These guys never value anything that isn't American. If the f22 does the same maneuvers it's fantastic but if a Russian fighter does it they'll question what the practical use is. Double standard.
@@davidrobert7180 because those 32 countries are inidividual volenteers and arms support, and most volenteers already leave Ukraine after the first two years. they ain't sending their unit in like the middle east.
It's so weird to see this be brought up. I just knew when the image leaked and was being talked about you would see a lot of very low IQ people pretending the guy is "hardcore" just because he flew in a straight line for 4000 km to an airshow. It really just goes to show how your average russkie fanboy is at the mental age of a child.
The video I can find is filled with russian shills just like here. Also it only has audio and it talks about evading one missile but somehow all the shills start talking like there is 2, 3, 4, 5 missiles. The one that got away was the exception. Why aren't you talking about all the times that su-34s got shot down by patriot missiles. They took down 3 of them in one night. So now do we start pretending that su-34s are just cannon fodder for the patriot? The exception doesn't disprove the rule and you need to live in reality and stop being shills.
Couple of notes: 1) The demos at Zhuhai this year were flown by Sergey Bogdan, Sukhoi chief test pilot, aged 62. He's a legend, but age is slowing him down. Slightly. 2) The plane flown is an older T-50 prototype (specifically, T-50-4 [054 Blue]), so there's a lot of stuff that isn't here that is on a production Su-57. Sukhoi brought two prototypes down to show off - T-50-7 (Blue 057) on static display and T-50-4 (Blue 054) for flying. 3) The prototypes have 2.5D (angled 2D, like the newer Flankers) thrust vectoring, but the production models have new full 3D vectoring engines. We know this because they brought a couple of the engines down to show off too. Source: I was literally in Zhuhai Friday traipsing through the airshow. Hell of a time. Very fun. Would recommend.
Edit: rewatched some demos and I was wrong, they hardly seem to move in those too. The nozzles don't seem to move at all compared to other demos of thrust vectoring aircraft. Not doubting that it has it but that was strange.
@@zorkitipafed4626 You are..absolutely correct. Weird I messed this up, considering I have a photo of myself pointing at '057' on static display grinning like an idiot. Corrected, thanks.
its an air show. what do you want them to do? show off their notching skills? so sick of double standard morons in the aviation community. raptor does this exact same thing and people go crazy praising it, but its russian so "wHaT iS tHe PrAcTiCaL pUrPoSe!?!??!." just shut the f up. you are not an 'aviation fan' if you just blindly dog on any aircraft because of its origin sincerely, f16 fan
увернись от ракеты с тепловой головкой самонаведения на F35 или F22. по-хорошему по функционалу они ушли не далеко от F117 - упор на малозаментность делает из, формально, истребителей фактически тактические бомбардировщики и ОЧЕНЬ крепко их привязывает к ВНЕШНЕМУ целеуказанию.
True. Real aviator fans are looking at the plane and not it's origin. Just as well as experienced (US) pilots are pretty much respect the russian pilots and their aircrafts.
Ur right. Only diffrence is that the f22 and the f35 never saw real combat. They only bomb farmers who have no own airforce or AA. but hey for 1 f35 u can buy 3 su57😂
Other video that pilot his age 62 age, and he came without a big team. He made everything himself.And the most surprising thing is that he landed in China and got out of the jet fighter without wearing a G suit, just wearing a tactical jacket,He is an experienced pilot who has flown various aircraft.
he actually hop a couple of airport to get to zhuhai. imagine being the chinese airport ground crew watching a SU57 randomly pull up to the tarmac for refuelling... xD that's actually where some of the close in video are from...
Also this is not a SU-57. But one of the PAK T50 prototypes. This is why you can see the screws in a close up. The SU-57 has improved engines compared to the PAK T50.
These guys would dare not say anything positive regarding an opponents tech, just as they dare not say anything negative regarding their own countries tech. With 71% of the F-35 fleet not being operational with tech issues (should be around 30% as with most other planes) the Russians are certainly impressed. Bring it on!
it turns out that today the su 57 is the only combat fighter that has participated in real battles against high-tech air defense systems and defeated them
@@lockon207 Air defense and aviation are two inseparable airborne combat units, and combat fighters are trained from the day of their birth to somersault in the air, just as bombers and passenger planes are not designed for this.Fighting against air defense systems is an important but not the only function of fighters, including the Su 57
Defeated what? Russia keeps saying they destroyed patriot systems from the 80s to the point that they have somehow destroyed more systems than there are in ukraine and yet ukraine still has systems. ALSO THOSE SYSTEMS ARE FROM THE 80S. You will say any lie, won't you?
For those questioning the focus on maneuverability in fighter jets, think about it like this: it's similar to asking why soldiers need to be fit or athletic if they use automatic weapons in battle. Both questions have the same answer.
@@dabo5078 It's always funny when people don't realize US 5th gen planes can launch missiles without nose authority, even at targets directly behind them, and we also fire at BVR. You don't need to be fast or fit if you're sniping a caveman in an open field 2km out.
Dude, the Soviet R-73 was the first off-boresight missile in the world. It was commissioned into service in 1984. Americans copied this tech from them, but here you are claiming credit. LMAO. Typical yankee doodle behaviour.
@@warfarenotwarfair5655 Because the demo models have special upgraded engines that have a 200h lifespan tops. The serial production engines they can't get the performance done for the new engines without burning through them within a few hundred hours. That's the reason they can't be deployed - for this reason, the serial production is still running old 1970 Soviet Engines.. but then you can't pull off any of the stunts you see in this video.
@ Russia 100% has air superiority in Ukraine. Whatever exists of ukraine’s air force they barely fly if they do it’s likely they’ll be shot down. Russia has not produced a large number of SU-57s yet but they don’t need them in Ukraine.
I am in a cave in Africa with my star link internet and a few Pet lions guarding the cave entrance watching this video with my chilled Heineken in my hands. This SU - 57 pilot amazed everyone around the world, except for a few sceptics. Bravo to the super performance.
Not a single fighter jet is showikg everything at a demo. If u russians really show everything in these demos then that plane is getting killed by a 4th gen. The F-22 ain't even allowed to show everything it can do on a sim
Impractical manoeuvres at airshows are used to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft. They are not necessarily made to demonstrate actual combat manoeuvres.
Though they're building a stealthy fighter for long range fighting and equipping them with long range hypersonic missiles Suitable for modern warfare. They're also adding advanced avionics and information gathering high tech in these jets. They're lethal machines
one must also not forget that the F22 cost about 10 times as much to develop as the S57.... however, the S57 clearly has the better engines and it has the ability to work together with the Okhotnik (S70), which makes it extremely dangerous
Better engines?? The Block 1 F22 was able to do these maneuvers, in the 1990s. The F-22 is going into Block 31 currently. And has been upgraded with its engines several times since then. What are you talking about?? The F22 costs more because it has much more advanced technology, including stealth technology that the SU57 can only DREAM of possessing. You get what you pay for, and when you buy American you WILL get the best.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 best ? Average Russian Tactical bomber SU34 within payload can easily dodging against 3 incoming patriots missile 😅 Your pet Raptor can do it ? Little doubt😂 I don't know man WTF
Guys, the thing you all did not know? Mention? is that when Sergi (the test pilot) stepped out of the plane he had no g suit or anything, just slacks and a decent t shirt and his helmet.. Sergi is 62, and the test pilot for Suhoi.. Also this is the 2nd aircraft built, and is actually a T-50. The production Su-57s are quite different - different engines and stealth baffles over and beneath the engine nozzles. He flew the plane from Moscow with one stop and no support or maintenance crew.
@@gdiwolverinemale4th the second plane was for the presentation of the new engine, and the presentation of the plane itself to potential future buyers. the show was private
@@specc_s1452 Sukhoi definitely does not share its organizational details with me, but I find the idea a prototype of an airplane would fly 10,000 miles to an air show somewhat far-fetched
As a retired Marine Hornet pilot i can definitely say that I love high alpha and great nose authority. The SU-57 maneuvers like a legacy hornet on steroids. I want one!!! 🤫
Do you know how much of a breath of fresh air realistic honest comments like this are. Id bet American tech overall has a number of superiorities in aeronautics, but when the Russians find an area they can excel boy do they triple down. Why do we have such a hard time saying what we know is true when we want it to be different?
Sad that they gave no acknowledgement of the OG pilot. 62 years old and can still fly that beast with authority. Someone said he flies without a G-suit ! If so that’s just another level up !
Forget about those 2 mate, they are just yankee pilot unwilling to A) be informed properly before produce a video, like call it a SU-57 which is wrong, B ) dismissed any manouvers as useless while when it's a F-22 to perform it is super-kawaii. 🤣
As an aviation enthusiast I don't really care for people's saltiness on a Russian airplane over their political bias. Su-57 is a great plane and when you put that in the hands of a great pilot it is destined to produce awesome results. It's an air show and this is what exactly what they are going to showcase. It's true that F-22 is still cool and deadly but that shouldn't prevent us from appreciating something else that's awesome.(sorry Mover, but lighten up a little bit mate 😛) For me when it comes to tech - it doesn't matter where the origin is. There's a reason why people still love Tiger tanks, FW-109s and Japanese Zeros from WW2.
@@user-di5rm9ee1p yeah, I too heard that he wasn't wearing a G suit. He's definitely a pro and this airshow stunts must have been a cakewalk for him. Anyway I'm still glad both Mover and Gonky appreciating a fellow pilot on his capabilities like gentlemen.
nope. Russian aircraft lack sophisticated avionics, as we've seen in Ukraine. the Su-57 was picked up by patriot outside Patriot missile range (not stealth). Maneuverability counts for nothing in BVR fights. Russian aircraft have all proven inept in actual combat and lack advanced capabilities.
@@MlLKMANActually we haven’t seen anything. I haven’t seen evidence that planes were involved. The only videos were clearly missiles and many of them were destroyed in the videos by anti air missiles that they claim to have destroyed.
Where did u see hate? They called it awesome and said the F-22 can do the same thing. Note to fact no fighte rjet goes all out on their limits on air shows. For example the F-22 ain't even allowed to show people everything it can do on a sim.
