The wild theories around Michael Andretti’s McLaren F1 nightmare

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  • @AlistairMaxwell77
    @AlistairMaxwell77 Рік тому +31

    One of the most interesting facts in MA favour was the press conference that Senna held after he was sacked to tell everyone how poorly he was treated by the team. Senna didn't have to do that. Senna said MA was quick , in (their limited) private test days MA was .1-.2 seconds off Senna and faster than Hakkinen. MA's 1st Indycar race back , in a mid field winless team , took pole and won , beating Mansell , Villeneuve - Former and Future F1 champions . There were forces within F1 and Mclaren itself that had vested interests in MA not succeeding , we will just never know the extent they had a direct effect . It could have been outright interference , or just a level of un willing and uncooperative individuals . But that can be enough to sabotage a drivers chances. Look at redbull and their succession of un-supported 2nd drivers. Even just a small shift in driver support and resourcing can ruin a drivers season.

    • @mustangecoboosthpp3869
      @mustangecoboosthpp3869 5 місяців тому

      I would not read too much in Andretti beating Mansell in 1994 because Lola had fallen behind the other chassis' in Indy Car.

    • @rotorairgroup8409
      @rotorairgroup8409 5 місяців тому

      Michael Andretti was mediocre in the US before his tests in F1. Stop inventing bs.

    • @mikekadlcak1963
      @mikekadlcak1963 4 місяці тому +1

      @@rotorairgroup8409 You have no clue, stop posting bs. Michael had more wins in crap teams than anybody. If the engines back then were reliable he would have been 4 times CART champ. and 3 times indy500 winner. He also gave a maiden win each time a new chassis was introduced to Indycar... first win for Reynard first win for Swift. (each the first race right away as well)

    • @mikekadlcak1963
      @mikekadlcak1963 4 місяці тому +1

      @@mustangecoboosthpp3869 no they did not. If Michael would have been in Newman Haas instead of Mansell he would give Penske the run for their money. Mansell had few poles that year and was just bad in the race.. Michael chased him down each race he was leading.

    • @mustangecoboosthpp3869
      @mustangecoboosthpp3869 4 місяці тому

      @@mikekadlcak1963 You do know that Lola had fallen behind the Reynard and the Penske chassis right? That is why Newman/Haas switched over to Swift for their chassis for a while before switching back to Lola again.

  • @rugu6869
    @rugu6869 Рік тому +26

    I am typing this without even watching the the video. I knew the Andretti's a while back (Mike's uncle Larry specifically). From what I've heard through him and other sources is that F1 severely restricted testing. When Mike was sitting on the starting grid for his first race, he barely had any seat time in the car. He should have had hundreds of testing miles in before that. Then, there was the reliability issues that crept up every now and then. This happened more often at this time in F1. Ron Dennis and Mike did NOT get along at all. They were too similar (personality wise) and just didn't like each other for it. Not that either was wrong, they just didn't get along.
    Senna was the ONLY person that gave Mike the time of day and really tried to help him. At the time, Senna was very unhappy with the way F1 was going and even tested for Penske as he wanted out of F1 and was seriously considering jumping to CART.
    I'm not sure they' cover this in the documentary, but Mike was consistently faster than the McLaren test driver at the time. Who, BTW, had hundreds of laps in the car because he wasn't under the same testing restrictions. His name was Mika Hakkienen!
    Despite all these negative factors, Mike was still able to podium.

    • @tbz1551
      @tbz1551 Рік тому +3

      "not that either was wrong": ...if you're the team boss vs. a driver/employee... guess which one of you is considered "wrong".

    • @dpause10
      @dpause10 7 місяців тому

      Only that once Hakkinen got to race the MP4/8, he produced some very impressive results immediately. Take nothing away from Michael Andretti, but ultimately I think it was just bad timing and McLaren were clearly struggling with some issues like getting a real engine in that car.

    • @rugu6869
      @rugu6869 7 місяців тому +1

      @@dpause10 Mika was their test driver and had literally hundreds of miles in the car compared to Mike who had barely any. Also, Senna tested with Penske, he was done with F1 and would have made the switch to Indycar had he lived. You're right, it was a difficult time for many (teams and drivers).

  • @rafsccp
    @rafsccp Рік тому +72

    Racing with senna as teammates not a good idea at all lol

  • @graemewilliams6697
    @graemewilliams6697 Рік тому +99

    I went to the Donnington race and in the group were a couple of Americans who came to the UK just to see Andretti and so the tour manager got them tickets at the first corner so they would see him once, and that is all they saw of him as he was taken off by Karl Wendlinger on the first ;ap.

    • @ELSTERLING
      @ELSTERLING Рік тому +7

      It has always bugged me that there's no footage of that incident. All that ever seems to have been caught on camera is the aftermath.

    • @SiPhillipson
      @SiPhillipson Рік тому +16

      I saw it from the outside of McLeans. Andretti went for a gap that was always going to narrow.
      Typical lap 1 tangle in the rain.

    • @jrjehad7325
      @jrjehad7325 Рік тому +2

      But who was responsible?

    • @SiPhillipson
      @SiPhillipson Рік тому +8

      @@jrjehad7325 was hard to tell from my angle how far behind MA was when they collided. It was probably a racing incident.

    • @413TomaccoRoad
      @413TomaccoRoad Рік тому +1

      They weren't there for practice and qualifying?

  • @kuckoo9036
    @kuckoo9036 Рік тому +49

    Just pointing out the beacon at Magny-Cours - which could have been caused by anything other than malicious intent - doesn't excuse all the clumsy errors throughout the rest of Michael's campaign. Senna won five races and finished second in the championship in the same car that Andretti couldn't figure out how to stop spinning and crashing in ( _and that Hakkinen immediately outqualified Senna at the next race after Andretti was dropped_ ). By Imola I was nearly in tears. It was painfully embarrassing to witness.

    • @42mag
      @42mag Рік тому +11

      Did you watch the video? As a rookie he had had no preseason testing and there was a limit to the number of practice and qualy laps he could do on tracks he's never raced on before. That's extremely restrictive even by todays standards. And were talking about him going up against Senna. Senna... Hakkinen was no rookie either. Ignoring the beacon drama, I think you could excuse some of his fumbles.

