@@exeggcutebenedict Lol Maru hasn't been able to win against Serral for quite a long while now. Maxpax might be a good match but Serral still won most of the time. Only when against Clem though...
@@exeggcutebenedict serral is quite literally performing a mandatory military service while clem plays 15+ hours a day relentlessly and has a personal chef/trainer that can attend to him as he needs, you are all coping hard - not saying clem isn't excellent but serral is an animal, anyone who has been watching SC2 understands.
"The longer the maps are around, the longer the balance patch is around, the better it's getting for Terran" - exactly! All the slow Terrans got it by now, the buffs simply went too far. The clowns from the Balance Council are probably thinking about a Templar and Zerling nerf now
It's not even the balance, although Protoss needs a worker comeback mechanic on the level of larvae and Mules, and Ghosts, maybe Libs, still need more of a nerf to make TvX anything but a Ghost-Lib steamrolls everything show. The problem is the maps: there are three maps that are nearly 60% or more favored for Terran, that just happen to be the three "experimental" ones that were the reason the map pool was bumped up to 9 this rotation. We desperately need a new map pool more than we need a balance patch.
@@user-nh2bf4to7gidk about messing with fundamentals like worker production, but I agree terran needs power shifted off ghosts and onto stuff like ravens, so the terran has to actually choose and open up weaknesses instead of blind-building ghosts in every matchup Libs are just. I don't understand why they exist.
@@amiablereaper The problem with ghosts is theres basically no late game Terran army where you can't just plug in ghosts and be happy AND they are really good immediately upon production. I think if they made it so that Terrans had to research the EMP upgrade it would help weaken the ghosts a bit
Seems like the answer to zerg's question of how to counter terran is play like Serral. Just be more cost-efficient than terran on terran-favoured maps. So easy. Ha ha!
Terran buffed to absolute Godhood, Zerg nerfed into the ground. "oh my God Clem soooo good!!!". Time for Blizz to nerf Terran 7 times in a row because, "Clem wins too much", JUST like they did to Serral.
Spoiler: Serral just knows how to handle the IMBA terran. Take the whole map and swarm them into oblivion. If you don't do this, terran just keeps dropping mules and orbitals uncontested and it becomes a one sided matchup. GG WP SERRAL!
27:10 yeah I agree I have been watching almost every matchup that came out the 3 last years And the point we are at is sad :( This is the first video i am heavily fast forwarding into. Cause we know Ryung don't win this. But the fact that Serral as no other way to win that suffocating the game to broodlord. Or gambling on some cheese who could effectively make him loose Honestly, ryung didn't even haded more straport so is transition wasn't ready, we could have been there for 20 more minutes if he thought about building a few wikings. And honestly Thors/vikings is so stupid cause with 2 units u actually counters Broodlord/corrruptor/infestor even if the zerg player commit exactly to the right amount of broodlord by keeping just enough corruptor (while terran can keep just 2 thors that will always counter corruptor while also outranging and outdpsing the broodlord) Not even talking about ghost... Anyway this is boring, slow, and Clem prove at the world that's it isn't the most optimal way to play terran anyway. I find the state of the game atm just sad and it's a a shame that the balance council isn't improving TvZ and TvP which are just a pain to watch. We saw with zerg for a lot of year with broodlord/infestor that when siege unit are op it's unfair and make the game boring. I think that siege unit should be less cost effective, splash unit should be less cost effective, so it will not encourage player to camp until the map run out whil esometimes trying to avoid fight whitout static defense.
@@MCG55SS Yeah, it is sad that Maru has not won against Serral in a while. We can only hope that he stops trying to make the defensive play work and switch to what Clem is doing. More aggresive , more active.
I feel like an appropriate nerf for terran would be making only command centers actively being used to collect resources generate scans. Idk if that's possible, but it would force a bit more skill and tactical use. Because terran is simply too safe. They control early via mobility and their primary unit that also scales to late game being able to handle both air and ground defense. Brush off all midgame agro if they can approximately match competence of opponents. Auto win late game if they aren't completely sleeping. Plus less consistently necessary investment into dead-end tech like glaives or roaches. This saves both resources but also time - allowing that research time to be spent on unit production or upgrades to late game tech instead of transition/temp tech you ultimately abandon.
