History Buffs: Alexander Revisited
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- Опубліковано 9 бер 2016
- Well this is a first one guys. A historically accurate film that sucks. Now remember this is just my opinion but hopefully you will understand my reasons why I don't like Alexander.
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Alexander is a 2004 epic historical drama film based on the life of Alexander the Great. It was directed by Oliver Stone, with Colin Farrell in the title role. The film was an original screenplay based in part on the book Alexander the Great, written in the 1970s by the University of Oxford historian Robin Lane Fox. Upon its release, the film received generally favourable reviews by European critics. Negatively received in the United States, it grossed over $167 million worldwide against a $155 million budget.
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Did you really had to blur out Alexander kissing his mom?
UA-cam have forgotten the reason why so many people switched off mainstream television and turned to UA-cam in the first place.
ATTENTION UA-cam: You are slowly turning into the censored, nitpicked, over regulated thing we once loved that fact that YOU WERE NOT. Wake up before it's too late.
Nick, as a greek man I can inform you that the reason why everyone is yelling in the movie is because greeks yell all the time
True
I can tell by your profile pic
I made a joke with my friends that Greek people always yell but the topic is either The Greek Debt Clock or Constantinople/Istanbul
I always wondered if I am right
As an Irish-American; yeah Greek, Italian, and Spaniard friends yell a lot lmao
Ahh so Greeks and Armenians are identical
HBO should make a TV series out of the life of Alexander the Great. That be the best way to tell his story.
There's definitely enough material there. Starting with a pilot episode around Chaeronaea's time, you could easily get a few seasons of exciting content. One of the things that pissed me off most about the movie was how Ptolemy skipped over the entire Anatolia campaign, the Mediterranean sieges and the Egypt adventure in one sentence. There's so much awesome material there they could have used! And even after Alexander's death, the wars of the diadochi are plenty exciting themselves.
A game of thrones like power struglle between the 4 kingdoms which ends with the invasion of the romans
There is a movie
There is a movie
@Ryan Yeager - I would love that.
the worst thing about the "Oedipus Complex" is that in the story of Oedipus, he marries his mother unknowingly, and the complex named for him is about knowingly desiring your mother. talk about punishing an innocent!
I think it is unconscious too haha
Maybe but does he ever "divorce" his Mother when he finds out the truth?
@@ConnorLonergan He blinds himself with a pin and wanders off into the desert, so in a way, yes he does.
and is not real
@@dariusalexandru9536 And?
I think they overdid the whole 'Zeus is your father' thing in the movie. It was actually very common for great leaders to claim that they were descended of the gods. Julius Caesar claimed to be descended directly from Aeneas and Aphrodite. All great heroes from mythology were said to be descended from the gods (e.g. Hercules), so thats why a lot of real people from that time did too.
Yup.. it was the quickest way to solidify their rule
I don’t know, I’ve been listening to a series of lectures on Alexander and it seems that he truly came to believe was a divine being after subjugating Egypt, as opposed to saying it to increase his standing like usual.
@@throbbingfellow1136 I'm sure that Caesar started buying into his own propaganda after winning the civil war as well.
I think Kanye said he was fathered by Zeus.
I thought Caesar was Venus?
In defense of Oedipus from the play, the character the complex was based on, he had absolutely no idea the man he killed was his father and the woman he married his mother and when he found out, he gouged his own eyes out and went to live out the rest of his life as a hermit in exile...so...it wasn't like Oedipus actually even wanted to sleep with his mother.
Nice summary. The character Oedipus is indeed a tragic figure.
Damn! Oedipus got it so freaking bad.
We had to act this out in drama class
That's why it's called a theory.
Wrong, the complex entails an unconscious desire for sex with one’s mother. So it makes sense they would pair Oedipus’s lack of awareness with the psychoanalytic theory’s unconscious desire, both things you aren’t mean to be aware off
Give some credit to his father, he was a rare military genius. He revolutionized warfare with the use of sarisa, a 6 meter spear and a great phalanx formation.
And he utilized cavalry
HAIL KING PHILIP!!!
@Klaidi Rubiku HAIL!!!
Cavalry Wedge Formation!
@@nulolove yeaaaahhhhh!!!!!!
15:00 the reason why he was saying their names wasn’t for us to remember them IMO, it just showed how Alexander appealed to his men by naming them directly and attaching qualities to their names
It was a pretty good morale boost- your own king and general knowing you by name and deed. You weren't just a nobody sent to the meat-grinder to die for his glory- him and you break bread and share wine and all the risks and hardships of war together. Just that speech alone makes them more than willing to fight and die on his behalf
But it still sucks for the audience, who will never remember any of these guys.
@@thekraken1909 The ones with more lines are easy to remember.
Of course he remembers the name of his generals. There is nothing special about it
He made them feel important so they would follow him into battle.
alexander needed to be a trilogy (his youth, his ascendence, his late years)
Or an HBO show like Rome.
@@elperrodelautumo7511 I'd rather see it on the big screen...
Or just make the whole philip part a prologue and focus on Alexander's conquest of anatolia and the middle east
“Treat me, Alexander, the way a King treats another King” is probably the most badass surrender in human history.
Recent evidence suggests that Porus won He wounded Alexander Killed his favourite horse and forced him to retreat back via a different route than that Alex had taken while coming into India
@@dcmhsotaeh Alexander defeated Porus in the battle and made him a satrap. His army mutinied and that's why he didn't push on across the Hyphases. They'd heard rumours that the Nanda Empire possessed an army 5x greater in number than their own.
It does amuse me how it seems to be a trope of online Indian nationalism that people talk about how India repelled Alexander even though India was not a state. Alexander's army conquered a good part of India and multiple tribes including the kingdom of Porus but later turned back. Alexander was not forced by Porus to return a different route. The reasons why he chose it are disputed but Porus is definitely not one of them.
And what I find even more amusing is that even when Indians take this turn-back as a sign of repelling the Greeks, most are completely ignorant of the Indo-Greek Kingdom, a successor-splintr of the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom which pushed a lot further and conquered a lot more in India than Alexander achieved. So even if there were any verifiable truth to 'India' as a whole defeating Alexander (for which there is none, he never lost a battle), him being 'repelled' becomes immaterial when you consider that a post-Alexandrian Greek state did what he didn't, crossed the Hyphases, and conquered and subjugated a significant part of India.