    • @SilverScarletSpider
      @SilverScarletSpider Рік тому +2

      That’s just Karma. Andretti is a flaky clown and nepotistic window Iicker just like Stroll

    • @GregBrownsWorldORacing
      @GregBrownsWorldORacing Рік тому +4

      I got so tired of the commentators saying "Poor Michael". It wasn't made easier by the fact that 'that Hakkinen dude' seemed to have real skills in that csr. A Very painful watch. indeed.

    • @kawaiikeyboards
      @kawaiikeyboards Рік тому

      its just unfortunate for Michael cause he didn't have a proper racing background in Europe. Besides having limited track time and also inexperience at the majority of tracks, the fact he didn't want to move to Europe to get more test time there also hurt his chances.

    • @jamesstetz9884
      @jamesstetz9884 3 місяці тому

      You didn’t watch the video, did you?

  • @AnarRamazanov-po5le
    @AnarRamazanov-po5le Рік тому +13

    10:09 Villeneuve's Indy 500 win in '95 was also the final Indy 500 in CART (in 1996, IndyCar split into two different series: one was CART itself (later Champ Car) which Andretti raced until 2003, the other was Indy Racing League which only raced at ovals until 2004. Two series re-merged in early 2008 and the rest is history

    • @kieferclarkf1674
      @kieferclarkf1674 Рік тому +5

      I wish the Tony George never created the IRL and CART still existed today. The Indy car series today is sadly more of IRL dna than CART. Because it really was champ cars demise/pending bankruptcy that led to them joining the irl. When Ganassi and Penske, along with Toyota and Honda left CART at the end of 2002, that was the beginning of the end for cart and they were on borrowed time until 08.

    • @ducedevlstear2471
      @ducedevlstear2471 Рік тому +3

      ​@@kieferclarkf1674Tony George destroyed single seat racing in America. That form of Motorsport is in sad state in US.

    • @RadityaPramanaPutra2001
      @RadityaPramanaPutra2001 Рік тому

      So, you wish Tony George never created IRL and CART still called CART or what?

  • @Ginbaubabe
    @Ginbaubabe Рік тому +17

    Excuses for incompetence. Few accomplished Indycar drivers were able to make any mark in 1990-2000s F1 simply due to the vast differences in car technology and race tracks. Many other capable drives have failed, with Jacques Villeneuve and JPM the only exceptions. Both didn’t have a very long career in F1 due to different circumstances

    • @titancheat
      @titancheat Рік тому +3

      Even sebastian bourdais later on got beat by sebastian vettel..

    • @simonkevnorris
      @simonkevnorris Рік тому +3

      JPM had a background of racing in Europe. I saw him in F3000 in 1997 at Spa and a few other tracks.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +5

      Ron Dennis ruined JPM. He never should have left Williams.

  • @paa6397
    @paa6397 Рік тому +19

    For those that remember F1 and CART were locked into a furious battle with CART many times being more popular and offering way better racing. CART was absolutely on the rise and F1 on the nose in many circles.

    • @briankearn6991
      @briankearn6991 Рік тому +8

      Bernie was very worried and he should have been. Senna tested an Indy car, Mansel and Finnipaldi were driving one and Ferrari had built one. F1 didn’t have a good experience in the US and didn’t trust Americans. Indy Car was hot then and Andretti was a good driver.

    • @AnarRamazanov-po5le
      @AnarRamazanov-po5le Рік тому +1

      @@briankearn6991 Andretti's move to F1 w/McLaren was one of the first signs that IndyCar would split

  • @tsellsseashells
    @tsellsseashells Рік тому +5

    Bernie along with bill france were instrumental in convincing Tony George to split indycar. Not far fetched at all.

  • @eternal_trashero
    @eternal_trashero Рік тому +198

    It makes you wonder: if this hadn't happened would he have found success as a team owner? Because I'm sure he does look back and regret but also realizes what he achieved because of not achieving in F1.

    • @hagestad
      @hagestad Рік тому +8

      It is ridiculous to even let a driver get in the car in the worlds top series when he never driven on those tracks before. Those are not US ovals and F1 is not the place to be learning tracks from scratch. Then again F1 is historically that way- some drivers are not there because of their skills/experience.

    • @smokeybandit9760
      @smokeybandit9760 Рік тому +18

      @@hagestad Your statement is ridiculous. So, drivers migrating from F1 to IndyCar or going to Formula E shouldn't be allowed to race because they don't know any of the tracks? That's complete lunacy

    • @hagestad
      @hagestad Рік тому +5

      @@smokeybandit9760Today in the time of awesome simulations/simulators is not that much of a problem. Back then how are you suppose to learn everything at once? It is not the movies. You are racing against 20-30 year old drivers that were racing on those tracks before they were 10. Good luck with that. Im not a pro level driver but on my local track that i did thousands of laps i can very much hang with the pros provided that the car is not insanely fast like f1 (you have to have some neck muscles for that)

    • @psueddie
      @psueddie Рік тому +8

      @@hagestad back then you had unlimited testing. You could just send the driver to run laps anywhere and anytime you wanted. Most teams essentially had an entire 3rd car entourage that would spend every week testing anyways. The only thing that prevented Andretti from performing was his attitude, which is still obviously filling him with delusions such as the conspiracies detailed in this video.

    • @dirkstrickland135
      @dirkstrickland135 Рік тому +2

      This is also why Andretti holds on to legacy hacks for as long as they could. No more Last Name Merchant will suffer again under the Andretti Banner.

  • @davidyates8880
    @davidyates8880 Рік тому +8

    He did get a McLaren F1 road car as part of his deal, which was nice, however he didn't use it and it sat in storage for years in the UK. I saw that very car on the road about 3 years ago, and very nice it is too!

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Рік тому +1

      Sounds like his attitude was off from the very start!

  • @The_ZeroLine
    @The_ZeroLine Рік тому +2

    F1 cars were not always more refined than IndyCar. When Newey joined IndyCar in the 80s, he introduced tons of revolutions that made them more refined than F1. After turbos were banned, F1 quickly shot by and left IndyCar in the dust.

  • @phil4986
    @phil4986 Рік тому +53

    Welcome to Formula One, Michael. Your main competition will be your teammate.
    Who is my teammate?
    Ayrton Senna.

