“If you live”. I love this scene, Natley has his first inkling that he may not actually survive the war. This is my favourite book of all time. I re read it every few years. I find something new every time. That’s some catch, that catch 22. I keeps me sane.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that. First read it when I was 16 and now I'm middle aged. It never ceases to be applicable to whatever madness is currently going on.
The old man's "philosophy" reminds me of my former bf. The old man dies suddenly too but he still was around longer than Nately, One of my favorite films of all time.
A shining moment for character actor Marcel Dalio as the old man! He was also in 'To Have and Have Not' (1944) 'Gentlemen Prefer Blondes' (1953) and has a rare starring role in 'The Mad Adventures of Rabbi Jacob' (1975), a little-known but extremely funny film. He was 70 when he acted in 'Catch-22' and continued acting right until his death in 1983.
Marcel Dalio played Emil the croupier in Warner Bros. 1942 film 'Casablanca'. He's wonderful when Claude Rains as Captain Renault closes down Rick Blaine's Cafe Americain using the pretext, "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!", then Emil approaches Renault and hands him his usual bribe money saying, "Your winnings sir.", while Humphrey Bogart as Rick gives Emile a flabbergasted look. Immortal scene.
The dialog in the book is better. From memory, something like, "The American fighting man is second to none," while, "The Italian fighting man is second to all." The book is a classic. I lost track of how many times I've read it. The movie, sadly, is a big let-down. I think the makers missed the point completely.
I have to say i disagree, whilst the book is obviously better, I think the film still manages to capture to central themes of the book and convey the disorientating chaos of the book even though it does leave out a lot of side characters and storylines. Especially when compared to the minisires which completely botched the ending and moved crucial plot points around undermining their importance, likewise missing major character arcs, like Milos descent into fascism, entirely. The book is absolutely a masterpiece though
@@reubenleal7098 / The movie certainly has its high points, but it suffers as all movies must from time limitations and ruthless editing. I guess it was always too much to ask to see a statue of Milo in the darkest center of Africa, stained with human blood. Brilliant that.
This scene can be looked one of two ways. When you're young, the old man might seem like a turncoat devoid of any morals, virtue or values. Just a cynical completely selfish person. When you're older, the old man might seem like he's experienced, smart and a survivor. He understands wars will come and go, leaders will come and go, regimes will change. And that at the core of it all is just human desire to dominate others, to satisfy our ego, etc. Very seldom is any fight about something else than somehow wanting to fuel your own ambition and ego. And those hungry for power and pushing for power ultimately all fall down one way or another. And what's left are the ordinary people, normal people. So if you're more experienced, you know it's best to just pick the side that ensures you yourself get the most out of it, anything else is just a waste of time.
@@sprezzatura8755 More accurately pragmatism and idealism. Nately is fighting for his ideals, the Old Man is just doing whatever works to keep him alive.
@@redryan20000 old men are pragmatic, young men are idealistic. The latter is necessary to build great things, the former is necessary to keep them running smooth.
The old man has it right. Better to live on your feet than die on your knees, which is so obviously what we Conservatives and Libertarians prefer, while the poor deluded SJWs think that living on your knees is JUST FINE. And accuse anyone who feels independent thoughts and words and ways of living is better than kowtowing to any state of being racist. In California we have decided to live on our knees and avoid kneeling in human feces. I am surrounded by soft-headed Liberals indoctrinated by the State. Wearing a red baseball cap is a really risky business.
@@paulaharrisbaca4851 Yet...you so-called Cons and Libertarians bow to the corporate STATISTS...the right-wing central planners that rule your world and fund the creeps that bamboozle you...like Fox and Limbaugh...where you get all your "info".
@@toncuz8291 it looks like your side decided to put everyone on their knees with censorship. Trying to close all roads so that only the one with the toll remains. How fitting that in times of relative peace the left side turns totalitarian...
