It was more well appreciated in Europe. North American audiences had trouble with the homo eroticism. Alexander Revisited is Stone's true vision, and it is one of my favorite movies.
I don't like this film (pacing mostly), but I'm really glad it was made. We need more historical films that bother themselves with, you know, history...
I agree one hundred percent. You can tell this was made by someone who loves Alexander’s story. I’ve always been fascinated by the whole history of Alexander, his father and the wars of the Diadochi. I think this movie is great. It was made for fans of history. Not your average Joe who wants to see the next big blockbuster with lots of cool sword fights.
In short, no actual confirmed reports ever indicated Alexander was gay. In fact, multiple historical records stated that Alexander was very disciplined in sexuality, seeking it only with one of his wives, even scolding leaders for sleeping with others unless they were married too often (even though it was common, especially among soldiers in that era). He cited it as something that could bring ruin to people and unworthy of noble leaders. Also, it has a LOT of inaccuracies concerning the depictions of Persians. In conjunction, it comes off as more a historical documentary style rather than an epic movie, being over narrated. All in all, it was inaccurate, talky, lengthy and didn't seem to portray Alexander as history or scribes that witnessed him described him.
People seem to fail to understand how serious such an act truly is. Almost being assassinated by those you trust and have grown up with. I can tell you that I would have become completely paranoid and mad with rage if I had been in the same position as Alexander
Besides heavy criticism I really enjoy this movie. There are some powerful scenes and some battles are very cool. Alexander's speech at the ''edge of the world'' is one of my favorite scenes of all time.
I just saw it yesterday for the first time and I find this criticism unfair. Its incredibly just how histoircally correct the entirety of the movie is. Especially the battle at gaugamela playing out 99% like the real version
I will commend the movie based on historical accuracy towards the Battle of Gaugamela, but the rest of the movie bored me to tears. It's basically 10-15 minutes of battle and over 2 hours of Alexander ranting and crying about everything. What happened to Alexander, the warrior king? What happened to all the epic moments in his life e.g. the burning of Thebes, the slaughter of the Greek mercenaries at Granicus, the siege of Tyre, the Gordian knot etc? Instead the movie tries to show us the most epic moment in Alexander's life was charging a war elephant...on horseback...and throwing his sword at it. Something which never even happened. It's kind of hard to do a biopic about Alexander when there are so many things to include. My hope is that HBO make an Alexander miniseries (about 4 seasons) in the future.
The movie is a fucking mess in terms of pacing and sequence, but individually the scenes are great, especially if you already know the history. I imagine with little historical knowledge and seeing the movie for the first time as a whole, it would just seem awful, which is the way most critics went into the movie.
It's historically accurate down to the teeth but it's screenplay pacing and the sequencing of its events are dogcrap and terrible asf not to mention Colin Farrells take at Alexander
For those who do not know, Hermolaus was a page that had his horse taken and himself scourged because on a hunt, he killed the prey before Alexander could. In his confession, he said he could not live without punishing Alexander for the humiliation he endured.
Farrell quotes this movie as the one that brought his by then enlarged ego crashing back to reality - " we all had our suits ready " , the cast and crew believed they had created something special only to have it crushed by punters and critics alike. Every now and again life gives you a kick to remind you you're not as big as you think, and the process makes us better for it.
This movie was great and they were right about it, reason is back in the days internet was not popular so people couldn't express their opinion, only "critics" could write on newspapers their opinions so 1000 people could've decided movie was bad and that all you would hear because normal people couldn't express their opinion anywhere
@@arcanewondersfann1567 Not just critics, but general audiences and even political figures across the world had a gay panic over the movie. It was 2004, and people don't want to admit their heroes might not be straight. There's a reason there aren't a lot of movies about Alexander.
They went too woke on the homosexual-angle, that was the mistake Stone made. Until VERY recently there was nothing in the history books to suggest man-on-man sex aside from having platonic love for Haephastion etc.
I'm very glad they put in this movie this part from history. It truly was a open question as to whether Parmenion had anything to do with the assassination attempt and whether he could be trusted to protect the supply lines and the return of the army after hearing of the death of his son. A hard choice, perhaps even in an unnecessary one, but one that Alexander was willing to make.
Greek here, he had nothing to do with the assassination attempt. Alexander had him killed to prevent the consequences of killing his son. Also, at that time period, the head of the family was automatically considered responsible for the actions of their children, even if he himself wasn't involved.
@@azazel166 thanks for the reply. As to your last paragraph, yes, I have heard of that same law but I've never been completely convinced that in the uncertainties of a military campaign it would have been actually enforced. Besides, the law, I don't think, gave authorization for a sudden homicide without (what back then passed for limited) due process of law.
He could have kept the boy alive and used him as a hostage, requesting Parmenion to come to Alexander. They should have both been given fair trials. If the son is guilty, his father will probably plead for his death sentence be commutated on account of his service. Or maybe he would have accepted a death sentence if he was proven to be guilty. Given Parmenion's importance, the cold blooded murder of of an old general that served his father is a great way to alienate your people. His son as well.
@@warrenhammer7262e issue is you run the risk of the father instead raising up in revolt. Remember he has 20k men under his command that guard Alexander’s supply lines meaning he has an army and can cut Alexander from supply at any time so by the time Alexander’s forces double back to quash the revolt he would have a weaker force due to supply shortages and his enemy would most likely have spent that time gaining allies and as such bolstering his forces putting Alexander up against equal or greater odds. It may be 3 days hard riding for a small force of men to reach him but that could take a whole army weeks to get there not to mention the enemy won’t stay still as they will want to choose the battlefield and take the time to let allies bolster their force. You may think having a son taken hostage is enough to make most men lay down their arms and submit but history has shown that some men driven by ambition and power are willing to sacrifice those closest to the to achieve their goals
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@@warrenhammer7262 Not when time is critical and news of a rebelion would have spreaded furthermore and lead to unseen challenges. In my oppinion Alexander did the right thing, a sad thing yes, but necesary. As I like to say it: whenever in doubt of Alexander's decisions, ask yourself what would Philip have done?? :D
Injustice by our standards. This was how Macedonians handled these things. Assassinations and plots were a daily occurrence and expected. If you failed, you could expect your entire family to be wiped out. Not only because they were likely conspirators, but because they would seek vengeance for the killing of their kin, just or not. If Philotus had to be killed, Parmenion had to be killed. After Alexander died, the Macedonians started massacring each other left and right. That was just how it was.
@@marbet2395 To my understanding, Macedonians were unique for their culture of treachery and family fighting. Royal Persians and Aristocratic Romans did it too at times, but not at the level of the Macedonians.
@@nerthus4685 yes they are all different and in various cultures things changed by time. But remember just how Darius arrived to have and maintain his title
@@defaultuser9423 Cloak and Dagger. Smoke and Mirrors. The long arm of justice can only punish what can be seen and proven. Even ordinary powerless people live by this rule. Thus the onld saying "it's only cheating if you get caught". People are inherently evil. The quicker you accept this happier you'll be.
Except it didn’t highlight how after getting defeated in india and getting a safe passage to flee, still died in the middle of nowhere and couldn’t return to his country 😏
No, it's pretty shit. It has a few cool moments but it had horrible casting, was a production nightmare, was not very historically accurate and somehow managed to piss off not only the Persians that are depicted as barbarians, but Greeks as well.
One of the truly beautiful moments in this movie. Such a shame about Parmenio, Philotas, Cleitus. I have to imagine Alexander hated these decisive moments.
Check out 1:54 everyone, they're discussing whether or no to kill Parmenion and Cassander is just standing in the background all shady. As the conversation develops Alexander turns back to look at him and he does a Stannis nod to influnece him toward assassination. It's how he solves problems. He eventually kills off the rest of Alexanders family.