F V R Y Indian name for Indian subcontinent was Bharath .All Indians right from Porus day’s and even earlier called themselves as Bharathiya ( Indian)
All poets writers etc of ancient India always depicted Indian subcontinent as Bharath .There are any number of verses in Sanskrit texts delineating Indian boundaries as to be from Himalayas to Indian Ocean .India is the modern name for a smaller part of Akhand Bharath ie larger India
Through there were numerous small and big kingdoms in this larger India called akhand bharath the people of this area were always united under the Hindu religion which was called Sanatan Dharma
Most westerners have a half baked knowledge of India and have a brainwashed notion that it was the British who united Indians and created today’s India .This is not true since before the British There were at least seven rulers who ruled entire Indian subcontinent and even beyond .
West has achieved much in human history and we in the East admire the rapid rise of pale skinned people (of a small peripheral area of Asian continent )from
dark ages to modernity Asians are proud of their past and realise that they had a little slip about 500 years ago and theywent backwards for a few centuries .But that era is over .
The influence of asians ie Arabs and Persians was a major factor in European awakening .Europe learnt most of its newer ideas from its contact and even its rule ( Spain under Arabs)under Asians Greece gained more from Persia than it gave to Asia as a whole .westerners should accept that there were more ancient, refined ,cultures marital powerful ,clever races and people before the advent of the Greeks Romans and before renaissance .The west is actually a newcomer on the human achievement scenario .The rapid rise of Japan Korea and recently China ,India, Indonesia is changing the world power balance .Asia is once again the big boss of the world .Why the west even today needs to lie cover up falsify history of other great peoples is still a big question
Alexander’s defeat at the hands of Porus in the area bordering Afghanistan (Afghanistan was called Gandharva desh at that time and was part of Indian cultural and historical sphere but inside India)is very reminiscent of Russia’s defeat in Afghanistan and American defeat in Afghanistan
The afghan and Punjab people in that area are known to have defeated all invaders over the centuries
Alex’s troops being “ tired” “ fatigued” “ giving back “
Kingdom to Porus “mutinied” etc etc are laughable excuses inserted by biased western historians
Europeans need to come out of their superiority myth The world is fast changing The need for world citizen is more acute than ever before .Europeans ought to Stop thinking like colonial whites and be proud of human history as a whole including Afro Asian and Amerindian history
The era of white skins being an inch better than their Asian and African brothers and counterparts is certainly over.
@@dcmhsotaeh I said a state not a nation. These are different. Greece wasn't a state either for most of its classical history but it had a concept of its own existence.
And no none of this has anything to do with Western bias against India.
Porus did not defeat Alexander.
fvriovs you wouldn’t believe the spew of historical revisionism from Hindu nationalists I see seriously I saw a comment once where someone actually tried to claim Alexander was killed by poison from a poison tipped arrow which is ridiculous considering he died in all the way in Babylon and unlike what is believed about the circumstances of Alexander’s death he likely wasn’t poisoned by anyone Greek or Indian.
Alexander didn't revolutionise ancient warfare by himself, you have to give Phillip at least some credit for that.
Phillip ll. Yeah he tamed Greece with his phalanx and sarissas
@@deankruse2891 To the best of my knowledge Alexander's military was pretty much inherited lock stock from Phillip II, if he made any changes (prior to the conquest of Persia and taking of eastern recruits) they were minor. Not to disrespect him. Hell Caesar did not invent the Roman military system, but is still a brilliant general. However I have more respect for military leaders like Napoleon or Yi Sun Sin who were not only tactically brilliant, but who also created or revolutionised the military machine they used.
What I was saying was Phillip innovated and used that army to bring the rest of Greece under his hegemony.
Phillip was no Alexander though.
Napoleon and Caesar both studied Alexander’s strategies, along with the rest of the western world continuing today
Alexander used the cavalry and peltas in stronger and more efficient roles than his father and he also integrated eastern troops later on during his campaign. Alexander also did away with the baggage train that was standard for the Macedonian and Greek armies and made the men carry much of their own kit.
Come to think of it, he innovated quite A bit.
@@deankruse2891 As I said, I'm not saying it to disrespect Alexander. It's why I mentioned Caesar. Just because someone didn't invent the military machine they used from the ground up doesn't mean they're not a tactically or strategically brilliant. However as I said I have more respect for leaders who were not only brilliant generals, but who also revolutionised or built their war-machine from the ground up. Especially if their methods (as in Napoleon's case) were only made obsolete by technological change and not because someone else created a better system with the same tools.
The changes you're describing don't sound all that major to me, and I acknowledged he did change things, but it was hardly in line with the changes Phillip made, and I mentioned his integration of Eastern recruits in my comment.
As for, 'people still study their tactics!' this is a bit of a meme. Military academies like to teach by example, but most of these tactical and strategic ploys were not new. Every competent general understands them. What makes a brilliant general is knowing when to use which. That was Alexander's greatest gift; his sense of timing and ability to read a battlefield, knowing where and when to apply pressure to have the greatest effect. This is a trait found in most great generals, and it's hard to quantify who was better at it. No doubt Alexander was one of the best, but I wouldn't call him the best.
The historical advisor for this film (according to my Greek history lecturer at least) apparently absolutely hero-worshipped Alexander and waived his fee in return for getting to take part in one of the cavalry charges, which may explain the rather sparkling portrayal of Alexander's character in the film
To be fair Alexander wasn't just naming random cities by his name. He was founding cities and naming them Alexandria, just like every other ruler has done throughout the history. The difference is that he has founded more cities then anyone else.
Great Dictator Aladin did the same. Do u want to go to Alexandria or to Alexandria?
@@futureisyours3016Aladin💀
@@futureisyours3016he wished his opponents a painful death and fed prisoners sand
There are thousands of places named “Washington” in America. To my knowledge he didn’t name them himself. They were named in is honor after he died.
Alexander should be a drama/series like HBO Rome.
Jalal Hussain aye that would be great. just one thing no constant spam of pointless sex scenes like game of thrones.
Could be a prequel to Rome!
First of all they should remake Rome, it was cancelled way to quickly, it was originally supposed to have 5 seasons instead of 2.
Except not terrible in season 2.
HBO should have continued Rome. And yes, a series on the scale of GoT for Alexander and his campaigns would be epic but it would not draw the same audience that GoT did unfortunately.