    • @elementalsheep2672
      @elementalsheep2672 Рік тому +2

      The original Vandoorne

    • @Ausknutz
      @Ausknutz Рік тому

      Not just Ayrton Senna, but a 3-time champion Ayrton Senna with a new girlfriend, so he was racing more relaxed as ever

    • @nicorsar
      @nicorsar 6 місяців тому

      @@Ausknutz Not just that. I was a Senna fan. When Prost was on the grid, Senna drove at a different level. His entire motivation was to beat Prost. 1992 Senna (absent Prost and in an inferior car) was just okay. You could see it from South Africa onward he wanted to stick it to Prost (as always). So to your point, a MOTIVATED Senna

  • @graemewilliams6697
    @graemewilliams6697 Рік тому +117

    He was paired with Ayrton Senna, did not move to Europe, and there was a reduction in testing and the number of laps allowed in practice were also reduced.
    He didn't have the feedback abilities of Senna either.

    • @wolfgangvan-uber6515
      @wolfgangvan-uber6515 Рік тому +20

      Also Senna was probably the best F1 driver of all time combined with years of experience and several championships under his belt. I think Andretti who came in as a foreigner never had a real chance. Under fair circumstances it would have taken him one and maybe half a season to get up to speed. But maybe lucky for him the 94 and 95 McLarens were pretty rubbish so in the end it wasn’t such a bad thing he quit F1 early.

    • @lewiskemp5893
      @lewiskemp5893 Рік тому +22

      Going against Senna in his team. He never got a real shot and his overdriving style of racing at Indy hurt him in F1

    • @wraitheful
      @wraitheful Рік тому +4

      He still doesn’t want to be in Europe

    • @psueddie
      @psueddie Рік тому +3

      Don't think the in-season testing reduction was brought into play until 2000s. If there was any sort of reduction, it would have been trivial as even the 2007 restriction set a 30,000km limit or about 100 race distances for testing.

    • @0Synergy
      @0Synergy Рік тому +1

      @@wraithefulCan you blame him?

  • @KuchingKingVideoGamer
    @KuchingKingVideoGamer Рік тому +33

    Good thing he left McLaren early as we all know McLaren struggled using unreliable Peugeot engines in 1994 and the 1st McLaren Mercedes in 1995 was very uncompetitive.
    Andretti at least became a very successful race car team owner compared to Prost who failed big time as F1 team owner 😂

    • @MrBlazemaster525
      @MrBlazemaster525 Рік тому +4

      LOL successful my ass

    • @Rayuzan_M
      @Rayuzan_M Рік тому +14

      ​@@MrBlazemaster525Andretti team have 6 Indy 500 wins and won championships, the heck are you on?

    • @MrBlazemaster525
      @MrBlazemaster525 Рік тому

      @@Rayuzan_M those aren't Dumbdretti's at all 🤡🤡🤡 all he did was suck up to Barry Green

  • @WRXMAN-ms2mm
    @WRXMAN-ms2mm Рік тому +61

    Sounds like a perfect storm. All the bad things that could happen happened at the same time for Andretti. To succeed in F1 all the stars have to align and you also need a touch of good luck. Would have could have should have is the Andretti F1 story for Michael. Overall though I think he had a very good racing career and is destined to have an outstanding ownership legacy. Hopefully that ownership legacy will include F1.

    • @Zadkiel862
      @Zadkiel862 Рік тому +7

      Or just have your dad buy majority ownership in the team you join. That way you can keep on STROLLing along regardless of your results.

    • @WRXMAN-ms2mm
      @WRXMAN-ms2mm Рік тому +3

      @@Zadkiel862 I could care less if a rich family buys a team and the son or even daughter drives provided the "family driver" is truly talented enough to drive in F1. Could earn at minimum a second seat on another team on the grid and finishes consistently close to or ahead of the other driver on his family owned team.
      Clearly young Stroll is not that caliber. An older Alonso has demonstrated that in spades. I wish I had Lance's skill though I would be a dam good driver but be in a different format, Indy, Nascar or endurance.

    • @flexygoo1295
      @flexygoo1295 Рік тому +1

      Stars don't help. It all comes down to people. Greedy, selfish people.

  • @BobGeogeo
    @BobGeogeo Рік тому +19

    Jo Ramírez, then in about the middle of his 15+ years at McLaren, thought Michael Andretti lacked a strong internal desire to be a racing driver. He was following in the business of his father. If Mario had been a (say) carpenter or banker, Michael would have gone that way. One man's opinion, but with Stewart, Prost and Senna in Jo's CV, he has some perspective. Story from Jo's autobiography.

    • @flexygoo1295
      @flexygoo1295 Рік тому +2

      Jos Verstappen ------> Max Verstappen
      🤔

    • @erikahuxley
      @erikahuxley Рік тому +1

      Never liked Jo Ramirez, he was extremely bias in the Senna documentary, another time he criticized Nikka Lauda for being concerned with safety.

  • @mervyncharter
    @mervyncharter Рік тому +16

    I remember being really excited prior to the 1993 season at the prospect of an Indy Car Champion joining Formula 1. The fact that it was the son of formula 1 champion Mario Andretti made it even more thrilling. Was such a shame it didn`t work out. As Michael said the turning point for him could have been at Donnington Park. You could see before he crashed out that the car was handling well in the wet, and if he had safely negotiated Wendlinger with a bit more patience, i think he would have finished 2nd behind Senna. I also think the limiting of testing, and just 23 laps of practice at grand prix, and just 12 in qualifying were huge factors. Shame that Mclaren did not give him more time as that was a great Podium at Monza. Didn`t he have to make an early pit stop on the 2nd lap to replace a front wing, but he still came through the Field to get a podium.

  • @seanfranciscus8752
    @seanfranciscus8752 Рік тому +2

    In 2018, I had dinner in CT with Mario Andretti in a small Italian restaurant. He confirmed the falsehood of rumors about Michael’s traveling between continents being a problem. Rather, McLaren had issues with the drivetrain package, which was where the lack of performance manifested. However, the MAIN issue was in FACT the messy situation with their 3-driver lineup. So, Dennis wanted him out, period, and made the remaining time uncomfortable for his son Michael, until he ultimately decided to move on. Mario clearly felt Michael got a raw deal internally @ McLaren, and F1 didn’t want him in the series.

  • @tomhutchins7495
    @tomhutchins7495 Рік тому +7

    From everything I've heard about working with Ron Dennis, he made Helmut Marko look kind and supportive, and made Flavio Briatore look honest.