Hey Lowko you have to watch the movie 'a bridge too far' because it means the opposite of what you're saying, confused me a few times 😂 or just wikipedia 'operation market garden'
Wow... Ryung played so bad in game 1. It felt like he was just playing not to lose. Especially on a chaotic map like Dynasty, Clem showcases how you gotta do it. Terran has to be in your face - especially against a macro centric player like Serral. I mean I know it's Ryung's style, but you cannot just be yourself. Gotta be fluid. Current top level meta requires next level micro + APM - it's an unavoidable fact. Unless you just wanna maintain top 100, then you can play slow and methodical. But like Ryung wasn't even playing macro based - he was literally just playing like the final campaign map where you build a tower defense and hope to hold on until you can purify kerrigan lol. I've never seen a zerg get away with 1:1 efficiency trade before. Then the tech switch with broodlords, again, I think it came from the complacency that he was ok just from hanging with Serral for this long - as evidenced by him never wanting to leave his shell and contest ANYTHING. Again - it's why I got this vibe he was playing not to lose from the get go. Same issue Gumiho and Cure keeps having too. It's like they don't want to improve at the game - but improve at what makes them them. Makes it fun to watch styles clash, but you gotta drop what isn't working if you wanna keep climbing.
So at 31:20 are you saying Ryung is a jobber? I think I used the term correctly. Although jobbers are supposed to purposely lose I think. I kind of see it as a wall one must get past.
hmmm. honestly i feel like snipe needs to be changed. i've been watching sc2 now nearly every day for like a decade by now. now here is a radical thought. i think snipe should be able to be blocked by units standing (or flying units flying units flying) in the way. i think ghosts would still be a good unit. emp is still a really good ability, in both zvt and ofc even more in pvt, also: snipe is still a good ability, even with that nerf to it. it would however create a lot more interesting gameplay, with the terran trying to ceate angles for the snipes, which would be A LOT better than the shiit we have right now which is basically just a firing squad on everything that is not a zergling. yes, clem is INSANE right now. and that is okay. I dont think we need a lib or marine nerf tbh. all i wish for is some more interesting and interactive gameplay. cause right now, clem plays every game exactly the same and kills everything. zerg has to shark arround and find angles with inferstors. actually i think abduct should also be changed in some cool way, vipers are also not the most interactive... protos can port arround the map with the mama and forcefileds have the raveger interaction and stasis can be killed with detection, cool stuff! ghosts.... ghosts press snipe on everything that is not a zergling.
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A terran on 2.5 bases successfully held off a zerg that had total mail control.... Yes he eventually fell but the fact that held more than 10 minutes is insane And not just any zerg, arguably the best zerg player
Honestly, it still is slightly too OP. The problem with Zerg is that they are fairly rezistent to nerfs as their economy is so strong that nerfing military units of theirs has a way smaller effect than doing this to the other 2, but this was Serral playing so it makes sense.
@@TheFriendlyamoeba "A terran on 2.5 bases successfully held off a zerg that had total mail control.... Yes he eventually fell but the fact that held more than 10 minutes is insane" So he succesfully held him off.......except that he failed.... so he did not succesfully held him off then.
I don't think protoss wins this one
Even in a PvP they won't. :D
Omg spoiler
Protoss can't catch a break 😞
Protoss never wins
私はsc2、1年目のザーグ（mmr2800）ですがプロトスには殆ど勝てます。
テランは私の脅威で、タンクの防御力、メディバッグマリーンのハラスの圧力はプロトスとは比べ物になりません。
勿論このゲームのバランスは優れていますが…。
That "one foot in the grave joke" 😂
when i heard that i went straight to the comments to find yours lol.
After not considering Starcraft at all for over those years i can finally say im totally addicted to watch your vids. Im loving it!
We don't need a spoiler shield when serral is playing
Unless it is clem, Maru or Maxpax.
@@exeggcutebenedict Maru? good one
@@exeggcutebenedict Lol Maru hasn't been able to win against Serral for quite a long while now. Maxpax might be a good match but Serral still won most of the time.
