Two Oh-So-Happy Destinies Forced Upon Daughters in Edo Japan

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  • @Linfamy
    @Linfamy  Рік тому +196

    Which road would you take?
    Or you could stay where you are and take this road: www.patreon.com/Linfamy

    • @mrgold5261
      @mrgold5261 Рік тому

      Both suck BUTTTT I would rather become a house wife than a pleasure house slut

    • @mariaavalon3730
      @mariaavalon3730 Рік тому

      Courtesan for me I would rather be a sexy lady wearing pretty clothes, getting paid to do the wild thing! Plus I don't like kids! LOL!

    • @akechijubeimitsuhide
      @akechijubeimitsuhide Рік тому +28

      Nun. Definitely nun. I'm asexual, faking being religious is easier than faking enjoying sex.

    • @storsolo
      @storsolo Рік тому +4

      what is the name of the manga shown in the video?

    • @Lady_Chalk
      @Lady_Chalk Рік тому +6

      Courtesan. I would be a terrible mother. 😥

  • @seileen1234
    @seileen1234 Рік тому +1869

    "Pushing out bebes like a 3D printer of meat..."
    You are a poet

    • @Nesterou
      @Nesterou Рік тому +13

      PEZ dispenser is also nice 👌🏻😂

    • @MxrmGxrl4
      @MxrmGxrl4 Рік тому +8

      It went by so quick that I couldn’t process straight away 😭. This guy needs his own comedy sketch on tv 🤣

  • @decoraqueena6413
    @decoraqueena6413 Рік тому +776

    So basically being an edo woman meant you either got syphilis from your husband or syphilis from a stranger. Lovely...

    • @Amphitera
      @Amphitera Рік тому +86

      was the same for european women, and almost everywhere else.

    • @goldcoinz420
      @goldcoinz420 9 місяців тому +36

      The illusion of free choice

    • @nicolasreinaldet732
      @nicolasreinaldet732 7 місяців тому +13

      I mean It realy depends on the theory but Siphilis either didnt exist, was not diagnosticated yet or existed only in the new world at that time.
      So not siphilis but something else maybe.

    • @isobelduncan
      @isobelduncan 7 місяців тому +6

      Regarding their sexuality (as Linfamy mentions) yes, but he *does also* mention that it although it was difficult and not considered "proper" for women to work outside of the home, it wasn't impossible. They could work as domestic servants, nannies, waitresses or even a teacher. Some even worked alongside their husbands to help the family business. Sakamoto Ryoma's wife, Narasaki Ryo, even owned a ryokan (inn). Some could also choose to serve as miko (Shinto shrine maidens or priestesses) or Buddhist nuns. Heck, some could even be samurai or ninjas, like Tomoe Gozen. Their education was pretty decent as well - in fact a lot of fathers even paid for their daughters to receive extra education. Visitors from Europe were actually quite stunned at how widespread literacy was in the country, even in the countryside.
      Sure, women might not have had it as good as we do nowadays, but at the same time it wasn't the absolute worst.

    • @isobelduncan
      @isobelduncan 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Amphitera Mm... not really. Sure it wasn't as easy as it is now, but at the same time it wasn't the absolute worst. They could still work outside of the home, but it wasn't considered proper, and it was difficult, especially if they didn't have the money and support. Linfamy does mention this as well.

  • @als3022
    @als3022 Рік тому +2865

    To be fair in Japan at that time a wife had one other escape. Grow old enough to have a daughter in law for her son and then make HER life a living hell. You eventually became the mother in law if you survived and then it was fun time.

    • @bigfootpart4therevengeancing
      @bigfootpart4therevengeancing Рік тому +289

      "Life being what it is, one dreams of revenge."
      Unfortunately, Gauguin was right about many people.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Рік тому +78

      I know I would. Why let others have fun, and the life of their dreams while you were deprived of yours? It would be an absolute eyesore to see others have a happy life, while all you got was sh*t your entire life. If I can't have my happy life, then no one should.

    • @bigfootpart4therevengeancing
      @bigfootpart4therevengeancing Рік тому +285

      @@Evil_Beauty And that's another reason why the world is miserable: everybody is getting their revenge against the wrong people.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Рік тому

      @@bigfootpart4therevengeancing This is karmic debt. Nothing has EVER been fair in life. There are eople who were born with a blessed life since the start, while others couldn't even have something as simple as the most basic of basic sh*t to SURVIVE. Others are victims of tragedies that they did not deserve, while others are living the good life, carefree and completely oblivious towards other people's struggles while they are being glorified and loved by all those that are TOTALLY undeserving of such affections. And there are those who had everything come easy gor them, while others have to work their butts off just to get by. Who in their right mind wouldn't feel deep-seated resentment, and spitefulness for not only being wronged, but having to look at the cringe face of those optimistic pieces of sh*ts being coddled with nothing but blessed fortune? It makes me disgustingly sick and nauseating to see those kinds of people. And you wonder why the current state of the world is the way it is, if anything it only highlights the kind of ignorance I have previously mentioned about people not having a clue as to what goes on in the world. Because people like YOU only see what's in front of you. But that's why necessary evils are fair game. And I'm glad it exist to balance out this rotten universe.

    • @mightymeatymech
      @mightymeatymech Рік тому +168

      ​@@Evil_Beauty interesting. I definitely feel jealous of people with 'better' lives than mine, but my first gut instinct is always "good for you".
      There are two kinds of people in this world. The ones who say, "I went through it, so you have to, too" and the ones who say, "I won't let anyone go through that on my watch".
      I hope you're never in a position to enact that revenge on anyone, not even the people who earned your anger. It won't help anything.

  • @tandysaysyoucandoanything6758
    @tandysaysyoucandoanything6758 Рік тому +1206

    I’m learning Japanese and there are a few Japanese children’s songs that talk about sisters and nannies leaving to get married at 15. I bet life was very hard for girls back then 😭

    • @rebecamendez5456
      @rebecamendez5456 Рік тому +80

      Sadly A LOT of young girls still marry or are forced to marry young in a lot of countries.

    • @kittykittybangbang9367
      @kittykittybangbang9367 Рік тому +30

      ​@clotshot9459America

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 Рік тому

      @clotshot9459 I think any African country on the Sahel is likely filled with blatant corruption.

