My ATF fluid research has led me to discover the following information. I document it here as well as on several Wikipedia pages I created/modified on Mercon, Dexron, Mopar, and Toyota automatic transmission fluids. Lifetime Fluids and Dipstick-less Transmissions: The 1967 Ford Type-F fluid specification was intended to produce a “lifetime” fluid which would never need to be changed. This is the first of many Ford “lifetime” fluids. The 1974 Ford Car Shop Manual reads "The automatic transmission is filled at the factory with "lifetime" fluid. If it is necessary to add or replace fluid, use only fluids which meet Ford Specification M2C33F. Many other transmission manufacturers have followed with their own "Lifetime" automatic transmission fluids". To understand how a fluid can last a "lifetime", a study of the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive Fluid is needed. The November 1954 edition of Lubrication Magazine (Published by The Texas Company, later known as Texaco) featured a story called "Evolution of the Chrysler PowerFlite Automatic Transmission". This article described the fluid used in the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive and its subsequent revisions and enhancements through 1954. A section of the feature described the lubrication of the Fluid Drive's fluid coupling, it reads "The fluid drive fluid coupling is partially filled with Mopar Fluid Drive Fluid, a special highly refined straight mineral oil with a viscosity of about 185 SUS at 100° F., excellent inherent oxidation stability, high viscosity index (100), excellent ability to rapidly reject air, very low natural pour point ( -25° F.) , ability to adequately lubricate the pilot ball bearing and seal surface, and neutrality towards the seal bellows. The fluid operates under almost ideal conditions in what is essentially a hermetically sealed case, the small amount of atmospheric oxygen initially present being removed by harmless reaction with the fluid so as to leave a residual inert (nitrogen) atmosphere. As a consequence it has not been necessary to drain and replace the fluid, and the level-check recommendation has been successively extended from the original 2,500 miles to 15,500 miles and finally to "never" - or the life of the car. Since drains and level checks were not only unnecessary but frequently harmful ( through the introduction of more air, and seal-destroying dirt) Chrysler eventually left off the tempting level inspection plugs. This mechanism is therefore one of the very few that is actually lubricated for the life of the car. There are now myriad examples of couplings that have operated well over 100,000 miles without any attention whatsoever and were still in perfect condition when the car was retired." Umbrella Style Automatic Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) from a 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if the transmission case could be hermetically sealed, but transmissions have several potential entry points for air: 1. The Dipstick Tube. Any transmission with a dipstick tube has the potential to let additional oxygen into the transmission through a dipstick or dipstick tube plug that is not fully seated in the tube, or through the process of using the dipstick to check the fluid level. Many modern transmissions do not have a dipstick, they have sealed transmission fluid level check plugs. By removing the dipstick, the transmission manufacturer has also removed a potential entry point for oxygen; this reduces the potential for fluid oxidation. A sealed transmission will have longer transmission fluid life than a non-sealed transmission. 2. The Transmission Vent. Transmissions need vents to compensate for internal pressure changes that occur with temperature changes. Without those vents, pressure could build resulting in seal and gasket leaks. Older transmissions had large vents with not much more than a steel wool filter to keep out larger contaminates. The large vents allowed for easy inlet and outlet of air which results in additional oxygen being introduced into the transmission. Oxygen reacts with transmission fluid and can cause oxidation, rust, and corrosion. Ford, and other transmission manufacturers have learned to use smaller vents with one-way Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) valves in them to prevent oxygen entry into their transmissions. Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if it comes from an unopened container 1. Containers storing automatic transmission fluid (ATF) should always be sealed; if exposed to the atmosphere, ATF may absorb moisture and potentially cause shift concerns. 2. When performing repairs on ATF equipped transmissions, it is important to use only new, clean ATF when refilling the transmission. Never reuse ATF. Lifetime automatic transmission fluids made from higher quality base oil and an additive package are more chemically stabile, less reactive, and do not experience oxidation as easily as lower quality fluids made from lower quality base oil and an additive package. Therefore, higher quality transmission fluids can last a long time in normal driving conditions (Typically 100,000 miles (160,000 km) or more). The definition of 'Lifetime Fluid" differs from transmission manufacturer to transmission manufacturer. Always consult the vehicle maintenance guide for the proper service interval for the fluid in your transmission and your driving conditions. Example: A 2018 Ford F-150 with "Lifetime Fluid" could have three different fluid service intervals depending upon how the vehicle is driven: 1. Normal Driving - Normal commuting with highway driving, No, or moderate, load or towing, Flat to moderately hilly roads, No extended idling. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 150,000 mi (240,000 km) 2. Severe Driving - Moderate to heavy load or towing, Mountainous or off-road conditions, Extended idling, Extended hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km) 3. Extreme Driving - Maximum load or towing, Extreme hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km)
WeberAuto I really don’t like that car manufacturers don’t have dip sticks or ways to fill and drain auto transmissions anymore. I have a manual in my mustang and it’s Still a pain to change. The fill bolt is a pain in the ass to get to and instead of pumping it in I put a hose through the shift boot into the fill hole and hade a funnel connected to the other side and slowly filled it up. It was a slow process lol and I had to have someone watch to make sure the fluid wasn’t dripping down the side of the transmission.