@@Rokiriko do you mean like in the real life discussion I don't get what you mean because he is there at the time stamp? Sry it's late nd im tired might be misunderstanding...
@@Stephen-wb3wf In real history he didn't join Alexander and the others for years. There is still dispute over whether or not, and to what extent, Philotas and Parmenion were guilty. Their execution was urged by Hephaistion, out of fear for Alexander's power and safety, and Krateros (among others), who stood to gain power as a result of the removal of Parmenion and the liquidation of his faction and supporters. Ultimately, Hephaistion and Kleitos took over Philotas' old command.
@@Emy-fv5ny yes, but if you could meet them you would stand not only as king, but first amongst equals. Modern man cannot even begin to know how brutal life was back then.
@@vasilistsif3232 Seen him on multiple videos about Alexander, lots of FYROM wackos in the comments. Didn't know a naming dispute could make people so mad. Good that it's settled to North Macedonia now...
I liked this movie from the start. It was ahead of it's times and if you studied this period everything was fairly accurate and expected. A great period film.
Joker, Lt. Tom „Iceman“ Kazanski, Hannibal Lecter, Ser Meryn Trant, The Hound and Lara Croft wow.. Colin Farrell had some great characters by his side in this film!
@JustDeplorable In all likelihood, Roxanne and the other wives wouldn't have cheated, as it would have essentially been suicide. Barsine was a mistress in the same position, and Bagoas had little choice as to who he slept with. Hephaistion was married (albeit political), and probably had sexual relationships outside of Alexander, given the time period, which I suppose constitutes cheating; although at the time, monogamy wasn't a very solid concept. That being said, Hephaistion did put off marrying for a long while, and was undying loyal to Alexander, so it's possible he was monogamous (although Alexander wasn't), and wouldn't have 'cheated' on him. Sorry for the rant, lol.
In Plutarch's biography of Alexander he says Philotas was never informed of any conspiracy but had simply put off 2 Macedonian brothers who asked him to arrange a private audience with Alexander. If Philotas had wanted the conspiracy to succeed ( as other historians believe) wouldn't Philotas have tried to silence the 2 brothers either by ruse or violence?
I read that Philotas knew about the conspiracy but didn't inform Alexander or his bodyguards because he didn't take it seriously. Additionally, Philotas's mistress testified that he was bad mouthing Alexander during their 'pillow talk ' sessions. Which probably didnt help his case.
As a lover and former student of history with obsession for facts I never thought I will ever say this but, in an age where historical movies and people like Alexander the Great are slowly forgotten as our values are changing, this movie, whether is good or bad we should all be happy it exists.
Unfortunately the world wants to remember Alexander the icon, but nothing about who he was as a person because his sexuality is such a sore topic. It's like the Alamo. Remember, but forget everything it was about.
The killing of Parmenion was a huge act of injustice. Yes, I know he was powerful enough to pose a danger to Alexander's projects, but it would be better if they just exiled or imprisoned Philotas.
Injustice by our standards. This was how Macedonians handled these things. Assassinations and plots were a daily occurrence and expected. If you failed, you could expect your entire family to be wiped out. Not only because they were likely conspirators, but because they would seek vengeance for the killing of their kin, just or not. If Philotus had to be killed, Parmenion had to be killed. After Alexander died, the Macedonians started massacring each other left and right. That was just how it was.
in reality philotas was innocent.. he was favored by Philip an snitched on alexander to him when they were young. alexander never forgot this. also he was tortured an burned for hours then likely stoned to death
It may be that Alexander quite despised the old guard, and fabricating the ''conspiracy'' against him, by accusing Philotas, knowing that by killing him would have been necessary to kill Parmenion, he would have getting more power because even if he was king, Parmenion was still a hero among the soldiers and a political rival at the same time. The last one was Antipater and if Alexander would have not died, i am sure that he would have find a way to remove him from power
Yep - remember this well gay bois All Gangs - Nazis or commies - think of power aka God like Regulatory powers over every one's as so that the Gang can Rape, kill & consume as they please - Any Man who does not bow to the gang leader gets cut & his woman "regulated"
+Samuel Jones Sure Alexander could be very rude and horrible but he was also a youing warrior not backing down from the fight unless it was pure stupidity to participate in the fight such as the siege of the Sogdian rock. He boosted moral into his men by riding headfirst into battle, he was kind to Darius IIII's family, he punished Darius III's murderer. He dismissed eunuchs given to him by spoils of war, Except for Bagoas of course, he did as his heart desired and by the gods his heart was noble and like a lions heart. Fortune favors the bold! unlike some opersian kings who ordered castration of children. I mean look at Churchill. He ordered mass bombings of Dresden, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent women children and men, some that burned alive or heck many... boiled alive while seeking shelter in the water fountains and whatnot still hes venerated as a hero in west with statues and everything. Im gonna have to say Hitler was horrible but there is not quite anythiing like alexander have enever been probably will never be. It's just the nature of things a military general and commander have to be cruel sometimes.
In Plutarch's Life of Alexander Philotas is portrayed as innocent. All he does is put off Cebalinus who asked for an audience with Alexander. He's never told in concerns an assassination plot. Cebalinus later meets with Alexander and he tells him of the plot. When Alexander finds out Cebalinus has known of the plot for days Alexander is suspicious. Cebalinus and his brother then say they'd told Philotas of the plot when they asked him to arrange an audience. If Philotas wanted the plot to succeed he'd realize Cebalinus and his brother would need to be kept quiet one way or another. Plutarch portrays Alexander as influenced by Hephaistion and others to torture and execute Philotas. This seems much more realistic than Philotas knowing of the plot, doing nothing and then admitting he'd been told of it.
@@comteroi9219 Plutarch admits himself to writing biography rather than history. However he also list 14 writers whose histories or treatises of Alexander he was familiar with and most of these works are lost. Plutarch was hardly biased against Alexander as you can see in his overly charitable description of Alexander's heavy drinking. In one of these lost works he must have found a different version of the Philotas affair and thought it more likely to be true.
The Latin historian QUNTUS CURTIUS RUFUS (1 A.D.) Also testified that the ancient Macedonians spoke a separate language. He describes the trial of the Macedonian Philotas for contriving a plot to murder Alexander Macedonian. The plot was discovered and Philotas was publicity interrogated by Alexander . Describing this event, Quntus Curtius Rufus clearly stated that the Macedonians spoke separate Macedonia language 13). Not Greek sorry 😞
@@jordand1043 Is that a reply to my comment about Philotas? I don't think I mentioned language at all. However the names of the Macedonian months and gods, most names of geographic features, all personal names that I'm aware of and all surviving inscriptions and writings from Macedonia are in Greek. The Macedonians may have spoken a distinctive dialect but there's not a shred of evidence that they spoke another language.
@@jordand1043 i've read rufus's book several times. Maybe you mean that alexander the 3 was a slav,an albanian,a skopjan?? If so, how come he and his hetairoi all had greek names?? Was aristotle also not greek?? And did aristotle need google translate when he taught alexander and his hetairoi in mieza??
Crazy how people still love this young king thousands of years later no one from the past has had this honour but no one is as deserving of such reverence as he, no man will be remembered like alexander ever again
maybe Julius Caesar, but really Hannibal kind of deserves a good bit of credit for his knowledge of war too. he was pretty brilliant for a so-called Barbarian
Well I hope that you also noted that The Hound had some serious plastic surgery done and went on to be one of Alexander's field commanders, too. (1:45 - standing next to Ptolemy, who by the way changed his name to Lorenzo Medici and became the ruler of Florence, per DaVinci's Demons...)
0:15 This scene onwards alexander wasn't the same anymore. Only later while his best friend Hephaestion near death, he pretended being his former glorious self for the last time. His friend died knowing alexander only doing it out of love for him.