    • @DieAlteistwiederda
      @DieAlteistwiederda Рік тому +46

      ​@@kittykittybangbang9367true actually but xenophobic or racist people usually don't want to hear that. Also that usually it's a marriage between a young girl and an older guy because of course we don't want to talk about men being creeps either.

    • @longiusaescius2537
      @longiusaescius2537 Рік тому +2

      @DieAlteistwiederda so are you gonna source any claims or can non white countries do no wrong?

  • @totallynotafanficreader7850
    @totallynotafanficreader7850 Рік тому +1952

    As a woman, I am SO lucky to be living in the modern day (with the caveat that where I live respects women's rights, plenty of countries are still sexist as fuck). I don't care if you made me the richest lady in edo, or the victorian era, or whatever, nothing beats modern luxuries and human rights.

    • @CharmedWitch4
      @CharmedWitch4 Рік тому +70

      Same

    • @fixsationon7244
      @fixsationon7244 Рік тому +44

      ​@clotshot9459depends on the time period.

    • @dirindindin1
      @dirindindin1 Рік тому

      all your rights are rights that have been taken away from other people (privileges over others and the ability to be above others) you are a loser who is not able to compete in a fair fight where everyone has equal opportunities because you need more rights than others. you are a sexist who has been given the right to your sexism. funny fact. women did not feel disadvantaged either a hundred or a thousand years ago, they suffered on an equal basis with men

    • @purple66666
      @purple66666 Рік тому +166

      ​@clotshot9459bruh no one said anything to discredit men's strugle but I would rather die in a war than not even be considered human by today's standard

    • @toothless3835
      @toothless3835 Рік тому +67

      @clotshot9459 Ah, yes. Men had the duty to not die. It's a struggle alright. They could vote and had rights, but they had to make sure they didn't die.

  • @m.i7211
    @m.i7211 Рік тому +402

    Other people: “Lay your hands off her or I’ll kill you!!”
    Japanese: “Lay your hands off her or I’ll kill myself and come back to haunt you!!”

    • @MarkIsTiredAlways
      @MarkIsTiredAlways Рік тому +37

      I mean people actually believed in ghosts so that would be an actual threat

    • @m.i7211
      @m.i7211 Рік тому

      @@MarkIsTiredAlways Yeah both threats are equally frightening but I found it a bit funny that the Japanese manage to get themselves killed in the process.

    • @Initiallyleo
      @Initiallyleo 6 місяців тому +10

      I honestly thought the plot twist was that he’d move on to someone else while she suffered for their relationship, so it’s at least nice to know he didn’t see her as just a service provider. I feel like he could’ve just cut her down from the tree instead of threatening a double ghost situation, though…

    • @THECHEESELORD69
      @THECHEESELORD69 Місяць тому +1

      “NUH UH! I’ll kill my self after you haunt me and haunt you back!”

  • @AGS363
    @AGS363 Рік тому +933

    Why not both?
    It was not unheard that husbands used their wives as a second income by ordering them to work as a part-time w-ore!

    • @Linfamy
      @Linfamy  Рік тому +409

      Yep true, that also happened

    • @mattcgw
      @mattcgw Рік тому +245

      ​@@Linfamy that would be an insane circular ecomany.
      Husband's spending the wife's earnings as a prostitute on other husband's wife's that were prostitutes as well.
      Visa versa ad add Infinium in a circle.

    • @PsiJuicu
      @PsiJuicu Рік тому +48

      Damn women rights at its best

    • @artvulture456
      @artvulture456 Рік тому +126

      @ibisarenotbinchickens9846 what do you think the prostitutes were?

    • @Candyy248
      @Candyy248 Рік тому +17

      I thought of that too, but I thought maybe most husband felt jealous or something? 🤷

  • @BathersonMote
    @BathersonMote Рік тому +420

    Babies: The 401K of ancient Japan, and pretty much every other country. You put your money into both when you're young, wait for them to mature, then use them for a comfortable retirement.

    • @Lady_Chalk
      @Lady_Chalk Рік тому +12

      Oh my god I just lost my shit 🤣

    • @phastinemoon
      @phastinemoon Рік тому +39

      Difference is that 401k don’t wreck you physically, or grow up into being jerks, and you can have a 401k and cats and be way happier.

    • @annabellthedoll9953
      @annabellthedoll9953 Рік тому +3

      401K?

    • @Gildedmuse
      @Gildedmuse Рік тому +7

      ​@@annabellthedoll9953 Retirement fund

    • @BathersonMote
      @BathersonMote Рік тому +23

      @@phastinemoon That is true. On the other hand, you can't sell your 401K to a brothel if it annoys you.

  • @KHTimeProtecter
    @KHTimeProtecter Рік тому +316

    Props to Yonosuke for standing up for his girl. I hope he freed and married her.

  • @Sienisota
    @Sienisota Рік тому +497

    I'm so glad I was born itno culture and time where my genitalia doesn't determine my whole life. And where I don't have to serve and see myself as less than other half of humanity. The past was the worst.

    • @dannylo5875
      @dannylo5875 Рік тому +34

      You are made or born in a place where we have great civil rights. Others were not.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Рік тому

      So white privilege does exist. 🤪 But I can't say the present is any better. We still have the same o'l problems of the past, only difference is the attitude in how it is approached nowadays. Like, there are STILL asian families who abide by these silly outdated traditions of them being the deciding factor as to what path their child should take, or whom their child should marry because asian parents knows better for their child oh so well. 🤭

    • @marvelloustraveller3559
      @marvelloustraveller3559 Рік тому

      And what we achieved by coming out of that era ? Japan's birth rates have fallen drastically and Koreans might get extinct in 50-100 years .
      Giving womens freedom is like signing death contract for civilization.

    • @luna-mt7sf
      @luna-mt7sf Рік тому +47

      Sadly some women in the world are still suffering until now , we're sure very lucky , until u hear about women in Afghanistan, she's forbidden from education yet she's not allowed to go to a male doctor , make it make sense

    • @Devilcakes
      @Devilcakes Рік тому +11

      I mean... we're still a fair way into still of that prudish, strict time.
      But it is greatly changed by now.

