the '"girl-ification" of tiktok trends: girl dinner, girl math, and more
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girl power 2:16-5:54
girl boss 5:55-12:28
more “girl” language 12:29-14:54
girl dinner 14:55-16:22
girl math 16:23-17:51
girl rot 17:52-18:12
girl trend analysis 18:13-24:15
marketing/branding 24:16 - 32:30
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Interrogating Girl Power: Girlhood, Popular Media, and Postfeminism
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Girl Dinner is everything, so Girl Dinner is nothing” washington post
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The ‘Girlification’ Of Online Life Has A Dark Side” junkee.com/girl-dinner-gender...
What Does ‘Girl Power’ Really Mean?”
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Its ok! I didn’t even notice it
I cannot believe you never mentioned the movie Legally Blonde which encapsulates this dichotomy of female choices. I am joking of course. At least in that movie being a girl boss did not involve losing your femininity or ethics. Also, if we want femininity without consumerism…..that is called female tradition, which many modern people seem to be allergic to because they view any tradition as restraint and thus not something you want. People cannot have it both ways. They cannot say they do not want commercialized femininity while also refusing the opposite of culture and tradition.
Also, when being harmonious or similar is proverbially a sin you are going to get obsessive individualism. Combine that with commercialism as you get predictable results. That stacked on top of the other factors mentioned before gets a chaotic tangle.
I was really shocked that hello Kitty girls didn’t end up in thisss
Hey black girl
Why can’t women just have interests/hobbies without being criticized or labeled? All people have their own personalities, we don’t need to fit into a stereotype.
Yeah there are a lot of studies that show that purposefully highlighting the differences between men and women lead to women being less assertive in the work place. Going for promotions less, negotiating pay and raises less, going for leadership roles less often. We really should not devalue or value something because it is "feminine", we should value it because people like it.
yes, please! i am pretty feminine and have been made to feel anti-feminist because i like what i like 🥲 that’s not very feminist
the explanation of this is basically capitalism, everything has to be labeled and appealing for industry purposes
thank you I am eye opened and distressed
Im pretty sure it's women who come up with these stupid trends. Atleast, they sure are enjoying partaking in them
Being "overtly feminine" never went away, i think its ridiculous to pose as if it did. Being feminine has always been the standard, it doesnt matter how bashed "girl" things are, women are still expected to perform femininity. Its a double edged sword.
That's true. I've never thought of it that way. It was being bashed by both sides but desired and required by both sides too
Literally. People want us to be feminine but also hate women for being feminine. Then when a woman is NOT feminine or is pushed away from it then she's a woke feminazi. You literally can't win
i think she meant between women, since there was a rise of the "not like the other girls girl" who only is in a group of boys/men and not performing too much femininity and it was viewed as being cool, like Avril Lavigne was in the early 2000s
femininity is both praised, and expected to be the goal of a woman and also demonized and deemed shallow. we can truly never win.
edit: i just thought of this after sending the comment. it seems to me that women are only allowed femininity when they're forced into it. if you want to live femininity in your own way people say you're shallow etc. if you live femininity according to what others say it should be ur praised for being "traditional" "high value" or whatever. but the femininity they want is mostly an unachievable standard.
@@yeonblogright because even within this “archetype” (if that’s what you would call it) you’re still expected to perform a level of femininity just not to the same extent you would as a hyper fem. you can be the “cool girl” but you better be a brunette white girl with waist length hair
It’s funny because we’re infantilizing ourselves yet we’re more conscious of the ups and downs of adulthood than ever 😭
I wish I could remember the video talking about it, but a woman was touching on how we may but more prone to calling ourselves girls because many people are lacking the milestones associated with adulthood. Things like buying houses, finding “careers”, having kids, and other such milestones that have been made more unattainable with the economic downturn.
Yeah but at least learn how to cook. What's next? Being filthy because we can't do laundry or wash ourselves?
@@KFrost-fx7dtWho doesn’t know how to cook? Are you talking about “girl-dinner”? Because that’s about not caring how much you’re eating or how aesthetic or not it is. It’s about eating even if it’s a little amount or not something you could really call nutritious.
