I like what this scene was going for, but personally, I think it would've been much stronger if this speech was about The Doctor lamenting over how Sutekh (in the millennia he's travelled in the TARDIS for) still chose death and destruction instead of seeing the beauty of the universe like The Doctor does, and he views that as a defeat or failing on his part.
That would have been much better honestly. I'm not sure why the Doctor feels bad about killing something that had the sole purpose of killing absolutely everything. It certainly doesn't make him a monster to kill Sutekh.
@@whereami2477It’s because the Doctor views all life in the universe as precious, no matter how good or bad they are. When the Doctor said that he prided himself, he meant that he is living up to his namesake, meaning that he is the Doctor, a good man. Because of his namesake, the Doctor believes that he does not have the right to destroy any life whatsoever. Also, throughout the Doctor’s many lives, he was put into situations where he has done many questionable things that haunt him still, including killing Sutekh. The 15th Doctor is more expressive with his emotions than his past iterations.
I have a theory that Sutekh was duplicated along with the Tardis in the Giggle when the Toymaker's domain was still lingering, so even if this Sutekh that was revealed is destroyed, there is potentially another Sutekh hiding on the Fourteenth Doctor's Tardis still waiting to return.
Sutekh killing every living being in the universe would have been a better cliffhanger for the last episode. And it would have given them more time in this episode to actually make it good.
I don’t know what Russell T. Davis or whoever is doing with the 14th Doctor, but it would’ve made since to use him and the other TARDIS inside of a Memory TARDIS.
Nine is the Lone Soldier, Ten is the Triumphant Time Lord, Eleven is the Man who Runs, Twelve is the Good Man, Thirteen is the Woman of Hope, and who is Fifteen? The Man who brings Death.
@@DoctorErikait's not stretching it if it makes perfect sense hahaha and is what happened. I mean if you look at their conversation I'd say the TARDIS didn't extent it's forcefield to help jack but instead wanted him to be thrown off but jack kept ahold of it, he kept dying due to suffocation but also kept consciousness otherwise how else would he have been able to hold on (kinda doesn't make sense but tbh we've seen him die without dying physically so maybe hahahaha) Clara for example didn't die but the TARDIS had extended the force field to keep her safe, definitely didn't do the same with jack so he more than likely kept dying hence why he was dead when they landed (and then came back obviously)
@@Vicioussnakeboythat’s lame that we never got a mention of Salamander during that time. Would have been a fun acknowledgment in the canon even if it was something as simple as Clara reading a newspaper with him on it
"What's death, if not a part of time? What's the lord of death, if not a part of the timelord? I'm the Doctor and i'll show you the infinity of time, where even the death can die"
i really like the changes of the time vortex as it becomes the 2005 time vortex then turns into the 2010 time vortex its just my favourite change of part
@@jorjlim well, as u can look at the vortex it instantly changes the fog into time streams and the 2005 vortex has blue and red so its the time streams and the color u can notice
I think the Doctor, was still coming to terms, that there was only one way to save everyone. That action means he has to break his code. While he has had to do that before, he was hoping to never have to do that again. Sutekh was by far, the most dangerous bieng he has faced. An almost unstoppable force. It was really the only way. Nothing else woked. In the end, everyone was saved. However despite his end, Sutekh still won.
@@LightCoreDragon The Doctor was always Death's greatest champion. His record in the Fatality Index is, quite possible, the most extensive of any being in the universe.
@@sorrowandsufferin924 Just imagine that the guy who looked up the Doctor has had his wrist computer finally getting to the end of the list. Just in time for him to see Sutekh added as the last entry as the ticking stops. He recognizes the name.
1:25 If you listen closely to Sutekh's scream, part of it sounds exactly like Dark Gaia from Sonic Unleashed, specifically in the pre rendered cutscene when he transforms into Perfect Dark Gaia.
It just doesn't work though. Surely the Bad Wolf entity, described as a nigh-omnipotent and omniscient being, knew Sutekh was hiding and would have wiped him from existence. Bare in mind RTD wrote that episode as well. I like the idea, but it just doesn't work - unless you want to retcon almost the entire of Doctor Who.
Is anyone else wondering why the "Super" rope he designed so easily snapped just by closing the Tardis door on it? Wasn't the already closed when the Dr. was talking to Ruby? and why does the Vortex kill Sutek if his hands and feet streaming through the Vortex brought everyone back to life, why does it now disintegrate him on contact?? So confused about the timey whimey logic in this scene. lol
I wanna say it’s cause He was Attached to the TARDIS and when the doors that probably are designed to close REALLY TIGHT, chopped the “Totally Super” Rope Idk the whole thing but I liked the scene personally it was the first time we saw the Raw power of the TARDIS and the Time vortex
Considering Tenant's 14 is now staying on Earth and becomes The Curator in Day of The Doctor, you could very well be right that this Doctor becomes The Valeyard@@homuraakemi103
@@homuraakemi103 considering we know Tenant's 14 is living on Earth and becomes The Curator in The Day of The Doctor after retiring, 15 becoming The Valeyard isn't off the table. It could very well happen now. And that is a scary thought
@@autumbreeze1129the vagueness of “between 12 and your last regeneration” kinda means until they offically kill the show the Valeyard is a thread they could feesable pull on forever and never have to pay off
Since these major villains always come back in some shape and form, my headcanon is if the vortex really did kill him instead of sending him somewhere else or evolving him, a part of him could be still on the 14th’s TARDIS as a backup plan and starting from scratch.
I really tried to like this episode. There were some great moments I must say, but I guess it wasn't enough for me. I'm glad others could enjoy it though.