  • @Lili-cc7pz
    @Lili-cc7pz Рік тому +396

    From this video, it almost seems like the choice is to be either the property of your husband (suppress emotions, obedient maid and baby breeder) or the property of your boss (not allowed to fall in love, terrible working conditions, but no need to submit to men). Either way you have no freedom. I don't know which is worse

    • @Lanval_de_Lai
      @Lanval_de_Lai Рік тому +35

      I think the way it's just being lucky with your husband. At least that was the way when we had a dictatorship in my country that imposed similar values.
      That or being clever and/or very bossy. I talk based in my experience seeing grandpas XD

    • @bgos4727
      @bgos4727 Рік тому +47

      @@Lanval_de_Lai or poisoning him slowly and taking his money. Easier than being miserable all my life

    • @yesthatmousyiris4887
      @yesthatmousyiris4887 Рік тому +35

      @@Lanval_de_Lai Agree if the husband is a decent man and husband (And good in laws) the wife route in edo japan would've been ok.

    • @ironcauldrontarot
      @ironcauldrontarot Рік тому +22

      Their "job" was literally to submit to men.

    • @goodmorning2386
      @goodmorning2386 Рік тому +2

      Fuck ikr? Like idk what I’d choose, both seem awful

  • @gamergirl209
    @gamergirl209 Рік тому +160

    I know it's not the same, but we had to read a book in high school about a Chinese man that just left me pissed off. His whole thing was that he farmed and couldn't afford a pretty wife. Until he managed to make enough money to become important in the village. So even though he had a son or two from his wife whom he hated, he went to brothels and eventually brought home a second wife. Who gave him a daughter. Which he didn't call daughter, but only referred to as slave. It was the one book that I refused to read the whole book. As an avid reader, I read the condensed version because it made me so angry

    • @AzuraTarot
      @AzuraTarot Рік тому +24

      sounds like the story of Wanglong and his family by Pearl S. Buck. She was the daughter of european missionaries and wrote many books about life in China.

    • @joltjolt5060
      @joltjolt5060 Рік тому +5

      The good earth?

    • @Moonsapphire419
      @Moonsapphire419 Рік тому +4

      Drop the title

  • @officialgremlin
    @officialgremlin Рік тому +1772

    me: medieval life seems so peaceful, back when everything was simple and happy
    also me: please ensure that i never end up in the past, ever
    edit: MOM IM FAMOUS

    • @killianmotto2684
      @killianmotto2684 Рік тому +22

      But Edo period isn't medieval?

    • @officialgremlin
      @officialgremlin Рік тому +34

      @@killianmotto2684 *historical

    • @Ass_of_Amalek
      @Ass_of_Amalek Рік тому +56

      happy? what gave you THAT idea?
      fuck medieval times. nabataean petra seems nice though.

    • @Candyy248
      @Candyy248 Рік тому +58

      Happy? Simple?
      Ahmmm peaceful??
      I think we have different concept of these 3 words v:

    • @Pollicina_db
      @Pollicina_db Рік тому +32

      Alrighty when it comes to Europe throughout its medieval history we had: bubonic plague, inquisition, witch-hunt, 30 and 100 year wars, feudalism, vikings stealing and killing, ottoman empire attacking europe, templars destroying jerusalem etc. bare in mind that it last for roughly 1000 years, a lot of good things happend, but also many bad and bloody things.

  • @zainmudassir2964
    @zainmudassir2964 Рік тому +619

    Honestly if i had a daughter I would encourage her to pursue what she likes. It seems they genuinely saw their own child not as a person but a possession to eventually give away

    • @jewel65
      @jewel65 Рік тому +45

      Some parents want their children to be taken care of, have a settled life.

    • @HavianEla
      @HavianEla Рік тому +128

      While I agree, this is thinking of our time. Obviously, the thinking of people in medieval Japan is going to be, well, *medieval*. Sure, there may have been a few odd families that think the way we do, but that wasn’t the standard thought process, the norm, back then.
      Again, I’m not disagreeing with you! Just think we have to acknowledge the historical perspective.

    • @miscalotastuff733
      @miscalotastuff733 Рік тому

      Women were property period. Amongst abrahamic religions this view still exists. They arent viewed as humans but as something usefull. Women were and are viewed as women by thier use not thier gender. If you arent usefull or lose certain parts your identity as female disappears.

    • @stuffynosepatrol
      @stuffynosepatrol Рік тому +47

      @@jewel65 raise your kids right and you can have them be taken care of while also letting them choose what they want in life.

    • @blugaledoh2669
      @blugaledoh2669 Рік тому

      @@stuffynosepatrol I doubt they were much option for girls.

  • @rockinrootbeer1795
    @rockinrootbeer1795 Рік тому +374

    As amazing as these videos are, I also feel drained after watching them, because I would've most likely had to live one of these lifestyles if I were born in that time period and place. It's really depressing thinking about how it's all up to chance and what equipment you were born with between the legs that determines how others treat you. Sure, there's still all sorts of issues today for all kinds of people, but I'm thankful that my worth isn't _completely_ tied to my physical attributes.
    It also helps that I have a few important people who support my decision to express myself how I want to be, even if a lot of other people don’t quite understand it.
    Thanks for taking the time to make this high quality and informative video!
    Edit: grammar fixes

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Рік тому

      I don't feel drained after watching this at all. If anything, I feel more informed, and enlightened at the fact at pathetically simple-minded life were back then. And is even still till now. P*ssy, and sex sells, even in the past. Nothing different today. If you got the goods, you're set for life. Better than being that ugly child that should've been aborted living out on the streets feeling unloved.

    • @JeantheSecond
      @JeantheSecond Рік тому +22

      The misogyny throughout history is truly exhausting.

  • @nairav9156
    @nairav9156 Рік тому +39

    No idea how YT figured out that I wanted Linfamys content in my life, but I'm 11 videos in and can't stop now.

  • @TheCrimsonElite666
    @TheCrimsonElite666 Рік тому +215

    I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on how vampires and succubi\incubi became so popular in Japan that they basically went native and got their own Japanese names (the former were given the name "Kyūketsuki" or "bloodsucking demon", while the latter two were given the name "Inma" or "lewd demon").

    • @toomanymarys7355
      @toomanymarys7355 Рік тому +12

      Every culture has them. Even the Sumerians.

    • @TheCrimsonElite666
      @TheCrimsonElite666 Рік тому +19

      @@toomanymarys7355 Yes, but not for the Japanese since while there are yokai with similar features to them, they are still treated as distinct beings. The closest thing to vampires in Japanese mythology are nikusui, but the latter sucks meat rather than blood and they don't possess the weaknesses of the former. As for succubi, the only yokai with remotely similar features to them are kitsune, but needless to say, they are completely different beings.