The saying of "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" is a saying from a woman called "La Passionaria in the Spanish Civil War. She fought on The LOyalist side against Franco's Fascists. Catch 22 was written in 1962 I beleive. It is really critical of the 1950 's McCarthy Era and the opportinism of many Politicians like the old Italian Man
One of my favourite scenes in the film. Yes,Nately dies before he reaches 20...and yes, the America of 1944 is long gone as well. All that man creates, all the ideals he is brainwashed into believing as a reason for killing others, is vanity...and he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
Once you live through a totalitarian system where all your choices are meaningless you will understand how precious and worthy ideals like freedom, democracy and peace are. People get very complacent in only one generation or two. But when the hammer finally falls, you will know why some things are worth fighting for and why the only option is to fight. Look at the US right now and tell me if those people took the high road and left all those marauders to step over them. Those ideals of pacifism can only be written and experimented on only in countries that have peace and freedom guaranteed already.
@@joebombero1 And their youth flees to other EU countries just like their ancestors left to Argentina, the US, Canada, Australia etc because they can't make a life in Italy.
How do we, Canada, America, well, the rest of the world, not benefiting from the war on The Ukraine- how do we of all spiritual paths, STOP PUTIN...Namaste from a concerned person
@@julianmarco4185 once you stop spouting your bullshit and sniffing your own farts you realize that all your stupid ideas are mere dollar store rehashes of much older ideas. Greece was destroyed, Rome was destroyed, Spain was destroyed... You're still correct, my comment applies more to the many idiots that will read these comments long from now thinking they know it all, have seen it all, maybe even while witnessing the final breaths of this fake "pacifist" world order.
Knowing lines never made Art an actor. This film went way over shooting time and Simon waited 4-5 months to complete the Bridge Over Troubled Water album. Art had signed on for another film without letting Simon know which was more wait time for an acting career that was never on and went nowhere. With so many musical ideas to explore it’s no wonder Simon ditched him finally exasperated and frustrated.
I recall the Mad magazine satire of this scene- it went something like this: I am confused Because I speak in paradoxes? No, because you have a French accent.
Yes Mad magazine! Half the movies from the late 1960’s early seventies I know only from the Mad Satires! Is Paris burning? Movie Hitler calls- “ is Paris Burning??” No but the people who paid 4 dollars for this movie there are burning!
in all fairness I knew this dialogue was in survivor guilt HOWEVER I only found out it was this movie by looking up the catch-22 paradox "needing something that can only be obtained by not needing it" which in terms led me to look into this movie to see if it it followed that which in turn led me to clicking on this movies usage in pop culture which led to me finding out what movie the audio was from
@@Charliecomet82 it took me over a decade, and I don’t know why I didn’t google what the sample between now and when I first heard the song, but I’m glad I finally have this closure
Some of the Empires that have existed throughout history, Akkadian Empire, Mongol Empire, Persian Empire, Han Dynasty, Umayyad Caliphate, Ottoman Empire, Roman Empire, Spanish Empire, Russian Empire, British Empire, French Empire.
i LOVE this scene in One if not the Greatest tales of and from the 20th Century I cannot see Clooney and all his Pacific Hulu crowd improving on it anytime soon. Tonight we are gonna fight, fight, fight like it is 22, 2222, all over again lets go Bow to Back into the Evermore
As if a 19-year-old could ever be expected to hold his own in a philosophical dispute with a still-lucid 107-year old..... And yet the old man's arguments are not as hardy as he is. So Italy has won because it has survived - Rome fell, but there are still Italians. But the only alternative to that would be an empty peninsula with nothing of human life in it at all, which is impossible, of course. So what is the old man really boasting about? Some day the United States government will be gone too, as he points out; but somebody will still be living in the American land space, and they will still be Americans by definition; so I guess that it would only be at that point that the old man would raise America to the same victorious status as Italy...... One response Nately could have made, and probably would have made, if he had survived his callow stage and made it to about the age of 30, is this: "I am only here, in your country, because of your failure. And if I don't reach 20 next year, that will be your moral fault as much as anybody else's."
Question is, will it be a slow limping collapse like the Byzantine Empire, collapse into chaos and ruin like Rome, conquered like Egypt, or just lose status and colonies like Britain. Personally, I am really hoping for the last one; but more and more it looks like we’ll end up like Rome. The masses entertained by bread and games, decadent rulers control everything, and we’re invaded and sacked by Raiders we probably armed and trained at some point in history.
