I have a TREK POWERFLY FS 5 Im using on cycle tracks here in South Island NZ & done 5000 Ks in 13 months. Thats all , i just wanted to brag a little bit.
I replaced my chain with the original KMC chain that came with my bike. What I didn't realise is that the chain ring was so hooked and worn I got chain pickup or what Chris referred to as chain suck. The chain picks up round the chain ring and jams. I then changed the cassette and chain ring and found the gear changes were really poor and clunky. So I bit the bullet and bought an expensive Shimano Siltec Ebike chain. Wow, what a difference that made, immediately I had super smooth changes. For perspective I am a regular luber, but a bit of a lazy cleaner. I changed the Cassette and chain ring at 2500 miles. However that was the 3rd chain in that mileage. Hope that makes sense.
Im thinking of buying my 1st Ebike, and budgeting £4-£5k. With extensive research over the last two months, whats frighting for any buyer is the lack of authentic, unsponsored information about the quality or lack of it when it comes to aftercare. Additionally, the contrasting information I have had from Tredz, Wiggle, Chain Reaction etc about Bosch or Shimano being brilliant or garbage in equal measure makes it impossible to make an informed decision. I love the channel and would enjoy seeing this covered by you guys, especially the aftercare situation. One of my shortlist is the Decoy from YT but many reviews on aftersales murders them as a choice. Whereas Merida, very strong.
This is too true. My bike came with only sponsored reviews, and I found out too late its not as good as they advertised nor is there useful enduser support. Gotta do way too much research or just go into a shop and have someone 'smart' sell you something
James Goodsell has a 2021 Specialized Levo comp and has a UA-cam channel. Only had it a few weeks and had water inside the charging port. After a wet ride . Also the the bike was cycling on and off without touching the button.
I resent having an extra long chain, 124, though chain packaging has a checkbox for longer versions, no-one I know of sells them in Canada. So users will need to buy two chains initially, to provide extra links on chain chains.
Specialized Levo 2019 S-Works...16 months usage (every single day with 10000kms+), so far my components that replacement were done are : 4 chains(3 brands with 2000kms+3500kms+4000kms), 3 cassettes(2 models at 3000kms+3500kms), 2 tubeless tires(9000kms), 2 derailleur wires, one brake handler(got a guide model and not a match for rsv), 1 chain ring(8500kms, if you ride a lot get a bigger one), 1 brose motor(barely 7500kms on it), one post ring seat, a pair of pedals, a pair of handle bars. Brake pads are certainly overdue (I only brake in emergencies) and a spare derailleur is a plan, plus a spare battery is a good idea accomplished but the seat post wire might die soon on me (i really abuse it) , the carbon frame must be protected at all times or else better have a carbon frame specialist handy (cheaper and faster than a replacement). No matter how careful you are the lifetime of a chain is almost 1/3 of a regular bike and a cassette is almost 1/2 , do not get the aluminum version just go iron/steel or harder/heavier ones!!!
Can you get an e MTB without gears? I don’t know why but I can’t keep a derailer on my bike for more then couple weeks it rips off and costs 1-200$ to fix. No idea why but would love an e bike with no derailer to actually be able to pedal up hill without fear of getting hurt from chain snaps or derailer ripping off.
I have found the low end Sram Eagle derailleurs to be a high wear item , I am on my 3 rd derailleur , they last about the same distance as a rear tyre . Both NX and GX seem to be about the same wear wise . The wear I have experienced is around the pivot pin that screws into the hanger , it gets so sloppy the shifting is impossible to get adjusted right to get all 12 gears .
Sram NX 11 speed 600mls Bin! Swapped to Shimano 11 speed SLX 7000 lasts a bit longer but not great, freehub destroyed so found a steel body made by Swiss for there Specialized wheels ( Roval ) Chains was running 12 speed on my sram 11 speed works great and now running Sram GX 12 speed derailleur on my 11 speed as bent my sram one.
I bought Canyon Neuron:ON 5.0 for 2800 in February. Bike is awesome, but battery was defected - still did not get a replacement from Canyon. Riding it without battery You can also consider Haibike, we bought for my wife hardtail for 1800, not a basic one, I guess there should be full-suspension for
I live in scotland does anyone know the best place to buy a budget priced bike or the best place to go for a second hand bike I'm looking for either a hard tail front sus or a full sus medium size 27 inch wheels thanks
having a nightmare with brake discs , cant find 200mm anywhere so got 203mm but they rubbing tried washers but no luck, anyone know adaptor needed for front and rear on turbo levo ?