  • @SiVlog1989
    @SiVlog1989 Рік тому +1

    I think to some degree McLaren got themselves into a tangle by making too many agreements with too many drivers. Like many drivers paired against him, Andretti was probably to some extent trying too hard to match Senna's pace. It's clear that McLaren tried to give Andretti as much support as they could, but I think what ultimately did him in was that silly rule that limited the number of laps drivers and teams could do in 1993. This rule was always going to hurt someone completely new to the F1 tracks like Andretti, compared to veterans like Senna.
    I understand his frustration in every time he was called to the factory, he was told he wasn't needed. It's just unfortunate I feel

  • @rush8481
    @rush8481 Рік тому +4

    The uncomplicated explanation...he wasn't good enough.
    That saves 11 minutes of BS excuses.

  • @leoa4c
    @leoa4c Рік тому +22

    There is a telling scene in a 1993 documentary where both drivers are asked alone about the upgraded engine.
    Michael's answer: "The same. Just the same", he said with a shoulder shrug.
    Ayrton's answer: "The engine for sure is better!" and he then proceeded to explain in what areas the engine was better.
    Michael's head was somewhere else. It looked as if he wasn't enjoying his new job with its new demands. But when you are paid by a top F1 team, feedback and especially good feedback should be the least that you can give.

    • @r7coo
      @r7coo Рік тому

      It was called The Race & it was fabulous.

    • @AlistairMaxwell77
      @AlistairMaxwell77 Рік тому +1

      This tells you Michaels engine had less HP than Sennas.

    • @1247.cccccc
      @1247.cccccc Рік тому

      @@AlistairMaxwell77 Right; Senna's was remarkably better and he could explain how and why and Michael's was the same.

    • @leoa4c
      @leoa4c Рік тому +3

      @@AlistairMaxwell77Or maybe it tells us that Senna knew what he was talking about.

    • @AlistairMaxwell77
      @AlistairMaxwell77 Рік тому

      @@leoa4c that he was being sabotaged , yes . he called a press conference when MA was fired , to say how shit mclaren had been .

  • @StreetComp
    @StreetComp Рік тому +4

    Thanks for an interesting story I’d never heard about as I didn’t start watching F1 until 2001 so didn’t know Michael had ever driven in F1, and was teammate with Senna!

  • @JLneonhug
    @JLneonhug Рік тому +4

    I didn't follow the history but the way you described and hearing the substance of the events, it sounds like he was a bit of a cry baby and gave up.
    Nor was he committed enough to the sport, come on, even now people will live near the factory to get the hands on when we have internet. It was only 1 year, rent a place make the effort if you want to win. People move for alot less prestigious jobs.

  • @douganderson771
    @douganderson771 Рік тому +23

    So many EGO's and so much money involved clouds the issues. My own recollection of Michael
    was seeing him at the races when the company I worked for sponsored another car. His mouth often times exceeded his talent. His behavior was not pleasant at times , kind of like a spoiled child. I can only hope he has matured and I truly wish him all the best . It would be nice to see another American team in F1 along with Haas .

    • @simonkevnorris
      @simonkevnorris Рік тому +3

      I heard that both Michael and his wife were not popular in the F1 paddock.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +7

      ​​@@simonkevnorrisMostly Sandy who insisted on being in the garage during race weekends. She was a real trailblazer because thanks to her, every driver's wife or girlfriend are standing in the back of the garages now.😂

    • @AlistairMaxwell77
      @AlistairMaxwell77 Рік тому

      ​@@paulo9504 there is a great interview where Shelly Unser smoked and told dirty jokes in the garage with the crew during Little Als williams test . Patrick Head was extremely not amused.....

  • @burrito-town
    @burrito-town Рік тому +3

    Why is the audio in this video so quiet??? Whoever is in charge of exporting video for UA-cam at The Race is clearly using incorrect export settings. Your team really, really needs to look into this problem. The quiet audio in your videos make you look like amateurs. I have no business subscribing to a channel where I cannot hear what's being said in the videos.
    Think I'm being dramatic? Right click on this video and select "Stats for Nerds". From there, you will see that UA-cam measures the audio in this video as almost 10 dB too quiet. 10 dB is impossible not to notice.

  • @rickyricardo2006
    @rickyricardo2006 Рік тому +5

    Compelling story. In 20 years, will we have Latifi complaining to the media how the Williams team wrong him?😔

  • @1greenMitsi
    @1greenMitsi Рік тому +3

    that stab at ron for mclaren not having a fun atmosphere is clearly sour grapes
    I mean not that mclaren was a fun atmosphere but before one can play hard at a new work environment, one must work hard. Michael was getting trounced by senna like stroll does by Alonso

  • @samthetoolman8068
    @samthetoolman8068 3 місяці тому +1

    Rod Dennis had an agenda and so did Bernie Ecclestone. Michael never got a fair shot and Sena indicated the same and even demanded that the team give MA the same car he had

  • @jeffreymancini409
    @jeffreymancini409 11 місяців тому +1

    Senna raced incredibly in 1993. He was artisinal and resilient. He validated his greatness that season amid 3 championships. He was cool and consistent in 1993.

  • @jcn115
    @jcn115 Рік тому +4

    The Andretti racing genes diminished with each generation. Mario won F1 and Indycar championship, Michael only won the Indycar championship once and Marco only won 2 races in Indycar

  • @psychoanarchic
    @psychoanarchic 11 місяців тому +1

    "..in the end I said, ‘No' to Marlboro. I asked them to understand that I didn't want to make a mistake; I didn't know Watkins Glen and I didn't know the car. I said I thought it would be a better idea to organise a test."
    Alain Prost on declining the very first offer he got from Mclaren, to drive in a third car at the final race of the 1979 season

  • @infinitwisdom7567
    @infinitwisdom7567 Рік тому +1

    I had the honor of meeting Frank Arciero at his winery in California. We had talked about Bernie Ecclestone and Frank told me that he knew of several occasions where Bernie had assisted in trying to sabotage Indycar. Frank Arciero sponsored Mario Andretti most of his racing career. Frank told me he thought Bernie was behind Michael's demise in F1. I never thought much of that conversation until I saw this video. The fact that Bernie was recently convicted of fraud doesn't surprise me at all. I hope he rots in hell.