I remember when Putin talked about the Sarmat, Avangard, Yars and Kinzhal missiles, the British and American and many Western media laughed and said that these were cartoons. And I remember when Putin talked about the newest Su-57 fighter, many Western media also laughed. As the Russians say: he who laughs last laughs best. This Kinzhal is the one that destroyed the Patriot system near Kiev and Kharkov, launched from this very model of aircraft. Great respect to the 62-year-old Russian pilot. Russia, only forward!
Насчёт патриота под киевом))) Я тебе больше скажу патриот по кинжалу отстрелял полный боекомплект ракет(Есть видео), что то в районе 42 ракет и не попал ни одной и был уничтожен!
two Americans cooking in their own nostalgic sauce with a touch of envy! Keep it up guys! Russian war pilots have the most up to date and direct experience in the world right now, if you add to this a good airplane... you know 😉
They'd die by the dozens on day 1 if this conflict spilled over. Had it been the US invading Ukraine they would've established near total air supremacy over the bulk of the country in less than 100 hours. Russia has absolutely failed to accomplish this feat after nearly 3 years. They can only maintain limited superiority over select portions of the front lines. The USAF would utterly destroy the VKS, don't fool yourself into thinkin' otherwise.
@@FraserFir-sb4lk The United States bases its experience against a regular army on the “heroics” of Vietnam. What you write here is based on the Hollywood experience 😅
@@MegaPopilu Boy, the US could field and logistically support a combined quarter of a million men for a decade straight. In 2 separate countries over 6,000 miles from home. Russia can't move half that many men 120 miles into a neighboring country with a shared land border without a severe logistics breakdown in less than a week. We wasted nearly 2.5 times the entirety of Russia's GDP in GWOT and our economy still grew, and we maintained our status as the world's largest economy. Russia would be so bankrupt every little Natasha and Lyudmila would be lettin' anyone stick anything they want up their turd-chutes for a $5 bill and a potato. No, they wouldn't win a conventional war with the US. They'd get stacked like cordwood. Putin has to hide behind the nuclear bitch switch, child.
Being able to get the nose around to target enemies quickly in various ways of course is an advantage, the fact this pilot does not understand that is amazing.
Когда они в небе встречаются с Русскими,то кричат что это опасно,не профессионально,у них проффессиализм летать прямо,так как до такой фантастики полётов им только мечтать
No you don't do risky things because you might screw up and then you have dead people and an international incident for showing off. You are like the people that race in traffic, it doesn't always end poorly and you think you are being cool but the majority of the people on the road think you are an idiot and eventually you make a mistake and cause a bunch of damage and problems.
@@thomgizziz Nadie se luce, cuando te estan haciendo las señales y no hace caso, ahi buscan correrte. Con la escusa de la seguridad hacen lo que quieren y los demas son los locos.
у них профессионализм во все времена- это взлететь, отбомбить мирных и вернуться. А когда встречаются с реальными профессионалами- валят в штаны и визжат как истерички😂
Just a 61 year old armchair pilot here, i can remember when the MiG-29s and Su-27s debuted at airshows here in the UK. Their wing/body blending aesthetic and maneuvers i hadnt seen by any western aircraft were awesome to see though regardless of the practical applications in actual combat.
yes, and they still have that beautiful aesthetic. but in combat they have so far proven inept against western fighters. The Mig29 is all but out of production with few countries still operating them for example.
@@SoloRenegade сколько было реальных боёв су-27 и миг 29 с западными самолётами??? В Югославии когда пара миг 29 полетела на встречу армаде из сотен самолётов? Или в Ираке 10 миг 29 против сотен самолётов западной коалиции ???
@@Stephen-bq4nq When a man is qualified on 50 aircraft types, he DESERVES hero worship, at least in my books. Truly a hero of Russia. FWIW, we here in Asia are not exposed to Western Propaganda, but we do value our long standing friendship with the Russian Federation, at least they don't start wars like the US does on a regular basis.
@AoiKaze-xt6rk well they levelled cities in Syria,attacked, Afghanistan,attacked Chechnya twice,attacked Georgia and they're now in the process of invading Ukraine so you really need to get out of your dreamworld
Bro the F-22 can't do that stop mid air tail down and nose up neither can it do that flat spin and still have control over the direction it goes, SU-57 is awesome
The plane didn't stop, that is called a cobra and it was useful decades ago, now it will just get you killed faster. Flat spin is only doable because of the 3d vectored thrust and that screws with its stealth because of how they designed the plane.
Нет не может🤣. У ф22 подвижных частей 4, у су57 8 частей. Ф22 никогда в жизни не сможет делать то, что делает су57 в воздухе. К тому же, у су57 векторная тяга движется во все направления, когда у ф22 только вертикально. Ни о каком сравнении тут не может быть и речи.
Calm down buddy. They d know everything about it if they where still active duty. Mover & Gonky both retired years ago✌🏽 if you were an airline pilot: Would you get up everyday and study red air? No you wouldnt 😉
@@MH-lh1bfDude almost every DCS player knows this stuff , so real pilots especially if they make such videos should educate themselves . Just use Google , 5 minutes of work .
@@MH-lh1bfnot active duty, but their new gig with YT revolves around their supposed "up to date" knowledge of military aircraft and flight/fight tactics in the air.
Well, actually, this arrogant guy who doesn't see anything special in the capabilities of a plane he knows nothing about is right in that the real power of a modern fighter is not so much in what tricks it can do in the air, but in how it is integrated into the overall combat system, and what weapons it can carry. And he knows nothing about that, so there's no point in listening to him. His opinion means nothing.
Debates without objectivity, allowing an oversized ego to be expressed. The pilot is in demonstration mode, not combat. Your problem is that you believe yourself to be superior, but you are heading towards disillusionment.
The good maneuverability of an aircraft so low to the ground can be very useful during a combat sortie. It has more ability to survive, to quickly change direction when danger is detected, it can better react to sudden threats, it can better dodge missiles. If the US did such a show, they would trumpet it to the whole world as a great achievement, but if Russia did it - "Oh, that doesn't make sense."
don't understand half this commentary because it makes no sense... actually after i had watched this when it popped up in my feed a week ago i had to go look up an F-22 demo(circa 2018) and the ONLY noticeable difference between the planes capabilities was the F-22 had slightly faster climb rate and a little tighter turning. but after reading how old the pilot is and the fact he's not even properly suited up it begs the question that they purposely underperformed the planes full capabilities. also lets not forget that "nothing a Raptor doesn't do" is kind of hilarious i'd say more or less that it's the Raptor that doesn't do anything this plane doesn't do BECAUSE it's based on maneuvers and the SU-27 Flanker which was doing aerial acrobatics well before the F-22 ever came onto the scene... timelines fellas, i realize you might not be old enough or maybe huffing too much oxygen in training has killed a few brain cells but ya'll talk like a lot of the people that have dismissed me predicting much of this Ukraine war to at least an 80% accuracy and nailing some things dead nuts on!
You didn't predict anything, you have a case of confirmation bias. Also your whole nonsense about not wearing the suit is just nonsense. You don't know the pilot and he is their top test pilot for a reason and you don't even know the g's pulled here or that it could actually do any more you are just literally making stuff up trying to pretend the aircraft is more capable... might as well start saying that the F-22 isnt taken to the limit because the US forbids showing its true capabilities and the reason the russian didn't have a suit was because he didn't need one and this is the limit of what a su-57 can do.
@@thomgizziz uh... I worked on private charter airplanes(Gulfstream, Lear, Hawker) for a number of years lol. this is an airshow so they obviously can't push stuff into super sonic because of risk of damage to property from the shockwave. and yes I've predicted outcomes with some pretty uncanny accuracy before. I'm just able to extrapolate information better than most people but it does sounds like you need a tampon, a heating pad and some chocolate though if this upset you that much!
@@davidvaughn7752 yea I saw it was a prototype, usually they're a far cry from the final iteration. the handling will also be different too with a full tank of fuel and weapons onboard so as the event implies "airshow", they're just showing off *some* of the capabilities.
@@cdyjv118 because we'll never sell it to anyone it doesn't NEED to compete on any level(it's an airshow, the public just want "flashy"). they did their demo as instructed but the commentary that downplayed the Su-57's demo as somehow being lesser than the F-22's all around and them not being impressed tells me they've never seen any other Russian jet because the Su-27 Flanker wrote the playbook on military acrobatics anything that came after was standing on the shoulders of giants. the US has a lot more technology and we don't need to execute fancy maneuvers so you'll probably never see anything like that ever used in an air to air situation unless Russia or China catch up with the avionics. the MiG-25 is also still the fastest production military jet anywhere in the world that is getting towards the end of it's service life, it's like the A-10 in age but the A-10 program is being reopened because of this entire Ukraine Russia war and the need for CAS while the MiGs are being retired because they simply did not keep up with producing parts. hell even the F-22 program was almost all but shut down but they've taken another look at reopening that and the potential need for a plane that has seen little to no service. F-22 was an expensive program for something we opted not to sell to anyone ever and barely gets use.
01:24 is this guy for real?! It's an AIRSHOW not a combat scenario! The "practical application" is to show the maneuverability of the aircraft and entertain the public...
Did you miss the part where Gonky said that these maneuvers gave the Russian fighters better nose authority? Did you miss the part where he said that said nose authority would be useful in a fight?
Милые мальчики и девочки! 😊 Российские военные летчики обладают умением станцевать болеро в небе . Я смотрела видео с американской девушкой - военным летчиком. Замечательная красивая блондинка, которую сопровождал к самолёту почетный караул из бравых военных, чеканящих шаг . Более получаса я наблюдала, как симпатичная девушка лет тридцати поправляла обмундирование, обходила , осматривая самолёт , надевала шлем...всякие защелочки, замочки, поправляла очки и микрофон, переговаривалась с командным пунктом...Я ждала увидеть изящество полета, но показали лишь девушку в шлеме с очками расцветки глаз мухи внутри кабины...Было столько восторгов и обьяснений в любви, что я таяла от умиления , 😁 как мороженое под жарким солнцем. Я ждала , ждала и лишь увидела посадку ...забыла , как у нас это называли, когда самолёт несколько раз подпрыгнул...такой своеобразный пук... Но , все это выглядело симпатично, хотя и ...долго... От себя хочу добавить...Не уверена, что такая девушка ,встретившись в небе с российским парнем ...устоит ... Уверена, что не сможет отказаться от приглашения на аргентинское танго...😅 Мне одной показалось, что второй парень , какой ревнивый?