I put Shimano Slx brakes on our Levo comps and the larger 220 sram front rotor. Magura and Shimano offer an adapter to accommodate the rotor perfectly.
Drivetrain companies need to take a serious look at ebike drivetrain upgrades. I have a Decoy and frankly the biggest issue I have with this bike is skipping cassettes. Using normal MTB drivetrains on ebikes is not working.
Yeah, when the inaccurate tool* shows 0.75% of chain wear you better go and change your whole bike, BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY! And it will keep our sponsors happy. * It's a known fact that majority of these tools have enough play that you can get various readings. The most accurate ones are the ones made by Shimano. Or just use the vernier calliper
I live in Scotland, so very hilly and wet trails, I only get 200 miles out of my chains and I have tried e bike specific chains with same results. I have a haibike with the ses system, which has the two cogs at the front. Would be interesting to know how much miles other e bike users get out of their chains.
2016 Haibike with yamaha motor, very steep but dry. I have 1100 miles on a KMC e10 chain and a JG Bike cassette, the biggest they make. I try to change the chain once between cassette changes. Mainly I wear out my brake pads.
I’m a waxing convert - 4500km out of my last chain. Previous one around 2000km (normal oil lubing). I ride about 150-200km / week, commuting during week and shredding on weekend. Have de-restricted motor (Yamaha Synchdrive pro, done about 8000km) I solvent clean & wax approximately every 200km. Oil attracts grit, then grit acts as abrasive paste. There’s no way around it - if you want your chain to give decent mileage, then get a very regular cleaning and lube system going. Wipe it down after each ride. Don’t leave dirt on - it will grind in on the next ride. At 4000+ km once my chain is worn, my cassette also needs replacing. Reading this thread, if you can get 4000km from an ebike chain, then your doing well Cheers
Don’t knock this please, just because you’re seasoned bikers. I’m not. I had no idea that I would be replacing my cassette, chain, pads and tyres so soon. When my brake pads wore out it was a complete shock that in 4 months I had covered 1200kms
Bought my first EBike (Merida e160) in February this year and am surprised how quickly I am going through consumable parts ( my last bike was a 2018 Merida 140 non motor ) I get only 400km out of my rear brake pads Shimano BO1S which incidentally is the same pads on my old bike which I could get over 800km out of. The chain which is a 12 speed I get 500km before replacing. The rear Maxxis minion DHR will have to be changed after my next ride at 1200km as the middle knobbies has worn down to being unable to see the horizontal v line on it. I ride in the same area where I rode my previous bike mainly in the Glasshouse mountains just north of Brisbane Australia.
@@thisisabsolutelystup It just starts with a growling noise from the gears in the motor when it heats up. The problem then deteriorates very quickly. The biggest sickener with this is shimano in their wisdom will not supply yeah with replacement parts. Which only leaves yeah with one option, fork out the guts of a grand. I'll be making sure the next ebike I get has a serviceable motor on board.
Bad luck to get such example, from what I've heard Shimano motors are quite reliable. I did over 6000km by now with my Shimano E8000 powered ebike and no issues at all
I agree, but in fairness, nearly all the members of my e-bike group will never check out a traditional bike page or video because they are made to feel unwelcome. This is all news to them.
Giles, actually, they are far, far more reliable even than a car. It is just a simple lithium battery like you depend on in your phone and an electric motor a little lower powered and doing less work, having fewer mechanical connections, than your washing machine.
This is such basic information. Why not add how long the item should be expected to last and a bit more info. You guys are starting to treat your viewers as thick with this basic crap.
Its very difficult to predict how long 'service' items will last - many factor impact the lifetime - style of riding, conditions where you ride - mud, sand, or dust, and quality of the components.
What components do you replace the most? Let us know 👇
Muscle cells? :-D
Can wear out even with a single ride! I'm wondering why.
Just replaced chain, headset bearing, hub bearings at 1800 kms
Brakes.2 months max before replacement needed. 4 piston Shimano
On 3rd chain, 3rd set of brake pads, 2nd set of tires, 2nd motor, and 2nd cassette in about 4500 km of riding my Turbo Levo.