@@KFrost-fx7dt I’m unsure of where this conversation is coming from. Cooking is definitely a basically life skill, most of time “girl dinner” is used to describe what’s eaten when you’re tired after a long day. I’m sure you’ve had days where you’re exhausted and just eat something to fuel yourself. This exchange though was more focusing on the phenomenon of women calling themselves girls and what might be causing that.
@@Ellifirewas it this Rowan Ellis video? ua-cam.com/video/ot6RZa0qyCc/v-deo.htmlsi=NDjtbxLplSg5o5Bp
I was thinking about why the Barbie movie was so popular and I think it’s bc she’s unashamedly feminine but also absolutely taken seriously, it’s very difficult for a woman to be feminine and respected as an equal in male dominated spaces but Barbie absolutely is and women want that for themselves as well
barbie was NOT feminine lmfao.
pink doesn't make you feminine however "girlbossing" makes you masculine and no guy wants too deal with masculine women
I'm tired of trends in general. Anytime a trend starts, I'm like "oh no, not again"..
They spread like a disease with different strains. The moment one starts, it ends and then another begins. It never ends.
I think it’s just a part of how the internet works but it’s exhausting. I’d hate to be a teen in this generation honestly.
i think they’re fun😭 as long as you’re taking them lighthearted it’s not bad trends have always and will always exist
I hardly notice them if not for videos like these
@@sugarzblossom8168 true, and very often commentary channels will just go into it so deeply and so overanalyze and overthink it..
It's not even the trends for me. It's the way people have to randomly reference them like a weird tiktok induced tick.
Women can do whatever we want. I hate how were supposed to pigeonhole ourselves. "Girlboss" "career woman."
Like were just multifaceted people who can do whatever they want. Motherhood and career woman arent the only two options.
Do men debate on whether they should "commit to fatherhood" or "be a career boy?" noo
you just put my entire life’s beliefs into words
Our current archetypes of women are 2d commercialized cardboard cutouts instead of nuanced cultural traditions with multifaceted depth. Of course we have this problem. Someone gets the job of defining femininity and girlhood and womanhood. It used to be women and now it is corporations with the death of culture and traditions due to all of them being viewed as evil oppression.
THIS!! Because can we not just use one word to represent ALL women and girls in the universe?! Can we let things trend depending on a group of girls or women with shared ideals and goals, and want to have fun... Without forcing it onto every women, but also without making the girls having fun in a pop way feel like losers?! Let them! Let us!
If hyper femme is someone’s authentic expression, and it can be, why is it criticised?
@@Bexstarartist I'm not criticizing hyper femininity. Im criticizing the commodification of femininism and femininity as for-profit substitutes for our individual self-actualization.
i noticed with these "girl___" trends is that they always need to be disordered or obviously wrong (eg; girlmath = not doing correct math" and our overuse of the word 'girl' mixed in with these trends really doesnt help in letting us be taken seriously, i dont understand why we always have to be stupid in order to be funny.
I'd consider it ironic but also leaning in and embracing the fact some of us are a bit ditzy and that's okay. Me? I've been described as 'quick witted but not academic'. I can tell you the entire history of the Tudor family, sure, and my intelligence shines in my areas of speciality. But put me in a room with 'the smart people' and I have the persona of the debate scene in Clueless.
I like the irony that I get to just say, hey yeah society does consider me dumb but idc I'm allowed to just exist. It's relatable content and being 28 and in that little Zillennial cusp between stoic Millennials and sad Zoomers, I've always felt extremely pressured to 'be something I'm not to fit in.'
@@Moon0525_ okay the thing is that ironically perpetuating gender stereotypes is still perpetuating gender stereotypes. like if you're ditzy and dumb sometimes, that's perfectly fine, just be yourself. but labelled trends like these and "ironic jokes" aren't subverting or "reclaiming" anything they're just feeding the status quo. just be dumb without slapping the gender label on it, you know? even if you mean it with quirky intentions or whatever, intention vs impact is a distinction for a reason, women should be capable of being ourselves without needing a gendered label to feel affirmed about our behaviours or personalities.
