No, to a Vader series. No, to anything centered around a legacy character. Speaking of The Last Jedi, did you notice the look of surprise and shock on Rey’s face when she lifted the boulders? It was because Luke Skywalker gave her a major assist before he passed. Being connected with Luke is how Rey felt Luke’s passing.
Kristian, I totally agree with you about Lucasfilm adapting the books. At Celebration this year, I had a conversation with Claudia and asked her if she ever discussed adapting her work into live action and she told me that they just aren’t in communication with that side of Lucasfilm… which is a damn shame because there are multiple books that would make great TV series/films.
I would looooove a show with Quinlin. To see any flashbacks of Asajj in Dark Deciple would be Amazing! It would also be a cool way to explore the the path from Kenobi and some more of the surviving Jedi.
Another comment, in regards, to what Steph said about, “why villains are interesting to her: I agree-it’s all about developing them properly. When Steph was making this point, all I could think about, was The Kingpin in Netflix’s Daredevil. That had ALL the stuff Steph brought up! We spend time with him, see his day to day, see flashbacks to his childhood. We understand this character at the deepest most fundamental parts of who his is, what he wants, and why he is as evil. It’s so compelling you find yourself almost rooting for this guy! Anyway, ALL of these thoughts, and I’m only halfway through the video! Thank you guys so much for doing this amazing show!
I think you could do bane by showing his past. Making you feel sorry for him with how hard is life is. Then lose that sympathy when he starts murdering people.
@@Thisisgood99 I love that take. But, I don’t know what kind of shift has to happen in our culture-for studios to be more okay with leaving a project with a villain. That’s not just a Star Wars problem-that’s every major studio. But, I’m confident it will happen-maybe inside this decade! I’m worried that they will alter things for the worst but, it will still be cool.
As mush as I love Vader I don’t think he should have a series, I feel like it would take away some of the allure of the character. Vader should be used as a tool and sparingly. You know when Vader shows up shits about to go down and him having a series focused solely on him takes away from what he is imo. Now would I watch it HELL YES.
If you’re a true Star Wars fan, you like why you like, and you don’t like the stuff you dislike and you respect people who like the stuff you dislike because we all see things “from a certain point of view” as Obi-Wan would say. I’ll never understand why some fans are such bullies about liking certain Star Wars films/tv, etc. that they don’t like, I love the discourse that you and Steph and Mike bring to this show. I feel like you guys have created a great space for Star Wars fans on your show, at least for me at any rate. #SithCouncilRules
The reason for the "toxicity" is when someone voices a negative opinion on Disney era Star Wars, they attacked and dismissed as being toxic, and hating everything (despite there being no backlash to TCW S7 and Mando). And then they are further dismissed by lazy arguments tearing down the OT/PT as an excuse. And then there are clickbait, gaslighting and antagonistic videos and articles like; 'why you're wrong about the TLJ' or 'TROS was the fans' fault for wanting fan service' etc. Not to mention the whole gatekeeping with 'a real fan says/does X' LF brought this on themselves, just like in other franchises attacking their fans to dismiss criticism. As soon as they allow a director to insult fans, or insult/label them on social media, they enable frustrated fans to shout at people that don't agree with them.
I have been excited for ANDOR since day one. 5 years before rogue one. Great time period, so much potential. Mon Mothma, Bail, Saw Garrera, K2SO, Palpatine, Krennick, Tarkin..... And Cassian Andor is a great character
I definitely don’t need a Vader series, but there are some interesting things you could do with it. What I think would be cool is a 5-6 non linear episode series. Each episode is a different day/time period in Vader’s life. Show some stuff immediately after revenge of the Sith, some stuff between the events of the Original Trilogy, and some stuff from the books (Lords of the Sith, etc) Show more stuff with Tarkin and the Emperor and even some flashbacks to when he was still Anakin. I think that would be a really enjoyable watch.
In my opinion, I think Qui Gon should of appeared after obi wan has defeated vader, and as Obi Wan thinks about finishing him off... Qui Gon appears to tell him that he still is "the chosen one", will still bring balance to the force etc and that obi wan shouldn't finish him off.
Yeah, but there's no point trying to apply logic to this contrived nonsense. It was all about making Obi-Wan care about Leia, even though the whole idea is irrelevant to the OT.
I think it would be a nice touch if kenobi is done to do a vader show focusing on his rise in power towards ANH but sprinkle in kenobi learning from qui gon , little bit path, maybe revas destiny. Almost like a yang to kenobi's ying and tie up everything beautifully, or call it season 2 i dont mind .
I think him in multiple shows as the bad guy are fine. Not sure about a spinoff of Vader only. I would prefer a Path of the Jedi series with Ewan and Cody picking up where the first season left off, multiple seasons leading to the Maul/Kenobi duel at the end of the last season.
Would love to see a Vader mini-series! Also...think we'll ever get to see The Old Republic era adapted in live-action!? Feels like we've been waiting for that for eons! 😭 I just wanna see Sith and Jedi armies duking it out, I mean...c'mon!
Its interesting that every in live action appearance of Vader, He’s either cutting someone down, Or at least choking them out. Every film and series, with the exception of Return of the Jedi. Aside from toying with Luke during their duel, He doesn’t hurt a single person. Vader is at his most vulnerable and arguably compassionate, shown at several moments to be unsure of himself. With all the movies and books we’ve had of Vader in his prime, I personally think the months between Empire and Jedi are would be the most interesting period to explore. Coming to terms with Luke being alive, Palpatine lying to him, and that he’s wasted 20 years of his life to being a miserable servant. I’d love a series to bridge that gap, showing us Vader in his final days. If it’s possible he did some good deeds offscreen, maybe even communicating with Ahsoka for guidance.
Should there be a Darth Vader series? I say no. He’s a great villain but I can’t help but think he’s very narrow and somewhat of a cliche. I would rather see a Kal Cestis series for sure. Maybe if Vader makes the occasional appearance that could be cool. And personally what I’d like to see most is a series on the Jedi in their prime. Maybe a young Mace Windu series or Old Republic series sounds sick.
@@ThespianPrince13 Reva was not a good start in this direction but I can see the potential there. Take us to Korriban with a sith trained from a young age.
Saw an interview with Taika in Australia where he implied he has barely started writing his Star Wars movie if at all. So there is no way it's coming out December 2023. Definitely coming out 2024.