Well, if your mother looks like Angelina Jolie in her early 30s...
+T2266 You're goddamn right.
absolutely. i’d believe whatever she goddamn told me
I’d b bustin nuts
apparently there is a story where alexander crossing the desert came to a small oasis that only had enough water to fill one cup. It was given to alexander who poured it out in front of his men to say that he would suffer with his men instead of take the special treatment. May be just a story but I think when it came to his army, Alexander was genuinely honored to lead them and cared for them deeply. I think crossing the desert was more of an ego move to prove that it could be done, only by him. Great vid!!
"Everyone is shouting in this movie"
I mean.... us Greeks are VERy very very loud people... could be historical accuracy lmao
Yes, but he wasn't greek
@@ethanmatthews4561 If you wanna push your historic revisionism online you can do so elsewhere. Alexander's father himself had to prove his family's ancestry from Argos to be allowed in the Greek-only Olympics. Theres tons of other evidence but if you are unwilling to listen to all the experts and historians that are in agreement about this , this is a waste of time.
well it kind of is.
Macedonians especially were known to be emotional and expressive in this manner.
Pretty sure it's common to shout when you're angry and arguing with someone, I don't know why this was even brought up in the video...they shout when they are angry and arguing against someone
Eyhan Matthews Ancient Macedonians were from Greece.....
If Alexander's accent bothers you so should the fact that he's speaking English.
I wish they would do Raiders of the Lost Ark
Exactly
Hahah got em!
No one sparks ancient Macedonian anymore it's a dead language
they should watch the greek language version?? although a good thing would be to have characters from the same place have similar accents
LOL I think Oliver Stone used the jungles of 'India' as a cost-cutting decision - I was in Southern Thailand, Krabi when this movie was being filmed. Those are Northern Thai elephants in the scene you showed, not Indian elephants. As an Indian, I love your attention to detail of our geography and commitment to accuracy! BTW, the elephants were sadly killed by local poachers after filming - it made national headlines.
Hey a fellow Indian
There is a moment where a trunk is cut in the revisited, but I could not say if it is what I think.
Porus had a porous border is how Alexander defeated him.
Awww poor elephants :( I really dont understand poachers...fucking cunts ,should be skinned halfway and stringed by their testicles.
Holy shit thats sad
Angelina Jolie wasn’t acting. That’s how she is in real life
If you believe Jennifer Aniston.
@@sebastianborisjonas ask Brad Pitt.
Dead ☠️ 💀
Too right
Based
Listen closely in the death scene, Alexander whispers something and the generals are trying to decipher what he means. Cratistos meaning “to the strongest” or was he referring to his general Craterus, that he was leaving his empire to him.
One of my biggest problems with this movie was... that it always looked like Alexander was wearing a wig... an 80's-bed-hair-mullet wig
I always thought the same thing.
"Everyone is shouting in this movie"
I mean.... us Greeks are VERy very very loud people... could be historical accuracy lmao
It is like the stylists had never seen natural blond hair before, and in some scenes the black regrowth is really obvious and jarring. He needed a violet toner rinse STAT.
He looks like an Australian cricketer
@@MsLJK85 Maybe its because Alexander used to wash his head with saffron to try to keep his blonde hair. So maybe his wig like hair is accurate too
-You've been poisoned!
-Oh, the pain is unbearable!
My stomach is riddled with holes.
-I'm Terrible.
Тhere's no Great that can defeat this Russian!
Killer-Toni what about a flute busting Prussian?
Names fridrich the great, became the first secretairy of state
Olibique attack tactics, ain't exactly straight.
Hard as steel on the field, gentile in the palace!
Honestly, with a mom like that, I kinda understand his motives
with a mom like that i would find easier to follow oedipus footsteps than achileus tbh...
I got confused when i watched this movie as a kid, i was like 'wait, isnt she his mommy?, Wait he is gay?'
@@jangkarsuci8885 Yes to both... lol
Well, it's even more understandable since his mom is actually just 1 year older than him in this movie....
@@jangkarsuci8885
Now leftists want to make the whole world like this.
The tale of Alexander is far to large and grand for a simple movie it deserves a TV series
Tv is too low budget he deserves his own movie trilogy
@@meep3035 I'm thinking that start with Philip and Olympia giving birth to Alexander all the way towards his death. probably be 15 seasons of a TV show maybe.
Exactly!
Alexander's deathbed declaration was probably misinterpreted. History records that he said Kratistos "to the Strongest," but in his delirium, he may have intended to say "Krateros" or Crateros - one of Alexander's most reliable and loyal generals. This was the cause for the wars of the Diodochi, as several generals felt that Crateros was the best choice to rule until Roxana gave birth to her child to determine if that child was a male heir, and if so, Crateros would have been the logical choice to serve as Regent. On the flip side, many of Alexander's generals felt they were the "strongest" and therefore felt they should rule, thus plunging the empire into civil war.
Imagine you were moments from death suffering from fever and delirium. Do you think you would have the strength to enunciate?
History records three different accounts, one which is presented in the movie (Plutarch's account i believe), but also combined with Arrian's account of him handing his signet ring to Perdiccas. Arrian, Diodorus and Curtius all acknowledge the story of "Toi Kratistoi", and i believe it to be the most accurate, but then again, it is the more interesting. Now consider he actually meant Craterus, why would he? Alexander had no successor by choice, and during his 13 years on the throne, he had ample time to appoint someone. Yet he never did. Not even Hephaestheon was named successor, and there doesn't seem to be anyone in Alexander's court he really cared about enough to find worthy to carry on his legacy. Craterus is also characterized as a staunch traditionalist, someone opposed to Alexanders own pretentions of divinity and persian custom. This is not to say Alexander didn't trust him. No sir! He most likely were sent to Macedon to relieve Antipater of his post and in reality become the new "king" of Macedon. Lastly we need to consider the "Toi Kratistoi" through the lense of historical narrative. Diodorus, who is the main proponent of this view, wrote 300 years after Alexanders death, and he wrote world history (Library of History). My point being that he must have been well aware of how the story of Alexander's successors eventually would turn out, and in this create an interesting point of the origin of the conflict. Either portraying the "toi kratistoi" as a bitter challenge from Alexander, or as an appointment of the one person not in Babylon, the seed of conflict was planted. Diodorus being the earliest of our sources, we cannot know the accounts that already existed from Alexanders death, or if Diodorus created one to make sense of what happend.