The motor if you have a levo!😀
Cassette, brakepads, tyres, chain, chainring. Who would have thought 🙈. You're welcome 🤗
I have a TREK POWERFLY FS 5 Im using on cycle tracks here in South Island NZ & done 5000 Ks in 13 months. Thats all , i just wanted to brag a little bit.
Before watching the video I predict:
1. Cassette
2. Chain
3. Chain ring
4. Brake pads
5. Tires
I’ll edit if I’m wrong
Burning out cassette before tires ??? Wtf I’m going to sell my e bike asap....
I replaced my chain with the original KMC chain that came with my bike. What I didn't realise is that the chain ring was so hooked and worn I got chain pickup or what Chris referred to as chain suck. The chain picks up round the chain ring and jams. I then changed the cassette and chain ring and found the gear changes were really poor and clunky. So I bit the bullet and bought an expensive Shimano Siltec Ebike chain. Wow, what a difference that made, immediately I had super smooth changes. For perspective I am a regular luber, but a bit of a lazy cleaner. I changed the Cassette and chain ring at 2500 miles. However that was the 3rd chain in that mileage. Hope that makes sense.
So the Shimano siltec chain worked well on the new KMC sprockets or did you change sprockets too.
Im thinking of buying my 1st Ebike, and budgeting £4-£5k. With extensive research over the last two months, whats frighting for any buyer is the lack of authentic, unsponsored information about the quality or lack of it when it comes to aftercare. Additionally, the contrasting information I have had from Tredz, Wiggle, Chain Reaction etc about Bosch or Shimano being brilliant or garbage in equal measure makes it impossible to make an informed decision. I love the channel and would enjoy seeing this covered by you guys, especially the aftercare situation. One of my shortlist is the Decoy from YT but many reviews on aftersales murders them as a choice. Whereas Merida, very strong.
This is too true.
My bike came with only sponsored reviews, and I found out too late its not as good as they advertised nor is there useful enduser support.
Gotta do way too much research or just go into a shop and have someone 'smart' sell you something
What a top video, real explanations that make sense thank you so much!!
5th month on my m1 spitzing 4300km driven and changed 3rd chain 2kassettes and 5 times the little 11th pinion and 2nd pads on it already!
that's so ecofriendly!
James Goodsell has a 2021 Specialized Levo comp and has a UA-cam channel.
Only had it a few weeks and had water inside the charging port. After a wet ride . Also the the bike was cycling on and off without touching the button.
Great video mate 👍👍 got my first e bike yesterday.. a lot to learn
Miles and Smiles! 😁
I resent having an extra long chain, 124, though chain packaging has a checkbox for longer versions, no-one I know of sells them in Canada. So users will need to buy two chains initially, to provide extra links on chain chains.
What is this Chain-checker? Do you have a link?
Specialized Levo 2019 S-Works...16 months usage (every single day with 10000kms+), so far my components that replacement were done are : 4 chains(3 brands with 2000kms+3500kms+4000kms), 3 cassettes(2 models at 3000kms+3500kms), 2 tubeless tires(9000kms), 2 derailleur wires, one brake handler(got a guide model and not a match for rsv), 1 chain ring(8500kms, if you ride a lot get a bigger one), 1 brose motor(barely 7500kms on it), one post ring seat, a pair of pedals, a pair of handle bars. Brake pads are certainly overdue (I only brake in emergencies) and a spare derailleur is a plan, plus a spare battery is a good idea accomplished but the seat post wire might die soon on me (i really abuse it) , the carbon frame must be protected at all times or else better have a carbon frame specialist handy (cheaper and faster than a replacement). No matter how careful you are the lifetime of a chain is almost 1/3 of a regular bike and a cassette is almost 1/2 , do not get the aluminum version just go iron/steel or harder/heavier ones!!!
Very impressive stats!
How do you brake only in emergencies? I find myself constantly sitting on the brakes when going downhill
Can you get an e MTB without gears? I don’t know why but I can’t keep a derailer on my bike for more then couple weeks it rips off and costs 1-200$ to fix. No idea why but would love an e bike with no derailer to actually be able to pedal up hill without fear of getting hurt from chain snaps or derailer ripping off.