@@miu__m I gender it because I gender everything about me. "I am woman", I'm not into the whole 'disestablish gender' movement where I'm simply seen as human rather than a girlygirl female head to toe. For me, every single behaviour, thought, action and part of my wardrobe is Femme and Girl.
And I'm not going to change myself to make others feel comfortable.
@@Moon0525_ this isn't about "destablishing gender" lmfao it's not some crazy political movement. it's just a simple fact that non-gendered things aren't gendered. food, clothes, behaviour inherently don't have a gender, that's just objective truth. you don't have to like it but it doesn't make it less true. no woman's sole experience defines what it means to be a woman, because we all experience womanhood differently, and that's okay. you can project onto it whatever you want at the end of the day it's just a projection and nothing more, because we're not a collective experience. nobody is asking you to stop doing things you like.
I personally love the 'girlification' trend. I think it reminds adults that it's okay to unleash your inner child/teenage self. Just because you're an adult doesn't mean you have to be GROWN all the time.
I guess it depends on how youre unleashing that.
Buying things isnt really feeding your inner child. Its just buying things you like, but the end point is still capitalism
This can widely depend on the person. For example, Legos were a huge part of my childhood. If I were to a buy a set right now and build it, I'd feel like I was a kid again. I mean yeah, it is capitalism, but children thrive off of capitalism just as much as adults lol
@@dontmindmeimjustchillingYeah but I’m still buying what I want just because I can and I want to. Unlike when I have think so deeply if it’s worth it, is it necessary, etc…
@@undercoverfangirl5491 Yeah thats cool. Tbh I guess I just don’t understand because I always operate how you’re describing, do I need it, is it worth it, etc, but thats just me.
Not talking sh*t, I just feel feel like this whole “discover your inner child” trend is on some businessmans google calendar, coming after “blueberry nails”.
I agree to a certain extent! Personally, I don’t like referring to women as girls because it does feel infantilizing since we don’t really call men boys unless it’s done in an infantilizing way. For me, it’s more empowering to call myself a woman who also enjoys “frivolous” things that I also enjoyed in my childhood + adolescence for the same reason you posted :)
this was a really good video! Honestly very informative about how consumerism and capitalism has become a big part of "femininity" nowadays, as a guy, I never really looked much into it but it does make a lot more sense now. Like this new wave of "girly" feminism ties into unhealthy expectations of consumerism leading to those that don't participate almost feeling alienated in a way. its like a vicious cycle.
The opposite of commercialized femininity is basically feminine traditions. Notice how traditions are about dead as a doornail now? People can’t have it both ways and say they don’t want commercialized femininity but still reject feminine traditions as well. Matter and anti matter…
welcome to the female commentary sphere bro, oh btw i recommend Brittany venti
@@bladethewitch1442She's a trip
as a girl I'm just a girl, with hobbies and interests like anyone else. I don't need a bunch of trendy labels or stuff added on, I'm just a girl. im just a person, not a collection of aesthetics that need to be carefully labeled and defined.
So girls can't wear anything that's trendy? You're logic isn't making sense
I think these trends are so tiring. It feels like as girls we can never keep up. There's always something new to hop on, not just clothes anymore. The person you are and everything you do down to the color you paint your nails is now a trend/brand. Like you said false actualization. It's always felt so disingenuous to me but I never understood why. Your explanation of it all helped me understand myself so much more as to why I've been feeling like that!!
The "clinicalization" of the girl dinner trend has struck me as odd because, as someone who's worked the closing shift at every job I've had, "girl dinner" represents not having the energy to cook a full meal. When I get home at 10pm after an 8 hour shift at a retail job, I just can't be bothered to put together anything that requires a cook time of anything more than 5 minutes in the microwave
Yes!!!!! I actually wish this was more talked about! I was talking to a male friend recently and he was really confused because he thought that girl dinner was basically an eating disorder and that it was called girl dinner because girls are so worried about eating too much. And I was like oh....no wait my girl dinners are because I'm too tired to ever cook an actual meal sometimes. Like I actually think girl dinner could be a really beneficial tool to talking about how we can not burn ourselves out so much that we don't even have the energy to give our body a basic need but instead, it's just being talked about as just like another quirky unhealthy thing girls do.