    • @LaydiNite
      @LaydiNite Рік тому +6

      @@TheCrimsonElite666 Jorogumo are spider-demons that function like a succubus, and there are several others that use an alluring appearance to lure in victims, like the Nure Onna.
      As for vampiric creatures, Nukekubi and Iso Onna would apply, though the latter is closer to something like a Nixie, in my opinion.

  • @animangafan342
    @animangafan342 Рік тому +71

    The problem i see with a husband going to the pleasure district, is the STDs he's bringing home to the mother of his children. Those can also infect children during childbirth. Prostistutes had so much syphilis, especially before penicillin.

    • @moistmarader5595
      @moistmarader5595 Рік тому +11

      perhaps that's why he was expected to stay monogamous with one courtesan, to prevent spreading?

    • @animangafan342
      @animangafan342 Рік тому +16

      @moistmarader5595 how many people used that courtesan, tho? The courtesan by trade could not be monogamous.

    • @emilybarclay8831
      @emilybarclay8831 Рік тому +13

      High ranking courtesans with wealthy clients could be monogamous, but obviously lower class prostitutes had no such luxury

    • @yesthatmousyiris4887
      @yesthatmousyiris4887 Рік тому

      It can still spread cause courtesans needed to see multiple clients to make money.@@moistmarader5595

  • @tacitus_
    @tacitus_ Рік тому +92

    They also had the option of being a maid, which was like combining the two other paths.

    • @phoenix72999
      @phoenix72999 Рік тому +2

      😂💀

    • @isobelduncan
      @isobelduncan 5 місяців тому +1

      Partially true. They could also work as teachers, or even in shops. Some even worked alongside their husbands in the family business. It wasn't impossible for them to have their own jobs, it was just difficult and generally not considered "proper."

  • @Lucious410
    @Lucious410 Рік тому +80

    😅 I'm so happy I'm living in this time. It's not perfect, but it's better for women. Thanks for sharing.

    • @isobelduncan
      @isobelduncan 5 місяців тому

      The Edo period wasn't too different in that regard really, sure it was harder than it is nowadays. But it wasn't ancient Athens level bad. They *could* have other jobs outside of the home, but it was generally wasn't considered "proper" and it was hard if you didn't have the support or the money.

  • @cmarlow2200
    @cmarlow2200 Рік тому +214

    Please, make a video on how the economy was transformed during the Eco period. There were many innovations that took place in Japan, like the rice futures market in Osaka (first derivates market in the world). And also, how the thrilling economy and the peace gave bird to an incredible cultural evolution. I love your work btw :) Thanks!

    • @cmarlow2200
      @cmarlow2200 Рік тому +1

      *Edo

    • @bigorna4875
      @bigorna4875 Рік тому +1

      He already has a couple of videos more about the economic side, not especially the rice future market. But, yeah the rice future market would be interesting

    • @ferretyluv
      @ferretyluv Рік тому

      Pretty sure tulip mania predated that.

    • @Candyy248
      @Candyy248 Рік тому +2

      Eco period, my favourite period, very ecologic ☺️

    • @cmarlow2200
      @cmarlow2200 Рік тому

      @@ferretyluv Tulip mania has nothing to do with a futures market, if that's what you are referring to.

  • @gaiusoctaviues9899
    @gaiusoctaviues9899 Рік тому +47

    The story about the guy who said he killed himself if his girl wasent let go was suprisingly sweet.

    • @MarkIsTiredAlways
      @MarkIsTiredAlways Рік тому +6

      The only wholesome story the others are not so wholesome

  • @Gildedmuse
    @Gildedmuse Рік тому +118

    You read that morality guide and all I could think was, "right, so just be as boring and bland as possible." Honestly, teasing is how me and my partner show affection.

    • @kittystrawbery5464
      @kittystrawbery5464 Рік тому +2

      "Yes, husband...😌
      Here's your dinner, husband. I love you.❤....
      ....Yes.....
      Ok.....🙂"

    • @nonamepasserbya6658
      @nonamepasserbya6658 11 місяців тому

      No talking doesn't mean never talk to him, back then it actually means no gossiping.

    • @AUniqueHandleName444
      @AUniqueHandleName444 5 місяців тому

      @@kittystrawbery5464 Sooo wholesome and even-keeled? Sounds awful

  • @pepita2437
    @pepita2437 Рік тому +17

    'They had this idea that children owed a debt of gratitude to the parents"
    You have no idea how hard life was before industrialization.
    My great grandma grew up before the industrialization of Romania started. Esp in rural areas, women had a lot to do to be able to maintain the family, and home. Every week she had to bake bread for the whole family, she had to wash the clothes of very family member with hand. She had to cook, take care of the animals they had, while her husband was working. At the same time she had to babysit the children, and do the housework. She had to go to the market, to buy food, and some of the cases they even had to spun their own textile.
    She had to prepare for the winter, preserve food, marinate vegetables, cook jam, and put it away. Had to help with the agricultural jobs if needed. At the same time, she had to take care of her own old parents.
    While not the extent Japanese believed, but children owed a debt of gratitude in those times. It took a lots of work, self sacrifice, and even knowledge from the part of the mother to be able to manage the home.

  • @MustachioMan111
    @MustachioMan111 Рік тому +42

    Kind of obvious, but it’s very interesting how some of these values translate today into things like Idol and Vtuber culture

    • @rockinrootbeer1795
      @rockinrootbeer1795 Рік тому +25

      And that's just on a wider scale. There's also the negative stereotype where women take _forever_ to get ready to go out because they have to do their hair, make up, and pick the perfect outfit. Good on them if they _want_ to do that (and aren't intentionally inconveniencing others), but as soon as others start saying they _have_ to do that, then it can be a problem.
      They're being bashed for taking a long time to get ready when they may not even want to do but feel socially obligated to or were told at a young age by family, friends, or social media "this is just what women do and should do."
      Don't get me wrong, self-care _is_ important, but when your self-worth is tied to what others think you look like with multiple frivolous masks on, then it's just getting to the point of ridiculousness.
      * *cough* *
      Sorry, I went on a bit of a rant there.

  • @alexvig2369
    @alexvig2369 Рік тому +121

    That's not only a Japanese thing. It was like that in European societies as well. The Russian author Dostoyevsky even explicitly wrote that: "a woman has two choices. Either to become a wife, or a prostitute."
    People from before the modern era would describe many of today's single ladies as s-x workers...