Only when against Clem though...
@@KrassesClem is insane
@@exeggcutebenedict serral is quite literally performing a mandatory military service while clem plays 15+ hours a day relentlessly and has a personal chef/trainer that can attend to him as he needs, you are all coping hard - not saying clem isn't excellent but serral is an animal, anyone who has been watching SC2 understands.
Don't worry, LowKo, we're gonna grow old together, bro.
"The longer the maps are around, the longer the balance patch is around, the better it's getting for Terran" - exactly! All the slow Terrans got it by now, the buffs simply went too far.
The clowns from the Balance Council are probably thinking about a Templar and Zerling nerf now
It's not even the balance, although Protoss needs a worker comeback mechanic on the level of larvae and Mules, and Ghosts, maybe Libs, still need more of a nerf to make TvX anything but a Ghost-Lib steamrolls everything show. The problem is the maps: there are three maps that are nearly 60% or more favored for Terran, that just happen to be the three "experimental" ones that were the reason the map pool was bumped up to 9 this rotation. We desperately need a new map pool more than we need a balance patch.
@@user-nh2bf4to7gidk about messing with fundamentals like worker production, but I agree terran needs power shifted off ghosts and onto stuff like ravens, so the terran has to actually choose and open up weaknesses instead of blind-building ghosts in every matchup
Libs are just. I don't understand why they exist.
@@amiablereaper The problem with ghosts is theres basically no late game Terran army where you can't just plug in ghosts and be happy AND they are really good immediately upon production.
I think if they made it so that Terrans had to research the EMP upgrade it would help weaken the ghosts a bit
OMG I had no idea Ryung was that old! No not old, that is ancient, he cant have his childhood meals anymore because the ingedients are extinct by now
Serral - the prodigal son of Sarah Kerrigan, he is The Swarm... For this occasion.
10:43 Missed opportunity to say "Ultramately, he's going into Ultralisks" 😅
Seems like the answer to zerg's question of how to counter terran is play like Serral. Just be more cost-efficient than terran on terran-favoured maps. So easy. Ha ha!
Terran buffed to absolute Godhood, Zerg nerfed into the ground. "oh my God Clem soooo good!!!". Time for Blizz to nerf Terran 7 times in a row because, "Clem wins too much", JUST like they did to Serral.
The Circle of Life. 🎶🎵🎼
Spoiler:
Serral just knows how to handle the IMBA terran. Take the whole map and swarm them into oblivion. If you don't do this, terran just keeps dropping mules and orbitals uncontested and it becomes a one sided matchup. GG WP SERRAL!
27:10 yeah I agree I have been watching almost every matchup that came out the 3 last years
And the point we are at is sad :(
This is the first video i am heavily fast forwarding into.
Cause we know Ryung don't win this.
But the fact that Serral as no other way to win that suffocating the game to broodlord.
Or gambling on some cheese who could effectively make him loose
Honestly, ryung didn't even haded more straport so is transition wasn't ready, we could have been there for 20 more minutes if he thought about building a few wikings.
And honestly Thors/vikings is so stupid cause with 2 units u actually counters Broodlord/corrruptor/infestor even if the zerg player commit exactly to the right amount of broodlord by keeping just enough corruptor (while terran can keep just 2 thors that will always counter corruptor while also outranging and outdpsing the broodlord)
Not even talking about ghost...
Anyway this is boring, slow, and Clem prove at the world that's it isn't the most optimal way to play terran anyway. I find the state of the game atm just sad and it's a a shame that the balance council isn't improving TvZ and TvP which are just a pain to watch.
We saw with zerg for a lot of year with broodlord/infestor that when siege unit are op it's unfair and make the game boring.
I think that siege unit should be less cost effective, splash unit should be less cost effective, so it will not encourage player to camp until the map run out whil esometimes trying to avoid fight whitout static defense.
I don't hate Ryung, but dude, Serral absolutely destroyed him, like 99% of the pros . Only Clem and Maru pose a real threat.
LOL Maru?? when is the last time he even beat Serral??? its been a bit it feels like.
@@MCG55SS Still has a better overall record in tournaments than Serral. Maru is the GOAT for a reason.