It doesn't matter how long you stay alive or when you die but what you lived and died for. So if someone made you choose between the life of you or your kid or someone you love, do you choose to live then. Resulting in their death. If I told you that you have to spend the rest of your days in agonizing pain, would you wanna live then? In certain circles death can be salvation. Look at so many before us. The people who died so that we can watch movies, and make memories with each other and enjoy life.
KYLE REESE An interesting conundrum. I can't answer the first part of your question honestly (no kids), however to the second question I offer this, suffering is momentary. It will pass. Death is permanent. I would rather live with momentary pain, than be dead forever.
Death is momentarily. There is no end to us. We will all live forever. We are beings of energy and energy cannot be destroyed. Life must go. I feel as though this video teaches survival through conformity but that will only last so long. If we truly wish to survive, we will at some point have to fight.
The people who died for me? Bullocks! No one dies for anyone. War is bussiness and ideals are just ideals. People go to wars because they lack a proper job or are dreaming too loud on all the ideals about freedom, democracy and the sort... But those things don't exist. They are just ideals made us to give life incentives. Real warriors go to war because it's entertaining to kill, not to save anyone's ass, because it's a risky adventure. We are wrongly been told that wars are made for make other people happy. Biggest lie ever told.
I agree that there are some things that define you as a person, and losing them could be worse than death. I would sacrifice myself for the people I really love and care about, but not for nationalism. Don't confuse what's important to you. If a war started in my country, I would flee and do everything in my power to take my loved ones with me. And for the last part of your speech, I would sacrifice any number of strangers to save myself or a friend. And so does 99% of the population. And we actually prove it daily, when we buy a new car, new clothes, or just a cup of coffee, we could instead give it to people that end up dying because of poor living conditions. We could always do more to help. But we all draw a line where our commodities are more important than the lives of others.
@@LoudaroundLincoln unified Italy and unified Germany are mere political bodies, and yes in that regard they are young, but in the truest sense of the word nation both are much older than the US, and both will probably endure longer than the US before great transformation changes the face of them all entirely.
Tom get your plane right on time, I know your part will go fine, fly down to Mexico ……the only living boy in New York City. Art was Tom from Tom & Jerry, Simon and Garfunkel’s original name, Art was flying down to Mexico to act in Catch-22.
No, they're all still there too. Not many real population replacements actually happened in history if you want to get technical genetic studies are proof that European populations remain largely unchanged since before writing existed. The plurality of ethnicities in Europe is not as diverse among its own group as it is regarding outsider groups. This means that all the great nations of the past, though all passed away in glory and faded into irrelevance on the world stage, still exist in a dormant state in the living descendants of the men who built those nations up. Spain is gone but the Spanish remain, Greece is gone but the Greek remain, Rome is gone but the Romans remain...
Why would you put up a fight if you were poorly equipped, possibly without enough munitions in many cases? For all the times they surrendered easily, they also gave you dogs the fights of your lives.
The great film critic Pauline Kael found this scene to be one of the most morally repugnant in all of filmdom. Was she right? The old man certainly has an unusual view of what is, or is not, "moral," yet in comparison with Nately he nevertheless also and ironically seems the wiser.
physical looks can be quite deceiving my man. Besides, the brothel owner is the type who slips through life without being caught in the crossfire-and as such isn't as worn by stress as the rest of his generation.
Because I know...How do you know? because im a 107 years old, how old are you? ill be 20 in january...if you live. If only Americans and others who covet the gun understood this we would all be better off
I have wondered what this Italian means to the movie. I believe that he represents the defeatism argument of countries who get conquered and liberated by the Americans. To them it feels like nothing changes. But this arguement can only come from a writer who only judges history in a satire without knowing real history. Once Italy became fascist, the royalty was removed from power and after the fall of fascism, democracy was actually instated in the country and a period of development like no other started in the country. It can be said that countries that are liberated by America do change for the better but the change happens slowly and can't be forced. So while the satire writer of the book is clever. He isn't right about history.
Remember what Groucho Mark said, "These are my principles and if you don't like them, I have others." Reminds me of the old man.