    • @RuRaynor
      @RuRaynor Рік тому +21

      Yep and all of the canonical 5 Jack the Ripper victims had been married before being widowed or left by their husbands, forcing them to seek sex work.

    • @KateeAngel
      @KateeAngel Рік тому +4

      Or a nun? That is the best choice

    • @alexvig2369
      @alexvig2369 Рік тому

      @@KateeAngel unironically, I agree. Though, the percentage of women willing to go down this path from a young is abysmally low.
      I don't really count as True Nuns former hookers and sl_ts who "saw the light of Jesus one day."

    • @みゆき-s6g6x
      @みゆき-s6g6x Рік тому +7

      @@KateeAngel Indeed, religious hermitage is, in my opinion, the best route. It's a pity that it was something limited to mostly European, Christian nations. Nunnery was not an impossible route in Asia but it was not...as easy or lauded as it was in medieval Europe. Even in medieval Europe, it took a couple of enturies for it be as acceptable for women to enter religious hermitage.

    • @andrewpatton5114
      @andrewpatton5114 3 місяці тому +1

      @@みゆき-s6g6x But woe to the consecrated virgin who broke her vows. A fallen nun was seen as more shameful than a prostitute. Consider that even though being raped was not a sin, Dante consigned nuns who allowed themselves to be raped instead of dying resisting to the lowest sphere of Heaven.

  • @mattcgw
    @mattcgw Рік тому +37

    I'm disappointed that linfamy didn't copy paste a picture of Ehren over mikasa's boyfriend.
    It would've been funny.

  • @j.h-j5j
    @j.h-j5j Рік тому +29

    I love these video illustrations. I wonder if Linfamy makes them himself. I would like to see him draw them. But I would like more to learn to draw them.

  • @paxguino
    @paxguino Рік тому +8

    Magnific as always, thank you

  • @jeanfalconer6377
    @jeanfalconer6377 Рік тому +10

    Humour on point as always. Thank you.

  • @Anubis30224
    @Anubis30224 Рік тому +4

    OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! I got to the part where you say "they had one job that was more important: obedience" and before obedience was said a fucking dishwasher commercial popped up

  • @Rainomai
    @Rainomai Рік тому +25

    How many more edo period women videos will we get? I’m not complaining at all I actually enjoy these videos A LOT

  • @TheMuseSway
    @TheMuseSway Рік тому +37

    I can't help but wonder the STD rate during those time periods. I feel like there has to be some cheating going on other than a man having a wife and a side chick and were expected to loyal to both. 😂

    • @anti.bctards7376
      @anti.bctards7376 Рік тому +10

      It was very common in the entertainment district. Most pros, even Oirans died around their early 20’s and their skeletons had signs of STDS.

  • @robloxnoob4098
    @robloxnoob4098 Рік тому +5

    I come back after 3 years of not watching your videos and I still see your talking about Japanese wives

  • @jaeboogie2786
    @jaeboogie2786 Рік тому +6

    I love the way he say "babies" it's so funny and cute.

  • @HypaBumfuzzle
    @HypaBumfuzzle Рік тому +4

    Yayyy, a lovely treat for my day off, thank you

  • @OrchidLuvsU
    @OrchidLuvsU Рік тому +6

    I liked the fact you put kny scenes from the red light district arc! :D I rlly liked that arc, it's my fav >_

  • @NatalieAliciaNorment
    @NatalieAliciaNorment Рік тому +6

    I believe this video finalized my fate on having daughters with someone who could portray himself as a male courtesan from one of my short stories in a film someday, but first I must find him.

  • @Lady_Chalk
    @Lady_Chalk Рік тому +40

    4:40 What manga is that? It looks really good!!
    5:07 And beautifully written! The mangaka did their research!

    • @Linfamy
      @Linfamy  Рік тому +42

      It's called Worth a Billion: Modern-Day Courtesan.
      Actually, it's not the original text. I replaced all the speech text with my own 😅

    • @Lady_Chalk
      @Lady_Chalk Рік тому +3

      @@Linfamy Aw man, I really wanted it to be written like that!

    • @adzi6164
      @adzi6164 Рік тому +2

      ...it truly felt like a shitpost, yeah XD

  • @dominicadrean2160
    @dominicadrean2160 Рік тому +253

    Watching your videos on this kind of stuff makes me think of medieval onlyfans😅😂

  • @rcscs26
    @rcscs26 Рік тому +4

    Yay!!!!!!! Thank you for the another awesome
    Video!

  • @arnonum7455
    @arnonum7455 Місяць тому +1

    You are one of the best storytellers. 😅
    Even if I'm not a native english speaker, I had to giggle a lot. Thx

  • @specialsmithchick
    @specialsmithchick Рік тому +16

    LOVE LOVE LOVE Your Videos❣️ I hope you consider making videos of other nations’ histories.

  • @MikaelaKMajorHistory
    @MikaelaKMajorHistory Рік тому +45

    Idk why talking too much was always seen as a bad thing for wives back then in Asia. I know in Korea in the Joseon period, one of the legal reasons a man could divorce his wife was if she talked too much.
    BUT a man couldn’t divorce his wife if she always obeyed her in-laws and mourned them for a period of time after their death.

    • @dyllanfreiheit6330
      @dyllanfreiheit6330 Рік тому +6

      Same in pre-modern China. Traditionally, a man could divorce his wife if she either:
      1. Disobey her in-laws
      2. Failed to give him a child (idk if a daughter counts as a "child")
      3. Cheated on him
      4. Too jealous
      5. Have contagious disease
      6. Steals his possessions
      7. TALKS TOO MUCH
      ("A decent woman should be seen, not heard", maybe this is why talking too much is a bad thing)
      But he couldn't divorce his wife if she either:
      1. Mourns a full 3 yrs period for one of her deceased in-laws
      2. Married him while he was poor, and now he's rich/powerful
      3. Her original family is gone(either dead or moved away), if divorced, she'd have no home to return to

    • @MikaelaKMajorHistory
      @MikaelaKMajorHistory Рік тому +5

      @@dyllanfreiheit6330 in Korea, the “failed to give him a child” was specified as a son in some cases, so maybe.
      Also I found out that in Korea, the taking too much specifically meant gossip. So a wife could talk her husband’s ear off but she could not be found gossiping about the family because doing so would ruin the family’s reputation.