I have found the low end Sram Eagle derailleurs to be a high wear item , I am on my 3 rd derailleur , they last about the same distance as a rear tyre . Both NX and GX seem to be about the same wear wise . The wear I have experienced is around the pivot pin that screws into the hanger , it gets so sloppy the shifting is impossible to get adjusted right to get all 12 gears .
Aren't nx only for 11 speed or less?
@@HeathenRides Nope, there is a 12 speed NX groupset and even a new SX groupset, made of plastic!
Hi, do you really ever use the 52??
Sram NX 11 speed 600mls Bin! Swapped to Shimano 11 speed SLX 7000 lasts a bit longer but not great, freehub destroyed so found a steel body made by Swiss for there Specialized wheels ( Roval ) Chains was running 12 speed on my sram 11 speed works great and now running Sram GX 12 speed derailleur on my 11 speed as bent my sram one.
Many Thanks for this very informative video :-)
grips !
Add a bearings kit,motor rebuild,especially if it’s a plastic fly on motor.
How do you carry your 750wh spare battery.?
Rotor even do a 13 speed cassette. You do need to use their hydraulic shifter and cassette. It does still use a 12 chain.
Do you know full suspension e bike for under 3000€ in somewhere Europe?
I just got a Haibike Sduro lt 2.0 for around that price point including tax
Decathlon
I bought Canyon Neuron:ON 5.0 for 2800 in February. Bike is awesome, but battery was defected - still did not get a replacement from Canyon. Riding it without battery
You can also consider Haibike, we bought for my wife hardtail for 1800, not a basic one, I guess there should be full-suspension for
Radon
Ukkeli00 try the Cube Stereo Hybrid 120 range with 500 Wh battery. If I remember correctly they had a couple of models around €3.000
Less gears means wider stronger chain ... try a 7s I run 9s they last much longer
So, the same as any other bike then? got it!
Tried to watch your other on changing the parts, wont let me any ideas cheers
Chain !
Is there a kit out there that has all these tools?
Almost, the chain whip isn't on any tools I seen, but top peak makes tools with almost every thing you need
I live in scotland does anyone know the best place to buy a budget priced bike or the best place to go for a second hand bike I'm looking for either a hard tail front sus or a full sus medium size 27 inch wheels thanks
Second hand bikes from bike fanatic owners: Pinkbike
Second hand cheap bikes from random owners: gumtree / facebook marketplace
Your LBS/Chain Reaction Cycles/Merlin Cycles.
@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ thanks
@@xx-----------xx873 thanks
having a nightmare with brake discs , cant find 200mm anywhere so got 203mm but they rubbing tried washers but no luck, anyone know adaptor needed for front and rear on turbo levo ?
@@photostore thx found them , why they went to 203 is beyond me whats 3mm gonna do.
I put Shimano Slx brakes on our Levo comps and the larger 220 sram front rotor. Magura and Shimano offer an adapter to accommodate the rotor perfectly.
Just on my 3rd Bosch motor in 2 years on my trek power fly 9.7 LT
Jesus! What's been going wrong with them?
The shimano ain't much better.
My 625wh Bosch battery died after 2 months. Took 6 weeks to replace. Their quality is just crap!
Metallic pads seem to last a long time
Drivetrain companies need to take a serious look at ebike drivetrain upgrades. I have a Decoy and frankly the biggest issue I have with this bike is skipping cassettes. Using normal MTB drivetrains on ebikes is not working.
Yeah, when the inaccurate tool* shows 0.75% of chain wear you better go and change your whole bike, BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY! And it will keep our sponsors happy.
* It's a known fact that majority of these tools have enough play that you can get various readings. The most accurate ones are the ones made by Shimano. Or just use the vernier calliper
Sounds like an absolute money pit, back in the day we only needed to repair a puncture...
I live in Scotland, so very hilly and wet trails, I only get 200 miles out of my chains and I have tried e bike specific chains with same results. I have a haibike with the ses system, which has the two cogs at the front. Would be interesting to know how much miles other e bike users get out of their chains.
You should have bought an ebike with a gates belt drive. Those things will save you $1000s in replacement chains, cassettes and lube.
2016 Haibike with yamaha motor, very steep but dry. I have 1100 miles on a KMC e10 chain and a JG Bike cassette, the biggest they make. I try to change the chain once between cassette changes. Mainly I wear out my brake pads.
