Were the nuns exempt from having to have babies? Were the women who "sent back" their babies okay so long as they had at least 1 living child? Did sending a child back still count as karmically creating a child soul for Buddha?
"You are infertile because you used to be a snake -Well this sucks but now that I'm dead again maybe I'll have a better life ! -No, you're now punished for being infertile"
It makes sense, they want kiddie girls to sleep with, than ''grown and blood-stained women''. Really makes you think that often times, religion is just an excuse for men at power to do shit they're into.
@@UwUImShioWell. If you are a grown woman, if you had Science back in 1st grade, it means you can't bear children because your uterus doesn't repair or renew itself to make egg cells. Or the alternative, which alot of creepy religious men are into, are young kids who are "pure", thats why they dont "bleed" If you think about it, most of the time, they just use religion as an excuse to fiddle "pure" people. (children) A pure, non blood stained, they intend to bear children for them, are young girls.
@@UwUImShio that's also a problem because even if at that time, they didn't know why exactly a women went through menstruation, they knew it was somewhat connected to pregnancy. Not going through menstruation could also be seen as same as or closely related to infertility. I feel it's going to be like that.
Blaming people, especially women for an illness or disability? Nothing new under the sun. …But wait, for being a SNAKE in a past life and eating EGGS? That’s literally what snakes do. Are carnivores farming bad karma by literally just staying alive?😭💔
...Yes. Welcome to Buddhism. The cycle of suffering is inherent in every day life, even vegans continue to cause suffering. The goal is to gradually divorce yourself from causing suffering.
Well before science people all over world make up shit to explain stuff in the world they can't explain for good or for bad reasons they make up shit and spread them all over
From what i know, and i may be completely wrong and if so please correct me, but animals are considered "lesser beings". They cannot learn the enlightenment of buddha, and therefore to be reincarnated as an animal is in itself a form of punishment, though it can be considered as a transcendence from lesser forms of life such as going to hell. So becoming smth like a snake, you either: 1) did smth wrong as a higher being, enough wrong for you to end up as a snake but not thrown into hell. 2) paid your karma through enough suffering from your past lives as lesser beings, enough for you to live as a snake. Although you are basically "committing bad karma" by eating eggs as a snake, this may be considered as "suffering to pay for your past karma" because as a snake, you lack the skills to overcome your instincts to become carnivorous. Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong at any point. This is what little i know of the topic and i mean no disrespect at all to any religion, my intention is to share my knowledge and possibly learn more through responses or questions.
"Japanese women who didn't have kids were criticised." I wonder what their reaction would be if they saw that a lot of modern Japanese women are not having children. 😂
Feels like Karma. When scales are tipped too far, people like to go to extreme in the opposite direction until scales are tipped far again but on the other side Women were and still are shamed for not having kids that we all collectively got fed up, shaming tactic got old and now population risk from damn care attitude Extreme begets extreme @@tryphenarose384
The women of today are still criticized. Even though a large reason the women of today aren't having children is due to expenses and unequal division of labor. And, in Japan, the insane pressure to be skinny leading to anorexia.
@@lyndsaybrown8471 yeah sure, meanwhile murat (unemployed) with his wife latifah (unemployed) have 15 kids with another one on the way 😆 if someone actually wants to they will find a way.
@@itsoblivion8124bc at its core Buddhism is a reincarnation based way of life, to make up a place that would keep you from reincarnating is counterintuitive. The idea is: do bad in this life, get a worse start in the next. Do well and good in this life, get a better start in the next. Keep going until you've reached enlightenment and become a Buddha yourself and you can step outside of the reincarnation cycle, as it's an earnable title.
seems all these religions have tons mental gymastics, like how is God the creator iof hell that DEMANDS love or ELs ppyunishyou LOVING? ua-cam.com/video/BqcDXIx6CA8/v-deo.html this5 min video explaisn it poerfectly.
Greetings from a Vietnamese Buddhist! Some of the stuff represented in the video reminds me of the politicization of Buddhism in Tibet, where it was used to justify capital punishment among other things. "Something is wrong with you, this is because you did this in a previous life"
A common theme among reincarnation cultures is that a lot of evils are justified. I read this book called karma from a vishnu sect and It had a story where a monk told a king that he shouldn't cry for his murdered baby since maybe it the baby was his enemy on his past life
I always it: if your religion/believes says that x group of individual are doing something so horrible they need to be taken to eternal suffering, but the thing they're doing is actually harmless (and generally out of the person control), and you still choose to believe and engage in it, (generally cause it doesn't affect you) you're not a good person in my book. If whatever entity you believe in, who is supposedly so good hearted and all is doing this, they ain't good. I know poeple are gonna come at me for that but idc, it just doesn't make sence in my head, why are you worshipping this being if it's doing bad. So many use they believes to be hateful, it's just sad.
at that time the child mortality rate along with mortality rate for people in general was very high. so it makes sense that the leaders of that time would try to come up with stories like this to encourage people to produce as many babies as possible.
Buddha: live a peaceful blessed life without getting attached to worldly things... Buddhists: you're going to hell because you can't become a mother lady
thanx for throwing in the hard giggles every now and then. I now know that not only do you sound like most of my friends, you look like a good percentage of them as well.
How on earth did women lived anywhere in ancient times? It’s not like our modern times any better the more i see the reality of women the more i want to join the 4B movement
I’ve read several comments and replies here confer about the Blood Bowl Sutra as if it’s an authentic teaching within Buddhism when it is not. As with most states and religious institutions sharing power, doctrines of control arises from cultural context that can be fitted in for the state’s mythology building and its interests. I hope this apocryphal story from patriarchal Japan doesn’t deter people from exploring the beautiful fundamental teachings of Buddhism. Mother Tara and Guanyin will always be there for women and men to rely on in difficult times. ☸️
I think I am going to hell cause I am single and do not have a kid. However I am single by and my actual child is a pet lizard. Id like to be put in hell now.
Ha! I consider the concept of motherhood to be HELL. I got sterilised at 19, and I think that's the smartest decision I made in my not quite 62 years. I had/have a life to lead and don't need the interference of an inconvenient time and resource consuming, perpetually annoying parasite to slow me down.
I LOVE your shit. Informative and ridiculously hilarious. Question: are you of Japanese descent or are you just interested TO YOUR CORE in all things Japanese?
Infertile couples are there to be super aunties and uncles. Why does the patriarchy not get that moms need breaks so they need childfree friends? Why don’t women understand we all thrive when we help each other? People suck. 😮
This is why the Judeo-Christian worldview is superior to Eastern thought: Hebrews 9:27-28 (NIV): "Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him." No human soul gets a do-over in another life on earth. Everyone is judged according to the present life - the only life - in which they are given. As Gandalf says in _The Lord of the Rings_ , "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
Really? You judge buddhism for being brutal back in the day when you are christian? Do I even have to comment on this? This is so hypocritical and immature, jesus.
@@helion_ut If you referring to the Crusades, they weren't brutal. They were a response to cry for help from Eastern Christians who were being persecuted and slaughtered by the Moslems at that time.
Japan should revive this belief to revive their declining population. Shinzo Abe himself even wanted Japan to replenish their population despite his wife being infertile.
They should have government give support in form of money, free nannies, nurses, therapists etc. so that having children wouldn’t be a huge burden on parents finances and mental resources. Most young Japanese simply can't afford children, being already worked to death.
They should finally create conditions that are favourable to women and positively incentiwise women to have children. But Japan is doing none of that and instead allows its incels to ran rampant in real life. Guess Japan doesn't really want to increase their fertility rate after all. Karma.
imagine: you were a snake doing normal sneak thigns (eating things to _survive_ ) then in your next life you are not fertile because of something you both din't remembered and in the past life only made so to survive
So if having previous lives was a thing, how does the concept of going to hell play into that itself? Does each living creature have a certain number of lives and once that's done, it's your eternal punishment?
Nope, hell is not eternal, it just lasts for a long long time, depending on which hell. Hell is just another realm you can be reborn into, after which you reincarnate again.
I'm an "incel", and in spirit I feel like I should be one of those women. I wish I could tell people like them about Christ's salvation, and I wish I truly believed what I worship every Sunday. Real mercy and grace.
@@monochromeseraph4525 the smart ones who figured that out got pregnant by another man and fooled the first guy that way. Women be doing this even today in the age of DNA testing, except the motives have changed a bit in moral alignment...