Roxanne was involved in the main of Alexander´s poisoning attempts, says Oliver Stone in the DVD´s comments. But Alexander always forgave her, because he wanted to have a child with her in any way possible, he was obsessed with this idea.
Funny, since Roxana hadn't even met Alexander by the time of The Philotas Affair, and was in no way involved with any further conspiracy. There's no evidence she bore any ill will towards him; their marriage was a political affair to secure Alexander's position in Bactria, not a matter of love (Plutarch is generally to be moralising when he claims that it is). Any involvement in a conspiracy against him would have meant her life, and she would have known that. Alexander could easily have married another woman. It just sounds like Stone's typical mishandling of history, which also tries to pit Hephaistion and Roxana against one another, an entirely absurd notion.
@@imme246 Stone was obsessed with the character of Roxanne...he´s always linking every Alexander´s romantic feeling towards her. I missed to see the real love between Alexander & Hephaestion anyway.
I prefer the version of the story where the pages were waiting to murder the king when he came to bed but he ended up getting lashed with the boys all night and never went to sleep and so the pages were eventually discovered in their plot.
I don't believe Farrell new how great a performance he proved this was and will be one of the most greatest movies in my books. Greatest scene for me was his last speech saying how they would be remembered for leaving him in Asia!!
It was a bit weird as previously he was very close to Parmenion and opposing every decision Alexander made (during the council of war & after the wedding scene)
@@Roadtoinferno Indeed. He was one of the old guards, and his views should match that of Parmenion rather than Alexander. However like any old coot he was loyal to his victorious king, and a stone cold realist when it comes to the game of thrones.
It is false that it is not historically accurate, you just have to understand that it is impossible to compact such a story in such a short space, and in this case the director did it brilliantly, with good actors and brilliant performances, remembering the Gaugamela scene which is considered one of the most successful military scenes in cinema. And about the Persians, in the eyes of the Greeks all those peoples who lived outside the Greek ecumene were considered barbarians (even the Macedonians themselves were once considered barbarians), and in this case it would be necessary to give considerable depth to the argument to see if, taking into account the negative connotations that the term "barbarian" has today, the Persians would adjust or not to that term. I consider this film to be a masterpiece, which allows us, with a great setting and an excellent soundtrack, to transport us to the Hellenistic world, to put ourselves in the shoes of those adventurous soldiers who did something extraordinary and explored the confines of their world. He even makes you understand and live his feelings in scenes like Clito's death or the scene in this video in question.
Although more common in ancient times, torture is a difficult subject even today. On the one hand it's obviously atrocious and unspiritual, *the only thing worse is assassination.* On the other hand, by finding out what is going to happen, as well as when and where, it can save lives, both military and civilian. However, this goes back to how closely a society wishes to remain converged with their Spiritual Principles. Because righteous individuals within a righteous society at large *would* be willing to suffer any pain to remain so converged, *knowing* that anyone who dies in the defence of remaining so converged *will* be reborn into a heavenly society. Individually there are serious issues also, because it is impossible to implement torture with a pure state of mind due to the *lack of an immediate* threat. Which means those involved with torture *at any level* will *believe* they can get away with anything without repercussion, to almost comical levels. This corruption reduces their ability to have virtuous interactions with *everyone,* effectively pointing them towards the hell planets. Unlike a righteous warrior converged in the Principles of Warrior Nobility roaming an open battlefield engaged in virtuous temporal/spiritual combat against an opposing force that is always looking to *immediately* destroy him. There are other issues too from a purely military standpoint because an Army that is *known* to not torture is more likely to be surrendered to, and surrender is the quickest method of victory. Especially when that Army is also *known* for using minimum force, rejoicing taking prisoners, and generally showing the utmost respect, even for their opponent's corpses. Because an Army *becomes honorable* by extending this utmost *Love & Compassion* as a matter of principle throughout all its warfaring. And by doing so it actually does *all that can be done* to ensure anyone captured will divulge *accurate* information voluntarily. Ultimately, the goal of a supremely noble society at large should be never *requiring* torture ever again by *any* means. And each individual must *believe* the path to achieving that *begins* with not *causing or even consenting* to torture *anywhere.* And each individual and society at large must have the Spiritual Strength to *continue* not torturing ever again under any circumstances despite whatever painful consequences may result. Because they will *know* there are both *temporal & spiritual benefits* to be gained from not torturing ever again that are superior to the lesser temporal benefits gained from torturing.
Interesting. I'd like to add that torture is also often impractical from a viewpoint not considering virtue at all: as you don't know how much the tortured person knows, the information revealed is not reliable - e.g. they would tell you names and plots they made up just so that the torture may stop. For example, the Bush administration received enough intelligence from their secret services to deduce that Bin Laden would attack the U.S. on homeground (they basically failed to connect the dots). The subsequent torture programme did not help to chase Bin Laden down, but it forever stained the U.S.' reputation as an honourable power. Really what you should do is to keep dangerous foes imprisoned in a respectful way and release less dangerous ones, then spy on them and learn about their contacts. Who speaks to whom is often more critical to know then what they are talking about.
Torturing is problematic in my opion if time is on your side you could gain Intel but enemies will tell you anything to stop it! and it does Not work on all men I know onething I would refuse to torture any person because its wrong but that's me.
@@Crafty_SpiritBin Landen was trained by CIA, Bush knew the attack would happen it was controlled demolition, just search operation black forest they wanted to do the same few years back to start a war with Castro was stopped by Kennedy
You bring up good points. Depends if enemys is evil or not, its complex. Is it self defense, ideological or greed based war, resources pillaging land,homes. If you push any human far enough survival instinct surfaces. Modern times we have truth serums which null need for torture. Violence is last resort more for self defense 4 self and family.
Truly heavy seen criticism I really like to sure enjoy this film movie. These are some powerful scenes and some Empire Army to the battles are very cool. Alexander is a speech at the ''at the edge of world'' is one of my favorite scenes of all time , I Love My Hero Alexander The Great from Egypt.
The soundtracks and just this movie in general should be put on a thick titanium disk to weather the time and catastrophes to come so that our survivors know at least a piece of their history. We dont want another nearly complete wipe of memory like the Younger Dryas comet impacts and the Great Flood caused by them. Because as you can see today, very few people believe stories, which are the only thing that survived the Great Flood/comet impacts. Stories no one wants to believe even though their foundations have recently been proven to be founded in reality.
Ahh so many incredible historical events that happened in Alexander's life, like the fist battle he fought at the side of his father, by crushing the Greek League, Siege to Tyre, the cut of the giordan knot, when be became Egypt Pharaoh, the burnt of Persepolis, etc...and they skipped them or just "talk" about them but instead they showed Alexander's bisexuality as the highlight of his life, I mean we already know he was man of his time, but he was not the legendary Alexander the Great because he was a gay King, but a conqueror, leader and military genius.
I think they should learn about him as a leader, conquer, and genius. They added some personal aspects to it, but having seen this movie years after it came out and years after I heard about the day controversy, I actually nowadays feel that the sexuality component of the B was very down played. It may have touched people's sensibilities more than it actually mattered to the plot of the film.
@@1p4142136 we cannot say anything about psychological aspects of ancient people, but we can understand political issues. This way of doing is the typical use of the Persian curt. Alexander was going to rule the Persian empire, so he adopted the Persian ceremonial
watched a good documentary on how Alexander may have been poised , by Cassander and his dad, Antipater , who Alexander mother was on bad terms with Antipater at the time
Ive read that also....Alexander sent Craterus home with 10,000 veterans to replace Antipater and for Antipater to come to Bablyon but he was an old man and sent his son Cassander to plead with Alexander to leave his father at home but to no avail and then maybe Cassander poisoned Alexander. Cassander later also had killed Roxane and her son Alexander the IV and Olmpias ,Alexanders mother.....
I think matthew mcconaughey would be a good actor to be cast as alexander. Not only does he have the looks but also is a better actor. His hair is rather like that of alexander. Even his face is similiar.
He wasnt grateful for anything he killed the one general he had with good judgement and who won all his battles. He also personally killed his friend who earlier on saved his life. He deserved an early death perhaps if he stopped while he was ahead he could have enjoyed life. Though Darius might have lost on the superficial basis in the cosmic sense even he outlived Alexander by 20 years or so... It is beffiting that this pompus back stabbing prick alexander who gloried over others achievements his whole life would be buried alive deep in a coma within a golden coffin. The gilded cage and hell he made for himself, I hope his last moments were spent screaming for help as his idiot companions didn’t know the difference between death and coma XD. They said “his divine body wouldnt decompose” of course they gave some ass kissing explanation for what was clearly signs of a catatonic state.
Alexander was not a great king. He was a bloodthirsty, megalomaniacal tyrant who killed many people. It amazes me how he is not mentioned and compared alongside the likes of Napoleon, Stalin, Mao and Hitler.
@@mrman5784 You seem to have such hatred for a long dead man. 'I hope his last moments were spend screaming for help...' Christ almighty mate, I think you are the one screaming for help. 🤣
If parmerion and philotus been spared they would ve easily usurperd that huge kingdom killing all the diodochi with him thats y he wanted 2 kill them he just needed the excuse. in the end ptolmey, selecius and casander reeped alexander hard work
Also, Parmenion was too dangerous at that point to keep alive. He could have shut off the train of supplies and reinforcements from the West to Alexander.
Well a roman legion was expected to cover 20 miles in 5 hours. That's on foot with supplies. I'd assume it would be double for a small group pressing themselves and their horses to cover the distance. Now I'm outta shape but can manage a mile in eleven to fourteen minutes. A well fed and maintained horse could nail it in 6 to 10 minutes. I'm saying this off the cuff so take all this with a grain if salt.
Hay criticas y tendria que averlas, ya que la pelicula de alejandro magno revela su pasión y vida al pie de la letra, que el mundo conozca su historia y comprenda que siempre habra amigos e enemigos y conspiraciones.
Parmenion was EXTREMELY popular with the troops, if he wanted to replace Alexandros he definitely was the only person able to pull it off. Filotas had to be killed as he was disloyal and Parmenion being innocent wouldn't stop him from revolting upon hearing the death of his last living child. Whether Parmenion was innocent or not was not the only reason getting rid of him made sense to Alexandros.
This was a historical love project, you will never get these type of movies anymore. I don't understand the negative reviews, loved it.
It was more well appreciated in Europe. North American audiences had trouble with the homo eroticism. Alexander Revisited is Stone's true vision, and it is one of my favorite movies.
I don't like this film (pacing mostly), but I'm really glad it was made. We need more historical films that bother themselves with, you know, history...
I agree one hundred percent. You can tell this was made by someone who loves Alexander’s story. I’ve always been fascinated by the whole history of Alexander, his father and the wars of the Diadochi. I think this movie is great. It was made for fans of history. Not your average Joe who wants to see the next big blockbuster with lots of cool sword fights.
In short, no actual confirmed reports ever indicated Alexander was gay. In fact, multiple historical records stated that Alexander was very disciplined in sexuality, seeking it only with one of his wives, even scolding leaders for sleeping with others unless they were married too often (even though it was common, especially among soldiers in that era). He cited it as something that could bring ruin to people and unworthy of noble leaders.
Also, it has a LOT of inaccuracies concerning the depictions of Persians. In conjunction, it comes off as more a historical documentary style rather than an epic movie, being over narrated.
All in all, it was inaccurate, talky, lengthy and didn't seem to portray Alexander as history or scribes that witnessed him described him.
[]@@azraelknightquest5754 cope
People seem to fail to understand how serious such an act truly is. Almost being assassinated by those you trust and have grown up with.
I can tell you that I would have become completely paranoid and mad with rage if I had been in the same position as Alexander
He was gay.
No you wouldn't, they said they wanted to go home and you would have kept them there, fighting in perpetuity. You would have expected it.
@@yani2499 No, you gay
Besides heavy criticism I really enjoy this movie. There are some powerful scenes and some battles are very cool. Alexander's speech at the ''edge of the world'' is one of my favorite scenes of all time.
I just saw it yesterday for the first time and I find this criticism unfair. Its incredibly just how histoircally correct the entirety of the movie is. Especially the battle at gaugamela playing out 99% like the real version
I will commend the movie based on historical accuracy towards the Battle of Gaugamela, but the rest of the movie bored me to tears. It's basically 10-15 minutes of battle and over 2 hours of Alexander ranting and crying about everything. What happened to Alexander, the warrior king? What happened to all the epic moments in his life e.g. the burning of Thebes, the slaughter of the Greek mercenaries at Granicus, the siege of Tyre, the Gordian knot etc? Instead the movie tries to show us the most epic moment in Alexander's life was charging a war elephant...on horseback...and throwing his sword at it. Something which never even happened.
It's kind of hard to do a biopic about Alexander when there are so many things to include. My hope is that HBO make an Alexander miniseries (about 4 seasons) in the future.
The movie is a fucking mess in terms of pacing and sequence, but individually the scenes are great, especially if you already know the history. I imagine with little historical knowledge and seeing the movie for the first time as a whole, it would just seem awful, which is the way most critics went into the movie.
@@michaelwong6050 its a long and great life they should make a tv show w 4 or 5 seasons
It's historically accurate down to the teeth but it's screenplay pacing and the sequencing of its events are dogcrap and terrible asf not to mention Colin Farrells take at Alexander
It's actually pretty interesting that Alexander ordered the assassination from Samarkand, Uzbekistan. There's still a hotel there named "Alexander".
@@rustomkanishka *Interesting*
@@rustomkanishka Not to mention the time he did that and the entire scale of it. Its quite interesting and yes, pretty cool.
@Vili Koivula and a nuclear weapon of the time.. The sarisa.
From Samarkand? Wasn't this in Drangiana, at least half a year before they reached Maracanda?
Komet ☄️
For those who do not know, Hermolaus was a page that had his horse taken and himself scourged because on a hunt, he killed the prey before Alexander could.
In his confession, he said he could not live without punishing Alexander for the humiliation he endured.
Himself scourged?
@@ericarona8599 He was hit with a whip.
What I dont get is why was Philotas charged for the conspiracy
@@julioacceus253Maybe I'm slow, but I never gathered that either....
@@julioacceus253 He didn't report it.
When this movie was released, audiences weren't ready for it. As time goes on, it gets better.
Ahead of its time it was.
Never watched it, or heard of it. Care to explain?
The movie sucked then and it still sucks now
Being gay wasn't something that got you a ceo position back then
@Edwin Sone
Yeah, fair enough. Even in the clip I was wondering why everyone was so Irish.
2:19 the document just says TAX SYSTEM in a Greek style font. Had a bit of a chuckle.
lol
@ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ is МАКЕДОНИЈА hi slav
@@Mr.Pen1S48 hi slave
Oh geez lol
Were are the Greeks during this ???
Yes we were not there YET until 1829 A.D.
Casander was the one true enemy of Alexander.
Yep, he wiped out his entire bloodline.
Our true enemy has yet to reveal himself.
Yea that guy was a prick
Well i like the portray of his character in this movie, vicious, his omnipresence in decisive moments in the movie, the power in the shadows
@@memnoch9418 just when I thought I was out. Alexander pulls me back in!
Farrell quotes this movie as the one that brought his by then enlarged ego crashing back to reality - " we all had our suits ready " , the cast and crew believed they had created something special only to have it crushed by punters and critics alike. Every now and again life gives you a kick to remind you you're not as big as you think, and the process makes us better for it.
well the movie was not great it was no kingdom of heaven or even troy. it was a -B at best.
This movie was great and they were right about it, reason is back in the days internet was not popular so people couldn't express their opinion, only "critics" could write on newspapers their opinions so 1000 people could've decided movie was bad and that all you would hear because normal people couldn't express their opinion anywhere
@@arcanewondersfann1567 Not just critics, but general audiences and even political figures across the world had a gay panic over the movie. It was 2004, and people don't want to admit their heroes might not be straight. There's a reason there aren't a lot of movies about Alexander.
They went too woke on the homosexual-angle, that was the mistake Stone made. Until VERY recently there was nothing in the history books to suggest man-on-man sex aside from having platonic love for Haephastion etc.
@jorawarsingh2595 it's definitely better than Troy. Maybe not kingdom of heaven though
I'm very glad they put in this movie this part from history. It truly was a open question as to whether Parmenion had anything to do with the assassination attempt and whether he could be trusted to protect the supply lines and the return of the army after hearing of the death of his son. A hard choice, perhaps even in an unnecessary one, but one that Alexander was willing to make.
Greek here, he had nothing to do with the assassination attempt.
Alexander had him killed to prevent the consequences of killing his son.
Also, at that time period, the head of the family was automatically considered responsible for the actions of their children, even if he himself wasn't involved.
@@azazel166 thanks for the reply.
As to your last paragraph, yes, I have heard of that same law but I've never been completely convinced that in the uncertainties of a military campaign it would have been actually enforced. Besides, the law, I don't think, gave authorization for a sudden homicide without (what back then passed for limited) due process of law.
He could have kept the boy alive and used him as a hostage, requesting Parmenion to come to Alexander. They should have both been given fair trials. If the son is guilty, his father will probably plead for his death sentence be commutated on account of his service. Or maybe he would have accepted a death sentence if he was proven to be guilty.
Given Parmenion's importance, the cold blooded murder of of an old general that served his father is a great way to alienate your people. His son as well.
@@warrenhammer7262e issue is you run the risk of the father instead raising up in revolt. Remember he has 20k men under his command that guard Alexander’s supply lines meaning he has an army and can cut Alexander from supply at any time so by the time Alexander’s forces double back to quash the revolt he would have a weaker force due to supply shortages and his enemy would most likely have spent that time gaining allies and as such bolstering his forces putting Alexander up against equal or greater odds. It may be 3 days hard riding for a small force of men to reach him but that could take a whole army weeks to get there not to mention the enemy won’t stay still as they will want to choose the battlefield and take the time to let allies bolster their force. You may think having a son taken hostage is enough to make most men lay down their arms and submit but history has shown that some men driven by ambition and power are willing to sacrifice those closest to the to achieve their goals
@@warrenhammer7262 Not when time is critical and news of a rebelion would have spreaded furthermore and lead to unseen challenges. In my oppinion Alexander did the right thing, a sad thing yes, but necesary. As I like to say it: whenever in doubt of Alexander's decisions, ask yourself what would Philip have done?? :D
Injustice by our standards. This was how Macedonians handled these things. Assassinations and plots were a daily occurrence and expected. If you failed, you could expect your entire family to be wiped out. Not only because they were likely conspirators, but because they would seek vengeance for the killing of their kin, just or not. If Philotus had to be killed, Parmenion had to be killed.
After Alexander died, the Macedonians started massacring each other left and right. That was just how it was.
This is how things are still handled at the higher echelons of power. It's just become a lot more underhanded and hidden in our time.
Was it different between Persians or Romans or in every cultures for centuries?
@@marbet2395 To my understanding, Macedonians were unique for their culture of treachery and family fighting. Royal Persians and Aristocratic Romans did it too at times, but not at the level of the Macedonians.
@@nerthus4685 yes they are all different and in various cultures things changed by time. But remember just how Darius arrived to have and maintain his title
@@defaultuser9423 Cloak and Dagger. Smoke and Mirrors. The long arm of justice can only punish what can be seen and proven. Even ordinary powerless people live by this rule. Thus the onld saying "it's only cheating if you get caught". People are inherently evil. The quicker you accept this happier you'll be.
This movie is a piece of a real genius. And I think its full recognition is still yet to come.
Amen
Except it didn’t highlight how after getting defeated in india and getting a safe passage to flee, still died in the middle of nowhere and couldn’t return to his country 😏
No, it's pretty shit. It has a few cool moments but it had horrible casting, was a production nightmare, was not very historically accurate and somehow managed to piss off not only the Persians that are depicted as barbarians, but Greeks as well.
@@coltonreeves6893 wth? It was actually pretty historically accurate and good casting. You just have shit taste in history movies.
Yea man I don't understand why so many people trashed this movie....I just saw it now for the 2d time and it's amazing.
One of the truly beautiful moments in this movie. Such a shame about Parmenio, Philotas, Cleitus. I have to imagine Alexander hated these decisive moments.
Whaaaaaaaaaaat Cleitus was killed because aleexander was drunk and later wated to kil himself because he realised that was mistake
Check out 1:54 everyone, they're discussing whether or no to kill Parmenion and Cassander is just standing in the background all shady. As the conversation develops Alexander turns back to look at him and he does a Stannis nod to influnece him toward assassination.
It's how he solves problems. He eventually kills off the rest of Alexanders family.
Stannis?
Only problem with that being that Cass was not there.
@@Rokiriko do you mean like in the real life discussion I don't get what you mean because he is there at the time stamp? Sry it's late nd im tired might be misunderstanding...
@@Stephen-wb3wf In real history he didn't join Alexander and the others for years. There is still dispute over whether or not, and to what extent, Philotas and Parmenion were guilty. Their execution was urged by Hephaistion, out of fear for Alexander's power and safety, and Krateros (among others), who stood to gain power as a result of the removal of Parmenion and the liquidation of his faction and supporters. Ultimately, Hephaistion and Kleitos took over Philotas' old command.
@@imme246Great story bro what does that have to do with my comment about the movie scene here.
To be a Macedonian monarch was an unbelievable challenge.
Awful
@@Emy-fv5ny yes, but if you could meet them you would stand not only as king, but first amongst equals. Modern man cannot even begin to know how brutal life was back then.
2:18 ΤΑΧ ΣΥΣΤΕΜ
hahah I saw that. Wish they would have used Greek words
@@anniegutierrez87 That would be ΦΟΡΟΛΟΓΙΚΟ ΣΥΣΤΗΜΑ in Greek, but it's funnier this way
Απο τότε το ελληνικό κράτος είχε φορολογία 😂
@Republic Of Macedonia Well that came out of nowhere.. are you feeling well mate?
@@vasilistsif3232 Seen him on multiple videos about Alexander, lots of FYROM wackos in the comments. Didn't know a naming dispute could make people so mad. Good that it's settled to North Macedonia now...
2:48 Finally opening the text book night before an exam
LMFAOOOO
😂
I liked this movie from the start. It was ahead of it's times and if you studied this period everything was fairly accurate and expected. A great period film.
Joker, Lt. Tom „Iceman“ Kazanski, Hannibal Lecter, Ser Meryn Trant, The Hound and Lara Croft wow.. Colin Farrell had some great characters by his side in this film!
Cassander just watching and waiting...
@NoGood007 in the film It portrays him; and Roxana a little closer in certain parts
@JustDeplorable In all likelihood, Roxanne and the other wives wouldn't have cheated, as it would have essentially been suicide. Barsine was a mistress in the same position, and Bagoas had little choice as to who he slept with. Hephaistion was married (albeit political), and probably had sexual relationships outside of Alexander, given the time period, which I suppose constitutes cheating; although at the time, monogamy wasn't a very solid concept. That being said, Hephaistion did put off marrying for a long while, and was undying loyal to Alexander, so it's possible he was monogamous (although Alexander wasn't), and wouldn't have 'cheated' on him.
Sorry for the rant, lol.
Jonathan Rhys Meyers was great as Cassander
In Plutarch's biography of Alexander he says Philotas was never informed of any conspiracy but had simply put off 2 Macedonian brothers who asked him to arrange a private audience with Alexander. If Philotas had wanted the conspiracy to succeed ( as other historians believe) wouldn't Philotas have tried to silence the 2 brothers either by ruse or violence?
In this movie, they are combining the conspiracy of the pages with the philotas affair and the killing of parmenion
@@thehistoryguy4277 great movie !
I read that Philotas knew about the conspiracy but didn't inform Alexander or his bodyguards because he didn't take it seriously. Additionally, Philotas's mistress testified that he was bad mouthing Alexander during their 'pillow talk ' sessions. Which probably didnt help his case.
@@vmro9446 what's the movie called
As a lover and former student of history with obsession for facts I never thought I will ever say this but, in an age where historical movies and people like Alexander the Great are slowly forgotten as our values are changing, this movie, whether is good or bad we should all be happy it exists.
slowly forgotten by whom, not by me for sure...
The world is yet to forget Alexander!
Unfortunately the world wants to remember Alexander the icon, but nothing about who he was as a person because his sexuality is such a sore topic. It's like the Alamo. Remember, but forget everything it was about.
That actor asked the director to throw to him a real spear for the realism of the shot..... what a F*cking legend.
This movie ages so well
The killing of Parmenion was a huge act of injustice. Yes, I know he was powerful enough to pose a danger to Alexander's projects, but it would be better if they just exiled or imprisoned Philotas.
That's exactly what i thought. Parmenion and his son Philotus had done way too much good for Alexander's cause.
@Fabian Moye Absolutely. They upheld that flank for hours longer than they should have been able to. At least I think they did
Injustice by our standards. This was how Macedonians handled these things. Assassinations and plots were a daily occurrence and expected. If you failed, you could expect your entire family to be wiped out. Not only because they were likely conspirators, but because they would seek vengeance for the killing of their kin, just or not. If Philotus had to be killed, Parmenion had to be killed.
After Alexander died, the Macedonians started massacring each other left and right. That was just how it was.
"As long as they are lost they can be believed in". Sometimes the only way to stop the venom is to kill the snake.
In my opinion that philatos was guilty as he didn’t inform Alexander of the conspiracy
in reality philotas was innocent.. he was favored by Philip an snitched on alexander to him when they were young. alexander never forgot this. also he was tortured an burned for hours then likely stoned to death
James Becker snitches get stitches!
Philotas got more than just stitches;)
It may be that Alexander quite despised the old guard, and fabricating the ''conspiracy'' against him, by accusing Philotas, knowing that by killing him would have been necessary to kill Parmenion, he would have getting more power because even if he was king, Parmenion was still a hero among the soldiers and a political rival at the same time. The last one was Antipater and if Alexander would have not died, i am sure that he would have find a way to remove him from power
Yep - remember this well gay bois
All Gangs - Nazis or commies - think of power aka God like Regulatory powers over every one's as so that the Gang can Rape, kill & consume as they please - Any Man who does not bow to the gang leader gets cut & his woman "regulated"
+Samuel Jones Sure Alexander could be very rude and horrible but he was also a youing warrior not backing down from the fight unless it was pure stupidity to participate in the fight such as the siege of the Sogdian rock. He boosted moral into his men by riding headfirst into battle, he was kind to Darius IIII's family, he punished Darius III's murderer. He dismissed eunuchs given to him by spoils of war, Except for Bagoas of course, he did as his heart desired and by the gods his heart was noble and like a lions heart. Fortune favors the bold! unlike some opersian kings who ordered castration of children. I mean look at Churchill. He ordered mass bombings of Dresden, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent women children and men, some that burned alive or heck many... boiled alive while seeking shelter in the water fountains and whatnot still hes venerated as a hero in west with statues and everything. Im gonna have to say Hitler was horrible but there is not quite anythiing like alexander have enever been probably will never be. It's just the nature of things a military general and commander have to be cruel sometimes.
In Plutarch's Life of Alexander Philotas is portrayed as innocent. All he does is put off Cebalinus who asked for an audience with Alexander. He's never told in concerns an assassination plot.
Cebalinus later meets with Alexander and he tells him of the plot. When Alexander finds out Cebalinus has known of the plot for days Alexander is suspicious. Cebalinus and his brother then say they'd told Philotas of the plot when they asked him to arrange an audience. If Philotas wanted the plot to succeed he'd realize Cebalinus and his brother would need to be kept quiet one way or another. Plutarch portrays Alexander as influenced by Hephaistion and others to torture and execute Philotas. This seems much more realistic than Philotas knowing of the plot, doing nothing and then admitting he'd been told of it.
To be fair, Plutarch isn't exactly the best source for this, or any period.
@@comteroi9219 Plutarch admits himself to writing biography rather than history. However he also list 14 writers whose histories or treatises of Alexander he was familiar with and most of these works are lost. Plutarch was hardly biased against Alexander as you can see in his overly charitable description of Alexander's heavy drinking. In one of these lost works he must have found a different version of the Philotas affair and thought it more likely to be true.
The Latin historian QUNTUS CURTIUS RUFUS (1 A.D.) Also testified that the ancient Macedonians spoke a separate language. He describes the trial of the Macedonian Philotas for contriving a plot to murder Alexander Macedonian. The plot was discovered and Philotas was publicity interrogated by Alexander . Describing this event, Quntus Curtius Rufus clearly stated that the Macedonians spoke separate Macedonia language 13).
Not Greek sorry 😞
@@jordand1043 Is that a reply to my comment about Philotas?
I don't think I mentioned language at all.
However the names of the Macedonian months and gods, most names of geographic features, all personal names that I'm aware of and all surviving inscriptions and writings from Macedonia are in Greek. The Macedonians may have spoken a distinctive dialect but there's not a shred of evidence that they spoke another language.
@@jordand1043 i've read rufus's book several times. Maybe you mean that alexander the 3 was a slav,an albanian,a skopjan?? If so, how come he and his hetairoi all had greek names?? Was aristotle also not greek?? And did aristotle need google translate when he taught alexander and his hetairoi in mieza??
Hold on, can we talk about how COOL his teacup is?
Crazy how people still love this young king thousands of years later no one from the past has had this honour but no one is as deserving of such reverence as he, no man will be remembered like alexander ever again
Alexander is the greatest man who ever lived, none have ever and none ever will match his achievements
maybe Julius Caesar, but really Hannibal kind of deserves a good bit of credit for his knowledge of war too. he was pretty brilliant for a so-called Barbarian
what about Caesar or Napoleon
@@OhioOwns nope
@@eddiesid1149 how odd, several learned ppl say Hannibal was one of the sharpest military minds that ever existed.......................
1:33 Eye see Sir Meryn Trant managed to get one of his eye balls back and survived Arya Stark.
Well I hope that you also noted that The Hound had some serious plastic surgery done and went on to be one of Alexander's field commanders, too. (1:45 - standing next to Ptolemy, who by the way changed his name to Lorenzo Medici and became the ruler of Florence, per DaVinci's Demons...)
1:02 Sometimes it's good to have a few friends
That’s what you get for betraying William Wallace!
0:15 This scene onwards alexander wasn't the same anymore. Only later while his best friend Hephaestion near death, he pretended being his former glorious self for the last time. His friend died knowing alexander only doing it out of love for him.
I’ve found that some of the Ridley Scott epics like Kingdom of heaven, and Alexander - have aged very well.
Alexander is from Oliver Stone, not Ridley Scott.
My man Klaus got pierced
i came here for Klaus and yours is the only comment i found about him
Stella Sarsoni same
Thats the most badass firing squad I've ever seen
Roxanne was involved in the main of
Alexander´s poisoning attempts, says Oliver Stone in the DVD´s comments. But Alexander always forgave her, because he wanted to have a child with her in any way possible, he was obsessed with this idea.