Summit and Jegs sell a dipstick kit for this Transmission. I put the kit in my daughters 2007 Mustang after I took the pan down and replaced the transmission filter when the car went over 100k miles. The kit comes with a replacement transmission pan adapted to except the new dipstick holder tube and dipstick. It is so much easier to service the transmission now from under the hood like we did years ago with our vehicles. Refilling the Trans is a breeze now after replacing the Trans filter or to just check it. I can still check the fluid both ways either under the car or under the hood. It is so much easier to add fluid to the transmission now. Before the replacement Transmission kit what a pain it was trying to fill the transmission from the bottom of the car the only way it could be done.
Thanks for the video! I just added fluid to my 2005 Ford Mustang with the 4.0 v-6 engine. That pump was to expensive to buy, so they actually make a nipple specifically for adding fluids to the transmission on that model of mustang. I bought the nipple on e-bay for amazon. I paid $11 or $12 for it. I bought a little 12 volt fluid transfer pump on e-bay for diesel fuel for $20. It has the alligator clips that I just hook up to an extra car battery I keep around the garage and it works great for the project.
Thank you, professor. This fluid checking for my 2006 mustang was a mystery to me until now. [ OTC tools sells an adapter to connect to the drain plug, then use suction gun to add fluid [ part number for adapter OTC-6604 ]
I don’t even have a decent funnel... Ford expects me to have a hoist, a special fluid-adding contraption, and a FRIEND? Ridiculous. But seriously, theoretically could I add fluid immediately once I discover it’s low and while it’s still running as long as I don’t let the temp get too high? Great video thank you!
Really well done, to the book and very informative. Seems that Ford engineers designed the AT so that the owners/DIY mechanic were out of the equation. Maybe warranty concerns, etc. thank you for this video!!
You can go to harbor freight and buy a 40-50 dollar pump and use that . The only difference is you just won’t have the so called special adapters. Just stick the plastic tubing up inside the transmission and pump the fluid in until it spills back out. I run my own auto shop and i do this quite often and have never had problems with this method.
You can buy a transmission pan w/ dipstick tube & stick for around $230.00 through Late Model Restoration . There are other sources as well. I have not purchased one but it sounds like a real good idea.
Crazy to see Weber State here, my aunt is a professor there and my family has gone there for years! Thanks a ton for the video, going to make filling the transmission in my new 05 'stang way easier!
Most modern transmissions have a similar design. This is something called "lubed for life". If you think that is ridiculous wait till your car has no engine dipstick. A lot of Mercedes and BMW cars are like that. They just want your car to fail so you trade it in and buy a new one.
Larry Mac - I disagree ! This is a much better design than Ford's first attempt at eliminating the the dipstick where they just removed the tube and installed a very short dipstick in the same hole. (goo.gl/VN7j7r) Of course it could only be reached from under the vehicle. It also require a pump to fill. Personally, I think I would fill to the top of the stand pipe level while the engine is warming up and then just leave the inner plug out until the engine hit 100-120F.
This is a great video. Nice job man. I appreciate it. I really do. I was losing my freaking mind looking for the transmission dip stick. 😂😂😂 thanks again
John, as always VERY informative video! A couple of questions: 1) what's the best solution/solvent to clean the Mityvac container after the job is complete? 2) does your wife know you're using her baking pan in the shop. Regards, Mario
Thank you! Those are great questions! lol 1. I don't use a solvent to clean then tank, I just wipe it out and install the next fluid. You might check the Mity Vac website to see what they recommend. 2. I don't tell her ;) I use muffin tins and baking pans for my students to organize transmission parts while working on them. Recently I started using ziplock bags instead. Thanks for watching!
Dude, I have a 2013 Scion TC and it's just a bad and friggin" stupid!!! No disrespect. These auto makers are purposely doing this on f&*king purpose just to make it harder on the guy/gal who wants to do their own maintenance and not get raped by the stealership! I'm going old school very soon and not looking back.
Professor Kelly, This is very similar to all aircraft electrical generation transmissions and some flap transmissions. In the aircraft electrical Integrated Drive Generators(IDG’s) we cannot service them while the aircraft engine((Accessory Transmissions is moving at high speeds) is running due to the High Pressures produced by the oil in the transmission. There is also much more to be said about the workings of the IDG’s or Constant Speed Drives(CSD’s) but in our case oil needs to be added. On the Boeing 757’s Pratt or Rolls there is a prism sight gauge that is very hard to read if one isn’t at the correct angle. We use a fill and overflow tool to get reference of how much oil was added right after shutdown. I kept a ton of info out just to keep a relationship between cars and aircraft. My question is I heard of the saying growing up: “Oil is Better than No Oil...” I say this because of my limited space, at home I can place my Explorer on 4 Jack Stands but time safety and other constraints will prevent me from being able to have easy access. Most likely I will bring my Explorer to my Base Hobby Shop so that I can access the transmission safely. But for the mechanic that cannot afford a shop or to pay for the service I would like to ask if there is any alternative way of servicing the transmission for people that do not have access to lifts? If I’m putting too much thought into this topic, my love for learning all types of systems and finding alternative ways of completing a task safely and being able to repair my children’s vehicles without them going in debt I ask this in depth question.