39 minutes into the video, and I HAD to pause it! Both of you have made such interesting points so far! To Steph, MAN do I feel you on the conversations-I want more! I remember seeing the Owen clip and thinking, “oh good! They’re only showing a little bit of the conversation-there’s so much juice there I bet it’s like a good 5-6 min interaction! Or, that we have many scenes of them going back and forth”-NOPE. 🤦🏽♂️ To Harloff, I feel there’s so much that we could unpack about, saying Disney-when we should say Lucasfilm. For me, this started, after T.L.J. Once it was clear we didn’t have a plan. BEFORE that, I remember Most people were putting ALL the praise and shine on Disney. Disney bought Star Wars! They’re going to put all their resources behind new movies, shows, and merchandise! Disney SAVED ST. (The headlines Never said Lucasfilm.) Even when production info started coming out about ep.7 : “Disney hires JJ”, “Disney hires Larry K”, “Disney is set too…” But, when T.L.J. happened, I couldn’t believe that it wasn’t the same/similar to Marvel! There’s a bigger conversation here, about the way normal people perceive how these companies work, Vs the real of how they operate. My thinking was admittedly simple: Disney, as a parent company, only cares about making as much money as possible-while protecting their brand. Marvel, a company UNDER Disney, has proven that you will make MORE money over a longer period of time if a story starts off small, and continues to build and build through more content. It created investment in the brand, the opportunity to expand, thus make MORE money. Even if the creative wasn’t handled by DISNEY they were the ones, in the end who would have all the metrics, all the numbers, the market data, even people who watch social media to try to gauge what the audience is thinking and saying. (I feel like these are safe assumptions on how a huge conglomerate like Disney would operate.) All that being said, I couldn’t imagine, or understand why they wouldn’t have tried to do the SAME thing with Lucasfilm. Why wasn’t the companies goal forced to line up with Marvel’s goals. I thought the parent studio, and especially the board/CEO, would be passing notes or having meetings, along the lines of: make a shared universe, have crossovers, he’ll even post credit scenes in the same style. Why not!? Hollywood’s whole M.O. is to find something that makes money, and do it again and again until it doesn’t. Also I though it was a safe assumption that a HUGE company like Disney would micromanage every company and project under them, in order to make sure it makes the most money.) ANYWAY, all that to say, after I couldn’t BELIEVE there wasn’t this type of plan or vision or that the company just doesn’t work the way I thought. I started to think: what if Marvel was a fluke. Because that’s how BAD this was. So then if everything that’s good -is not because of them- than by the same token everything everything that’s bad is their fault. (Dealing in absolutes which human reasoning does all the time!) As far as why not say Lucasfilm when things are good. That has to do with the way that company has presented itself for the last ten years: a CEO who seems EXTREMELY out of touch, who has been caught in lie, after lie, all the production problems, all the problems with their public relations, even the WAY they handled announcements in the press. It was all always sloppy, mistake after mistake, L after L. When a company does this for THIS long-everyone perceives them as incompetent which means that anything GOOD that happens or is made is a fluke, or someone else, like one or a few people made it good. In spite of Lucasfilm or Disney. Like with the Mando conversation. The narrative is: “it’s only good because of Jon and Dave BECAUSE the CEO of the company has made nothing but one public mistake after another. But, I also think that, many people try to think about their entertainment in terms of: who’s at the top, as in, which company because a lot of these companies are monopoly now. I know there’s always a bigger fish-if we want to stick with Star Wars here. The internet making much of how these companies supposedly work, public and easy to access. They’re just SO many factors as to why someone might not acknowledge the studio and just put everything on the biggest company in that chain! My overall point is that: because of all of these sociological factors, many people might not even notice they’re saying Disney for all the Bad, and not even Lucasfilm but, individual names inside of the company for the good. It’s one of those, “you didn’t notice it but, your brain did” things.
Thank Sith Council!!! Always appreciate the discussion and insight. I need to watch Obi-Wan Kenobi all over again now that the series is complete. Hope you guys have a great rest of your week!!! 🙂 👍
17:30 It was Tarkin who condemned Alderan to its fate. I know Vader caused a lot of destruction but wouldn't the Empire (and The Emperor in particular) have caused it with or without Vader anyway?? Let's face it - if Obiwan killed Vader there and then, Palps wulda just took another apprentice and the same destruction would've ensued! And as Yoda told Obi - "To defeat this Emporer...strong enough you are not" He just couldnt bring himself to finish his friend on Mustafar and he couldnt do it here. End of the day it was the will of the force, as we all know that Anakin was indeed the chosen one to bring balance.
Vader did NOT destroy Alderran! He actually mocked the Death Star in a prior scene in ANH. Alderran was probably high on the Emperor's hit list all along.
Those of us who weren't at Celebration haven't gotten to see the Ahsoka clip y'all got to see, so I can't have an opinion on that, yet. So right now of what Star Wars has made public from Celebration I am most excited about Andor and then Bad Batch. I find it strange that they haven't now made public the stuff they didn't make public during Celebration, i.e. the Ahsoka clip, the season 3 Mandalorian teaser trailer, etc.
Great show as always. A lot of good points made. I enjoyed the first three elf Kenobi and for me it really fell off a cliff. Generally my issue with this era of Star Wars is putting it simply: too much information. Steph said it, the mystery is or used to be almost sacred in a galaxy far, far away. And I get this is a business investment but and I’ve said this on my own channel but Lucasfilm is stuck in this small box of the OT and they’re afraid to branch out. Starting to at least in the vid game corner of the fan base. KOTOR remake. Star Wars Eclipse. Mandalorian is a step in the right direction but I still believe there needs to be more expansion otherwise it won’t take another “Last Jedi” to divide the fan base. People will leave because they’re bored. And for SW I think that’s just as bad as losing money. Personally I’m going to wait for Ashoka to drop. Outside of that I’ll stick with Fallen Order and other EU content. To me Lucasfilm always takes two steps forward (Mando) and five steps back. And more people will catch onto this pattern unless something changes behind the scenes. ✌️
I like the idea of a Vader movie more. The expectations from fans around anything Vader are so astronomical. IMO a movie would would lead to better cinematic moments, a more concise story, and alleviate some the complaints Kenobi had. Having said that, I would watch the HELL out of a Vader show. Good stuff as always Sith Council.
Really enjoying the content right now! The best part about your conversations is that none of you are afraid to speak your mind. There are way too many shows now that are afraid to piss off the studio or fan base and that got stale for me tbh. Not to say you're too negative, though. Again, really enjoying everything!
The credited writer for the majority episodes of Obi-Wan Kenobi recently mentioned he originally wrote a 3 part story for the big screen. The Disney plus writers used what they liked and stretched it to a 6 part series with lots of fillers. Because of Solo’s questionable box office numbers the brakes were pulled on a Kenobi feature film. Wow! 🤯
This would’ve been an epic movie. I wish they had done this instead of Solo in the first place. I don’t think it would’ve bombed even after TLJ backlash.