Gonky got smoked by an Su30 during BFM training when that sukohoi pulled a J-turn during a one circle fight, and there's a video of it. So yeah there's a practical use with all those high-alpha fancy maneuvers that people called "not practical"
Pretty sure he was referencing the kvochurs bell specifically having no practical use in combat. It looks cool but its effectiveness in any scenario is dubious at best. I don’t think anyone will argue with high alpha capability being useful in dogfight scenarios.
@@RenesisActual It's not meant for combat, but meant to show off that capability. Cobra and bell could be translated into a useful combat maneuver. J turn for example is a nasty move and from a plane that has the yaw authority as the felon(thanks to its 3d vectoring), it's a deadly AF.
@@barraberson это когда истребитель сопровождения бросил своего подопечного и сбежал? 😁🤣 Да еще и прямо в прицел к вражесскому самолету? Мега крутые пилоты у вас😆🤣😂
This is an air show, the main goal is to show the work of the aircraft in extreme modes. There is no point in discussing the practical application of these or those maneuvers. If you are shown how a sports car accelerates to 300 kilometers per hour, this means that at a speed of 200 you will be able to smoke a cigar and steer. If the car accelerates with difficulty to 200, then at 210 it will simply fall apart, that's all.
"what is the practical application of this maneuver?" it helps sell planes. similar to ads you see plastered around DC meant purely for procurement officers.
@ these specifically at the air show are t-50s. They can label it whatever. That’s for advertising purposes. But those are not the same 57 in production.
Interesting how the comments are mainly related to the appearance and maneuvers of the aircraft. And neither of these two "commentators" guessed that this was actually an engine demonstration (anyone who knows at least a little about such engines will know what I mean). And in the world, apart from Russia, there are only two or three other countries capable of building such an engine. And yes... if it's Russian made, it's - Meeh... But if it was American, it would be - Cuttingedge, wonderful, ground breaking and game changer.
EXACTLY! That's why we want to avoid a war with them. Unlike our F-22, which is cancelled and out of production, the Russians can produce as many Su-57s as they want.
@@markymarknj They literally can't. They don't have the parts to do it and they turn them out really really really slow. Stop pretending you are american, comrade.
@@thomgizziz I'm aware that the Su-57s are, shall we say, trickling off the production line? Even so, at least it's still open. They didn't have a Commie Obama cancel it like he did the F-22. That was one of THE DUMBEST decisions ever made! We should have 1,000 F-22s or 500 F-22s and 500 F-23s.
T-50 for Su-57 is like X-35 for F-35. Also, if it flies like that, it meant all the important stuff is onbaord. Some electronics may be not. I know the radar was installed on the 3rd prototype, this one is 4th. Most probably it most important system on board but not the full suit.
@nooooru they would, wouldn't they, as they didn't bring the real Su 57E to the airshow, but brought a prototype for crowd display but their aim is to tell Su 57E & not this unfinished prototype. So please buy what they claimed at the airshow rather than match the claims with other data available on internet 👍
@@vikrants.choudhary6762 Yes you sell your car by bringing not your car and telling people that it is similar. That sounds like a great idea. How are you this slow?
I hate to say it but that is one ugly jet, from the styling to the paint job. The people that like paint jobs like this tend to be the same people that think flames would look cool painted on the jet. The jet looks fat and squished. I'd take chinese or american jets in the cool department over this.
And don't forget that this is the old engine and a prototype airframe, they are now in production of the new engine with multiple angle thrust vectoring, The new engine has over 20% more of everything so it would be interesting to see what that can do.
2:15 ................... that maneuver has the practical application of rotating the nose very quickly to get a missile lock. In close combat this has a great deal of "practical" application. Also, "guns only" F18 verses SU57 would result in a US military wife becoming a widow.
If you are in a position where you have to rotate like this to get missile lock, the enemy plane has already locked onto you and fired a missile at you which you cant avoid because you are now slow in the air. Its already too late. This maneuver has no value. The only way this works is if youre in a rate fight or a 2 circle fight with another aircraft. And guess what? The Raptor, F35, F-15, and SuperHornet all have insane nose authority as well. THEY CAN DO THIS TOO. Not to mention, you will never get into a dogfight in a modern environment. Combat will ALWAYS be BVR and American stealth ALWAYS wins that
Чувак говорит что в реальном бою эти маневры бессмысленны и это так.Но он забывает что он смотрит демонстрацию маневренности,а как всем известно зачастую, кто быстрей навелся тот и победил.Хотел бы посмотреть мнение американских пилотов,а не любителей.
It's a su-57. YF-22 --> F-22 X-35 --> F-35 T-50 --> Su57 prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will? It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
Mover: - What's the practical application of this manoeuvre? Raptor pilot: - Uhm.. well, I've never tried such figures, but... Mover: - Wait a second, dude, you just said that there's nothing in this video which Raptor doesn't do! Raptor pilot: - Stop with that Putin's propaganda!!!
Mover : Watch this landing! Gonky : Wow, dude, yeah. That was just fun. A couple of dudes enjoying a machine and the skill of the pilot. Just a few minutes of escape from the day to day grind. No politics, no over the top hype. Airshows are awesome. Thanks gents.
Guys, This is actually NOT a Su-57. It’s a late model T-50 Prototype, hence the slightly smokey engines and rough finish of the body (which has gotten alot of coverage) Russia is using it as a demo unit. Obviously the Su-57’s are ‘busy’ elsewhere
It's a su-57. YF-22 --> F-22 X-35 --> F-35 T-50 --> Su57 prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will? It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
Меня поражают всегда эти выскомерные американцы. Если бы были не пристрастны то могли понять что f22 рапире уступает по всем параметрам кроме скорости су57. А f35 это вообще летающий гроб:) ну и добавлю во вьетнамский войне американцы F проиграли небо русским летчикам на Мигах . Так же и в корейской войне . Я вообще не вижу в истории где бы американские самолеты могли что либо противопоставить российским самолетам. Еще с Сирии су27 подлетел незаметно к F22 раптор. Это говорит что самолет поколение 4++ легко обнаруживает Раптора:) 5 поколение:) ау что американские самолеты кроме как пиара ничего в себе особого не несут . Да и F22 давно уже устарел. А лучшего американцы и предложить не могут.
So you are biased... and you are trying to throw shade on somebody because they don't have the same bias as you do and you seem to think that you are flexing here.
СУ-57 это не просто истребитель, он еще и многофункциональный борт управления боем! раздает целеуказания не только ракетам на борту, но и всему подразделению в связке, в том числе и беспилотнику "Охотник".
"В чем практический смысл, в чем практический смысл?" Не надо завидовать так громко, ребята. Практический смысл в том, чтобы показать, что наши самолеты лучшие в мире, а ваши так не могут, вот и всё.
Я читал такое мнение, что при демонстрации таких маневров делается акцент не на саму возможность сделать такой маневр, а показать как работает двигатель при таких режимах.
"what is the pratical application of this maneuver" this is just am empty plane showing how it easy to fligh and control, in combat it will be equiped and already tested in many real battles and is approved 👍👍👍🕺💐📣🎸👏
And still Su-57 has way more enemy jet kills than f-35 and f-22 COMBINED! They got a balloon and maybe a drone. I mean, you must be stressed at what you saw, since you were salty about it even tho it is just uniquely marvellous! 😊
@Mover, of course there is no practical application to the stunt, BUT it shows so much about the plane and it's ability to move on a dime at a high speed chase.
Brutal , only the Russians perform these spectacular maneuvers, I have see the F-22 Raptors perform maneuvers but not like the Russians. The plane they took to the Air Show is not the SU-57 . it is the T-50 Pak Fa , the First Version
The Mover guy was trying hard to pretend like he wasn't impressed, but he couldn't say anything solid to justify why he wasn't impressed. Anyway the fact that they even did a reaction video is proof that Mother Ruso proved to the world that its machine may not be perfect but its awesome.
Amazing that any jet planes can do those moves, like your f22, how these planes fly like this is amazing Its like the plane is doing a dance in the sky What the f22 and this plane can do is amazing, considering they are supposed to be jet planes, and we associate max thrust with such planes F22 and su57 are both amazing planes, i am sure there is more to these planes then they are admitting too Gonky at the end, knows there is more to this plane
Oh my God, they are real Americans. They did not talk anything about the distinctive take-off and the rest of the movements. They were looking for the practical feasibility of each aerobatic movement, forgetting that these movements are to demonstrate the aerodynamic characteristics of the plane. If American planes perform with this quality, why don't you record such videos instead of just talking?
If someone wanted pure CIA propaganda garbage, we'd watch Task & Purpose. I appreciate Gonky at least trying to add honest opinions, while Mover continues the propaganda BS, pretending that Russian pilots are showing off a flat spin means that they are somehow suggesting thats what they would do in combat, and not showing you the insane nose authority like Gonky said. Also, the Su-57 uses 3D thrust vectoring, not 2D like the F-22. The pilot is a 62yo without a modern g-suit and just on that amazing performance Mover suggesting the visibility isn't good because "you sit high" was amazing. That's literally the second most important feature to good visibility, second to only a bubble canopy, which even he himself has brought up in previous videos. The Su-57 uses a modern helmet mounted display, which slaves the gun sight, plane's radar and IR seeker data, allowing the pilot to aim and lock his weapons by simply looking towards the target, which some of Russia's super manueverable missiles allow them to be shot at targets almost directly behind your own aircraft. The Su-57's HMD is a more advanced version of the HMD introduced on and used with both the MiG-29 and Su-27 Acting like the Su-57's weaponry and electronic systems are so far behind the US, specifically the F-22, is beyond misleading. The F-22 was designed in the 1980's, while the Su-57 was designed in the 1990's, 2000's, and continues development to this day such as the engines and integrating new more sophisticated weapons that Russia has produced. No one suggests that the F-22 isn't technologically superior, but to pretend the Su-57 is that far behind is disingenuous. Especially since both Mover and Gonky have experience around modern Russian systems, when training with friendly nations like India and Indonesia, both of which use modern Suhkoi aircraft alongside US made fighters, giving the closest experience a Western pilot can get fighting against Russian jets. Mind you, this is against export models that dont have the most capable systems that Russia keeps for their own models.