Alexander was kinda a dick obsessed with glory so It isn't really a stretch to assume that he meant the strongest.
Imagine you were moments from death from fever and delirium. Do you think your last words would be a Generals name that fought for you decades ago?
John L Even by Alexander standards plunging his empire into civil war just for the hell of it would be a bit of a dick move
Darth Cronal who expects to die at 30?
There is another theory to why he marched across gedrosia. It's that he wanted to prove his superiorety over the persian Cyrus the Great who lost his army there.
I believe it was both.
Alexander 100% had Cyrus’s legacy on his mind
@@LandersWorkshop yeah, but still he could've marched on the coast. Making the resupply easier when the ships did catch up. Also, you would have a higher chance of meating settlements and if you were about to die of thirst, you had water nearby. It's salty, but if you boil it it's fine. And even then, he didn't need to go through the deassert inland. He could've gone around it to the north. But he didn't want to march back the way he came cause that'd look like a retreat.
@@LandersWorkshop If you ask anyone, they'd take sickness over thirsting to death anytime. Besides, as I said. On the coast they could supply, in the deassert they couldn't. An army doesn't march on it's feet, but on it's stomach after all.
You cannot just simply boil ocean water and drink it... that would remove bacteria and germs but the salt would remain.. desalination is needed to drink ocean water..
if alexander was zeus' son, he probably would be busy running and escaping hera's wrath
that's why he wanted to keep going east, to get as far away from her as possible
@@williambenetos5115 lmao
2004: Alexanders gay in this movie?! I won't watch!!
2023: there's no one gay in this movie?!! I won't watch!!
The movie was just overcrowded. They would have benefited from a 10 part season with hour long episodes rather than a damn near 4 hour long movie that would put anyone to sleep.
Yeah the editing was weird, but I think the amount of characters was find given they were real people and important companions
Dean Kruse even more reason why a tv show would have been more appropriate
Agreed that an HBO series would be the best way to tell Alexander’s story, but the big screen is a special medium that is there to immortalize him in a way that a TV series could not. Hollywood would be even more bored with a trilogy, so a 4 hour epic is the only choice, along the lines of Lawrence of Arabia
Dean Kruse fair enough
I think I've seen it 3 times but could never really get glued to it. It's too vast and all over the place, I finally gave up lol
This movie is underrated.
It has the most historic accurate battlescenes. And the music. Oooh the music!!!
But maybe too accurate.
The music was indeed divine!
The music rocks. Vangelis was the *perfect* choice to score it!
The music is divine and enjoyable, but horrendous, I mean, who uses the chariots of fire synths in the BC times?
no this movie is boring and it makes me want to sleep
While Alexander was a military genius in his own right, his father’s reforms to the military is what allowed him to conquer Persia. Alexander was a A+ high school student who was given the keys to his dads Ferrari.
Where'd you hear that analogy?
Just A+? How about a gold winning medal champion at international highschool and university competitions in math,arts and sports repeatedly.
I really appreciated this movie don’t care if missed the mark cinematically I wish more film makers took the risk to be more accurate to history
Well yeah I do too but the reality is historic movies often don’t make money. That’s why we don’t get many of them. Honestly I think Oliver Stone could have cut costs a lot and still been able to tell the story he wanted. Many of these scenes border on opulent.
brings new meaning to "Zeus went to mount Olympias"
Okay that is funny as hell lmao
What annoys me is the fact that they did not show the burning and looting of Persepolis, by Alexander, nor the fact that he went to Cyrus the Great's tomb and bowed to it in respect, while restoring it after it was looted by some of his troops.
He didn’t send the entirety of his troops via desert. Some of them were sent by sea through the Persian gulf with general Νέαρχος in charge.
I would love to see a film adaptation of Valerio Massimo Manfredi’s “Alexander” trilogy. It covers so much more of Alexander’s life than this film does, and it does it in a way that, while containing some historical fiction, it mostly stays true to the tale of Alexander’s life.
Unlike many stories in this day and age, the life of Alexander the Great deserves a movie trilogy.
The new intro is good.
But the old intro was legendary...
#BringBackTheOldIntro
+FOX 12 No, use it as an outro
***** Yep. I even like the new intro. The old one was better.
+FOX 12 Well I watched it one time and than I just skip it. But it was not hard thing to do since it was exactly first 60s.
the old intro is certainly epic and I do believe that it is the better of the two.
I don't think anyone is honestly saying that it's absence is destroying the channel.
but as viewers it is proper for us to let the creator know our opinions.
he may even appreciate it.
I suggest a poll/survey.
Alexander didnt invade "Greece" as his kingdom was already in "Greece" He just capitulated the city states that didnt bow to his kingdom.He actually united all the Greeks from all regions (except Sparta who refused to join him) and invaded the neighboring Persian Empire as "retaliation" for Persia's invasion of Greece.
Keep in mind Nick has to keep his videos somewhat condensed and explaining that the modern idea of nations is a very modern concept would be a whole video itself, so it's easier to just say "Greece" which most the audience will understand rather than trying to quickly explain the idea of city states.
@@Sergei_Ivanovich_Mosin well he is stupid for thinking alex is a narrsasitic and that he planned his death
Demosthenes would disagree
Phillip united Greece in the league of Corinth not Alexander
@@thedragondemands5186 aeschines would disagree with Demosthenes 😉 what's your point
For what it’s worth, Alexander features the most awesome realistic depiction of a historical battle ever produced by a wide margin, in stark contrast to likes of ‘more critically acclaimed’ movies like Gladiator, Braveheart etc. The Battle of Gaugamela was reenacted so well, capturing the scale, actual strategy, tactical decisions, formations and maneuvers of both sides, as authentically as we know from records. In stead of the cliche hollywood scenes like soldiers firing burning arrows at each other and then breaking into a million one-on-one melee duels.
So I’d expect more praise for this movie from this channel. I also didn’t think it was soo boring, yes if you are not interested in the period and historical characters, it will be a long movie to endure but it was fascinating to watch for real history buffs.