Now that's what I call humour!
“If you live”. I love this scene, Natley has his first inkling that he may not actually survive the war. This is my favourite book of all time. I re read it every few years. I find something new every time. That’s some catch, that catch 22. I keeps me sane.
It's the best there is.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who does that. First read it when I was 16 and now I'm middle aged. It never ceases to be applicable to whatever madness is currently going on.
@@versioncity1 currently re-reading it myself. So many gems of wisdom that I regret not being able to retain it all.
"I'll be 20 in January."
"If you live."
Bloody good acting, great casting to put a babyface in the role.
That baby was Art Garfunkel!
@@ROLtheWolf I garfunkeled your mother
@@ROLtheWolf And he's doing a great job!
"We will certainly come out on top again if we succeed in being defeated!"
"You talk like a madman!" "But I live like a sane one."
The old man's "philosophy" reminds me of my former bf. The old man dies suddenly too but he still was around longer than Nately, One of my favorite films of all time.
right beside 'little big man'.
A shining moment for character actor Marcel Dalio as the old man! He was also in 'To Have and Have Not' (1944) 'Gentlemen Prefer Blondes' (1953) and has a rare starring role in 'The Mad Adventures of Rabbi Jacob' (1975), a little-known but extremely funny film. He was 70 when he acted in 'Catch-22' and continued acting right until his death in 1983.
He's glorious.
thanks
I'll have to check that out. (the Rabbi Jacob film).
Marcel Dalio played Emil the croupier in Warner Bros. 1942 film 'Casablanca'. He's wonderful when Claude Rains as Captain Renault closes down Rick Blaine's Cafe Americain using the pretext, "I am shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!", then Emil approaches Renault and hands him his usual bribe money saying, "Your winnings sir.", while Humphrey Bogart as Rick gives Emile a flabbergasted look. Immortal scene.
And he has to play it against such a terrible "actor".
Just a taste of the wickedly brilliant dialogue in the book.
The dialog in the book is better. From memory, something like, "The American fighting man is second to none," while, "The Italian fighting man is second to all." The book is a classic. I lost track of how many times I've read it. The movie, sadly, is a big let-down. I think the makers missed the point completely.
I have to say i disagree, whilst the book is obviously better, I think the film still manages to capture to central themes of the book and convey the disorientating chaos of the book even though it does leave out a lot of side characters and storylines. Especially when compared to the minisires which completely botched the ending and moved crucial plot points around undermining their importance, likewise missing major character arcs, like Milos descent into fascism, entirely. The book is absolutely a masterpiece though
@@reubenleal7098 / The movie certainly has its high points, but it suffers as all movies must from time limitations and ruthless editing. I guess it was always too much to ask to see a statue of Milo in the darkest center of Africa, stained with human blood. Brilliant that.
One of the very greatest singers of all time.
"All great countries are destroyed"..."Why not yours?"
This scene can be looked one of two ways.
When you're young, the old man might seem like a turncoat devoid of any morals, virtue or values. Just a cynical completely selfish person.
When you're older, the old man might seem like he's experienced, smart and a survivor.
He understands wars will come and go, leaders will come and go, regimes will change. And that at the core of it all is just human desire to dominate others, to satisfy our ego, etc. Very seldom is any fight about something else than somehow wanting to fuel your own ambition and ego. And those hungry for power and pushing for power ultimately all fall down one way or another. And what's left are the ordinary people, normal people. So if you're more experienced, you know it's best to just pick the side that ensures you yourself get the most out of it, anything else is just a waste of time.
Very keen analysis!
Well put!. 20 years of blind obedience is no match for 107 years of wisdom. "if you live"
A lesson in the difference between morality and ethics.
Or perhaps the difference between nationalism and pragmatism?
@@sprezzatura8755 More accurately pragmatism and idealism. Nately is fighting for his ideals, the Old Man is just doing whatever works to keep him alive.
@@redryan20000 old men are pragmatic, young men are idealistic. The latter is necessary to build great things, the former is necessary to keep them running smooth.
@@admontblanc The former gives them institutional memory.
"It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." Huh, just realized how much this pertains to the end of the book with Yossarian's deal.