I did not say the visibility is bad “Because you sit high” nor did I suggest you’d do a flat spin combat. That was a question FROM VIEWERS from the video I did on my channel. There was no propaganda BS, except maybe your comment.
Yeah... Even experienced traditionally trained pilot like Mover sometimes struggles to grasp the practical applications of supermaneuvrability. Oh well..
@@hippoace He did, or rather he mainly flew the viper but also he did get some time on the hornet when he was on exchange with the US Navy, so he flew both
I think his point was more that it's not super useful in a modern combat space. Even Gonky seemed to indicate that its mostly useful in a gun fight. But in modern times, when you can shoot missiles at planes behind you or shoot at planes well past the horizon, I'm not sure how often you're going to get a chance to use guns. Whoever gets the first good missile shot off is likely going to be the victor. Especially when preventing friendly fire is so much easier with the way modern US fighters communicate with each other and allies (ie don't need physical confirmation before firing, a la Vietnam).
When you're being targeted by a true stealth fighter from BVR or AA missiles like Patriot, it's pretty useless. If you're in a Vietman era dogfight, sure, it's useful.
@@TC2290-wh5cb In fact, it is much more useful in long-range air combat. With increasing altitude, the air loses density and the control surfaces become less efficient. How long will it take for the viper to turn 180 degrees at an altitude of 10km and at a speed of 1M? About 20 seconds. This is the time it takes for a rocket to fly 20-30 km, you just don't have time to get away from the impact. How long will the Su-30/35/57 take? Judging by a recent video from the C-70, 5 seconds for 135 degrees, and 6 for 180. This is a completely different matter, you can launch all the missiles at a distance of 150% of the hit, turn around almost instantly and leave. Due to the Doppler effect and stealth, you will be almost impossible to notice
@@TC2290-wh5cb It's doing pretty well in combat operations. Remember when it had to destroy its own Wingman? That was directly over enemy territory & where was the AD? Cope more.
@@TC2290-wh5cb Su-57 has been operating in Ukrainian airspace for a quite a sometime without ever getting hit by air defenses. They only realized it when the Su-57 shot down it's own malfunctioning wingman.
These guys never value anything that isn't American. If the f22 does the same maneuvers it's fantastic but if a Russian fighter does it they'll question what the practical use is.
Double standard.
Sorry, maybe I haven't looking enough, but I have never seen F22 doing anything similar.
Honestly, I don’t get it. Anything that isn’t American isn’t good enough except the fact that 32 countries still can’t push Russia out of Ukraine
@@davidrobert7180 because those 32 countries are inidividual volenteers and arms support, and most volenteers already leave Ukraine after the first two years. they ain't sending their unit in like the middle east.
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At least f22 is stealthy.
Su 57 is not stealthy. Its designers say as much.
Don't forget the pilot is 60+ yrs veteran, flew 4000 km to the airshow with no G suits or fancy gear, just tshirt and jacket......
Well he was going pretty slow… so I can that.
It's so weird to see this be brought up. I just knew when the image leaked and was being talked about you would see a lot of very low IQ people pretending the guy is "hardcore" just because he flew in a straight line for 4000 km to an airshow.
It really just goes to show how your average russkie fanboy is at the mental age of a child.
@@bobbyraejohnsonа Вам больше 70?
@@bobbyraejohnson take that as a complement, in an airshow
@nooooru
Of course a raptor is better. It has one combat kill against a helium balloon after expending 3 missiles.
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F22 and F35 won’t stand a chance vs. Su-57
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Sergei Bogdan is really Top Gun. No fiction
~ No Doulbt & thats for sure ~
Su-57 already killed an F-16 from around 200 miles.
How many Wars has he fought ?
@@anthonystewart677 5th gen v/s 3rd gen ?
@@kvsandeshful Well, the yanks always bragging about how the F-16 is so capable even compared to more modern aircraft.
- High maneuvers are not so important
- meanwhile Su-34 in real combat against 3 patriot missiles
Jealous?
I read that it was 5 Patriot missiles, Iron Man, Captain America and Daffy Duck.
The video I can find is filled with russian shills just like here. Also it only has audio and it talks about evading one missile but somehow all the shills start talking like there is 2, 3, 4, 5 missiles. The one that got away was the exception. Why aren't you talking about all the times that su-34s got shot down by patriot missiles. They took down 3 of them in one night. So now do we start pretending that su-34s are just cannon fodder for the patriot? The exception doesn't disprove the rule and you need to live in reality and stop being shills.
@@aardqueyeah and uSSranians are winning, sure… 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Cope russian boy
They are holding so hard to say, dude, that plane is awesome 😂
They were respectful of it i think. I expected different
Couple of notes:
1) The demos at Zhuhai this year were flown by Sergey Bogdan, Sukhoi chief test pilot, aged 62. He's a legend, but age is slowing him down. Slightly.
2) The plane flown is an older T-50 prototype (specifically, T-50-4 [054 Blue]), so there's a lot of stuff that isn't here that is on a production Su-57. Sukhoi brought two prototypes down to show off - T-50-7 (Blue 057) on static display and T-50-4 (Blue 054) for flying.
3) The prototypes have 2.5D (angled 2D, like the newer Flankers) thrust vectoring, but the production models have new full 3D vectoring engines. We know this because they brought a couple of the engines down to show off too.
Source: I was literally in Zhuhai Friday traipsing through the airshow. Hell of a time. Very fun. Would recommend.
You confused T-50-7 with T-50-4. They have very straightforward bortnumbers, easily identifiable.
Edit: rewatched some demos and I was wrong, they hardly seem to move in those too.
The nozzles don't seem to move at all compared to other demos of thrust vectoring aircraft. Not doubting that it has it but that was strange.
@@zorkitipafed4626 You are..absolutely correct.
Weird I messed this up, considering I have a photo of myself pointing at '057' on static display grinning like an idiot.
Corrected, thanks.
"Production" they'll be able to afford maybe a dozen of these vs the US 630 F-35s lol
So they were getting 3d vectoring perf from a 2d vectoring power plant.
Yeah, that should be very concerning to the USAF/USMC.
Everyone is so Jealous yet can't help admiring the performance of the plane and professionalism of the pilot!
If I were American I would be laughing very hard right now. they have F-22 remember?
@@MiG-31893 И ГДЕ Ф-22 ? ПОЛЕТАЛ БЫ ПОСЛЕ СУ-57 ? СЛАБО ЕМУ ? СТЫДНО Ф-22 ЛЕТАТЬ КАК СУ-57 ...ПОЗОР
its an air show. what do you want them to do? show off their notching skills? so sick of double standard morons in the aviation community. raptor does this exact same thing and people go crazy praising it, but its russian so "wHaT iS tHe PrAcTiCaL pUrPoSe!?!??!." just shut the f up. you are not an 'aviation fan' if you just blindly dog on any aircraft because of its origin
sincerely,
f16 fan
увернись от ракеты с тепловой головкой самонаведения на F35 или F22. по-хорошему по функционалу они ушли не далеко от F117 - упор на малозаментность делает из, формально, истребителей фактически тактические бомбардировщики и ОЧЕНЬ крепко их привязывает к ВНЕШНЕМУ целеуказанию.
True. Real aviator fans are looking at the plane and not it's origin. Just as well as experienced (US) pilots are pretty much respect the russian pilots and their aircrafts.
Except that the Raptor is incapable of doing the "same exact thing"
Ur right. Only diffrence is that the f22 and the f35 never saw real combat. They only bomb farmers who have no own airforce or AA. but hey for 1 f35 u can buy 3 su57😂
@@ericx8392 Too bad Russia only has 25 of them to sell LMAO. Also both the Raptor and F35 have seen real combat
Other video that pilot his age 62 age, and he came without a big team. He made everything himself.And the most surprising thing is that he landed in China and got out of the jet fighter without wearing a G suit, just wearing a tactical jacket,He is an experienced pilot who has flown various aircraft.
Yeah, the guy have the medal equivalent of medal of honor in russia.
@@dharmdevil He is a hero of Russia - this is the highest military award
The guy is the chief test pilot at Sukhoi company.
he actually hop a couple of airport to get to zhuhai. imagine being the chinese airport ground crew watching a SU57 randomly pull up to the tarmac for refuelling... xD
that's actually where some of the close in video are from...
He's one of the pilots of all time!
The F22 and F35 engines also smoke a lot with a sharp change in RPM. But somehow nobody cares.
Because they are the best of the best of the best, sir yes sir! u s a, u s a! 😂😂😂
Yes. But still 57 is not a boil.😂
At this point I think it's becoming a mental case
Star Spangled Goggles
Also this is not a SU-57. But one of the PAK T50 prototypes. This is why you can see the screws in a close up.
The SU-57 has improved engines compared to the PAK T50.
These guys would dare not say anything positive regarding an opponents tech, just as they dare not say anything negative regarding their own countries tech. With 71% of the F-35 fleet not being operational with tech issues (should be around 30% as with most other planes) the Russians are certainly impressed. Bring it on!
it turns out that today the su 57 is the only combat fighter that has participated in real battles against high-tech air defense systems and defeated them
Пока так получается, что это истребитель для борьбы с ПВО. Только непонятно, зачем ему тогда нужно так кувыркаться. Или как?)
@@lockon207 Air defense and aviation are two inseparable airborne combat units, and combat fighters are trained from the day of their birth to somersault in the air, just as bombers and passenger planes are not designed for this.Fighting against air defense systems is an important but not the only function of fighters, including the Su 57
@@usupovtimur735 А может он сделан только для борьбы с наземными комплексами ПВО?)) Тогда зачем ему акробатика?!))
@@lockon207 "aerial acrobatics" is a feature of all modern fighters and the su-57 is not unique in this sense
Defeated what? Russia keeps saying they destroyed patriot systems from the 80s to the point that they have somehow destroyed more systems than there are in ukraine and yet ukraine still has systems. ALSO THOSE SYSTEMS ARE FROM THE 80S. You will say any lie, won't you?