True, this is the system shown in the video www.amazon.com/Mityvac-MV6412-ATF-Refill-System/dp/B00B1SLSIS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1500900561&sr=8-6&keywords=aTF+pump
Great information this is ford dealership training level information and the fact that you torqued the fluid level plug awesome if only every one did this in real life
At least with a mini dipstick in the 6R you can quickly check the ATF level when on the hoist for an OC. That Mity Vac kit with all the adaptors looks frighteningly expensive to me for the average small shop operator We had those 5R transmission in the Australian Ford Falcon . We called them the 'problematic' transmission due to various issues you would be aware of John. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for the feedback, I don't remember what the mighty vac kit cost, but i think it was around $350. The kit works on many other transmissions as well.
Was that hard for them to provision an electronic check of the fluid level? Is there any aftermarket solution for replacing the small dipsticks/missing dipsticks with electronic level checker? Excellent presentation, Dr. Kelly!
M. CTR how about all 3 ways of checking the fluid levels. Good idea by the way but I've seen computers mess up so as the old standby I like checking it win I open the bonnet at the Side of the road way or at home and the plug would come in handy if I over fill it by accident it's probably the laziest and quickest way of emptying the excess fluid
I was wondering if you know when is it time to change or add trans, oil. I bought my car brand new back in 2008 an I have never done or know if they have ever checked my trans oil.
Thanks for your feedback. Many people have never seen a transmission without a dipstick. The first one I ever worked on was a 1994.5 Chevrolet Cavalier with the 4T40-E transaxle.
I used a water blaster water gun it was the only thing I had on hand I taped hose to it stuck the hose in the gallon of fluid to draw it up then used the water gun to pump 2courts into the transmission and then we were done
Great video sir!! Thank you for taking the time to teaching us this!! Sir I do have a quick question what software can I use on my laptop to monitor the temperature of my transmission and other things along with my engine are you familiar with a good software? Thank you
Hello, Mr. Kelly. I write you concerning a friend of mine, with the same problem: he wants to check the ATF fluid from his car. The car is a Ford Focus (here in Europe), 2016, with the 1.5 turbo gasoline EcoBoost engine. The transmission is Ford 6F35. He also needs to know the necessary ATF temperature for the right fluid level. So, if you are so kind please help my friend, with this matter. Thank you in advance.
I think a clear plastic squeeze bottle with a cone shaped nipple would fill the transmission just as well and very cheaply. Being that it's clear you could see fluid drain back in telling you it's full.
Could low fluid cause my 2006 mustang gt to stall at times when first starting my car and putting it in drive or reverse been chasing this issue for some time
No, but a torque converter clutch that is staying applied in in 1st and reverse can do that. It sounds like a hydraulic valve body or solenoid problem. Best wishes!
As a non mechanic, I've always thought that ATF was something you really wanted to keep of your skin. Is it less of an issue with newer formulations? or are nitrile or other resistant gloves still highly recomended?
Good point. It does not seem to irritate my skin, but I should be wearing nitrile gloves anyway. Latex gloves swell up when ATF gets on them. Thanks for your feedback!
I'm no mechanic so any feedback would be appreciated. When i put my 2008 ford mustang in drive it just revs, it i put it in 3rd gear it goes. When i put it in reverse it just revs. Could having low transmission fluid he the issue?
Hi there. In an Opel Corsa E, august 2015, 1.4 otto engine, and 6 speed automatic transmission, what this ATF temperature would be, for checking its level? Thanks.
On a side note... Just buy the proper threaded connector, a funnel and length of hose that will reach above the tranny and fill it. You could also use a bottle and rig up a small bicycle pump to pressurize it.
So my trans started slipping today and I immediately parked the car , my 2005 Mustang just hit 99k miles and I’m the second owner , previous owner did not do the transmission oil change , do you think changing the oil and filter and gasket could work out?
Why didn't they just put a normal dipstick in that has simply worked for the last 100 year's. Is it because the trans pressure is to high or something?
Where can you buy this pump or special tool to pump oil into the transmission I changed my tranny in my 2010 mustang need to put oil in to don’t know where to get this tool
Good to know... but, I know damn well the local Ford dealerships do not take the time or conduct the proper setup for checking the tranny fluid levels.... too bad, since they charge for it?
Why wouldn't the fluid in the mighty vac be the right fluid? You were the one to put it in there, correct? Or maybe they are talking about a shop where many people use the vac?
Running the engine also runs the transmission fluid pump to fill up the torque converter, cooler lines, and internal passages inside the transmission. Without the engine running, that fluid would all go back into the oil pan giving you a false "overfilled" indication. Best wishes
WeberAuto ahh gotcha thank you. I have seen other other vids on here showing this procedure but they didn’t have the engine running when they removed the plug. I wish ford had put the conventional tranny dipstick in my mustang. Cheers
Temperature range should be from 35C to 45C or 40C to 45C & what is the benefit of changing shifter kit that is available on ebay for U760E transmission
Because humans are involved. It is very common to have an under filled or over filled transmission, axle, engine, etc. from the factory. That is why the dealership is supposed to do a Pre-delivery inspection. Thanks for your feedback.
Who is moving the gear selector? While it's 8 ft in the air on the lift? What was wrong with the old design Ford? I wish Tom was still the engineer for Mustang
The engine must be running before you remove the check plug or you will drain out too much fluid. With the engine running, pump some back in and do it again . Best wishes.
What used to be done simply and quickly with a dipstick and a funnel now requires a hoist to lift the entire vehicle, a special torque wrench, a special torque bit, a specialized tank, a special tool and pump to add the fluid, and specialized software. That's absolutely ridiculous.
So nice and easy when your sitting down on a chair working on a new car in a shop with all the nice expensive proper tools. So in other words get yourself about five bricks for each wheel. Crawl your ass underneath there with some type of harbor freight bullshit tool. And hope for the best. 😂
Great video but the average owner is not going to have the computer and the pump to service their auto. Another Ford design to require the owner to return to Ford Service Centers. Wonder what this service costs at the Ford Dealership????
Now I know why people love old cars they are meant to last & simple I have a o9 Tacoma & o11 mustang and they don't have a dipstick for the transmission soon they won't have a engine transmission either lol
@@peterkaufman1379 You've got the two piece ones that break off below the threads when you try to remove them? It took and 80 dollar kit and a weekend for me to get all 6 that broke out, and would have been 150 per plug at the shop. I thought it was only 05-08 or so but I could be wrong
My ATF fluid research has led me to discover the following information. I document it here as well as on several Wikipedia pages I created/modified on Mercon, Dexron, Mopar, and Toyota automatic transmission fluids.
Lifetime Fluids and Dipstick-less Transmissions:
The 1967 Ford Type-F fluid specification was intended to produce a “lifetime” fluid which would never need to be changed. This is the first of many Ford “lifetime” fluids. The 1974 Ford Car Shop Manual reads "The automatic transmission is filled at the factory with "lifetime" fluid. If it is necessary to add or replace fluid, use only fluids which meet Ford Specification M2C33F. Many other transmission manufacturers have followed with their own "Lifetime" automatic transmission fluids".
To understand how a fluid can last a "lifetime", a study of the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive Fluid is needed. The November 1954 edition of Lubrication Magazine (Published by The Texas Company, later known as Texaco) featured a story called "Evolution of the Chrysler PowerFlite Automatic Transmission". This article described the fluid used in the 1939 Chrysler Fluid Drive and its subsequent revisions and enhancements through 1954.
A section of the feature described the lubrication of the Fluid Drive's fluid coupling, it reads "The fluid drive fluid coupling is partially filled with Mopar Fluid Drive Fluid, a special highly refined straight mineral oil with a viscosity of about 185 SUS at 100° F., excellent inherent oxidation stability, high viscosity index (100), excellent ability to rapidly reject air, very low natural pour point ( -25° F.) , ability to adequately lubricate the pilot ball bearing and seal surface, and neutrality towards the seal bellows.
The fluid operates under almost ideal conditions in what is essentially a hermetically sealed case, the small amount of atmospheric oxygen initially present being removed by harmless reaction with the fluid so as to leave a residual inert (nitrogen) atmosphere. As a consequence it has not been necessary to drain and replace the fluid, and the level-check recommendation has been successively extended from the original 2,500 miles to 15,500 miles and finally to "never" - or the life of the car.
Since drains and level checks were not only unnecessary but frequently harmful ( through the introduction of more air, and seal-destroying dirt) Chrysler eventually left off the tempting level inspection plugs. This mechanism is therefore one of the very few that is actually lubricated for the life of the car. There are now myriad examples of couplings that have operated well over 100,000 miles without any attention whatsoever and were still in perfect condition when the car was retired."
Umbrella Style Automatic Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) from a 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV
Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if the transmission case could be hermetically sealed, but transmissions have several potential entry points for air:
1. The Dipstick Tube. Any transmission with a dipstick tube has the potential to let additional oxygen into the transmission through a dipstick or dipstick tube plug that is not fully seated in the tube, or through the process of using the dipstick to check the fluid level. Many modern transmissions do not have a dipstick, they have sealed transmission fluid level check plugs. By removing the dipstick, the transmission manufacturer has also removed a potential entry point for oxygen; this reduces the potential for fluid oxidation. A sealed transmission will have longer transmission fluid life than a non-sealed transmission.
2. The Transmission Vent. Transmissions need vents to compensate for internal pressure changes that occur with temperature changes. Without those vents, pressure could build resulting in seal and gasket leaks. Older transmissions had large vents with not much more than a steel wool filter to keep out larger contaminates. The large vents allowed for easy inlet and outlet of air which results in additional oxygen being introduced into the transmission. Oxygen reacts with transmission fluid and can cause oxidation, rust, and corrosion. Ford, and other transmission manufacturers have learned to use smaller vents with one-way Transmission Air Breathing Suppressor (TABS) valves in them to prevent oxygen entry into their transmissions.
Any automatic transmission fluid will last longer if it comes from an unopened container
1. Containers storing automatic transmission fluid (ATF) should always be sealed; if exposed to the atmosphere, ATF may absorb moisture and potentially cause shift concerns.
2. When performing repairs on ATF equipped transmissions, it is important to use only new, clean ATF when refilling the transmission. Never reuse ATF.
Lifetime automatic transmission fluids made from higher quality base oil and an additive package are more chemically stabile, less reactive, and do not experience oxidation as easily as lower quality fluids made from lower quality base oil and an additive package. Therefore, higher quality transmission fluids can last a long time in normal driving conditions (Typically 100,000 miles (160,000 km) or more).
The definition of 'Lifetime Fluid" differs from transmission manufacturer to transmission manufacturer. Always consult the vehicle maintenance guide for the proper service interval for the fluid in your transmission and your driving conditions. Example: A 2018 Ford F-150 with "Lifetime Fluid" could have three different fluid service intervals depending upon how the vehicle is driven:
1. Normal Driving - Normal commuting with highway driving, No, or moderate, load or towing, Flat to moderately hilly roads, No extended idling. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 150,000 mi (240,000 km)
2. Severe Driving - Moderate to heavy load or towing, Mountainous or off-road conditions, Extended idling, Extended hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km)
3. Extreme Driving - Maximum load or towing, Extreme hot or cold operation. Replace automatic transmission fluid every 30,000 mi (48,000 km)
WeberAuto I really don’t like that car manufacturers don’t have dip sticks or ways to fill and drain auto transmissions anymore. I have a manual in my mustang and it’s
Still a pain to change. The fill bolt is a pain in the ass to get to and instead of pumping it in I put a hose through the shift boot into the fill hole and hade a funnel connected to the other side and slowly filled it up. It was a slow process lol and I had to have someone watch to make sure the fluid wasn’t dripping down the side of the transmission.
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What a proceedure.. I guess a simple dipstick made too much sense. Bravo Ford engineers..
Jesus you’re a life saver. For whatever reason this is not talked about anywhere.
Summit and Jegs sell a dipstick kit for this Transmission. I put the kit in my daughters 2007 Mustang after I took the pan down and replaced the transmission filter when the car went over 100k miles. The kit comes with a replacement transmission pan adapted to except the new dipstick holder tube and dipstick. It is so much easier to service the transmission now from under the hood like we did years ago with our vehicles. Refilling the Trans is a breeze now after replacing the Trans filter or to just check it. I can still check the fluid both ways either under the car or under the hood. It is so much easier to add fluid to the transmission now. Before the replacement Transmission kit what a pain it was trying to fill the transmission from the bottom of the car the only way it could be done.
Thanks for your feedback
Thought I was losing it when I couldn't find the dipstick 😢. This is very inconvenient!
Thanks for the video! I just added fluid to my 2005 Ford Mustang with the 4.0 v-6 engine. That pump was to expensive to buy, so they actually make a nipple specifically for adding fluids to the transmission on that model of mustang. I bought the nipple on e-bay for amazon. I paid $11 or $12 for it. I bought a little 12 volt fluid transfer pump on e-bay for diesel fuel for $20. It has the alligator clips that I just hook up to an extra car battery I keep around the garage and it works great for the project.
Nice job
Thank you, professor. This fluid checking for my 2006 mustang was a mystery to me until now. [ OTC tools sells an adapter to connect to the drain plug, then use suction gun to add fluid [ part number for adapter OTC-6604 ]
Thank you! and thanks for your feedback
That was the BEST instructional video I've ever seen! Quick, concise, complete and to the point. Thanks for sharing!
BTW, John, you did a marvelous lecture on this. Excellent job. Thanks!
Thank you
@@WeberAuto I am a working car mechanic, I want to work with Possible
@@WeberAuto I want to work with you😊
Super glad I saw this before I went outside and had a fit looking for it. Thank you.
I don’t even have a decent funnel... Ford expects me to have a hoist, a special fluid-adding contraption, and a FRIEND? Ridiculous.
But seriously, theoretically could I add fluid immediately once I discover it’s low and while it’s still running as long as I don’t let the temp get too high?
Great video thank you!
Really well done, to the book and very informative. Seems that Ford engineers designed the AT so that the owners/DIY mechanic were out of the equation. Maybe warranty concerns, etc. thank you for this video!!
so instead of a $1.00 funnel, I need a $300 tool to add transmission fluid. How is this a better system?
Is not a better system, is Ford.
You can go to harbor freight and buy a 40-50 dollar pump and use that . The only difference is you just won’t have the so called special adapters. Just stick the plastic tubing up inside the transmission and pump the fluid in until it spills back out. I run my own auto shop and i do this quite often and have never had problems with this method.
You can also you use a 8$ manual transfer pump from harbor freight it should do the job if you are on a budget
Thank you for this, pretty much answered all my questions
You can buy a transmission pan w/ dipstick tube & stick for around $230.00 through
Late Model Restoration . There are other sources as well. I have not purchased one but it sounds like a real good idea.
Thanks for your feedback
Crazy to see Weber State here, my aunt is a professor there and my family has gone there for years! Thanks a ton for the video, going to make filling the transmission in my new 05 'stang way easier!
Thank you!
What a ridiculous design. Great presentation though.
Thank you!
Most modern transmissions have a similar design. This is something called "lubed for life". If you think that is ridiculous wait till your car has no engine dipstick. A lot of Mercedes and BMW cars are like that. They just want your car to fail so you trade it in and buy a new one.
Larry Mac - I disagree ! This is a much better design than Ford's first attempt at eliminating the the dipstick where they just removed the tube and installed a very short dipstick in the same hole. (goo.gl/VN7j7r) Of course it could only be reached from under the vehicle. It also require a pump to fill.
Personally, I think I would fill to the top of the stand pipe level while the engine is warming up and then just leave the inner plug out until the engine hit 100-120F.
@@jackpatteeuw9244 you don't know what you're talking about
@@psychotrucker9880 Lol it's almost like jack didn't even watch the video.
Excellent video with perfect easy to understand explanations, thanks.
Thank you!
This is a great video. Nice job man. I appreciate it. I really do. I was losing my freaking mind looking for the transmission dip stick. 😂😂😂 thanks again
Awesome video, thank you for sharing your knowledge. That car is really clean underneath for a 7 year old car.
Thank you! It is a training vehicle with only a few miles on it.
Excellent demonstration Captain, you are the best, short and clear !
John, as always VERY informative video!
A couple of questions:
1) what's the best solution/solvent to clean the Mityvac container after the job is complete?
2) does your wife know you're using her baking pan in the shop.
Regards,
Mario
Thank you! Those are great questions! lol 1. I don't use a solvent to clean then tank, I just wipe it out and install the next fluid. You might check the Mity Vac website to see what they recommend. 2. I don't tell her ;) I use muffin tins and baking pans for my students to organize transmission parts while working on them. Recently I started using ziplock bags instead. Thanks for watching!
Nice! Simpler than the Toyota method I saw the other day. That Mustang looks like it’s a teaching tool. Underside looks showroom fresh.
Dude, I have a 2013 Scion TC and it's just a bad and friggin" stupid!!! No disrespect. These auto makers are purposely doing this on f&*king purpose just to make it harder on the guy/gal who wants to do their own maintenance and not get raped by the stealership! I'm going old school very soon and not looking back.
Thanks John , i just don't get their logic . they went that far , they should have just put a fluid level sensor in
Thank you! That would be nice
That's what I thought too.
Professor Kelly, This is very similar to all aircraft electrical generation transmissions and some flap transmissions. In the aircraft electrical Integrated Drive Generators(IDG’s) we cannot service them while the aircraft engine((Accessory Transmissions is moving at high speeds) is running due to the High Pressures produced by the oil in the transmission. There is also much more to be said about the workings of the IDG’s or Constant Speed Drives(CSD’s) but in our case oil needs to be added. On the Boeing 757’s Pratt or Rolls there is a prism sight gauge that is very hard to read if one isn’t at the correct angle. We use a fill and overflow tool to get reference of how much oil was added right after shutdown. I kept a ton of info out just to keep a relationship between cars and aircraft. My question is I heard of the saying growing up: “Oil is Better than No Oil...” I say this because of my limited space, at home I can place my Explorer on 4 Jack Stands but time safety and other constraints will prevent me from being able to have easy access. Most likely I will bring my Explorer to my Base Hobby Shop so that I can access the transmission safely. But for the mechanic that cannot afford a shop or to pay for the service I would like to ask if there is any alternative way of servicing the transmission for people that do not have access to lifts? If I’m putting too much thought into this topic, my love for learning all types of systems and finding alternative ways of completing a task safely and being able to repair my children’s vehicles without them going in debt I ask this in depth question.
Excellent feedback! Thank you
You can still get the cheap tool from OTC on Amazon. It runs about $18 then the standard pump that fits quart bottles.
True, this is the system shown in the video www.amazon.com/Mityvac-MV6412-ATF-Refill-System/dp/B00B1SLSIS/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1500900561&sr=8-6&keywords=aTF+pump
Thank you I've been looking all over the place to find out how I check the transmission fluid since I dont have a dipstick and couldnt find anything
Great detailed video, thank you.
Great video, I can see what direction Ford is going with the no transmission dip stick.....
Thank for your feedback!
Would you recommend changing the entirety of the transmission fluid at some point in the vehicle's life?
Great information this is ford dealership training level information and the fact that you torqued the fluid level plug awesome if only every one did this in real life
Thank you! We teach our students to follow the instructions.
Great video ! Thank you .I have used a lucas squirt bottle I squeeze it in 👍👍🐎🐎🐎🐎
Sounds great! Thanks for watching
ALWAYS and interesting and informative video. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you!
Thanks for your videos 👍🏿
Thank you!
thanks for sharing your knowledge ...
Thank you!
Is it OK to put fluid in through one of the top holes at first to to get the bulk amount of fluid in?
At least with a mini dipstick in the 6R you can quickly check the ATF level when on the hoist for an OC. That Mity Vac kit with all the adaptors looks frighteningly expensive to me for the average small shop operator We had those 5R transmission in the Australian Ford Falcon . We called them the 'problematic' transmission due to various issues you would be aware of John. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for the feedback, I don't remember what the mighty vac kit cost, but i think it was around $350. The kit works on many other transmissions as well.
ouch expensive, making your own from a pump up "sprayer" sounds like the best plan.