This whole episode's energy is Harloff's being triggered by the Disney/Lucasfilm executive creative title; and it subsequently bleeding into every other topic in the show whilst Steph stares awkwardly into space wondering if she dyed her hair green already, and if yesterday is 2morrow yet.... all while somehow collecting her composure holding back the mushrooms power and adding real value to the convo as always lmao I joke i kidd I kidd obv but God damn this episode had the strangest vibe but in the best of ways hahahahaha something about the Webcam remote energy allowing Kristian to rant. Wild lol love it
bummed to hear your thoughts and feelings on Kenobi series, Kristain. I get that it was not perfect, but there were so many great and awesome moments in the series imo! I def respect your opinion a whole bunch though, and was just hoping you found as much joy in it as I did! . I really think that Obi Wan would have been great as a movie. They clearly stretched the story as a show, and fascinating to hear the writer who was originally signed on for the movie say it was meant for a trilogy. as far as a Vader show. Eh, I would watch it, but just really want to go back 1000 and away from current stuff. Though it is fun seeing Hayden back, and I think we get lots more in Kenobi season 2 Can we get an old republic project for f's sake!? lol
@@rhetro777 Thats just your opinion though. I disagree and think there were far far more better moments than anything negative. Just different lenses. Thats okay if you dont like it though.
Sorry, I'm writing out these as I'm watching. They could do a Voss/Reva show where they interact, kind of a dark deciple remake/continuation story. Edit: Below I mentioned Obiwan and Cody...but a Path of the Jedi series with Voss and Reva, where now she is proving over and over her redemption to help other people get into the underground. Awesome show today! This is the most engaging show throughout UA-cam for a little while. Very thought provoking show. Thanks you two!
I don’t want Reva in Andor but they could just kill her off before rogue one. I do see how using her in other material post obiwan could help the characters reputation and turn
Yeah, but something that is totally unrelated to any of the Trilogy characters to prevent further plot holes and paradoxes. . Perhaps something that brings Dr Aphra into the live media.
I don’t want them to do a Vader series unfortunately, while obi wan was being developed (even after the leaks dropped) I was thinking “it’s obi wan, they can’t fuck it up..” having an Obi Wan show that doesn’t absolutely slap literally didn’t seem possible to me.. I have no more faith in Disney now.. if they don’t have enough respect for Star Wars to do kenobi justice they will be willing to hand in a low effort offering for any concept, any character, they are willing to damage any piece of canon and cut corners in their storytelling no matter how important that story is.. they have completely lost my faith, I don’t want them to denigrate Vader, he’s too important of a character.. Andor seems cool mostly because of the writers, they are actual writers with actual accolades and credits under their belt. Anything Dave does I will look forward to, John is on thin ice for me personally after Boba.. Star Wars just has so much potential for amazing storytelling, action, esthetic and themes, if only they would step it up in just about every way we could have groundbreaking entertainment outside of The Mandalorian.. stories focusing more on the jedi vs sith and the lore overall would be so amazing, a jedi journeying around the galaxy getting into altercations with the sith and discovering the esoteric nature of the force and wrestling with the dark side in his or her self.. you could tell multiple stories just based off that premise alone, like a mandalorian esc show but with a force user learning more about the nature of their power and without a young child tagging along lol.
I think the character-focused series ideas are limiting a lot of the creativity in how they can utilize certain characters. Marvel has a legacy of character focused stories. Super-heroes generally have comic books just for them. Star Wars does not need to do that though. So instead of a Vader series, I would propose a "Rise of the Empire" series (call it whatever you want). Showing Vader's emergence, the origins of the Inquisitors, the transition from the Republic Army to the Imperials, the hunt for the Jedi and the start of the propaganda that kept the galaxy under submission. You could go in different directions with that. Maybe all the characters the story follows are Imperials. The Jedi are depicted as traitors and extremists. A show like this would allow justification for MORE Vader but not TOO MUCH Vader (A Darth Vader named series would invite criticism of screen time and storyline focus, as the Kenobi series did despite him dominating the screen time). Alternate Idea: Set it between ANH and The Empire Strikes Back. Explore the ramifications of the destruction of Alderan and the Death Star, the momentum of the rebellion and everything going on during that period without Luke, Leia and Han Solo.
You guys don't see the bigger picture. It is no coincidence that both Marvel and Star Wars are producing such short seasons with shorter runtime for episodes. That's what they are most likely told to do from higher up. This is not Bog Iger era anymore, but Bob Chapek.
I also don’t get why andor a character we’ve met once who im excited to see again sure is getting this care of LOVE unlike any other Disney +show. Maybe loki. But two seasons already without a first season on and 12 episodes…. 12.??? Where was that for other shows so strange
Perhaps Kennedy wanted more money put into a show from a movie she worked on? Probably an ego thing that she wants her version of Star Wars to overshadow the 'legacy' shows.
I’m still waiting for Iden Versio led series , but will be happy with a Vader or Quillian voss series, as A Star Wars fan since I was a little kid I would like to see more of a story’s of moving forward instead of prequel are , I know we have the Mandalorian, Boba Fett I would like to see stuff leading to episode 7 to fill in the gap or the aftermath after episode 9
i didnt like last jedi but i would do anything for more jedi luke stuff. the luke episode of boba fett ive rewatched countless times. would be and could be amazing
We need to find a way ti upload the audio of these to Spotify sooner my dude! This vid has been up for 3hours and there's still no sign of it on Spotify! I want to drive and listen and my UA-cam premium has run out due to some financial hard times atm, so it's tough turning the 144p on and leaving my phonescreen on while driving lol I'm the type that will always come back and check the vid out regardless, for me that's the real experience, however if I've got a 20min drive then it's nice to give ya the views there too my man! Seriously something to consider if there's a way around it. Maybe you upload the video asap tho, so ripping the proper audio and getting it on Spotify is a process that requires it happen hours later than the vid upload 🤷♂️ not sure but either way thanks for the entertainment!
The mistake everyone makes is thinking the show is called Obi Wan Kenobi. That’s the name of the Episode. The name of the how is and always will be Star Wars!
Kristian, you often say “I don’t understand the hesitation or resistance from Lucasfilm to adapt a story from the novels into TV/Film”. And you compare it to the Marvel movies and how they take from the comics when making their live action content. I may be missing a huge part of the argument, but could the reason be that with Star Wars, there is no separation between books, TV, film, and video games in terms of continuity? So when they create new content for live action, they wouldn’t retell or adapt a story from a different medium, because in theory, that story has already occurred and would potentially be a dent to canon? Stay awesome Darth Harloff and the Council!
I don't really use the Marvel example as much as I do Harry Potter. And no one cares about the continuity over there and you could also adapt the stuff that is canon
Having Obi Wan kill a defeated enemy doesn’t work for the character or the Jedi code and you don’t get that amazing conversation without a defeated Vader. That whole flashback sparing scene was about only using force and violence to defend never to defeat. Also having the baddest dude in the universe get rescued doesn’t work in my opinion
Kevin Smith said years ago that he would never be allowed to make a Star Wars movie because no one wants to see a bunch of characters just standing around talking. I think that may not be true now. The main criticism I’ve heard for Obi Wan was not enough dialogue/character development.