@@michaelangel6165 idk what another episode would accomplish. This episode did feel rushed, but another episode in between may have done the opposite and made it unnecessarily long and drawn out.
@@TA-zq3ez i think It would do more good then harm. Saxton's Master appeared for 5 episodes on a grand total and for me his presence was one of the most felt ones on the Davies/Tennant era. If Sutekh had the same amount of time, he could've been better developed.
I've recently remembered something. Sutekh might return in future cause last i checked there are 2 Tardis's David Tennant's and Ncuti's Tardis and recently Sutekh "from Ncuti's Tardis" has been destroyed but there not only is there 2 Tardis's there may be another Sutekh clone.
I like to think that Sutekh actually got on the TARDIS in Wild Blue Yonder. When he got on, he wasnt evolved yet so he seduced the TARDIS to let him go on a past version of it (The one after the 4th Doctor trapped him). This is why the TARDIS landed in 1666 next to Isaac Newton, it was trying to get to 1911 but it was a little bit broken at the time. I also like to think that it landed at 1666 to symbolize of Sutekhs coming because of the "666". But hey thats just a headcanon
Considering how ‘attached’ he’s become to the Doctor and even Ruby’s quest on finding her real mother, maybe they could’ve turned him into the Doctor’s pet dog?
Was looking for a comment like this. Beerus is based on Anubis, not Sutekh, but egyptian gods are easy to confuse for one another so thats understandable.
Sutekh may have needed to be put down like a mad dog. But clearly the new Doctor’s brand of justice here is more personally overwhelming than the 4th Doctor’s might have been in Pyramids Of Mars.
When the 11th Doctor literally talks with the TARDIS in The Doctor’s Wife, wouldn’t she just tell him “hey not only is this guy trying to kick me out, we’ve had a stowaway for ages,”. Also when she destroys the being who kicked her out, why not destroy Sutkeh as well?
She didn't say it for the same reason why the doctor is half human but also a space Jesus but also 100% time lord and at the same time not. Sometimes the writers don't think of the implications.
So you are saying that a litteral god can be held down and dragged trough time and space by a bungie cord that can be snaped by two blunt doors closing slowly... sure
To quote Rick O'Connell: "GO TO HELL!!!! AND TAKE YOUR FRIENDS WITH YOU!!!" (From the 2001 American action fantasy thriller film "The Mummy Returns", the 2nd installment in "The Mummy" trilogy)
@@ACanOfBakedBeans Well, with his account being 13 years active and the content of his uploads being a mature adult 10 years ago that would make the age gap quite significant, so the badge "Creep" is very fitting.
@@ACanOfBakedBeans 3 years above consent, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to thirst after a teenager when you're pushing 30.
I've not watched the new season of Doctor Who, so I'm a little confused. Is the poor doggo that the Doctor took on a walkie in the time vortex supposed to be Sutekh...I thought he died in Pyramids of Mars.
You've not missed much, an episode with talking babies and a snot monster that was made for reasons that don't make sense. A musical with bad music and where the god of mus8c wants to prevent music from being made, which doesn't really make much sense. An episode where the doctor spends the whole story standing on a smart landmine, which is ticking down cause it is assessing whether he's a worthy target and will explode either way and the plot is resolved with the power of love (like closing time but without the jokes). A pointless story where nothing every happened, nothing is explained and no one remembers it ever happening. A story where the doctor falls madly in love with someone after one conversation. And a two parter that insults one of the powerful villains in doctor who by having them beaten by a piece of rope. I would try to explain what is going on here but the episode doesn't even bother to do that.
In Pyramids of Mars the Doctor send Sutekh into the future to his death so I find this ending quite fitting as he fulfills this "promise" he did to Sutekh almost 50 years ago by sending him into the time vortex.
But that sutekh was a mortal alien This sutekh is full on actual god whose more powerful both the toymaker and the guardians of Time, He should be able to survive it
@@andrewfuller3319 i mean, according to the lore, even before godhood, sutekh was able to casually travel in the vortex by creating time storms with his psychic powers
I appreciate what this scene's going for - the Doctor seeing himself as the yang (life) to Sutekh's yin (death), but has to momentarily also represent yin in order to defeat his nemesis, and it does feel real cathartic to see Sutekh get what's coming to him, but let me say the name again - Sutekh. You know, the all-powerful, all-seeing titan of death of destruction, and he's defeated by god(Sutekh)damn space walkies. Just shows that RTD has not learned his lesson with when it comes to series finales - he always sets the stakes so ridiculously high, which results in him writing himself into a corner and then has to resort to an easy defeat, usually a reset button, or in this instance, a rope.
Maybe i read between the lines too much but i thought it all made sense. Sutekh has grown in power latching onto the Tardis and only taken corporeal form in these episodes. The body is destroyed here and unbound from the tardis, his mind is scattered and powerless. His dust of death was surely a massive paradox? Sutekh destroyed Earth hundreds of times. 2045 and 2024 can't exist if he also destroyed any previous Earth the tardis visited as well. He was always hugging the Tardis to maintain the paradox, a bit like Series 3 with The Master and the Toclafane. Returning to the vortex undoes the paradox and left in the vortex he dies like the Fourth Doctor intended in Pyramids of Mars I also am speculating that he isn't the god of all gods, father of them all, he's just a blowhard
(No Who expert) Because of him being thrown into the Vortex, Sutekh is kinda like ink, diluting The Doctor's timestream, thus the entire universes.' Because of him being thrown into the Vortex, Sutekh is a true god, like Rose as Bad Wolf. So Sutekh is now the reason that the War Doctor exists, thus why all of creation as it does now exists. This moment is not the death of Sutekh, it's it's true apotheosis.