  • @barnigranero5882
    @barnigranero5882 Рік тому +1

    The theory about someone turning off the beacon doesn't necassarily have to have been done with agreement from the McLaren team management. I'm sure Bernie had insiders in each team who would help him when required.
    It sounds very similar to what happened to Hamilton's car at the Brazilian Grand Prix in 2007 when Bernie didn't want a McLaren driver to win the World Championship because in his words live on TV before the race "it would be bad for the sport". Words he later on (still prior to the race) insisted on coming on live TV again to retract, which made it look even more suspicious.
    Somehow Hamilton's engine randomly went into neutral during the Grand Prix.

  • @greglockhart7439
    @greglockhart7439 Рік тому +3

    Agreed in general. btw,, 3rd best car. show's you how good Senna the Eternal GOAT really was.......

  • @axelarnesson5066
    @axelarnesson5066 Рік тому +1

    Great vid, but you absolutely forgot to tie it back to the beginning where you mentioned andrettis podium. Was waiting for it the whole time but it never came

  • @DeathComesSwiftly
    @DeathComesSwiftly Рік тому +8

    All the drivers that struggle in F1 have a very similar struggle story.

  • @CourtlandSandoverSly
    @CourtlandSandoverSly Рік тому +1

    The IRL / CART split was beginning around this time, too. A very unfortunate period for race fans.

  • @TerribleFire
    @TerribleFire Рік тому +1

    There was defo something suspect about the Andretti-McLaren car. And i'd not put it past Bernie to do anything. Indy racing was better in 1993

  • @kevinwilliams3694
    @kevinwilliams3694 Рік тому +21

    Seems a lot more likely Andretti was just less good than the other F1 drivers.

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Рік тому +3

      And clearly not as good as future Indycar F1 converts like Villeneuve & Montoya.

  • @alanluscombe8a553
    @alanluscombe8a553 6 місяців тому +1

    I hope to see an Andretti f1 team

  • @mrterp04
    @mrterp04 Рік тому +17

    I feel like Michael is one of the most overrated racers of all time. Heck-you even mentioned that he only won ONE IndyCar/CART championship despite racing mostly for Newman/Haas, the #2 team in the 80s & 90s after Penske.
    I think he just couldn’t cut it.

  • @antonysnook4932
    @antonysnook4932 Рік тому +1

    He had podeoms. Was supposed to stick around but according to his father Mario his manager did nothing to get a 1994 drive. And Mika was testing and had more European experience.

  • @RadityaPramanaPutra2001
    @RadityaPramanaPutra2001 Рік тому +2

    Formula One - Michael Andretti+Nigel Mansell+Jacques Villeneuve - IndyCar Series
    What A Triangle Relationship 😮
    16/10/2023 15:37 At My Local Time.

  • @Sai_Saracen
    @Sai_Saracen Рік тому +7

    there is a 4 or 5 part documentary about that 1993 McLaren season.. I think its available on UA-cam go and watch .. and ull come with ONE conclusion... Michael Andretti was clueless.... Bernie and Dennis did not make all those Crashes happen.. HE acts like a spoilt brat .. and the fact that he said that McLaren "was not fun" says it all

  • @Skjoldborg8
    @Skjoldborg8 Рік тому +6

    It makes a lot of sense, also when you think of Bernie’s many dirty games in F1. It’s a money business, especially at that time. And the rhetoric from Bernie at the time with IndyCar and F1 being labeled as wrestling vs heavyweight boxing, definitely shows the battle. Also labeling F1 as being “more enjoyable for the drivers” is something so far away from the truth when you think about how much of a “gameboy” F1 was at the time with TC, active suspension, and more. It showed that the teams and Bernie loved to posses more power over the results than the driver often had. Anybody that now just a fraction about racing know the true joy is in a pure racing experience with no aids.

  • @titancheat
    @titancheat Рік тому +11

    He simply wasn't that good despite his father's name. Just look at Marco in indycar. Even the guy married to the force daughter is second best in his house lol.

  • @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
    @RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Рік тому +7

    If anyone wanna watch a really good video on Andretti season of 1993 I *Highly* recommend the Mobile Chicane video on this very top
    Good indepth on video on his brief time in the sport
    Excellent channel for long form documentary style videos on f1

  • @Rick356A
    @Rick356A Рік тому +2

    Michael was a good driver but thought he would just get F1 straight out of the box and in that era it would have been a real achievement to do it in one season, these days no so much of an achievement

  • @664chrisman
    @664chrisman Рік тому +3

    Two things: 1. classic generational advice from a parent about a world that no longer exists 2. Thanks for adding footage of Ron Dennis looking lost in the airport. 😅😅😅

  • @damianclark550
    @damianclark550 Рік тому +12

    Anyone against Senna would be a struggle. A different animal

    • @michaelskoomamacher5652
      @michaelskoomamacher5652 Рік тому +9

      Prost and Hill didn't.

    • @ChadLouisNewton
      @ChadLouisNewton Рік тому +4

      Hakkinen out qualified Senna at Estoril in his first race for McLaren.

    • @rafsccp
      @rafsccp Рік тому +1

      @@michaelskoomamacher5652 Prost quit and hill, who was he ?

    • @thatguy4noreason
      @thatguy4noreason Рік тому +2

      ​@@rafsccpyeah that's why Prost has 4 titles and Senna 3

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +4

      ​@thatguy4noreason Senna was killed at his peak. Come on man!😂

  • @FrancisFjordCupola
    @FrancisFjordCupola Рік тому +4

    Sounds to me like wrong place, wrong time indeed. Getting to grips with all the extra technical systems would require a lot of time. Remember that aside from not being able to make a lot of practice laps... they also didn't have the same high quality level simulators as they do have now. Can understand Andretti having bad feelings about it, hope they have evaporated by now.

    • @simonkevnorris
      @simonkevnorris Рік тому

      Also I presume he had never driven in any of the tracks used by F1 before.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому

      Best comment so far. Too many saying that Michael lacked talent are just being dumb and ignorant.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому

      ​​@@simonkevnorrisYep plus in-season testing at tracks holding races was prohibited prior to the event. During 1993 season, Andretti went to every circuit blind. He had just one in-season test. That was at Magny-Cour following the French GP.

    • @johnschira9041
      @johnschira9041 Рік тому

      Probably could have used a lot more standing-start practice as well....

  • @DChrls
    @DChrls Рік тому +2

    Michael's wife didn't want to move to Europe so Michael was flying from the States to wherever he need to go. His marriage was on the rocks too.
    Flying back and forth is a big strain on a person and made it harder to succeed in F1. On top of trying to gel with a team and learn F1.
    IMO, that was a huge mistake. He should have done whatever was necessary to make the switch from Indy to F1. Immaturity, ego and bad decisions hampered him.
    I don't think he was going to win a championship but he could have won races. Just my opinion.

  • @LPKelly380
    @LPKelly380 Рік тому +2

    I’m not shedding any tears for this Nepo-baby.

  • @kevinshort3943
    @kevinshort3943 Рік тому +22

    Lets be honest, Andretti just wasn't good enough.
    Didn't help that Hakkinen was waiting in the wings, and was extremely good.

    • @ChadLouisNewton
      @ChadLouisNewton Рік тому +2

      Andretti never should have had the 2nd seat at McLaren over Hakkinen to start with, they only signed both because they thought Senna was going to follow Mansell over to the States to compete in Indycar.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +2

      ​@@ChadLouisNewtonAndretti was in the frame at McLaren long before Hakkinen was. Mika was plan B if Senna didn't return. As the season went on and relations between Andretti and Ron Dennis deteriorated, Dennis triggered some option with Hakkinen that would give him two races in '93. Ron Dennis told Michael to pick two races to give his seat up. Andretti said he would make Monza his last race. Hence, giving up his seat the final two races.

  • @DimitriMoreira
    @DimitriMoreira Рік тому +1

    2nd best car, what? 3rd best car, with some luck!
    The Benetton aero was superior and the late deal with Ford meant that McLaren had to race a B-spec engine for half the season. 60hp less than the Benetton counterpart. The fact that Senna scored wins in that car was a god given talent. Nothing short of a miracle.
    But then again, he also had wins in 92 with also the 3rd best car on the grid. Senna was used to the struggle.
    Senna arriving late at the party also meant that he didn't test the car much and Hakkinen was freaking fast in his Lotus days. Hakkinen was a top tier talent and it was clear there Hakkinen and Schumacher were the future of F1.
    I really hoped Andretti did well. I hope he stomped Senna but you know, wishes don't often come true. And I was a young fool thinking that a novice could take on the GOAT. If Prost, one of the GOATs, in his prime couldn't and had to resort to politics, Andretti wouldn't come close. But I was young and I didn't like the Brazilian flag so.. well.. I just needed an excuse to not like Senna, but as it turned out, I never saw talent like that again. I watched it live. It was unbelievable. Still felt sorry for Michael though.

  • @rossdark713
    @rossdark713 Рік тому +3

    He thought that he could " phone it in " meaning that he never really gaive it his all. He never moved to the UK, the home of F1 and commuted back and forth from the US, thus limiting his time at the factory and the time availble to him from the team due to logistics and time zones.
    As such he shot himself in the foot and thus ended his career. He he moved to the UK, there would have been more time and resources made available to him just by being at McLaren and being able to spends hours pouring through the data instead of saying the 10:30 to the USA is leaving Heathrow soon , so i had better get going.
    That is maybe why there hasn't been any American drivers since him. They just don't understand what is required to be in F1. How would Scott Dixion done in F1, if he stayed in New Zealand instead of moving to America. The same can be said about Mark Weeber, Daniel Riccardo and Oscar.
    You get the picture. If you want to be successful at something you have to give 100 % or as in the case of F1 110 % or go home.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +1

      The whole not living in the UK thing is so blown out of proportion it is laughable. Senna lived in Monaco, so what? Helicopter flight from Monaco to UK or a Concorde flight from JFK to UK, what is the difference? People who bring up the whole travel thing and use it as some sort of reason to tear Andretti down are clueless.

    • @mikespearwood3914
      @mikespearwood3914 Рік тому

      I don't think so. If you commit to something, you should FULLY commit! Apparently Shane van Gisbergen has already bought a house in North Carolina, US to get ready for his pending Nascar move in 2024. Andretti seemed to be half-hearted and quite arrogant about his F1 move. @@paulo9504

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +1

      ​@mikespearwood3914 You don't know the reasons clearly! Testing was practically prohibited in '93. He was basically seeing circuits for the first time when he arrived for a race weekend. He visited the factory. He attended the meetings there. You ignore that Senna lived in Monaco at the same time. He didn't live near the McLaren HQ either. It is a lame excuse used by those who didn't like him.
      The guy racing next season in NASCAR from New Zealand, will be racing almost every week here. Not every two weeks or so, 16 times a year like Mikey did F1. 16 races versus 32 or more races here. Do the math!

  • @randomCADstuff
    @randomCADstuff Рік тому +1

    It was probably the 3rd best car not the second best car.
    And... if you read deep enough into organizational behavior, it's 100% plausible that someone inside was trying to sabotage him. It's amazing what people will do not only for $$$ but also out of shear pettiness. Most people reading this have at least one saboteur at their workplace (assuming it's 20+ people); it's not so far fetched.
    Although I wouldn't be shocked if it were in fact sabotage I don't think it's actually the case. Bad luck, the fastest guy in the sport as a teammate, new tracks, the pressure, and car issues... there was just too much stacked against him. He also was never likely to be a championship contender. Perhaps a race winner and top 5 or 10 driver (very respectable remembering that Indycar is a little different than F1). He wasn't likely a top 3 driver nor a generational talent (not in F1 at least) like his teammate.

    • @marcpaola1371
      @marcpaola1371 Рік тому

      The 93 McLaren was the 2nd best car that year.

    • @randomCADstuff
      @randomCADstuff Рік тому

      Performance was highly variable depending on the track. It was actually close between McLaren, Benetton and Ferrari. Based on qualifying times it's likely that Senna would have been faster in the Benetton (at a narrow majority of the tracks). The Ferrari was definitely faster at a few tracks. If you look at the times/results, drivers that had no business keeping up with Senna (with all due respect) were pretty close to him. Senna in the Benetton would have been just a touch faster (but maybe less reliable).@@marcpaola1371

  • @soonerlon
    @soonerlon Рік тому +19

    At the beginning of the season, Andretti was spinning out virtually on the first corner of the race. I don't see how this could be any form of sabotage, since all of the errors appear to be human-made. I personally think he wasn't ready for the big change and perhaps he should have moved to the U.K. to be close to the action - it might not have helped, but it certainly wouldn't have hurt him either. He could be the reason we haven't had a single successful American driver in F-1 since Mario.