The old man has it right. Better to live on your feet than die on your knees, which is so obviously what we Conservatives and Libertarians prefer, while the poor deluded SJWs think that living on your knees is JUST FINE. And accuse anyone who feels independent thoughts and words and ways of living is better than kowtowing to any state of being racist. In California we have decided to live on our knees and avoid kneeling in human feces. I am surrounded by soft-headed Liberals indoctrinated by the State. Wearing a red baseball cap is a really risky business.
@@paulaharrisbaca4851 Yet...you so-called Cons and Libertarians bow to the corporate STATISTS...the right-wing central planners that rule your world and fund the creeps that bamboozle you...like Fox and Limbaugh...where you get all your "info".
@@paulaharrisbaca4851 settle down child no one said anything about you
@@toncuz8291 it looks like your side decided to put everyone on their knees with censorship.
Trying to close all roads so that only the one with the toll remains.
How fitting that in times of relative peace the left side turns totalitarian...
The saying of "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees" is a saying from a woman called "La Passionaria in the Spanish Civil War. She fought on The LOyalist side against Franco's Fascists. Catch 22 was written in 1962 I beleive. It is really critical of the 1950 's McCarthy Era and the opportinism of many Politicians like the old Italian Man
I love Artie! ❤😍 He is so cute!
One of my favourite scenes in the film. Yes,Nately dies before he reaches 20...and yes, the America of 1944 is long gone as well. All that man creates, all the ideals he is brainwashed into believing as a reason for killing others, is vanity...and he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
Once you live through a totalitarian system where all your choices are meaningless you will understand how precious and worthy ideals like freedom, democracy and peace are.
People get very complacent in only one generation or two. But when the hammer finally falls, you will know why some things are worth fighting for and why the only option is to fight.
Look at the US right now and tell me if those people took the high road and left all those marauders to step over them. Those ideals of pacifism can only be written and experimented on only in countries that have peace and freedom guaranteed already.
And Italy just marches on...
@@joebombero1
And their youth flees to other EU countries just like their ancestors left to Argentina, the US, Canada, Australia etc because they can't make a life in Italy.
How do we, Canada, America, well, the rest of the world, not benefiting from the war on The Ukraine- how do we of all spiritual paths, STOP PUTIN...Namaste from a concerned person
@@julianmarco4185 once you stop spouting your bullshit and sniffing your own farts you realize that all your stupid ideas are mere dollar store rehashes of much older ideas. Greece was destroyed, Rome was destroyed, Spain was destroyed...
You're still correct, my comment applies more to the many idiots that will read these comments long from now thinking they know it all, have seen it all, maybe even while witnessing the final breaths of this fake "pacifist" world order.
Art Garfunfunkel was hot in this movie.
He always is hot!
That's a new one!
This is such a classic scene. So apropos today.
Best scene in the entire movie. ❤️❤️
Knowing lines never made Art an actor. This film went way over shooting time and Simon waited 4-5 months to complete the Bridge Over Troubled Water album. Art had signed on for another film without letting Simon know which was more wait time for an acting career that was never on and went nowhere. With so many musical ideas to explore it’s no wonder Simon ditched him finally exasperated and frustrated.
I recall the Mad magazine satire of this scene- it went something like this:
I am confused
Because I speak in paradoxes?
No, because you have a French accent.
Yes Mad magazine!
Half the movies from the late 1960’s early seventies I know only from the Mad Satires!
Is Paris burning? Movie
Hitler calls-
“ is Paris Burning??”
No but the people who paid 4 dollars for this movie there are burning!
@@josephpadula2283 Didn't they call it "Is Paris Boring?" It wasn't a great film, I remember with a lot of newsreel stuff spliced in.
Yes it was Is Paris boring.
Thanks for reminding me.
@@josephpadula2283 What did Mad call their satire of Catch 22? That I do not remember.
@@lawrencelewis2592 Catch-all 22
Greatest philosophical discussion in film history!
It's Afghanistan ...when will we learn?
@@s.w.sikorski6458 S.W., how DARE you state the truth. Afghanistan will be around long after the U.S. and its western powers are gone.
oh man you got that right, thia has been my philosophy since i turned sixty
I totally agree!