Agree. Oliver Stone has seen combat. His battle scenes were going to be realistic and chaotic. I adored this movie when it first came out and I adore it still
@@benjalucian1515 likewise, I think I watched it like 6-7 times already, including the director's cut and the final revisited cut, and I'll probably watch it again and again, it's my favorite historical/military movie in addition to Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut), cheers!
As a historian myself, I have to add to the Gedrosian Desert theory. I do believe Alexander chose that route to punish his men, yes. But ALSO, I believe Alexander chose that route to add just one more impossible feat to his resume. No Army, and no King or Queen (semiramis) ever marched through the Gedrosian Desert, and succeeded. All had fail, Cyrus the Great failed. Alexander wanted to succeed where other great Kings failed. So he pushed through that desert. Did he really go so far as to punish his army and see to the death of 25,000 of his men and more adversity from his Generals? I dont know, its possible but dont forget he had a navy sailing parallel to his march in the gulf, probably exploring and learning for his rumored plans for a future invasion using that route. That naval detachment was well understood to also be a logistics train for the march through Gedrosia, but having Mediterranean sailors navigate Arabian waterways, they were quickly lost and detached from the main marching force. Many men drowned in flash floods in Gedrosia as well, so I dont think it was solely to punish them. Alot of the fatalities were from freak events. But one thing we can never forget is that Alexander had been recruiting and training 40,000 young Persian replacements for his aged veteran Army, a hybrid Macedonian-Greek/Persian force...and maybe, just maybe, the 'perfect' race he saw in his eyes, the Greco-Persian race. Give that a think over.
That's a good possibility.
If that is true this guy have let his Ego take over his mind.......getting so many men killed by heat and sand is really a STUPID move!
Get help or get laid, goodluck
whatever helps your ego
+Heisenberg now I've always wondered how did he get his navy from the Mediterranean into the Persian gulf? Or did he build a new navy after taking Babylon
Liked the old intro way more
+VictoryGames Yeah I had to watch it before putting this vid on. Really puts me int he right mood for this video. He did such an amazing job on the intro, it's a shame he caved. If people don't want to watch it they should just skip ahead. It's not that hard.
+VictoryGames The fact is, the short intro is the smart move. It leads to less people clicking away in the first 10-15 seconds, which I cannot believe people are ADD enough to do but stats do not lie. The new intro is more informative about what you're about to watch and introduces Nick in cartoon form from the start. The old intro was awesome but didn't really tell you what you were about to watch, and Nick's cartoon avatar clashed pretty hard with the show's visual theme of "ornate museum" up to that point.
REST IN DEATH OLD INTRO!
same
I think you should review the last of Mohicans
I don’t think “to the strongest” was out of bitterness. I think Alexander that who ever is strong enough to lead this army in his place would be the only one deserving to it.
I agree. I don't know why people assume with such sureity that it was out of spite.
@@Prometheus7272 well the more knowledge gained about Alexander he was a very spiteful man. Especially because he strong sense of destiny about himself and anyone who challenges his world view was a threat to him.
@@Prometheus7272 to the strongest is basically a blessing for civil war. Having a clear line of succession is a very important thing especially great empires such as this where civil war is detrimental.
@@808INFantry11X What's wrong with having a sense of destiny around you.
@@Prometheus7272Well if it reaches God-like destiny then there is a problem
"They call this tribe "monkey."
"I call this scene "bullshit!"
LMAO!
Europe already had monkeys.
This movies a complete shitshow and follows the most outdated research.
@@kramhorse much of this movie is accurate
The Story of Alexander deserves it's own drama series.
+Sultan I'd watch it
I agree with you. HBO or Netflix can do it I believe. Violence and sex it would be huge then slyly add in historical facts. It's a win win!
+Ricky Marasigan (peepinR) If HBO made a series about Alexander with the same attention to detail and authenticity they had in Rome. I would probably absolutely love it.
It could of made a great HBO mini series
Agree., just like the miniseries Rome. It was really annoyed to see 20 years of Alexander's life being cramped into a movie. Just doesn't do him justice.
Way too expensive
Sorry man. It's bad enough the sources on his sotry are mostly anti-Persian propaganda, but this shit? Turning into an HBO pornography? Wow. Now that's next level horseshit.
I suppose we should never say never
This movie was quite a while back. Hope they do another one soon. New mini series would be great but leave out all the nonsense
Alexander the Great is my favorite historical character, he's the one that inspired me to become a historian. I actually loved this movie due to the historical accuracy, I did not know people hated the acting :
many like it. this channel just nitpicks a lot. so it's expected.
Although magnificent, Alexander's horse, Bucephalus, is played by a modern day Friesan, a horse from the Netherlands that did not exist during his time. Only a horse person would notice, but it was a huge mistake, because Bucephalus was as famous as his master.
After9Design Well, what breed was Bucephalus?? Because it might not exist anymore. So they just used whatever modern (Freisians are a fairly old breed though; just not THAT old) horse breed they thought would "fit" Alexander. Since, you know, Freisian horses do look rather stunning, almost "regal" in appearance and behaviour.
Them being used as mounts by knights in medieval times, probably also helps in using one to portray a warhorse without it seeming too unrealistic (although I doubt that was a main concern for the filmmakers; they probably just focused on how great it looked on screen).
Nekhet, according to Wikipedia "A massive creature with a massive head, Bucephalus is described as having a black coat with a large white star on his brow. He is also supposed to have had a "wall eye" (blue eye), and his breeding was that of the "best Thessalian strain." That means he was Greek.
After9Design Hmm.. That raises the question if any current Greek horse breeds (if there are any left that is) would have any members that would fit those criteria. I can see why they used a Friesian horse though; the black coat (although it lacked the star), the large, somewhat "heavy" build, the fact they were used as warhorses back in the day etc.
Still would be interesting to see if the Thessalian breed Bucephalus was of still exists or if there are any breeds who descend from it.
Well they cast an Irish man to play a Macedonian, so should they have cast a Macedonian?
Bucephalus was of Thessalian breed,it was short and strong.
The breed still exists,but because it is a purely war breed it is not used.
Fun fact:Many of the Mongolian horse breeds are of Thessalian descent,see the video about the Heavenly horses.
But in Alexander's defense.......DID YOU SEE HIS MOM???? 👀😳🤔😏
No.
A. Jolie is not that attractive.
I'd tap that. Not going to lie..