    • @paulfrantizek102
      @paulfrantizek102 Рік тому +7

      Andretti was under the impression he could bully other drivers in F1 like he bullied other drivers in CART. He was mistaken.

    • @tamasvas1919
      @tamasvas1919 Рік тому +1

      No American true, however JPM and JV came from North American racing and were pretty successful (Although JPM had experience in Europe before and was a Williams test driver)
      And they were much more international

  • @MercyShot83
    @MercyShot83 Рік тому +5

    Mike was a capable racer but not up to F1 Standard. Neither was he fit enough, had the technical feedback nor the skill for this nervous beast. These shoes were too big. But he came back to Indy and enjoyed a good carreer.

    • @simonkevnorris
      @simonkevnorris Рік тому +1

      He had not raced at any of the tracks and kept on f!ting back to the USA (his father did that at one point whilst in F1 but I'm not sure which season's that was. Mario did drive for Lotus and then Alfa Romeo for full seasons and did guest appearances at Williams and Ferari (after Gille's death).

  • @herrwagner6663
    @herrwagner6663 Рік тому +7

    The Race continuing to deliver TOP tier motorsport content 🤍

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому

      Or recycled garbage, in this case. How many different spins can you put on Andretti's '93 F1 season?

  • @Sum_Ting_Wong
    @Sum_Ting_Wong Рік тому +11

    Reality is that he wasn't good enough for the McLaren seat. Down the grid he might have fared a little better under a less pressure sensitive environment but at the sharp end every mistake was always going to be magnified and exaggerated.
    Look at Sergio Perez; best car but he has so much mental fog in his head he can't escape it. Put him in a Haas or Alfa Romeo and he suddenly looks good again.
    Some can rise to it and some can't. Of course, it always helps if the team boss gives you psychological comfort too and is actively supportive of you

  • @minimalistic_banhaus
    @minimalistic_banhaus Рік тому +1

    Bernie has probably done lots of underhanded things. But also probably not that particular underhanded thing.

  • @MichaelEilers
    @MichaelEilers Рік тому +1

    I’m glad I’m a fan in the post-Eccelston period. What a piece of work that guy was, opening manipulating the sport in many different ways, an absolute despot with too much power and a disgusting mafia boss attitude. I hope he spends his last few days in jail or under house arrest for fraud.

    • @sej8806
      @sej8806 Рік тому +3

      Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but your opinion shows massive ignorance. You would not be enjoying F1 today without Bernie Ecclestone and his past endeavours.

  • @rishinarang9966
    @rishinarang9966 Рік тому +1

    If none of the teams are on board the easiest way to prevent or delay their entry into the grid is by every team refusing to supply them an engine. Its that simple.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому

      Rules say an existing engine manufacturer has to supply them an engine if they come in '25. Alpine would be the first manufacturer since they aren't supplying any team other than theirselves. People say well Alpine ended agreement to supply Andretti. Not true. Alpine and Andretti had a pre-contract for engines that was dependent on getting approval for 11th team. The pre-contract expired before FIA completed approval process. Now Alpine will wait until FOM approves before drawing up a new engine supply deal with Andretti.

  • @oldbuddyhouse
    @oldbuddyhouse Рік тому +1

    Wow… so much dishing. Somebody wants a cake and to eat it as well.

  • @silaslai5913
    @silaslai5913 Рік тому +2

    That year can he finish how many round he know

  • @oppenz3723
    @oppenz3723 Рік тому +7

    It's a skill issue

  • @sydliquid2152
    @sydliquid2152 Рік тому +5

    It reminds me of what's happening to Max's teammates..

    • @apophisstr6719
      @apophisstr6719 Рік тому

      Pretty much when against any champion caliber drivers. And also the fact that the battle aren't just done on the track, but also behind the curtains with all those infamous political stuff unique to F1.

    • @sydliquid2152
      @sydliquid2152 Рік тому +1

      @@apophisstr6719 wel not any mate.... I remember championship battles between teammates...
      Senna made drivers look worse than they actually where, and it only goes worse from there because they're trying to hard to achieve the same consistency and laptimes.

  • @ayrshiresoundman
    @ayrshiresoundman Рік тому

    well maybe it could be tied up with the Marlboro/Senna 1M per race sponsorship deal Bernie sorted out. I think Maybe Ron did write off the whole season anyway, knowing He'd lost his engines.

  • @MrDiggityaus
    @MrDiggityaus Рік тому +1

    7:03 Are we sure Helmut Marko wasn’t in control of McLaren.

  • @doric_historic
    @doric_historic 5 місяців тому +1

    You either have friends in high places or not...

  • @jeremysmith9696
    @jeremysmith9696 Рік тому +4

    Michael didn’t move to Europe. So he was remote from the team. He also rammed into the back of a competitor and said’”I didn’t know these cars could stop that fast”. And he’s just not that good of a F1 racer.

  • @craigbrown5359
    @craigbrown5359 10 місяців тому +1

    Not a stretch at all...Bernie is a chiniving business man...money talks and Bernie would get his way!!!

  • @StalinsPurge
    @StalinsPurge Рік тому +1

    He was also faster than Prost in his own car during testing after he got the full time boot. Dude can drive, i mean he won an indycar championship. Not many people can say that

    • @inmate1614
      @inmate1614 Рік тому

      F1 is elite top-tier, Indycar is not

    • @StalinsPurge
      @StalinsPurge Рік тому

      @inmate1614 nobody ever said it wasn't but that is debatable considering the current talent in f1 has 6 good drivers and I'd say 7 but Alonso was not competitive in the 500 or the weeks leading up to it at any level.

    • @simonkevnorris
      @simonkevnorris Рік тому

      I don't think Alonso had any experience of racing on an oval when he tried for the Indy 500. Mind you I don't think Jim Clarke, Jackie Stewart or Graham Hill had experience of ovals either but did quite well.