"Become a monster" feels a bit, late? The Doctor has done monstrous things. Does this line refer to that this is the first kill by The Doctor since regeneration? The subtext is apologising to Ruby, because he's about to perform an action that will conflict heavily with his projected characteristic of a Chaos Paragon. I wished the line reflect it being an apology more. Because the line as it stands doesn't make sense to me.
Seeing Sutekh in New Who was amazing as I wasn't around when it was the 4th doctor's tenure. The Sutekh memes have been pretty funny but I assume why he didn't die straight away was because he was inside the tardis's protective bubble. I hope we see Sutekh again in the future.
@davidblyth6886 Nah. I'm being honest and It's actually pretty funny that you called me a shill because you are watching a video of a show that you seem not to like.
There was too quick a jump “from the universe is dead there’s nothing I can do” to “let’s catch Sutekh with a whistle and a bit of rope”. No discussion, no dramatic build up, no tension.
Unfortunately you're right... I didn't enjoy much the season, except only a few times. But I was interested after episode 7. And they succeeded to mess it up...
ya... that 180 is a bit jarring. there should had been more of a eureka moment. but it came off like the doctor who just playing coy the entire time and knew he would triumph because his villains plans are always half baked.
The real question is did it actually destroy him? Cuz it is the time vortex, so for all we know he could have just been spat out in some future place and time
I feel bad for this Doctor. Here he was, a Doctor unburdened by the guilt of what he had to do to end the Time War. And in the end he had no choice but to take his first life. 😢
Before Sutekh revealed himself there was a scene where Mrs. Floods says "The one who waits, waits no more" so I´m assuming it was Sutekh but that could again be just a red hearing and someone else also arrived. The Meep mentioned "The Boss" who could be the one who waits.
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I thought it was a great Season finale. Big and bold and of course everybody except Sutekh wins. Not all that happy with the first 5 minutes. That was hard.
Russells own world building makes this whole thing not make any sense 1. The TARDIS has an oxygen radius not to be confused with a shield that can protect you from the time vortex 2. Any shields the TARDIS has cannot protect you from the vortex as Captain Jack died hanging onto the outside (which also begs the question of how he didnt feel Scooby Doo sitting invisible on top of it) 3. The TARDIS cloister bells would go off and it would refuse to leave somewhere it sensed a danger like Sutekh 4. Scanning for life around the TARDIS has been done several times since the 4th Doctor with nothing found 5. The Tardis has been blown up by the Silence (somehow still unclear), almost melted in the Crucible, has gone dead due to things like Fathers Day and was turned into a Paradox machine, but Sutekh was just chilling and it didnt bother him 6. You mean to tell me Sutekh couldnt unleash a tiny hook from his neck and we are supposed to believe the Toymaker feared him
Id just like to say that the airshell cannot work in the vortex as its just the TARDIS's sheikds filled with.. .. air. And its vortex sheilds CAN protect someone from the efgects of the vortex... if it had enough time to expand/adgust over the person during takeoff like it did with clara. The doors hanging wide open? No. It cannot so that.
If Sutekh hid himself in form of this black sand the TARDIS maybe didn´t registrate that as a "life form" Sutekh couldn´t unleash the rope because the Doctor used the same technology Rogue did with his trap and when Ruby hooked it onto Sutekh it made a connection with him on a molecular level so he wasn´t able to break free aka as the intelligent rope. For the scenarios where the TARDIS got destroyed (where obvioulsy the continuation of Sutekh´s story wasn´t done yet) my guess is that Sutekh was so determined that he rather go down with the ship instead of giving it up and therefore giving up his plan of revenge.
I have a headcanon that this scene alone actually was the real Sutekh being killed by the doctor, the rest was actually a more powerful being who looked like him.
He didn't survive the vortex. He latched himself onto the Tardis to survive. This time he couldn't do that and lived to death like he was supposed to the last time.
Not impressed with this. Sutekh looks too much like Scooby Doo and his end reminds me of Clark Griswold tying the dog to the bumper in National Lampoons Vacation.
He should have brought up the history that he shared with the Doctor since he’s been with him all this time. But, even gods fall to a good man who is pushed too far.
I mean, the doctor has broken his no kill rule a bunch over new who, but I feel like the writers want this to be a big moment where The Doctor Kills, in a way that Changes Things. We'll have to see how that plays out.
Also I wish when it was "JUST THIS TIME everybody lives" but nope we needed the Endgame reverse snap. Wouldn't it have been more meaningful fore some characters to stay dead? We DO remember Missy for killing Osgood, we do remember Danny Pink for sacrificing himself, don't we? We do remember Amelia Pond for preferring finding Rory in Angels take Manhattan, right?
The Doctor suffered all his lives... Because of Sutekh. Now, he brings peace and love and prosperity. The Doctor isn't just a Time Lord; He's a Time God of Life!
... I only forgive how nonsensical it is that he's lamenting being a killer over the fact that this is supposed to be the 'healed' Doctor that's just adventuring again. Funny how we didn't even go one full season before we're dragging him back to his old ways, though. EDIT: I just remembered his first special he killed the Goblin King by impaling the big bastard on the church. Forget what I said, this makes no fucking sense.
@@TheRegularHedgehog575 the shots and the cuts make no sense 😂. One prime example: how many times does the camera have to duck beneath the leash consecutively? And there are so many weird moments in such a short clip, many of which aren't communicating visually
This scene was phenomenal! That's how you setup darker hues in a doctor that thought he'd split from all that literally. Got a bit to recover from now so interested to see where he goes and how he grows. Parallel it him saving the booger beast in ep1 to putting the god dog down. Onwards!
You know, this is the last thing you should share on youtube: The dramatic defeat of the special effects heavy villain. If you want to entice me to watch the show, probably best to show me the near victory of the villain and then recomend the channel/website where I can see the rest. IDK. I don't own a serialized drama
I like what this scene was going for, but personally, I think it would've been much stronger if this speech was about The Doctor lamenting over how Sutekh (in the millennia he's travelled in the TARDIS for) still chose death and destruction instead of seeing the beauty of the universe like The Doctor does, and he views that as a defeat or failing on his part.
Oh my god that's such a good point
That would have been much better honestly. I'm not sure why the Doctor feels bad about killing something that had the sole purpose of killing absolutely everything. It certainly doesn't make him a monster to kill Sutekh.
@@whereami2477Well, that's because The Doctor's no-kill rule is just as ridiculous as Batman's, if not worse.
@@whereami2477It’s because the Doctor views all life in the universe as precious, no matter how good or bad they are. When the Doctor said that he prided himself, he meant that he is living up to his namesake, meaning that he is the Doctor, a good man. Because of his namesake, the Doctor believes that he does not have the right to destroy any life whatsoever. Also, throughout the Doctor’s many lives, he was put into situations where he has done many questionable things that haunt him still, including killing Sutekh. The 15th Doctor is more expressive with his emotions than his past iterations.
Amazing comment.
Can't believe the Doctor killed Scooby-Doo like that😔
Nah, that was scrappy.
A sad moment to see 😢
Ah ha
LOL. His little speech made ZERO sense, because Sutekh ended up dying as a result of the Doctor's action leading to the severed tether...
@@riversong201um... that's why he said Sutekh won. Because the Doctor, who prides himself on life, had to kill to stop him.
I have a theory that Sutekh was duplicated along with the Tardis in the Giggle when the Toymaker's domain was still lingering, so even if this Sutekh that was revealed is destroyed, there is potentially another Sutekh hiding on the Fourteenth Doctor's Tardis still waiting to return.
You might be right, unless, Sutekh hopped from Fourteenth's TARDIS to Fifteen's when he duplicated it?
I have the same theory
Maybe that explains why this sutekh was nothing like class8c who sutekh, who wouldn't be stopped by a piece of rope.
@@charlestownsend9280 Tell me you didn't pay attention without telling me you didn't pay attention
@@charlestownsend9280 They explained why the rope was as strong as it is. It ties into a previous episode too. Like I said not paying attention
Sutekh killing every living being in the universe would have been a better cliffhanger for the last episode. And it would have given them more time in this episode to actually make it good.
True
I don’t know what Russell T. Davis or whoever is doing with the 14th Doctor, but it would’ve made since to use him and the other TARDIS inside of a Memory TARDIS.
He claims that Doctor's story is done @@KalebKing88
Sutekh used the Thanos card but he did worse
I thought it was good... but yeah, I think Sutekh wiping out all life would've made a much better cliffhanger.
Nine is the Lone Soldier, Ten is the Triumphant Time Lord, Eleven is the Man who Runs, Twelve is the Good Man, Thirteen is the Woman of Hope, and who is Fifteen?
The Man who brings Death.
Speaking of the vortex, Captain Jack almost survived the vortex by hang on to the TARDIS until it landed.
Or he just kept dying...
@@rlawnqls159Jack probbaly kept dying due to being well human and not a god but thats also stretching it
@@DoctorErikait's not stretching it if it makes perfect sense hahaha and is what happened.
I mean if you look at their conversation I'd say the TARDIS didn't extent it's forcefield to help jack but instead wanted him to be thrown off but jack kept ahold of it, he kept dying due to suffocation but also kept consciousness otherwise how else would he have been able to hold on (kinda doesn't make sense but tbh we've seen him die without dying physically so maybe hahahaha)
Clara for example didn't die but the TARDIS had extended the force field to keep her safe, definitely didn't do the same with jack so he more than likely kept dying hence why he was dead when they landed (and then came back obviously)
So he survived and evolved in the vortex for millennia clinging onto the tardis, but now it destroys him?
Tardis protective field
Remember, he was attached to the tardis. He died being aged to death by touching the walls of the vortex.
You can swim in water fine, but you can also drown in it
@@keelanbarron928ok but remember he evolved he's a timeless god like the toymaker and trixter and maestro so that doesn't make sense
@@ryanconnor3480yes but he was in there before he grabbed onto the Tardis look at the books aswell how he survived for so long aswell
He can meet with Salamander. That guy is also out there in the vortex.
😭 maybe they could cling onto the tardis together after
can’t wait for the reveal next season that Salamander has been clinging onto the TARDIS for the past 56 years
@@doctorwhyyt11he can play catch with Salamander
@@CaJoel That story took place in 2018 (I think) so technically it's only been 7 years
Goddamn my overspecificness is showing again
@@Vicioussnakeboythat’s lame that we never got a mention of Salamander during that time. Would have been a fun acknowledgment in the canon even if it was something as simple as Clara reading a newspaper with him on it
"What's death, if not a part of time? What's the lord of death, if not a part of the timelord? I'm the Doctor and i'll show you the infinity of time, where even the death can die"
Oooh, very Lovecraftian of ya~
*Time is Sight*
*Gravity is Desire*
*The Worm Loves Us*
*And So It Has Always Loved Us*
The Doctor is no monster. He is the man who stops the monsters
They are non-binary
i really like the changes of the time vortex as it becomes the 2005 time vortex then turns into the 2010 time vortex its just my favourite change of part
I didn’t see the 2005 vortex, but the 2010 is clear
@@jorjlim well, as u can look at the vortex it instantly changes the fog into time streams and the 2005 vortex has blue and red so its the time streams and the color u can notice
nvm its just the color lol
@@someonethatiscool1 can you give timestamps for 2005 and 2010 please? Not sure what I'm meant to be looking for. thanks
Sutekh: from fondly remembered, well regarded Classic Series villain to doggo Internet punchline in the space of just one hour.