@@MCG55SS Yeah, it is sad that Maru has not won against Serral in a while. We can only hope that he stops trying to make the defensive play work and switch to what Clem is doing. More aggresive , more active.
Serral is 18-4 in series against Maru since 2017 and has only lost a single bo3+ to him since 2021. Serral has always had Maru's number.
@@obsolete959 Can that be true? They have only played 22 matches in 7 years? That has to be wrong.
Petition for lowko to introduce Serral with accent again. You know what i mean. The Seeerral
“How can a man with so much vision be so blind?”. That’s deep, Lowko.
I feel like an appropriate nerf for terran would be making only command centers actively being used to collect resources generate scans. Idk if that's possible, but it would force a bit more skill and tactical use. Because terran is simply too safe.
They control early via mobility and their primary unit that also scales to late game being able to handle both air and ground defense. Brush off all midgame agro if they can approximately match competence of opponents. Auto win late game if they aren't completely sleeping. Plus less consistently necessary investment into dead-end tech like glaives or roaches. This saves both resources but also time - allowing that research time to be spent on unit production or upgrades to late game tech instead of transition/temp tech you ultimately abandon.
Browko please, I come to watch a chill game of StarCraft and you open up by scaring me with age talk 😭
Joona being one single day older is pretty neat I won't lie
Wait = 1991? The Halcyon Year of Gaming! Mega-Lo--Mania, first RTS with a tech tree!
26:28 Is this... the elusive instance where an Ultra's burrow ability actually does something in competitive play?
Thanks for the video, Lowko! Apparently there is no such thing as too many drones for Serral. ❤
i havent played starcraft other than campaign 10 years ago yet i have watched your videos almost every day in bed
It’s actually amazing, this is the skill gap I was used to back in 2018 during serral’s peak…. I guess rank #1 and rank #30 are JUST that far apart.
When Terran lose, I sleep well:)
1984. I make sure to put your videos on VHS before I can watch.
Hey Lowko you have to watch the movie 'a bridge too far' because it means the opposite of what you're saying, confused me a few times 😂 or just wikipedia 'operation market garden'
*looking at the first game*
Damn, it's almost like not having ravens with your army is a bad idea against fungal.
wow to find out my streamer is 31-32 years old is fun I myself was born 94
That is a good thumbnail
I obviously say this teasingly, but thanks Lowko lol, ~1:41, 😅.
1989 so I guess I’m approaching the second foot in by now. 😂
I really want to see a series of serral vs clem. Imo two of the best player atm
Ps. When the ghost is less fked up
Buddy do I got news for you
I only watch LowKo when there is no resl Korean stuff.
GSL, Affecafreecs
And here come the unscouted Ultras! Oh, well, they all got sniped by Ghosts in 0.3 seconds.
huh. I never thought about it but the only melee unit terran has is the scv.
Wow... Ryung played so bad in game 1. It felt like he was just playing not to lose. Especially on a chaotic map like Dynasty, Clem showcases how you gotta do it. Terran has to be in your face - especially against a macro centric player like Serral. I mean I know it's Ryung's style, but you cannot just be yourself. Gotta be fluid. Current top level meta requires next level micro + APM - it's an unavoidable fact. Unless you just wanna maintain top 100, then you can play slow and methodical.
But like Ryung wasn't even playing macro based - he was literally just playing like the final campaign map where you build a tower defense and hope to hold on until you can purify kerrigan lol. I've never seen a zerg get away with 1:1 efficiency trade before. Then the tech switch with broodlords, again, I think it came from the complacency that he was ok just from hanging with Serral for this long - as evidenced by him never wanting to leave his shell and contest ANYTHING. Again - it's why I got this vibe he was playing not to lose from the get go.
Same issue Gumiho and Cure keeps having too. It's like they don't want to improve at the game - but improve at what makes them them. Makes it fun to watch styles clash, but you gotta drop what isn't working if you wanna keep climbing.
So at 31:20 are you saying Ryung is a jobber? I think I used the term correctly. Although jobbers are supposed to purposely lose I think. I kind of see it as a wall one must get past.
Passive turtle terrains fucked around and zergs found out.