    • @StalinsPurge
      @StalinsPurge Рік тому

      @inmate1614 it'd be top tier if the drivers were top tier but they just aren't

    • @inmate1614
      @inmate1614 Рік тому

      @@StalinsPurge Fernando Alonso is one of the greatest racing car drivers of the last 30 years, the Indy 500 is irrelevant. I was a big Dan Wheldon fan and I used to love Indycar when it was predominantly ovals but I find the quality of the street circuits to be vastly inferior. I much preferred the pre 2012 cars as well, they were beautiful at times.

  • @egj1975
    @egj1975 Рік тому +2

    Its a theory.... nothing more

  • @skeptic10
    @skeptic10 24 дні тому

    In the documentary Year with McLaren you can really see the stark contrast between Michael and Mika. Easy to pick of the two who seems easier to work with. One is this gloomy miserable nervous mess and other is cheerful smiling and nice to everyone.

  • @Mike-xh8fl
    @Mike-xh8fl Рік тому +1

    I have no doubt that McLaren did a "Verstappen" or "Hamilton" and just threw themselves entirely behind the no.1 car of Senna, especially given that the car was a step down from previous McLarens. Add to that, Andretti just wasn't that good, profiting from the Andretti name in the same way Marco (a seriously mediocre indycar driver) did.

  • @NomadUniverse
    @NomadUniverse Рік тому +1

    Off-topic idea....I wanna see what someone with today's knowledge would do with an 80s F1 car and 80s regulations. What wasn't thought of back then.

  • @vinster8884
    @vinster8884 Рік тому +21

    I never thought Michael was a champion level driver. Moving to driving a team and pushing paper is more his thing.

    • @MichaelEilers
      @MichaelEilers Рік тому +7

      He did not impress in IndyCar either, ever again really

    • @tjantilag
      @tjantilag Рік тому +6

      ​@@MichaelEilersthats simply because Newman Haas didn't have "the package"
      Michael was an awesome driver.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +2

      ​​@@MichaelEilers😂😂😂😂 You clearly never watched Michael Andretti in CART.

    • @paulo9504
      @paulo9504 Рік тому +2

      ​@@tjantilagNewman-Haas had the package in 1991! With Mikey and Mario in 1992, Newman-Haas sorted out all of the bugs in the Ford-Cosworth XB in time for Nigel Mansell's CART arrival in '93.

  • @HeavyMetalGamingHD
    @HeavyMetalGamingHD Рік тому

    Very interesting insights

  • @cowboycasserole8304
    @cowboycasserole8304 Рік тому +1

    He was mediocre. They had Hakkinen on deck. The end.

  • @The_ZeroLine
    @The_ZeroLine Рік тому

    I don’t know if Andretti would have ever been great, but this was a time when drivers usually had essentially unlimited testing time before seasons. So, only have a 1.5 days was truly a disaster.

  • @azapro911
    @azapro911 3 місяці тому

    Andretti: "Nobody could just step in and outpace Senna."
    Hakkinen: "U wot m8?"

  • @aimanfitri0iv
    @aimanfitri0iv Рік тому +5

    this is one of the most remembered but yet very controversial of it

  • @ab8jeh
    @ab8jeh Рік тому +3

    7:30 F1 isn't about fun, it's about competing at the highest level.

  • @sjsomething4936
    @sjsomething4936 Рік тому +3

    Well, the theory about Ecclestone is very plausible, that guy is a snake in the grass and I completely believe he’d stoop to doing such a thing.

  • @lzysoul
    @lzysoul Рік тому

    Long story short, andretti believes "Opps Mad"

  • @kengodson6771
    @kengodson6771 Рік тому +1

    It was a good decision not to continue next year in 1994 with the maclaren if there was any opportunity available....that maclaren Peugeot 1994 partnership was horrendous

  • @pauls5745
    @pauls5745 Рік тому +1

    The son seldom achieves the same level of performance as the father in the same venue...

    • @briankearn6991
      @briankearn6991 Рік тому

      Yet, Max is way better than Jos could ever hope of being and Jaques was at least the equal of Gilles.

  • @AxPush
    @AxPush 5 місяців тому

    Mansell won indycar title as a rookie. Jacques Villeneuve won indycar title and indy 500 in his second year and F1 turtle in second year also.
    Michael won 0 Indy 500`s and even no more titles after f1

  • @eldorado5319
    @eldorado5319 Рік тому +2

    Sabotage, just like Checo's RBR now! 😂😂😂

  • @Milkydrummer
    @Milkydrummer Рік тому +10

    Ron won a host of championships with McLaren… like him or not, the guy got results. Having fun doesn’t come into it.

    • @inmate1614
      @inmate1614 Рік тому

      Yes he sounds absolutely idiotic

  • @neilsmith8327
    @neilsmith8327 Рік тому +6

    What a load of horse shxt
    Guy might have a great racing name and was a pretty reasonable cart driver
    He just couldn't adapt not the first driver and shouldn't think he will be last
    Ron just didn't take things lightly and was well known for his direct and strong ways and attention to details ( having all the autoclaves pipe work redone as it didn't match building)
    I hope AAS get their place on the grid

  • @Timelord774
    @Timelord774 Рік тому +8

    The harsh reality is that Andretti just wasn't good enough. His CART record as a driver was no more than "good", but certainly not exceptional, which should be the minimum requirement for a driver to make the transition from CART to F1. When you couple that with the other factors that were working against him as outlined in this video, this was always destined to end in tears. Hakkinen was obviously a much better choice at the time and Andretti was only given more time, even though he was obviously out of his depth, because of his father's famous name.

  • @jimdye4424
    @jimdye4424 Рік тому +2

    F1 Teams are afraid of the Andretti's. Otherwise Theye'd be in already! Red Bull is the most nervous!!!!!

  • @garrettbellinghausen8389
    @garrettbellinghausen8389 Рік тому +1

    I’m sure McLaren would do it if burny was giving them millions… ever thought of that?

  • @solanumsurvivor
    @solanumsurvivor Рік тому +3

    Michael never came to grips with the braking power of the F1 car

    • @falconberlina8488
      @falconberlina8488 Рік тому +1

      Even Zanardi struggled when he went back to F1. He nailed the use of the steel brakes in the US, then couldn't get back onto top of the carbon brakes.

  • @mmmbiscuits1211
    @mmmbiscuits1211 Рік тому +2

    Zak Brown fun? put the crack pipe down.