personally I dont trust Disney to handle Plageuis. Considering they seem to focus less on aliens and more on humans, dont be surprised if they change Plagueis to a poc
I have long since disregarded the concept of Star Wars "canon". It's been too messy for years, and the two George Lucas trilogies hang together just fine on their own for me.
Great show everyone! I 100% agree that I feel like it's false advertising to call the books and comics cannon and then change it when ever for shows and movies especially with how much money I first sunk into it. Thanks for the good conversations and laughs needed them today. Keep up the great work!
Checked out all your shows. Got me in with Winston, Coy, Dan, and Steph. And I've seen how passionate yet genuine you are with your content. Also you put me on to Andrea Riseborough BEFORE she was even nominated. You earned my respect, Harloff. You got yourself a goddamn new subscriber.
1:02:06 1:03:14 I love these ideas. If they do more Obi-Wan with Ewan, that should be the concept. Hire Beau Willimon from Andor to showrun this series and I'm all in.
I remember back when Disney announced Legends and the new continuity, and claimed it would all be held together by the Story Group. It sounded good, but as someone who has been on the periphery of the industry through family and friends, I was always suspicious. The reality of Hollywood is that there is a very clear - and very, very arrogant - hierarchy, and it is based on exactly one thing: how much revenue they have brought in (be it via box office, streaming, whatever). Anyone who comes to a major director or producer and say "well you can't do that because it breaks canon that was established in this animated series" is going to get laughed out of the room. They do what they want, and will tell you up and down that you can paper over it with a "certain point of view" kind of explanation ala Obi Wan. On the flipside, the story group hasn't done the kind of quality control I would have hoped, and a lot of the stories they have told in other media have been... not great.
I like the bad batch in spite of the filler episodes. I don't obsess over it like Andor or Mando, but the batch does present some important lore related stuff ( order 66 from the clones perspective, war mantle, the phasing out of clones for stormtrooper conscripts, the role of Rex, and Cody coming to terms with his attempt to kill Obi Wan - you can see his confusion and regret in epi 3. ) The Crosshair episode was actually moving and powerful. One can enjoy the series if one is patient with the filler episode side quests which are there to entertain the kids while dropping nuggets of overall plot. As Kristian pointed out, epi 5 revealed more of PHee's overall skill set and bond with Omega. This will be interesting if it plays into the overall plot.
I fear Acolyte will be another vanilla telling of a villain story, with a pinch of that wonderful Disney wokness. Hope I’m proved wrong. Andor was a breath of fresh air after Kenobi.
I am with you, and completely worried that is what The Acolyte will fall into. I am keeping my expectations/excitement pretty neutral with that show, as it could be great. but could be how you described it (sure hope not), cause if done well.....should set up the next 10+ years of storytelling in Star Wars. Hearing Amandala's take on SW (i did not know she was a fellow SW geek like us),. and knowing showrunner Leslie Headland's deep background in Legends etc, its hard not to get excited! Just hope that folks in the studio dont try to push an agenda.....and let the talent play out :)
I think (maybe incorrectly) that the people who enjoy the Jedi/Sith want to see a lot of lightsaber pewpew, I am looking way forward to the mystery aspect of it, kinda like Kenobi during the first bit of AOTC. Guess we’ll see, but definitely looking forward to this.
Thank you for taking my question regarding the Darth Bane novels. I see your point on developing those novels Into a series, longer time for character development, story & generally more time In that story. Same with the Kotor games, I'm sure your would agree.
I will boldly say yes because of the Disney Trilogy and the shows that came after to an extent made a mess with Star wars lore like Force healing came out of nowhere in Episode 3 Anakin went darkside because The Emperor mention if he went to the darkside he will have the healing power to save Padme which didn't happen now in Episode 9 and the Mandalorian show to an extent Force healing is a thing with no explanation behind the power. The disrespect of Obi-Wan and Luke Skywalker's characters, Mark Hamill was disappointed in his role as Luke in the Disney Trilogy he said it in many interviews before the last Jedi was released and yes his character is nothing like him in the original trilogy he made some silly mistakes that make no sense to force him to give up as a Jedi. Obi-Wan is a complete moron in his own show calling Leia's name in front of 4 Stormtroopers on the vehicle almost getting caught was one of the stupid moments in the show and somehow Darth Vader and Obi-Wan have these crazy force powers out of nowhere to hype up fans in the final battle of season 1 just felt out of place to me. I could go on about how Rey and Kylo force connection doesn't make sense in Episode 8 and 9 and how lame Boba Fett is in his own show and The Death Star and Palatine's return in Ep9 but I'll leave it here so my comment won't be too long. While there are some positive good editions to the lore the bad and confusing outweighs the good.
I read everything, just with the comics alone thats 40$ a month or 480$ just from one fan buying the comics every year. I believe that we deserve to be rewarded for our loyalty by at the very least maintaining the stories we were told would be cannon. I don't know, maybe there needs to be a class action lawsuit for false advertising
Hey Sith Council. Love the show. I’m a big fan. As a longtime fan of Classic Star Wars and the EU especially I have to admit I’m a little concerned the SW universe overall is in shambles mostly because of the damage done with the Disney Wars films. I’ve been enjoying The Mandalorian but I can’t shake the feeling that this show is going to start to connect more and more to those films as I’ve predicted before. It only reiterates my belief that either Mandalorian or even a new series should’ve been set in the Old Republic not 100 years before the prequels but thousands of years prior to everything. To see Jedi and Sith in their prime would be such a treat especially diving into the lore something that outside of The Mandalorian and Fallen Order has been seriously lacking. I’m at the point where I’m content to watch some of these shows but not with the intention of getting too excited. The games are exploring new aspects of the SW universe: SW Eclipse, KOTOR remake, Jedi Survivor. Not sure why the films can’t do this. But at the end of the day I’ll always have my EU collection to fall back on. As excited as I am for Mandalorian I’m not getting my hopes up anymore because I’ve been disappointed several times over.
Thank you Kristian and Sith Council, such great episodes week to week! IMO, I look forward more to the Star Wars TV shows that are coming out than movies atm.
I will say as far as the bad batch episode there was a lot of lore from fallen order with a lot of references to zeffo and that species but you wouldnt know without playing the game seemed to be a lore building episode especially as filoni directed this one.