One foot in the grave.....dude i was born in 1991 as well....and it more like the whole leg at this point....
hold on, why are the drones in the thumbnail in my list blue, but when i open it, the first frame is full of red drones? :O
3:54 I'm gonna say it. I don't care that you broke your elbow.
Las miniaturas deberían ser eternas
Damn 33 ain’t old
VITR playing Sim City lmao
I suspect that zerg will be nerf again
hmmm. honestly i feel like snipe needs to be changed. i've been watching sc2 now nearly every day for like a decade by now.
now here is a radical thought. i think snipe should be able to be blocked by units standing (or flying units flying units flying) in the way.
i think ghosts would still be a good unit. emp is still a really good ability, in both zvt and ofc even more in pvt,
also: snipe is still a good ability, even with that nerf to it. it would however create a lot more interesting gameplay, with the terran trying to ceate angles for the snipes, which would be A LOT better than the shiit we have right now which is basically just a firing squad on everything that is not a zergling.
yes, clem is INSANE right now. and that is okay. I dont think we need a lib or marine nerf tbh.
all i wish for is some more interesting and interactive gameplay. cause right now, clem plays every game exactly the same and kills everything.
zerg has to shark arround and find angles with inferstors. actually i think abduct should also be changed in some cool way, vipers are also not the most interactive...
protos can port arround the map with the mama and forcefileds have the raveger interaction and stasis can be killed with detection, cool stuff!
ghosts.... ghosts press snipe on everything that is not a zergling.
Ryung is not the best in the world... so i think its doesnt metter much what Serral will do, he can test some new strategies and have fun.
When is it ever bad strategy to transition to ghosts?
If you think 30s is bad, wait til you get to your 40s.....
337 Bins Loaf
Lowko, curious if there is any chance for casts on recent Starcraft 2 vs Warcraft 3 mod?
ZvTs are the best
i thought Lowko is 20-ish 😂
He is 20-ish. We all are... forever young. ;3
Well let's be honest, he does look pretty young. It depends on the angles, but he still doesn't look in his 30s
ghost dmg needs nerf vs massive
GG Brood lords
Serral only showing up for big purses now? Classic $erral, amirite?
Hey people! Curious guy here! I would like to know what you guys like the most about SC2 pro player games.
For me : I love seeing the pro players goofing around most of the time. Seeing them show their new tricks so proudly to each other like little kids half the time.
Hope you have a nice day! And see you guys around on another video😊
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@@Howdy762If you want...
@@IcariumGamingHo I totally agree with you. I litteraly am out of social standards. May you explain to me what is weird about my comment tho?
@@samuelpoulin8148use the words I am not a bot
brah, they re trying to soft nerf serral lol
I feel like ryunng stays turtle too much been watching Maru and clem they're harrasing with med evacs and clearing tumors
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what happened to your mic?
Sir I was born in 1989. Shut. Up.
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Wild how overpowered Zerg still is
LOL that's a joke right??? Serral is just OP
A terran on 2.5 bases successfully held off a zerg that had total mail control.... Yes he eventually fell but the fact that held more than 10 minutes is insane
And not just any zerg, arguably the best zerg player
Honestly, it still is slightly too OP. The problem with Zerg is that they are fairly rezistent to nerfs as their economy is so strong that nerfing military units of theirs has a way smaller effect than doing this to the other 2, but this was Serral playing so it makes sense.
@@TheFriendlyamoeba "A terran on 2.5 bases successfully held off a zerg that had total mail control.... Yes he eventually fell but the fact that held more than 10 minutes is insane"
So he succesfully held him off.......except that he failed.... so he did not succesfully held him off then.
@@shadowpriest2574 Zerg logic. Even when they win they find ways to complain about being underpowered.
I don't think "being one bridge too far" means what you think it means.
you watched at least 40 minutes of his video and this is the comment you came up with?
yayy
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Hellow
Good player, but not the best
2nd viewer. Cheers.
First!
what happened to spoiler shields
Sad these vids are way to long. Who has 1 hour to watch this
try watching it on x2 speed, it helps
Terran OP
BRING BACK THE SINGING INTRO !
mY NAme is Low~~kO