@@TheValeyard92 Who fans last week: nobody cared about Sutek, why bring him back?
Who fans this week: HOW *DARE* THEY DISRESPECT THE GOAT?
@@AmaranthOriginalNu fans defending slop as always.
@@AmaranthOriginal No, literally nobody said that.
@@TheValeyard92 Lol no need to lie
@@r.k845 where did I defend anything?
funny how they have a heart to heart when old Suht is still hanging outside.
I think the Doctor, was still coming to terms, that there was only one way to save everyone. That action means he has to break his code.
While he has had to do that before, he was hoping to never have to do that again. Sutekh was by far, the most dangerous bieng he has faced. An almost unstoppable force.
It was really the only way. Nothing else woked.
In the end, everyone was saved. However despite his end, Sutekh still won.
@@LightCoreDragon The Doctor was always Death's greatest champion. His record in the Fatality Index is, quite possible, the most extensive of any being in the universe.
@@sorrowandsufferin924 Just imagine that the guy who looked up the Doctor has had his wrist computer finally getting to the end of the list. Just in time for him to see Sutekh added as the last entry as the ticking stops.
He recognizes the name.
Whole of the season and specials: Fear the one who waits
This episode: Aight nevermind
1:25 If you listen closely to Sutekh's scream, part of it sounds exactly like Dark Gaia from Sonic Unleashed, specifically in the pre rendered cutscene when he transforms into Perfect Dark Gaia.
I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE
@@twilite4917me neither!
i didn't know this
It’s a stock sound effect, I for one heard a portion of DOOM 3’s ambience screams featured in Hell
Huh i didn’t catch that.
It just doesn't work though. Surely the Bad Wolf entity, described as a nigh-omnipotent and omniscient being, knew Sutekh was hiding and would have wiped him from existence. Bare in mind RTD wrote that episode as well. I like the idea, but it just doesn't work - unless you want to retcon almost the entire of Doctor Who.
I mean they kind of did that in 2010 with Big Bang 2, the long-term continuity of Doctor Who has always been a bit inconsistent
what if sutekh was the bad wolf
@@abhinavs8109shut up
@@NickHoadoh yeah, how tf did Sutekh survive that.
@@abhinavs8109are you mentally handicapped?
Is anyone else wondering why the "Super" rope he designed so easily snapped just by closing the Tardis door on it? Wasn't the already closed when the Dr. was talking to Ruby? and why does the Vortex kill Sutek if his hands and feet streaming through the Vortex brought everyone back to life, why does it now disintegrate him on contact?? So confused about the timey whimey logic in this scene. lol
There is no logic. It just happened because RTD said so. He probably doesn't know either. Sad state of affairs for this franchise.
I wanna say it’s cause He was Attached to the TARDIS and when the doors that probably are designed to close REALLY TIGHT, chopped the “Totally Super” Rope
Idk the whole thing but I liked the scene personally it was the first time we saw the Raw power of the TARDIS and the Time vortex
It's simple, there is no logic, it's just really bad writing.
There wasn't any. Dr who has been ruined.
The door was open the entire time, he doesn’t close the tardis door until the end of the
Watch out, Doctor, your Valeyard is showing!
That is one theory for how his story ends in absolute terror.
Considering Tenant's 14 is now staying on Earth and becomes The Curator in Day of The Doctor, you could very well be right that this Doctor becomes The Valeyard@@homuraakemi103
Uh oh not the valyard
@@homuraakemi103 considering we know Tenant's 14 is living on Earth and becomes The Curator in The Day of The Doctor after retiring, 15 becoming The Valeyard isn't off the table.
It could very well happen now.
And that is a scary thought
@@autumbreeze1129the vagueness of “between 12 and your last regeneration” kinda means until they offically kill the show the Valeyard is a thread they could feesable pull on forever and never have to pay off
I’m guessing that since the TARDIS was in the vortex at the same time, Sutekh wasn’t able to pull any shenanigans like last time.
Since these major villains always come back in some shape and form, my headcanon is if the vortex really did kill him instead of sending him somewhere else or evolving him, a part of him could be still on the 14th’s TARDIS as a backup plan and starting from scratch.
I really tried to like this episode. There were some great moments I must say, but I guess it wasn't enough for me. I'm glad others could enjoy it though.
If this was a 3 parter then this ending could have worked
@@michaelangel6165 idk what another episode would accomplish. This episode did feel rushed, but another episode in between may have done the opposite and made it unnecessarily long and drawn out.
Same tbh.
@@TA-zq3ez i think It would do more good then harm. Saxton's Master appeared for 5 episodes on a grand total and for me his presence was one of the most felt ones on the Davies/Tennant era. If Sutekh had the same amount of time, he could've been better developed.
@@marcosvfilho8687make that seven episodes
I've recently remembered something. Sutekh might return in future cause last i checked there are 2 Tardis's David Tennant's and Ncuti's Tardis and recently Sutekh "from Ncuti's Tardis" has been destroyed but there not only is there 2 Tardis's there may be another Sutekh clone.
I loved Pyramids of Mars. Why must it be defiled?
I dont know what people are complaining about. This was a good episode. Not perfect but still enjoyable nonetheless.
So... how many years 'till we got Sutekh back?
It's Doctor Who, the doggie is okay in some shape, dimension or form!
Leela was thrown directly into the vortex by the War Master. So I guess Leela is just fundamentally more powerful than death gods.