@@s.w.sikorski6458 when you realize the old man was right.
what a great scene. i love this movie more than i will ever know
Kids got an attractive young Italian woman in his lap and he tells her to put clothes on. Nately has a stronger will than I do.
nately was an incel
Block the entrances, close the doors
Seal the exits because this is war
+ultimatepowersun all gave some, some gave all
but for what? i wanna know
+Guy Eshed Carry on, don't mind me
All I gave was everything, and yet you ask me for more
Fought your fight
Bought your lie
And in return I lost my life
What purpose does this serve?
+Narutokun11
A folded flag, a Purple Heart
A family all but torn apart.
I fought with courage to preserve
Not my way of life, but yours.
Meanwhile, Paul was writing all the songs.
Brilliant scene.
Ditto.
I'm just here for art garfunkel. I have to say that was good acting. Lol
The old guy, maybe
One of the greatest scenes ever written…
fantastic conversation
Anyone else brought here by Rise Against?
and i thought i would be the first one
in all fairness I knew this dialogue was in survivor guilt HOWEVER I only found out it was this movie by looking up the catch-22 paradox "needing something that can only be obtained by not needing it" which in terms led me to look into this movie to see if it it followed that which in turn led me to clicking on this movies usage in pop culture which led to me finding out what movie the audio was from
Finally found the sample after 7 years of curiosity!
I was brought here by Simon Sinek talk about finite/infinite game theory.
@@Charliecomet82 it took me over a decade, and I don’t know why I didn’t google what the sample between now and when I first heard the song, but I’m glad I finally have this closure
Why is this old man the smartest guy in the whole movie.
no analogies to the Afghan wars in the comments? Is this over reach on my part ?
I love Art G. So handsome.
Is that Simon AND Garfunkel ?
This guy could sing a little too!
That old man is a real survivor. He will sell out everyone to stay alive..
+Jeffrey Tran
Donald Trump's role model...
Donald Trump has never known any hardships of any kind though.
its bad to say but that works but also it shows he has no loyalties and may not be trusted
@@CLASSICALFAN100 Shallow, baby - shallow
Art is good!!!
"If you live..."
*Oh shit*
A great scene and a very young Art Garfunkel!
I love Artie so handsome
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
-Dolores Ibárruri, 1936
Watching this clip gives me a much clearer understanding of Italian history ...
Genius writing.
As actors go, Art Garfunkel was a great singer.
it is better to live on your feet, than to die on your knees - incredible
Brilliant scene, written with wit and wisdom! Truth is, America is now being destroyed.
so you're saying we're doing well.
@@persuasivebarrier2419 Soon, we will be much weaker than we used to be. Only then will we finally be strong.
By whom not by the majority but by a minority of MAGA Fascists!
@dennisstender1743 You watch too much television. Open your eyes to what’s actually happening around you, and you will see.
But u still are here? Leave 🌪️
Artie♥
Ditto :)
Are... are yall simping over artie??
Catch-23 ;doing what you love and hating it.
There is only one catch, Catch 22.
A number of truths in there
I wanna watch this movie.
I love this movie
Big difference is also that Italy is a nation, America is not.
Some of the Empires that have existed throughout history, Akkadian Empire, Mongol Empire, Persian Empire, Han Dynasty, Umayyad Caliphate, Ottoman Empire, Roman Empire, Spanish Empire, Russian Empire, British Empire, French Empire.
Hi, what?
America is a nation.
@@timburr4453 no it isn't. Not in the classical sense.
@@pyry1948 well no not in the classical sense. But within America there is still a remnant of that nation...massive immigration dissolved a lot of it
The Secret to life is....... wait for it .........living.
How long will your county last? If that was asked in '44 then 78 more years.
Things aren't looking too good these days....people are dropping dead on TV all over the place from those inoculations.
@@folkblueswriter yeah its the inoculations that are causing it
i LOVE this scene
in One if not the Greatest
tales of and from the 20th Century
I cannot see Clooney and all his Pacific Hulu crowd improving on it anytime soon.