Funny, since Roxana hadn't even met Alexander by the time of The Philotas Affair, and was in no way involved with any further conspiracy. There's no evidence she bore any ill will towards him; their marriage was a political affair to secure Alexander's position in Bactria, not a matter of love (Plutarch is generally to be moralising when he claims that it is). Any involvement in a conspiracy against him would have meant her life, and she would have known that. Alexander could easily have married another woman. It just sounds like Stone's typical mishandling of history, which also tries to pit Hephaistion and Roxana against one another, an entirely absurd notion.
@@imme246 Stone was obsessed with the character of Roxanne...he´s always linking every Alexander´s romantic feeling towards her.
I missed to see the real love between Alexander & Hephaestion anyway.
@@barbaradenicomedia114lmao
Ignorant@@slimebeingslimey8266
I prefer the version of the story where the pages were waiting to murder the king when he came to bed but he ended up getting lashed with the boys all night and never went to sleep and so the pages were eventually discovered in their plot.
I think this movie greatly depicts the fucked up aspects of policies that reigned for most of human history
you are speaking as though the current would be workable and less fucked up. hardly it is.
I think it was Cassander not Philotas
I don't believe Farrell new how great a performance he proved this was and will be one of the most greatest movies in my books. Greatest scene for me was his last speech saying how they would be remembered for leaving him in Asia!!
1:15 Executioner: "Oké, try not to move..."
Antigonus recommended to Alexander the absolute necessity of killing Parmenion. And yet later he cradled his dying old friend in his arms as well....
It was a bit weird as previously he was very close to Parmenion and opposing every decision Alexander made (during the council of war & after the wedding scene)
@@Roadtoinferno Indeed. He was one of the old guards, and his views should match that of Parmenion rather than Alexander.
However like any old coot he was loyal to his victorious king, and a stone cold realist when it comes to the game of thrones.
Perhaps Alexander was also testing both Antigonus and Cleitus' loyalty, as they were both from the old guard.
It is false that it is not historically accurate, you just have to understand that it is impossible to compact such a story in such a short space, and in this case the director did it brilliantly, with good actors and brilliant performances, remembering the Gaugamela scene which is considered one of the most successful military scenes in cinema. And about the Persians, in the eyes of the Greeks all those peoples who lived outside the Greek ecumene were considered barbarians (even the Macedonians themselves were once considered barbarians), and in this case it would be necessary to give considerable depth to the argument to see if, taking into account the negative connotations that the term "barbarian" has today, the Persians would adjust or not to that term. I consider this film to be a masterpiece, which allows us, with a great setting and an excellent soundtrack, to transport us to the Hellenistic world, to put ourselves in the shoes of those adventurous soldiers who did something extraordinary and explored the confines of their world. He even makes you understand and live his feelings in scenes like Clito's death or the scene in this video in question.
Macedonian you fool
Although more common in ancient times, torture is a difficult subject even today. On the one hand it's obviously atrocious and unspiritual, *the only thing worse is assassination.* On the other hand, by finding out what is going to happen, as well as when and where, it can save lives, both military and civilian. However, this goes back to how closely a society wishes to remain converged with their Spiritual Principles. Because righteous individuals within a righteous society at large *would* be willing to suffer any pain to remain so converged, *knowing* that anyone who dies in the defence of remaining so converged *will* be reborn into a heavenly society.
Individually there are serious issues also, because it is impossible to implement torture with a pure state of mind due to the *lack of an immediate* threat. Which means those involved with torture *at any level* will *believe* they can get away with anything without repercussion, to almost comical levels. This corruption reduces their ability to have virtuous interactions with *everyone,* effectively pointing them towards the hell planets. Unlike a righteous warrior converged in the Principles of Warrior Nobility roaming an open battlefield engaged in virtuous temporal/spiritual combat against an opposing force that is always looking to *immediately* destroy him.
There are other issues too from a purely military standpoint because an Army that is *known* to not torture is more likely to be surrendered to, and surrender is the quickest method of victory. Especially when that Army is also *known* for using minimum force, rejoicing taking prisoners, and generally showing the utmost respect, even for their opponent's corpses. Because an Army *becomes honorable* by extending this utmost *Love & Compassion* as a matter of principle throughout all its warfaring. And by doing so it actually does *all that can be done* to ensure anyone captured will divulge *accurate* information voluntarily.
Ultimately, the goal of a supremely noble society at large should be never *requiring* torture ever again by *any* means. And each individual must *believe* the path to achieving that *begins* with not *causing or even consenting* to torture *anywhere.* And each individual and society at large must have the Spiritual Strength to *continue* not torturing ever again under any circumstances despite whatever painful consequences may result. Because they will *know* there are both *temporal & spiritual benefits* to be gained from not torturing ever again that are superior to the lesser temporal benefits gained from torturing.
Interesting. I'd like to add that torture is also often impractical from a viewpoint not considering virtue at all: as you don't know how much the tortured person knows, the information revealed is not reliable - e.g. they would tell you names and plots they made up just so that the torture may stop. For example, the Bush administration received enough intelligence from their secret services to deduce that Bin Laden would attack the U.S. on homeground (they basically failed to connect the dots). The subsequent torture programme did not help to chase Bin Laden down, but it forever stained the U.S.' reputation as an honourable power. Really what you should do is to keep dangerous foes imprisoned in a respectful way and release less dangerous ones, then spy on them and learn about their contacts. Who speaks to whom is often more critical to know then what they are talking about.
Torturing is problematic in my opion if time is on your side you could gain Intel but enemies will tell you anything to stop it! and it does Not work on all men I know onething I would refuse to torture any person because its wrong but that's me.
@@Crafty_SpiritBin Landen was trained by CIA, Bush knew the attack would happen it was controlled demolition, just search operation black forest they wanted to do the same few years back to start a war with Castro was stopped by Kennedy
problem with torture is that its very effective in taking fake confessions but power just wants some guilty to blame and hang for the flock to applaud
You bring up good points. Depends if enemys is evil or not, its complex. Is it self defense, ideological or greed based war, resources pillaging land,homes. If you push any human far enough survival instinct surfaces. Modern times we have truth serums which null need for torture. Violence is last resort more for self defense 4 self and family.
Claus lives through ages !
My favorite part was realizing Joseph Morgan had acted as Philotas
For those who came here for Joseph Morgan (a.k.a) Klaus
0:43
“None of Us *defended* Philotus;
but, then again,
None of Us ever *Liked* him….
…..and of course, His *Power*
was carved-up by *The Rest of Us* -
أضخم انتاج عالمي في تاريخ السينما العالمية ،جرى تمثيله في نواحي مراكش بمنطقة امزميز تبعد عن مراكش بحولي55 كلم.
Those we hold closely sometimes are the real true enemies
Loved the movie!! Love Colin😍
Truly heavy seen criticism I really like to sure enjoy this film movie. These are some powerful scenes and some Empire Army to the battles are very cool. Alexander is a speech at the ''at the edge of world'' is one of my favorite scenes of all time , I Love My Hero Alexander The Great from Egypt.
Colin farrel is not convincing as Alexander..that pretty much spoils the movie
I'm sorry Alexander, I just don't want to be friends anymore. - Philotus
Another chapter in Klaus' life
Damn Klaus let himself go in Ancient Greece..
its weird; out of all the characters, Cassander'a scenes mostly show him being alone. Aside from him standing next to Roxanna here.
And its curious because casander never goes with alexander, he stay in macedon. It's say that he despise him
That's Bagoas lol
The power in the shadows.
0:25 this guy is gorgeous, he looks like he came out of an old painting 😍
Alexander: dammit Klaus ...
3:26 to 3:27 is that Alexandong the Great between his legs?