    • @dyllanfreiheit6330
      @dyllanfreiheit6330 Рік тому +5

      @@MikaelaKMajorHistory Same in China, a wife could dominate her husband by talking his ears off, guiding him to be a better person(doing so will even be praised), but gossiping is defiately a no-no.

    • @iasked9392
      @iasked9392 7 місяців тому +1

      you mean east asia. SEA had quite a flexibility when it comes to gender roles and sexuality (before the spread of islam).

    • @MikaelaKMajorHistory
      @MikaelaKMajorHistory 7 місяців тому

      @@iasked9392 yes you’re right

  • @mattcgw
    @mattcgw Рік тому +31

    I would really appreciate and like to know how much or expensive these contracts were.
    Like did they have a yearly average payoff? For example 1 year of a 25 year mortgage kind've deal?
    Or average year income compered to a basic cost of the contract.

    • @medcastrophilip544
      @medcastrophilip544 Рік тому +8

      Same ive wondered this too. Does it even ever get payed off? Or does the owner keep adding intrest as the year goes by making it impossible to be bought out.

    • @isobelduncan
      @isobelduncan 5 місяців тому

      Depending on how popular she was, a courtesan's contract could cost as much as a small palace. A geisha's contract would not as dear but still pretty expensive. In fact towards the end of the Edo period tayuu (high-ranking, elite courtesans) became very rare because barely anyone could afford them.

  • @mathieuleader8601
    @mathieuleader8601 Рік тому +6

    the dual yellow roads made me think of a retelling of the Wizard of Oz where the main character lands in a feudal Oz

  • @alex_zetsu
    @alex_zetsu Рік тому +44

    0:42 As fun as these videos are, you're right the channel has gotten to these a lot more. I wouldn't mind you getting back to your history of Japan series. Not make it push out all the other topics, but maybe 3 a year so we can get to the early Ashikaga Shogunate?

    • @halfbakedblake
      @halfbakedblake Рік тому

      I agree, loved your history videos. Why I'm here today

  • @OssamabinKenny
    @OssamabinKenny Рік тому +28

    Did you know, Sakata Gintoki is the representation of Japan’s Lost Generation?

    • @annabellthedoll9953
      @annabellthedoll9953 Рік тому +3

      No, but that sounds so interesting to hear about.

    • @nidohime6233
      @nidohime6233 Рік тому +1

      He was in the series, he grew up in a time where the world was strugling with the alien oppression, and he was part of the rebels who lost.

    • @OssamabinKenny
      @OssamabinKenny Рік тому

      @@nidohime6233 Which “series?”
      Has this channel done a video on Gintama?!!

  • @stevenedmund5680
    @stevenedmund5680 Рік тому +6

    LIKED another great video that was fun to watch

    • @Linfamy
      @Linfamy  Рік тому +2

      Glad you like :)

  • @cameronmacdonald772
    @cameronmacdonald772 Рік тому +8

    You killed me with "3D printer of meat." 🤣

  • @PhilieBlunt666
    @PhilieBlunt666 Рік тому +8

    Oh man, no matter the subject ya always make me giggle my dude

  • @SprinkleMyDoughnuts
    @SprinkleMyDoughnuts Рік тому +24

    I probably would have killed myself if I was born during this time period as a woman.

    • @Kibatsume1
      @Kibatsume1 Рік тому +5

      Unlikely ,if you were born during that era you would know no other way .
      it would be normal in your eyes

    • @SprinkleMyDoughnuts
      @SprinkleMyDoughnuts Рік тому +18

      @@Kibatsume1 I mean, I was also raised in a very heteronormative society and still came out as a lesbian and rebelled against traditional gender roles despite it being the norm. So still, either I would have killed myself during that time period or I would have rebelled against it in some shape or form. With my personality, these things would have been more likely than me simply being ok with it.

    • @jesusbarrera6916
      @jesusbarrera6916 Рік тому +4

      @@SprinkleMyDoughnuts no, you would fall in line like 99% of the rest...
      people love to think they are special because they just so happen to like something different in an age were nobody gives a hoot about your preferences

    • @the9970
      @the9970 Рік тому +1

      @@jesusbarrera6916 I'd say endure through it would fit better ngl. Said person would probably have a horrible life though unfortunately due to the circumstances of the time.

    • @YahomieRevil
      @YahomieRevil 10 місяців тому +3

      ​@SprinkleMyDoughnuts So, who would you rebel with. You wouldn't be able to different society. Even if you did they would all see you as weird for disrespecting normality.

  • @NoahKaneYhen
    @NoahKaneYhen Рік тому +1

    Thx linfamy now im addicted to ur channel😔🤙

  • @raykotyan
    @raykotyan Рік тому +11

    God I really wanna learn more about system in those Japanese brothels
    I mean isn’t courtesans there were having ranks? And what about routine of courtesans? What instruments did they play to entertain clients? What clothes did they wore? How even looked Red Light District? And about structure of those brother buildings..

    • @isobelduncan
      @isobelduncan 5 місяців тому

      He's done a whole video on this. You just have to search his channel.

  • @Jobe-13
    @Jobe-13 Рік тому +15

    Sex work in Edo Japan seems so fascinating to me. Especially how they were expected to be omnisavants.

  • @BlueberryFundip
    @BlueberryFundip Рік тому +13

    Lmfao, both roads sounded like pain😅

  • @share.theworld
    @share.theworld Рік тому +18

    I watched your videos about kamakura period and thought hmm how did the japanese people live in the edo period, did things change? 🤔 then you posted this

  • @yamisarkar91
    @yamisarkar91 Рік тому +1

    😅😅😅Wooo Soo was like today 🤣🤣🤣ohhh Soo sad this cycle. Linfamy should write ✍️ books 📚...i love it.

  • @tastefullynerdy1161
    @tastefullynerdy1161 9 місяців тому +1

    Amazing video and boy it must have sucked being a woman in Edo period Japan.
    Also what's the manga in the section on courtesan life called, the artwork is gorgeous!

  • @sarahisatitagain
    @sarahisatitagain Рік тому +13

    Can you tell us the manga source you used for the courtesan image? Specially the one she says "my head is too heavy"

    • @Linfamy
      @Linfamy  Рік тому +15

      It's called Worth a Billion: Modern-Day Courtesan. Actually, the speech text in all those panels are not the original, I replace them all with my own 😅

  • @eyuelnegash2681
    @eyuelnegash2681 Рік тому +4

    Linfamy you are the funniest history teacher👍✌

  • @monikacau01234
    @monikacau01234 Рік тому +2

    Wow... i am glad i was born in modern day....
    Have you heard of hitobashira? It is also wild back then

  • @starwoodanime1532
    @starwoodanime1532 Рік тому

    Ohhhh perfect idea for a movie

  • @luislozano6073
    @luislozano6073 Рік тому +1

    I'm taking notes on this.

  • @May_Green
    @May_Green Рік тому +11

    I wonder what's the retirement plan for courtesans in that era. The job span seems to similar with athletes, so the career paths after they hit 30s-40s maybe similar.

    • @shinoame
      @shinoame Рік тому +19

      Many died young because of venereal deseases, as they grew older they lost appeal and also became harder to earn a living, so would probably die in poverty. However perhaps they could became the owners of a brothel, but I'm not sure about that

    • @May_Green
      @May_Green Рік тому +11

      @@shinoame I was thinking some who survive may become a brothel owner or teacher. But yeah I guess the future was gloomy for most of them..

    • @emybarker20
      @emybarker20 Рік тому +1

      Amazing cat in the box!!!
      Yeah I think it’s worth looking at longevity during that time anwyway
      Might not get that old cause sexual diseases

  • @A13X_H_22
    @A13X_H_22 Рік тому +28

    Linfamy please research reactions after the atomic bomb. Iv heard main land Japanese say they surrendered because of the bomb. And iv also heard troops in China/Asia say they surrendered because of Russia.
    I think that would be a great topic to explore

    • @dannylo5875
      @dannylo5875 Рік тому +1

      They could drop three good things at the same time. But they only dropped two not four.

    • @WolfgangDoW
      @WolfgangDoW Рік тому +1

      Japan surrendered MULTIPLE times before the atomic bombs were dropped. They just asked to keep their emperor, ever if they had zero power and was just a name
      USA wanted an unconditional surrender though

    • @Eanki_
      @Eanki_ Рік тому +1

      Your populace felt the power of the atomic bomb. Your troops abroad did not. Japanese cities were getting bombed daily. What was the difference to your troops. So you tell your populace you surrender because of the atomic bomb.
      Your populace did not suffer from Russians. Your troops abroad did. So you tell your troops abroad you surrendered because of the Russians.

  • @izabelreis5274
    @izabelreis5274 Рік тому +1

    So mind-blowing!!!

  • @canteventhough
    @canteventhough Рік тому

    This is gold.

  • @Candyy248
    @Candyy248 Рік тому +4

    My goodness what complicated times were these v:

  • @vio9105
    @vio9105 Рік тому +1

    08:40 I've been wondering where those screenshots are from that are being used throughout the video. Does anyone know?

  • @infinitechibi1496
    @infinitechibi1496 Рік тому +9

    I wonder if one would successfully be able to run away and disguise oneself as a man, take a low tier job thats sure to be needing an extra hand and live like that? I wonder how feasible such an idea would be.

    • @Pooky1991
      @Pooky1991 Рік тому

      I remember reading about women, usually more well off women disguising themselves as men in male dominated societies like this. I would love to see a video about those people.

    • @Human-san
      @Human-san Рік тому

      Probably happened

  • @mrkshply
    @mrkshply Рік тому +6

    Confirming: I heard "3D printer of meat"?

  • @Candyy248
    @Candyy248 Рік тому +6

    Buying tofu?!! Oh no pls no 😢
    That is so cruel 😢😢

  • @aurelio5768
    @aurelio5768 Рік тому +1

    Ok great video as usual, but what manga are the pics from?? :0

  • @isobelduncan
    @isobelduncan 5 місяців тому

    People, please bear in mind that Linfamy's video here is mainly about prostitution at the time.
    He does also briefly that women at the time did have the option of serving at a temple or a shrine, and that it wasn't technically impossible for them to earn their own income, but it was difficult. So, it's not really that marriage or prostitution were their *only* options, but more they were just the *easiest* ones. Especially if you were poor. It wasn't that different in the West either. So yes it *was* tough( it was for men too) but at the same time it wasn't The Handmaid's Tale.

  • @prettyevil6662000
    @prettyevil6662000 Рік тому +6

    I love that men just couldn't even stay faithful to their prostitute so a whole profession was created to fix their messed up top knots.

  • @darraghchapman
    @darraghchapman Рік тому +3

    What's the anime shown at 7:00 and 8:31? I assume it's an anime and not just single pictures. Really cool lighting and ambiance.

    • @Linfamy
      @Linfamy  Рік тому +4

      Demon Slayer. I've never watched, but it's popular.

    • @elylioney6390
      @elylioney6390 Рік тому

      ​@@Linfamywatch it, both of you

    • @Linfamy
      @Linfamy  Рік тому

      @@elylioney6390 make me

    • @darraghchapman
      @darraghchapman Рік тому

      @@Linfamy Thanks!

  • @rebel.taylord
    @rebel.taylord Рік тому +17

    I cannot imagine living during those times. I live in Asian and it's moderately conservative over here.
    My parents taught daughters should do chores while sons are kings. I turned out to be a fiercely independent, bisexual, childfree, atheist that fought my asian parents for my freedom. They don't approve of my lifestyle choice so we're now low contact. Fine by me.
    If I lived during Edo Japan, I will either off myself or turn into a terrorist and take out as many of those misogynistic AH as I can lol. Everything in this video is my worst nightmare.

    • @Yuri_fantasia
      @Yuri_fantasia 7 місяців тому

      Me too, me too thier girl!! Call it like it is!!

  • @Belgand
    @Belgand Рік тому +1

    You had me at "kon kon". But seriously, could you please tell us what manga that is? It looks interesting.

  • @sohrabroozbahani4700
    @sohrabroozbahani4700 Рік тому +3

    Loki's children... I kinda feel like I can see that courtesan culture still very present in some global cultural phenomenon ( sorry I know you have a problem with this word but I had to use it anyway) maybe the entire contract minus the sex work but man do they carry that tradition and dial it up to industrial level... like... wow...

  • @Hag_of_Fangorn
    @Hag_of_Fangorn Рік тому +11

    Men have always been so fragile all over the world.

    • @fvwak
      @fvwak Рік тому

      I really dont understand why and when women started to be treaten like that.
      Maybe bc mens nature us see a woman just a sex toy?

  • @shaggyzor
    @shaggyzor Рік тому

    The images in way of the courtisan. Are those from a manga and if so, which one?

  • @unknowncreature-0069
    @unknowncreature-0069 Рік тому +5

    In all honesty I'd probably end up as a shrine maiden

  • @mcmona4171
    @mcmona4171 Рік тому +8

    The way it was like some crazy dystopian, like the handmaid's tale but in real life. It is both interesting and disgusting the way women were treated like the inferior sex.

    • @Kibatsume1
      @Kibatsume1 Рік тому

      And we are reverting back to it.
      Europe a 17 year old raped a girl, only got community service because he's under 25 .
      A girl was sodomized in the bathroom of her school, the male is being let off the hook because he identifies as a woman .
      Two teenage students had the hell beat out of them by a fully grown male in the girls room,
      there again who identified as a woman getting a slap-on-the-wrist. Despite video footage of it!!

    • @isobelduncan
      @isobelduncan 5 місяців тому +1

      Not really. Remember the video is mainly about the red light district. Marriage and prostitution weren't the *only* options for women back then, but they were the *easiest*. They could still earn their own income in other ways e.g domestic servants, teaching, shops, waitressing, some could even own their own business like Sakamoto Ryouma's wife, Narasaki Ryo who owned a ryokan (inn). Some even worked in family businesses alongside their husband. And their education was actually pretty decent too; some fathers even paid for their daughters to receive extra education. And if they wanted, they could always become a miko (Shinto shrine maiden) or a Buddhist nun. Sure, it wasn't as easy as it is nowadays, but it wasn't the absolute worst. History has a lot of room for nuance.

  • @francinebacone1455
    @francinebacone1455 Рік тому +3

    I LOVE this channel. I wont even expect you to marry me.

  • @leahfernandez8902
    @leahfernandez8902 9 місяців тому

    Watching this made me understand Daki's role and resentment of humans somehow.

  • @src175
    @src175 Рік тому

    This kinda sounds like im complaining, but will you like, ever get to the Muromachi and Azuchi periods, or are you just gonna skip to the Edo?

  • @DQ_Mine
    @DQ_Mine Рік тому +23

    To be fair, Christians and Muslims have many of the same attitudes toward women. Still. Today.

  • @SomaelTentacleHair
    @SomaelTentacleHair Рік тому +1

    Now I feel like being disobedient against everything.

  • @Champagneartistico
    @Champagneartistico Рік тому +1

    @Linfamy thanks so much! Could you please name the manga that you are showing in the video? Thanks

    • @Linfamy
      @Linfamy  Рік тому

      Worth a Billion: Modern-Day Courtesan ;)

  • @henryattfield8979
    @henryattfield8979 Рік тому

    I have a question, what was the blind, wall thing that japanese emporors spoke behind?

  • @temporary4852
    @temporary4852 Рік тому +1

    nice to see you keep doing this type of content,have a good one friend:)

  • @pomf666
    @pomf666 Рік тому +1

    Can you do a video in the future about わら人形 ?

  • @samwill7259
    @samwill7259 Рік тому +35

    Remember
    You owe your parent nothing. You did not ask to be born and they do not owe any kind of gratitude for giving birth to you or raising you. That's a choice THEY made, not you.
    Live to make yourself happy and satisfied. If that diverges with what your parents "want for you", find a better family.

    • @blugaledoh2669
      @blugaledoh2669 Рік тому +9

      I have to disagree somewhat.
      It is true that parent have an obligation to take care of their children but there is no specific rules as to how. But any good parent would do the best and go above just the bare minimum to raise a child.
      Lastly, any good relationship require reciprocity. While I am not suggesting your family should dictate your life, you in fact owe your parent something which is care and respect.
      Many people bring up that children never consent to being born but there is problem with that idea.
      Like let do it reverse, can a baby consent to their abortion?
      Also, the lack of consent doesn’t always mean you free from certain obligations.

    • @samwill7259
      @samwill7259 Рік тому +10

      @@blugaledoh2669 That entirely depends on the parents. If your parents are acting like this, especially in the modern day, or are otherwise abusive in any other way.
      Screw 'em.

    • @blugaledoh2669
      @blugaledoh2669 Рік тому

      @@samwill7259 well yeah true

    • @andrewpatton5114
      @andrewpatton5114 3 місяці тому

      You have a responsibility to care for them in their old age/infirmity. You have a duty to obey their rules while you live in their house. You do not have a duty to follow the life path they chose for you.

    • @samwill7259
      @samwill7259 3 місяці тому

      @@andrewpatton5114 You actually don't have any obligation for that first thing, especially abusers

  • @TheDramacist
    @TheDramacist Рік тому +22

    Men: historically awful to women (and the kids).

    • @AureliusLaurentius1099
      @AureliusLaurentius1099 Рік тому +7

      Historically, life was aweful for everyone.
      Men either had to do hard labor or fight in wars or conflicts
      Even if you were rich, food was sub standard and medicine was crap, meaning accidentally clipping your finger is a death sentence.

    • @ss-ds2dn
      @ss-ds2dn Рік тому +17

      @@AureliusLaurentius1099 yeah but women as a gender have never put men through what men put women through physically/psychologically/legally, on top of life being hard on everyone. Women also did labor throughout history, much of it hard relative to their strength (on top of astronomical amounts of unpaid labor) and women also died in wars even if they didn't fight. I'm all for coming together and lord knows I'll shut people down if they casually say all men have it easy, but it's never gonna work if it's based on false equivalences.

    • @blugaledoh2669
      @blugaledoh2669 Рік тому +1

      @@ss-ds2dn yeah I agree

  • @deathbunny3542
    @deathbunny3542 Рік тому +1

    Could you make a video about the KuneKune?

  • @vipernest2136
    @vipernest2136 Рік тому +1

    whats the name of the manga you used for some of the images?

  • @damakameliowa34
    @damakameliowa34 Рік тому +5

    4:36 I need the title of the manga. Please!

    • @avenperez5946
      @avenperez5946 Рік тому +1

      I looked it up I'm pretty sure it's called Yukarism.

  • @tamiddy
    @tamiddy 24 дні тому

    6:31 I thought it was gonna go in the direction of "I WILL KILL YOU" "Or you can just pay me for the services you got from her if you like her so much...." "......Naaaaaaah."