Tonight we are gonna fight, fight, fight
like it is 22, 2222,
all over again
lets go Bow to Back
into the Evermore
Brilliant explanation of World history.
Well, that was... eerie. O_o
As if a 19-year-old could ever be expected to hold his own in a philosophical dispute with a still-lucid 107-year old..... And yet the old man's arguments are not as hardy as he is. So Italy has won because it has survived - Rome fell, but there are still Italians. But the only alternative to that would be an empty peninsula with nothing of human life in it at all, which is impossible, of course. So what is the old man really boasting about? Some day the United States government will be gone too, as he points out; but somebody will still be living in the American land space, and they will still be Americans by definition; so I guess that it would only be at that point that the old man would raise America to the same victorious status as Italy...... One response Nately could have made, and probably would have made, if he had survived his callow stage and made it to about the age of 30, is this: "I am only here, in your country, because of your failure. And if I don't reach 20 next year, that will be your moral fault as much as anybody else's."
But America will have to first lose everything it admires and exalts about itself as an empire to achieve the same victorious status as Italy
@@whatisbestinlife8112 Then maybe somebody else's 19-year-olds will have to come in and rescue us.
To live is to be the victor.
@@admontblanc All the surviving Nazis were victors too. And the victims they murdered were the losers.
All Empires fail, the US Empire has already failed, what we are witnessing now is just the echo.
Question is, will it be a slow limping collapse like the Byzantine Empire, collapse into chaos and ruin like Rome, conquered like Egypt, or just lose status and colonies like Britain. Personally, I am really hoping for the last one; but more and more it looks like we’ll end up like Rome. The masses entertained by bread and games, decadent rulers control everything, and we’re invaded and sacked by Raiders we probably armed and trained at some point in history.
A great film...
It doesn't matter how long you stay alive or when you die but what you lived and died for. So if someone made you choose between the life of you or your kid or someone you love, do you choose to live then. Resulting in their death. If I told you that you have to spend the rest of your days in agonizing pain, would you wanna live then? In certain circles death can be salvation. Look at so many before us. The people who died so that we can watch movies, and make memories with each other and enjoy life.
KYLE REESE An interesting conundrum. I can't answer the first part of your question honestly (no kids), however to the second question I offer this, suffering is momentary. It will pass. Death is permanent. I would rather live with momentary pain, than be dead forever.
Death is momentarily. There is no end to us. We will all live forever. We are beings of energy and energy cannot be destroyed. Life must go. I feel as though this video teaches survival through conformity but that will only last so long. If we truly wish to survive, we will at some point have to fight.
The people who died for me?
Bullocks!
No one dies for anyone. War is bussiness and ideals are just ideals. People go to wars because they lack a proper job or are dreaming too loud on all the ideals about freedom, democracy and the sort... But those things don't exist. They are just ideals made us to give life incentives.
Real warriors go to war because it's entertaining to kill, not to save anyone's ass, because it's a risky adventure.
We are wrongly been told that wars are made for make other people happy. Biggest lie ever told.
I agree that there are some things that define you as a person, and losing them could be worse than death. I would sacrifice myself for the people I really love and care about, but not for nationalism. Don't confuse what's important to you. If a war started in my country, I would flee and do everything in my power to take my loved ones with me.
And for the last part of your speech, I would sacrifice any number of strangers to save myself or a friend. And so does 99% of the population. And we actually prove it daily, when we buy a new car, new clothes, or just a cup of coffee, we could instead give it to people that end up dying because of poor living conditions. We could always do more to help. But we all draw a line where our commodities are more important than the lives of others.
Italy is technically a much younger country than The United States.
Same with Germany.
And no Italian would ever talk like that. Even now national identity is weak there, to say nothing of 1940s.
@@paulfrantizek102 Absolute Rubbish , Italy is the most treasured nation to its people …
@@micheledibenedetto7780 "let me tell you about your country".
@@LoudaroundLincoln unified Italy and unified Germany are mere political bodies, and yes in that regard they are young, but in the truest sense of the word nation both are much older than the US, and both will probably endure longer than the US before great transformation changes the face of them all entirely.
♥Nately♥
If you live.