@@thepsychicspoon5984 u r goddamn blind
@@thepsychicspoon5984 I think she was very beautiful in this movie
I loved the battle scene of the battle of Guagamela. One of my favorite stories was left out the Gordian Knot.
🤔Once again, a movie called "boring" is one of my all time favorites. 🙄
Same here.
A word about the accent. Actually it works... here’s why: “Proper” Greek could be analogous to proper British-English. The Macedonians spoke Greek, but with their own dialect and inflection. Much like Irish-English in relation to English-English. To a contemporary person in Athens or Sparta, Alexander and his Macedonians probably sounded similar. Same-same, but different.
Greeks literally called the eleans barbarophonoi for their dialect even though they spoke greek
This movie was never intended to be subtle or comfortable. It's a greek tragedy. it's emotional. The movie focuses on the fantastical rather than the historical, it's about Alexander's desire to join the great heroes and falling into the same desolation they did; betrayal and murder, killing his father and fucking his mother. The film would be entirely pointless without his tailspinning mental deterioration and the 'overacting'. People yell in real life too.
The point wasn't to "get" and have a gentle 'a-ha' moment about his oedipal disorder, it was to make you live through it emotionally.
And actually there is a deathbed scene in the movie about him whispering 'kratistos', which may have been the name of his general Krateros, but since he wasn't there the others may have chosen to 'mishear'.
I did like the video though!
" I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOOOUT!!! " I can't stop laughing every time I see the segment with all the yelling LOL
I'm in a glass case of emotions right now!!
Actualy very few leaders had „The Great“ in their name,and every single one of them deserves it.
Overall agree, but I'm not so sure about Pompeji the Great. Dude didn't even get to the palace after being crowned before getting his head cut off.
Trump The Great. Yes. No? 😆
Theodosius?
Comparing the achievements of someone like Frederick of Prussia to Alexander kinda makes Frederick's "The Great" status seem a bit undeserving. He won the Silesian Wars and annexed some territories from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, that's hardly comparable to conquering most of the known world in 10 years.
It's ironic hearing Ptolemy casually laughing at Alexander becoming Pharaoh.
Fuck that the old into was way more epic. Still love you though.
I hate using Wikipedia as a reference but it was one of WB best selling catalog DVDs to the point of getting 3 recuts, I think in time people came to accept and appreciate the artistic direction of Oliver Stone
I absolutely love it. Sometimes it's hard for people to have a honest opinion, sometimes people go with the trend/flow and say something is good or bad just cause others say it too.
EXACTLY!!!
also something i forgot to add in my last comment see below, Colin unable to rid himself of his accent, (some say he refused to change) they made sure, all the other Macedonians also had Irish accents, a different part of Greece they gave them scots accents and again for a different part of Greece a different accent, it was to show the different parts of the Greek city states. its really cool in the long run.
also also Oedipus never knew his mum was his mum until it was WAY to late
@array s No, jackass. He means the different accents of the actors are to be interpreted as the different regions of Greece of the generals in the film.
In the movie, "Alexander", The Macedonians had Irish accents, The Athenians had English accents, and Olympias being from the Greek Kingdom of Epirus had a Russian accent.
It is true, that Greece being a country of mountains and valleys had city states and kingdoms that were isolated from one another and each developed its own distinct dialect and accent, but nevertheless, all were Greek!
Macedonia is not a country, its just another Greek Kingdom!
The slavs of former Yugoslavia love to be called Macedonians, but are no more Macedonians than Ronald MacDonald!
@@HopliteWarlord preach brother!
Saying Macedonia was not Greek is like saying Ionia or even the Peloponnese was not Greek because it wasn’t Attica
Hoplite Warlord Macedonians USED to be Greek. They even spoke a dialect of Greek. (All be it a very harsh dialect, but still) They are now Half Slav and Half Greek. They now also speak a Slavic Language.
One also has to commend Stone for the scene with Aristotle, it is JAM-PACKED full of all of the great ideas and values of Classical Greece, with obscure references and subtleties, it's my favourite scene from the film, even Aristotle's reference to the Greeks being "frogs" comes from a piece of Classical Athenian Literature. Though you are right, some of the things, particularly Oedipus, are really unsubtle, I still find myself going back and watching a few of the scenes on their own occasionally.
Totally agree with you. That Aristotle scene blew me away and I nearly included it but I just didn't have time in the end
+Geordie Walker
Good old Christopher Plummer.
Wolf Strife He has a very nice voice
Geordie Walker
Well, you know Canadians.
I watched Alexander and this reminds me of the 300 and 300 rise of an empire.
Yet another inaccuracy - The horse Alexander rides in this film is a Dutch Freisian. Bucephalus was most likely an Andravita, a native breed of Greece.
This is a really under rated comment
Assuming it's sarcasm and people don't actually care about this stuff
One of the greatest soundtrack ever made is in this movie from Vangelis. I've seen the movie many times, he may have been bisexual, that didn't make his acomplishments any less significant, just some insecure people bashed the movie down for the wrong reasons.
I think you're glorifying it for the wrong reasons.
The Alamo
Troy
Valkyrie
Marco Polo (Netflix)
Band of Brothers (HBO)
The Pacific (HBO
Black Hawk Down
Emperor
Apollo 13
Saving Private Ryan
Pearl Harbor
Midway
Hidalgo
Also I think you should start saying at the end of each video what the next movie you are going to "review" so if people want they can watch it.
+Moving20 I would put also "All quiet on the western front" on the list, too.
It's based on a novel about the horrors of WWI. They were quite faithful to the material, and hired even soldiers who fought in said war. Which isn't that hard, given that the war only happend 15 years prior. But it still moved me deeply.
+Moving20
Glory
The Thirteenth Warrior
Gettysburg
Lincoln
The Crucible
Gallipoli
The Great Debaters
Skokie
The King's Speech
The Revenant
The Social Network
The Imitation Game
Selma
The Help
10000 BC
Gandhi
The Last Legion
The Pianist
Paths of Glory
Spartacus
The Fifth Estate
12 Years a Slave
The Other Boleyn Girl
War Horse
Steve Jobs (either Michael Fassbender or Ashton Kutcher)
Bridge of Spies
Amazing Grace
Dunkirk
Hawking
Turn: Washington's Spies
Rome (HBO)
Last of the Mohicans
The Flowers of War
The New World
Argo (2012)
The Last King of Scotland
I'd really like to see more films that aren't about war. Of course, historical war films are good too, but having too many of them gets kind of stale.