For those questioning the focus on maneuverability in fighter jets, think about it like this: it's similar to asking why soldiers need to be fit or athletic if they use automatic weapons in battle. Both questions have the same answer.
That is to get places. You aren't ducking into doorways in a jet and the russian jet is slower than the american counterpart. That was a bad analogy.
@@thomgizziz Yes you are when you are trying to out rate a missile or get nose authority on target. Combat is fluid ant not set piece simulations.
@@dabo5078 It's always funny when people don't realize US 5th gen planes can launch missiles without nose authority, even at targets directly behind them, and we also fire at BVR. You don't need to be fast or fit if you're sniping a caveman in an open field 2km out.
This is the best analogy for me! Spot on!
Dude, the Soviet R-73 was the first off-boresight missile in the world. It was commissioned into service in 1984. Americans copied this tech from them, but here you are claiming credit. LMAO. Typical yankee doodle behaviour.
Just accept that this is better than what you have .
It isnt though. It isnt even close
@@ObiWanShinobi917😂😂😂
No matter what the detractors say, the Su-57 is a badass jet.
facts
Why has it not gained air superiority over Ukraine then?
EXACTLY!
@@warfarenotwarfair5655 Because the demo models have special upgraded engines that have a 200h lifespan tops.
The serial production engines they can't get the performance done for the new engines without burning through them within a few hundred hours.
That's the reason they can't be deployed - for this reason, the serial production is still running old 1970 Soviet Engines.. but then you can't pull off any of the stunts you see in this video.
@ Russia 100% has air superiority in Ukraine. Whatever exists of ukraine’s air force they barely fly if they do it’s likely they’ll be shot down. Russia has not produced a large number of SU-57s yet but they don’t need them in Ukraine.
I am in a cave in Africa with my star link internet and a few Pet lions guarding the cave entrance watching this video with my chilled Heineken in my hands. This SU - 57 pilot amazed everyone around the world, except for a few sceptics. Bravo to the super performance.
Are you Wagner?
@@TC2290-wh5cbare you retarded?
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Can confirm, I am Heineken
The SU 57 is an Angel Michael
The world most powerful fighter jet. America can never get anything near to this. Jealousy and envy is all I see. Viva Russia 🇷🇺
Not a single fighter jet is showikg everything at a demo. If u russians really show everything in these demos then that plane is getting killed by a 4th gen. The F-22 ain't even allowed to show everything it can do on a sim
Impractical manoeuvres at airshows are used to demonstrate the capabilities of the aircraft. They are not necessarily made to demonstrate actual combat manoeuvres.
Чем более манерный самолёт , там меньше его заметность на радарах и вы это должны знать .
It has 5 radars front,sides, wings, back.
@@ivanlesovik4431 че за бред ты несёшь? 😂
Tell it cpt. America aka Salty Moover 😂 seems he's intellectual capabilitys aren't that good to understand this fact
@@ivanlesovik4431I'd like to point out that those maneuvers would light it up on radar more.
The best plane, best pilot. Envy in silence 😂
if its the best plane ,which obviously its not
!Why are they afraid to use it. Its because the world will see its crap like all Russian weapons
Best plane? Horrible stealth lmao
The fact is, the Su-34 avoided 3 Patriot missiles, which shows that maneuverability is essential in combat.
MOVER: "What is the practical application of this part?"
GRONKY: "It's awesome."
Dogging missiles,getting an upper hand in a dog fight and escape from danger zone.
Though they're building a stealthy fighter for long range fighting and equipping them with long range hypersonic missiles Suitable for modern warfare. They're also adding advanced avionics and information gathering high tech in these jets. They're lethal machines
lol imagine asking the practicality of a maneuvers at air show
Imagine people getting so butt hurt like you.
@@bobbyraejohnsonwhat nonsense are you even saying nobody is butthurt🤣😂
@@bobbyraejohnsonfool
@@bobbyraejohnsonimagine being stupid as moover😂
@@bobbyraejohnson My butt is hurt and I’m American.
one must also not forget that the F22 cost about 10 times as much to develop as the S57.... however, the S57 clearly has the better engines and it has the ability to work together with the Okhotnik (S70), which makes it extremely dangerous
Better engines?? The Block 1 F22 was able to do these maneuvers, in the 1990s. The F-22 is going into Block 31 currently. And has been upgraded with its engines several times since then. What are you talking about??
The F22 costs more because it has much more advanced technology, including stealth technology that the SU57 can only DREAM of possessing. You get what you pay for, and when you buy American you WILL get the best.
@@ObiWanShinobi917 best ? Average Russian Tactical bomber SU34 within payload can easily dodging against 3 incoming patriots missile 😅 Your pet Raptor can do it ? Little doubt😂 I don't know man WTF
@@ObiWanShinobi917
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@@ObiWanShinobi917
Ваши дорогие танки Абрамс отлично горят от дешёвых российских "Ланцетов"
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@@ObiWanShinobi917Still engine have 2D thrust vectoring, su57 production model have gen 2 engine, The engine also showcased in China,
Guys, the thing you all did not know? Mention? is that when Sergi (the test pilot) stepped out of the plane he had no g suit or anything, just slacks and a decent t shirt and his helmet.. Sergi is 62, and the test pilot for Suhoi.. Also this is the 2nd aircraft built, and is actually a T-50. The production Su-57s are quite different - different engines and stealth baffles over and beneath the engine nozzles. He flew the plane from Moscow with one stop and no support or maintenance crew.
There were photos of T-50 being pulled out of a transport. So no, he did not fly all the way.
slow speed demo doesn't have much Gs pulled
@@gdiwolverinemale4th there are 2 T-50s. One was flown and the other one was transported
@@gdiwolverinemale4th the second plane was for the presentation of the new engine, and the presentation of the plane itself to potential future buyers. the show was private
@@specc_s1452 Sukhoi definitely does not share its organizational details with me, but I find the idea a prototype of an airplane would fly 10,000 miles to an air show somewhat far-fetched
As a retired Marine Hornet pilot i can definitely say that I love high alpha and great nose authority.
The SU-57 maneuvers like a legacy hornet on steroids.
I want one!!! 🤫
@@OMG1961 👍👏
Do you know how much of a breath of fresh air realistic honest comments like this are. Id bet American tech overall has a number of superiorities in aeronautics, but when the Russians find an area they can excel boy do they triple down. Why do we have such a hard time saying what we know is true when we want it to be different?
Nemá hák!
Christmas is coming
@@llANNIHILATORllok can this jet outturn a IRST, AIM-9X, AIM-120D, Patriot or MICA?
Sad that they gave no acknowledgement of the OG pilot. 62 years old and can still fly that beast with authority. Someone said he flies without a G-suit ! If so that’s just another level up !
Вот и вся разница. Русские ветераны летают как боги, а кто то видосы пилит и слюной давиться, "мы раптер..."
Forget about those 2 mate, they are just yankee pilot unwilling to A) be informed properly before produce a video, like call it a SU-57 which is wrong, B ) dismissed any manouvers as useless while when it's a F-22 to perform it is super-kawaii. 🤣
у англичан это в кровИ.
F-35 aka pregnant sparrow😂
ТОЧНО..
It's a pregnant sparrow that can pull 9G so it's doing alright
Fat Amy
Good One!!!
@@Ruslan_Ivanov2023 She's called "Fat Amy" for a reason, lol.
2:22 sir, can you tell/point the practicality of all things F22s demo in air shows?
As an aviation enthusiast I don't really care for people's saltiness on a Russian airplane over their political bias. Su-57 is a great plane and when you put that in the hands of a great pilot it is destined to produce awesome results. It's an air show and this is what exactly what they are going to showcase. It's true that F-22 is still cool and deadly but that shouldn't prevent us from appreciating something else that's awesome.(sorry Mover, but lighten up a little bit mate 😛) For me when it comes to tech - it doesn't matter where the origin is. There's a reason why people still love Tiger tanks, FW-109s and Japanese Zeros from WW2.
It is not only about planes, Sergey Bogdan is one of the best pilots in the world. He was probably not even wearing g suit for this flight.
@@user-di5rm9ee1p yeah, I too heard that he wasn't wearing a G suit. He's definitely a pro and this airshow stunts must have been a cakewalk for him. Anyway I'm still glad both Mover and Gonky appreciating a fellow pilot on his capabilities like gentlemen.
From engineering perspective, that airframe is a work of art. Absolute domination over physics.
nope. Russian aircraft lack sophisticated avionics, as we've seen in Ukraine. the Su-57 was picked up by patriot outside Patriot missile range (not stealth). Maneuverability counts for nothing in BVR fights. Russian aircraft have all proven inept in actual combat and lack advanced capabilities.
What's the F22 deadly against exactly? Hot air balloons are about all its actually gone up against... 😂
F22 scraptor flying like that, only if Tom Cruise is a pilot. 😂
Ooo man, the Hollywood really fck you up.
@@VKRenato lol iran just found out how good modern russian technology is 😆
Damn scraptor 🫵🤣👍
@@MlLKMAN you mean all those missiles from Israhell they shot down?
@@MlLKMANActually we haven’t seen anything. I haven’t seen evidence that planes were involved. The only videos were clearly missiles and many of them were destroyed in the videos by anti air missiles that they claim to have destroyed.
@davemccrillis1470 the iranians haven't seen anything either 😆 😂
Mover. My dude. Why the constant hate?? We're allowed to give praise where it's due.
What hate?
@@themoverandgonkyshow dumb ass American hating on anything which is not made in America.
@@themoverandgonkyshow are you delusional or what?
Where did u see hate? They called it awesome and said the F-22 can do the same thing. Note to fact no fighte rjet goes all out on their limits on air shows. For example the F-22 ain't even allowed to show people everything it can do on a sim.
I remember when Putin talked about the Sarmat, Avangard, Yars and Kinzhal missiles, the British and American and many Western media laughed and said that these were cartoons. And I remember when Putin talked about the newest Su-57 fighter, many Western media also laughed. As the Russians say: he who laughs last laughs best. This Kinzhal is the one that destroyed the Patriot system near Kiev and Kharkov, launched from this very model of aircraft. Great respect to the 62-year-old Russian pilot. Russia, only forward!