Thanks for speaking out against the noxiousness that surrounds the phrase 'not a real fan'. There is no such thing as a 'real fan'. There isn't an entrance exam required to be a fan, nor is it a hierarchical proposition. Whenever I've gone to the theater to see a Star Wars movie, nobody has ever asked to see my fan diploma at the entrance, or checked my fan bona fides on the way in. It's a colossally stupid fallacy to suggest that there's any one fan is worth any more or any less than any other fan, and a phrase that grinds the gears even more than saying that 'nobody asked for' this movie or series, as if moviemakers are supposed to ask for permission before starting work.
It'll be cool to watch, especially if there are some new flashbacks of Anakin and maybe Ashoka or other characters. So why not? I don't understand the mentality of people who just want the universe expanded and not kept with what we know. I mean it's Disney, they have the money to do both, and it's their best bet to keep with what the GENERAL audience are used to, not only what Star Wars audience want. But they're doing a ton of shows with new characters as well, so everyone gets to eat cake lol.
Kinda related to the Reva question, I really feel like O'Shea Jackson Jr. will be back in Andor. Its a big-ish name to cast not to give more screen time. It would fit perfectly in the time-line. Thoughts?
Vader is Star Wars Batman. It really boggles my mind why vader wasn’t one of the first things ever to be green lit show or film. I mean he’s great in force unleashed the comics fallen order rogue one. I mean I really don’t get why a vader project in general has not been announced. Makes no sense. If it was Scott derickson I’d shit bricks too. Just rewatched sinister and really really bummed we never got his dr strange 2 really excited for black phone. Even Emily rose was underrated.
@@famousthaneus9810 the comics you can make those live action. Legends also I’m sure has some things you can take. And it doesn’t hurt to also just make new things we have years of vader we haven’t covered in live action media.
The hesitation is they want to concentrate on characters that are already popular! Obi Wan, Boba Fett, Andor, Ashoka, Lando! They are going to use these shows to introduce new characters!
Since the writer of the original movie script that Kenobi was adapted from has said Reva was his creation and was there from the beginning, has this changed your appreciation for the character at all?
I believe the hesitation with adapting Star Wars books like Lords Of The Sith or Lost Stars is that because they are the same "canon" as the on-screen stories (more or less despite a few changes/retcons) you can barely change anything, which traps the screenwriters and makes things predictable for everyone who already read the book. It's different when the MCU adapts from the comics because the comics are separate canon, so the screenwriters make massive changes and the none of the audience already knows every every plot point ahead of time. Of course this only applies to canon books, not stuff from Legends.
There were a lot of people who bashed Black Widow for being about a character we already saw die. I wonder how they feel about all these SW properties about the same thing lol
Although momoa fits the look of vos i still feel like a native american should play him, the clone wars voice actor would be perfect if the story takes place during or after the Obi-Wan show.
@@TheKristianHarloff The comics alone are worth a conversion, crazy stories in the Vader series. Now how that will translate to live action is a different story. I personally like how they are making more adult live action than kid cartoons like Resistance.
Let’s be honest Star Wars fans will ALWAYS watch Star Wars content. It doesn’t matter how good or bad the last thing was or any debate if they “should” do something or not. It’s a quantity over quality thing and I think Disney knows that.
Not me. I was one of those people until Kenobi. Going forward I'm not watching any new Star Wars show unless it's getting near universal praise. No Bad Batch, no Acolyte, nothing.
Why doesn’t anyone understand that Vader did not destroy Alderaan? Grand Moff TARKIn did at the orders of the Emperor. Vader is simply an Enforcer. He doesn’t make any decisions. In truth had Obi Wan killed Vader he wouldn’t be around to save Luke from the Emperor and bring balance back to the Force. But most importantly it has been established Jedi don’t strike people down in anger or fear because that is the path to the dark side. “It is not the Jedi way”
Yeah we know that he didn't destroy Alderaan, but Empeoror wouldn't have been in the position he was in at that time if Vader was toast. Vader wouldn't have killed as many jedi as he did.
@@TheKristianHarloff The Emperor would have simply found another Aporentice had Vader been killed? Most likely Obi Wan would have turned to the dark side for striking Vader down! The Force had a destiny for Vader. The midichlorians In Obi Wan would not let him kill Vader!
The typical formula of an action TV series is that the bad guy will consistently catch up to the good guy but fail in the end, every time. A Vader spin off will only make him look like Marsellus Wallace.
You bring up an excellent point with the lone cub and wolf narrative and to be frank I’ve been getting tired of this for far too long going back to the first one that really launched this new trope was the video game the last of us, then you have god of war, then mandalorian comes out and those were all fine until bad batch copies and all these other shows and games, it’s just very tiring to see and predictable
No, to a Vader series. No, to anything centered around a legacy character.
Speaking of The Last Jedi, did you notice the look of surprise and shock on Rey’s face when she lifted the boulders?
It was because Luke Skywalker gave her a major assist before he passed. Being connected with Luke is how Rey felt Luke’s passing.
Kristian, I totally agree with you about Lucasfilm adapting the books. At Celebration this year, I had a conversation with Claudia and asked her if she ever discussed adapting her work into live action and she told me that they just aren’t in communication with that side of Lucasfilm… which is a damn shame because there are multiple books that would make great TV series/films.
I would looooove a show with Quinlin. To see any flashbacks of Asajj in Dark Deciple would be Amazing! It would also be a cool way to explore the the path from Kenobi and some more of the surviving Jedi.
Me too!!!
Another comment, in regards, to what Steph said about, “why villains are interesting to her:
I agree-it’s all about developing them properly. When Steph was making this point, all I could think about, was The Kingpin in Netflix’s Daredevil.
That had ALL the stuff Steph brought up! We spend time with him, see his day to day, see flashbacks to his childhood. We understand this character at the deepest most fundamental parts of who his is, what he wants, and why he is as evil. It’s so compelling you find yourself almost rooting for this guy!
Anyway, ALL of these thoughts, and I’m only halfway through the video! Thank you guys so much for doing this amazing show!
I think you could do bane by showing his past. Making you feel sorry for him with how hard is life is. Then lose that sympathy when he starts murdering people.
@@Thisisgood99 I love that take. But, I don’t know what kind of shift has to happen in our culture-for studios to be more okay with leaving a project with a villain.
That’s not just a Star Wars problem-that’s every major studio. But, I’m confident it will happen-maybe inside this decade! I’m worried that they will alter things for the worst but, it will still be cool.
I didnt really WANT a Vader mini series. But, you sold me with Derrickson. THAT is something I NEED now.
As mush as I love Vader I don’t think he should have a series, I feel like it would take away some of the allure of the character. Vader should be used as a tool and sparingly. You know when Vader shows up shits about to go down and him having a series focused solely on him takes away from what he is imo. Now would I watch it HELL YES.