Yeah unfortunately 100% the canon is extremely messy atm and here’s a couple of the biggest examples: You have retconns with Clone Wars season 7 and how Maul was captured compared to the Ahsoka book (though however there is an out because the fight between Maul and Ahsoka cuts when he’s thrown out the window. You could very well draw this out and say they had to track Maul down again and set a ray shield trap for him which he then escaped out of and then we see his actual capture later. I don’t think this is intended at all though but it’s a head canon possibility). But Tales of the Jedi also retcons the Ahsoka novel in that episode 6 she meets Bail at the funeral but in the book she doesn’t meet him until much later and Bail doesn’t know she’s alive and R2 plays a big part in their meeting. Also that episode is basically a copy of an event in the Ahsoka novel but done on such a smaller scale and it’s hella rushed and not emotional or as epic in that book which is a whole climax and emotional release. It’s also just really weird that essentially the exact same thing fundamentally happened twice in such a short amount of time but obviously that’s not supposed to be the case as it’s supposed to be a retcon. Also in tales of the Jedi there’s a debate about Dooku and when he left the order. In the books he leaves it before TPM and in moments comes across very dark already, in episode 4 it seems like he’s still in the order like he was in legends but people theorise he has left but is just on good terms with the order. However if that’s the case I don’t think he should still have his lightsaber for obvious reasons and in a comic a Jedi is extremely surprised that he even has a lightsaber (who Dooku then has to kill) before they found out he was a sith. In Bad Batch Kanan’s order 66 experience is completely different to his comic. In the comic it’s much more thought out and better handled with character moments and military campaign objectives while in Bad Batch he’s just chucked in there for forced fan service which ruins the moment and harms the notion of his distrust of clones a little. Ultimately this is what I’m most upset by because Kanan is in my top 10 Star Wars characters and this was done so much worse for such a poor reason which was forced fan service. You have broken physics in TFA which makes it impossible for me to fit it within the rest of the Star Wars canon (Starkiller base sniping a system with 100% accuracy from a galaxy away powered by the sun at a speed faster than hyperspace which should be impossible which everyone also can see across the galaxy in real time on different planets despite light not working that way in universe as we know Leia can still see Aldeeran’s star post ANH after it’s blown up). Narrative wise that’s also messy as this big red lazy reset button (which is honestly the worst macguffin I’ve ever seen even by JJ Abrams standards which is saying something haha) makes the galaxy stagnant and screws the progression and renders the past accomplishments and legacies of characters redundant to repeat the Empire vs Rebels plot. You also have further repetitive stuff in Fallen Order and Kenobi which makes no sense. Plus you have characters in both of those projects looking like idiots and out of character (Obi-wan just does and says things he’d never do and he would never have let Reeva walk away or trust his whole mission of protecting Luke to a literal lying scammer he had met for a total of 1 minute prior who drops it conveniently anyway for Reeva to get it) and power levels are completely mucked up between Vader in both, Kenobi, Cere, Cal and the nightsister girl. And in Kenobi we see him and Owen end on good terms but the next time we see them in a comic Owen has spit coming out of his mouth from raging about Obi-wan even coming near Luke and also Obi-wan apparently had never touched his lightsaber in years as he says in the comics but due to the show he had actually used it very recently. But yeah the show also just makes no sense to what we see in the OT with Owen and Ben having a rocky relationship and Ben pushing Luke to kill his father, Ben saying Luke is the only hope and Leia also never knowing Obi-wan apart from war stories when he last helped her father in the clone wars. Also the inquisitors are radically different and nothing like what we see in Rebels in demeanour and appearance. And in Fallen Order Vader is searching for a Jedi holocron about force sensitive youngling but that makes no sense and is out of character because we see him destroy that holocron in the Vader comics shortly after ROTS as he doesn’t want his master to have access to it and more potential inquisitors. Vader hates the inquisitors so he’d destroy the holocron himself not let Cal retrieve it. And there’s some other inconsistencies with Fallen Order and the Ahsoka novel. Plus hyperspace is super inconsistent as always ahaha. And also a small one is Cassian’s sepratist backstory but there’s still room for that to be a thing to be fair So I just make my own head canon and for me the better story in whatever form trumps the other inconsistency. I take the Ahsoka novel over episode 6 of Tales of the Jedi and Fallen Order. I take the Kanan comic over Bad Batch episode 1. I take Tales of the Jedi episode 4 over the Dooku comics for now and I just don’t bother trying to fit the Kenobi show or ST in my canon haha. Ultimately that’s how George thought of it though. He said there were 3 pillars of canon, his canon, Lucasfilm’s canon which was the EU and then the fan’s canon. I honestly began subscribing to that last year and take whatever Lucas contributed to as paramount and fill in the gaps with the stories I love both from Disney and legends. I’m so much happier as I’m no longer upset by screw ups or content that I really dislike as it just never actually happened for me in the Star Wars universe instead
Face it, the books not canon anymore. Regardless of what they said, the books and comics are only canon for as long as until a live action or animation writer decides to retcon them. Don't get attached.
@@kevthepoet You misunderstand. I don’t care what they say anymore. The shows and films retcon each other too. I’m taking the better story as canon, idc what form that takes wether it’s in prose or through visual storytelling. For example the Ahsoka book is definitely way more canon for me than Episode 6 of Tales of the Jedi which is just so mediocre and lackluster. And the Kanan comic is 100% canon over the Bad Batch episode 1 which is just not good at all. The Kenobi comics get the characters right and are more true to the OT and don’t contradict or ruin anything so they’re also 100% more canon than the Kenobi show. And the Kenobi book by John Jackson Miller even is as well despite that being Legends so that’s also apart of my canon over the Kenobi show which ruins everything and doesn’t make any sense or fit anywhere
Down for all of it. There’s so much on the way, and you know I’m waiting for Big Baddie Blue. I already know I’m not going to like the way it goes, but I just want that moment when he finally graces the screen to sing into my soul. Also Mike’s blblblblblblblblbl sound effect that paused the show was funny. Happy hump day!
Though, I would push back that, as much as I love Maul, Thrawn is smarter, more calculating and strategic so I could see him wearing Ezra down? That still leaves you with people not having a connection with him unless they’d seen Rebels.
Skeleton Crew. If it's like Andor I'm interested. If it's like any of the other Disney+ Star Wars shows (or Willow, Jesus Christ...) then I don't care.
I just love spending time in a galaxy far far away. I don’t need it to change my life every week. Idk. I get what you mean about an over arching story but I’m sure we’ll get that in future episodes.
I think the one thing missing in the canon conversation is how little people care about canon connectivity with books and comics. Rogue One made a billion dollars because it was a movie. Most people who loved that movie, probably saw it multiple times and never thought once about picking up a comic book telling them how Andor met K2SO. That reality is shitty for comics and book fans, but the truth is that the canon set up in movies and shows will always matter more. KK isn't going to announce that the canon is broken because of a comic book storyline inconsistency.
I believe the biggest problem with the Star Wars canon is that it really never had boundaries, even when George Lucas himself said the only canon that mattered was the one he specifically had put out there. The reason for that is continuity. It's almost impossible to maintain true continuity when you're talking about such an expansive franchise developed over generations, with dozens of focal characters and hundreds of side characters, and a gazillion finer points, technicalities and specifics regarding everything from ships to droids to worlds to varying species (besides Basic-speaking humans - they're mainly the focal characters), The Force, etc. The writers, directors, producers don't all see the same things, don't all develop stories the same way, develop their own visions for the outcomes of their stories utilizing various paths, and explore their little worlds inside the larger world differently. When each one has his or her own sandbox in which to play, the sand isn't always going to be tossed, kicked, shifted, maneuvered, shoveled, packed or sifted the same way. Even with a story group as detailed and hardcore as the one with Lucasfilm, some little tidbits are going to become ajar from something that previously may have been put out there, especially within the novels and comics, where a whole different set of editors and production people are overseeing the processes that are extremely lengthy and bearish to work through on a long-term basis. Something's bound to get missed, overshadowed, forgotten or just plain screwed up. Unfortunately, that's a byproduct of the enormity of the franchise and having all the gazillions of stories that can be told within it developed using a plethora of formats. Even with highly focused collaborative efforts, some things are going to get missed or altered a little bit for the sake of the creative process and the goal of that particular element within the franchise. That's just the way these things work. And, sure ... is it a little frustrating or annoying when something we thought was the way it was is altered a little, or maybe a bit more than a little? Yeah. But we also have to remember that the ones developing the stories reserve the right to make alterations as they see fit, regardless of our feelings or "the way it was," especially if they have a solid reasoning as to why they're doing so. Obviously, that's if they even realize they're doing so. Besides that, these people are really busy. They don't always have the time to go back and extensively review every little nuance of what came before for a certain character, story arc, etc., especially if what previously was put out there occurred within a book or comic. And the truth is, many elements brought forth in a book, comic or video game (and don't forget, some franchise fans don't play video games, or read comics or books) might take way too long to develop within a film or TV series, so it has to either get ignored, axed or slightly redeveloped in some way. Again, that's just the way these things work. It's an unfortunate circumstance of the creative processes generated by many individuals. Of course, as fans who are buying into all of it, the way we can overcome potential letdowns, disappointments and otherwise negative reactions is to remember this: expecting all those involved to get it or do it right (or the way you believe it to be right) 100% of the time, without alteration at some point or in some manner, is both unrealistic and a recipe for letdown, disappointment and otherwise negative reaction. In other words, this stuff happens - don't let it bring you down too much. If something within the "canon" gets mixed up, altered or flat-out restructured, take it for what it's worth and move on. It's not like you're going to be able to change it, anyway.
Great episode Kristian! I'm liking Bad Batch season 2 so far just for some fun weekly Star Wars. I'm confident they will pull it all together in the final episodes. Rebels was iffy for me at first but now the season 2 finale holds several of my top 10 favorite Star Wars moments of all time. Can't wait for the Acolyte as well!
I'm sticking to the Expanded Universe comics and novels. I respect all materials to be legitimate story-telling mediums of their own, and since these things were meant to be the original official Star Wars continuity made in the George Lucas Era with lots of input from and collaboration with the man himself, it will always be the primary Star Wars canon for me. I'll still check on Disney Star Wars every now and then, but I'll treat it as a rebooted alternate universe that will never reach the depth and details of the EU because of corporate interference, lack of creativity due to the current political atmosphere, and their disregard for their own new canon materials. I've been phasing most of the Disney era and TCW figures out of my six-inch collection and focusing on collecting EU characters, which will help me remove Ahsoka and the sequel trilogy characters from my consciousness, and burn the Expanded Universe deeper into my general conception of the Star Wars mythology whenever I look at my shelf.
The Unknown Regions are what they need most, a blank canvas. Obi-Wan 2 money talks. Tatooine is a dead-end, no story. So tell Andor arcs of a few key days at other locations. Tell the story of The Emperor and Vader hunting the remaining Jedi and force sensitives, and Obi-Wan at the edges saving a few. Can't redo Obi-Wan v. Vader, but can do Obi-Wan v. Palpatine.
Great show as always! While I agree there is great content in the expanded universe, so much of it is terrible. Personally, besides knights of the old republic I would love to see new lore established in the canon.
Yes, it is too messy. I’m giving Filoni and Favs the benefit of the doubt that at some point the various series, and a new canon trilogy will retcon some of the il-fated sequel trilogy, and anchor a coherent future. So many opportunities were missed with the sequels, and they can’t afford another massive swing and miss. I hope that they are brave enough, and all that is happening now amounts to setting the table to actually swing big, and connect.
Would this be the same Dave Filoni that sees Rian Johnson as a mentor, credits Johnson wirh encouraging him to move into live-action filmmaking, has referenced many of The Last Jedi's visual, thematic, and story elements in his own work, and responded enthusiastically to The Rise of Skywalker's planned story beats in production meetings (as per the official 'Art Of' book)? Or a different Filoni that I'm not aware of? And the same Jon Favreau that spent much of his own series setting up the origins of Snoke, The First Order, and Luke's Jedi Academy? Or a different Favreau that I'm not aware of? Just because a number of fans have come to see their own idealised fannishness projected onto and reflected back in Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau ('he just gets it!'), that doesn't mean that Filoni and Favreau themselves think like embittered fans. Even leaving aside the notion that any major movie studio would ever scrub a $4.5 billion grossing, two-thirds critically-acclaimed trilogy of films from the record books on vindictive grounds over the hysterical wailings of a tiny minority of entitled fans is so absurd that it's scarcely worth even thinking it.
@@JBlood-gf5pv well there you go then, that's proof positive that what Dave Filoni really wants to do with his career is spend eight years of his creative prime and all his ernergies remaking and retconning a trilogy of movies that someone else has already made, isn't it? Notwithstanding that he's already got at least four other series currently being made under his immediate supervision. Notwithstanding that Filoni has already been at Lucasfilm for eighteen years now working exclusively on Star Wars when his collaborators on Airbender have moved on to making their own original content, and he might reasonably want to move on and do other things in his career. But retconning other people's movies, that's what he must really want to spend his time doing.
I spent quite a bit of money on the books and while they are really good, they didnt get any pay off in the movies. Bloodline, Catalyst and Lost Stars. All amazing. I won’t even read Shadow Of The Sith because it’s like retrospectively fixing the bad writing of the movies. I’m fully invested in Star Wars TV. Hopefully I will be in future movies.
44:01 Lol I already don't take Disney canon seriously considering how exactly Cobb Vanth acquired Boba Fett's armor in the Aftermath novels was changed up in Mando season 2. Or in the Vader comic, the Darth has a wayfinder and journey's to Exogol finding out about Sidious secret Sith Fleet in cold storage; yet in Rise of Skywalker backstory, Luke & Lando were trying to find a way to get to Exogol but never managed to get hold of Vader's wayfinder at his castle on Mustafar. Yet Anakin never bothered to give his son any kind of "sign", or nothing to help him get that wayfinder? Or the color of Kanan's master's lightsaber being changed up, along with how exactly his backstory went regarding order 66 in the comic, and that being changed up for the prologue of Bad Batch. So really Disney have gone completely back on what they said about how ALL their published Starwars comics, books and video-games would be consistent to all their movies and series. Looks to me like Kathy's Lucasfilm Story Group are useless.
Steph always looks on point so that if you saw her walking around in LA, someone might wonder if she was some celebrity, but then she opens her mouth and the most adorable, down to earth stuff comes tumbling out and you’re just totally charmed by her. Kaliniowski can be so contentious and firey that there are times I’m saying “you’re wrong, Mike!” “Or right there with you” out loud in front of my screen and its why I think this trio is so fun. Also, Kaliniowski, pretty handsome, himself. As always, thanks for the show guys!
OK, Kristian: I'll keep tuning in to Bad Batch until Mando 3 premieres if you say that it gets better since you've seen the majority of this season; these last 2 eps have been a struggle!
I find the Star Wars animation style abysmal. It looks so bad. I feel like its a show made by Funko Pop. What I loved so much about Star Wars Visions was seeing a different animation style. There was some amazing stuff in there but in general Star Wars has the same weak 3D animation style that I just can't get into. Would love to see Star Wars make something at the level of Arcane. I am dying to see DC animation do the same thing which has fallen into the same cheap style for decades.
I stopped reading the books and comics partly because I didn't like the high Republic stuff that much, but mostly because the movies and shows made it clear that none of it is really cannon.
I did write another comment detailing the biggest messy inconsistencies, I’m truly sorry for anyone who read through that monster ahaha. But in summary most of the messy stuff comes from Fallen Order, Tales of the Jedi, Kenobi, TFA and the Bad Batch and they screw with the other shows, films, comics or books (especially the Ahsoka novel and the Kanan comic run which is disappointing because those 2 in particular are some of the best Star Wars content ever written and the things that contradict it have worse replacement moments or things in them that make less sense) But I just make my own head canon now and for me the better story in whatever form trumps the other inconsistency. So for example I take the Ahsoka novel over episode 6 of Tales of the Jedi and that along with the Vader comics over Fallen Order. I take the Kanan comic over Bad Batch episode 1. I take Tales of the Jedi episode 4 over the Dooku comics for now and I just don’t bother trying to fit the Kenobi show or ST in my canon haha. Ultimately that’s how George thought of it too though. He said there were 3 pillars of canon, his canon, Lucasfilm’s canon which was the EU and then the fan’s canon. I honestly began subscribing to that last year and take whatever Lucas contributed towards as paramount and fill in the gaps with the stories I love both from Disney and legends. I’m so much happier man let me tell you lmao. I’m no longer upset by screw ups or content that I really dislike as it just never actually happened for me in the Star Wars universe instead now. I truly think this is the way lol
The Old Republic is the perfect place to do what should have been done with the sequels. You have at least a thousand years of open time line to work with. Imagine the possibilities. You can have the Thrawn trilogy just with different names. Goldmune possibilities.
Maybe Andor and KS20 meeting will not be shown in the series at all. There are going to be huge time jumps. They should just skip it and have them working together after a jump!
My gut tells me that this will be a 'touch point' for a future High Republic comic/novel. When annoying/discount Hondo POC-Pirate tells us the glyphs inside the mountain is thousands of years ago and then the big machine/monster comes out, just screams something from the High Republic so this show will just be a "I saw that in a Bad Batch episode!!" moment.
Not bored, just looking at my phone alot lmao...Mike is an Alien lmfao. I've never seen anyone talk in such odd cadence and pacing, sure if himself and then unsure and then more confident than ever about something he shouldn't be b4 stumbling over something he should be sure about but isn't hahahahaha he kills me. God love him
So talking about filler/continuity I'm watching the x files rn I'm on s7 but what I'd does well is the balance of filler/continuity. There's an argument that the fillers are better than continuity but on the other hand you can say the fillers are good because it's sandwiched between the continuity EP therefore they provide a pallet cleanser/fresh story
Such a bummer I keep saying this would be a better as a video game. I'm pretty bummed about the lack of development of star wars video games. I'm still playing the great ones from 20 years ago. 🤦
If lucasfilm and Disney do not adapt the Bane trilogy and Plagueis novels into series's with the correct tone, and basically sticking to the pure unrefined Star Wars gold that is right under there noses, and by the way a License to print more cash than they could ever dream of, there literally is no hope.
great show as always! I am not quite sure if I am going to say Bad Batch is not for me (but maybe I should since I wasnt really thinking they should stretch this series out past one season). I am going to skip a bunch of episodes and binge the show in clumps, as the week to week with this format does almost nothing for me. The 3rd episode having rich story, i enjoyed. But have been bored of the other ones. Its Star Wars, so I will root for it to do well. But I would much rather a Tales of the Jedi/Sith like story and structure for SW animation.
@@TheKristianHarloff thanks I just needed to know if anyone else said anything about it. Haven’t been able to watch all the content cause of work but the backlog is filled and ready to be watched.
new cat that has been casted to play Ezra looks tons better than Mena Massoud. not sure on his acting, but he looks pretty great. looks like a slam dunk! just glad they didnt bring in the voice actor of Ezra lol As far as a Darth Bane series.......YES! make it happen Lucasfilm!!!!
I like Mike but as a parent I find it really inappropriate the language he used, when this show is meant to be for all ages. The dude is a good guy but a little self control wouldn't go a miss. Yourself and Steph have a laugh and know where the line is. It's unprofessional from Mike. I felt disappointed in him here. Other than that thanks for another good episode. Btw all I am hoping is perhaps someone sits with Mike and tells him to cut that out on the show in future. I don't want anyone to post him any hate or target Mike in any way. As I say he is a good guy and usually a great part of the show, and he was other than that poor moment.
I wouldnt be so sure on not having another Book of Boba season. the current structure of Lucasfilm feels/seems so out of touch on what the fans want. I wouldnt be surprised if we get Book of Boba 2, and Kenobi 2. lol
The answer is don’t do a trilogy. Always keep Star Wars open ended like Marvel is. There is no need to handcuff filmmakers with a false ending when you want to continue the film series. That was the sequel trilogy’s mistake! Announcing that they were ending the Skywalker saga. They should have never said the word trilogy!
Sam witwer as a live action variation clone of starkiller And ian from shameles playing his live action version Im unfamiliar with these characters honestly How could they best be utilized for live action storytelling??
You’re wrong about the Jedi not being able to reveal their information about the Sith, how else do you think Yoda and the jedi council learn about the rule of two?
So the heart of the mountain in bad batch, the way the puzzles were etc, do you feel it's a reference to the Zepho from Jedi: Fallen Order? Mike says it's a reference to the Arkenstone in the hobbit, but could it be connected to Jedi: Fallen Order? The Zepho were referred to the Ancient Ones. In this show they mention the Ancient ones before the Jedi.
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You talked about directors being handcuffed by canon. I don't see how that can be a thing. The entire reason why I like star wars is because it has deep lore, rules and mythos. If a director wants to tell a certain story and just slap a star wars skin on it I'm out. Lore should not be handcuffs. If a writer or director is not familiar with the material get someone who is to write and or direct it. Each time the rules are broken or canon is changed it makes me less and less interested. Am I in the minority ? If so that's ok. I'll find something else.
I need more backstory and character development on Clint the Stuntguy.
The Sith Council is why I look forward to Wednesdays. Thank you Kristian! Love y'all!
Thank you!
I’m so happy Kaliniwski is back, he keeps me laughing the entire show…it’s just not the same without him 😅
Hes a goofball 😆
I would love to see a Obi Wan Season 2 that shows us Obi Wan and Satines relationship, from the first time they meet and go from there.
If we get a second season of Obi-Wan, I would like a more immediate story with Obi-Wan going on a spiritual journey learning how to become a force ghost. Like in the Clone Wars episode where Yodi did those trials. The 5 priestesses give Obi-Wan the trials. You can bring Vader, Maul, Satine back that way as well akin to Luke’s Dagobah cave scene.
Y’all I fucking love this show. I love star wars and I love getting weekly updates like this. But the chemistry between the 3 of you is wild and so entertaining to watch. Keep it up y’all, wish you nothing but the best!
George understands mythology, as a friend and student of Joseph Campbell. That’s wisdom of mythology adds a lot of depth to his writing. Something that a lot of other writers don’t seem to understand.
Also, loved Kalinowski’s righteous fury about being bored by/not listened to as well as that weird noise he made 🤣
They should have made the Wanda Sykes character Hondo.
Harloff, brother, you’ve got to stop prepping yourself for disappointment with The Acolyte. You may say otherwise but Plagueis…like you’ve got to let the show be it’s show. If he ain’t in it…ya can’t be mad. They haven’t even HINTED at it. Let it stand on its own.
the timeline of the show just lines up perfectly man they don’t even have to hint at plagueis because he’s alive and well during this time
@@SANTAMU3RTE it doesn’t though. It’s 100 years before TPM. Is it possible? Sure, anything is. But putting your expectations on this being a Plageuis story to some extent is unfair to the story they’re trying to tell.
If he’s there, that’s great! But if he isn’t you can’t be mad at them for it.
@@joshhunt4146 oh don’t get me started in the Sequels. I still maintain that like 90% of the “fans” that hate TLJ only do so because of the preconceived ideas they had of how it “should” have been. (Looking at you Harloff) lol
@@joshhunt4146 I agree. I hate the rhetoric that there was never any plan at all as well. Clearly, if you read Colin Trevarrow’s script, hear him say he spoke to both JJ and Rian while writing it that there was indeed a plan in place. One which they shouldn’t have been reactionary about.
The idea that Rian threw everything JJ “set-up” is entirely false. Folks just didn’t speculate responsibly and decided what they believed was set-up didn’t happen.
Personally I dont trust Disney to handle Plageuis. Considering they seem to focus less on aliens and more on humans, dont be surprised if they change Plagueis to a poc
This bad batch episode had a big Fallen Orden conection and hints of things to come in star wars as a whole. A lot of fallen order fans are liking it
I have long since disregarded the concept of Star Wars "canon". It's been too messy for years, and the two George Lucas trilogies hang together just fine on their own for me.
It’s just canon until it’s not. I’ve accepted that and it doesn’t take away any enjoyment from reading comics and novels.
21:50 omg my stomach is in physical pain from laughing so hard
Great show everyone! I 100% agree that I feel like it's false advertising to call the books and comics cannon and then change it when ever for shows and movies especially with how much money I first sunk into it. Thanks for the good conversations and laughs needed them today. Keep up the great work!
Checked out all your shows. Got me in with Winston, Coy, Dan, and Steph. And I've seen how passionate yet genuine you are with your content. Also you put me on to Andrea Riseborough BEFORE she was even nominated.
You earned my respect, Harloff. You got yourself a goddamn new subscriber.
1:02:06 1:03:14 I love these ideas. If they do more Obi-Wan with Ewan, that should be the concept. Hire Beau Willimon from Andor to showrun this series and I'm all in.
I remember back when Disney announced Legends and the new continuity, and claimed it would all be held together by the Story Group. It sounded good, but as someone who has been on the periphery of the industry through family and friends, I was always suspicious. The reality of Hollywood is that there is a very clear - and very, very arrogant - hierarchy, and it is based on exactly one thing: how much revenue they have brought in (be it via box office, streaming, whatever). Anyone who comes to a major director or producer and say "well you can't do that because it breaks canon that was established in this animated series" is going to get laughed out of the room. They do what they want, and will tell you up and down that you can paper over it with a "certain point of view" kind of explanation ala Obi Wan.
On the flipside, the story group hasn't done the kind of quality control I would have hoped, and a lot of the stories they have told in other media have been... not great.
Kristians voice is really solid to listen to, u dont get bother or tired of it as many other youtubers! Content is great 2 by the way :D
I like the bad batch in spite of the filler episodes. I don't obsess over it like Andor or Mando, but the batch does present some important lore related stuff ( order 66 from the clones perspective, war mantle, the phasing out of clones for stormtrooper conscripts, the role of Rex, and Cody coming to terms with his attempt to kill Obi Wan - you can see his confusion and regret in epi 3. ) The Crosshair episode was actually moving and powerful. One can enjoy the series if one is patient with the filler episode side quests which are there to entertain the kids while dropping nuggets of overall plot. As Kristian pointed out, epi 5 revealed more of PHee's overall skill set and bond with Omega. This will be interesting if it plays into the overall plot.
@Steph Sabraw “A Plan” hahaha! Yes!
I fear Acolyte will be another vanilla telling of a villain story, with a pinch of that wonderful Disney wokness. Hope I’m proved wrong. Andor was a breath of fresh air after Kenobi.
I am with you, and completely worried that is what The Acolyte will fall into. I am keeping my expectations/excitement pretty neutral with that show, as it could be great. but could be how you described it (sure hope not), cause if done well.....should set up the next 10+ years of storytelling in Star Wars.
Hearing Amandala's take on SW (i did not know she was a fellow SW geek like us),. and knowing showrunner Leslie Headland's deep background in Legends etc, its hard not to get excited!
Just hope that folks in the studio dont try to push an agenda.....and let the talent play out :)
This is my fear as well. No chance the show will be as dark as it could/should be.
I think (maybe incorrectly) that the people who enjoy the Jedi/Sith want to see a lot of lightsaber pewpew, I am looking way forward to the mystery aspect of it, kinda like Kenobi during the first bit of AOTC. Guess we’ll see, but definitely looking forward to this.
Thank you for taking my question regarding the Darth Bane novels. I see your point on developing those novels Into a series, longer time for character development, story & generally more time In that story. Same with the Kotor games, I'm sure your would agree.
Bad Batch was a Raiders of the Lost Ark and Last Crusade Mashup this week
I love sith council. Steph is always great and Mike always makes me laugh.
First! I've got my new Sith Council shirt on right now man I'm excited for the episode.
I love this!
I will point out that they've already deviated. Look at the Kanan's origin story in Bad Batch and in the comics
Yup
I will boldly say yes because of the Disney Trilogy and the shows that came after to an extent made a mess with Star wars lore like Force healing came out of nowhere in Episode 3 Anakin went darkside because The Emperor mention if he went to the darkside he will have the healing power to save Padme which didn't happen now in Episode 9 and the Mandalorian show to an extent Force healing is a thing with no explanation behind the power. The disrespect of Obi-Wan and Luke Skywalker's characters, Mark Hamill was disappointed in his role as Luke in the Disney Trilogy he said it in many interviews before the last Jedi was released and yes his character is nothing like him in the original trilogy he made some silly mistakes that make no sense to force him to give up as a Jedi. Obi-Wan is a complete moron in his own show calling Leia's name in front of 4 Stormtroopers on the vehicle almost getting caught was one of the stupid moments in the show and somehow Darth Vader and Obi-Wan have these crazy force powers out of nowhere to hype up fans in the final battle of season 1 just felt out of place to me. I could go on about how Rey and Kylo force connection doesn't make sense in Episode 8 and 9 and how lame Boba Fett is in his own show and The Death Star and Palatine's return in Ep9 but I'll leave it here so my comment won't be too long. While there are some positive good editions to the lore the bad and confusing outweighs the good.
Exactly👏👏
I read everything, just with the comics alone thats 40$ a month or 480$ just from one fan buying the comics every year. I believe that we deserve to be rewarded for our loyalty by at the very least maintaining the stories we were told would be cannon. I don't know, maybe there needs to be a class action lawsuit for false advertising
Hey Sith Council. Love the show. I’m a big fan. As a longtime fan of Classic Star Wars and the EU especially I have to admit I’m a little concerned the SW universe overall is in shambles mostly because of the damage done with the Disney Wars films. I’ve been enjoying The Mandalorian but I can’t shake the feeling that this show is going to start to connect more and more to those films as I’ve predicted before. It only reiterates my belief that either Mandalorian or even a new series should’ve been set in the Old Republic not 100 years before the prequels but thousands of years prior to everything. To see Jedi and Sith in their prime would be such a treat especially diving into the lore something that outside of The Mandalorian and Fallen Order has been seriously lacking. I’m at the point where I’m content to watch some of these shows but not with the intention of getting too excited. The games are exploring new aspects of the SW universe: SW Eclipse, KOTOR remake, Jedi Survivor. Not sure why the films can’t do this. But at the end of the day I’ll always have my EU collection to fall back on. As excited as I am for Mandalorian I’m not getting my hopes up anymore because I’ve been disappointed several times over.
Thank you Kristian and Sith Council, such great episodes week to week! IMO, I look forward more to the Star Wars TV shows that are coming out than movies atm.
Kalinowski sounded so deflated when Steph mentioned how she wasn’t around when Batman the Animated Series debuted. Poor Mike 😂
I will say as far as the bad batch episode there was a lot of lore from fallen order with a lot of references to zeffo and that species but you wouldnt know without playing the game seemed to be a lore building episode especially as filoni directed this one.
Yeah unfortunately 100% the canon is extremely messy atm and here’s a couple of the biggest examples:
You have retconns with Clone Wars season 7 and how Maul was captured compared to the Ahsoka book (though however there is an out because the fight between Maul and Ahsoka cuts when he’s thrown out the window. You could very well draw this out and say they had to track Maul down again and set a ray shield trap for him which he then escaped out of and then we see his actual capture later. I don’t think this is intended at all though but it’s a head canon possibility).
But Tales of the Jedi also retcons the Ahsoka novel in that episode 6 she meets Bail at the funeral but in the book she doesn’t meet him until much later and Bail doesn’t know she’s alive and R2 plays a big part in their meeting. Also that episode is basically a copy of an event in the Ahsoka novel but done on such a smaller scale and it’s hella rushed and not emotional or as epic in that book which is a whole climax and emotional release. It’s also just really weird that essentially the exact same thing fundamentally happened twice in such a short amount of time but obviously that’s not supposed to be the case as it’s supposed to be a retcon.
Also in tales of the Jedi there’s a debate about Dooku and when he left the order. In the books he leaves it before TPM and in moments comes across very dark already, in episode 4 it seems like he’s still in the order like he was in legends but people theorise he has left but is just on good terms with the order. However if that’s the case I don’t think he should still have his lightsaber for obvious reasons and in a comic a Jedi is extremely surprised that he even has a lightsaber (who Dooku then has to kill) before they found out he was a sith.
In Bad Batch Kanan’s order 66 experience is completely different to his comic. In the comic it’s much more thought out and better handled with character moments and military campaign objectives while in Bad Batch he’s just chucked in there for forced fan service which ruins the moment and harms the notion of his distrust of clones a little. Ultimately this is what I’m most upset by because Kanan is in my top 10 Star Wars characters and this was done so much worse for such a poor reason which was forced fan service.
You have broken physics in TFA which makes it impossible for me to fit it within the rest of the Star Wars canon (Starkiller base sniping a system with 100% accuracy from a galaxy away powered by the sun at a speed faster than hyperspace which should be impossible which everyone also can see across the galaxy in real time on different planets despite light not working that way in universe as we know Leia can still see Aldeeran’s star post ANH after it’s blown up). Narrative wise that’s also messy as this big red lazy reset button (which is honestly the worst macguffin I’ve ever seen even by JJ Abrams standards which is saying something haha) makes the galaxy stagnant and screws the progression and renders the past accomplishments and legacies of characters redundant to repeat the Empire vs Rebels plot.
You also have further repetitive stuff in Fallen Order and Kenobi which makes no sense. Plus you have characters in both of those projects looking like idiots and out of character (Obi-wan just does and says things he’d never do and he would never have let Reeva walk away or trust his whole mission of protecting Luke to a literal lying scammer he had met for a total of 1 minute prior who drops it conveniently anyway for Reeva to get it) and power levels are completely mucked up between Vader in both, Kenobi, Cere, Cal and the nightsister girl. And in Kenobi we see him and Owen end on good terms but the next time we see them in a comic Owen has spit coming out of his mouth from raging about Obi-wan even coming near Luke and also Obi-wan apparently had never touched his lightsaber in years as he says in the comics but due to the show he had actually used it very recently. But yeah the show also just makes no sense to what we see in the OT with Owen and Ben having a rocky relationship and Ben pushing Luke to kill his father, Ben saying Luke is the only hope and Leia also never knowing Obi-wan apart from war stories when he last helped her father in the clone wars. Also the inquisitors are radically different and nothing like what we see in Rebels in demeanour and appearance.
And in Fallen Order Vader is searching for a Jedi holocron about force sensitive youngling but that makes no sense and is out of character because we see him destroy that holocron in the Vader comics shortly after ROTS as he doesn’t want his master to have access to it and more potential inquisitors. Vader hates the inquisitors so he’d destroy the holocron himself not let Cal retrieve it. And there’s some other inconsistencies with Fallen Order and the Ahsoka novel.
Plus hyperspace is super inconsistent as always ahaha. And also a small one is Cassian’s sepratist backstory but there’s still room for that to be a thing to be fair
So I just make my own head canon and for me the better story in whatever form trumps the other inconsistency. I take the Ahsoka novel over episode 6 of Tales of the Jedi and Fallen Order. I take the Kanan comic over Bad Batch episode 1. I take Tales of the Jedi episode 4 over the Dooku comics for now and I just don’t bother trying to fit the Kenobi show or ST in my canon haha. Ultimately that’s how George thought of it though. He said there were 3 pillars of canon, his canon, Lucasfilm’s canon which was the EU and then the fan’s canon. I honestly began subscribing to that last year and take whatever Lucas contributed to as paramount and fill in the gaps with the stories I love both from Disney and legends. I’m so much happier as I’m no longer upset by screw ups or content that I really dislike as it just never actually happened for me in the Star Wars universe instead
Face it, the books not canon anymore. Regardless of what they said, the books and comics are only canon for as long as until a live action or animation writer decides to retcon them. Don't get attached.
@@kevthepoet You misunderstand. I don’t care what they say anymore. The shows and films retcon each other too. I’m taking the better story as canon, idc what form that takes wether it’s in prose or through visual storytelling. For example the Ahsoka book is definitely way more canon for me than Episode 6 of Tales of the Jedi which is just so mediocre and lackluster. And the Kanan comic is 100% canon over the Bad Batch episode 1 which is just not good at all. The Kenobi comics get the characters right and are more true to the OT and don’t contradict or ruin anything so they’re also 100% more canon than the Kenobi show. And the Kenobi book by John Jackson Miller even is as well despite that being Legends so that’s also apart of my canon over the Kenobi show which ruins everything and doesn’t make any sense or fit anywhere
Yay! Mikes back!
He is!
Buffy and The X-Files started the more serialized shows! 24 and Lost took it ti the next level!
Finally watched Mandalorian seasons 1 and 2 and now understand why people love it!
What took you so long lol
Down for all of it. There’s so much on the way, and you know I’m waiting for Big Baddie Blue. I already know I’m not going to like the way it goes, but I just want that moment when he finally graces the screen to sing into my soul. Also Mike’s blblblblblblblblbl sound effect that paused the show was funny. Happy hump day!
Though, I would push back that, as much as I love Maul, Thrawn is smarter, more calculating and strategic so I could see him wearing Ezra down? That still leaves you with people not having a connection with him unless they’d seen Rebels.
Will the audio only version be available for this episode Kristian? I normally listen to it every week on Spotify but I can’t see this episode.
This show is the highlight of my Wednesdays! Thanks for all of the news and entertainment!
Skeleton Crew. If it's like Andor I'm interested. If it's like any of the other Disney+ Star Wars shows (or Willow, Jesus Christ...) then I don't care.
I just love spending time in a galaxy far far away. I don’t need it to change my life every week. Idk. I get what you mean about an over arching story but I’m sure we’ll get that in future episodes.
I think the one thing missing in the canon conversation is how little people care about canon connectivity with books and comics. Rogue One made a billion dollars because it was a movie. Most people who loved that movie, probably saw it multiple times and never thought once about picking up a comic book telling them how Andor met K2SO. That reality is shitty for comics and book fans, but the truth is that the canon set up in movies and shows will always matter more. KK isn't going to announce that the canon is broken because of a comic book storyline inconsistency.
I believe the biggest problem with the Star Wars canon is that it really never had boundaries, even when George Lucas himself said the only canon that mattered was the one he specifically had put out there. The reason for that is continuity. It's almost impossible to maintain true continuity when you're talking about such an expansive franchise developed over generations, with dozens of focal characters and hundreds of side characters, and a gazillion finer points, technicalities and specifics regarding everything from ships to droids to worlds to varying species (besides Basic-speaking humans - they're mainly the focal characters), The Force, etc. The writers, directors, producers don't all see the same things, don't all develop stories the same way, develop their own visions for the outcomes of their stories utilizing various paths, and explore their little worlds inside the larger world differently. When each one has his or her own sandbox in which to play, the sand isn't always going to be tossed, kicked, shifted, maneuvered, shoveled, packed or sifted the same way.
Even with a story group as detailed and hardcore as the one with Lucasfilm, some little tidbits are going to become ajar from something that previously may have been put out there, especially within the novels and comics, where a whole different set of editors and production people are overseeing the processes that are extremely lengthy and bearish to work through on a long-term basis. Something's bound to get missed, overshadowed, forgotten or just plain screwed up. Unfortunately, that's a byproduct of the enormity of the franchise and having all the gazillions of stories that can be told within it developed using a plethora of formats. Even with highly focused collaborative efforts, some things are going to get missed or altered a little bit for the sake of the creative process and the goal of that particular element within the franchise. That's just the way these things work.
And, sure ... is it a little frustrating or annoying when something we thought was the way it was is altered a little, or maybe a bit more than a little? Yeah. But we also have to remember that the ones developing the stories reserve the right to make alterations as they see fit, regardless of our feelings or "the way it was," especially if they have a solid reasoning as to why they're doing so. Obviously, that's if they even realize they're doing so. Besides that, these people are really busy. They don't always have the time to go back and extensively review every little nuance of what came before for a certain character, story arc, etc., especially if what previously was put out there occurred within a book or comic. And the truth is, many elements brought forth in a book, comic or video game (and don't forget, some franchise fans don't play video games, or read comics or books) might take way too long to develop within a film or TV series, so it has to either get ignored, axed or slightly redeveloped in some way. Again, that's just the way these things work. It's an unfortunate circumstance of the creative processes generated by many individuals.
Of course, as fans who are buying into all of it, the way we can overcome potential letdowns, disappointments and otherwise negative reactions is to remember this: expecting all those involved to get it or do it right (or the way you believe it to be right) 100% of the time, without alteration at some point or in some manner, is both unrealistic and a recipe for letdown, disappointment and otherwise negative reaction. In other words, this stuff happens - don't let it bring you down too much. If something within the "canon" gets mixed up, altered or flat-out restructured, take it for what it's worth and move on. It's not like you're going to be able to change it, anyway.
Great episode Kristian! I'm liking Bad Batch season 2 so far just for some fun weekly Star Wars. I'm confident they will pull it all together in the final episodes.
Rebels was iffy for me at first but now the season 2 finale holds several of my top 10 favorite Star Wars moments of all time. Can't wait for the Acolyte as well!
I could listen to 3hrs of this show, Kristian. Absolutely love it. Keep up the good work 👍🏻
I'm sticking to the Expanded Universe comics and novels. I respect all materials to be legitimate story-telling mediums of their own, and since these things were meant to be the original official Star Wars continuity made in the George Lucas Era with lots of input from and collaboration with the man himself, it will always be the primary Star Wars canon for me. I'll still check on Disney Star Wars every now and then, but I'll treat it as a rebooted alternate universe that will never reach the depth and details of the EU because of corporate interference, lack of creativity due to the current political atmosphere, and their disregard for their own new canon materials. I've been phasing most of the Disney era and TCW figures out of my six-inch collection and focusing on collecting EU characters, which will help me remove Ahsoka and the sequel trilogy characters from my consciousness, and burn the Expanded Universe deeper into my general conception of the Star Wars mythology whenever I look at my shelf.
My thoughts exactly.
The Unknown Regions are what they need most, a blank canvas. Obi-Wan 2 money talks. Tatooine is a dead-end, no story. So tell Andor arcs of a few key days at other locations. Tell the story of The Emperor and Vader hunting the remaining Jedi and force sensitives, and Obi-Wan at the edges saving a few. Can't redo Obi-Wan v. Vader, but can do Obi-Wan v. Palpatine.
Great Show; always a highlight of the week. Sith Council with the whole crew is the best.
Great show as always! While I agree there is great content in the expanded universe, so much of it is terrible. Personally, besides knights of the old republic I would love to see new lore established in the canon.
lololoololol. Old man Mike! Classic. 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣
"I'll take it down" haha
So we've effectively still got an Extended Universe. I agree with the Council, that it's not a problem, but Lucasfilm has to acknowledge it.
I think I’m with mike on the vibe of skeleton crew not sold on that one yet
Yes, it is too messy. I’m giving Filoni and Favs the benefit of the doubt that at some point the various series, and a new canon trilogy will retcon some of the il-fated sequel trilogy, and anchor a coherent future. So many opportunities were missed with the sequels, and they can’t afford another massive swing and miss. I hope that they are brave enough, and all that is happening now amounts to setting the table to actually swing big, and connect.
Would this be the same Dave Filoni that sees Rian Johnson as a mentor, credits Johnson wirh encouraging him to move into live-action filmmaking, has referenced many of The Last Jedi's visual, thematic, and story elements in his own work, and responded enthusiastically to The Rise of Skywalker's planned story beats in production meetings (as per the official 'Art Of' book)? Or a different Filoni that I'm not aware of? And the same Jon Favreau that spent much of his own series setting up the origins of Snoke, The First Order, and Luke's Jedi Academy? Or a different Favreau that I'm not aware of?
Just because a number of fans have come to see their own idealised fannishness projected onto and reflected back in Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau ('he just gets it!'), that doesn't mean that Filoni and Favreau themselves think like embittered fans. Even leaving aside the notion that any major movie studio would ever scrub a $4.5 billion grossing, two-thirds critically-acclaimed trilogy of films from the record books on vindictive grounds over the hysterical wailings of a tiny minority of entitled fans is so absurd that it's scarcely worth even thinking it.
@@andrewbarnett152 yes, and the same Dave Filoni who’s animated and live action Star Wars work doesn’t resemble Johnson’s work whatsoever.
@@JBlood-gf5pv well there you go then, that's proof positive that what Dave Filoni really wants to do with his career is spend eight years of his creative prime and all his ernergies remaking and retconning a trilogy of movies that someone else has already made, isn't it? Notwithstanding that he's already got at least four other series currently being made under his immediate supervision. Notwithstanding that Filoni has already been at Lucasfilm for eighteen years now working exclusively on Star Wars when his collaborators on Airbender have moved on to making their own original content, and he might reasonably want to move on and do other things in his career.
But retconning other people's movies, that's what he must really want to spend his time doing.
I spent quite a bit of money on the books and while they are really good, they didnt get any pay off in the movies. Bloodline, Catalyst and Lost Stars. All amazing.
I won’t even read Shadow Of The Sith because it’s like retrospectively fixing the bad writing of the movies.
I’m fully invested in Star Wars TV. Hopefully I will be in future movies.
44:01 Lol I already don't take Disney canon seriously considering how exactly Cobb Vanth acquired Boba Fett's armor in the Aftermath novels was changed up in Mando season 2. Or in the Vader comic, the Darth has a wayfinder and journey's to Exogol finding out about Sidious secret Sith Fleet in cold storage; yet in Rise of Skywalker backstory, Luke & Lando were trying to find a way to get to Exogol but never managed to get hold of Vader's wayfinder at his castle on Mustafar. Yet Anakin never bothered to give his son any kind of "sign", or nothing to help him get that wayfinder? Or the color of Kanan's master's lightsaber being changed up, along with how exactly his backstory went regarding order 66 in the comic, and that being changed up for the prologue of Bad Batch.
So really Disney have gone completely back on what they said about how ALL their published Starwars comics, books and video-games would be consistent to all their movies and series. Looks to me like Kathy's Lucasfilm Story Group are useless.
Steph always looks on point so that if you saw her walking around in LA, someone might wonder if she was some celebrity, but then she opens her mouth and the most adorable, down to earth stuff comes tumbling out and you’re just totally charmed by her.
Kaliniowski can be so contentious and firey that there are times I’m saying “you’re wrong, Mike!” “Or right there with you” out loud in front of my screen and its why I think this trio is so fun. Also, Kaliniowski, pretty handsome, himself.
As always, thanks for the show guys!
Love this show, upload to Spotify please 👍👍👍
OK, Kristian: I'll keep tuning in to Bad Batch until Mando 3 premieres if you say that it gets better since you've seen the majority of this season; these last 2 eps have been a struggle!
Huge struggle but there are some good ones coming up.
Im still surprised nobody brought that up, but I‘m fairly curtain that they’ll put the AI that is in that red rolling droid into K-2SO.
I find the Star Wars animation style abysmal. It looks so bad. I feel like its a show made by Funko Pop. What I loved so much about Star Wars Visions was seeing a different animation style. There was some amazing stuff in there but in general Star Wars has the same weak 3D animation style that I just can't get into. Would love to see Star Wars make something at the level of Arcane. I am dying to see DC animation do the same thing which has fallen into the same cheap style for decades.
Got that AG1 Athletic Greens and used the code. Thanks for the discount!
Legend!
Yes, that why it needs a full reboot.
I stopped reading the books and comics partly because I didn't like the high Republic stuff that much, but mostly because the movies and shows made it clear that none of it is really cannon.
I mix the athletic greens into my coffee, its good you should try it.
Please please bring with council to NY !
What if the Sith are what the Jedi were in the Republic in the unknown regions? And the Jedi are the ones who are an underground order?
I did write another comment detailing the biggest messy inconsistencies, I’m truly sorry for anyone who read through that monster ahaha. But in summary most of the messy stuff comes from Fallen Order, Tales of the Jedi, Kenobi, TFA and the Bad Batch and they screw with the other shows, films, comics or books (especially the Ahsoka novel and the Kanan comic run which is disappointing because those 2 in particular are some of the best Star Wars content ever written and the things that contradict it have worse replacement moments or things in them that make less sense)
But I just make my own head canon now and for me the better story in whatever form trumps the other inconsistency. So for example I take the Ahsoka novel over episode 6 of Tales of the Jedi and that along with the Vader comics over Fallen Order. I take the Kanan comic over Bad Batch episode 1. I take Tales of the Jedi episode 4 over the Dooku comics for now and I just don’t bother trying to fit the Kenobi show or ST in my canon haha. Ultimately that’s how George thought of it too though. He said there were 3 pillars of canon, his canon, Lucasfilm’s canon which was the EU and then the fan’s canon. I honestly began subscribing to that last year and take whatever Lucas contributed towards as paramount and fill in the gaps with the stories I love both from Disney and legends. I’m so much happier man let me tell you lmao. I’m no longer upset by screw ups or content that I really dislike as it just never actually happened for me in the Star Wars universe instead now. I truly think this is the way lol
The Old Republic is the perfect place to do what should have been done with the sequels. You have at least a thousand years of open time line to work with. Imagine the possibilities. You can have the Thrawn trilogy just with different names. Goldmune possibilities.
Maybe Andor and KS20 meeting will not be shown in the series at all. There are going to be huge time jumps. They should just skip it and have them working together after a jump!
My gut tells me that this will be a 'touch point' for a future High Republic comic/novel. When annoying/discount Hondo POC-Pirate tells us the glyphs inside the mountain is thousands of years ago and then the big machine/monster comes out, just screams something from the High Republic so this show will just be a "I saw that in a Bad Batch episode!!" moment.
Not bored, just looking at my phone alot lmao...Mike is an Alien lmfao. I've never seen anyone talk in such odd cadence and pacing, sure if himself and then unsure and then more confident than ever about something he shouldn't be b4 stumbling over something he should be sure about but isn't hahahahaha he kills me. God love him
all i think about is the first six films. Also Kristian with the mustache i call Dark Kristian.
Haha nice!
Love love love this show man.
So talking about filler/continuity I'm watching the x files rn I'm on s7 but what I'd does well is the balance of filler/continuity. There's an argument that the fillers are better than continuity but on the other hand you can say the fillers are good because it's sandwiched between the continuity EP therefore they provide a pallet cleanser/fresh story
Looks like I might be free to come out and see you at Flapper’s!
Such a bummer I keep saying this would be a better as a video game. I'm pretty bummed about the lack of development of star wars video games. I'm still playing the great ones from 20 years ago. 🤦
If lucasfilm and Disney do not adapt the Bane trilogy and Plagueis novels into series's with the correct tone, and basically sticking to the pure unrefined Star Wars gold that is right under there noses, and by the way a License to print more cash than they could ever dream of, there literally is no hope.
Can you have Sam Witwer on one day ?
great show as always!
I am not quite sure if I am going to say Bad Batch is not for me (but maybe I should since I wasnt really thinking they should stretch this series out past one season). I am going to skip a bunch of episodes and binge the show in clumps, as the week to week with this format does almost nothing for me. The 3rd episode having rich story, i enjoyed. But have been bored of the other ones. Its Star Wars, so I will root for it to do well. But I would much rather a Tales of the Jedi/Sith like story and structure for SW animation.
Kristian what video do I need to watch to learn about the new facial hair? Love all the content and always leaving a like
Hahah what vid? I mean last week's Sith with Steph is first mention of it and then Roxy on last week's Big Thing but thats really it haha
@@TheKristianHarloff thanks I just needed to know if anyone else said anything about it. Haven’t been able to watch all the content cause of work but the backlog is filled and ready to be watched.
Harloff Minor, Siff Sabraw and ........ Kalinowski Ren?
new cat that has been casted to play Ezra looks tons better than Mena Massoud. not sure on his acting, but he looks pretty great. looks like a slam dunk! just glad they didnt bring in the voice actor of Ezra lol
As far as a Darth Bane series.......YES! make it happen Lucasfilm!!!!
I like Mike but as a parent I find it really inappropriate the language he used, when this show is meant to be for all ages. The dude is a good guy but a little self control wouldn't go a miss. Yourself and Steph have a laugh and know where the line is. It's unprofessional from Mike. I felt disappointed in him here. Other than that thanks for another good episode. Btw all I am hoping is perhaps someone sits with Mike and tells him to cut that out on the show in future. I don't want anyone to post him any hate or target Mike in any way. As I say he is a good guy and usually a great part of the show, and he was other than that poor moment.
Great show today!!
I wouldnt be so sure on not having another Book of Boba season. the current structure of Lucasfilm feels/seems so out of touch on what the fans want. I wouldnt be surprised if we get Book of Boba 2, and Kenobi 2. lol
The answer is don’t do a trilogy. Always keep Star Wars open ended like Marvel is. There is no need to handcuff filmmakers with a false ending when you want to continue the film series. That was the sequel trilogy’s mistake! Announcing that they were ending the Skywalker saga. They should have never said the word trilogy!
Sam witwer as a live action variation clone of starkiller
And ian from shameles playing his live action version
Im unfamiliar with these characters honestly
How could they best be utilized for live action storytelling??
I agree with Steph, Wanda's lines sounds like shes phoning in the script. Personally dont feel her voice fits the character
On the canon conversation, what if they slap a “Legends” badge on all the contradictory materials?
For the record I still prefer the Holiday Special over Disney Star Wars
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This show slaps!!! Siccccckkkkkkkk!
Loved it
If the Filoni Is going towards heir to the empire Ezra can be a new cannon version of Joruus C’baoth aka Darth Abdomen👌🏽
You’re wrong about the Jedi not being able to reveal their information about the Sith, how else do you think Yoda and the jedi council learn about the rule of two?
*too 😜
So the heart of the mountain in bad batch, the way the puzzles were etc, do you feel it's a reference to the Zepho from Jedi: Fallen Order? Mike says it's a reference to the Arkenstone in the hobbit, but could it be connected to Jedi: Fallen Order? The Zepho were referred to the Ancient Ones. In this show they mention the Ancient ones before the Jedi.
I think you missed the connection with jedi fallen order with the zephos