Насчёт патриота под киевом))) Я тебе больше скажу патриот по кинжалу отстрелял полный боекомплект ракет(Есть видео), что то в районе 42 ракет и не попал ни одной и был уничтожен!
@@TheMiddleVolgaвидео в студию)
@@TheMiddleVolgaWet dreams
@@TheMiddleVolgamaybe there's a mistranslation here, 42 missiles from a single patriot?
@@nstvm82 Сны говоришь???? Ну тогда спи спокойно!)))))
two Americans cooking in their own nostalgic sauce with a touch of envy! Keep it up guys!
Russian war pilots have the most up to date and direct experience in the world right now, if you add to this a good airplane... you know 😉
They'd die by the dozens on day 1 if this conflict spilled over. Had it been the US invading Ukraine they would've established near total air supremacy over the bulk of the country in less than 100 hours. Russia has absolutely failed to accomplish this feat after nearly 3 years. They can only maintain limited superiority over select portions of the front lines. The USAF would utterly destroy the VKS, don't fool yourself into thinkin' otherwise.
@@FraserFir-sb4lk The United States bases its experience against a regular army on the “heroics” of Vietnam. What you write here is based on the Hollywood experience 😅
@@MegaPopilu Boy, the US could field and logistically support a combined quarter of a million men for a decade straight. In 2 separate countries over 6,000 miles from home. Russia can't move half that many men 120 miles into a neighboring country with a shared land border without a severe logistics breakdown in less than a week. We wasted nearly 2.5 times the entirety of Russia's GDP in GWOT and our economy still grew, and we maintained our status as the world's largest economy. Russia would be so bankrupt every little Natasha and Lyudmila would be lettin' anyone stick anything they want up their turd-chutes for a $5 bill and a potato.
No, they wouldn't win a conventional war with the US. They'd get stacked like cordwood. Putin has to hide behind the nuclear bitch switch, child.
During Red flag the US Always put themselves in the worst situation so i don't agree@@MegaPopilu
So where is russia's T-14s and the SU-57?
Being able to get the nose around to target enemies quickly in various ways of course is an advantage, the fact this pilot does not understand
that is amazing.
ohh.. he knows it and clearly understands it... he just can't openly admit it here..
Когда они в небе встречаются с Русскими,то кричат что это опасно,не профессионально,у них проффессиализм летать прямо,так как до такой фантастики полётов им только мечтать
No you don't do risky things because you might screw up and then you have dead people and an international incident for showing off. You are like the people that race in traffic, it doesn't always end poorly and you think you are being cool but the majority of the people on the road think you are an idiot and eventually you make a mistake and cause a bunch of damage and problems.
@@thomgizziz Nadie se luce, cuando te estan haciendo las señales y no hace caso, ahi buscan correrte. Con la escusa de la seguridad hacen lo que quieren y los demas son los locos.
у них профессионализм во все времена- это взлететь, отбомбить мирных и вернуться. А когда встречаются с реальными профессионалами- валят в штаны и визжат как истерички😂
Just a 61 year old armchair pilot here, i can remember when the MiG-29s and Su-27s debuted at airshows here in the UK. Their wing/body blending aesthetic and maneuvers i hadnt seen by any western aircraft were awesome to see though regardless of the practical applications in actual combat.
yes, and they still have that beautiful aesthetic. but in combat they have so far proven inept against western fighters. The Mig29 is all but out of production with few countries still operating them for example.
The pilot flying this jet is 63 years old, so yeah.
If only we saw them at Airshows in the UK today..
I would love to see the Russian aircraft in person.
Mover is so salty 🧂🧂🧂😂😂😂
@@SoloRenegade сколько было реальных боёв су-27 и миг 29 с западными самолётами??? В Югославии когда пара миг 29 полетела на встречу армаде из сотен самолётов? Или в Ираке 10 миг 29 против сотен самолётов западной коалиции ???
Beyond the plane, Mr Sergey Bogdan is a legend. No American pilot would survive taking him on when he was in his prime serving in the RFAF
Stop with the hero worship
@@Stephen-bq4nq When a man is qualified on 50 aircraft types, he DESERVES hero worship, at least in my books. Truly a hero of Russia. FWIW, we here in Asia are not exposed to Western Propaganda, but we do value our long standing friendship with the Russian Federation, at least they don't start wars like the US does on a regular basis.
@AoiKaze-xt6rk well they levelled cities in Syria,attacked, Afghanistan,attacked Chechnya twice,attacked Georgia and they're now in the process of invading Ukraine so you really need to get out of your dreamworld
Maverick would have kicked his ass! /sarc
@@keithgibbons5765 Yes. American pilots can only kick Russian pilots in the ass in Holiwood movies. LOL
Bro the F-22 can't do that stop mid air tail down and nose up neither can it do that flat spin and still have control over the direction it goes, SU-57 is awesome
The plane didn't stop, that is called a cobra and it was useful decades ago, now it will just get you killed faster. Flat spin is only doable because of the 3d vectored thrust and that screws with its stealth because of how they designed the plane.
You're Incorrect, 22 can do everything he was doing.😐
В ГОЛЛИВУДЕ МОЖЕТ ....🤣🤣🤣🤣
The F22 can and has done literally everything this SU57 is doing
Нет не может🤣. У ф22 подвижных частей 4, у су57 8 частей. Ф22 никогда в жизни не сможет делать то, что делает су57 в воздухе. К тому же, у су57 векторная тяга движется во все направления, когда у ф22 только вертикально. Ни о каком сравнении тут не может быть и речи.
How can military aviators not know that the Su57 has 3D thrust vectoring? Shocking
Calm down buddy. They d know everything about it if they where still active duty. Mover & Gonky both retired years ago✌🏽 if you were an airline pilot: Would you get up everyday and study red air? No you wouldnt 😉
@@MH-lh1bfDude almost every DCS player knows this stuff , so real pilots especially if they make such videos should educate themselves . Just use Google , 5 minutes of work .
@@MH-lh1bfnot active duty, but their new gig with YT revolves around their supposed "up to date" knowledge of military aircraft and flight/fight tactics in the air.
this isn't a production Su57, it is using a flanker engine...
In denial
The Su 57 is so beautiful. Amazing fighter 😎
Well, actually, this arrogant guy who doesn't see anything special in the capabilities of a plane he knows nothing about is right in that the real power of a modern fighter is not so much in what tricks it can do in the air, but in how it is integrated into the overall combat system, and what weapons it can carry. And he knows nothing about that, so there's no point in listening to him. His opinion means nothing.
Во Вьетнаме было доказано то что иметь ракеты без пушек опрометчиво😅
Debates without objectivity, allowing an oversized ego to be expressed. The pilot is in demonstration mode, not combat. Your problem is that you believe yourself to be superior, but you are heading towards disillusionment.
The amount of COPE Mover is putting out is just hilarious 😂. Don’t hate congratulate.
Superb handling of the Su-57 Felon with pilot Sergey Bogdan at the controls! Just look at the short take off and crazy turn and landing!
These guys are jealous.😂
The good maneuverability of an aircraft so low to the ground can be very useful during a combat sortie. It has more ability to survive, to quickly change direction when danger is detected, it can better react to sudden threats, it can better dodge missiles. If the US did such a show, they would trumpet it to the whole world as a great achievement, but if Russia did it - "Oh, that doesn't make sense."
don't understand half this commentary because it makes no sense... actually after i had watched this when it popped up in my feed a week ago i had to go look up an F-22 demo(circa 2018) and the ONLY noticeable difference between the planes capabilities was the F-22 had slightly faster climb rate and a little tighter turning. but after reading how old the pilot is and the fact he's not even properly suited up it begs the question that they purposely underperformed the planes full capabilities. also lets not forget that "nothing a Raptor doesn't do" is kind of hilarious i'd say more or less that it's the Raptor that doesn't do anything this plane doesn't do BECAUSE it's based on maneuvers and the SU-27 Flanker which was doing aerial acrobatics well before the F-22 ever came onto the scene... timelines fellas, i realize you might not be old enough or maybe huffing too much oxygen in training has killed a few brain cells but ya'll talk like a lot of the people that have dismissed me predicting much of this Ukraine war to at least an 80% accuracy and nailing some things dead nuts on!
You didn't predict anything, you have a case of confirmation bias. Also your whole nonsense about not wearing the suit is just nonsense. You don't know the pilot and he is their top test pilot for a reason and you don't even know the g's pulled here or that it could actually do any more you are just literally making stuff up trying to pretend the aircraft is more capable... might as well start saying that the F-22 isnt taken to the limit because the US forbids showing its true capabilities and the reason the russian didn't have a suit was because he didn't need one and this is the limit of what a su-57 can do.
@@thomgizziz uh... I worked on private charter airplanes(Gulfstream, Lear, Hawker) for a number of years lol. this is an airshow so they obviously can't push stuff into super sonic because of risk of damage to property from the shockwave. and yes I've predicted outcomes with some pretty uncanny accuracy before. I'm just able to extrapolate information better than most people but it does sounds like you need a tampon, a heating pad and some chocolate though if this upset you that much!
@@davidvaughn7752 yea I saw it was a prototype, usually they're a far cry from the final iteration. the handling will also be different too with a full tank of fuel and weapons onboard so as the event implies "airshow", they're just showing off *some* of the capabilities.
And you think the Raptor Demo (for how awesome it is) is really showing off that jets full capes?
@@cdyjv118 because we'll never sell it to anyone it doesn't NEED to compete on any level(it's an airshow, the public just want "flashy"). they did their demo as instructed but the commentary that downplayed the Su-57's demo as somehow being lesser than the F-22's all around and them not being impressed tells me they've never seen any other Russian jet because the Su-27 Flanker wrote the playbook on military acrobatics anything that came after was standing on the shoulders of giants. the US has a lot more technology and we don't need to execute fancy maneuvers so you'll probably never see anything like that ever used in an air to air situation unless Russia or China catch up with the avionics. the MiG-25 is also still the fastest production military jet anywhere in the world that is getting towards the end of it's service life, it's like the A-10 in age but the A-10 program is being reopened because of this entire Ukraine Russia war and the need for CAS while the MiGs are being retired because they simply did not keep up with producing parts. hell even the F-22 program was almost all but shut down but they've taken another look at reopening that and the potential need for a plane that has seen little to no service. F-22 was an expensive program for something we opted not to sell to anyone ever and barely gets use.
01:24 is this guy for real?! It's an AIRSHOW not a combat scenario! The "practical application" is to show the maneuverability of the aircraft and entertain the public...
Are you for real?.. pay attention to what they actually said.
Did you miss the part where Gonky said that these maneuvers gave the Russian fighters better nose authority? Did you miss the part where he said that said nose authority would be useful in a fight?
@@markymarknj I'm talking about what the other guy said hence the video timestamp at the beginning of my comment...
@@necsoiub okay.
@@necsoiub You aren't being clear about what your meaning is over both your comments.
Милые мальчики и девочки! 😊 Российские военные летчики обладают умением станцевать болеро в небе . Я смотрела видео с американской девушкой - военным летчиком. Замечательная красивая блондинка, которую сопровождал к самолёту почетный караул из бравых военных, чеканящих шаг . Более получаса я наблюдала, как симпатичная девушка лет тридцати поправляла обмундирование, обходила , осматривая самолёт , надевала шлем...всякие защелочки, замочки, поправляла очки и микрофон, переговаривалась с командным пунктом...Я ждала увидеть изящество полета, но показали лишь девушку в шлеме с очками расцветки глаз мухи внутри кабины...Было столько восторгов и обьяснений в любви, что я таяла от умиления , 😁 как мороженое под жарким солнцем. Я ждала , ждала и лишь увидела посадку ...забыла , как у нас это называли, когда самолёт несколько раз подпрыгнул...такой своеобразный пук... Но , все это выглядело симпатично, хотя и ...долго... От себя хочу добавить...Не уверена, что такая девушка ,встретившись в небе с российским парнем ...устоит ... Уверена, что не сможет отказаться от приглашения на аргентинское танго...😅 Мне одной показалось, что второй парень , какой ревнивый?
Brilliant 👌
Liverpool UK
@anthonydempsey7693 Oh... thanks , Anthony , for your so nice words 😁 to me 🙏
Gonky got smoked by an Su30 during BFM training when that sukohoi pulled a J-turn during a one circle fight, and there's a video of it. So yeah there's a practical use with all those high-alpha fancy maneuvers that people called "not practical"
Pretty sure he was referencing the kvochurs bell specifically having no practical use in combat. It looks cool but its effectiveness in any scenario is dubious at best. I don’t think anyone will argue with high alpha capability being useful in dogfight scenarios.
@@RenesisActual It's not meant for combat, but meant to show off that capability. Cobra and bell could be translated into a useful combat maneuver. J turn for example is a nasty move and from a plane that has the yaw authority as the felon(thanks to its 3d vectoring), it's a deadly AF.
@@dharmdevil which is WHY we don't want to fight the Russians! Their fighters, being objectively superior to ours, are deadly AF.
Smoked? He bested that pilot 3 out 3 😂. Clearly you didn't watch it. Another absurd Canadian.
@@dharmdevilYet Gonky easily beat the SU-30 pilot 3 out of 3 in a Super Hornet.
6:53 вашим пилотам очень помогает обзор в ф-16. да так что к нему истребитель незаметно подлетает и пилот роняет кал.
причем подлетает не какой нить стелс а обычная сушка )))
Yes, recent intercept 😂
@@barraberson это когда истребитель сопровождения бросил своего подопечного и сбежал? 😁🤣 Да еще и прямо в прицел к вражесскому самолету? Мега крутые пилоты у вас😆🤣😂
@@TheSinsirUAYou confused me with muricans 😂
@@barraberson its not for you answer, just in this trend
Normally, people are excited, these two guys sounded so sour, have you eat a lemon for breakfast? Lunch? And dinner?
😂
F22 smoke as well.
This Russia jet is only made possible with stolen micro chips from washing machine
Yeah, from a washing machine that is made from Russia, lol!
😂😂😂
And 'spades', LOL.
This is an air show, the main goal is to show the work of the aircraft in extreme modes. There is no point in discussing the practical application of these or those maneuvers. If you are shown how a sports car accelerates to 300 kilometers per hour, this means that at a speed of 200 you will be able to smoke a cigar and steer. If the car accelerates with difficulty to 200, then at 210 it will simply fall apart, that's all.
"what is the practical application of this maneuver?"
it helps sell planes. similar to ads you see plastered around DC meant purely for procurement officers.
That is not the su-57. It is the Pak - T 50 prototype.
💯Да👋😼
it is what the russians call it, and they call it SU-57E, on their poster, right in front of the airplane, at Zhuhai airport.
@ these specifically at the air show are t-50s. They can label it whatever. That’s for advertising purposes. But those are not the same 57 in production.
@@sabprogroup8623 yeah, they should hire you for proper naming services
Да и ещё на старых турбинах прошлого поколения
The guy on top trying to act chill while he's clearly shocked by what he's seeing. Lol
Nah. Just the Nth time to watch it. Not everyone gushes like a 12 year old girl. That’s reserved for Airwolf.
repeat after me: THAT'S FU*** AWESOME MANEUVERS DUDE.
Interesting how the comments are mainly related to the appearance and maneuvers of the aircraft. And neither of these two "commentators" guessed that this was actually an engine demonstration (anyone who knows at least a little about such engines will know what I mean). And in the world, apart from Russia, there are only two or three other countries capable of building such an engine. And yes... if it's Russian made, it's - Meeh... But if it was American, it would be - Cuttingedge, wonderful, ground breaking and game changer.
SU-57 is bad ass !! Superior to F-35 for 1/3 the cost
so for 1 f-35 you get 3 russian f22s
EXACTLY! That's why we want to avoid a war with them. Unlike our F-22, which is cancelled and out of production, the Russians can produce as many Su-57s as they want.
@@markymarknj They literally can't. They don't have the parts to do it and they turn them out really really really slow. Stop pretending you are american, comrade.
@@thomgizziz we shouldn't be underestimating the Russians. After all, we haven't won a war since WWII. I'm just sayin'.
@@thomgizziz I'm aware that the Su-57s are, shall we say, trickling off the production line? Even so, at least it's still open. They didn't have a Commie Obama cancel it like he did the F-22. That was one of THE DUMBEST decisions ever made! We should have 1,000 F-22s or 500 F-22s and 500 F-23s.
This thing the T 50 a prototype of the su 57 so it’s kinda a stripped down version without any of the important stuff
Т-50 это первое имя этого изделия, позже он получил официальное название су-57.
@@Parim_pravilno Ты не понял. Это прототип.
Which was disassemble and assembled back probably 20 times.
@RustedCroaker yup
T-50 for Su-57 is like X-35 for F-35. Also, if it flies like that, it meant all the important stuff is onbaord. Some electronics may be not. I know the radar was installed on the 3rd prototype, this one is 4th. Most probably it most important system on board but not the full suit.
Su 57 fly like a dream jet , for any pilot.
1st of all it's not Su 57, it's PAK FA prototype
1st of all, it is what the russians call it, and they call it SU-57E, on their poster, right in front of the airplane, at Zhuhai airport.
@nooooru they would, wouldn't they, as they didn't bring the real Su 57E to the airshow, but brought a prototype for crowd display but their aim is to tell Su 57E & not this unfinished prototype. So please buy what they claimed at the airshow rather than match the claims with other data available on internet 👍
@@vikrants.choudhary6762 oh yeah, what a bunch of dishonest russians. they really should hire some guy on internet for better naming.
@@vikrants.choudhary6762 Yes you sell your car by bringing not your car and telling people that it is similar. That sounds like a great idea. How are you this slow?
@thomgizziz especially when am doing it in a backyard of somebody who stole the design if my previous car
I hate to say it but that's one cool jet, from the paint job to it's acrobatic abilities.
I hate to say it but that is one ugly jet, from the styling to the paint job. The people that like paint jobs like this tend to be the same people that think flames would look cool painted on the jet. The jet looks fat and squished. I'd take chinese or american jets in the cool department over this.
And don't forget that this is the old engine and a prototype airframe, they are now in production of the new engine with multiple angle thrust vectoring,
The new engine has over 20% more of everything so it would be interesting to see what that can do.
Truth is that F22+F35 is SU 57
Neither of those American planes have exposed rivets lol
@@Ozchuckprototype model, irrelevant
How many su57s are in service? How many hours do russian pilots fly in a year? 😅
How is the replacement parts supply and maintenance situation in russia? 😅
@Ozchuck that is T50 prototype...look pics of SU 57...you have eyes
2:15 ................... that maneuver has the practical application of rotating the nose very quickly to get a missile lock. In close combat this has a great deal of "practical" application. Also, "guns only" F18 verses SU57 would result in a US military wife becoming a widow.
If you are in a position where you have to rotate like this to get missile lock, the enemy plane has already locked onto you and fired a missile at you which you cant avoid because you are now slow in the air. Its already too late. This maneuver has no value.
The only way this works is if youre in a rate fight or a 2 circle fight with another aircraft. And guess what? The Raptor, F35, F-15, and SuperHornet all have insane nose authority as well. THEY CAN DO THIS TOO.
Not to mention, you will never get into a dogfight in a modern environment. Combat will ALWAYS be BVR and American stealth ALWAYS wins that
Чувак говорит что в реальном бою эти маневры бессмысленны и это так.Но он забывает что он смотрит демонстрацию маневренности,а как всем известно зачастую, кто быстрей навелся тот и победил.Хотел бы посмотреть мнение американских пилотов,а не любителей.
То есть, наш Су-34 "бесполезно" маневрировал от трёх (!) ракет "Патриота" и вернулся на аэродром?
@@Pavel_Nevolin это случайно не в той ситуации когда самолеты прикрытия просто сбежали бросив бомбардировщик, который и сбил Патриот?
@@TheSinsirUA Самолёты прикрытия? От ракет ПВО?
УА, забыл принять таблетки?.. ;)
@@Pavel_Nevolin кто? ваш дед полоумный?
@@TheSinsirUA Мои оба деда уже давно покойные.