Thank u for sharing,Excellent work...
Thank you very much!
Was that hard for them to provision an electronic check of the fluid level?
Is there any aftermarket solution for replacing the small dipsticks/missing dipsticks with electronic level checker?
Excellent presentation, Dr. Kelly!
Thank you! I am not aware of an aftermarket solution. Best wishes
M. CTR how about all 3 ways of checking the fluid levels. Good idea by the way but I've seen computers mess up so as the old standby I like checking it win I open the bonnet at the Side of the road way or at home and the plug would come in handy if I over fill it by accident it's probably the laziest and quickest way of emptying the excess fluid
...they don't need an electronic monitor...they just need to put a d@mned normal dipstick on it...
Wow, I can see the majority of these transmissions will never be checked.
Probably
I was wondering if you know when is it time to change or add trans, oil. I bought my car brand new back in 2008 an I have never done or know if they have ever checked my trans oil.
Check the maintenance guide in your owner's manual. I suspect it is around 100,000 miles
What about filling it up with a large syringe? Isnt it much cheaper?
Thanks John nice video excellent info .!
Thank you!
Thank you for the video
ford needs to make it easier for us to check the F fluid. come ON FORD!
Thanks for your feedback!
Great Video.
I've been doing this since 1996 on Volkswagen cars !
Thanks for your feedback. Many people have never seen a transmission without a dipstick. The first one I ever worked on was a 1994.5 Chevrolet Cavalier with the 4T40-E transaxle.
Really I never knew some older GM cars had no dip sticks was this a Hydramatic transmission ? Or it was built by someone else?
I used a water blaster water gun it was the only thing I had on hand I taped hose to it stuck the hose in the gallon of fluid to draw it up then used the water gun to pump 2courts into the transmission and then we were done
LOL, I guess necessity is the mother of invention. Thanks for watching!
Great video sir!! Thank you for taking the time to teaching us this!! Sir I do have a quick question what software can I use on my laptop to monitor the temperature of my transmission and other things along with my engine are you familiar with a good software? Thank you
hello i have 2003 ford mustang .. do you think the same procedure?
If it has a five speed transmission, yes
No. It has a dip stick.
Hello, Mr. Kelly.
I write you concerning a friend of mine, with the same problem: he wants to check the ATF fluid from his car.
The car is a Ford Focus (here in Europe), 2016, with the 1.5 turbo gasoline EcoBoost engine. The transmission is Ford 6F35.
He also needs to know the necessary ATF temperature for the right fluid level.
So, if you are so kind please help my friend, with this matter.
Thank you in advance.
85-93 degrees C, Mercon LV fluid. Best wishes
Thank you!
I think a clear plastic squeeze bottle with a cone shaped nipple would fill the transmission just as well and very cheaply. Being that it's clear you could see fluid drain back in telling you it's full.
Thanks for your feedback
Yep....that works perfectly. Takes a little time....but works
I just did this last night it was a pain working with no lift and after hours
What did you use to add fluid
Could low fluid cause my 2006 mustang gt to stall at times when first starting my car and putting it in drive or reverse been chasing this issue for some time
No, but a torque converter clutch that is staying applied in in 1st and reverse can do that. It sounds like a hydraulic valve body or solenoid problem. Best wishes!
Ford had their head up their butt on this one. A simple dipstick would have been so much better for the consumer.
Thanks for watching
As a non mechanic, I've always thought that ATF was something you really wanted to keep of your skin. Is it less of an issue with newer formulations? or are nitrile or other resistant gloves still highly recomended?
Good point. It does not seem to irritate my skin, but I should be wearing nitrile gloves anyway. Latex gloves swell up when ATF gets on them. Thanks for your feedback!
I'm no mechanic so any feedback would be appreciated. When i put my 2008 ford mustang in drive it just revs, it i put it in 3rd gear it goes. When i put it in reverse it just revs. Could having low transmission fluid he the issue?
Thank you for this info
Does this apply to a 2007 Ford mustang
No, it has a different system
Nice video Sr
Hi there.
In an Opel Corsa E, august 2015, 1.4 otto engine, and 6 speed automatic transmission, what this ATF temperature would be, for checking its level?
Thanks.
Hi, I don't know the answer for that one. Best wishes!
On a side note... Just buy the proper threaded connector, a funnel and length of hose that will reach above the tranny and fill it. You could also use a bottle and rig up a small bicycle pump to pressurize it.
Thanks for watching
Does the car have to be level? Because jacking it up with a floor Jack would throw off the fluids level right?
Yes
great videos
Thank you!
Wo... Thanks for this great information. :-)
Thank you!
Awesome job
Thanks Ken!
So my trans started slipping today and I immediately parked the car , my 2005 Mustang just hit 99k miles and I’m the second owner , previous owner did not do the transmission oil change , do you think changing the oil and filter and gasket could work out?