Tom get your plane right on time, I know your part will go fine, fly down to Mexico ……the only living boy in New York City. Art was Tom from Tom & Jerry, Simon and Garfunkel’s original name, Art was flying down to Mexico to act in Catch-22.
" YOURE ALL CRAZY "
Kiitos
Italy gets up again after it falls, just like Rome, while the other once were 'great' countries die out.
No, they're all still there too. Not many real population replacements actually happened in history if you want to get technical genetic studies are proof that European populations remain largely unchanged since before writing existed. The plurality of ethnicities in Europe is not as diverse among its own group as it is regarding outsider groups. This means that all the great nations of the past, though all passed away in glory and faded into irrelevance on the world stage, still exist in a dormant state in the living descendants of the men who built those nations up. Spain is gone but the Spanish remain, Greece is gone but the Greek remain, Rome is gone but the Romans remain...
1:12 and 3:26 for rise against
"How old are you?"
"I'll be 20 in January."
"If you live."
And, of course, Nately dies....
You can see why Art's acting career didn't take off...
The old man makes sense.
You have it a-backwards-za.
In italy we say "france or spain as long as we can eat"
That is the secret to life?- indeed
*Lieutenant Nately.
Is that Art Garfunkel?
There was only one catch...
Also- Italian soldiers would surrender at the drop of a hat. Regarded as lousy fighters, but who will live and who will not? Who are the smart ones?
Why would you put up a fight if you were poorly equipped, possibly without enough munitions in many cases? For all the times they surrendered easily, they also gave you dogs the fights of your lives.
Italians fought as good as any when they had good leadership. Most of Rommel's forces were Italian.
the weak always take advantage of the strong.
Anyone here know Survivor Guilt?
Sound Corporate advice.
When we go go to America Nateley?
never:(
The great film critic Pauline Kael found this scene to be one of the most morally repugnant in all of filmdom. Was she right? The old man certainly has an unusual view of what is, or is not, "moral," yet in comparison with Nately he nevertheless also and ironically seems the wiser.
"Great film critic" sounds like someone who should get thrown into a volcano.
Is that right? Pauline Kael was a great writer with very odd tastes in movies. I usually read her and disagree with her.
All great countries are destroyed...
‘I am a hundred and seven years old’, claims a man who clearly is nowhere near that age.
physical looks can be quite deceiving my man. Besides, the brothel owner is the type who slips through life without being caught in the crossfire-and as such isn't as worn by stress as the rest of his generation.
"Tom" was right to go back to singing.
ME ALSO, PAVLOV!
Because I know...How do you know? because im a 107 years old, how old are you? ill be 20 in january...if you live. If only Americans and others who covet the gun understood this we would all be better off
cuba
Sorry, but uhhh.. Spain was not destroyed. Their current cultural identity is basically shaped during their colonial empire era.
It's not so easy when you take away Paul Simon's coattails.
Taoism in a nutshell.
Did the old man tell Nately about the Italian tanks....?.....The tanks with twenty five reverse gears....!
I have wondered what this Italian means to the movie.
I believe that he represents the defeatism argument of countries who get conquered and liberated by the Americans. To them it feels like nothing changes. But this arguement can only come from a writer who only judges history in a satire without knowing real history.
Once Italy became fascist, the royalty was removed from power and after the fall of fascism, democracy was actually instated in the country and a period of development like no other started in the country.
It can be said that countries that are liberated by America do change for the better but the change happens slowly and can't be forced.
So while the satire writer of the book is clever. He isn't right about history.
America didn't install democracy in Italy
Is there even a claim about history?
Trump almost succeeded in destroying USA
This scene reminds me of European arrogance and why they are in the big mess they happen to be in.
***** Good answers!
+royalcourtier Although you may be right i'd rather have america as the major economic power than china (i'm not american by the way)
+atchicago1 So Europe happens (or happened two years ago) to be in some "big mess"?
European arrogance? Really, you as an American are gonna tell us we're arrogant? LOL this lack of self-awareness...
Hey hes got a point it wasn't america who was responsible for ww2. That was European arrogance at its finest.
2020 if biden is elected