Yes
yep
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😂😂😂😂
The soundtracks and just this movie in general should be put on a thick titanium disk to weather the time and catastrophes to come so that our survivors know at least a piece of their history. We dont want another nearly complete wipe of memory like the Younger Dryas comet impacts and the Great Flood caused by them. Because as you can see today, very few people believe stories, which are the only thing that survived the Great Flood/comet impacts. Stories no one wants to believe even though their foundations have recently been proven to be founded in reality.
Wisdom words.
If he would have not faced bangers in Punjab, it would be hard for anyone to conspire against him
Alexander bout to get some bussy
Kinda
Ahh so many incredible historical events that happened in Alexander's life, like the fist battle he fought at the side of his father, by crushing the Greek League, Siege to Tyre, the cut of the giordan knot, when be became Egypt Pharaoh, the burnt of Persepolis, etc...and they skipped them or just "talk" about them but instead they showed Alexander's bisexuality as the highlight of his life, I mean we already know he was man of his time, but he was not the legendary Alexander the Great because he was a gay King, but a conqueror, leader and military genius.
yea what was all that stuff at the end
I think they should learn about him as a leader, conquer, and genius. They added some personal aspects to it, but having seen this movie years after it came out and years after I heard about the day controversy, I actually nowadays feel that the sexuality component of the B was very down played. It may have touched people's sensibilities more than it actually mattered to the plot of the film.
@@theoutlook55 lets not say it wasn't a good film and what it took to make i more appealing to me
True
there is literally zero evidence he was even gay at all. but they made this movie half way to a gay porno.
Joseph Morgan is an amazing actor!
Tactic and thank God for the confusion and yes I need to communicate with.....😮
It’s documented that Alexander began to exhibit signs of megalomania and paranoia.
Documented?!
It’s inferred from his actions such as demanding his subjects to kneel before him when addressing him.
@@1p4142136 we cannot say anything about psychological aspects of ancient people, but we can understand political issues. This way of doing is the typical use of the Persian curt. Alexander was going to rule the Persian empire, so he adopted the Persian ceremonial
watched a good documentary on how Alexander may have been poised , by Cassander and his dad, Antipater , who Alexander mother was on bad terms with Antipater at the time
Ive read that also....Alexander sent Craterus home with 10,000 veterans to replace Antipater and for Antipater to come to Bablyon but he was an old man and sent his son Cassander to plead with Alexander to leave his father at home but to no avail and then maybe Cassander poisoned Alexander. Cassander later also had killed Roxane and her son Alexander the IV and Olmpias ,Alexanders mother.....
Down with the traitors!!!
I think matthew mcconaughey would be a good actor to be cast as alexander. Not only does he have the looks but also is a better actor. His hair is rather like that of alexander. Even his face is similiar.
Always thought the same. He’s a little too old now, but it would have worked in his 20s and 30s.
Anglo Commando And Farrell is 5’10”. So? Was any of us there to confirm? Would that really be what takes us out?
I would never be able to betray such a great king, anyway I'm to loyal for my own good anyway
He wasnt grateful for anything he killed the one general he had with good judgement and who won all his battles. He also personally killed his friend who earlier on saved his life. He deserved an early death perhaps if he stopped while he was ahead he could have enjoyed life. Though Darius might have lost on the superficial basis in the cosmic sense even he outlived Alexander by 20 years or so... It is beffiting that this pompus back stabbing prick alexander who gloried over others achievements his whole life would be buried alive deep in a coma within a golden coffin. The gilded cage and hell he made for himself, I hope his last moments were spent screaming for help as his idiot companions didn’t know the difference between death and coma XD. They said “his divine body wouldnt decompose” of course they gave some ass kissing explanation for what was clearly signs of a catatonic state.
Alexander was not a great king. He was a bloodthirsty, megalomaniacal tyrant who killed many people. It amazes me how he is not mentioned and compared alongside the likes of Napoleon, Stalin, Mao and Hitler.
@@michaelwong6050 What do you mean? thats how it worked back then
Eh, when you kept driving farther and farther from your home for one man's glory, you may change your tunem
@@mrman5784 You seem to have such hatred for a long dead man. 'I hope his last moments were spend screaming for help...' Christ almighty mate, I think you are the one screaming for help. 🤣
The wolves kill each others
MEN kill each other, not Wolves. You're an absolute IGNORANT about Wolves.
Did Alexander the Great have an Irish accent 🤔
A movie which the Boomers couldn’t possibly have the bandwidth to ever appreciate
3:25 ha! Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy!
just a tad
Hahahahaha you just made me laugh
If parmerion and philotus been spared they would ve easily usurperd that huge kingdom killing all the diodochi with him thats y he wanted 2 kill them he just needed the excuse. in the end ptolmey, selecius and casander reeped alexander hard work
The Aesthetics Candy Cookie Gameplays Food Poisoning Gameplays also have been cancelled ended.
Very unconvincing Alexander.
"Alexander was too in love with Glory." You got that right.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleos
nice alexander made his enemies feel he was empty handed
real Icarus moment
Niklaus Mikaelson what are you doing here😭
This is serial part of "this land is mine"
It was Greek social law that the fault of the son lies on the father as well and both are punished as a result.
Also, Parmenion was too dangerous at that point to keep alive. He could have shut off the train of supplies and reinforcements from the West to Alexander.
byt Philotas was not guily either.
Were are the Greeks during this ???????
Not yet
@@jordand1043 heard of the Hellenistic period
@@jordand1043 whats the etymology of the name Alexandros in bulgarian?
Colin Farrell is the most ridiculous Alexander imaginable. No wonder it failed.
Exactly how many miles can be covered by "three days hard riding?"
Well a roman legion was expected to cover 20 miles in 5 hours. That's on foot with supplies. I'd assume it would be double for a small group pressing themselves and their horses to cover the distance.
Now I'm outta shape but can manage a mile in eleven to fourteen minutes.
A well fed and maintained horse could nail it in 6 to 10 minutes.
I'm saying this off the cuff so take all this with a grain if salt.
Alexander was one of the most honorable kings ever walked on earth. He wasnt gay. Shame on everyone involved in spreding that conspiracy
Foolish to see love between two men as a weakness.
Well he wasnt gay, that is very clear.
Now Bisexual, most likely he was, but no one knows for sure, but its very likely.
Gay men can be honorable too. I don't see your point. Unless your homophobia doesn't let you realize such a simple thing.
@@Fidel_L.Bousquet1970 i never said otherwise. Or are you replying to the first comment?
Yes. He was.
Who knows if Philotas and Parmenio it looks like Parmenio not was implicated maybe was all Cassander and his father Antipater...
Hay criticas y tendria que averlas, ya que la pelicula de alejandro magno revela su pasión y vida al pie de la letra, que el mundo conozca su historia y comprenda que siempre habra amigos e enemigos y conspiraciones.
So what did philotas and his father do ? For this to happen to them.? Were they really guilty ?
If they had been guilty would Parmenion have left his only remaining son with Alexander and himself welcomed Cleitus and Antigonus so openly?
Poison often smells of Cinnamon. This may have been what threw Alexander off to the poison.
Didnt know Macedonians spoke with irish accents back then.. new bit of history for us 👍
1:34 Merryn fucking Traunt.
One of Alexander's shadiest acts. Parmenion was loyal to the end. He was also the reason Alexander won all his battles up until this point.
Parmenion was EXTREMELY popular with the troops, if he wanted to replace Alexandros he definitely was the only person able to pull it off. Filotas had to be killed as he was disloyal and Parmenion being innocent wouldn't stop him from revolting upon hearing the death of his last living child. Whether Parmenion was innocent or not was not the only reason getting rid of him made sense to Alexandros.
An this is oh Nicklaus became a vampire. Haha
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killed Parmenion for nothing. it was Cassander the whole time.
I really wanna see the director cut
I’ve heard Alexander liked to give as much as receive