Nice video, One question if its overflow when you drive y 1sr shift in a hill and acelarate like 60 or 80 kmp it can drop from other parts or seals?
what about other models like Hyundai and Kia which are no dipstick?
Could you use a suction vacuum extractor
to transfer new oil from the bottle and have the other end where that little nut dipstock is at?
Good question. I do not know
Idk which is cleaner, the Mustang or the shop :')
LOL. I like clean! Thanks for watching
awesome job
Why didn't they just put a normal dipstick in that has simply worked for the last 100 year's. Is it because the trans pressure is to high or something?
I’d like to install a drain plug and dipstick into the engineers that came up with this idea!
Dumbest piece of engineering design EVER!
Designed like this on purpose, to blow up your transmission.
Where can you buy this pump or special tool to pump oil into the transmission I changed my tranny in my 2010 mustang need to put oil in to don’t know where to get this tool
Great explanation. But I wish I bought a manual
Great job thank you
Add a link on where to buy that kit
Good to know... but, I know damn well the local Ford dealerships do not take the time or conduct the proper setup for checking the tranny fluid levels.... too bad, since they charge for it?
I have a 2007 mustang. And I've had it with Ford!! $180 to change the transmission oil!!!!
Why wouldn't the fluid in the mighty vac be the right fluid? You were the one to put it in there, correct? Or maybe they are talking about a shop where many people use the vac?
En cuantos minutos se calienta el aceite de la transmisión ala temperatura que dice que se debe aser ese procedimiento
How much a service like that may cost ?
what would you recommend somebody without a computer app to monitor the tranny temp?
A surface contact thermometer, no infrared temp guns.
WeberAuto thank you so much , great videos keep up the excellent job
What is the purpose of having the engine running in order to remove and or replace the fluid level check plug?
Running the engine also runs the transmission fluid pump to fill up the torque converter, cooler lines, and internal passages inside the transmission. Without the engine running, that fluid would all go back into the oil pan giving you a false "overfilled" indication. Best wishes
WeberAuto ahh gotcha thank you. I have seen other other vids on here showing this procedure but they didn’t have the engine running when they removed the plug. I wish ford had put the conventional tranny dipstick in my mustang. Cheers
What does charging the sensor system mean
On a 2007 Ford mustang what does charging system service mean
Battery or alt issue maybe i have the same message but everything seems ok
What is the procedure for 2013 Rav4 with cold engine
The Rav4 uses The U760 transmission and this procedure: ua-cam.com/video/cNcecuGzTDg/v-deo.html Best wishes!
Temperature range should be from 35C to 45C or 40C to 45C & what is the benefit of changing shifter kit that is available on ebay for U760E transmission
Why would a closed system from the factory be low?
Because humans are involved. It is very common to have an under filled or over filled transmission, axle, engine, etc. from the factory. That is why the dealership is supposed to do a Pre-delivery inspection. Thanks for your feedback.
job assurance?
Who is moving the gear selector? While it's 8 ft in the air on the lift?
What was wrong with the old design Ford?
I wish Tom was still the engineer for Mustang
I had an assistant in the vehicle. Thanks for your feedback.
How much dose ford charge to do this ? Can I do it myself at home ?
So I did the check plug and a lot of it drained out, I started it for a sec and a little more came out, after it's done am I good to go?
The engine must be running before you remove the check plug or you will drain out too much fluid. With the engine running, pump some back in and do it again . Best wishes.
What used to be done simply and quickly with a dipstick and a funnel now requires a hoist to lift the entire vehicle, a special torque wrench, a special torque bit, a specialized tank, a special tool and pump to add the fluid, and specialized software. That's absolutely ridiculous.
Absolutely making you have to get your vehicle serviced with a nice hefty bill...
@@jrag1000 yeah. And the moron at the dealershit will overfill or under fill your transmission
So nice and easy when your sitting down on a chair working on a new car in a shop with all the nice expensive proper tools. So in other words get yourself about five bricks for each wheel. Crawl your ass underneath there with some type of harbor freight bullshit tool. And hope for the best. 😂
What about 2013 v6
Great video but the average owner is not going to have the computer and the pump to service their auto. Another Ford design to require the owner to return to Ford Service Centers. Wonder what this service costs at the Ford Dealership????
Now I know why people love old cars they are meant to last & simple I have a o9 Tacoma & o11 mustang and they don't have a dipstick for the transmission soon they won't have a engine transmission either lol
Thanks for your feedback. Manual transmissions don't have dipsticks either.
If I knew this before buying my 2011 mustang I wouldn’t have bought it.
Ba ha ha wait till you have to replace spark plugs. same dilemna
@@peterkaufman1379 At least you don't have the 05-07 spark plugs :D consider yourself lucky
@@stellanhughes2549 no I do hence the comment
@@peterkaufman1379 You've got the two piece ones that break off below the threads when you try to remove them? It took and 80 dollar kit and a weekend for me to get all 6 that broke out, and would have been 150 per plug at the shop. I thought it was only 05-08 or so but I could be wrong
@@stellanhughes2549 yeah, have 05. Got a mobile mechanic that had tools and pulled out like half hour on broken with chit chat.
On a 2007 Ford mustang system in the car saying charging service system