“If thou dost marry, I'll give thee this plague for thy dowry: be thou as chaste as ice, as pure as snow, thou shalt not escape calumny. Get thee to a nunnery, go: farewell. Or, if thou wilt needs marry, marry a fool; for wise men know well enough what monsters you make of them. To a nunnery, go, and quickly too. Farewell!”
ancient japanese women were so clever for that. There even temple for shelter women who ran from abusive husband. their husband can;t do shit in temple (holy grounds) because they would be sent to hell.
Or women who had to leave their husbands because they didn't meet a 3 year deadline? Or women who saw it as their only out of being forced into marriage and childbirth if they didn't want it? I assume recruiting for Buddha is supposed to win them some of those spiritual credits or something. Edit to add; I don't think Buddhism necessarily requires a vow of chastity. Iirc some Buddhist sects actually had some weird sexual rituals, that may have derived partly from older Shinto and partly from Hindu traditions
I'm not gonna lie, the whole blaming the woman for infertility and making a special hell for that wasn't as surprising of a piece of information to me as learning about the existence of Buddhist nuns. I mean, the former is still a thing, and also being blamed for giving birth to girls instead of boys in some areas, but I've never heard about women being seriously involved in Buddhism in East-Asia like monks are. Pretty neat.
Really, I thought that was fairly common knowledge. Buddhist nuns don't get as much attention as Buddhist monks in western pop media, but I think any reference to Buddhist religious orders would make at least a passing mention to, at least, the existence of nuns.
Even the most orthodox Buddhist school with minimal bs (relative to other Buddhist schools) believes that being born a woman is because of bad karma, and that you cannot be a Buddha as long as you're female. I'm talking about Theravada Buddhism btw. But also according to Theravada, women can become Arhats, who are basically Buddha-lite and have achieved nirvana. Becoming an Arhat is the main goal for Theravada Buddhists (male or female), since they consider complete Buddhahood to be so difficult and time-consuming as to be unreachable for most people. But of course, the ridiculous and scary hells do exist in Theravada as well. I'm just not sure if the hell mentioned in this video exists in that school since this is the first time I've heard of it. Them Japanese Buddhists were smoking some weird shit that was probably a hundred times more potent than the shit Theravada Buddhists were smoking back then lol.
To be fair, women are more associated with child creation or children in general. It's very easy to make that step in logic with no actual knowledge of what was happening.
As someone who translates Heian Period stories into English I can attest to the ancient Japanese being all about having kids. They loved kids. One of my favorite Classical poems is by Yama no Ue no Okurara who writes that children are a treasure beyond silver, gold and gems. Though looking at the Tale of Genji and the fact that Genji's primary love, Murasaki no Ue, never had children and everyone seemed to get on just fine, I wonder how much of a stink the nobility actually made about it day to day or if people outside of zealots like the Kumano nuns actually believed that they ended up in hell. Also, greetings from Ise Shrine. I'm on my way to pay respects to the sun goddess herself.
@@emilybarclay8831 Interesting you bring that up. If I remember correctly, Murasaki was never able to become Genji's actual wife, (kita no kata 北の方) because she was too low of status. However, she did end up adopting the daughter of one of Genji's mistresses, the Lady of Akashi, and that daughter later became an empress with many children. However, Genji and others mention a few times that it was a shame Murasaki was never able to bear children of her own, but it's never a topic they dwell on.
I don't know. If they were proclaiming so much the virtues of having children it might actually be to promote something they feared was not happening so much. Maybe a reaction to all the renunciant and ascetic lifestyle promotion?
@@milmundos I appreciate the reply but I have to disagree with a few things. I wouldn't say they promoted having kids per se as it was just a given that people wanted to have lots of kids. If a Heian Period nobleman or noblewoman were transported to our time and heard people outright declare they didn't want kids they'd probably have a hard time fully understanding the thought process. It would be like someone today saying they don't want mountains of money. Yeah, there are some people who say that, a handful of very unique individuals, but it's such an obvious desire that the people of ancient times never really needed to actively promote it. They just assumed that everyone wanted loads and loads of kids and would have been shocked to hear someone say otherwise. Second point would be that, yes there were some religious ascetics who took their faith very very seriously and engaged in practices that only a very few number of people could handle, but that was very rare. The vast majority of Buddhist priests really lived fairly comfortable lives but were not officially allowed to have families, participate in governance, gain court rank and title or engage in some of the most extravagant and luxurious aspects of life. There wasn't an abundance of hardcore ascetics practicing or proselytizing their faith. And even for those who did run off into the mountains to live lives of seclusion and intense practice, while they were respected and revered the vast majority of people all acknowledged that that was not something they would be able to undertake. So in summary, no they didn't actively promote wanting lots of kids because everyone just took it for granted that kids were something that everyone wanted, and there wasn't a particularly strong promotion of asceticism either and most members of religious institutions led comparatively mundane and easy lives, at least in and around the capital.
Didn't it occured to that men can be infertile too. What if the emporer simply couldn't produce potent rice seedlings to sow into his womans rice paddie or something? I guess they didn't believe men couldn't be infertile huh.😒
They also thought women decided the gender of the child (if women didnt bear sons it was it was their fault). Now we know it is men that determine the gender.
Its more of a case that they were competing over said powerful men and getting the competition ostracized is situationally advantageous. Even if it is the emperor who is infertile, by getting him to dump his wife and pick a new concubine she'll get the lap of luxury for a time before its her turn to be weeded out by the next girl in turn. Really vicious cycles of desperate pragmatism in a time of extreme haves and have nots. People don't appreciate how much a few key relatively modern discoveries changed the world in drastic measure. When you are one swarm of bugs away from an entire country starving and a single infection away from death you really don't have time to worry about who is or isn't infertile or what is fair you just do what you do to survive. People want to blanket the many atrocities of the past that we view through our modern lens as if it were some grand conspiracy of evil people when in reality it's often just pragmatism driven by hunger and the very real threat that death was around every corner (median life expectancy often falling under 40 years) and just one slip up away. Penicillin, germ theory and modern agricultural techniques really changed the game for humanity, long term potential detriments aside it is unquestioned that in the short term up to present such things have dramatically improved our quality of life and are the only reason we can moralize the way we do at present.
@@maikv750 dude… it is widely known that almost all cultures practiced the belief that the gender of the child depended on the mother at one point or another.
And so, Japan basically never changes. Always wanting to have bebes, never actually making it a comforting environment to have them. How are they still here now?
Man, I wish I could transfer my endometriosis and the past pain I went through with growing ovarian cancer amongst big, organ squashing ovarian cysts to whomever thought these hells up.
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women. "“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth; break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh." - Isaiah 54:1 WEB "He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!" - Psalm 113:9 ESV
@@matthewschardtii1338Ah jes the good old abrahamic religions where woman do not even have souls, are only good to beat child's and not allowed into any higher nobility.
I think people were less intelligent and more animalistic in those times. There's very few benefits for women to have children especially multiple, but the vast majority still wanted them in the medieval times. Kind of like animals who expire after they breed. We evolved since then, our brains and bodies are larger and we live longer. People were still basically cavemen in those times.
In previous life she was a snake, and ate birds unhatched bebes just to survive, and she got punished in human life... Does it mean back then eating eggs was considered a sin? Or all animals were sinful for eating eggs except humans? 🤔And how does it works - she goes to heck, for not being fertile. She got infertile as a punishment for sin in her snake life... Wasn't she supposed to be in heck after snake life? Its like geting a time out, because you got a time out!
It's not like they didn't had children themselfs. As I said in other comment, those women were probably "old" women that werent' more useful to society as they couldn't bear children and/or weren't pretty/young anymore.
@@liliya_aseeva I'm talking by memory and dedution, but I think there was not reason for them recruit members. Mostly of Japanese knowledge history was wrote and told by the nobility, and as far as I know, to become a Nun was reserved by the Court "old" ladies. So I guess the reason as they will scare others women was maybe to sell charms or rituals. Not different of what any cult do today. Just a guess.
@@slashine1071 Buddhist hells aren't like Christian Hell. Everyone goes to a hell, because existing is suffering. Only on Earth, as a human, and achieving enlightenment takes you some place besides hell.
@@WhatisthisgremlinYeah, people back then were pretty ignorant. Punishing women for not having kids not because it was her choice not to but because she physically couldn’t. :,)
@@xn85d2 karma is similar to what people think of fate. Though it's really complex and what people commonly know does not even scratch the surface. Even what I know is surface level really.
@@alittleofsomething Can you actually explain why the idea of someone being 'supposed to' have a certain result or not would be linked to karma? There is certainly the idea of karmic credit, that is, taking actions in line with positive objective moral virtues will accrue some form of cosmic currency which will then be paid back in results. Normally this might be a better reincarnation but can also take the form of fortuitous events - and likewise with negative karma and negative results. However, there is no concept of 'inevitability' of any one result in particular, as far as I know. If there is some form of karmic inevitability then ultimately it's a blind, arbitrary, and unjust system that forces people to be what they are then punishes or rewards them for it; exactly the problem which the video highlights in this particular teaching of Japanese Buddhism.
in my religion , woman who die in childbirth can go to heaven . its called "Jihad For women " and there no shame for women who infertil cause child given by GOD .
I’m pretty sure there’s also a hell for children who die. They’re punished because they caused suffering for their parents and have to stack rocks by a special river. Every time they almost finish, a demon comes and knocks it over.
That fate kind of reminds me of Sisyphus for some reason, where this guy in Greek mythology has to roll a boulder up a hill for eternity, but it always rolls back down.
In my locality's ancient culture it's pretty opposite, having too many kids will deplete your good omen according to shamans hence they forbid girls in eating conjoined fruits. It was thought that our lore of infant-like entities that prey on families who took them to their homes were a by-product of this practice. They were left by their mothers in the forest to perish only to return as a vengeful spirit incapable of rationality and any form of compassion is alien to them.
Proof that any spiritual practice, once manifested into a religious dogma, becomes evil. Buddhism was supposed to be the chosen one, lol, but people corrupt everything.
As far as I know, Buddhism teaches that a believer's ultimate goal should be giving up all desires for enlightenment, and sex and child-bearing are the greatest of desires. Doesn't make sense. Idk, Mahayana Buddhism and its branches are weird.
Mahayana and Vajrayana are super-weird because they have historically been far more adaptable to local cultures when compared to Theravada. Hence, this story about being able to eventually reach Buddhahood if you pop out enough kids. If you said this to a Theravadin, then they'd laugh at your face lol. It really doesn't make sense when you think about core Buddhist principles.
@@KhukuriGod Just as you said, Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism are adaptable to their local cultures, but this has caused pretty weird stray teachings from the Buddha's path. They literally treat Gautam Buddha like a god, and idk have a thousand other Buddhas. The thing is that from its earliest stages, Mahayana Buddhism attracted people from all flocks and ideologies, so it had to either sacrifice numbers for the true philosophy or vice versa. They chose the latter. Because of this, Mahayana Buddhism is basically the representative of Buddhism on the international scale, while Theravada is far more traditional but also minuscule. The thing is that Buddhism is a religion for ascetics, people who are ready to give up this world. This is not something for the masses, which can be practiced by everyone, so intense modification took place. Often mixing a flavor of the local culture to make it more appealing.
Mahayana Buddhism teaches the exact opposite of what Buddhism stands for, all Mahayana Buddhist do is worshipping Bodhisattvas and try their best to look orthodox. Mahayana is basically catholic Church of Buddhism.
This edges and illogical teachings are part of every religion. They are intentionally keept in to catch the attention of any bystander. They form the spiderweb which catches new souls - while the religion itself, the spider is hiding somewhere near.
@@molybdaen11 You might be right, but this is literally the complete opposite of what the Buddha taught. Mahayana Buddhists say that you can attain Nirvana (devoid of ALL desires) by having bebes, which is itself the greatest desire. WTF?
This was one of the hardest watches for me so far. On par, with the mabiki. It's just awful. They scared women of dying childless. Scared them of dying in labour. And then they say it's her own fault? How does hell even make sense then? Didn't she make up for it by not having kids, even if that were true? Ugh... Why do all religions seem to be so toxic instead of uplifting?
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women. "“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth; break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh." - Isaiah 54:1 WEB "He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!" - Psalm 113:9 ESV
@@matthewschardtii1338curious considering how badly many christian sects view Ace people (specially women) and women who choose to be childfree, regardless if they are baren or not.
@@AnonimusQualquer You'd think they'd hold Paul, the originator of the church basically, in higher regard. The guy himself wrote about how it's best not to marry and all.
@@AnonimusQualquer Christianity made single, chaste life in pursuit of holiness a respectable and even desirable position in the West and middle east in a new way. The general Christian objection to chosen childlessness and asexuality is that these things are being embraced for reasons of comfort and self indulgence rather than the discomfort and self denial that Christians value in nuns, priests, monks, and hermits.
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women. "“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth; break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh." - Isaiah 54:1 WEB "He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!" - Psalm 113:9 ESV
@stuffynosepatrol Not literally. It's most likely a prophecy about how through Eve, one of her decendents would crush the head of the serpent. In Christianity that's referring to Jesus and we believe that Jesus offers citizenship in Heaven as a free gift through faith in Him. "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”" - Genesis 3:15 NIV
@@matthewschardtii1338 "not literally" you can't prove that. That's just your personal interpretation of the bible. Either way I'm not going to worship a god who apparently orders child abuse
Arrrgh this is extremely interesting but tough to watch. I remember being in a freshman level college class about various religions, and when we were talking about Karma, the professor said people who have disabilities brought them upon themselves in a past life. As a person with a disability including chronic severe pain, which I was particularly struggling with adjusting to college life, I LOST IT. I asked him to clarify, he repeated himself, and I was so upset I said “this suffering is NOT my fault” and I gathered my stuff and scooted out of class. I didn’t mean to be dramatic, I was just so burning with anger and frustration. And now as an adult, I also suffered infertility and still live with the room I planned to be the nursery painted in the decor scheme I had planned - Beatrix Potter. It’s there taunting me, but it’s also beautiful. Not having kids when you wanted them and grew up planning for them and fully expecting them and collecting name books, is heartbreaking. I still sometimes wonder what my kids would’ve been like. What it would be like to be a family. I have my dogs, and I anthropomorphize them sooo much. But they are with us for such an unfair amount of time, and in the end, they suffer. Loving means grieving; I guess that’s a worthwhile lesson. Ooops, better end this rant.
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women. "“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth; break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh." - Isaiah 54:1 WEB "He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!" - Psalm 113:9 ESV Something that makes Christianity unique amoung world religions is that its the only religion where the Almighty God purposely pursues us. In many other religions, your performance and behavior dictates if that god will accept or reject you. However, in Christianity Yahweh God willingly chose to incarnate in a human body. Since Heaven is without sin, no sin can enter. That's why we can't do more good Deeds than bad deeds to get into Heaven. So Jesus lived a perfectly sinless life on our behalf. Then Jesus willingly died on a cross dying a death he did not deserve to pay our sin debt in full. Next on the Third Day God the Father raised Jesus from the dead physically for our Justification. Then Jesus ascended into Heaven and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father and will someday physically return. Jesus will forever be God in a human body, the second person of the trinity. Unlike in other religions where you have to earn a place in Heaven, Jesus offers citizenship in Heaven as a free gift. In order to receive that gift of salvation all you need to place your faith(trust) in Jesus for your salvation. At the moment you believe, the Holy Spirit the Third person of the Tri-une God indwells you. You become a living temple of God and you are sealed by God. You are made a citizen of Heaven. In Christianity we do good works because we are saved, not in order to get saved. "We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are. 23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. 27 Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. 28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law." - Romans 3:22-28 NLT "Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." - Philippians 2:5-11 ESV
For this reason I don’t like the idea of reincarnation. The idea itself isn’t that bad but how people try to justify their behavior and the flaws in the world by that religion is sick. Do know this was never ever your fault. And that there is an quite an chance that they are wrong. A lot of people believe that reincarnation isn’t true but a trick by Satan to trick people into bad behavior. Just look how many people who believe in reincarnation treat others because they “deserve it”. Even if that was true kindness doesn’t cost and thing and why do these people think they can treat others badly without suffering consequences themselves in another life? What I mean is don’t worry just try to live your life and leave the haters behind. Just because they think so doesn’t make it true
It is a shit belive to keep people in their hands. By the way purgatoty another part of hell, made by mixing in underworlds of pagan religions, are totaly an unknown concept for early Christians. Means unnatural inflicted dogmas that got straight cut out from at least the Lutheran church after a bigger divideing. Christian belives are equaly messed up. Since it is a forced on people Religion since Medival times. So you can still buy your soul Out of hell If you are catholic, this Marketing campain seems to be equaly to all organized religions
Still fucked up that you are essentially tortured before even having the chance to experience life, all because someone ate a damn apple generations ago, and there is still a chance that you might go to hell if you fail your 2nd trial.
Also, I thought reincarnation punished you for being bad by having you reincarnate into a lower lifeform. So how does an egg-eating snake (so just a snake; nothing wrong with it for a snake) reincarnate into a human?
If you can stop someone from reaching enlightenment by not being able to give birth and this sends you to a lifetime of torment but your spouse can release you from having a lifetime of torment by creating a statue and praying. Do they not get sent to a hell for not doing so?
Interestingly, a similar idea of "if you are suffering that means it's your fault" is also present in some Christian denominations. For example, in Orthodoxy, children are responsible for the sins of the people on their family tree. So, if someone near them (a parent or a grandparent) sinned, their children would pay up to God for their sins. Obviously, this would manifest in some bs bullying done by adults who haven't grown out of their highschool itch era.
Well, humanity is collectively responsible, for destroying the enviroment, thats why mother Nature must punish all of us. Also, If you still benefit from the wrongdoings of your ancestors (like the great grandchildren of former slave owners do) then obviously, you should be held accountable
@@tokio6332 I also grew up in an Orthodox Christian country in a non-religious household. Wish people around me were as non-religious and as chill as my family.
Haven't watched yet, is the hell an eternal family gathering where you make polite chit chat and then get sidelined by the "when are you having kids question?" And then it just keeps escalating as people make micro aggressive comments about how "your sister didn't have ANY trouble," "have you tried...," "well, maybe if you would just...", "i knew we shouldn't have let you..." For eternity.
In earlier Buddhism from India, in Hinduism and Jainism as well, not having kids too was not desirable, it was not considered exactly a sin, but a backlog, not just for women but for men also. According to believes, a person collects different debts from different sources. From anscestors, one collects debt of lineage, from parents, one collects debt of love and care as well as upbringing they gave you. These debts could be laid off giving birth to children to continue lineage and giving parental love and care to next generation. One cant get salvation if bound by debts. If one did not have children, people could even adopt children.
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But what about those who sent their babies back to the spirit world, that is, they practiced murdering babies if there was a lack of food at home?
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Were the nuns exempt from having to have babies? Were the women who "sent back" their babies okay so long as they had at least 1 living child? Did sending a child back still count as karmically creating a child soul for Buddha?
@@NiaJustNiaThose are the questions
"You are infertile because you used to be a snake
-Well this sucks but now that I'm dead again maybe I'll have a better life !
-No, you're now punished for being infertile"
What if your pet was a lizard.
And people still believe Buddhism is some sort of enlightened religion 🙄
@@ٴٴٴٴ_0Yeah, this is a part of Buddhism that doesn't get as much air time as the more appealing parts!
@@ٴٴٴٴ_0this is a made up shit by Japanese buddhist🤓. Actual buddhism is very different.
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That's a hell of a way to pressure someone into having kids.
I see what you did there
Badump - tss
It sucks when you concider many women can't have kids in their teens or 20s but then pop em out like firecrackers in their 30s 😭
really...😑
Clever. Let me try.
What did Emperor Shomu say when his wife turned out to be barren?
"Damn."
. . . I'll see myself out.
Hell if you menstruate, hell if you're barren...girl can't catch a break.
yeah that explains why there so many kinds of yokai that takes the form of a woman
It makes sense, they want kiddie girls to sleep with, than ''grown and blood-stained women''.
Really makes you think that often times, religion is just an excuse for men at power to do shit they're into.
What if you don't menstruate?
@@UwUImShioWell. If you are a grown woman, if you had Science back in 1st grade, it means you can't bear children because your uterus doesn't repair or renew itself to make egg cells.
Or the alternative, which alot of creepy religious men are into, are young kids who are "pure", thats why they dont "bleed"
If you think about it, most of the time, they just use religion as an excuse to fiddle "pure" people. (children)
A pure, non blood stained, they intend to bear children for them, are young girls.
@@UwUImShio that's also a problem because even if at that time, they didn't know why exactly a women went through menstruation, they knew it was somewhat connected to pregnancy.
Not going through menstruation could also be seen as same as or closely related to infertility.
I feel it's going to be like that.
Blaming people, especially women for an illness or disability? Nothing new under the sun.
…But wait, for being a SNAKE in a past life and eating EGGS? That’s literally what snakes do. Are carnivores farming bad karma by literally just staying alive?😭💔
I mean, yes, serious Buddhism means going vegan at some point. But also, there's more than one version of Buddhism as with many religions.
That's actually what my mother says. According to her dinosaurs were erased of existence for bad karma accumulation
...Yes. Welcome to Buddhism. The cycle of suffering is inherent in every day life, even vegans continue to cause suffering. The goal is to gradually divorce yourself from causing suffering.
Well before science people all over world make up shit to explain stuff in the world they can't explain for good or for bad reasons they make up shit and spread them all over
From what i know, and i may be completely wrong and if so please correct me, but animals are considered "lesser beings". They cannot learn the enlightenment of buddha, and therefore to be reincarnated as an animal is in itself a form of punishment, though it can be considered as a transcendence from lesser forms of life such as going to hell. So becoming smth like a snake, you either:
1) did smth wrong as a higher being, enough wrong for you to end up as a snake but not thrown into hell.
2) paid your karma through enough suffering from your past lives as lesser beings, enough for you to live as a snake.
Although you are basically "committing bad karma" by eating eggs as a snake, this may be considered as "suffering to pay for your past karma" because as a snake, you lack the skills to overcome your instincts to become carnivorous.
Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong at any point. This is what little i know of the topic and i mean no disrespect at all to any religion, my intention is to share my knowledge and possibly learn more through responses or questions.
"Japanese women who didn't have kids were criticised."
I wonder what their reaction would be if they saw that a lot of modern Japanese women are not having children. 😂
The criticism in the past was 100% wrong and messed up. Although, the population crisis today is a real concern for Japan. It is a delicate balance.
Feels like Karma. When scales are tipped too far, people like to go to extreme in the opposite direction until scales are tipped far again but on the other side
Women were and still are shamed for not having kids that we all collectively got fed up, shaming tactic got old and now population risk from damn care attitude
Extreme begets extreme
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Maybe if these teachings were still adhered to they wouldn’t be having a population crisis.
The women of today are still criticized. Even though a large reason the women of today aren't having children is due to expenses and unequal division of labor.
And, in Japan, the insane pressure to be skinny leading to anorexia.
@@lyndsaybrown8471 yeah sure, meanwhile murat (unemployed) with his wife latifah (unemployed) have 15 kids with another one on the way 😆 if someone actually wants to they will find a way.
The fact that some Buddhisms invented hells is a whole thing in itself.
Most buddhisms have hell.
Why?
@@itsoblivion8124bc at its core Buddhism is a reincarnation based way of life, to make up a place that would keep you from reincarnating is counterintuitive. The idea is: do bad in this life, get a worse start in the next. Do well and good in this life, get a better start in the next. Keep going until you've reached enlightenment and become a Buddha yourself and you can step outside of the reincarnation cycle, as it's an earnable title.
@@ShamelessFNGRL it's similar to samkhya school of Hinduism. I guess buddha studies under samkhya gurus that's why
@@ShamelessFNGRLthere are eight hells in Buddhism
So, not was infertile a punishment, you got punished for being infertile. That’s quite the mental gymnastics to get women punished for existing.
seems all these religions have tons mental gymastics, like how is God the creator iof hell that DEMANDS love or ELs ppyunishyou LOVING? ua-cam.com/video/BqcDXIx6CA8/v-deo.html this5 min video explaisn it poerfectly.
Buddha: I'm pretty sure there is no such hell
Yama/Enma: Whoever made this up is going straight to Avici
Exactly LoL 😆
Buddhism is complete nonsense.
My hysterectomy came with a free vacation to a bamboo forest? Neat!
How did you get one of those? I want one so bad but these “doctors won’t even listen
Greetings from a Vietnamese Buddhist! Some of the stuff represented in the video reminds me of the politicization of Buddhism in Tibet, where it was used to justify capital punishment among other things. "Something is wrong with you, this is because you did this in a previous life"
Ah the good old tradition of using religion for political agendas.
His enlightenment? The man was probably infertile
“It actually makes sense if you think about it very little” 😂
I can never get over how easily some people hurt others in the name of bullshit.
Usual conversation amoung Japanese buddhists began with "How dare woman...."
Man, that is certainly fascinating. Horrific, but fascinating.
when I read the title of this video I thought that sinners would have to care for a giant baby like the one in the Ghibli film Spirited Away
The horror :p
Very silly lmao.
Punishing someone for soemthing that might be out of their control.
That's the beauty of the believe in karma. An inescapable circle of horror and idiocies...
@@saymyname2417moron religion gods themselves deserve to be punished
Of course, the classic "punish women for just existing" routine
A common theme among reincarnation cultures is that a lot of evils are justified. I read this book called karma from a vishnu sect and It had a story where a monk told a king that he shouldn't cry for his murdered baby since maybe it the baby was his enemy on his past life
“He was as down as his family tree”
*HELP* 😭😭
The more I watch these types of videos, the more I can't help but feel that religion just exists to oppress women.
Correct. You wont find one religion that treats women superior to men or just equal, that came - if it ever came up - later
Isn't not being able to have kids punishment enough? Do infertile women need to be punished?
Watch the video, the answer was yes
@@rougestarlight4308 That's awful!
Women are social creatures, it served to enforce the social convention of having kids and continuing society.
I don’t want to be able to have kids because i don’t want them
@@FinnyThePorgI don't want kids either, but I think that punishing women who, through no fault of their own, cannot have children is cruel!
I always it: if your religion/believes says that x group of individual are doing something so horrible they need to be taken to eternal suffering, but the thing they're doing is actually harmless (and generally out of the person control), and you still choose to believe and engage in it, (generally cause it doesn't affect you) you're not a good person in my book. If whatever entity you believe in, who is supposedly so good hearted and all is doing this, they ain't good.
I know poeple are gonna come at me for that but idc, it just doesn't make sence in my head, why are you worshipping this being if it's doing bad. So many use they believes to be hateful, it's just sad.
at that time the child mortality rate along with mortality rate for people in general was very high. so it makes sense that the leaders of that time would try to come up with stories like this to encourage people to produce as many babies as possible.
I think I'm starting to see a pattern in all these Japanese beliefs about the afterlife... ^^u
Ancient Japanese people arguing over if they should have many of fewer children be like
Another amazing video pard !
Karma is all well and good thill you realise it's implying people's suffering is always deserved
Buddha: live a peaceful blessed life without getting attached to worldly things...
Buddhists: you're going to hell because you can't become a mother lady
Life is cruel. Why should the afterlife be any different?- Dave jones
I kinda want to learn about what the most bizarre hells are out there.
thanx for throwing in the hard giggles every now and then. I now know that not only do you sound like most of my friends, you look like a good percentage of them as well.
I love you too Linfamy (You guys turn on your subtitles)
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This guy's art is amazing
You’re funny. “Threw so much shade, it became night.”
How on earth did women lived anywhere in ancient times? It’s not like our modern times any better the more i see the reality of women the more i want to join the 4B movement
I’ve read several comments and replies here confer about the Blood Bowl Sutra as if it’s an authentic teaching within Buddhism when it is not. As with most states and religious institutions sharing power, doctrines of control arises from cultural context that can be fitted in for the state’s mythology building and its interests. I hope this apocryphal story from patriarchal Japan doesn’t deter people from exploring the beautiful fundamental teachings of Buddhism. Mother Tara and Guanyin will always be there for women and men to rely on in difficult times. ☸️
I think I am going to hell cause I am single and do not have a kid. However I am single by and my actual child is a pet lizard. Id like to be put in hell now.
You just keep getting better at every punchline with the best delivery possible, you never fail to deliver. I love you linfamy, No homo
He's the only one in this video who didn't fail to deliver
Would girls that died while too young to have kids go to this hell? Not like they had much of a choice.
Ha! I consider the concept of motherhood to be HELL. I got sterilised at 19, and I think that's the smartest decision I made in my not quite 62 years. I had/have a life to lead and don't need the interference of an inconvenient time and resource consuming, perpetually annoying parasite to slow me down.
Good job removing yourself from the genepool. You have done humanity a great service
I LOVE your shit. Informative and ridiculously hilarious. Question: are you of Japanese descent or are you just interested TO YOUR CORE in all things Japanese?
How can people actually be buddhist knowing this stuff fr😂
Wow, last I checked Hell in other religions is just there for the wicked and not for something you have no control over.
This is not a buddist thing either. This is just Japans spin on Buddhism
I wonder if there's a hell for infertile men too? Hmmm 🤔
I was wonder who made this up? Must be someone very creative.
And no one thought to question the nuns for preaching about having kids while nuns don't have any kids themselves?
bebes
Infertile couples are there to be super aunties and uncles. Why does the patriarchy not get that moms need breaks so they need childfree friends? Why don’t women understand we all thrive when we help each other? People suck. 😮
This is why the Judeo-Christian worldview is superior to Eastern thought:
Hebrews 9:27-28 (NIV): "Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him."
No human soul gets a do-over in another life on earth. Everyone is judged according to the present life - the only life - in which they are given. As Gandalf says in _The Lord of the Rings_ , "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
Exactly. East Asians back then were just stupid.
Really? You judge buddhism for being brutal back in the day when you are christian? Do I even have to comment on this?
This is so hypocritical and immature, jesus.
@@helion_ut If you referring to the Crusades, they weren't brutal. They were a response to cry for help from Eastern Christians who were being persecuted and slaughtered by the Moslems at that time.
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...this the same group that said you go to heaven for killing your kids? 😵💫
Japan should revive this belief to revive their declining population. Shinzo Abe himself even wanted Japan to replenish their population despite his wife being infertile.
Nah
@@rougestarlight4308- Certainly not this believe but they should start having children again right now or they'll be gone in less than 100 years.
Do you think people are superstitious in this age to believe this childish nonsense. Psycho religion gods just need excuses to torture people.
They should have government give support in form of money, free nannies, nurses, therapists etc. so that having children wouldn’t be a huge burden on parents finances and mental resources. Most young Japanese simply can't afford children, being already worked to death.
They should finally create conditions that are favourable to women and positively incentiwise women to have children. But Japan is doing none of that and instead allows its incels to ran rampant in real life. Guess Japan doesn't really want to increase their fertility rate after all. Karma.
imagine: you were a snake doing normal sneak thigns (eating things to _survive_ ) then in your next life you are not fertile because of something you both din't remembered and in the past life only made so to survive
So if having previous lives was a thing, how does the concept of going to hell play into that itself? Does each living creature have a certain number of lives and once that's done, it's your eternal punishment?
Nope, hell is not eternal, it just lasts for a long long time, depending on which hell. Hell is just another realm you can be reborn into, after which you reincarnate again.
I'm an "incel", and in spirit I feel like I should be one of those women. I wish I could tell people like them about Christ's salvation, and I wish I truly believed what I worship every Sunday. Real mercy and grace.
The way he says Bebes tickles something in my brain😂
And let me guess infertile men wasnt a thing
Exactly..😒
Damn wish my gender wasnt so shitty lmao
Bruh, I swear some of these women probably just tried it with infertile men and everyone blamed them 💀.
Damn your right.
@@monochromeseraph4525 the smart ones who figured that out got pregnant by another man and fooled the first guy that way. Women be doing this even today in the age of DNA testing, except the motives have changed a bit in moral alignment...
I would have assumed it was to recruit more nuns: you're barren? Quick, divorce him and join a nunnery!
yeah, but if word got around you couldn't have kids they might not take you
“If thou dost marry, I'll give thee this plague for
thy dowry: be thou as chaste as ice, as pure as
snow, thou shalt not escape calumny. Get thee to a
nunnery, go: farewell. Or, if thou wilt needs
marry, marry a fool; for wise men know well enough
what monsters you make of them. To a nunnery, go,
and quickly too. Farewell!”
ancient japanese women were so clever for that. There even temple for shelter women who ran from abusive husband. their husband can;t do shit in temple (holy grounds) because they would be sent to hell.
@Based_Gigachad_001 yes, but the nunnery may not accept infertile women, as they are considered unclean or cursed.
But nuns don't have children either so weren't they going to hell too? Or were all the nuns widows?
Probably they were exempt for spiritual reasons?! I mean you can't have it both ways.
Nuns are part of catholicism, not Buddhism.
Or women who had to leave their husbands because they didn't meet a 3 year deadline? Or women who saw it as their only out of being forced into marriage and childbirth if they didn't want it? I assume recruiting for Buddha is supposed to win them some of those spiritual credits or something.
Edit to add; I don't think Buddhism necessarily requires a vow of chastity. Iirc some Buddhist sects actually had some weird sexual rituals, that may have derived partly from older Shinto and partly from Hindu traditions
Buddha earlier refused to accept female bikunis as female will destroy the Buddhism for 500 years
😢 I am happily child-free by choice. Definitely going to hell 😂
I'm not gonna lie, the whole blaming the woman for infertility and making a special hell for that wasn't as surprising of a piece of information to me as learning about the existence of Buddhist nuns.
I mean, the former is still a thing, and also being blamed for giving birth to girls instead of boys in some areas, but I've never heard about women being seriously involved in Buddhism in East-Asia like monks are.
Pretty neat.
Really, I thought that was fairly common knowledge. Buddhist nuns don't get as much attention as Buddhist monks in western pop media, but I think any reference to Buddhist religious orders would make at least a passing mention to, at least, the existence of nuns.
:)
And of course it was never the man who ate an egg in a past life and was infertile in the current life
Of course not, don't be silly.
And of course, infertility is a punishment for a previous sin so you can't fix it AND it's a sin itself.
Even the most orthodox Buddhist school with minimal bs (relative to other Buddhist schools) believes that being born a woman is because of bad karma, and that you cannot be a Buddha as long as you're female. I'm talking about Theravada Buddhism btw. But also according to Theravada, women can become Arhats, who are basically Buddha-lite and have achieved nirvana. Becoming an Arhat is the main goal for Theravada Buddhists (male or female), since they consider complete Buddhahood to be so difficult and time-consuming as to be unreachable for most people.
But of course, the ridiculous and scary hells do exist in Theravada as well. I'm just not sure if the hell mentioned in this video exists in that school since this is the first time I've heard of it. Them Japanese Buddhists were smoking some weird shit that was probably a hundred times more potent than the shit Theravada Buddhists were smoking back then lol.
@@KhukuriGod Fr
To be fair, women are more associated with child creation or children in general.
It's very easy to make that step in logic with no actual knowledge of what was happening.
As someone who translates Heian Period stories into English I can attest to the ancient Japanese being all about having kids. They loved kids. One of my favorite Classical poems is by Yama no Ue no Okurara who writes that children are a treasure beyond silver, gold and gems. Though looking at the Tale of Genji and the fact that Genji's primary love, Murasaki no Ue, never had children and everyone seemed to get on just fine, I wonder how much of a stink the nobility actually made about it day to day or if people outside of zealots like the Kumano nuns actually believed that they ended up in hell.
Also, greetings from Ise Shrine. I'm on my way to pay respects to the sun goddess herself.
Since Murasaki was his official wife couldn’t she have adopted the child of another wife if she wanted?
@@emilybarclay8831 Interesting you bring that up. If I remember correctly, Murasaki was never able to become Genji's actual wife, (kita no kata 北の方) because she was too low of status. However, she did end up adopting the daughter of one of Genji's mistresses, the Lady of Akashi, and that daughter later became an empress with many children. However, Genji and others mention a few times that it was a shame Murasaki was never able to bear children of her own, but it's never a topic they dwell on.
Wicked! Repent!
I don't know. If they were proclaiming so much the virtues of having children it might actually be to promote something they feared was not happening so much. Maybe a reaction to all the renunciant and ascetic lifestyle promotion?
@@milmundos I appreciate the reply but I have to disagree with a few things. I wouldn't say they promoted having kids per se as it was just a given that people wanted to have lots of kids. If a Heian Period nobleman or noblewoman were transported to our time and heard people outright declare they didn't want kids they'd probably have a hard time fully understanding the thought process. It would be like someone today saying they don't want mountains of money. Yeah, there are some people who say that, a handful of very unique individuals, but it's such an obvious desire that the people of ancient times never really needed to actively promote it. They just assumed that everyone wanted loads and loads of kids and would have been shocked to hear someone say otherwise.
Second point would be that, yes there were some religious ascetics who took their faith very very seriously and engaged in practices that only a very few number of people could handle, but that was very rare. The vast majority of Buddhist priests really lived fairly comfortable lives but were not officially allowed to have families, participate in governance, gain court rank and title or engage in some of the most extravagant and luxurious aspects of life. There wasn't an abundance of hardcore ascetics practicing or proselytizing their faith. And even for those who did run off into the mountains to live lives of seclusion and intense practice, while they were respected and revered the vast majority of people all acknowledged that that was not something they would be able to undertake.
So in summary, no they didn't actively promote wanting lots of kids because everyone just took it for granted that kids were something that everyone wanted, and there wasn't a particularly strong promotion of asceticism either and most members of religious institutions led comparatively mundane and easy lives, at least in and around the capital.
Didn't it occured to that men can be infertile too. What if the emporer simply couldn't produce potent rice seedlings to sow into his womans rice paddie or something? I guess they didn't believe men couldn't be infertile huh.😒
They also thought women decided the gender of the child (if women didnt bear sons it was it was their fault). Now we know it is men that determine the gender.
Its more of a case that they were competing over said powerful men and getting the competition ostracized is situationally advantageous. Even if it is the emperor who is infertile, by getting him to dump his wife and pick a new concubine she'll get the lap of luxury for a time before its her turn to be weeded out by the next girl in turn. Really vicious cycles of desperate pragmatism in a time of extreme haves and have nots.
People don't appreciate how much a few key relatively modern discoveries changed the world in drastic measure. When you are one swarm of bugs away from an entire country starving and a single infection away from death you really don't have time to worry about who is or isn't infertile or what is fair you just do what you do to survive. People want to blanket the many atrocities of the past that we view through our modern lens as if it were some grand conspiracy of evil people when in reality it's often just pragmatism driven by hunger and the very real threat that death was around every corner (median life expectancy often falling under 40 years) and just one slip up away. Penicillin, germ theory and modern agricultural techniques really changed the game for humanity, long term potential detriments aside it is unquestioned that in the short term up to present such things have dramatically improved our quality of life and are the only reason we can moralize the way we do at present.
@@Cyhcg5uhgb Are you tripping? What do you mean by decide? Yeah, there are X- and Y-sperms but there is no decision done by anyone. What
@@maikv750maybe try re-reading that reply ;)
@@maikv750 dude… it is widely known that almost all cultures practiced the belief that the gender of the child depended on the mother at one point or another.
I'm sure everyone feels like a Buddha when they have to hold a screaming child at 3am
If they abstain to drown the bundle of joy in the bathtub, they are in their way to enlighten.
Perhaps the situation being so sleep deprived makes it so one ceases to experience desire?
It's not like a rich emperor would ever have to be involved with his child.
3 am? Oh, no, that would have either been the woman’s job, or the servants’, not the father’s 😬
@@DenMotherArkala
Load of BS
And so, Japan basically never changes. Always wanting to have bebes, never actually making it a comforting environment to have them. How are they still here now?
And now they're barely having bebes. Look at their birth rate.
@@debolinachatterjee1726 Feminism kills birth rates. We need to introduce feminism to China and India.
Also Africa too
Man, I wish I could transfer my endometriosis and the past pain I went through with growing ovarian cancer amongst big, organ squashing ovarian cysts to whomever thought these hells up.
This reads like poetry
Me too. Let’s all pray to transfer the pain 😂
Dear ancestors 🙏
Welp, out of the gene pool i guess.
Start a religion and say when you die that happens.
I would have had a psychotic meltdown if i lived in those day 😢
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women.
"“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth;
break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh."
- Isaiah 54:1 WEB
"He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!"
- Psalm 113:9 ESV
@@matthewschardtii1338Ah jes the good old abrahamic religions where woman do not even have souls, are only good to beat child's and not allowed into any higher nobility.
I think women back then just got used to these cruel societies and sucked it up to not lose their sanity.
@@peachesandcream22 makes so much sense
I think people were less intelligent and more animalistic in those times. There's very few benefits for women to have children especially multiple, but the vast majority still wanted them in the medieval times. Kind of like animals who expire after they breed. We evolved since then, our brains and bodies are larger and we live longer. People were still basically cavemen in those times.
In previous life she was a snake, and ate birds unhatched bebes just to survive, and she got punished in human life... Does it mean back then eating eggs was considered a sin? Or all animals were sinful for eating eggs except humans? 🤔And how does it works - she goes to heck, for not being fertile. She got infertile as a punishment for sin in her snake life... Wasn't she supposed to be in heck after snake life? Its like geting a time out, because you got a time out!
Yes, they didn’t think that one quite through well
So, I've got to wonder how many children those nuns of Kumano had themselves.
I think this was their recruitment strategy. Wicked if you bear, wicked if you don't, why wouldn't you join them to escape this choice
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@@liliya_aseevaEvil! Jesus is the way.
It's not like they didn't had children themselfs. As I said in other comment, those women were probably "old" women that werent' more useful to society as they couldn't bear children and/or weren't pretty/young anymore.
@@liliya_aseeva I'm talking by memory and dedution, but I think there was not reason for them recruit members. Mostly of Japanese knowledge history was wrote and told by the nobility, and as far as I know, to become a Nun was reserved by the Court "old" ladies. So I guess the reason as they will scare others women was maybe to sell charms or rituals. Not different of what any cult do today. Just a guess.
i thought being infertile was a punishment bad enough due to how was it was frown upon and such, but apparently it can get worse
It can always get worse. Such is life.
@@saymyname2417 Humans really can be just plain awful to eachother
When your punishment is a sin that gets you an even worse punishment.
Well hopefully none of them actually went to hell, they just got scammed into thinking they will
@@slashine1071 Buddhist hells aren't like Christian Hell. Everyone goes to a hell, because existing is suffering. Only on Earth, as a human, and achieving enlightenment takes you some place besides hell.
Telling women they'll go to hell for not having kids is so gross...
Not able to have children due to inferility not simply for not having kids.
@@jahirareyes1102 THAT’S WORSE
@@WhatisthisgremlinYeah, people back then were pretty ignorant. Punishing women for not having kids not because it was her choice not to but because she physically couldn’t. :,)
I like how you added in King Yemma to represent those in charge of hell. R.I.P. Akira Toriyama.
Even in works of fiction like dragonball, we can see the influence of older story's.
Believing in karma means the woman and the emperor were never supposed to have children, rather than her being at fault.
That would have been the shlick but then again...
Women 🍵
_turns to watch at buddhist-nuns_
@@MalekitGJ we women are awesome. And so are men. 😍
That would be a belief in fate, not karma.
@@xn85d2 karma is similar to what people think of fate. Though it's really complex and what people commonly know does not even scratch the surface. Even what I know is surface level really.
@@alittleofsomething Can you actually explain why the idea of someone being 'supposed to' have a certain result or not would be linked to karma?
There is certainly the idea of karmic credit, that is, taking actions in line with positive objective moral virtues will accrue some form of cosmic currency which will then be paid back in results. Normally this might be a better reincarnation but can also take the form of fortuitous events - and likewise with negative karma and negative results. However, there is no concept of 'inevitability' of any one result in particular, as far as I know.
If there is some form of karmic inevitability then ultimately it's a blind, arbitrary, and unjust system that forces people to be what they are then punishes or rewards them for it; exactly the problem which the video highlights in this particular teaching of Japanese Buddhism.
So
Women who died in childbirth are sent to hell for "pouring blood on the earth"
Yet
Women who are barren also got sent to hell?
😂😂😂
in my religion , woman who die in childbirth can go to heaven . its called "Jihad For women "
and there no shame for women who infertil cause child given by GOD .
@@maryss8767same this just makes me respect my religion more because it was the first religion on planet earth that gave women human rights
@@misakimei3102 whats your religion ?
@@misakimei3102regardless of what your religion is, that seems pretty unlikely.
Women against women? That is sad.😢
Humans against humans in general
Literally your average women
@@genghiskhan5701 not really
@@genghiskhan5701 depends on where you live
"that is sisterhood"...
talk about women's history month 😭💀
It sounds like something tradwives® would tell women . Misery loves company.
Are you really the kind of person that thinks that tradwifes are this evil group that wants to force other women to have children against their will?
I’m infertile. You’d think the hell on earth for being called “useless” and “not a real woman” amongst the other ridicule would be bad enough.
I’m pretty sure there’s also a hell for children who die. They’re punished because they caused suffering for their parents and have to stack rocks by a special river. Every time they almost finish, a demon comes and knocks it over.
That fate kind of reminds me of Sisyphus for some reason, where this guy in Greek mythology has to roll a boulder up a hill for eternity, but it always rolls back down.
Men never considered that they might be the ones who were sterile!
I wonder if the idea of the "barren hell" would have been a thing if men realised they could be sent there too smh
Every new Linfamy makes me hate the culture and society of medieval Japan more and more.
It's just happen he cover Japan society, u will be surprised with how ur own medieval culture do things
In my locality's ancient culture it's pretty opposite, having too many kids will deplete your good omen according to shamans hence they forbid girls in eating conjoined fruits. It was thought that our lore of infant-like entities that prey on families who took them to their homes were a by-product of this practice. They were left by their mothers in the forest to perish only to return as a vengeful spirit incapable of rationality and any form of compassion is alien to them.
That's too bad, I enjoy learning about ancient cultures and how perspectives change over time.
@@vilyar122I don’t think he is saying he doesn’t enjoy learning
There is a reason medieval periods are colloquially coined "the dark ages".
Proof that any spiritual practice, once manifested into a religious dogma, becomes evil. Buddhism was supposed to be the chosen one, lol, but people corrupt everything.
As far as I know, Buddhism teaches that a believer's ultimate goal should be giving up all desires for enlightenment, and sex and child-bearing are the greatest of desires. Doesn't make sense.
Idk, Mahayana Buddhism and its branches are weird.
Mahayana and Vajrayana are super-weird because they have historically been far more adaptable to local cultures when compared to Theravada. Hence, this story about being able to eventually reach Buddhahood if you pop out enough kids. If you said this to a Theravadin, then they'd laugh at your face lol. It really doesn't make sense when you think about core Buddhist principles.
@@KhukuriGod Just as you said, Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhism are adaptable to their local cultures, but this has caused pretty weird stray teachings from the Buddha's path.
They literally treat Gautam Buddha like a god, and idk have a thousand other Buddhas. The thing is that from its earliest stages, Mahayana Buddhism attracted people from all flocks and ideologies, so it had to either sacrifice numbers for the true philosophy or vice versa. They chose the latter.
Because of this, Mahayana Buddhism is basically the representative of Buddhism on the international scale, while Theravada is far more traditional but also minuscule.
The thing is that Buddhism is a religion for ascetics, people who are ready to give up this world. This is not something for the masses, which can be practiced by everyone, so intense modification took place. Often mixing a flavor of the local culture to make it more appealing.
Mahayana Buddhism teaches the exact opposite of what Buddhism stands for, all Mahayana Buddhist do is worshipping Bodhisattvas and try their best to look orthodox.
Mahayana is basically catholic Church of Buddhism.
This edges and illogical teachings are part of every religion.
They are intentionally keept in to catch the attention of any bystander.
They form the spiderweb which catches new souls - while the religion itself, the spider is hiding somewhere near.
@@molybdaen11 You might be right, but this is literally the complete opposite of what the Buddha taught.
Mahayana Buddhists say that you can attain Nirvana (devoid of ALL desires) by having bebes, which is itself the greatest desire.
WTF?
This was one of the hardest watches for me so far. On par, with the mabiki. It's just awful. They scared women of dying childless. Scared them of dying in labour.
And then they say it's her own fault? How does hell even make sense then? Didn't she make up for it by not having kids, even if that were true?
Ugh... Why do all religions seem to be so toxic instead of uplifting?
Power. It's like meth, but worse.
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women.
"“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth;
break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh."
- Isaiah 54:1 WEB
"He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!"
- Psalm 113:9 ESV
@@matthewschardtii1338curious considering how badly many christian sects view Ace people (specially women) and women who choose to be childfree, regardless if they are baren or not.
@@AnonimusQualquer You'd think they'd hold Paul, the originator of the church basically, in higher regard. The guy himself wrote about how it's best not to marry and all.
@@AnonimusQualquer Christianity made single, chaste life in pursuit of holiness a respectable and even desirable position in the West and middle east in a new way. The general Christian objection to chosen childlessness and asexuality is that these things are being embraced for reasons of comfort and self indulgence rather than the discomfort and self denial that Christians value in nuns, priests, monks, and hermits.
There more I learn about life in medieval Japan the more I know how it suck to be a woman in those time.
Not like the men had it much better.
Up until the 20th century, life everywhere sucks and you are always in danger
But it was ok to send babies back 😆
You have to female juuuuust right.😂
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women.
"“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth;
break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh."
- Isaiah 54:1 WEB
"He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!"
- Psalm 113:9 ESV
Cool. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, I guess. Now if only it didn’t blame women for being raped.
Buddhism doesn't teach this either
Doesn't the Bible also say that women are saved through childbirth?
@stuffynosepatrol Not literally. It's most likely a prophecy about how through Eve, one of her decendents would crush the head of the serpent. In Christianity that's referring to Jesus and we believe that Jesus offers citizenship in Heaven as a free gift through faith in Him.
"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”"
- Genesis 3:15 NIV
@@matthewschardtii1338 "not literally" you can't prove that. That's just your personal interpretation of the bible.
Either way I'm not going to worship a god who apparently orders child abuse
Arrrgh this is extremely interesting but tough to watch. I remember being in a freshman level college class about various religions, and when we were talking about Karma, the professor said people who have disabilities brought them upon themselves in a past life. As a person with a disability including chronic severe pain, which I was particularly struggling with adjusting to college life, I LOST IT. I asked him to clarify, he repeated himself, and I was so upset I said “this suffering is NOT my fault” and I gathered my stuff and scooted out of class. I didn’t mean to be dramatic, I was just so burning with anger and frustration.
And now as an adult, I also suffered infertility and still live with the room I planned to be the nursery painted in the decor scheme I had planned - Beatrix Potter. It’s there taunting me, but it’s also beautiful. Not having kids when you wanted them and grew up planning for them and fully expecting them and collecting name books, is heartbreaking. I still sometimes wonder what my kids would’ve been like. What it would be like to be a family. I have my dogs, and I anthropomorphize them sooo much. But they are with us for such an unfair amount of time, and in the end, they suffer. Loving means grieving; I guess that’s a worthwhile lesson.
Ooops, better end this rant.
Interestingly, in contrast to this, the Bible doesnt look down upon barren women.
"“Sing, barren, you who didn’t give birth;
break out into singing, and cry aloud, you who didn’t travail with child:
for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife,” says Yahweh."
- Isaiah 54:1 WEB
"He gives the barren woman a home, making her the joyous mother of children. Praise the Lord!"
- Psalm 113:9 ESV
Something that makes Christianity unique amoung world religions is that its the only religion where the Almighty God purposely pursues us.
In many other religions, your performance and behavior dictates if that god will accept or reject you. However, in Christianity Yahweh God willingly chose to incarnate in a human body.
Since Heaven is without sin, no sin can enter. That's why we can't do more good Deeds than bad deeds to get into Heaven. So Jesus lived a perfectly sinless life on our behalf. Then Jesus willingly died on a cross dying a death he did not deserve to pay our sin debt in full. Next on the Third Day God the Father raised Jesus from the dead physically for our Justification. Then Jesus ascended into Heaven and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father and will someday physically return. Jesus will forever be God in a human body, the second person of the trinity.
Unlike in other religions where you have to earn a place in Heaven, Jesus offers citizenship in Heaven as a free gift. In order to receive that gift of salvation all you need to place your faith(trust) in Jesus for your salvation.
At the moment you believe, the Holy Spirit the Third person of the Tri-une God indwells you. You become a living temple of God and you are sealed by God. You are made a citizen of Heaven.
In Christianity we do good works because we are saved, not in order to get saved.
"We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.
27 Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith. 28 So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law."
- Romans 3:22-28 NLT
"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
- Philippians 2:5-11 ESV
For this reason I don’t like the idea of reincarnation. The idea itself isn’t that bad but how people try to justify their behavior and the flaws in the world by that religion is sick. Do know this was never ever your fault. And that there is an quite an chance that they are wrong. A lot of people believe that reincarnation isn’t true but a trick by Satan to trick people into bad behavior. Just look how many people who believe in reincarnation treat others because they “deserve it”. Even if that was true kindness doesn’t cost and thing and why do these people think they can treat others badly without suffering consequences themselves in another life? What I mean is don’t worry just try to live your life and leave the haters behind. Just because they think so doesn’t make it true
Omg... Don't want to know what those pseudo theologists smoked to say that. It is equal to non baptist children go to hell etc.
Non baptised children don't go to hell. Catholics believe they go to purgatory until they get into heaven
It is a shit belive to keep people in their hands. By the way purgatoty another part of hell, made by mixing in underworlds of pagan religions, are totaly an unknown concept for early Christians. Means unnatural inflicted dogmas that got straight cut out from at least the Lutheran church after a bigger divideing. Christian belives are equaly messed up. Since it is a forced on people Religion since Medival times. So you can still buy your soul Out of hell If you are catholic, this Marketing campain seems to be equaly to all organized religions
@@josedorsaith5261 doesn't make IT better purgatoty is just pre-hell means another Location.
Still fucked up that you are essentially tortured before even having the chance to experience life, all because someone ate a damn apple generations ago, and there is still a chance that you might go to hell if you fail your 2nd trial.
@@vladstefan5216 yup but in every Case of fucked Up monney grabbing Religion you or someone Else can buy Out your Soul.
Sounds like the emperor must have done something terrible in a past life to deserve a barren wife. Where’s his punishment?
Emperors had several wifes, concubines, slaves, you name it. Enough kitty to have at least some bebes
@@PraiseJ-Pope But this one didn’t, since he had no children at all. His barren wife had to be his only partner.
Also, I thought reincarnation punished you for being bad by having you reincarnate into a lower lifeform. So how does an egg-eating snake (so just a snake; nothing wrong with it for a snake) reincarnate into a human?
If you can stop someone from reaching enlightenment by not being able to give birth and this sends you to a lifetime of torment but your spouse can release you from having a lifetime of torment by creating a statue and praying. Do they not get sent to a hell for not doing so?
It's called propitiation and the practice is definitely a Hindu throwback.
Buddha never said about hell for women who couldn't have a child.
It's just ancient japan machination.
Interestingly, a similar idea of "if you are suffering that means it's your fault" is also present in some Christian denominations. For example, in Orthodoxy, children are responsible for the sins of the people on their family tree. So, if someone near them (a parent or a grandparent) sinned, their children would pay up to God for their sins.
Obviously, this would manifest in some bs bullying done by adults who haven't grown out of their highschool itch era.
What?! I didn’t know that yet I grew up in an orthodox Christian country… yet my family isn’t religious. That’s awful!
Well, humanity is collectively responsible, for destroying the enviroment,
thats why mother Nature must punish all of us.
Also, If you still benefit from the wrongdoings of your ancestors
(like the great grandchildren of former slave owners do) then obviously, you should be held accountable
@@tokio6332 I also grew up in an Orthodox Christian country in a non-religious household. Wish people around me were as non-religious and as chill as my family.
I've been Orthodox for more than a decade and I have never heard that. It sounds like Soviet antireligious propaganda.
It is so funny, specially since Buddhism in its purest state (before even Hinayana) was essentially an anti-natalist philosophy
Whats funny is there is also apparently a hell for men who died before siring offspring as well
But no one talks about that, because man
Haven't watched yet, is the hell an eternal family gathering where you make polite chit chat and then get sidelined by the "when are you having kids question?" And then it just keeps escalating as people make micro aggressive comments about how "your sister didn't have ANY trouble," "have you tried...," "well, maybe if you would just...", "i knew we shouldn't have let you..."
For eternity.
In earlier Buddhism from India, in Hinduism and Jainism as well, not having kids too was not desirable, it was not considered exactly a sin, but a backlog, not just for women but for men also.
According to believes, a person collects different debts from different sources. From anscestors, one collects debt of lineage, from parents, one collects debt of love and care as well as upbringing they gave you. These debts could be laid off giving birth to children to continue lineage and giving parental love and care to next generation. One cant get salvation if bound by debts.
If one did not have children, people could even adopt children.