+Jimmy Yang admiral: roaring currents?
Red Baron?
Please review the 1992 movie "The Last of the Mohicans" starring Daniel Day-Lewis.
Right on
Man that's possibly my favorite movie ever.
jason m.
Weirdly, I just watched it. I honestly found it boring.
Jesus Christ yeah
Makes "Dances with Wolves" look pale in comparison.
Ah, great to revisit this review, since Alexander is one of my favorite historical personalities. By the way, about the tropical setting in India, Valerio M. Manfredi's trilogy Aléxandros gives the same setting, and elaborates on how the constant rains, fevers, snakes and tropical stuff fed up the army and decided the men to demand Alexander to go back home.
Val's American accent + Angelina's whatever accent = Colin's Irish accent. 😂😂😂
if you pay attention to Alexander's death scene, you don't hear him say anything, but you hear his generals say something like, "Did he say the strongest?" "No, to Craterus."
+Garret LeBuis Took the words out of my mouth.
Craterus meant strong in greek
One of these days, you need to do an episode on "The Last Emperor".
Yes! The Last Emperor!!
It’ll probably be illegal to watch it in China though lol
YES
Adi Adiani - You're a complete tit for posting this comment more than once.
Me.
This movie had so much potential. In university Film School's text and media courses are taught in regard to this movie as "Don't let this happen to you".
i personally thought the introduction of those 10 characters in the span of 40 seconds as you say, was deliberate done to throw the audience in the middle of alexander's war room. We all know Alexander, fewer can name Parmenion, and Ptolemy, and even fewer can name all of them. I think it was meant to be forgotten, hardly any of them have more than a few lines anyway and it was more geared towards how alexander created his battle plans because he was almost always outnumbered. Just an attempt to show how he managed to "convince" (since the macedonians believed they were free men *equals* fighting barbarians) or keep his generals in line with his battle plan.
It will take the greater half of the movie just to understand the importance of these characters. When really, I think he just wanted to show these characters were INFLUENTIAL in Alexanders campaign. Even the order is telling. First it starts with Parmenion speaking (assassinated b/c of his son) Philotas (accused of assassination) . Antigonus and the rest are fillers who just follow him. and then the rest who were Ptolemy (narrator) Cleitus (alexanders ghost of phillip) Hephaiston, and Cassander (friend like ptolemy and also both were successor kings and childhood friends)
the movie is called Alexander as it focuses a somewhat chronological moments in his life. We take a dive in that moment. that scene, since each scene itself isnt long. I think the battle scenes are even longer lol. So i believe there meant to be just impressions of imprints, just like when we think of something in our own past, we think of just a few impressionable moments
The present time in the movie is when Ptolemy is old anyway. everything else is him thinking back of those moments, with Alexander being the main character.
movie is ok, i wouldnt mind watching it once every few years
Why is the map in Greek Alexandria in Latin? The Romans hadn't even beaten Pyrrhus yet.
allanmacauley I would have let English fly by since it’s spoken by the actors but using Latin is just silly.
@Perpetual Motions English uses a slightly modified version of the Latin alphabet, with a couple of exceptions: Latin has no U or W.
@@SnazzyBoBazzy It's to get into the mood of the movie. Nobody can read Greek and a modern day audience will recognize many ancient names in Latin but not Greek.
@@allanmacauley But at some point of the movie Alexander is writing on a piece of paper (papyrus?) with the title "TAX SYSTEM" spelled out in Greek alphabet.
In Ireland we called it "Alexander the bleedin deadly" because of Colin Farrells Dublin accent
Way better than something generic as "the Great"
we have tons of "Great" people, but who would face someone called "the Bleedin' Deadly"?
sander heutink
Nah , "bleedin deadly" is very blunt Dublin slang for "great".
So people in Ireland took the piss out of the film by calling him "Alexander the bleeding deadly"
Like an american kid saying "alexander the sick mannn , yo !"
Oli Faelaen alexander the lit is my favorite
Oli Faelaen , no we didnt
Yes we bleedin did .
It was even slagged of as such on Ray Darcy .
I heard of it first when my brother said "Have you seen Alexander the bleedin deadly ?"
He then explained it .
Look , if your really irish , did you not find his Dublin accent a bit ridiculous ?.
I know a country man would , if he said "Oh Be Jeezes , Id be up for a bit of craic in Persia so I would"
Or a Londoner if he said " Caww Blimey , we soon sawr off those facking Persians . Gonna get on the dog an bone (phone) an tell de missus "
@History Buffs , i've seen this review 4 or 5 times these years,but only today i saw the "Waldo" name in 15:17.Priceless
18:20 And it was at this moment that young Timmy finally reached puberty, and became the luckiest child actor in the world.
17:05 "By Zeus and all of the gods, what makes you so much better than them?"
Clears throat and replies in a calm tone. "Well, I will be Henry VIII for a few years after this movie wraps up."
Daniel Allan bishop heahmund
The battle scenes are shot beautifully and I do love some of the sets. It does drag and Colin Farrell is definitely over the top with is acting.
Also is very weird because Colin Farrell is an incredible actor with countless subdued and nuanced performances in his career
Must be over dicecting by Ridley Scott
Or he was too young and overwhelmed by the role
@@TheJunmengoOr it was just wrong casting. Farrell usually plays his best roles when they are nobodies. It's very hard to play someone so larger than life in a subdues, realistic way.
It isn’t Colin Farrell’s fault that’s Oliver Stone’s direction.
I saw this movie like when my grandfather told me stories and he uses to go all over the place because he forgot some detail and returns to other parts of the story, it was fun and at the end you have to reconstruct the story with all the parts you've being told. And since the story is narrated from an old tolomeus perspective is something I consider accurate, counting my experience with the stories from my grandfather.
I remember watching this movie a couple times as a kid. Maybe 11 year old or so. I was enthralled by it. Guess it's about time to give it another go.
I have to admit, I love 'Alexander'. But that probably has to do with the fact that I'm a Greek mythology and history buff and I remember that when I was first watching the movie I was blown away by the fact that this director actually really cared for the source material and tried to make a historically accurate film. But I still have to admit that this movie has flaws, especially (as History Buffs pointed out) the dialogue. There are many scenes throughout the film where I was thinking "Come on, no one talks like that!"