Leela was known to be built different
Give it another 50 years and he'll be back, maybe even sooner
Absolutely.
Nah. He’s gone for good this time.
I like to think that Sutekh actually got on the TARDIS in Wild Blue Yonder. When he got on, he wasnt evolved yet so he seduced the TARDIS to let him go on a past version of it (The one after the 4th Doctor trapped him). This is why the TARDIS landed in 1666 next to Isaac Newton, it was trying to get to 1911 but it was a little bit broken at the time. I also like to think that it landed at 1666 to symbolize of Sutekhs coming because of the "666". But hey thats just a headcanon
Fuck that would've been much better.
Considering how ‘attached’ he’s become to the Doctor and even Ruby’s quest on finding her real mother, maybe they could’ve turned him into the Doctor’s pet dog?
Yeah, Sutekh... The Mongreloyer.
K9's got that covered.
The score is so Murray Gold I can't even
When you got lord Beerus at home
Was looking for a comment like this.
Beerus is based on Anubis, not Sutekh, but egyptian gods are easy to confuse for one another so thats understandable.
Sutekh may have needed to be put down like a mad dog. But clearly the new Doctor’s brand of justice here is more personally overwhelming than the 4th Doctor’s might have been in Pyramids Of Mars.
Murray gold cooked
Please release the soundtrack for this Season (also Series 10 while at it). The Music in this scene elevates the performance of Gatwa here to 11.
15 in his The Oncoming Storm mode
So true👍
Hello the doctor, the great exterminator - Daleks at the end of season 1 finale 9th doctor
Both Sutekh and Salamander died in the time vortex.
Sutekh was a huge disappointment
When the 11th Doctor literally talks with the TARDIS in The Doctor’s Wife, wouldn’t she just tell him “hey not only is this guy trying to kick me out, we’ve had a stowaway for ages,”. Also when she destroys the being who kicked her out, why not destroy Sutkeh as well?
Sutekh was playing the long game and/or waiting to see if he could hijack House.
She didn't say it for the same reason why the doctor is half human but also a space Jesus but also 100% time lord and at the same time not. Sometimes the writers don't think of the implications.
Sutekh's evolution was a gradual and slow process. It's possible that the Tardis just didn't notice him
So you are saying that a litteral god can be held down and dragged trough time and space by a bungie cord that can be snaped by two blunt doors closing slowly... sure
That's what he's going for.. I guess
If camp bothers you, I think you're watching the wrong show.
@@antonbrakhage490 what ? 🤣
@@antonbrakhage490 or you simply don't understand doctor who. It was never camp during the classic period. Just a sci fi adventure show
@@shaz2761 "WAAAH, YOU'RE NOT A REAL FAN IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME!!!!"
To quote Rick O'Connell: "GO TO HELL!!!! AND TAKE YOUR FRIENDS WITH YOU!!!" (From the 2001 American action fantasy thriller film "The Mummy Returns", the 2nd installment in "The Mummy" trilogy)
Millie Gibson in a tank top tho 😤😫🔥
She's 19, don't be a creep
@@Whiteythereaper 19 is still above the age of consent, you're acting as if she's a damn 14 year old.
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@@ACanOfBakedBeans 3 years above consent, just because it's legal doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to thirst after a teenager when you're pushing 30.
At this point TARDIS must have a monitor that shows life signs of onboard, well, lifeforms....
I've not watched the new season of Doctor Who, so I'm a little confused. Is the poor doggo that the Doctor took on a walkie in the time vortex supposed to be Sutekh...I thought he died in Pyramids of Mars.
It is him, he just hitched a ride on the tardis before it left.
Its entirely possible this is the end of the 7000 years Sutekh managed to live
@@prosecutorwalton Ah, now I get it...I think.
Believe me, you've missed nothing. This new episode was absurd.
You've not missed much, an episode with talking babies and a snot monster that was made for reasons that don't make sense. A musical with bad music and where the god of mus8c wants to prevent music from being made, which doesn't really make much sense. An episode where the doctor spends the whole story standing on a smart landmine, which is ticking down cause it is assessing whether he's a worthy target and will explode either way and the plot is resolved with the power of love (like closing time but without the jokes). A pointless story where nothing every happened, nothing is explained and no one remembers it ever happening. A story where the doctor falls madly in love with someone after one conversation. And a two parter that insults one of the powerful villains in doctor who by having them beaten by a piece of rope.
I would try to explain what is going on here but the episode doesn't even bother to do that.
what an interesting way to walk a dog
In Pyramids of Mars the Doctor send Sutekh into the future to his death so I find this ending quite fitting as he fulfills this "promise" he did to Sutekh almost 50 years ago by sending him into the time vortex.
But that sutekh was a mortal alien
This sutekh is full on actual god whose more powerful both the toymaker and the guardians of Time,
He should be able to survive it
@@Mohammedamine9. who says? gods aren't indestructible, and if they are, what is meant to defeat them?
@@Mohammedamine9. Who knows, maybe only his body got destroyed but his soul survived and somehow will come back again?
@@andrewfuller3319 i mean, according to the lore, even before godhood, sutekh was able to casually travel in the vortex by creating time storms with his psychic powers
@@93Chowo that what happened last time (in the extended media)
And the 7th doctor trapped him in a time loop
I cant believe they killed the 3d cgi dragonball cat 😢
I appreciate what this scene's going for - the Doctor seeing himself as the yang (life) to Sutekh's yin (death), but has to momentarily also represent yin in order to defeat his nemesis, and it does feel real cathartic to see Sutekh get what's coming to him, but let me say the name again - Sutekh. You know, the all-powerful, all-seeing titan of death of destruction, and he's defeated by god(Sutekh)damn space walkies.
Just shows that RTD has not learned his lesson with when it comes to series finales - he always sets the stakes so ridiculously high, which results in him writing himself into a corner and then has to resort to an easy defeat, usually a reset button, or in this instance, a rope.
Noooo sutekh you only just came back 😭
still > Set appearance in Gods of AEgyptus
he never left
....considering he's a popular villain (and was supposed to die in the original story), he'll come back.
Maybe i read between the lines too much but i thought it all made sense.
Sutekh has grown in power latching onto the Tardis and only taken corporeal form in these episodes. The body is destroyed here and unbound from the tardis, his mind is scattered and powerless.
His dust of death was surely a massive paradox? Sutekh destroyed Earth hundreds of times. 2045 and 2024 can't exist if he also destroyed any previous Earth the tardis visited as well. He was always hugging the Tardis to maintain the paradox, a bit like Series 3 with The Master and the Toclafane.
Returning to the vortex undoes the paradox and left in the vortex he dies like the Fourth Doctor intended in Pyramids of Mars
I also am speculating that he isn't the god of all gods, father of them all, he's just a blowhard
Beerus
I think Whis and Beerus would like the Dr . Especially if they can find pudding.
@@laurenceroberts5239 its the crossover we need. 😂
So are we sure that Sutekh is the one who waits?
Valeyard and the War Doctor, the dark side comes out... necessary evil...we all have that.
7 just chilling in the background after committing several genocides.
Dude thinks he's a monster for getting rid of a god of death ... Cringe
Sutekh is shattered by the time vortex so that would mean he survived in the past, present or the future.
He’s not dead, calling it.
Idris during 'the doctors wife': oh yea! Btw, sutekh is clinging to the outside of me. Might want to deal with that.
First the Toymaker now Sutekh I wonder if they’ll bring more old Doctor Who villains and if so who do you think will make a return next
If he brought death to death doesn’t that imply that EVERYONE who ever died came back, wether they were killed by suetekh or not
My eternal plan would've worked too, If it weren't for you, Meddling Kids and that Timelord from Gallifrey, The Doctor and his Companion.
It's not often we see the Doctor use that vortex. In fact it's so rare that I always thought it was just an intro thing until now.
Plot twist, his very being was scattered across time and space and now he is everywhere at all times.
(No Who expert) Because of him being thrown into the Vortex, Sutekh is kinda like ink, diluting The Doctor's timestream, thus the entire universes.' Because of him being thrown into the Vortex, Sutekh is a true god, like Rose as Bad Wolf.
So Sutekh is now the reason that the War Doctor exists, thus why all of creation as it does now exists. This moment is not the death of Sutekh, it's it's true apotheosis.
so... does sutekh still exist outside 14th doctor's tardis that still sauntering around?
"Become a monster" feels a bit, late? The Doctor has done monstrous things.
Does this line refer to that this is the first kill by The Doctor since regeneration?
The subtext is apologising to Ruby, because he's about to perform an action that will conflict heavily with his projected characteristic of a Chaos Paragon. I wished the line reflect it being an apology more. Because the line as it stands doesn't make sense to me.
Seeing Sutekh in New Who was amazing as I wasn't around when it was the 4th doctor's tenure.
The Sutekh memes have been pretty funny but I assume why he didn't die straight away was because he was inside the tardis's protective bubble.
I hope we see Sutekh again in the future.
Shill
@davidblyth6886 Nah. I'm being honest and It's actually pretty funny that you called me a shill because you are watching a video of a show that you seem not to like.
There was too quick a jump “from the universe is dead there’s nothing I can do” to “let’s catch Sutekh with a whistle and a bit of rope”. No discussion, no dramatic build up, no tension.
Unfortunately you're right...
I didn't enjoy much the season, except only a few times. But I was interested after episode 7. And they succeeded to mess it up...
So you didn't notice how it has been months passed between the scenes
ya... that 180 is a bit jarring. there should had been more of a eureka moment. but it came off like the doctor who just playing coy the entire time and knew he would triumph because his villains plans are always half baked.
@@blepala It's not about noticing it's about feeling. The episode being too rushed, it doesn't feel the same.
@@blepala Sure, but nothing for the audience has changed in that time. There was no “aha” moment when we saw the first signs of hope,
The real question is did it actually destroy him? Cuz it is the time vortex, so for all we know he could have just been spat out in some future place and time
What in the lord beerus😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
I feel bad for this Doctor. Here he was, a Doctor unburdened by the guilt of what he had to do to end the Time War. And in the end he had no choice but to take his first life. 😢
Cringe
"I've taken lives, and I got worse I got clever...manipulated people into taking their own."
This was far from the Doctor's first kill post Time War.
Question if someone can answer. is sutketh the one who waits
I’m still thinking it’s Omega
Before Sutekh revealed himself there was a scene where Mrs. Floods says "The one who waits, waits no more" so I´m assuming it was Sutekh but that could again be just a red hearing and someone else also arrived. The Meep mentioned "The Boss" who could be the one who waits.
toughest enemy the Doctor ever faced!
Defeated by some string
The Monks in season 10 took the Doctor six months to defeat, he manages to beat Sutekh in a day with a bit of rope.
Superb, Treating us with top stories, acting and production. We are lucky Who fans and those coming new to this universe have a great vast back catalogue to watch.
Happy Birthday Ncuti Gatwa, The Doctor
1:20 ~ SUTEKH JUST GOT BURN 🔥
I thought it was a great Season finale. Big and bold and of course everybody except Sutekh wins. Not all that happy with the first 5 minutes. That was hard.
Russells own world building makes this whole thing not make any sense
1. The TARDIS has an oxygen radius not to be confused with a shield that can protect you from the time vortex
2. Any shields the TARDIS has cannot protect you from the vortex as Captain Jack died hanging onto the outside (which also begs the question of how he didnt feel Scooby Doo sitting invisible on top of it)
3. The TARDIS cloister bells would go off and it would refuse to leave somewhere it sensed a danger like Sutekh
4. Scanning for life around the TARDIS has been done several times since the 4th Doctor with nothing found
5. The Tardis has been blown up by the Silence (somehow still unclear), almost melted in the Crucible, has gone dead due to things like Fathers Day and was turned into a Paradox machine, but Sutekh was just chilling and it didnt bother him
6. You mean to tell me Sutekh couldnt unleash a tiny hook from his neck and we are supposed to believe the Toymaker feared him
Id just like to say that the airshell cannot work in the vortex as its just the TARDIS's sheikds filled with.. .. air. And its vortex sheilds CAN protect someone from the efgects of the vortex... if it had enough time to expand/adgust over the person during takeoff like it did with clara. The doors hanging wide open? No. It cannot so that.
If Sutekh hid himself in form of this black sand the TARDIS maybe didn´t registrate that as a "life form" Sutekh couldn´t unleash the rope because the Doctor used the same technology Rogue did with his trap and when Ruby hooked it onto Sutekh it made a connection with him on a molecular level so he wasn´t able to break free aka as the intelligent rope. For the scenarios where the TARDIS got destroyed (where obvioulsy the continuation of Sutekh´s story wasn´t done yet) my guess is that Sutekh was so determined that he rather go down with the ship instead of giving it up and therefore giving up his plan of revenge.
00:42 Velociraptor sound, isn't it ?
Yeah
I haven’t seen the newest season so I’m a bit confused by the evil Scooby Doo being sucked into space.
😆 Fair enough.
The first episode is a bit meh, but it gets better. When you get around to it, I hope you like it and enjoy it.
Then watch it. It's really not so bad. Ep 2-5 is some of the freshest Who content we've had in years.
Didn't the Doctor think that he'd destroyed him in the vortex before???
I have a headcanon that this scene alone actually was the real Sutekh being killed by the doctor, the rest was actually a more powerful being who looked like him.
If he survived the time vortex how does banishing him to it kill him?
Clinging onto the TARDIS is different from being thrown into the raw energy of the vortex.
He clung to the TARDIS before
He didn't survive the vortex. He latched himself onto the Tardis to survive. This time he couldn't do that and lived to death like he was supposed to the last time.
How did he attach to the Tardis in the first place?
He was inside the protective bubble of the tardis exterior.
Not impressed with this. Sutekh looks too much like Scooby Doo and his end reminds me of Clark Griswold tying the dog to the bumper in National Lampoons Vacation.
He should have brought up the history that he shared with the Doctor since he’s been with him all this time. But, even gods fall to a good man who is pushed too far.
I mean, the doctor has broken his no kill rule a bunch over new who, but I feel like the writers want this to be a big moment where The Doctor Kills, in a way that Changes Things. We'll have to see how that plays out.
Also I wish when it was "JUST THIS TIME everybody lives" but nope we needed the Endgame reverse snap.
Wouldn't it have been more meaningful fore some characters to stay dead?
We DO remember Missy for killing Osgood, we do remember Danny Pink for sacrificing himself, don't we? We do remember Amelia Pond for preferring finding Rory in Angels take Manhattan, right?
everyone: yay he's dead
me: doctor who special 3 the giggle sqays otherwise
The Doctor suffered all his lives... Because of Sutekh. Now, he brings peace and love and prosperity. The Doctor isn't just a Time Lord; He's a Time God of Life!
... I only forgive how nonsensical it is that he's lamenting being a killer over the fact that this is supposed to be the 'healed' Doctor that's just adventuring again.
Funny how we didn't even go one full season before we're dragging him back to his old ways, though.
EDIT: I just remembered his first special he killed the Goblin King by impaling the big bastard on the church.
Forget what I said, this makes no fucking sense.
I'm getting Lego Dimensions vibes here.
The camera person was so unsure what they are supposed to be shooting... If this is storyboarded (which i think it is), what went wrong?
What are you talking about?
@@TheRegularHedgehog575 the shots and the cuts make no sense 😂. One prime example: how many times does the camera have to duck beneath the leash consecutively? And there are so many weird moments in such a short clip, many of which aren't communicating visually
That last bit just killed the ending, Matt Smith would've given a better speech,
That’s what happens when you sit around growling and let a human attach a leash to your collar instead of biting her head off.
They HAVE to bring Sutekh back somehow. He brings a very fresh villain vibe that’s not just “exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!”
the giggle is the answer
Blud just threw scrappy dew into the time vortex 😭😭😭 rip scrappy 1969-2024😭😭😭
This scene was phenomenal! That's how you setup darker hues in a doctor that thought he'd split from all that literally. Got a bit to recover from now so interested to see where he goes and how he grows.
Parallel it him saving the booger beast in ep1 to putting the god dog down. Onwards!
What happened.. i miss the fury of the timelord who butchered his own kind... that sliver of ice in his hearts
You know, this is the last thing you should share on youtube: The dramatic defeat of the special effects heavy villain. If you want to entice me to watch the show, probably best to show me the near victory of the villain and then recomend the channel/website where I can see the rest.
IDK. I don't own a serialized drama
Beerus the destroyer
So the Doctor is the God of life?
Why you reuploading this clip so many time? 😂
They're hoping that if they show it enough times, we'll start to like it 😅
No, this is a different clip.