This 👆
If you’re a true Star Wars fan, you like why you like, and you don’t like the stuff you dislike and you respect people who like the stuff you dislike because we all see things “from a certain point of view” as Obi-Wan would say. I’ll never understand why some fans are such bullies about liking certain Star Wars films/tv, etc. that they don’t like, I love the discourse that you and Steph and Mike bring to this show. I feel like you guys have created a great space for Star Wars fans on your show, at least for me at any rate. #SithCouncilRules
The reason for the "toxicity" is when someone voices a negative opinion on Disney era Star Wars, they attacked and dismissed as being toxic, and hating everything (despite there being no backlash to TCW S7 and Mando).
And then they are further dismissed by lazy arguments tearing down the OT/PT as an excuse. And then there are clickbait, gaslighting and antagonistic videos and articles like; 'why you're wrong about the TLJ' or 'TROS was the fans' fault for wanting fan service' etc.
Not to mention the whole gatekeeping with 'a real fan says/does X'
LF brought this on themselves, just like in other franchises attacking their fans to dismiss criticism. As soon as they allow a director to insult fans, or insult/label them on social media, they enable frustrated fans to shout at people that don't agree with them.
I have been excited for ANDOR since day one. 5 years before rogue one. Great time period, so much potential. Mon Mothma, Bail, Saw Garrera, K2SO, Palpatine, Krennick, Tarkin..... And Cassian Andor is a great character
Get me a O Sea Jackson Jr Saw Gerrera spin of show called straight out of the galaxy lol good show you 2 and Steph 🥰
I definitely don’t need a Vader series, but there are some interesting things you could do with it. What I think would be cool is a 5-6 non linear episode series. Each episode is a different day/time period in Vader’s life. Show some stuff immediately after revenge of the Sith, some stuff between the events of the Original Trilogy, and some stuff from the books (Lords of the Sith, etc) Show more stuff with Tarkin and the Emperor and even some flashbacks to when he was still Anakin. I think that would be a really enjoyable watch.
Your pitch reminds me of the Robot Chicken shorts of Vader getting stuck in the toilet, his feud with Jar-Jar, and finding out he is a father haha!
In my opinion, I think Qui Gon should of appeared after obi wan has defeated vader, and as Obi Wan thinks about finishing him off... Qui Gon appears to tell him that he still is "the chosen one", will still bring balance to the force etc and that obi wan shouldn't finish him off.
Never understood this. He kills Palpatine, Mace Windu would have done that already if Anakin didn’t stop him. Then Palpatine came back anyway.
Yeah, but there's no point trying to apply logic to this contrived nonsense. It was all about making Obi-Wan care about Leia, even though the whole idea is irrelevant to the OT.
I think it would be a nice touch if kenobi is done to do a vader show focusing on his rise in power towards ANH but sprinkle in kenobi learning from qui gon , little bit path, maybe revas destiny. Almost like a yang to kenobi's ying and tie up everything beautifully, or call it season 2 i dont mind .
I think him in multiple shows as the bad guy are fine. Not sure about a spinoff of Vader only. I would prefer a Path of the Jedi series with Ewan and Cody picking up where the first season left off, multiple seasons leading to the Maul/Kenobi duel at the end of the last season.
I would be down for a mini series for sure
Would love to see a Vader mini-series! Also...think we'll ever get to see The Old Republic era adapted in live-action!? Feels like we've been waiting for that for eons! 😭
I just wanna see Sith and Jedi armies duking it out, I mean...c'mon!
Its interesting that every in live action appearance of Vader,
He’s either cutting someone down,
Or at least choking them out.
Every film and series, with the exception of Return of the Jedi.
Aside from toying with Luke during their duel,
He doesn’t hurt a single person.
Vader is at his most vulnerable and arguably compassionate, shown at several moments to be unsure of himself.
With all the movies and books we’ve had of Vader in his prime,
I personally think the months between Empire and Jedi are would be the most interesting period to explore.
Coming to terms with Luke being alive, Palpatine lying to him, and that he’s wasted 20 years of his life to being a miserable servant.
I’d love a series to bridge that gap, showing us Vader in his final days.
If it’s possible he did some good deeds offscreen, maybe even communicating with Ahsoka for guidance.
Should there be a Darth Vader series? I say no. He’s a great villain but I can’t help but think he’s very narrow and somewhat of a cliche. I would rather see a Kal Cestis series for sure. Maybe if Vader makes the occasional appearance that could be cool. And personally what I’d like to see most is a series on the Jedi in their prime. Maybe a young Mace Windu series or Old Republic series sounds sick.
@@ThespianPrince13 Reva was not a good start in this direction but I can see the potential there. Take us to Korriban with a sith trained from a young age.
Saw an interview with Taika in Australia where he implied he has barely started writing his Star Wars movie if at all. So there is no way it's coming out December 2023. Definitely coming out 2024.
39 minutes into the video, and I HAD to pause it! Both of you have made such interesting points so far!
To Steph, MAN do I feel you on the conversations-I want more! I remember seeing the Owen clip and thinking, “oh good! They’re only showing a little bit of the conversation-there’s so much juice there I bet it’s like a good 5-6 min interaction! Or, that we have many scenes of them going back and forth”-NOPE. 🤦🏽♂️
To Harloff, I feel there’s so much that we could unpack about, saying Disney-when we should say Lucasfilm.
For me, this started, after T.L.J.
Once it was clear we didn’t have a plan.
BEFORE that, I remember Most people were putting ALL the praise and shine on Disney.
Disney bought Star Wars! They’re going to put all their resources behind new movies, shows, and merchandise!
Disney SAVED ST. (The headlines Never said Lucasfilm.)
Even when production info started coming out about ep.7 : “Disney hires JJ”, “Disney hires Larry K”, “Disney is set too…”
But, when T.L.J. happened, I couldn’t believe that it wasn’t the same/similar to Marvel!
There’s a bigger conversation here, about the way normal people perceive how these companies work, Vs the real of how they operate. My thinking was admittedly simple:
Disney, as a parent company, only cares about making as much money as possible-while protecting their brand.
Marvel, a company UNDER Disney, has proven that you will make MORE money over a longer period of time if a story starts off small, and continues to build and build through more content. It created investment in the brand, the opportunity to expand, thus make MORE money.
Even if the creative wasn’t handled by DISNEY they were the ones, in the end who would have all the metrics, all the numbers, the market data, even people who watch social media to try to gauge what the audience is thinking and saying. (I feel like these are safe assumptions on how a huge conglomerate like Disney would operate.) All that being said, I couldn’t imagine, or understand why they wouldn’t have tried to do the SAME thing with Lucasfilm. Why wasn’t the companies goal forced to line up with Marvel’s goals. I thought the parent studio, and especially the board/CEO, would be passing notes or having meetings, along the lines of: make a shared universe, have crossovers, he’ll even post credit scenes in the same style. Why not!? Hollywood’s whole M.O. is to find something that makes money, and do it again and again until it doesn’t. Also I though it was a safe assumption that a HUGE company like Disney would micromanage every company and project under them, in order to make sure it makes the most money.)