I’m a waxing convert - 4500km out of my last chain. Previous one around 2000km (normal oil lubing). I ride about 150-200km / week, commuting during week and shredding on weekend. Have de-restricted motor (Yamaha Synchdrive pro, done about 8000km)
I solvent clean & wax approximately every 200km.
Oil attracts grit, then grit acts as abrasive paste.
There’s no way around it - if you want your chain to give decent mileage, then get a very regular cleaning and lube system going. Wipe it down after each ride. Don’t leave dirt on - it will grind in on the next ride. At 4000+ km once my chain is worn, my cassette also needs replacing.
Reading this thread, if you can get 4000km from an ebike chain, then your doing well
Cheers
@@davidh5940 that's a really good lifespan however it sounds like even more time keeping a chain maintained
I degrease my chain about every 50 miles and change the chain when it gets to 0.5 wear. Its 11 speed.
High maintenance costs are the dirty little secret of emtbs. Makes my car seem cheap.
Don’t knock this please, just because you’re seasoned bikers. I’m not. I had no idea that I would be replacing my cassette, chain, pads and tyres so soon. When my brake pads wore out it was a complete shock that in 4 months I had covered 1200kms
Bought my first EBike (Merida e160) in February this year and am surprised how quickly I am going through consumable parts ( my last bike was a 2018 Merida 140 non motor ) I get only 400km out of my rear brake pads Shimano BO1S which incidentally is the same pads on my old bike which I could get over 800km out of. The chain which is a 12 speed I get 500km before replacing. The rear Maxxis minion DHR will have to be changed after my next ride at 1200km as the middle knobbies has worn down to being unable to see the horizontal v line on it. I ride in the same area where I rode my previous bike mainly in the Glasshouse mountains just north of Brisbane Australia.
The shimano steps motor after only 3500km. Because it's not serviceable.
Yep and as soon as the motor becomes obsolete and the company no longer makes them the bike is then the next thing to be thrown away
10 times less miles when Brose motor decides the same.
Ouch what went wrong?
@@thisisabsolutelystup It just starts with a growling noise from the gears in the motor when it heats up. The problem then deteriorates very quickly. The biggest sickener with this is shimano in their wisdom will not supply yeah with replacement parts. Which only leaves yeah with one option, fork out the guts of a grand. I'll be making sure the next ebike I get has a serviceable motor on board.
Bad luck to get such example, from what I've heard Shimano motors are quite reliable. I did over 6000km by now with my Shimano E8000 powered ebike and no issues at all
I have a ebike without a cassette and a chain. I suppose not every ebike has them.
belt drive?
@@Burn377 It sure is! Its so much better than a chain!
@@MatthewBayard Nice! I've been putting in some research lately. Will definitely go that route on my next build.
Footpegs and a throttle? Fun, but you may get sniffed at.
Edit: didn't see the belt drive thing right below ;/
Aluminium, never heard of it.
every one of his bikes is the same but different color lol
(Turbo Levo SL The same one that I have)
My cassette goes to 11
Gwed
I think you’re reaching with this video. All things you’d need to replace on any bike under heavy use.
I agree, but in fairness, nearly all the members of my e-bike group will never check out a traditional bike page or video because they are made to feel unwelcome. This is all news to them.
@@MHH3180 They missed the last, most replaced (according to the internet) component: the motor and battery.
Giles, actually, they are far, far more reliable even than a car. It is just a simple lithium battery like you depend on in your phone and an electric motor a little lower powered and doing less work, having fewer mechanical connections, than your washing machine.
two freehubs, another two hub bodies for stripped out ring gears, not to mention wheel rebuilds, ugg.
👍🚴♂️
Is it an electric bike, or an electric mountain?
How about "mountain E-bike".
EMTB - Electric Mountain Bike
Red Alert IMO an electric mountain would be a great power source. If you find one make sure to plug-in your electric mountain bike on it 😆
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They are sprockets, not cogs.
This is such basic information. Why not add how long the item should be expected to last and a bit more info. You guys are starting to treat your viewers as thick with this basic crap.
Its very difficult to predict how long 'service' items will last - many factor impact the lifetime - style of riding, conditions where you ride - mud, sand, or dust, and quality of the components.
More concerned with the parts than make it an e bike than the traditional things. Thank you for stealing 15 minutes I could have used elsewhere.
so the things you'd have to replace on a normal bike too? lmfao................ ffs
Chain !