And just on a side note: It's been a while since I read the Iliad but if I remember correctly (and I think I've also read it somewhere) Achilles and Patroclus are not lovers in the epic. It's never specifically said they aren't but also not that they are. It's just said that they are really close friends. That they are depicted as lovers was an interpretation by later periods (Archaic and Classical Greece). Nothing wrong with that (one of reasons why I love 'Alexander' is exactly because the director didn't shy away from depicting Alexander as a bisexual) but yeah, not in the Iliad (again, as far as I can remember).
8:33 strongly agree with that point.
I'm basically from a town in Jhelum, and the "Hydaspes" river flows less than half a mile from my grandmother's house. All around us, are fields of wheat, and grass. There are not even that many trees. The whole region (Punjab) is agricultural land, same as France in Europe.
I disagree with the presenter’s opinion. I enjoyed the movie.
I genuienly do not understand how people can call it a bad movie. 8/10
LOL! "to the best of my recollection, Alexander the Great was not born in Ireland"
To the best of my recollection Alexander the Great didn't speak modern English either... XD what a lousy criticism.
They should do a recasting of this movie.
+Bobby Siecker I only listen to Shakespear in the original Klingon.
+MrSingularity44
#KingJamesonly XD
sine moderamine Seriously, the smugness made it so much worse
I think that the movie is great. It´s told in the format of the drama and tragedie that carachterized the greeks. Anyone who has read plays, poetry or the such of that time will recognize the tropes: the exaggeration, the loudness, the passion, the storm. Anyway good vid, I enjoyed it very much
Are any of the extended versions worth checking out?
How do I suggest a movie for you to investigate? I was hoping to see you do the director's cut of "Troy".
Naming city after city the same, marching for years in same general direction... obvious memory problems.
lol good obserbation
Nice one 😂😂😂
Lol. Are we there yet?
Which business genius is keeping you from reverting to your old intro? The video is still good, but I'm telling you, that intro is how you keep subscribers. People will associate that epic intro with your channel in an instant, which is exactly the kind of brand recognition you need to get big.
+Petey T indeed.
+Petey T The old intro is great, but it's just too long. People who sit through a 1 minute long *intro* on UA-cam are a tiny minority of overall viewers. Even though I'm personally willing to watch it every time, since it's top notch, I can't fault him for switching from a TV-geared intro to a UA-cam-geared intro, since that's the format he's actually on.
+Brett DuVale And who is he getting INTEREST FROM for his professional talented productions stylings?.... TELEVISION PEOPLE WHO PAY AND FUND MORE THAN CHEAP ADHD UA-camr gameboys buying Lootcrate CRAP.
You can make cheap change catering to the man-boy internet geeks or make a living and career getting gigs with ACTUAL businesses who want talent like Nick's. HIS original INTRO DID that, he was GETTING BIGGER WITH IT. Only growing numbers of idiot follower sheep fanboys from other channels unable to focus more than 5sec influenced him to make the short Scooby Do silly intro as he's a young man.
+Petey T People have ADHD, mate. Some geniuses have advised him that he'll loose subs if he doesn't cut the intro short. So here you go!
+oberstul
I kinda feel it might actually be people like me, who find a channel when it already has some 14+ videos and proceed to watch them all in a single day. The old, long intro was really good, but by the seventh time I saw it in an evening I was wishing for a video game -style "skip cut-scene" -button because I just wanted to get to the review already. Which, come to think of it, would be pretty good solution.
Now that I've caught up, though? Yeah, I'd prefer the original one. It works when you watch videos at the rate they're uploaded, not at the rate you can click on them.
Whoa. A british man pronouncing "controversy" like an american. Broke my brain.
Everyone loves to hate on this film, mostly unfairly. It suffers from not being "Gladiator", a great but very different movie. Now we have a Netflix series to compare it with...
A game of thrones alexander type show would be great.
Adam Frazer I’m happy they ended Rome. I’d rather have fewer seasons with more focused writing than 4+ seasons of filler episodes.
I think for Alexander,
Season 1 should be his early life all the way up to his crossing of the hellespont.
Season 2 would continue the story and end at gaugamela (idk how to spell it)
Season 3 should show the Indian campaigns and his death and should show his empire breaking up.
@@acceleration4443 I second that, imagine a scene of the Siege of Tyre that would be something to marvel at.
I can think of so many times in history that would do great as a Game of Thrones style thing
Sengoku Jidai, Era of the three kingdoms, 30 years war, I could go on.
The diadochi wars would be the best of it. The successor kingdoms fighting to claim Alexander's legacy... until the Romans arrived that stopped their petty squabbling.
Sounds kinda lame tbh. Its just one guy kicking everyone's ass.
i feel as though you should have mentioned the fact that alexander was schooled by aristotle, who described him as loud, ignorant and narcissistic.
Nietzche Preacher loool
Is that description before, during, or after aristotles teaching?
I searched for this claim and couldn’t find anything so I’ll assume your claim is false.
My critique :
For a war-hungry king, there wasn't nearly enough war in the movie
I started respecting this movie much more after watching the 2024 Netflix version😂
I will say that most people don’t know what the lighthouse of Alexandria is
A lighthouse in Alexandria maybe?
I’ve constructed it many times in CIV what are you talking about?
Is it to guide ships safely to port?
I would say many people don't know what Alexandria even is.
Joaquin Phoenix would have made excellent Alexander.
Agreed! He is a splendid actor
He would make a great Nero if they made a motion picture about him
He already played a Roman Emperor in Gladiator.
Yup at the time Alexander came out I got pumped by watch a bunch of sword and sandal movies. Halfway though in the theater I thought the same thing. Joaquin would have been perfect. I always imagined Alexander as somewhat like Commodus at least emotionally. Just make him actually be a badass and bam perfect.
i see him more as a Ceaser or napoleon
I love the accent argument. By that logic, why aren't they speaking in ancient Greek? Why isn't Farrel speaking in an ancient Greek accent? It's like criticising Julius Caesar because they don't sound like ancient Romans or speak in perfect Latin, it's just silly and pedantic, as the characters' accents aren't the focal point of a historical drama, the things we can actually verify are.
".. *To the Strongest* .."
*-Alexander the Great*
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«.. *Tῷ Kρατίστῳ* ..»
[To Kratisto]
*-Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας*