It’s not complicated, I think Chadwick should go to F3 or F2 & let her driving speak for herself. If she keeps winning in F2, then she should go to F1. F1 promotions happen (mainly) due to merit (aside from pay drivers).
Exactly... Gender, race, religion and what not pale in comparison to your pace if you're the fastest or one of the fastest on the grid and with the cost cap, pay and "legacy" drivers like Mick Schumacher don't have the same guaranteed ride they would have had in the past. You can bring in billions to the team, but the team isn't allowed to spend it (in a way) anymore...
most likely Jamie will not get into Formula 1. I could lie that it's not about gender, but in fact the problem will be in him. in Formula 1, you need the perfect feel of the car, the ability to withstand overload is not enough.and so far for many years there has not even been a female Formula 3 champion, not to mention Formula 2. without good points in which, you can forget about hitting Formula 1.
Also women are generally smaller than men so their hips may be wider in proportion to height. Her hips will still be narrower than lots of f1 drivers I bet
I think the biggest factor in the lack of females in top tier motorsport, is the lack of females getting involved at a grass routes level. I don't have the numbers, but I'd say it's safe to assume at least 90% of kids who get into serious karting, are male. Yet even then, even if you tick every privilege box, be that male, white, rich, parents who are prepared to put their lives on hold to support your karting, etc. Even then, your chances to make it to F1 are miniscule. Why are there so fewer females competing? That's a complicated multi layered question. That's something that deserves a video of its own. The hips / biology argument doesn't stand up particularly well, given the diversity of body types you currently have in F1. Sure they're all fit and healthy, but you've got drivers 6ft plus, or drivers like Yuki at just 5ft 2. Teams can accommodate for plenty of different body shapes, width or height. For me, a female could definitely compete in F1. That individual just hasn't had the opportunity to manifest themselves, yet. If you can, I think you should try and maybe speak to some female drivers, get their perspectives, and understand why they believe their careers haven't reached F1. I think there's a lot more factors at play that get in the way.
Hey Tommo, great points and thanks for the feedback! On second thought the hip argument doesn’t hold up as well as originally thought. But i’ll definitely look at getting in touch with some female drivers and hear their point of view!
@@CarsWithConnor i think another disadvantage with women drivers is that mals drivers would be way more carefull while racing around women, further slowing down races . there will be "drama" in the grid as well both during and after races
People seems to forget that Jamie was once in F3 and wasn't really that good. And I don't think that just because you're a woman you deserve a place. I would love to see her once again in F3 or F2 and if she's gonna perform there it would be wonderful to have her on the grid.
@@MDgp5dl she's isn't good enough, it's that simple, she did nothing in the formula regional European championship. She scored 80 points, the winner scored 359 points. She couldnt even beat vips who missed 2/3rds of a season.
I don't think power steering and power assited brakes are as much of a problem as you think. Michele Mouton did just fine in a group B rally car in the 80's. And Danica Patrick did just fine in an Indy car.
These are all fly by wire as well so the engineers can put any resistance on them they like. I think the 50 kilos of pressure is quoting the old braking system.
I think they are a bigger problem when it comes to woman climbing the general ladder in this sport. Surely many woman have no problem with it but at the end of the day it's a numbers game and it's one of many factors that make it harder for woman to get up the ladder or even continue with the sport. In F1 that wouldn't be a problem, but it's surely a problem on the road to F1.
Biology argument is meh. The problem is that for every 1 girl in motor sport there's 70ish dudes meaning finding a girl fast enough for F1 is that much harder.
Idk man, biology seems a decent enough argument. In Chess a bit more than 10% of players are woman, yet there is not a single woman in the top 100 and only 1 in the top 300. Depending on the sources for League of Legends, one of the most popular online games, about 20-45% of the players are woman. Yet barely any woman is playing in the pro scene whatsoever. Unlike with chess, League only exists for less than 15 years, so arguably noone can say that old white males are somehow gatekeeping the sport, like one might be able to somewhat argue with chess, if anything companies like riot games or epic games are actively trying to be viewed as diverse companies, e.g. by having gender parity in their commentator or analyst teams for their broadcasts and would love for more woman to be in their pro scenes. The same thing applies to really any other popular online game of recent. Look at Fortnite, CS:GO or whatever game you want. The most successfull players are always going to be male. So unless all of these games somehow actively have some kinda hidden agenda and manage to somehow have woman not succeed, biology is indeed a very fitting argument.
@@LunnarisLP So looking back at it biology is definitely a factor but I stand by with my argument that the main problem is demographics. 20-45 percent is a massive gap in statistics, the 2022 numbers say that 18% of the LOL playerbase are girls so out of 125,000,000 people the pool for there to be a contender capable of playing at a professional level is 22,000,000. Girls do get gatekept out of games (but that's a whole other issue) Women to Men demographics in motorspirt arent even close to that of gaming and so there's even less of a pool to find that golden child that even has te chance to make it to f1.
Biology is definitely a factor. And what makes you people think that it's any different in F1 than any other sport? Tennis, Soccer and any other sport where men and women have faced off have proven that we're in two different leagues. Neck strength for one is a massive factor. Women have way weaker necks than men, more so than other muscles. This is because there are a lot of androgen receptors in the neck, which women have much less of. No way could they deal with an entire race of going through Copse, Maggots and Becketts. Their heads would be flopping around like overcooked linguine. There's other reasons too like risk aversion, depth perception, reflexes, VO2 max rates (all of which men are superior at) but you get the idea.
there are a ton of women competing in drag racing here in norway, during the 2021 Drag Challenge, the Junior Dragster class consisted entirely of girls and 1 boy
@@MABfan11 I find it sad and odd that only one boy in Norway wants to drag race, considering in nearly every other racing series males are much more interested. Was this truly people making their own decisions or the government making decisions for them?
Even trained male racing drivers struggle with the G-Forces and neck strength required in F1, I think this is a bigger factor than power steering or braking.
3:45 I see where you're going there, but I still think that a potential F1 rookie vs. Goatifi himself would be unfair, no matter the rookie's gender... Going up against someone who has been a key factor in a championship is never easy after all 😅
Hip width and weight argument just seems disingeneous since there's mandatory weight minimums and that cockpits are made to fit the driver. So what you're telling me is that someone tiny like Tsunoda has a advatage over Gasly because he's small and narrower lol. Most of the other things I can agree with though, the lack of pace is the main thing.
Yeah a lot of this guys arguments don’t even make any sense. Girls hips are wider proportionally but they’re generally smaller so their hips wouldn’t even be that much wider than a typical male driver. There’s also weight requirements like you’ve said so there wouldn’t be any difference at all. His argument with power steering is stupid too and shows he’s never driven an old car before. A car without power steering doesn’t require a body builder to be able to drive, and once they’re at speed it’s even easier to turn the wheel. It’s only when the car isn’t moving that it becomes difficult.
@@RoyalAviator for the powersteering part it is not true, since formula cars or i will say open wheel do produce a lot of downforce (acting like weight in a normal car) and the steering will definitely be heavier which it is not the case for a normal road car
My main problem with the W Series is that there is no end product for the winner or the other best placed winners, such as a guaranteed F3 drive or another high-level racing series entry, like ELMS, IMSA or even Indycar.
@@PhilipJFry-tm9ve Yeah but this can be cleaned up over time. Right now in F1 we have the 20 best drievrs in the world. They all are experts in these cars and are usually flawless. Compare them to F3/F4 drievers. That's the same here. Many of the women in W-Series aren't greats, they would be people who get to F3 then never even reach F2 let alone F1 if they were men... But because W-Series needs women, they allow most of these women even if half of them aren't really good.
@@arkangelgaming35 yeah over time but most of these women drivers believe they are ready for F1 when they wouldn’t even last a season in F3 lol the things is men just have more passion for cars it’s just a fact look at all the F1 drivers they have been racing since they were kids, they knew exactly what they wanted to be a champion! Meanwhile most of the women racers only showed interest cause it was something that “women” weren’t doing or they wanna prove something but they don’t put it in the time. What’s stopping women from joining esports leagues? I’ll tell you lack of dedication I see tons of streamers on F1 2022 but not many women and the ones that do play it’s just casual they don’t do competitive racing but they still want an all womens esports league for some reason cause I guess men have an advantage even in video games? 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@arkangelgaming35 I’m willing to bet that any normal joe that plays racing games and has his own rig can easily drive a W series car and not go off track and spin out half way through the season lol
@@PhilipJFry-tm9ve Yeah I wish I could say some of them were ready for F1.. especially Jamie, but I think even she would be humiliated by even Latifi. The W-Series toe was just not well thought-out. It's sole goal was to edge women toward F1 to try fill some kind of diversity quota, because thanks to Lewis Hamilton, the color of your skin and what's between your legs are now overruling assets to a drivers chances to get into F1. As if Pay Drivers weren't enough, now more talent will be diluted away from F1 in favour of women and POC men.
The W series is a dead end. Have they tried sticking Jamie in Formula 3 and Formula 2? If she has what it takes, greedy corporates will be fighting for her signature for all that good press.
not really mate, systemic sexism exist.....even if she was the best driver in the world , most corporates would steer clear of her in fear of controversies
@@roninforge Are you kidding me?!! They are dying to find a woman good enough to race with men! just look at how many F1 teams have tested women... Just recnetly and out of my head, i'm thginking of Carmen Jorda, Tatiana Calderon, Simona de Silvestro and Jamie Chhadwick (this is just in the last few years. go look at previous decades and you would be surprised. There are dozens of examples. They are just too slow...). Believe: there's a gold mine in the first woman good enough to race men and every single team knows it and is chasing it. They simply cant find one good enough because there arent many women racing (nor little girls doing karting). It's not for lack of trying...
@@roninforge "systemic sexism exist" care to provide an actual example of a fast female driver (and when I say fast I mean when compared to her male counterparts) that has been side lined for being female? I'll wait but i'm going to be waiting a while. The only controversy would be if people insist on equality of outcome (diversity quotas) rather than selection based on actual talent.
Well that is pure cope. she lost o Mazepin in F3 and he was treated like he was bad(he really wasn't, even won a race in rally this year) I mean she isn't bad but you must remember that latifi isn't a bad driver, he is literally driving the worst car in the grid and can do some very impressive stuff time to time. you must remember that the 20 on the grid are the best drivers on the world. Even the worst ones are very good.
@@mr.creepington6182 Almost as good as Mick? Nah. Had speed and talent? Absolutely. Man conquered a P5 in F2; even if it's not podium, it's a pretty good achievement. The big issue with Maz was his constant antics (spins and dangerous driving).
@@mr.creepington6182 Mazepin is a good driver but open wheel racing was just not his sport, i'm actually happy for him knowing he found himself in off-roading
To quote a Dave Chappelle joke....If the women were good enough to compete with the men.... thereeeee would be no WNBA. You would just play in the NBA....edit....I made this comment righhht before you mentioned the WNBA 🤣🤣
There is the question that in brute force, men are stronger than women, but in a racing car, brute force demand is drastically reduced, and even then, special criteria could be easily done to mend the issue, bigger reason on brakes, so women's brakes are longer than male drivers, this allows then to exert the same force, at the cost of more travel, similarly, a stronger power steering would be quite insignificant to make. About things like "instincts" and risk taking, if a girl has already put herself in a position to be competitive in F2, she is well past this problem
I really agree with your arguments here. Connor made some questionable arguments in the video about how men's physical advantage and instincts were a big factor to why women aren't in F1. But at the end of the day the reason that no women are in F1 or in contention to get a seat in F1 is because women are heavily under represented in motor sport. But I don't see that being because of sexism or anything like that, but simply the fact that the amount of girls that choose to take interest in motor sport and pursue a career in it is minescule in comparison to the amount of boys that do so. So as I see it the the solution for women to get into F1 is simple. A woman will have to go through her racing career impressing team bosses and climbing through the junior formulas (F3, F2) as every current driver in F1 has had to do and if she has the pace to compete there won't be anything stopping her from getting a seat in F1 when a seat becomes available. If that would be Jamie Chadwick or someone else we'll have to wait and see
@@simonforslinghakansson1988 yeah, if a driver does well in f3, f2, he will be on the list of being a potential f1 driver. The same should be applied to woman. I don't think any f1 team is going to sign a f3 regional champion.
I’ve never disagreed with one of your videos more. As Susie Wolff said, the reason we don’t see women in the top tier of Motorsport is because it all comes down to a numbers game & the fact is at the introductory level there is far less women getting into the sport than men to the talent pool is smaller. Where the problem is, is there is not enough promotion for women getting into the sport at the karting level so we don’t see as many women progressing through the sport What we need is a wider acceptance of girls getting into the sport at a young age… We need to drop the stigma of Motorsport being a male sport and actually open it up to everyone
Zigackly! Videos like this that don't dig deeper into the wider systemic disadvantages that act as obstacles to entry-level competition do not help, and efforts to exaggerate 'biological' differences are disingenuous. While there is more physical effort required than what appears to the layperson, like equestrian sports there is a significant partner in competition that somewhat levels the playing field. As access to entry-level equestrian competition evolved, so did gender representation - one only needs to examine the quantity and calibre of women riding at Olympic level, or the trend over the last few years to see female jockeys taking major horse races like the Grand National, Melbourne Cup, and New Zealand Cup.
The biology crap is nonsense, but the pace issue is still real. Yes the lack of encouragement for young girls to try their hands at racing is exacerbating the issue but the fact remains that there has never been a female driver even capable of properly competing in F2, nevermind F1. Calderón made it into a seat but let's be honest, she was awful.
The problem here is that W Series is a dead end. I'm glad the women in racing get their chance at the spotlight(especially when I'm Filipino and actually have a countryman to support there). I'm under no illusion that Bianca makes F1 in the future though as she doesn't even score points regularly. Jamie wins every race in W Series but we've never seen her against males in F3 or F2. If you're female and make it to W Series, that's most likely your F1. Not a lot you can do from there. Her titles hasn't given her F2 opportunities. Really makes you wonder where she goes from here.
EXACTLY. plus, how much of us watch it. I am not being condescending, I respect them all, but not many watch it. for them to get a shot to move up etc, she has to come to F series. Cant blame anyone, you want to be best and face off against the best in your field.
If Jamie wants to break into F1, she needs some good results in lower series like FE, F2 etc. But she hasn't been able to compete well in a competitive series. She was in FREC, and scored only 80 points. Juri Vips who competed in only 3 rounds scored more than her over the entire season. Her teammates were 1-2-3 in the championship and she was 263 points behind her closest teammate. She needs the results to speak for herself but they aren't!
@@roninforge yeah let me correct myself. F3 equipment against other drivers with real top level aspirations. She got boomroasted the one time she had a Prema ride. Dennis Hauger, who’s 5 years younger and only entered 8 of 23 Formula Regional races in 2020, Booked a win and 6 podiums. Chadwick got 1 in 23 starts and mostly rode around the back for the rest of the season.
The crazy thing is that Michelle Mouton exists, quite famously competitive in the batshit crazy Group B era of the WRC, and she did really good, she lost a championship because of a failure on the final stage to rally legend Walter Rohl. She also won her class at LeMans. Makes you wonder what potential women have in motorsports if more of them joined.
The W series champion should get a seat in the end of season young driver test. It would be a worthy prize for winning and good PR for the relevant team.
Honestly, in a machine, women biology is quite irrelevant, brakes and power steering could be made lighter without much hassle, the wide hips argument is basically non existent because the car is already wide due to the shoulders of male drivers, other than that, reaction times can be equalized with training, so can be G-Load and lap times, so biology isnt really a problem The only problem really is lack of funding and lack of numbers, out of 100 boys, likely 10-20 would want to be an F1 driver, out of 100 girls, maybe 1 or 2. So the only way to change that is through more women in the sport, in case of the modifications being against the rules, just a quick ammend to the regs can solve the problem.
F1 teams wont put power assisted brakes on their car for the sake of a female driver. Would a woman be strong enough to hold her head up throughout an entire F1 race, some of the men struggle and their necks Are like tree trunks in comparison to Jamie's. If she's the top female driver currently then women have no chance in F1, Jamie's has done more than W series, she raced agaisnt men and never been much better than average.
@@stefanroseEP3 And who the fuck would put power assisted brakes on a racecar? I said longer brakes, in case you dont know much about basic physics, brakes work through a pressure lever, a lot of movement/small area == little movement/large area, and since pressure = force/area, to keep the same pressure, the force outputted is larger, at the cost of travel, so a woman's brakes could easily be worked to have twice as much travel, even more considering that there is basically no travel on these cars, as for powersteering, which is also hydraulic BTW, a slightly bigger pump or a little more area on the pistons also reduces the forces needed to turn the whell, and the W series cars are without power steering anyway About her neck. Yes, its not that demanding on straights and endurance is one of the specs that both men and women are actually pretty similar, just look at marathons, and the difference in record times is less than 40 seconds, or ultra-marathons where the difference disappears completely. And while Jamie may not be the name to be in F1, F1 in of itself isnt demanding in a way that the physical advantages of male biology couldnt be worked around or irrelevant A NBA player weights 100 kgs and is pure muscle, a WNBA player weights 80kgs, so she would obviously just be bullied around due to sheer physics, F1 doesnt have contact against drivers directly, also women are lighter with lower COMs than men, so that could also work in their favor, also generally smaller, and a smaller car is usually faster
@@glockmat it's against the regulations to have a braking system that increases the pressure in the caliper above what the driver applies to the brake pedal, any system that improves the ability of a female to brake will equally improve a man's ability, not sure how that works as you say, so it would be little to no benefit to the women. Steering is a none argument as current F1 aren't remotely difficult to steer anyway. A woman's ability to cope with the forces involved in the main argument, untill we see it done competitively we'll never know.
@@stefanroseEP3 And who the fuck is talking about increasing pressure? What I said is to increase the TRAVEL, to decrease the FORCE exerted by the driver. Pressure is Force/Area, if you double the area, you double to the force given the same pressure. Thats how brakes work, the pads need to move about 1-2mm, while the master cilinder moves about 10-20mm, which means that the force at the pad is 10x greater than the one on the cilinder, a woman's master cilinder would move 20-40mm, which means that the force at the pad stays the same, but the force exerted by the driver is halved, at the cost of double the travel It doesnt affect anyone actually, it is just a way to reduce the force the driver needs to exert, actually there are drivers that prefer longer brake pedals, so the need less force, which allows then to be more precise. Nothing new actually, for a woman it would just that same system that already exists, but a little bit more extreme. You dont need an extra pump, you just need a different master cilinder Also woman are generally better at supporting G-loads, so there is also that, and drivers lean on the sidepads any way, so why are we having this discussion?
its not about sexuality and diversity, its about skill formula one team's depend on skill to make money, a single place can make a huge monetary difference. teams care more about getting a better driver than bieng more diverse.
Just to clarify I WANT Diversity in the sport. I’m making this video to get us talking about it. Another factor I completely forgot to put in is the fact that in FRECA Jamie was in a prema and was beaten by both of her teammates and only came 10th in the standings.Also on second thoughts the body shape argument doesn’t hold up as well as i originally intended but oh well you live and learn.
don't bend the knee to the wokesters man, video was based and now you are cucking Also no one has answered me this yet is why does the sport need to change? does the nba or nfl need to change because there is no asians in it or women? the sport worked more or less like it is since it began
i agree on that we need them to compete against men on every level of racing..but that is not happening is it..and i think most of that is MONEY..racing is expensive to say the least and you need connections to get the chance right..and if you look whos got the chance in F1 this last years rich father or connections...dont count charles is magnificent..i can go on and on about this..and i DO love your channel
I think u should look about the women in F1 argument in a whole different way. Namely if u look at karting for every 1000 boys that start karting maybe 50 girls do (very rough estimate as someone who"s been in karting for 18 years). Then what is the chance that out of those 1000 boys one of them is fast enough to get in f1 and then also has a couple millions to spare to get trough the feeder series very small already . Now out of the 50 girls from the same generation the chance one out of those 50 is the fastest of al those people is very minimal and then she would also need to have the budget to get somewhere(although there are much more sponsorship possibilities).
Dainca Patrick in indy car is a race winner and earning 3 pole position getiing rookie of the year. I think the issues is the lack of female drivers coming through. Having a separate series in my opinion doesn't help as you need to be competing equally all the way through. I think the physical aspect is hard but the teams/governing body could help with things like power assisted brakes ( they already have power steering) , maybe even g suit tech! This might also help existing drivers with issues? . After all The USA and many other air forces have female fighter pilots taking sustained Gs and graduating from places like top gun so the ability to soak up the gs is there. Just my tupennys worth , its always been the size of the fight in the dog for me.
I was thinking about this when they added Jeddah to the calendar bc Saudi Arabia only made it legal for women to get driving licenses a few years ago When you think about it, Jamie only started karting when she was 11 - a lot of drivers on the grid started much younger. If parents gave their girls the opportunity, and those girls took an interest, you could start seeing more women that might be worthy of an F1 seat Engineers have to accommodate for a massive range of difference driver heights so I think they can work around someone having wider hips than the average male driver. The general strength difference could be an obstacle but the difference in general reaction times would be the biggest thing that could hold women back from titles in the sport, but you're definitely right in saying that if the first woman to get into F1 doesn't immediately kill the game, she's getting torn to pieces bc even male driver get ripped into if they underperform Even still, I'd love to see Jamie back in F3 and to see how she does
Chadwick appears to be the most gifted female driver of recent years by a long way. She won an F3 race in 2018 showing her potential but then chose not to continue for 2019, instead going to W series. I think that might have been a mistake. However , she has been a Williams development driver since 2020. I imagine Williams benefit greatly from having a female development driver but they don't appear to rate her highly enough to promote her to the racing team. If the best current female driver isn't good enough, it may be many years before another comes along with any chance at all. I think it's time for Daniel Ricciardo to come out as transgender.
@Rachel Wood wdym? mazepin at that time shouldn't have that much more experience compared to her. it's not like we are comparing chadwick with 'mazepin that has ride F1' version....
If Yuki Tsunoda could drive a F3 car with like 16 then so could a well-trained woman. And if 40+ Alonso can drive an F1 car to the podium then so can a well-trained woman. I find these physical arguments really unconvincing.
16 year old boys and 40 year old men are far stronger than 20 year old women. But I think the main problem is the talent pool of women simply isn't big enough to find someone who could actually be competitive.
It is convincing, a 40+ man is not a grandpa in any sense, he probably retains most of his younger strength, and about tsunoda, that was in f2, not in f1, and a late male-teenager usually has more muscle development than most women.
I'm tired of this discussion. Put her in a damn F2 car already and stop talking about what she has and hasn't been in. This is now, she deserves a spot. Edit: and here come the smooth brains 🤦♂ stop projecting jesus christ lol
She doesn't. In Formula regionals she placed P7. Which is not bad but not at all the results she's capable of in w series. If a male driver finished P7 in F3 there's no chance they would make it to F2 so why should she? She needs to compete in F3 or something similar and prove she deserves a spot in F2
@@totowolffstable4044 this is what I'm talking about, that championship round was a few years ago and she has developed well since then. Obviously her name and circumstance carries more weight and I guarantee she can outdrive a few F2 drivers right now. If she settles for the F3 seat, then fine, I'm just tired of this rhetoric that she hasn't proven herself when she clearly has.
@@SushiBandit28 how has she developed well enough to justify an F2 seat?? She’s won the W series against OTHER Women not against male competitors she doesn’t deserve an F2 seat on those grounds. Give her an FIA Formula 3 seat and see how she performs, I believe she is an amazing talent anyways and will thrive so she would hopefully make the jump to F2
Ik WRC isn't F1, but im always quite curious on how Michelle Mouton was actually competing at a really good level against the men back in the Group B era, like what factors are there, that she was actually be able as fast as one of the best rally drivers at that time
• "Hips to wide" - Come on, that's a bit silly • "Not strong enough/needs power steering" - She raced karts from 11, She drove F3 that has no power steering and neither do W Series cars • "A bit mid and would drown in F3/2" - Maybe, but based on her speed and racecraft, she surely deserves the chance at a top team to prove herself? Before W Series she became the only female to win the MRF Challenge - something Mick Schumacher only managed to get third in. Who knows how she's fair at the very top level, but would love to see her try.
She struggled in British F3 finishing 8th in the standings in Asian F3 she improved but got beaten by Nikita Mazepin (who finished 3rd) by 47 points that's quite a margin if you ask me and she finished 9th at FREC
I am sorry, but she already was in f3 and finished 9th in the best team, for comparison her 3 teammates were 1st, 2nd and 3rd, biology is a bitch but it is what it is
@@ChickenMusiala she actually beat all her team mates in British F3 both seasons she was in it so I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about
I agree with a lot of this and have been saying it to friends for a while. I think if the W series wants to continue without rebranding, then they need to make it like F3 and F2 where if you win the title you get the funds to move up, but you can’t sit in the series and win year after year. The big thing they can’t do is move a female driver up only to fail. It ruins everything they have worked for. I would love to see Chadwick in an F3 car to see if all the hype has merit so I’m not quite sure why she hasn’t made the switch. Either way, I’m hoping they go about this series and mission the right way.
Serious Doubt about the assertion that women cannot be athletic enough to compete in F1. If female fighter Pilots are able to control an aircraft while regularly experiencing G-forces of 9 Gs then there is absolutely no reason why female drivers cant handle the far lower G forces experienced in F1.
The forearm strength argument doesnt fly as F1 cars have power steering! IndyCars do not and women such as Simona and Danica managed to race competitively at least mid-pack. That said, neck strength is more important in F1 due to the harder Gs, so that should be considered. But someone like Chadwick needs to be able to show off what she has in F2. If she is fast and competitive, then F1 needs to re-evaluate the validity or need for their super license system. As for the body size argument, sounds plausibe. That said, at one point women were deemed to not be able to fly as fighter pilots. Then engineers realized women were actually more suitable sizewise for a fighter cockpit.
I'm just wondering, can't they just stiffen up the hans device? Or shape the seat so that it supports the helmet. I feel like that argument is bullshit, because they already a device that hinders the neck from going too far in a direction. Hell, just add a rubberband of some sorts that attaches to the helmet so you don't have to hold back all the force while braking etc. just like those support restraints when doing pull-ups etc.
One other big problem is money. You have to spend 1 - 2 millions per YEAR to have a seat in a Prema or Trident car. Sophia Flörsch said something like this "People say ""you all drive in the same car"" on paper that might be true. But a team like prema has tthe recources and people to win the WC every single year. The truth is, my family hasnt got the money to stay in Formula sports for longer" Well some would say she is "midfield" well yes, but the points stays. BTW her 24h races are pretty good 6th and 9th in Le Mans, 2nd in Le Castele
I think she should give F2 a go! It would be great to have the W series (as it is currently) be like a feeder series into F2, then from there they can move into F1 if they are good enough (based on merit).
I don't agree with the later braking point argument. Anyone who gets into motorsport wants to be the fastest on track and knows how to do that, one of the more important parts of that is late braking. I don't think women will take the safer option of braking too early just to avoid the consequences and give up faster laptimes.
The big problem with women in Formula 1 is that it relies on oil money and sponsorships. Oil kings are from some countries that still won't even accept that a women should drive at all. So I don't know if they would be interested in investing large amounts of money into F1 if they see something that they are against.
There is this very unclear line between women actually interested in racing and wanting to go all the way and are willing to train to get to the level of the current f1 drivers and just feminists saying that "We need women in this sport and otherwise you're sexist!!" I totally support people who are willing to go all the way, and have a true passion for what they are doing, but putting someone not as good in the grid just to make the people of 2023 happy makes no sense. I feel only the people who truly care about what they are doing and are actually good at it should come out on top. I don't care if that comes up as a majority of the best drivers being male or female, the extremely limited seats on offer should only be taken by the best. This comment is in to no way against female drivers, the point that I am trying to make is that we just havent seen a female driver that is good enough to compete yet and it would be great to see one soon. I don't want teams signing someone just for the sake of having a woman in the team and "being equal."
Woman lacks the strength. They will not be able to compete with men in F1. This is not a anti woman statement its a biological fact. She will not do well in any formula outside the W series if its male dominated. This is seen in many other sports as well. The biological composition of men and women cannot be denied.
Just like any other male junior drivers who wanted to climb the rank, put her in an actual F3 or F2 series and we'll see. Before all that it's all talk, be it disadvantage or advantage of being a female driver.
I think to a point it’s important. because remember you still have to be incredibly fit and strong to drive an f1 and biology can play into that quite a bit. But idk that’s just my opinion
@@CarsWithConnor you are completely correct but what i mean is it is completely possible for a female to achieve that whereas in other sports it’s literally impossible. For example 100m sprint, like you said it’s biologically impossible for them to be faster but a female could definitely achieve the same physical fitness as their male counterparts. Then it just becomes the issue that are they mentally fit to be in the top 20 drivers and compete at that level
@@azan7659 male and female train their body intensely for Formula 1,they both train the same time,who has the upper hand and whos gonna be more physically stronger?
I'm no white knight or 'woke' feminist but as the father of a daughter who kicked ass in local dirt short track some of your arguments don't hold water. 1) Most men would not take those risks either. Maybe 4% are inclined towards that level of aggressive risk/daredevil tendencies. So what if only 2% of women are? That would mean by inclination roughly a third of F1 drivers could be female. 2) While I wouldn't call Danica Patrick a great driver she wasn't trash either, she was a pretty average driver. There was a lot of talk around the late 2000's of her joining F1. She had podiums and a win in Indycar. She wasn't a 'top' Indycar driver but she was decent and competent. She wasn't some Britney Griner or Jackie Joyner-Kersee specimen either, an athlete but not physically a 'stud'. Indycar does not have power breaks, nor power steering. 3} While F1 drivers are athletes in my opinion they aren't massive weight lifters or physical specimens like an NBA player. My guess is there are female athletes in more physical sports like the WNBA or Track and Field that could 'kick their ass'. Plus, from what I've been told F1 braking is more about getting used to the force needed and applying it than needing to be a power lifter to brake. Local dirt track is no where in the same world as F1 but that is scale not kind. What I can tell you is that she was not physically disadvantaged driving and won her share of races and usually finished top half. Before you think 'oh your daughter of course you think': On the other hand, she also did junior motocross and at about 13 or 14 years old she did become physically disadvantaged to the point she became non-competitive for placing. If we were talking about motocross I'd agree, but she was one of the top local drivers in the local dirt track circuit. My personal thought is we don't have a female F1 driver for the same reason we used to not have a lot of female engineers, young girls were exposed to, encouraged to, and socially modeled to become engineers. To a degree and analogous sport to motor racing is equestrian events where men and women are in competition and women do just fine out competing men with more Olympic medals since women have been allowed to compete. You could argue the discrepancy lies in men being less exposed to, less encouraged to, and less socially modeled to compete in equestrian disciplines. If young girls were not exposed to, encouraged to and socially modeled to ride and jump horses there would be a youtube vid saying they were too physically disadvantaged.
All come down to the simple point that most girls don't really care about motorsports. They are not that competitive, they don't care about how an engine and a car work, etc. Let's say 5% of girls loves motorsports, for boys is more than 50%. It's not that girls are not exposed to motorsports, they are but they are not care. The female talent pool is extremely small and that is not going to change, ever. I do expect at the next 10-15 years women in F1, because statistically even with a small talent pool, some women will make it.
As much as I want to see Jamie win and make it into F1, I don't think that will be possible until she can rise the ranks in F3 and F2 on merit. Simple as that. The female Lewis Hamilton comparisons I keep seeing on Instagram and social media are nice, but she (and really any other female driver that comes into this type of racing) cannot make that a reality until they can truly push the limits. Unfortunately, if you're the first of something, you have to work harder than everyone else, accomplish more to prove yourself worthy AND set the tone of acceptance for people after you. Lewis definitely did that with his racing, and Jamie has to get to that level to be taken seriously like the other competitive drivers on the F1 grid right now.
If there was a woman with the pace for F1 she would be there by now. How many teams in F1 would jump at the possibility of having the first female driver? Remeber when that spanish girl was a test driver for lotus or something a few years ago? They wouldn't shut up about it and she didn't do anything of note. Imagine the PR gold it would be to have a competitive female driver in your team. She would be more famous than Lewis Hamilton. Michèle Mouton is a legend to this day, rightly so, and she never won a rally championship.
Well, Michelle Muton made it in the WRC! In arguably the HARDEST era of the Sport, & most physical Group B! Danica made it in Indycar, she won at Motegi in 2008, & got a top 5 in the Championship, no reason why Girls cannot do it in F1 either! They just needs to get the proper funding & chance to compete with the boys in a top team! :)
You do realize that while still being tiny he's still a man with a man's biological advantages. Just at a neuromuscular level he's way more advantaged over women.
I think Jamie should be given her shot in the predecessor series to F1. First in F3 and if she proves herself there I'd love to see her in F2. If she manages to get to F1 then she deserves it at that point. Give Jamie her shot in F3 against the guys there and we'll see how she stacks up against the guys.
There's just not enough girls interested in being racing drivers to build a pool of potential candidates for top levels of racing at the moment. There arent very many girls in carting and you see maybe 3 woman competitors over a long day of sim racing on IRacing. If as many girls as boys were involved in carting and sim racing during those required developmental years, im sure you could identify a few that have enough talent to race in F1. W series is a great start but half the racers in that series are horrible and even Chadwick who has.a developmental deal with Williams cant even get a young driver's test day or Fri practice go.
She can win in an uncompetitive field, that doesn't say much. Her Formula Regional campaign in 2020 was abysmal, finishing behind all 3 of her teammates with not even 1/3 of the points they got. with Petecof winning the championship with 359 points, Arthur Leclerc 2nd and Oliver Rasmussen 3rd both scoring 343 points, Chadwick? 9th with 80 points and only 2 top 5 finishes in the entire season. Her teammates combined scored 15/24 wins that season. and Petecof and Rasmussen have both left Formula racing with no success. And Leclerc is in his 2nd F3 season and is sitting in 3rd with 1 win. Dennis Hauger raced in 8 races that season with 6 podium finishes and 1 win, and finished with more points than Chadwick, and Juri Vips? Also competed in 8 races that year with 3 podiums and still finished ahead.. In that 2020 season only 2 full time drivers finished behind her on points. Gillian Henrion and Emidio Pesce Reality is Chadwick is a mediocre at best driver that will never see any success in a Formula series other than the W series. Her best option to move on would be Indycar or any other kind of open wheel racing in America, OR move into GT3/4 as a full time driver or the WEC. She did win the 2015 British GT4 championship alongside Ross Gunn so GT racing may be more her speed
What they should be doing, if their goal is to get women in to F1, is to give the women cars somewhere between F2 and F1. This way they can gauge properly their lap times, reaction times etc. To say that 'Yes, she is good enough' or no 'She isn't good enough' There is no metric available to the women for engineers and data specialists to make that assessment. And if it comes down to sponsorship, powerful cars bring in powerful money. We've been fortunate enough to see W series drivers compete against men in similar cars already (Praga series with Abbie Eaton) so at bare minimum, we have SOMETHING to look at for comparisons sake. They take effectively the same risks for harm and injury as the mens series do, so why not give them cars with the power to let the world know, are they any good at the pinnacle?
Her having a female body isn’t a solid argument. Women can still train their muscles. And the car pretty much covers the entire body, so it’s not like a woman’s curves will slow her down. And just because the average woman brakes earlier (which idk is true), doesn’t mean every woman does.
Bottom line, get her into f3 against the normal drivers, who are ofcourse all males. See how she peforms. And because both W series cars and f3 are roughly the same spec, there wouldn't be an argument of her getting used to the car. Moreso, if she cant get a seat, let her set some times just for the sake of argument. Im sure FIA can make that happen for the sake of inclusivity and fair chance. All I'm saying is, lets not come to an assumption already.
Wide hips would be an advantage since some of the weight is in the butt instead of the shoulders. It could provide a lower center of gravity but then again I might just be talking out of my behind.
I also think Jamie Chadwick isn't "the one" to actually have a full solid F1 season but not because of the body limitations. There are signs of other women competing in other motorsports and being better than 90% of the men like Michelle Mouton or Danica Patrick (pre-Nascar) but these were like 1 in a million occasions due to motorsport being not so popular with women. That's changing now and we'll have the one in 10-20 years later imo
I think the simple answer is that women aren’t as interested in Motorsport in general. And the ones who are have to compete with the same competition everyone else has to compete with and most of them are not going to make it into f1 or even professional Motorsport. So when you have a small amount of women coupled with the fact that the odds in general are monumentally against females as there may even be a physical advantage for men at that level of g force, you get what we have now. The people who blame it on the industry have to explain to me why they wouldn’t just take any female driver when that would create huge media attention which helps with advertising money? To say that they are just sexist is not believable to me.
she'll just destroy her rep if she skips f2 or f3 and goes to f1 to compete. they need to adapt her to how f1 car works. also simply put, just put her f2 or f3 if she delivers then she has high hopes for f1
@@CarsWithConnor the correct one, yes. But also inherently controversial in some parts of modern society to acknowledge physiological differences between the genders
Danica Patrick is the woman to have ever won a race in a major monopost race championship, she won due strategy (which Is far) and had some good season, not all of them, not in Nascar. Simona de Silvestro had one (maybe two) second place. Beatriz Figueiredo (fellow Brazilian countrywoman) had some top 10 and won races in IndyLights. All three of them in series with less power steering than F1. Beatriz has even said how much she had to train to keep a good pace and how difficult it was after she broke her hand once. So, there is some concern about strength, but it is not that huge. Another point, and this matter the most, is how late women in general start their experience with racing. Some drivers have already had some kart experience between five and seven years old, while most women start late, about ten to thirteen. This makes a huge difference in time and development for young drivers. The main question is how much time does a male driver have more than a same-age female driver's counterpart? This lack of experience really impacts in perform. I would argue this was Chadwick's main reason to underperformed F3 back then, but she won't improve by just keeping racing against less competitive opponents.
Nice video to show exactly what the problem is... "men are stronger, women aren't as quick" etc etc. why is it only f1 has this female hang up? every other series on the planet has female drivers to varying levels of success. it's never even brought into question! it's only the f1 community who sees it as an issue. even when simona di silvestro had a chance her team management sidelined her for a year before dumping her out! I mean I'd love to hear Michelle mouton opinion on "females aren't physically strong enough to compete with men". fact remains you can't fix a generational problem overnight..... it will take years for the w series initiative to gain momentum. its starting to but it HAS to start at grass roots.... that will take a while. anyway... that's my 2 cents... Nice vid btw....
@@MrViki60 why then is motorsport and equestrian the only 2 sports in the world where male and female can compete together on equal terms??? it's not an issue in any other series worldwide. females have competed on the world level in motorsport for decades. no one is denying the difference...... so why is that suddenly an impediment???
@Not_dev1 really? whilst I'm not denying f1s demands but other series are equally if not more physically demanding than f1 according to the actual drivers themselves.
With Jamie results in Indy NXT her results are something she probably wants to forget. If she can’t get in tune with the car I can’t see her going anywhere
She doesn't deserve to be there. Plain and simple. What F3 races has she won? . What F2 Championships has she won?. None to both questions. When has she won in a top tier series such as Indycars? WEC? . She never has.
Nobody is saying she should be in F1. She doesn’t even fit the requirements for it. All people want to see is for her to be given the opportunity to prove herself in F3 and see where she goes.
Formula One's lack of women is I think much more down to culture than biology, The barrier for entry to even junior motorsports is ridiculously high and has always been either the Rich White man's sport or the Rich White Man's Kid sport. To overcome the hurdles that come while not being a stereotypical racing driver you need to be better in the car than others, If Lewis Hamilton wasn't one of the most promising rookie drivers of all time and one of the greatest to ever do it I don't think he'd have even gotten to F1 (mainly because he wasn't rich). Also, a comparison to something like the 100m sprint is really strange, because running is purely a biological thing, whereas motorsports are mechanical. This doesn't mean you don't have to be strong to drive an F1 car, but that's mostly because of the regs, not nature. If women are at a disadvantage in running, we don't have men and women compete against each other, but if women are at a similar disadvantage in F1, we can just build a the car differently.
Some people still don't understand that men and women are different, I don't know how but I guess that's the age we live in. Look at it this way, 99% of bricklayers are men, why do you think that is? I seriously don't think unless they slow these cars down a lot, and make the g-forces less relevant a woman will be able to compete in F1 and stay there, I do think doing this would also make the sport a lot less interesting for new fans and ultimately it cant run unless it makes a profit so I don't think that's a good idea either.
@@micahholland1021 you don't need evidence, men don't break the same, how can you expect women too, Sam from Seenthroughglass on youtube drove a renault f1 car a couple of years back and he immediately said his leg was tired and cramping and he is an in shape 6'2 guy
@@juricakovac5667 cool, you just made my point for me? Also, trying to argue a point by saying you don't need evidence is v dumb. Like you said, personal experience differs vastly, that's why we have science.
This is an argument that an average woman can handle F1 worse than an average man. Whether that is true or not is beside the point. If Chadwick has the skills to hack it in F3/2/1 she should be allowed to go for it like any other driver. It’s not complicated.
This video comes off as pretty misogynistic. You make a lot of assumptions about biology and provide no evidence. Saying a man would break later than a women in the same car isn't the take you think. Hope you delete this video.
Yeah and then saying it’s a “biological instinct” rather than even thinking about the social conditions that required things like the men going hunting way back then. Seriously disappointing video. Hope he learns from it rather than just standing pat
On average, women (n=32) braked at a TTC 1.3 s higher than men (n=52). Source: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25307380/ I'm not saying women shouldn't race, I'm just saying that women are different compared to men. When will people start to accept that?
Hey Micah, thanks for your feedback. i didn’t intend for it to come across like this. I was trying to use that statement as a generalisation to give an example of the sort of thing i was talking about. if that makes sense
@@alec3965 and why do u think men are the one that goes hunting in the first place? Male and female homo- sapiens tossed a coin too see who won? Apparently, male won.
You should reevaluate your take on this. You blankly say women are not physically capable without providing any evidence as to how this is the case. Sure F1 is physically demanding you cite a 50kg leg press as a standard. There are a plethora of women that can easily lift that. The hips argument is really weak, the current and former drivers have huge physical variances, compare Mark Webber to Lewis Hamilton, they are entirely different and cars/seats are regularly changed to enable their driving. The majority of your premises come back to your own bias, you think women are weaker, have slower reaction times and as such you justify this with spurious claims with no basis. You then argue that women can’t participate because the sport isn’t ready for them, the sport wasn’t ready for a black driver in 2007 and he went on to become the best ever despite the racism and abuse he faced from day 1. The clear reality is that inherent bias in the sport is always the limiting factor to the acceptance of diversity, if F1 as a sport actually cared there would be women driving. It has happened in other motor sports like Mouton in rallying.
Hey, I find a lot of your points to be very presumptuous and accidentally sexist. I'm not starting a fight in the comments so to others please don't dogpile me. I'm in your discord as Sw1m if you want to message me I think I could clear up some things and we could have a discussion. I have competed as a professional athlete for over 5 years now and have seen many many videos propegating assumptions that lead to broader sexism. As a content creator it's important that you get this stuff right
Sponsors and teams would jump at the chance to get a woman in F1. But there isnt anyone (female) in the feeder/junior series thats winning. If they put a woman in F1 without working up through the ranks, itll do more harm than good for the idea of women in F1 imo. Until a female starts winning in karting, f4, f3, f2 itll be years before a woman makes it to f1. Tens of millions of men are interested in motorsport, maybe one percent get to do it, and a tiny fraction of that are good enough to be professional. Since very few woman, by comparison, have interest in racing its always going to be harder to find the rare world champion rising up through the ranks
Another point to consider when discussing g forced and female pilots is the difference between turning a car & banking an airplane “coordinated turns” vs “un coordinated turns”. In an airplane if you suspend a pendulum from a ceiling and turn it will stay still. This is why you need instruments when you blind (night/fog/no visibility). The center of gravity is always right below you resulting in you mind lying to you about your orientation. All this to say women have a better time with this type of g forces as it mostly depends on keeping blood in the brain - not actually keeping your head up with strength.
I'm sorry, but these areguments are just ridiculous. There are only 2 things stopping Jamie, and women in general, from getting into F1. Money and sexism. The W series isnt there because women are biologically too different or 'cant fit into' the cars, it was created because they couldnt get the sponsorsphips, and thus could get the money, and thus couldnt get the seats. Regardless of their actual talent. If this wasnt the core issue, the W series wouldnt be free to enter. Also, while I do think Jamie is the biggest talent atm for women getting into F1, its very unfair putting all this weight on her shoulders, like saying 'imagine if Latifi destroyed her, how's that gonna look for women in F1?'. It's not her job to prove women deserve to be in F1. Women innately 'deserve' to be in F1 as equally as men do, as it should be based on talent and potential. Not their gender. Making the W series the 'pinnacle of womens motorsport' will just put a rubber stamp on complete segregation of formula racing. We dont just need 'a woman' in F1, we need women in F1. To put a pinpoint in it, it's not about whether F1 is 'ready for women'. There is nothing to get ready for. Just put women in F1. (and F2, F3 etc.) Let their track performance speak for itself.
Money and sexism!!? Absolute BS! If she was winning races and championships in F3 and F2 then she would defo have a shot at an F1 seat regardless of her gender or bank balance, but she's not is she......!?
Nobody “deserves” to be in F1. Everyone “deserves” the opportunity to be in F1 and she has that. Build your resume and knock on sponsors doors and secure funding like everyone else.
@@Ellisf1 But she cant even get into F3 or F2 without the money and sponsors. She said as much herself is why she hasn't made the move so far. Why cant she get the sponsors? She's literally won the W Series championship twice, and is on track for a 3rd.
@@WannabeMarsanach Because the competition in W Series is absolutely dogshit. She proved in FRECA that winning W Series means absolutely nothing and all the teams/sponsors knows that. Also you do realise Chadwicks family is filthy rich right?
If women are to get to F1 girls have to get into karts in big numbers at the same young ages as boys. As a teen and early 20s decades ago I was into racing sports cars. When people knew what my hobby was they would look at me as if I had grown two heads and if I dared to beat the blokes i would get the condescending "you're pretty good...for a girl." It gets bloody tedious after a while - you can't succeed or fail as an individual as men can it seems: you succeed or fail for all womankind. You really have to be prepared to buck the system and FFS women you're better than just being a support system to men. Jenson Button said in his autobiography what a great karter Max Verstappen's mum was..until she gave it all up to support Jos. Much good it did her too. And in this month's GP Racing David Coulthard said of his late sister Lynsay: "Lynsay was very talented, we raced karts together and I honestly believe she was quicker than me and, had she been given the opportunity, could have gone further. As it happened the family's focus shifted towards me and I went on to do what it did." Worth noting he is one of the biggest supporters of women in racing: perhaps he still feels guilty.... It may well turn out that girls are generally less interested than boys, but until parents take their 4 or 5 year-old daughters along to a karting track and let them have a go rather than just stand around and applaud their brothers, we will never know. On G forces, women are fighter pilots who regularly withstand up to 9G. Ok, that's vertical G but there is no serious evidence that says women cannot withstand G forces well. As for endurance, the longer an athletic situation goes on, the nearer females get to male times. Blokes have explosive speed in their muscles but females often have incredible stamina.
This isn't a good take, Jamie Chadwick could be just as successful as a man in F1 in my opinion. If the sport required muscle mass & size as a priority then maybe, but these are more secondary requirements behind a driver's reaction times & also raw talent. Look at drivers like Estaban Ocon, yeah he might be male and have the benefits of more testosterone to fuel muscle mass, however, he could very easily lose that advantage via reaction times or raw talent as I say. I want to see more of a push for women in F1 because I believe that a lot of fans would be pleasantly surprised. If the power steering is such an issue in F3, the FIA should consider mandating power steering (I personally don't think this would cause that many problems for female drivers though, my tiny 4ft9 105lb Great Grandma could drive an old VW Caddy truck with no power steering & did for years)
she didn't drive it at 200 km/h + big difference, I don't think fans would care because even if women made it into F1 they would be a backmarker so no one would care
Yep those are some good points but i think when it comes to driving these cars on the limit tiny details make a big difference. But yeah you make some good points !
@@juricakovac5667 That might be the case with some fans, the back markers can provide entertainment though - with TV direction etc it can be easy to miss some of the action but if you use the F1 app and have the live race feed open, you can see when there is action going on at the back more often so maybe give that a go too. Teams like Williams might be at the back but they bring a huge amount of history to the grid & I think it's important to recognise that the teams that aren't fighting at the front can still provide good racing entertainment.
I really agree with what you have to say about muscle mass not being the primary factor in if Jamie Chadwick could succeed in F1 or not. But the main thing i see is people saying she deserves an F1 seat right now when she has done nothing to prove she could compete at that level. Of course she hasn't had the opportunity to do so since the W-series cars are about even to F3. So the only way i see for Jamie Chadwick to get into F1 is if she goes to F3, does well, progresses to F2 and if she impresses there as well then there should be nothing stopping her from reaching F1. Especially in this age where equality is demanded more than ever i think if she proves herself in F3 and F2 there most likely hurling money at her so she has the proper funding. And to finish this comment off I'd just like to say that i think that absolute number 1 reason women aren't represented in F1 and the higher formulas is because there's a lack off girls that take interest in the sport. And I've never understood the argument about only women needing more funding since if you look at the F1 grid today nearly all of the drivers have got there in large part to them growing up wealthy and having the money and connections to fund their career
One of the hardest parts is also getting weight distribution right on a female body, there are decades of aerodynamics and weight distribution research that would need to be entirely redone to accommodate the female body.
The only argument I can give here is if you ask the question, “how did Jamie get to the w series in the first place”, and the answer is karting, and karting is a sport dominated by men, or so it seems. Take her fellow w series competitor Abby Pulling, she won 2 junior tkm titles in a row against an extremely competitive field. And also Alice Powell (Jamie’s main title contender), she won an F3 cup in 2013, so it can be done, but obviously the 2 main problems are, money and how many other drivers there are
that's not true - Jamie had £1m two years ago and not one team would take her money. And she came to W via Ginettas- F4 - Asian F3 - her karting was insignificant.
I think racing is one of the sports where men and women can compete on a level playing field without the need to split them up. The problem is with girls getting into racing later in their life or not at all, so they don't have the same level of instincts and skill that come through pure seat time. Not talking about Jamie specifically here but women in general could be competitive but the world view is that racing is a mans/boys thing so they don't have the chance to get in as early. I want more women getting into motorsports, it's always good to have more people racing, I do however think they should get in on merit and not just because they are women
It’s not complicated, I think Chadwick should go to F3 or F2 & let her driving speak for herself. If she keeps winning in F2, then she should go to F1. F1 promotions happen (mainly) due to merit (aside from pay drivers).
Yeah and the pay drivers still need to be good
Exactly... Gender, race, religion and what not pale in comparison to your pace if you're the fastest or one of the fastest on the grid and with the cost cap, pay and "legacy" drivers like Mick Schumacher don't have the same guaranteed ride they would have had in the past. You can bring in billions to the team, but the team isn't allowed to spend it (in a way) anymore...
Bingo. I would love to see her in F2; to see what she's capable of.
most likely Jamie will not get into Formula 1. I could lie that it's not about gender, but in fact the problem will be in him. in Formula 1, you need the perfect feel of the car, the ability to withstand overload is not enough.and so far for many years there has not even been a female Formula 3 champion, not to mention Formula 2. without good points in which, you can forget about hitting Formula 1.
exactly!
Wide hips is a bad argument when engineers and designers still struggle with height. Just like when Russell had to replace Bottas in Bahrain
Good point
Also women are generally smaller than men so their hips may be wider in proportion to height. Her hips will still be narrower than lots of f1 drivers I bet
He replaced Hamilton. Not Bottas.
@@marion817 doesnt matter.
also lower centre of mass
I think the biggest factor in the lack of females in top tier motorsport, is the lack of females getting involved at a grass routes level. I don't have the numbers, but I'd say it's safe to assume at least 90% of kids who get into serious karting, are male. Yet even then, even if you tick every privilege box, be that male, white, rich, parents who are prepared to put their lives on hold to support your karting, etc. Even then, your chances to make it to F1 are miniscule.
Why are there so fewer females competing? That's a complicated multi layered question. That's something that deserves a video of its own.
The hips / biology argument doesn't stand up particularly well, given the diversity of body types you currently have in F1. Sure they're all fit and healthy, but you've got drivers 6ft plus, or drivers like Yuki at just 5ft 2. Teams can accommodate for plenty of different body shapes, width or height. For me, a female could definitely compete in F1. That individual just hasn't had the opportunity to manifest themselves, yet.
If you can, I think you should try and maybe speak to some female drivers, get their perspectives, and understand why they believe their careers haven't reached F1. I think there's a lot more factors at play that get in the way.
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Hey Tommo, great points and thanks for the feedback! On second thought the hip argument doesn’t hold up as well as originally thought. But i’ll definitely look at getting in touch with some female drivers and hear their point of view!
@@CarsWithConnor i think another disadvantage with women drivers is that mals drivers would be way more carefull while racing around women, further slowing down races . there will be "drama" in the grid as well both during and after races
Thanks for your well thought and smart opinion.
People seems to forget that Jamie was once in F3 and wasn't really that good. And I don't think that just because you're a woman you deserve a place. I would love to see her once again in F3 or F2 and if she's gonna perform there it would be wonderful to have her on the grid.
team ?
She raced against mazepin in f3 and his performance was better than chadwicks
@@peacee2431 Maybe give her another chance? She probably wasn't too good back then in F3 , she must have improved
@@MDgp5dl she's isn't good enough, it's that simple, she did nothing in the formula regional European championship. She scored 80 points, the winner scored 359 points. She couldnt even beat vips who missed 2/3rds of a season.
@@thehorsecockexpress1068 That's why I said, her performance would have probably improved that it used to be
I don't think power steering and power assited brakes are as much of a problem as you think. Michele Mouton did just fine in a group B rally car in the 80's. And Danica Patrick did just fine in an Indy car.
good point
These are all fly by wire as well so the engineers can put any resistance on them they like. I think the 50 kilos of pressure is quoting the old braking system.
I think they are a bigger problem when it comes to woman climbing the general ladder in this sport. Surely many woman have no problem with it but at the end of the day it's a numbers game and it's one of many factors that make it harder for woman to get up the ladder or even continue with the sport. In F1 that wouldn't be a problem, but it's surely a problem on the road to F1.
"Did just fine"
If you count 1 win as fine sure
Not to mentioned when she crashed in nascar she often took out a bunch of other people with her
Bing! Bang! Boom! Precisely my friend! Pre-f'n-cisely! This topic is so old
Biology argument is meh. The problem is that for every 1 girl in motor sport there's 70ish dudes meaning finding a girl fast enough for F1 is that much harder.
Idk man, biology seems a decent enough argument. In Chess a bit more than 10% of players are woman, yet there is not a single woman in the top 100 and only 1 in the top 300.
Depending on the sources for League of Legends, one of the most popular online games, about 20-45% of the players are woman. Yet barely any woman is playing in the pro scene whatsoever. Unlike with chess, League only exists for less than 15 years, so arguably noone can say that old white males are somehow gatekeeping the sport, like one might be able to somewhat argue with chess, if anything companies like riot games or epic games are actively trying to be viewed as diverse companies, e.g. by having gender parity in their commentator or analyst teams for their broadcasts and would love for more woman to be in their pro scenes. The same thing applies to really any other popular online game of recent. Look at Fortnite, CS:GO or whatever game you want. The most successfull players are always going to be male. So unless all of these games somehow actively have some kinda hidden agenda and manage to somehow have woman not succeed, biology is indeed a very fitting argument.
@@LunnarisLP So looking back at it biology is definitely a factor but I stand by with my argument that the main problem is demographics.
20-45 percent is a massive gap in statistics, the 2022 numbers say that 18% of the LOL playerbase are girls so out of 125,000,000 people the pool for there to be a contender capable of playing at a professional level is 22,000,000. Girls do get gatekept out of games (but that's a whole other issue)
Women to Men demographics in motorspirt arent even close to that of gaming and so there's even less of a pool to find that golden child that even has te chance to make it to f1.
Biology is definitely a factor. And what makes you people think that it's any different in F1 than any other sport? Tennis, Soccer and any other sport where men and women have faced off have proven that we're in two different leagues. Neck strength for one is a massive factor. Women have way weaker necks than men, more so than other muscles. This is because there are a lot of androgen receptors in the neck, which women have much less of. No way could they deal with an entire race of going through Copse, Maggots and Becketts. Their heads would be flopping around like overcooked linguine. There's other reasons too like risk aversion, depth perception, reflexes, VO2 max rates (all of which men are superior at) but you get the idea.
there are a ton of women competing in drag racing here in norway, during the 2021 Drag Challenge, the Junior Dragster class consisted entirely of girls and 1 boy
@@MABfan11 I find it sad and odd that only one boy in Norway wants to drag race, considering in nearly every other racing series males are much more interested. Was this truly people making their own decisions or the government making decisions for them?
Even trained male racing drivers struggle with the G-Forces and neck strength required in F1, I think this is a bigger factor than power steering or braking.
yep good point
F1 cars have power steering if they didn't it would be impossible to turn the wheels under load
@@apocalypticweasel9078 You're right but the point in the video was in relation to women in F2 & F3 which do not have it.
@@joshuaniven75 yeah sorry my bad but you did mention F1 only in your first comment but i should've known really.
women are better with G's then men. Ask fighter pilots.
3:45
I see where you're going there, but I still think that a potential F1 rookie vs. Goatifi himself would be unfair, no matter the rookie's gender...
Going up against someone who has been a key factor in a championship is never easy after all 😅
lolll
Hip width and weight argument just seems disingeneous since there's mandatory weight minimums and that cockpits are made to fit the driver.
So what you're telling me is that someone tiny like Tsunoda has a advatage over Gasly because he's small and narrower lol.
Most of the other things I can agree with though, the lack of pace is the main thing.
Yeah a lot of this guys arguments don’t even make any sense. Girls hips are wider proportionally but they’re generally smaller so their hips wouldn’t even be that much wider than a typical male driver. There’s also weight requirements like you’ve said so there wouldn’t be any difference at all.
His argument with power steering is stupid too and shows he’s never driven an old car before. A car without power steering doesn’t require a body builder to be able to drive, and once they’re at speed it’s even easier to turn the wheel. It’s only when the car isn’t moving that it becomes difficult.
Also she is One of Williams F1 test drivers....so she certeinly drove F1s
Yeah a lot of comments are just misogynists disguised as "biology"
@@RoyalAviator for the powersteering part it is not true, since formula cars or i will say open wheel do produce a lot of downforce (acting like weight in a normal car) and the steering will definitely be heavier which it is not the case for a normal road car
@@roninforge She is not a test driver and she has never tested an F1 car. What are you talking about?
My main problem with the W Series is that there is no end product for the winner or the other best placed winners, such as a guaranteed F3 drive or another high-level racing series entry, like ELMS, IMSA or even Indycar.
The W series is like watching a bunch of kids drive oversized go karts there’s always someone going off track or spinning out every lap lmao
@@PhilipJFry-tm9ve Yeah but this can be cleaned up over time.
Right now in F1 we have the 20 best drievrs in the world. They all are experts in these cars and are usually flawless.
Compare them to F3/F4 drievers. That's the same here. Many of the women in W-Series aren't greats, they would be people who get to F3 then never even reach F2 let alone F1 if they were men... But because W-Series needs women, they allow most of these women even if half of them aren't really good.
@@arkangelgaming35 yeah over time but most of these women drivers believe they are ready for F1 when they wouldn’t even last a season in F3 lol the things is men just have more passion for cars it’s just a fact look at all the F1 drivers they have been racing since they were kids, they knew exactly what they wanted to be a champion! Meanwhile most of the women racers only showed interest cause it was something that “women” weren’t doing or they wanna prove something but they don’t put it in the time. What’s stopping women from joining esports leagues? I’ll tell you lack of dedication I see tons of streamers on F1 2022 but not many women and the ones that do play it’s just casual they don’t do competitive racing but they still want an all womens esports league for some reason cause I guess men have an advantage even in video games? 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@arkangelgaming35 I’m willing to bet that any normal joe that plays racing games and has his own rig can easily drive a W series car and not go off track and spin out half way through the season lol
@@PhilipJFry-tm9ve Yeah I wish I could say some of them were ready for F1.. especially Jamie, but I think even she would be humiliated by even Latifi.
The W-Series toe was just not well thought-out. It's sole goal was to edge women toward F1 to try fill some kind of diversity quota, because thanks to Lewis Hamilton, the color of your skin and what's between your legs are now overruling assets to a drivers chances to get into F1.
As if Pay Drivers weren't enough, now more talent will be diluted away from F1 in favour of women and POC men.
The W series is a dead end. Have they tried sticking Jamie in Formula 3 and Formula 2? If she has what it takes, greedy corporates will be fighting for her signature for all that good press.
not really mate, systemic sexism exist.....even if she was the best driver in the world , most corporates would steer clear of her in fear of controversies
@@roninforge Are you kidding me?!! They are dying to find a woman good enough to race with men! just look at how many F1 teams have tested women... Just recnetly and out of my head, i'm thginking of Carmen Jorda, Tatiana Calderon, Simona de Silvestro and Jamie Chhadwick (this is just in the last few years. go look at previous decades and you would be surprised. There are dozens of examples. They are just too slow...). Believe: there's a gold mine in the first woman good enough to race men and every single team knows it and is chasing it. They simply cant find one good enough because there arent many women racing (nor little girls doing karting). It's not for lack of trying...
@@roninforge "systemic sexism exist" care to provide an actual example of a fast female driver (and when I say fast I mean when compared to her male counterparts) that has been side lined for being female? I'll wait but i'm going to be waiting a while.
The only controversy would be if people insist on equality of outcome (diversity quotas) rather than selection based on actual talent.
@@roninforge systemic sexism is something like gender wage gap and unicorn, right? right?
W Series is just F1 and the FIA ticking the diversity requirements from the sponsors. The women deserve their own proper series.
Well that is pure cope. she lost o Mazepin in F3 and he was treated like he was bad(he really wasn't, even won a race in rally this year) I mean she isn't bad but you must remember that latifi isn't a bad driver, he is literally driving the worst car in the grid and can do some very impressive stuff time to time. you must remember that the 20 on the grid are the best drivers on the world. Even the worst ones are very good.
Yep mazepin was almost as good as mick just got a tone of hate and team didn't support him
@@mr.creepington6182 did you forget his season in f1?
@@rileyshuman2553 lmao exactly my thought
@@mr.creepington6182
Almost as good as Mick? Nah.
Had speed and talent? Absolutely.
Man conquered a P5 in F2; even if it's not podium, it's a pretty good achievement.
The big issue with Maz was his constant antics (spins and dangerous driving).
@@mr.creepington6182 Mazepin is a good driver but open wheel racing was just not his sport, i'm actually happy for him knowing he found himself in off-roading
To quote a Dave Chappelle joke....If the women were good enough to compete with the men.... thereeeee would be no WNBA. You would just play in the NBA....edit....I made this comment righhht before you mentioned the WNBA 🤣🤣
There is the question that in brute force, men are stronger than women, but in a racing car, brute force demand is drastically reduced, and even then, special criteria could be easily done to mend the issue, bigger reason on brakes, so women's brakes are longer than male drivers, this allows then to exert the same force, at the cost of more travel, similarly, a stronger power steering would be quite insignificant to make.
About things like "instincts" and risk taking, if a girl has already put herself in a position to be competitive in F2, she is well past this problem
I really agree with your arguments here. Connor made some questionable arguments in the video about how men's physical advantage and instincts were a big factor to why women aren't in F1. But at the end of the day the reason that no women are in F1 or in contention to get a seat in F1 is because women are heavily under represented in motor sport. But I don't see that being because of sexism or anything like that, but simply the fact that the amount of girls that choose to take interest in motor sport and pursue a career in it is minescule in comparison to the amount of boys that do so.
So as I see it the the solution for women to get into F1 is simple. A woman will have to go through her racing career impressing team bosses and climbing through the junior formulas (F3, F2) as every current driver in F1 has had to do and if she has the pace to compete there won't be anything stopping her from getting a seat in F1 when a seat becomes available. If that would be Jamie Chadwick or someone else we'll have to wait and see
@HEAVY DUTY MAYO “What does it mean to be equal?” 🙂 I love that Dave Chappelle special. 😄
@@simonforslinghakansson1988 yeah, if a driver does well in f3, f2, he will be on the list of being a potential f1 driver. The same should be applied to woman. I don't think any f1 team is going to sign a f3 regional champion.
I’ve never disagreed with one of your videos more.
As Susie Wolff said, the reason we don’t see women in the top tier of Motorsport is because it all comes down to a numbers game & the fact is at the introductory level there is far less women getting into the sport than men to the talent pool is smaller.
Where the problem is, is there is not enough promotion for women getting into the sport at the karting level so we don’t see as many women progressing through the sport
What we need is a wider acceptance of girls getting into the sport at a young age…
We need to drop the stigma of Motorsport being a male sport and actually open it up to everyone
Zigackly! Videos like this that don't dig deeper into the wider systemic disadvantages that act as obstacles to entry-level competition do not help, and efforts to exaggerate 'biological' differences are disingenuous. While there is more physical effort required than what appears to the layperson, like equestrian sports there is a significant partner in competition that somewhat levels the playing field. As access to entry-level equestrian competition evolved, so did gender representation - one only needs to examine the quantity and calibre of women riding at Olympic level, or the trend over the last few years to see female jockeys taking major horse races like the Grand National, Melbourne Cup, and New Zealand Cup.
@@leonadams8097 Holy cope. With such axioms, you put yourself in a position to be severely disappointed.
The biology crap is nonsense, but the pace issue is still real. Yes the lack of encouragement for young girls to try their hands at racing is exacerbating the issue but the fact remains that there has never been a female driver even capable of properly competing in F2, nevermind F1. Calderón made it into a seat but let's be honest, she was awful.
@@joshuagleeson4776 "The biological crap is nonsense" Holy Mother of Cope...
@@MrViki60 I'm literally a guy, how am I coping? The only one coping here is you over your misogynistic ideology being challenged.
maybe f3/f2 then see where she can go from there would be amazing to see her get there
She was in F3 regional, couldn't even get close to contesting for the championship.
@@GallactusF1 she was in frec
@@idontexist1681 thanks for the correction
@@idontexist1681 that is a frec
got beaten by mazepin by a noticeable margin
The problem here is that W Series is a dead end. I'm glad the women in racing get their chance at the spotlight(especially when I'm Filipino and actually have a countryman to support there). I'm under no illusion that Bianca makes F1 in the future though as she doesn't even score points regularly. Jamie wins every race in W Series but we've never seen her against males in F3 or F2. If you're female and make it to W Series, that's most likely your F1. Not a lot you can do from there. Her titles hasn't given her F2 opportunities. Really makes you wonder where she goes from here.
EXACTLY. plus, how much of us watch it. I am not being condescending, I respect them all, but not many watch it. for them to get a shot to move up etc, she has to come to F series. Cant blame anyone, you want to be best and face off against the best in your field.
@@arminmohazzebi1518 the fact that they ended the season early proved you right
Bianca's with prema in F4 right, wishing her good luck
If Jamie wants to break into F1, she needs some good results in lower series like FE, F2 etc.
But she hasn't been able to compete well in a competitive series.
She was in FREC, and scored only 80 points.
Juri Vips who competed in only 3 rounds scored more than her over the entire season.
Her teammates were 1-2-3 in the championship and she was 263 points behind her closest teammate.
She needs the results to speak for herself but they aren't!
Yes...let her drive more..she is still young. Hope they pick her for FormE or F3 again
@@roninforge she’s older than 5 drivers on the F1 grid and has yet to be competitive in even F3 equipment.
@@hornetguy9063 she's 24
@@hornetguy9063 And W series IS F3 equipment....
Any way hopefully a better female driver will come along
@@roninforge yeah let me correct myself. F3 equipment against other drivers with real top level aspirations. She got boomroasted the one time she had a Prema ride. Dennis Hauger, who’s 5 years younger and only entered 8 of 23 Formula Regional races in 2020, Booked a win and 6 podiums. Chadwick got 1 in 23 starts and mostly rode around the back for the rest of the season.
i really wanna see a F1 Category for women only, same cars and everything and compare laptimes with the mens category to get a idea
The crazy thing is that Michelle Mouton exists, quite famously competitive in the batshit crazy Group B era of the WRC, and she did really good, she lost a championship because of a failure on the final stage to rally legend Walter Rohl. She also won her class at LeMans. Makes you wonder what potential women have in motorsports if more of them joined.
That, or it shows that Michelle was a one of a kind wonder.
The W series champion should get a seat in the end of season young driver test. It would be a worthy prize for winning and good PR for the relevant team.
Honestly, in a machine, women biology is quite irrelevant, brakes and power steering could be made lighter without much hassle, the wide hips argument is basically non existent because the car is already wide due to the shoulders of male drivers, other than that, reaction times can be equalized with training, so can be G-Load and lap times, so biology isnt really a problem
The only problem really is lack of funding and lack of numbers, out of 100 boys, likely 10-20 would want to be an F1 driver, out of 100 girls, maybe 1 or 2. So the only way to change that is through more women in the sport, in case of the modifications being against the rules, just a quick ammend to the regs can solve the problem.
F1 teams wont put power assisted brakes on their car for the sake of a female driver. Would a woman be strong enough to hold her head up throughout an entire F1 race, some of the men struggle and their necks Are like tree trunks in comparison to Jamie's. If she's the top female driver currently then women have no chance in F1, Jamie's has done more than W series, she raced agaisnt men and never been much better than average.
@@stefanroseEP3 And who the fuck would put power assisted brakes on a racecar? I said longer brakes, in case you dont know much about basic physics, brakes work through a pressure lever, a lot of movement/small area == little movement/large area, and since pressure = force/area, to keep the same pressure, the force outputted is larger, at the cost of travel, so a woman's brakes could easily be worked to have twice as much travel, even more considering that there is basically no travel on these cars, as for powersteering, which is also hydraulic BTW, a slightly bigger pump or a little more area on the pistons also reduces the forces needed to turn the whell, and the W series cars are without power steering anyway
About her neck. Yes, its not that demanding on straights and endurance is one of the specs that both men and women are actually pretty similar, just look at marathons, and the difference in record times is less than 40 seconds, or ultra-marathons where the difference disappears completely.
And while Jamie may not be the name to be in F1, F1 in of itself isnt demanding in a way that the physical advantages of male biology couldnt be worked around or irrelevant
A NBA player weights 100 kgs and is pure muscle, a WNBA player weights 80kgs, so she would obviously just be bullied around due to sheer physics, F1 doesnt have contact against drivers directly, also women are lighter with lower COMs than men, so that could also work in their favor, also generally smaller, and a smaller car is usually faster
@@glockmat it's against the regulations to have a braking system that increases the pressure in the caliper above what the driver applies to the brake pedal, any system that improves the ability of a female to brake will equally improve a man's ability, not sure how that works as you say, so it would be little to no benefit to the women. Steering is a none argument as current F1 aren't remotely difficult to steer anyway. A woman's ability to cope with the forces involved in the main argument, untill we see it done competitively we'll never know.
@@stefanroseEP3 And who the fuck is talking about increasing pressure? What I said is to increase the TRAVEL, to decrease the FORCE exerted by the driver. Pressure is Force/Area, if you double the area, you double to the force given the same pressure. Thats how brakes work, the pads need to move about 1-2mm, while the master cilinder moves about 10-20mm, which means that the force at the pad is 10x greater than the one on the cilinder, a woman's master cilinder would move 20-40mm, which means that the force at the pad stays the same, but the force exerted by the driver is halved, at the cost of double the travel
It doesnt affect anyone actually, it is just a way to reduce the force the driver needs to exert, actually there are drivers that prefer longer brake pedals, so the need less force, which allows then to be more precise. Nothing new actually, for a woman it would just that same system that already exists, but a little bit more extreme.
You dont need an extra pump, you just need a different master cilinder
Also woman are generally better at supporting G-loads, so there is also that, and drivers lean on the sidepads any way, so why are we having this discussion?
@@glockmat what's the 'and who the fuck' lol absolute muppet
its not about sexuality and diversity, its about skill
formula one team's depend on skill to make money, a single place can make a huge monetary difference. teams care more about getting a better driver than bieng more diverse.
Just to clarify I WANT Diversity in the sport. I’m making this video to get us talking about it. Another factor I completely forgot to put in is the fact that in FRECA Jamie was in a prema and was beaten by both of her teammates and only came 10th in the standings.Also on second thoughts the body shape argument doesn’t hold up as well as i originally intended but oh well you live and learn.
don't bend the knee to the wokesters man, video was based and now you are cucking
Also no one has answered me this yet is why does the sport need to change? does the nba or nfl need to change because there is no asians in it or women? the sport worked more or less like it is since it began
i agree on that we need them to compete against men on every level of racing..but that is not happening is it..and i think most of that is MONEY..racing is expensive to say the least and you need connections to get the chance right..and if you look whos got the chance in F1 this last years rich father or connections...dont count charles is magnificent..i can go on and on about this..and i DO love your channel
It happens, it happens.
Don't shoehorn.
Some of the greatest engineering minds in the world defeated by "Slightly wider driver hips". You don't have a fucking clue mate.
I think u should look about the women in F1 argument in a whole different way. Namely if u look at karting for every 1000 boys that start karting maybe 50 girls do (very rough estimate as someone who"s been in karting for 18 years). Then what is the chance that out of those 1000 boys one of them is fast enough to get in f1 and then also has a couple millions to spare to get trough the feeder series very small already . Now out of the 50 girls from the same generation the chance one out of those 50 is the fastest of al those people is very minimal and then she would also need to have the budget to get somewhere(although there are much more sponsorship possibilities).
Dainca Patrick in indy car is a race winner and earning 3 pole position getiing rookie of the year. I think the issues is the lack of female drivers coming through. Having a separate series in my opinion doesn't help as you need to be competing equally all the way through. I think the physical aspect is hard but the teams/governing body could help with things like power assisted brakes ( they already have power steering) , maybe even g suit tech! This might also help existing drivers with issues? . After all The USA and many other air forces have female fighter pilots taking sustained Gs and graduating from places like top gun so the ability to soak up the gs is there. Just my tupennys worth , its always been the size of the fight in the dog for me.
I was thinking about this when they added Jeddah to the calendar bc Saudi Arabia only made it legal for women to get driving licenses a few years ago
When you think about it, Jamie only started karting when she was 11 - a lot of drivers on the grid started much younger. If parents gave their girls the opportunity, and those girls took an interest, you could start seeing more women that might be worthy of an F1 seat
Engineers have to accommodate for a massive range of difference driver heights so I think they can work around someone having wider hips than the average male driver. The general strength difference could be an obstacle but the difference in general reaction times would be the biggest thing that could hold women back from titles in the sport, but you're definitely right in saying that if the first woman to get into F1 doesn't immediately kill the game, she's getting torn to pieces bc even male driver get ripped into if they underperform
Even still, I'd love to see Jamie back in F3 and to see how she does
Chadwick appears to be the most gifted female driver of recent years by a long way. She won an F3 race in 2018 showing her potential but then chose not to continue for 2019, instead going to W series. I think that might have been a mistake. However , she has been a Williams development driver since 2020. I imagine Williams benefit greatly from having a female development driver but they don't appear to rate her highly enough to promote her to the racing team.
If the best current female driver isn't good enough, it may be many years before another comes along with any chance at all. I think it's time for Daniel Ricciardo to come out as transgender.
@Rachel Wood Jamie was under performing against Mazepin.. Mazepin...
@Rachel Wood wdym? mazepin at that time shouldn't have that much more experience compared to her. it's not like we are comparing chadwick with 'mazepin that has ride F1' version....
@Rachel Wood Rachel, I.... We're just different, wymyn simply cannot compete.
She has never raced in F3.
Chadwick has never won a f3 race
If Yuki Tsunoda could drive a F3 car with like 16 then so could a well-trained woman. And if 40+ Alonso can drive an F1 car to the podium then so can a well-trained woman. I find these physical arguments really unconvincing.
I always say: we haven't heard of the next female f1 driver yet. She won't come from any of the known female drivers today.
They are all still male at the end of the day. A skilled 16 year old male can still outperform a trained woman.
16 year old boys and 40 year old men are far stronger than 20 year old women. But I think the main problem is the talent pool of women simply isn't big enough to find someone who could actually be competitive.
It is convincing, a 40+ man is not a grandpa in any sense, he probably retains most of his younger strength, and about tsunoda, that was in f2, not in f1, and a late male-teenager usually has more muscle development than most women.
@@idontexist1681 why not juju noda? she's 16 racing in W Series, and she's sponsored by Honda
I'm tired of this discussion. Put her in a damn F2 car already and stop talking about what she has and hasn't been in. This is now, she deserves a spot.
Edit: and here come the smooth brains
🤦♂ stop projecting jesus christ lol
exactly!
She doesn't. In Formula regionals she placed P7. Which is not bad but not at all the results she's capable of in w series. If a male driver finished P7 in F3 there's no chance they would make it to F2 so why should she? She needs to compete in F3 or something similar and prove she deserves a spot in F2
@@totowolffstable4044 this is what I'm talking about, that championship round was a few years ago and she has developed well since then. Obviously her name and circumstance carries more weight and I guarantee she can outdrive a few F2 drivers right now. If she settles for the F3 seat, then fine, I'm just tired of this rhetoric that she hasn't proven herself when she clearly has.
@@SushiBandit28 how has she developed well enough to justify an F2 seat?? She’s won the W series against OTHER Women not against male competitors she doesn’t deserve an F2 seat on those grounds.
Give her an FIA Formula 3 seat and see how she performs, I believe she is an amazing talent anyways and will thrive so she would hopefully make the jump to F2
@@jamal202z2 or get her in Formula E , Little lighter Cars , a good testing grouond
Ik WRC isn't F1, but im always quite curious on how Michelle Mouton was actually competing at a really good level against the men back in the Group B era, like what factors are there, that she was actually be able as fast as one of the best rally drivers at that time
To quote Mika Hakkinen. Big balls. Gender has no meaning in WRC, just how mentally unhinged you are.
• "Hips to wide" - Come on, that's a bit silly
• "Not strong enough/needs power steering" - She raced karts from 11, She drove F3 that has no power steering and neither do W Series cars
• "A bit mid and would drown in F3/2" - Maybe, but based on her speed and racecraft, she surely deserves the chance at a top team to prove herself? Before W Series she became the only female to win the MRF Challenge - something Mick Schumacher only managed to get third in. Who knows how she's fair at the very top level, but would love to see her try.
in F3 she raced for prema, arguably the best team in formula 3 and she only came 10th
She struggled in British F3 finishing 8th in the standings in Asian F3 she improved but got beaten by Nikita Mazepin (who finished 3rd) by 47 points that's quite a margin if you ask me and she finished 9th at FREC
I am sorry, but she already was in f3 and finished 9th in the best team, for comparison her 3 teammates were 1st, 2nd and 3rd, biology is a bitch but it is what it is
@@ChickenMusiala she actually beat all her team mates in British F3 both seasons she was in it so I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about
@@broshido2745 She has never raced in F3. Jeeez people need to get their facts right and stop posting this over and over again.
I agree with a lot of this and have been saying it to friends for a while. I think if the W series wants to continue without rebranding, then they need to make it like F3 and F2 where if you win the title you get the funds to move up, but you can’t sit in the series and win year after year. The big thing they can’t do is move a female driver up only to fail. It ruins everything they have worked for. I would love to see Chadwick in an F3 car to see if all the hype has merit so I’m not quite sure why she hasn’t made the switch. Either way, I’m hoping they go about this series and mission the right way.
exactly
Perhaps the W series title should come with a paid or heavily subsidised seat in F3 for 1 year. The first target is finish higher than your team-mate.
Money. She gave an interview last year after taking the championship that the prize pot after three titles wasn't enough to get into F3 with.
It should be that way, but idk if it isn’t that big of a prize payout or what.
Money 🤷🏻♂️👍
Serious Doubt about the assertion that women cannot be athletic enough to compete in F1. If female fighter Pilots are able to control an aircraft while regularly experiencing G-forces of 9 Gs then there is absolutely no reason why female drivers cant handle the far lower G forces experienced in F1.
The forearm strength argument doesnt fly as F1 cars have power steering! IndyCars do not and women such as Simona and Danica managed to race competitively at least mid-pack. That said, neck strength is more important in F1 due to the harder Gs, so that should be considered. But someone like Chadwick needs to be able to show off what she has in F2. If she is fast and competitive, then F1 needs to re-evaluate the validity or need for their super license system. As for the body size argument, sounds plausibe. That said, at one point women were deemed to not be able to fly as fighter pilots. Then engineers realized women were actually more suitable sizewise for a fighter cockpit.
I'm just wondering, can't they just stiffen up the hans device? Or shape the seat so that it supports the helmet. I feel like that argument is bullshit, because they already a device that hinders the neck from going too far in a direction. Hell, just add a rubberband of some sorts that attaches to the helmet so you don't have to hold back all the force while braking etc. just like those support restraints when doing pull-ups etc.
They used to say that women could not be astronauts ....
Yuki's shoulders are at about the same height as most of the other drivers hips and he fits in the car, so there goes the wide hip theory 😗
One other big problem is money. You have to spend 1 - 2 millions per YEAR to have a seat in a Prema or Trident car.
Sophia Flörsch said something like this "People say ""you all drive in the same car"" on paper that might be true. But a team like prema has tthe recources and people to win the WC every single year. The truth is, my family hasnt got the money to stay in Formula sports for longer"
Well some would say she is "midfield" well yes, but the points stays. BTW her 24h races are pretty good 6th and 9th in Le Mans, 2nd in Le Castele
Gotta be honest with you, I don't think latifi will lose to chadwick for some reason.
Nobody can beat Goatifi so it’s not much of a stretch
Please, let them cope, for they have nothing else.
I think she should give F2 a go! It would be great to have the W series (as it is currently) be like a feeder series into F2, then from there they can move into F1 if they are good enough (based on merit).
She'll get utterly battered in F2. Why do we keep having this debate?
Basically called Jamie Chadwick thicc. Nice.
I don't agree with the later braking point argument. Anyone who gets into motorsport wants to be the fastest on track and knows how to do that, one of the more important parts of that is late braking. I don't think women will take the safer option of braking too early just to avoid the consequences and give up faster laptimes.
Let the laptimes determine who sits in the seat .
The big problem with women in Formula 1 is that it relies on oil money and sponsorships. Oil kings are from some countries that still won't even accept that a women should drive at all. So I don't know if they would be interested in investing large amounts of money into F1 if they see something that they are against.
Fair play to you for not beating around the bush and not afraid to say how it is.
#somebush
There is this very unclear line between women actually interested in racing and wanting to go all the way and are willing to train to get to the level of the current f1 drivers and just feminists saying that "We need women in this sport and otherwise you're sexist!!" I totally support people who are willing to go all the way, and have a true passion for what they are doing, but putting someone not as good in the grid just to make the people of 2023 happy makes no sense. I feel only the people who truly care about what they are doing and are actually good at it should come out on top. I don't care if that comes up as a majority of the best drivers being male or female, the extremely limited seats on offer should only be taken by the best.
This comment is in to no way against female drivers, the point that I am trying to make is that we just havent seen a female driver that is good enough to compete yet and it would be great to see one soon. I don't want teams signing someone just for the sake of having a woman in the team and "being equal."
Woman lacks the strength. They will not be able to compete with men in F1. This is not a anti woman statement its a biological fact. She will not do well in any formula outside the W series if its male dominated. This is seen in many other sports as well. The biological composition of men and women cannot be denied.
Finally someone who gets it.
F1 is the prime example of women not being able to compete with men in a level playing field.
Just like any other male junior drivers who wanted to climb the rank, put her in an actual F3 or F2 series and we'll see. Before all that it's all talk, be it disadvantage or advantage of being a female driver.
Males are physically stronger than females and Formula 1 is a physically demanding sport so by common sense males have an advantage.
Chadwick ran against some current F1 drivers previously and was, like, marginally behind all of them
Its common sense,males are physically stronger than females
i don’t think the biology is actually that big if a deal in f1 in particular…. as long as they’re GOOD and earn a seat in f1 they’ll get it
I think to a point it’s important. because remember you still have to be incredibly fit and strong to drive an f1 and biology can play into that quite a bit. But idk that’s just my opinion
@@CarsWithConnor you are completely correct but what i mean is it is completely possible for a female to achieve that whereas in other sports it’s literally impossible. For example 100m sprint, like you said it’s biologically impossible for them to be faster but a female could definitely achieve the same physical fitness as their male counterparts. Then it just becomes the issue that are they mentally fit to be in the top 20 drivers and compete at that level
@@azan7659 male and female train their body intensely for Formula 1,they both train the same time,who has the upper hand and whos gonna be more physically stronger?
I'm no white knight or 'woke' feminist but as the father of a daughter who kicked ass in local dirt short track some of your arguments don't hold water.
1) Most men would not take those risks either. Maybe 4% are inclined towards that level of aggressive risk/daredevil tendencies. So what if only 2% of women are? That would mean by inclination roughly a third of F1 drivers could be female.
2) While I wouldn't call Danica Patrick a great driver she wasn't trash either, she was a pretty average driver. There was a lot of talk around the late 2000's of her joining F1. She had podiums and a win in Indycar. She wasn't a 'top' Indycar driver but she was decent and competent. She wasn't some Britney Griner or Jackie Joyner-Kersee specimen either, an athlete but not physically a 'stud'. Indycar does not have power breaks, nor power steering.
3} While F1 drivers are athletes in my opinion they aren't massive weight lifters or physical specimens like an NBA player. My guess is there are female athletes in more physical sports like the WNBA or Track and Field that could 'kick their ass'. Plus, from what I've been told F1 braking is more about getting used to the force needed and applying it than needing to be a power lifter to brake.
Local dirt track is no where in the same world as F1 but that is scale not kind. What I can tell you is that she was not physically disadvantaged driving and won her share of races and usually finished top half. Before you think 'oh your daughter of course you think': On the other hand, she also did junior motocross and at about 13 or 14 years old she did become physically disadvantaged to the point she became non-competitive for placing. If we were talking about motocross I'd agree, but she was one of the top local drivers in the local dirt track circuit.
My personal thought is we don't have a female F1 driver for the same reason we used to not have a lot of female engineers, young girls were exposed to, encouraged to, and socially modeled to become engineers. To a degree and analogous sport to motor racing is equestrian events where men and women are in competition and women do just fine out competing men with more Olympic medals since women have been allowed to compete. You could argue the discrepancy lies in men being less exposed to, less encouraged to, and less socially modeled to compete in equestrian disciplines. If young girls were not exposed to, encouraged to and socially modeled to ride and jump horses there would be a youtube vid saying they were too physically disadvantaged.
All come down to the simple point that most girls don't really care about motorsports. They are not that competitive, they don't care about how an engine and a car work, etc. Let's say 5% of girls loves motorsports, for boys is more than 50%. It's not that girls are not exposed to motorsports, they are but they are not care. The female talent pool is extremely small and that is not going to change, ever. I do expect at the next 10-15 years women in F1, because statistically even with a small talent pool, some women will make it.
As much as I want to see Jamie win and make it into F1, I don't think that will be possible until she can rise the ranks in F3 and F2 on merit. Simple as that. The female Lewis Hamilton comparisons I keep seeing on Instagram and social media are nice, but she (and really any other female driver that comes into this type of racing) cannot make that a reality until they can truly push the limits. Unfortunately, if you're the first of something, you have to work harder than everyone else, accomplish more to prove yourself worthy AND set the tone of acceptance for people after you. Lewis definitely did that with his racing, and Jamie has to get to that level to be taken seriously like the other competitive drivers on the F1 grid right now.
If there was a woman with the pace for F1 she would be there by now. How many teams in F1 would jump at the possibility of having the first female driver? Remeber when that spanish girl was a test driver for lotus or something a few years ago? They wouldn't shut up about it and she didn't do anything of note. Imagine the PR gold it would be to have a competitive female driver in your team. She would be more famous than Lewis Hamilton. Michèle Mouton is a legend to this day, rightly so, and she never won a rally championship.
Mouton was actually good though and won rallies against drivers like Blomqvist, Toivonen, Vatanen, Hannu Mikkola or Walter Röhrl.
@@Maenfy she is a legend
Well, Michelle Muton made it in the WRC! In arguably the HARDEST era of the Sport, & most physical Group B!
Danica made it in Indycar, she won at Motegi in 2008, & got a top 5 in the Championship, no reason why Girls cannot do it in F1 either!
They just needs to get the proper funding & chance to compete with the boys in a top team! :)
If Yuki Tsunoda can compete if F1, I don't think Jamie will have a problem with the physical demands.
You do realize that while still being tiny he's still a man with a man's biological advantages. Just at a neuromuscular level he's way more advantaged over women.
She’s not sleeping with you buddy.
Also she didn’t perform well in F3 before and that speaks for itself.
Plenty of drivers that are better.
A worse driver??? Latifi is far better than Chadwick and that isn't meant to be a goatifi meme.
I think Jamie should be given her shot in the predecessor series to F1. First in F3 and if she proves herself there I'd love to see her in F2. If she manages to get to F1 then she deserves it at that point. Give Jamie her shot in F3 against the guys there and we'll see how she stacks up against the guys.
There's just not enough girls interested in being racing drivers to build a pool of potential candidates for top levels of racing at the moment. There arent very many girls in carting and you see maybe 3 woman competitors over a long day of sim racing on IRacing. If as many girls as boys were involved in carting and sim racing during those required developmental years, im sure you could identify a few that have enough talent to race in F1. W series is a great start but half the racers in that series are horrible and even Chadwick who has.a developmental deal with Williams cant even get a young driver's test day or Fri practice go.
no powersteering in Indycars and Danica Patrick won a race in that series so I think Chadwick would do well in junior formula at least
Hi Connor, you seem like a good kid. I wish you all the success in the world. Keep working hard
Btw she drove in Formula Regional European Championship in 2020 with the best team prema, out of the 10 full time drivers she finished 7th.
OH NONONONO WOMENSISTERS WHAT HAPPENED?????
She can win in an uncompetitive field, that doesn't say much. Her Formula Regional campaign in 2020 was abysmal, finishing behind all 3 of her teammates with not even 1/3 of the points they got. with Petecof winning the championship with 359 points, Arthur Leclerc 2nd and Oliver Rasmussen 3rd both scoring 343 points, Chadwick? 9th with 80 points and only 2 top 5 finishes in the entire season. Her teammates combined scored 15/24 wins that season. and Petecof and Rasmussen have both left Formula racing with no success. And Leclerc is in his 2nd F3 season and is sitting in 3rd with 1 win.
Dennis Hauger raced in 8 races that season with 6 podium finishes and 1 win, and finished with more points than Chadwick, and Juri Vips? Also competed in 8 races that year with 3 podiums and still finished ahead..
In that 2020 season only 2 full time drivers finished behind her on points. Gillian Henrion and Emidio Pesce
Reality is Chadwick is a mediocre at best driver that will never see any success in a Formula series other than the W series. Her best option to move on would be Indycar or any other kind of open wheel racing in America, OR move into GT3/4 as a full time driver or the WEC. She did win the 2015 British GT4 championship alongside Ross Gunn so GT racing may be more her speed
What they should be doing, if their goal is to get women in to F1, is to give the women cars somewhere between F2 and F1. This way they can gauge properly their lap times, reaction times etc. To say that 'Yes, she is good enough' or no 'She isn't good enough' There is no metric available to the women for engineers and data specialists to make that assessment. And if it comes down to sponsorship, powerful cars bring in powerful money. We've been fortunate enough to see W series drivers compete against men in similar cars already (Praga series with Abbie Eaton) so at bare minimum, we have SOMETHING to look at for comparisons sake. They take effectively the same risks for harm and injury as the mens series do, so why not give them cars with the power to let the world know, are they any good at the pinnacle?
I am not sure Jamie Chadwick is better than Nicholas latifi
no better then latifi..lol...your better then him
Nicholas Latifi would destroy Jamie Chadwick
@@mickelin100 no I am not and you aren’t either it’s not easy to be within a second with the worlds greatest drivers
@@Christzo18 thats right its not easy..but you must admit the patriarchy in motorsport is beyond anything
@@mickelin100 I admit
Her having a female body isn’t a solid argument. Women can still train their muscles. And the car pretty much covers the entire body, so it’s not like a woman’s curves will slow her down. And just because the average woman brakes earlier (which idk is true), doesn’t mean every woman does.
Bottom line, get her into f3 against the normal drivers, who are ofcourse all males. See how she peforms. And because both W series cars and f3 are roughly the same spec, there wouldn't be an argument of her getting used to the car. Moreso, if she cant get a seat, let her set some times just for the sake of argument. Im sure FIA can make that happen for the sake of inclusivity and fair chance. All I'm saying is, lets not come to an assumption already.
She's competed in the formula regional 2020 and got smashed. She's isn't good enough
@@thehorsecockexpress1068 well that clears it up then. Women just aren't at the same level when it comes to physical strength. Cheers
Wide hips would be an advantage since some of the weight is in the butt instead of the shoulders. It could provide a lower center of gravity but then again I might just be talking out of my behind.
Jamie has done more than W series and she was never more than average at any point. She needs to go to f3 and win, which she won't, but she needs to
There are only one series using the old F3 Tatus-Alfa Romeo 1.8 turbo. So nobody can do a direct comparison.
I also think Jamie Chadwick isn't "the one" to actually have a full solid F1 season but not because of the body limitations. There are signs of other women competing in other motorsports and being better than 90% of the men like Michelle Mouton or Danica Patrick (pre-Nascar) but these were like 1 in a million occasions due to motorsport being not so popular with women. That's changing now and we'll have the one in 10-20 years later imo
I think the simple answer is that women aren’t as interested in Motorsport in general. And the ones who are have to compete with the same competition everyone else has to compete with and most of them are not going to make it into f1 or even professional Motorsport. So when you have a small amount of women coupled with the fact that the odds in general are monumentally against females as there may even be a physical advantage for men at that level of g force, you get what we have now. The people who blame it on the industry have to explain to me why they wouldn’t just take any female driver when that would create huge media attention which helps with advertising money? To say that they are just sexist is not believable to me.
Bro goatifi is better then her
debatable
@@CarsWithConnor not even close to debatable
she'll just destroy her rep if she skips f2 or f3 and goes to f1 to compete.
they need to adapt her to how f1 car works.
also simply put, just put her f2 or f3 if she delivers then she has high hopes for f1
Connor might get canceled for this video lol 😆
This is UA-cam, not twitter
just an opinion 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@CarsWithConnor the correct one, yes. But also inherently controversial in some parts of modern society to acknowledge physiological differences between the genders
Danica Patrick is the woman to have ever won a race in a major monopost race championship, she won due strategy (which Is far) and had some good season, not all of them, not in Nascar. Simona de Silvestro had one (maybe two) second place. Beatriz Figueiredo (fellow Brazilian countrywoman) had some top 10 and won races in IndyLights. All three of them in series with less power steering than F1. Beatriz has even said how much she had to train to keep a good pace and how difficult it was after she broke her hand once. So, there is some concern about strength, but it is not that huge.
Another point, and this matter the most, is how late women in general start their experience with racing. Some drivers have already had some kart experience between five and seven years old, while most women start late, about ten to thirteen. This makes a huge difference in time and development for young drivers. The main question is how much time does a male driver have more than a same-age female driver's counterpart? This lack of experience really impacts in perform. I would argue this was Chadwick's main reason to underperformed F3 back then, but she won't improve by just keeping racing against less competitive opponents.
Nice video to show exactly what the problem is...
"men are stronger, women aren't as quick" etc etc. why is it only f1 has this female hang up? every other series on the planet has female drivers to varying levels of success. it's never even brought into question! it's only the f1 community who sees it as an issue. even when simona di silvestro had a chance her team management sidelined her for a year before dumping her out!
I mean I'd love to hear Michelle mouton opinion on "females aren't physically strong enough to compete with men".
fact remains you can't fix a generational problem overnight..... it will take years for the w series initiative to gain momentum. its starting to but it HAS to start at grass roots.... that will take a while.
anyway... that's my 2 cents... Nice vid btw....
Utter and complete cope. We're just made different, by nature, through evolution.
@@MrViki60 why then is motorsport and equestrian the only 2 sports in the world where male and female can compete together on equal terms??? it's not an issue in any other series worldwide. females have competed on the world level in motorsport for decades. no one is denying the difference...... so why is that suddenly an impediment???
@@paulboggan Formula 1 is more physically demanding than other motorsports
@Not_dev1 really? whilst I'm not denying f1s demands but other series are equally if not more physically demanding than f1 according to the actual drivers themselves.
@@paulboggan can you provide some sources?
With Jamie results in Indy NXT her results are something she probably wants to forget. If she can’t get in tune with the car I can’t see her going anywhere
Jamie is steadily improving in that series. I'm looking forward to seeing how this years results go!
She doesn't deserve to be there. Plain and simple.
What F3 races has she won? .
What F2 Championships has she won?.
None to both questions.
When has she won in a top tier series such as Indycars? WEC? . She never has.
Exactly,altough I think she should have a try out with the Iron Dames WEC team,they won their class at the Monza 6 Hours
Nobody is saying she should be in F1. She doesn’t even fit the requirements for it. All people want to see is for her to be given the opportunity to prove herself in F3 and see where she goes.
@@RoyalAviator Dude you literally had thousands and thousands of people saying/demanding her to be in F1 in 2023.
Formula One's lack of women is I think much more down to culture than biology, The barrier for entry to even junior motorsports is ridiculously high and has always been either the Rich White man's sport or the Rich White Man's Kid sport. To overcome the hurdles that come while not being a stereotypical racing driver you need to be better in the car than others, If Lewis Hamilton wasn't one of the most promising rookie drivers of all time and one of the greatest to ever do it I don't think he'd have even gotten to F1 (mainly because he wasn't rich).
Also, a comparison to something like the 100m sprint is really strange, because running is purely a biological thing, whereas motorsports are mechanical. This doesn't mean you don't have to be strong to drive an F1 car, but that's mostly because of the regs, not nature. If women are at a disadvantage in running, we don't have men and women compete against each other, but if women are at a similar disadvantage in F1, we can just build a the car differently.
Some people still don't understand that men and women are different, I don't know how but I guess that's the age we live in. Look at it this way, 99% of bricklayers are men, why do you think that is? I seriously don't think unless they slow these cars down a lot, and make the g-forces less relevant a woman will be able to compete in F1 and stay there, I do think doing this would also make the sport a lot less interesting for new fans and ultimately it cant run unless it makes a profit so I don't think that's a good idea either.
I mean in right now i don’t think there’s an easy way to get women into f1 but hopefully in the future they can sort it out!
one of the reasons F1 is a sport is becuase of how hard it is physically to drive these cars,removing that imo would ruin the sport
W series needs to be abolished and women held to the same standard as men.
Let Chadwick into F2 or F3
You don't realize it yet but this video is a bit sexist.
how and why? everything he said stands under scrutiny
@@juricakovac5667 he literally says "men will brake later than women in the same car" and provides 0 evidence for this take.
@@micahholland1021 you don't need evidence, men don't break the same, how can you expect women too, Sam from Seenthroughglass on youtube drove a renault f1 car a couple of years back and he immediately said his leg was tired and cramping and he is an in shape 6'2 guy
@@juricakovac5667 cool, you just made my point for me? Also, trying to argue a point by saying you don't need evidence is v dumb. Like you said, personal experience differs vastly, that's why we have science.
yeah i didnt intend for it to be perceived as that. but thanks for your feedback!
This is an argument that an average woman can handle F1 worse than an average man. Whether that is true or not is beside the point. If Chadwick has the skills to hack it in F3/2/1 she should be allowed to go for it like any other driver. It’s not complicated.
Well she is allowed she just doesn't have the finances to do it.
This video comes off as pretty misogynistic. You make a lot of assumptions about biology and provide no evidence. Saying a man would break later than a women in the same car isn't the take you think. Hope you delete this video.
Yeah and then saying it’s a “biological instinct” rather than even thinking about the social conditions that required things like the men going hunting way back then. Seriously disappointing video. Hope he learns from it rather than just standing pat
On average, women (n=32) braked at a TTC 1.3 s higher than men (n=52).
Source: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25307380/
I'm not saying women shouldn't race, I'm just saying that women are different compared to men. When will people start to accept that?
Hey Micah, thanks for your feedback. i didn’t intend for it to come across like this. I was trying to use that statement as a generalisation to give an example of the sort of thing i was talking about. if that makes sense
No it does not. You're making it that way.
@@alec3965 and why do u think men are the one that goes hunting in the first place? Male and female homo- sapiens tossed a coin too see who won? Apparently, male won.
I think that to have a fair debate here, we need Jamie Chadwick to be in F2 or F3. Also can we stop calling women “girls” while we call men men.
You should reevaluate your take on this. You blankly say women are not physically capable without providing any evidence as to how this is the case. Sure F1 is physically demanding you cite a 50kg leg press as a standard. There are a plethora of women that can easily lift that. The hips argument is really weak, the current and former drivers have huge physical variances, compare Mark Webber to Lewis Hamilton, they are entirely different and cars/seats are regularly changed to enable their driving. The majority of your premises come back to your own bias, you think women are weaker, have slower reaction times and as such you justify this with spurious claims with no basis. You then argue that women can’t participate because the sport isn’t ready for them, the sport wasn’t ready for a black driver in 2007 and he went on to become the best ever despite the racism and abuse he faced from day 1. The clear reality is that inherent bias in the sport is always the limiting factor to the acceptance of diversity, if F1 as a sport actually cared there would be women driving. It has happened in other motor sports like Mouton in rallying.
My instincts say this was a load of sexist rubbish and a waste of time.
Hey, I find a lot of your points to be very presumptuous and accidentally sexist. I'm not starting a fight in the comments so to others please don't dogpile me. I'm in your discord as Sw1m if you want to message me I think I could clear up some things and we could have a discussion. I have competed as a professional athlete for over 5 years now and have seen many many videos propegating assumptions that lead to broader sexism. As a content creator it's important that you get this stuff right
What sexist things did he say?
@@GallactusF1 probably that women don't have same strength levels as men
@@juricakovac5667 Thats not sexist its science
Biology itself is sexist. In physical terms, female mantis or spiders are large and strong while it's flipped for human or mammals.
@@juricakovac5667 that not sexism, that's a Biological Truth
Sponsors and teams would jump at the chance to get a woman in F1. But there isnt anyone (female) in the feeder/junior series thats winning. If they put a woman in F1 without working up through the ranks, itll do more harm than good for the idea of women in F1 imo. Until a female starts winning in karting, f4, f3, f2 itll be years before a woman makes it to f1. Tens of millions of men are interested in motorsport, maybe one percent get to do it, and a tiny fraction of that are good enough to be professional. Since very few woman, by comparison, have interest in racing its always going to be harder to find the rare world champion rising up through the ranks
Finally someone who's not afraid to say it.👍👍
Another point to consider when discussing g forced and female pilots is the difference between turning a car & banking an airplane “coordinated turns” vs “un coordinated turns”. In an airplane if you suspend a pendulum from a ceiling and turn it will stay still. This is why you need instruments when you blind (night/fog/no visibility). The center of gravity is always right below you resulting in you mind lying to you about your orientation. All this to say women have a better time with this type of g forces as it mostly depends on keeping blood in the brain - not actually keeping your head up with strength.
I'm sorry, but these areguments are just ridiculous. There are only 2 things stopping Jamie, and women in general, from getting into F1. Money and sexism. The W series isnt there because women are biologically too different or 'cant fit into' the cars, it was created because they couldnt get the sponsorsphips, and thus could get the money, and thus couldnt get the seats. Regardless of their actual talent. If this wasnt the core issue, the W series wouldnt be free to enter.
Also, while I do think Jamie is the biggest talent atm for women getting into F1, its very unfair putting all this weight on her shoulders, like saying 'imagine if Latifi destroyed her, how's that gonna look for women in F1?'. It's not her job to prove women deserve to be in F1. Women innately 'deserve' to be in F1 as equally as men do, as it should be based on talent and potential. Not their gender. Making the W series the 'pinnacle of womens motorsport' will just put a rubber stamp on complete segregation of formula racing. We dont just need 'a woman' in F1, we need women in F1.
To put a pinpoint in it, it's not about whether F1 is 'ready for women'. There is nothing to get ready for. Just put women in F1. (and F2, F3 etc.) Let their track performance speak for itself.
Money and sexism!!? Absolute BS! If she was winning races and championships in F3 and F2 then she would defo have a shot at an F1 seat regardless of her gender or bank balance, but she's not is she......!?
Nobody “deserves” to be in F1. Everyone “deserves” the opportunity to be in F1 and she has that. Build your resume and knock on sponsors doors and secure funding like everyone else.
@@Ellisf1 But she cant even get into F3 or F2 without the money and sponsors. She said as much herself is why she hasn't made the move so far. Why cant she get the sponsors? She's literally won the W Series championship twice, and is on track for a 3rd.
@@dji8601 Individuals no, but I wasn't talking about an individual at the time. I was talking about women as a whole.
@@WannabeMarsanach Because the competition in W Series is absolutely dogshit. She proved in FRECA that winning W Series means absolutely nothing and all the teams/sponsors knows that.
Also you do realise Chadwicks family is filthy rich right?
If women are to get to F1 girls have to get into karts in big numbers at the same young ages as boys. As a teen and early 20s decades ago I was into racing sports cars. When people knew what my hobby was they would look at me as if I had grown two heads and if I dared to beat the blokes i would get the condescending "you're pretty good...for a girl." It gets bloody tedious after a while - you can't succeed or fail as an individual as men can it seems: you succeed or fail for all womankind.
You really have to be prepared to buck the system and FFS women you're better than just being a support system to men. Jenson Button said in his autobiography what a great karter Max Verstappen's mum was..until she gave it all up to support Jos. Much good it did her too. And in this month's GP Racing David Coulthard said of his late sister Lynsay: "Lynsay was very talented, we raced karts together and I honestly believe she was quicker than me and, had she been given the opportunity, could have gone further. As it happened the family's focus shifted towards me and I went on to do what it did." Worth noting he is one of the biggest supporters of women in racing: perhaps he still feels guilty.... It may well turn out that girls are generally less interested than boys, but until parents take their 4 or 5 year-old daughters along to a karting track and let them have a go rather than just stand around and applaud their brothers, we will never know.
On G forces, women are fighter pilots who regularly withstand up to 9G. Ok, that's vertical G but there is no serious evidence that says women cannot withstand G forces well. As for endurance, the longer an athletic situation goes on, the nearer females get to male times. Blokes have explosive speed in their muscles but females often have incredible stamina.
This isn't a good take, Jamie Chadwick could be just as successful as a man in F1 in my opinion. If the sport required muscle mass & size as a priority then maybe, but these are more secondary requirements behind a driver's reaction times & also raw talent. Look at drivers like Estaban Ocon, yeah he might be male and have the benefits of more testosterone to fuel muscle mass, however, he could very easily lose that advantage via reaction times or raw talent as I say. I want to see more of a push for women in F1 because I believe that a lot of fans would be pleasantly surprised. If the power steering is such an issue in F3, the FIA should consider mandating power steering (I personally don't think this would cause that many problems for female drivers though, my tiny 4ft9 105lb Great Grandma could drive an old VW Caddy truck with no power steering & did for years)
she didn't drive it at 200 km/h + big difference, I don't think fans would care because even if women made it into F1 they would be a backmarker so no one would care
Yep those are some good points but i think when it comes to driving these cars on the limit tiny details make a big difference. But yeah you make some good points !
@@juricakovac5667 That might be the case with some fans, the back markers can provide entertainment though - with TV direction etc it can be easy to miss some of the action but if you use the F1 app and have the live race feed open, you can see when there is action going on at the back more often so maybe give that a go too. Teams like Williams might be at the back but they bring a huge amount of history to the grid & I think it's important to recognise that the teams that aren't fighting at the front can still provide good racing entertainment.
@@CarsWithConnor it's nice to see you're willing to take people's comments on board - thanks 🙂
I really agree with what you have to say about muscle mass not being the primary factor in if Jamie Chadwick could succeed in F1 or not. But the main thing i see is people saying she deserves an F1 seat right now when she has done nothing to prove she could compete at that level. Of course she hasn't had the opportunity to do so since the W-series cars are about even to F3. So the only way i see for Jamie Chadwick to get into F1 is if she goes to F3, does well, progresses to F2 and if she impresses there as well then there should be nothing stopping her from reaching F1. Especially in this age where equality is demanded more than ever i think if she proves herself in F3 and F2 there most likely hurling money at her so she has the proper funding.
And to finish this comment off I'd just like to say that i think that absolute number 1 reason women aren't represented in F1 and the higher formulas is because there's a lack off girls that take interest in the sport. And I've never understood the argument about only women needing more funding since if you look at the F1 grid today nearly all of the drivers have got there in large part to them growing up wealthy and having the money and connections to fund their career
One of the hardest parts is also getting weight distribution right on a female body, there are decades of aerodynamics and weight distribution research that would need to be entirely redone to accommodate the female body.
The only argument I can give here is if you ask the question, “how did Jamie get to the w series in the first place”, and the answer is karting, and karting is a sport dominated by men, or so it seems. Take her fellow w series competitor Abby Pulling, she won 2 junior tkm titles in a row against an extremely competitive field. And also Alice Powell (Jamie’s main title contender), she won an F3 cup in 2013, so it can be done, but obviously the 2 main problems are, money and how many other drivers there are
that's not true - Jamie had £1m two years ago and not one team would take her money. And she came to W via Ginettas- F4 - Asian F3 - her karting was insignificant.
I think racing is one of the sports where men and women can compete on a level playing field without the need to split them up. The problem is with girls getting into racing later in their life or not at all, so they don't have the same level of instincts and skill that come through pure seat time. Not talking about Jamie specifically here but women in general could be competitive but the world view is that racing is a mans/boys thing so they don't have the chance to get in as early. I want more women getting into motorsports, it's always good to have more people racing, I do however think they should get in on merit and not just because they are women
Michelle Mouton. Probably the biggest balls on a woman in racing. She destroyed Watler Rohl in almost equal machinery.
Well not really. They only had 1 real season as teammates and in that season Röhrl finished 1 point in front of her.