А полоумный здесь, очевидно, лишь ты. ;)
Not an Su-57 or Su-57M with new engines, but 4th protoype as T-50. But good to hear a statement without prejudice.
It's a su-57.
YF-22 --> F-22
X-35 --> F-35
T-50 --> Su57
prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will?
It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
6:00 The Su57 hold still for 20s, big silence and they talk about paintjob.. Yeah, they are very insecure.
Mover:
- What's the practical application of this manoeuvre?
Raptor pilot:
- Uhm.. well, I've never tried such figures, but...
Mover:
- Wait a second, dude, you just said that there's nothing in this video which Raptor doesn't do!
Raptor pilot:
- Stop with that Putin's propaganda!!!
Mover : Watch this landing!
Gonky : Wow, dude, yeah.
That was just fun. A couple of dudes enjoying a machine and the skill of the pilot. Just a few minutes of escape from the day to day grind. No politics, no over the top hype. Airshows are awesome. Thanks gents.
Excellent early warning radar and long range missiles
First time watching the SU57 in action and all they can talk about is the raptor
Guys, This is actually NOT a Su-57. It’s a late model T-50 Prototype, hence the slightly smokey engines and rough finish of the body (which has gotten alot of coverage) Russia is using it as a demo unit. Obviously the Su-57’s are ‘busy’ elsewhere
It's a su-57.
YF-22 --> F-22
X-35 --> F-35
T-50 --> Su57
prototypes are supposed to be well made, hand crafted, high quality representations of their production counterparts. if the prototype isn't stealth, how can you know teh production model is? If you didn't test RAM and such on teh prototype, then how can you know the production model will?
It's just a cope from Russia worshippers.
aka an early su57, imagine the production sukhois
This is not a prototype, this is a decoy of a 5th generation fighter
@@cyberdemon6517 the production sukhois are in rough shape, many have been shot down.
@ yeah ok… let’s wait for ‘fat Aimee’ to do the same routine hey? 😉
Меня поражают всегда эти выскомерные американцы. Если бы были не пристрастны то могли понять что f22 рапире уступает по всем параметрам кроме скорости су57. А f35 это вообще летающий гроб:) ну и добавлю во вьетнамский войне американцы F проиграли небо русским летчикам на Мигах . Так же и в корейской войне . Я вообще не вижу в истории где бы американские самолеты могли что либо противопоставить российским самолетам. Еще с Сирии су27 подлетел незаметно к F22 раптор. Это говорит что самолет поколение 4++ легко обнаруживает Раптора:) 5 поколение:) ау что американские самолеты кроме как пиара ничего в себе особого не несут . Да и F22 давно уже устарел. А лучшего американцы и предложить не могут.
You claim the F35 is a flying coffin based on what?
The best aircraft ever
The SU-57 is one of my favorite aircraft, as are all Russian fighters. It looks like Mover is not interested in Russian military hardware.
So you are biased... and you are trying to throw shade on somebody because they don't have the same bias as you do and you seem to think that you are flexing here.
Это авиашоу. Боевые маневры американские пилоты увидят в реальном бою с этим самолетом )
СУ-57 это не просто истребитель, он еще и многофункциональный борт управления боем! раздает целеуказания не только ракетам на борту, но и всему подразделению в связке, в том числе и беспилотнику "Охотник".
Они наверное не знают, что рабочее название Т-50 ПАК ФА))) ( перспективный авиационный комплекс фронтовой авиации)
"В чем практический смысл, в чем практический смысл?" Не надо завидовать так громко, ребята. Практический смысл в том, чтобы показать, что наши самолеты лучшие в мире, а ваши так не могут, вот и всё.
Я читал такое мнение, что при демонстрации таких маневров делается акцент не на саму возможность сделать такой маневр, а показать как работает двигатель при таких режимах.
"what is the pratical application of this maneuver" this is just am empty plane showing how it easy to fligh and control, in combat it will be equiped and already tested in many real battles and is approved 👍👍👍🕺💐📣🎸👏
Objective
Nice to appreciate good airmanship
And still Su-57 has way more enemy jet kills than f-35 and f-22 COMBINED! They got a balloon and maybe a drone. I mean, you must be stressed at what you saw, since you were salty about it even tho it is just uniquely marvellous! 😊
That's why it is called SU-57, F-35 + F22
What type of jets has it shot down?
@ Mig-29, su-24, su-27
@Mover, of course there is no practical application to the stunt, BUT it shows so much about the plane and it's ability to move on a dime at a high speed chase.
Brutal , only the Russians perform these spectacular maneuvers, I have see the F-22 Raptors perform maneuvers but not like the Russians. The plane they took to the Air Show is not the SU-57 . it is the T-50 Pak Fa , the First Version
The Mover guy was trying hard to pretend like he wasn't impressed, but he couldn't say anything solid to justify why he wasn't impressed. Anyway the fact that they even did a reaction video is proof that Mother Ruso proved to the world that its machine may not be perfect but its awesome.
Amazing that any jet planes can do those moves, like your f22, how these planes fly like this is amazing
Its like the plane is doing a dance in the sky
What the f22 and this plane can do is amazing, considering they are supposed to be jet planes, and we associate max thrust with such planes
F22 and su57 are both amazing planes, i am sure there is more to these planes then they are admitting too
Gonky at the end, knows there is more to this plane
У Mover отличные, -объектиные- комментарии. Это нам не надо, это не практично, это мы тоже можем.
Это мы тоже можем. Но не хотим))))
Oh my God, they are real Americans. They did not talk anything about the distinctive take-off and the rest of the movements. They were looking for the practical feasibility of each aerobatic movement, forgetting that these movements are to demonstrate the aerodynamic characteristics of the plane. If American planes perform with this quality, why don't you record such videos instead of just talking?
You watched "ballet" of the Russian plane and you say: This pirouette is not needed in battle!
If someone wanted pure CIA propaganda garbage, we'd watch Task & Purpose.
I appreciate Gonky at least trying to add honest opinions, while Mover continues the propaganda BS, pretending that Russian pilots are showing off a flat spin means that they are somehow suggesting thats what they would do in combat, and not showing you the insane nose authority like Gonky said.
Also, the Su-57 uses 3D thrust vectoring, not 2D like the F-22.
The pilot is a 62yo without a modern g-suit and just on that amazing performance
Mover suggesting the visibility isn't good because "you sit high" was amazing. That's literally the second most important feature to good visibility, second to only a bubble canopy, which even he himself has brought up in previous videos.
The Su-57 uses a modern helmet mounted display, which slaves the gun sight, plane's radar and IR seeker data, allowing the pilot to aim and lock his weapons by simply looking towards the target, which some of Russia's super manueverable missiles allow them to be shot at targets almost directly behind your own aircraft. The Su-57's HMD is a more advanced version of the HMD introduced on and used with both the MiG-29 and Su-27
Acting like the Su-57's weaponry and electronic systems are so far behind the US, specifically the F-22, is beyond misleading. The F-22 was designed in the 1980's, while the Su-57 was designed in the 1990's, 2000's, and continues development to this day such as the engines and integrating new more sophisticated weapons that Russia has produced. No one suggests that the F-22 isn't technologically superior, but to pretend the Su-57 is that far behind is disingenuous. Especially since both Mover and Gonky have experience around modern Russian systems, when training with friendly nations like India and Indonesia, both of which use modern Suhkoi aircraft alongside US made fighters, giving the closest experience a Western pilot can get fighting against Russian jets. Mind you, this is against export models that dont have the most capable systems that Russia keeps for their own models.
I did not say the visibility is bad “Because you sit high” nor did I suggest you’d do a flat spin combat. That was a question FROM VIEWERS from the video I did on my channel. There was no propaganda BS, except maybe your comment.
Man task and purpose is full of utter bs.
Yeah... Even experienced traditionally trained pilot like Mover sometimes struggles to grasp the practical applications of supermaneuvrability. Oh well..
Did Mover fly the Hornet? Gonky seem to fly more in the Hornet so i guess he can think of more scenarios when high alpha moves are more applicable
@@hippoace He did, or rather he mainly flew the viper but also he did get some time on the hornet when he was on exchange with the US Navy, so he flew both
I think his point was more that it's not super useful in a modern combat space. Even Gonky seemed to indicate that its mostly useful in a gun fight. But in modern times, when you can shoot missiles at planes behind you or shoot at planes well past the horizon, I'm not sure how often you're going to get a chance to use guns. Whoever gets the first good missile shot off is likely going to be the victor. Especially when preventing friendly fire is so much easier with the way modern US fighters communicate with each other and allies (ie don't need physical confirmation before firing, a la Vietnam).
When you're being targeted by a true stealth fighter from BVR or AA missiles like Patriot, it's pretty useless. If you're in a Vietman era dogfight, sure, it's useful.
@@TC2290-wh5cb In fact, it is much more useful in long-range air combat. With increasing altitude, the air loses density and the control surfaces become less efficient. How long will it take for the viper to turn 180 degrees at an altitude of 10km and at a speed of 1M? About 20 seconds. This is the time it takes for a rocket to fly 20-30 km, you just don't have time to get away from the impact. How long will the Su-30/35/57 take? Judging by a recent video from the C-70, 5 seconds for 135 degrees, and 6 for 180. This is a completely different matter, you can launch all the missiles at a distance of 150% of the hit, turn around almost instantly and leave. Due to the Doppler effect and stealth, you will be almost impossible to notice
Impressive demo. 360 degree thrust vectoring is always cool with any Jet. I loved seeing it with the F-16 MATV.
У болтуна подгорает. Хорошо
"Mover wasn't impressed... or", I don't think his Boss allows him to have any positive thoughts on his adversaries successes
The Su-57 is not a success, lmao.
@@TC2290-wh5cb It's doing pretty well in combat operations. Remember when it had to destroy its own Wingman? That was directly over enemy territory & where was the AD?
Cope more.
@@TC2290-wh5cb Su-57 has been operating in Ukrainian airspace for a quite a sometime without ever getting hit by air defenses. They only realized it when the Su-57 shot down it's own malfunctioning wingman.
@@xaber_ No it hasn't.
@@The1RedRooster Shooting down it's own wingman is successful?