ANYWAY, all that to say, after I couldn’t BELIEVE there wasn’t this type of plan or vision or that the company just doesn’t work the way I thought. I started to think: what if Marvel was a fluke. Because that’s how BAD this was. So then if everything that’s good -is not because of them- than by the same token everything everything that’s bad is their fault. (Dealing in absolutes which human reasoning does all the time!)
As far as why not say Lucasfilm when things are good. That has to do with the way that company has presented itself for the last ten years: a CEO who seems EXTREMELY out of touch, who has been caught in lie, after lie, all the production problems, all the problems with their public relations, even the WAY they handled announcements in the press. It was all always sloppy, mistake after mistake, L after L. When a company does this for THIS long-everyone perceives them as incompetent which means that anything GOOD that happens or is made is a fluke, or someone else, like one or a few people made it good. In spite of Lucasfilm or Disney. Like with the Mando conversation. The narrative is: “it’s only good because of Jon and Dave BECAUSE the CEO of the company has made nothing but one public mistake after another.
But, I also think that, many people try to think about their entertainment in terms of: who’s at the top, as in, which company because a lot of these companies are monopoly now. I know there’s always a bigger fish-if we want to stick with Star Wars here. The internet making much of how these companies supposedly work, public and easy to access. They’re just SO many factors as to why someone might not acknowledge the studio and just put everything on the biggest company in that chain!
My overall point is that: because of all of these sociological factors, many people might not even notice they’re saying Disney for all the Bad, and not even Lucasfilm but, individual names inside of the company for the good.
It’s one of those, “you didn’t notice it but, your brain did” things.
At the end of the day it’s still lucasfilms
@@joefayant8470 I agree! I just thought it was an interesting rabbit hole.
Thank Sith Council!!! Always appreciate the discussion and insight. I need to watch Obi-Wan Kenobi all over again now that the series is complete. Hope you guys have a great rest of your week!!! 🙂 👍
17:30 It was Tarkin who condemned Alderan to its fate. I know Vader caused a lot of destruction but wouldn't the Empire (and The Emperor in particular) have caused it with or without Vader anyway?? Let's face it - if Obiwan killed Vader there and then, Palps wulda just took another apprentice and the same destruction would've ensued! And as Yoda told Obi - "To defeat this Emporer...strong enough you are not"
He just couldnt bring himself to finish his friend on Mustafar and he couldnt do it here. End of the day it was the will of the force, as we all know that Anakin was indeed the chosen one to bring balance.
Steph was on fire today like when she’s confident on her takes
Vader did NOT destroy Alderran! He actually mocked the Death Star in a prior scene in ANH. Alderran was probably high on the Emperor's hit list all along.
Hayden Christensen said somewhere in a interview that he would love to do a Darth Vader spin off series and I just hope that comes true.
This would be cool, they could just follow the comic series.
I heard that too
Actor would like paycheck. 🤷♂️
They should make a Darth Bane series. Very nice books.
The other Inquisitors could have showed up when Vador was down..."forcing" Obi to run away. Would have been that simple.
Those of us who weren't at Celebration haven't gotten to see the Ahsoka clip y'all got to see, so I can't have an opinion on that, yet. So right now of what Star Wars has made public from Celebration I am most excited about Andor and then Bad Batch.
I find it strange that they haven't now made public the stuff they didn't make public during Celebration, i.e. the Ahsoka clip, the season 3 Mandalorian teaser trailer, etc.
Much the same as the Mando in Boba Fett Vader should be featured prominently in Asoka. I like how they move characters from series to series-
Great show as always. A lot of good points made. I enjoyed the first three elf Kenobi and for me it really fell off a cliff. Generally my issue with this era of Star Wars is putting it simply: too much information. Steph said it, the mystery is or used to be almost sacred in a galaxy far, far away. And I get this is a business investment but and I’ve said this on my own channel but Lucasfilm is stuck in this small box of the OT and they’re afraid to branch out. Starting to at least in the vid game corner of the fan base. KOTOR remake. Star Wars Eclipse. Mandalorian is a step in the right direction but I still believe there needs to be more expansion otherwise it won’t take another “Last Jedi” to divide the fan base. People will leave because they’re bored. And for SW I think that’s just as bad as losing money. Personally I’m going to wait for Ashoka to drop. Outside of that I’ll stick with Fallen Order and other EU content. To me Lucasfilm always takes two steps forward (Mando) and five steps back. And more people will catch onto this pattern unless something changes behind the scenes. ✌️
Scott Derrickson would be a beast and he can do Disney because he worked on Strange and that movie is awesome and underrated
If Vader did not give the order to launch TIE fighters before he left the ship, would you launch them in his absence?
I like the idea of a Vader movie more. The expectations from fans around anything Vader are so astronomical. IMO a movie would would lead to better cinematic moments, a more concise story, and alleviate some the complaints Kenobi had. Having said that, I would watch the HELL out of a Vader show. Good stuff as always Sith Council.
I want a "Lost Stars" show so badly!!!!
Only if it includes Doctor Aphra
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kenobi was awesome. I want more.
Nice
Really enjoying the content right now! The best part about your conversations is that none of you are afraid to speak your mind. There are way too many shows now that are afraid to piss off the studio or fan base and that got stale for me tbh. Not to say you're too negative, though. Again, really enjoying everything!
Only if Filoni is writing or directing it.
The credited writer for the majority episodes of Obi-Wan Kenobi recently mentioned he originally wrote a 3 part story for the big screen. The Disney plus writers used what they liked and stretched it to a 6 part series with lots of fillers. Because of Solo’s questionable box office numbers the brakes were pulled on a Kenobi feature film. Wow! 🤯
This would’ve been an epic movie. I wish they had done this instead of Solo in the first place. I don’t think it would’ve bombed even after TLJ backlash.
This whole episode's energy is Harloff's being triggered by the Disney/Lucasfilm executive creative title; and it subsequently bleeding into every other topic in the show whilst Steph stares awkwardly into space wondering if she dyed her hair green already, and if yesterday is 2morrow yet.... all while somehow collecting her composure holding back the mushrooms power and adding real value to the convo as always lmao I joke i kidd I kidd obv but God damn this episode had the strangest vibe but in the best of ways hahahahaha something about the Webcam remote energy allowing Kristian to rant. Wild lol love it
Obi Wan should have been exclusively an Obi Wan/Vader series .... instead it was the Reva story in which Obi Wan and Vader made brief appearances.
bummed to hear your thoughts and feelings on Kenobi series, Kristain. I get that it was not perfect, but there were so many great and awesome moments in the series imo! I def respect your opinion a whole bunch though, and was just hoping you found as much joy in it as I did! . I really think that Obi Wan would have been great as a movie. They clearly stretched the story as a show, and fascinating to hear the writer who was originally signed on for the movie say it was meant for a trilogy.
as far as a Vader show. Eh, I would watch it, but just really want to go back 1000 and away from current stuff. Though it is fun seeing Hayden back, and I think we get lots more in Kenobi season 2
Can we get an old republic project for f's sake!? lol
@@rhetro777 Thats just your opinion though. I disagree and think there were far far more better moments than anything negative. Just different lenses. Thats okay if you dont like it though.
As rogue one was by far the best Disney Star Wars - I’m looking forward to Andor
Disappointed by OB1 story
Welcome Steph aka "Baby Yoda" Sabraw!
A DARTH VADER LIMITED SERIES IS NEEDED. SO MUCH STORY TO TELL
Agreed
Sorry, I'm writing out these as I'm watching.
They could do a Voss/Reva show where they interact, kind of a dark deciple remake/continuation story.
Edit:
Below I mentioned Obiwan and Cody...but a Path of the Jedi series with Voss and Reva, where now she is proving over and over her redemption to help other people get into the underground.
Awesome show today! This is the most engaging show throughout UA-cam for a little while. Very thought provoking show. Thanks you two!
I want a vader spin off but make it right after episode III so we see them taking over the galaxy & vader learning to use his powers of the darkside
I don’t want Reva in Andor but they could just kill her off before rogue one. I do see how using her in other material post obiwan could help the characters reputation and turn
Another great discussion.
Vader didn't choose Alderaan...Tarkin did!
Would love a Darth Revan Movie 👍
Yeah, but something that is totally unrelated to any of the Trilogy characters to prevent further plot holes and paradoxes. . Perhaps something that brings Dr Aphra into the live media.
I don’t want them to do a Vader series unfortunately, while obi wan was being developed (even after the leaks dropped) I was thinking “it’s obi wan, they can’t fuck it up..” having an Obi Wan show that doesn’t absolutely slap literally didn’t seem possible to me.. I have no more faith in Disney now.. if they don’t have enough respect for Star Wars to do kenobi justice they will be willing to hand in a low effort offering for any concept, any character, they are willing to damage any piece of canon and cut corners in their storytelling no matter how important that story is.. they have completely lost my faith, I don’t want them to denigrate Vader, he’s too important of a character.. Andor seems cool mostly because of the writers, they are actual writers with actual accolades and credits under their belt. Anything Dave does I will look forward to, John is on thin ice for me personally after Boba.. Star Wars just has so much potential for amazing storytelling, action, esthetic and themes, if only they would step it up in just about every way we could have groundbreaking entertainment outside of The Mandalorian.. stories focusing more on the jedi vs sith and the lore overall would be so amazing, a jedi journeying around the galaxy getting into altercations with the sith and discovering the esoteric nature of the force and wrestling with the dark side in his or her self.. you could tell multiple stories just based off that premise alone, like a mandalorian esc show but with a force user learning more about the nature of their power and without a young child tagging along lol.
Great episode, you guys should do a rebels rewatch before Ahsoka
Maybe!
Yes!!! There should definitely be a Vader series
Hope so!
I think the character-focused series ideas are limiting a lot of the creativity in how they can utilize certain characters. Marvel has a legacy of character focused stories. Super-heroes generally have comic books just for them. Star Wars does not need to do that though. So instead of a Vader series, I would propose a "Rise of the Empire" series (call it whatever you want). Showing Vader's emergence, the origins of the Inquisitors, the transition from the Republic Army to the Imperials, the hunt for the Jedi and the start of the propaganda that kept the galaxy under submission. You could go in different directions with that. Maybe all the characters the story follows are Imperials. The Jedi are depicted as traitors and extremists. A show like this would allow justification for MORE Vader but not TOO MUCH Vader (A Darth Vader named series would invite criticism of screen time and storyline focus, as the Kenobi series did despite him dominating the screen time).
Alternate Idea: Set it between ANH and The Empire Strikes Back. Explore the ramifications of the destruction of Alderan and the Death Star, the momentum of the rebellion and everything going on during that period without Luke, Leia and Han Solo.
You guys don't see the bigger picture. It is no coincidence that both Marvel and Star Wars are producing such short seasons with shorter runtime for episodes. That's what they are most likely told to do from higher up. This is not Bog Iger era anymore, but Bob Chapek.
Harloff at 28:28 is how I feel too, but with most of star wars right now lol.
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I also don’t get why andor a character we’ve met once who im excited to see again sure is getting this care of LOVE unlike any other Disney +show. Maybe loki. But two seasons already without a first season on and 12 episodes…. 12.??? Where was that for other shows so strange
My guess is that the show will be a launching pad for other characters/spin offs. That's the only way I can make sense of it
@@famousthaneus9810 agreed I mean it looks good I liked the trailer but it’s interesting.
Perhaps Kennedy wanted more money put into a show from a movie she worked on? Probably an ego thing that she wants her version of Star Wars to overshadow the 'legacy' shows.
@@famousthaneus9810 Yeah, that's true. They can puke out content from this era for a long time without running into complications to the OT.
Yes they should do a Vader series 100%.
I think getting away from the Skywalker storyline is the best route.
Thank you for answering my question man my bad for putting disney i meant Lucas film creative
I’m still waiting for Iden Versio led series , but will be happy with a Vader or Quillian voss series, as A Star Wars fan since I was a little kid I would like to see more of a story’s of moving forward instead of prequel are , I know we have the Mandalorian, Boba Fett I would like to see stuff leading to episode 7 to fill in the gap or the aftermath after episode 9
Aw poor steph when she found out ventress was dead
What do we need to learn about Vader that we don't already know? This would be a shallow series.
i didnt like last jedi but i would do anything for more jedi luke stuff. the luke episode of boba fett ive rewatched countless times. would be and could be amazing
Awesome as always.
Thanks!
Damn. This conversation might have been different if they knew about the article that just came out with the original writer of Kenobi
We need to find a way ti upload the audio of these to Spotify sooner my dude! This vid has been up for 3hours and there's still no sign of it on Spotify! I want to drive and listen and my UA-cam premium has run out due to some financial hard times atm, so it's tough turning the 144p on and leaving my phonescreen on while driving lol I'm the type that will always come back and check the vid out regardless, for me that's the real experience, however if I've got a 20min drive then it's
nice to give ya the views there too my man! Seriously something to consider if there's a way around it. Maybe you upload the video asap tho, so ripping the proper audio and getting it on Spotify is a process that requires it happen hours later than the vid upload 🤷♂️ not sure but either way thanks for the entertainment!
When’s a good time to send a question in for the show, do you prefer a Twitter or UA-cam i’m also really looking forward to Andor
Team Steez!
Only if it’s mostly Anakin flashbacks. We need more live action Clone Wars era content.
Agree
A Vader series or movie in the mode of horror would make sense.
Kristian, I agree with 99% of what you say lol, it’s uncanny at this point
I disagree with an earlier comment yes we should definitely get a Vader series and we should hope for more series based on legacy characters
The mistake everyone makes is thinking the show is called Obi Wan Kenobi. That’s the name of the Episode. The name of the how is and always will be Star Wars!
It should have been
Kristian, you often say “I don’t understand the hesitation or resistance from Lucasfilm to adapt a story from the novels into TV/Film”. And you compare it to the Marvel movies and how they take from the comics when making their live action content. I may be missing a huge part of the argument, but could the reason be that with Star Wars, there is no separation between books, TV, film, and video games in terms of continuity? So when they create new content for live action, they wouldn’t retell or adapt a story from a different medium, because in theory, that story has already occurred and would potentially be a dent to canon? Stay awesome Darth Harloff and the Council!
I don't really use the Marvel example as much as I do Harry Potter. And no one cares about the continuity over there and you could also adapt the stuff that is canon
Having Obi Wan kill a defeated enemy doesn’t work for the character or the Jedi code and you don’t get that amazing conversation without a defeated Vader. That whole flashback sparing scene was about only using force and violence to defend never to defeat. Also having the baddest dude in the universe get rescued doesn’t work in my opinion
I want a Vader series by Mike Flanagan
Kevin Smith said years ago that he would never be allowed to make a Star Wars movie because no one wants to see a bunch of characters just standing around talking. I think that may not be true now. The main criticism I’ve heard for Obi Wan was not enough dialogue/character development.
Thanks for speaking out against the noxiousness that surrounds the phrase 'not a real fan'. There is no such thing as a 'real fan'. There isn't an entrance exam required to be a fan, nor is it a hierarchical proposition. Whenever I've gone to the theater to see a Star Wars movie, nobody has ever asked to see my fan diploma at the entrance, or checked my fan bona fides on the way in.
It's a colossally stupid fallacy to suggest that there's any one fan is worth any more or any less than any other fan, and a phrase that grinds the gears even more than saying that 'nobody asked for' this movie or series, as if moviemakers are supposed to ask for permission before starting work.
Thanks Andrew!
It'll be cool to watch, especially if there are some new flashbacks of Anakin and maybe Ashoka or other characters. So why not? I don't understand the mentality of people who just want the universe expanded and not kept with what we know. I mean it's Disney, they have the money to do both, and it's their best bet to keep with what the GENERAL audience are used to, not only what Star Wars audience want. But they're doing a ton of shows with new characters as well, so everyone gets to eat cake lol.
Really not looking forward to a Taika Watiti Star Wars film. Last thing I want to see is a Monty Python SW movie.
Kinda related to the Reva question, I really feel like O'Shea Jackson Jr. will be back in Andor. Its a big-ish name to cast not to give more screen time. It would fit perfectly in the time-line. Thoughts?
Vader is Star Wars Batman. It really boggles my mind why vader wasn’t one of the first things ever to be green lit show or film. I mean he’s great in force unleashed the comics fallen order rogue one. I mean I really don’t get why a vader project in general has not been announced. Makes no sense.
If it was Scott derickson I’d shit bricks too. Just rewatched sinister and really really bummed we never got his dr strange 2 really excited for black phone. Even Emily rose was underrated.
Because they've been filling in the gaps in Vader's stories via comics since 2015. There's next to nothing left to tell about him
@@famousthaneus9810 the comics you can make those live action. Legends also I’m sure has some things you can take. And it doesn’t hurt to also just make new things we have years of vader we haven’t covered in live action media.
The hesitation is they want to concentrate on characters that are already popular! Obi Wan, Boba Fett, Andor, Ashoka, Lando! They are going to use these shows to introduce new characters!
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Since the writer of the original movie script that Kenobi was adapted from has said Reva was his creation and was there from the beginning, has this changed your appreciation for the character at all?
Not really, I think a new character in the spotlight on this movie or show does a disservice to whoever is paying the part.
I want something new. Either set in the distant past or the future of the Star Wars universe.
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I believe the hesitation with adapting Star Wars books like Lords Of The Sith or Lost Stars is that because they are the same "canon" as the on-screen stories (more or less despite a few changes/retcons) you can barely change anything, which traps the screenwriters and makes things predictable for everyone who already read the book. It's different when the MCU adapts from the comics because the comics are separate canon, so the screenwriters make massive changes and the none of the audience already knows every every plot point ahead of time. Of course this only applies to canon books, not stuff from Legends.
There were a lot of people who bashed Black Widow for being about a character we already saw die. I wonder how they feel about all these SW properties about the same thing lol
My dad didn’t watch WandaVision and he was invested
Nice
Although momoa fits the look of vos i still feel like a native american should play him, the clone wars voice actor would be perfect if the story takes place during or after the Obi-Wan show.
Great show
Yes
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@@TheKristianHarloff The comics alone are worth a conversion, crazy stories in the Vader series. Now how that will translate to live action is a different story. I personally like how they are making more adult live action than kid cartoons like Resistance.
Let’s be honest Star Wars fans will ALWAYS watch Star Wars content. It doesn’t matter how good or bad the last thing was or any debate if they “should” do something or not. It’s a quantity over quality thing and I think Disney knows that.
Not me. I was one of those people until Kenobi. Going forward I'm not watching any new Star Wars show unless it's getting near universal praise. No Bad Batch, no Acolyte, nothing.
Why doesn’t anyone understand that Vader did not destroy Alderaan? Grand Moff TARKIn did at the orders of the Emperor. Vader is simply an Enforcer. He doesn’t make any decisions. In truth had Obi Wan killed Vader he wouldn’t be around to save Luke from the Emperor and bring balance back to the Force. But most importantly it has been established Jedi don’t strike people down in anger or fear because that is the path to the dark side. “It is not the Jedi way”
Yeah we know that he didn't destroy Alderaan, but Empeoror wouldn't have been in the position he was in at that time if Vader was toast. Vader wouldn't have killed as many jedi as he did.
@@TheKristianHarloff The Emperor would have simply found another Aporentice had Vader been killed? Most likely Obi Wan would have turned to the dark side for striking Vader down! The Force had a destiny for Vader. The midichlorians In Obi Wan would not let him kill Vader!
The typical formula of an action TV series is that the bad guy will consistently catch up to the good guy but fail in the end, every time.
A Vader spin off will only make him look like Marsellus Wallace.
Force unleashed for the Vader series
You bring up an excellent point with the lone cub and wolf narrative and to be frank I’ve been getting tired of this for far too long going back to the first one that really launched this new trope was the video game the last of us, then you have god of war, then mandalorian comes out and those were all fine until bad batch copies and all these other shows and games, it’s just very tiring to see and predictable
Hmm maybe with flashbacks