This! I took "girl dinner" to mean something that is quick and easy because "girls" or rather women are tired AF and want to eat without spending too much time or effort. Once women have children or a spouse, they can't get away with "girl dinner" because the other household members demand a "full dinner" that requires time and effort like chicken and rice for example, both things that are not as quick and easy say the stereotypical girl dinner of charcuterie (or a collection of snacks).
I think the problem with “girl dinner” and how it comes off as disordered is that, well, the implication that it’s girly/feminine to not eat a lot or a full meal. I don’t think it’s always disordered or smth, but. It is another example of how these things affect us.
I’m sure plenty of girls are getting enough calories from girl dinner. But there is something uncomfortable about “girl dinner” being tiny snacks and not like, a full meal?
Edit: I myself enjoy snacks for dinner from time to time so no shame in how people choose to eat, it’s merely the terminology I feel is a bit odd.
I understand you’re not but I think I associate it more with it was okay not to eat too much or have such big portions. I myself don’t eat that much and I always feel weird or guilty for mot doing that. Sometimes I would but most times my portions are pretty small and only eat about once or twice a day. Girl dinner helped me in feeling valid for eating that much because I was still eating either way. It made me want to eat more because I could just grab whatever and say it was my meal of the day. It always helped me cook more often as well.
So I think it just depends on the person and what is right for them. I like it because it told me I could eat anything of any amount and still be proud that I ate that day.
There are some “girl dinner” that are actually big portions and more unhealthy food. There are also “girl dinner” that’s smaller like almonds and or ice pops. Honestly I never though that deeply about it but I see why people do still
@@undercoverfangirl5491 it originates from someone comparing their dinner to that of a medieval peasant. The take that it's normalizing small portions is kinda incongruous with that. The comparison highlights the lack and almost scavenging nature of plates full of random crackers, an ice cream pop, a slice of cheese, and piece of proscuitto. Plus, it's never been the norm that women eat large plates or "such big portions." There's always been an association between women and smallness, in stature and in appetite. Food for women is typically marketed as light or fluffy and portioned smaller than their male counterparts. You see this even in foods typically associated with women like fruit, muesli/granolas, salads, and light creams. Even today, women will order smaller dishes on dates because a large appetite in women is considered unseemly and masculine. if anything, women with big appetites are othered. I'm glad it helped you, but your eating does seem a little disordered or like ed recovery.
100%, that makes me uncomfortable as well. The first time I heard about girl dinner someone tried to describe it to me offline and they used the example of “a KitKat and an elf bar”. Definitely seems like there is an undertone of the trend or at least a subsection of it that cutesifies disordered eating
i love social commentary like this bc when i'm escaping from my homework (majoring in a behavioral science realm) i feel like it's a fun way to keep my brain engaged with a psychological sociologist lens, which i enjoy :)))
it’s worth noting that the creator of “girl dinner” is 18 and i’d say that definitely falls well into the girl category.
I've liked the trends of girl dinner and girl math, etc. To me it's been nice to have something associated with girls being brought up in a positive light and not shamed.
Me too. Honestly tiktok has been a lot more refreshing with the rise of girl trends and hyper-femininity. Something that we were once shamed for and tried to change is now what’s desirable. Hot girl summer, girls girl, girl dinner, girl math, it girl. All these trends created somewhat of a cute little sisterhood where we’re able to joke about shit and relate to each other and not care if men make fun of us
weird to include girlmath to me because girlmath is all about taking finacial math that's ""obviously'' wrong and saying oh that's how Girls do math is just. bad.
how is being bad at math and falling for marketing tactics being called "girl" positive?
@@a-og3ku I have dyscalculia lol I am literally bad at mathematics. It's nice that I can laugh with people who suck at it too, rather than feel shamed / bullied / guilted the way I was in high school.
@@a-og3ku girl math is mostly just positive math ngl. like how when you get a refund for something and spend some of that money you gain however much is left and not you gain money and lose some again. maths but positive.
that article's defense of girl dinner was so...irritating somehow?? Like "woman dinner" doesn't have to be scraps from your kids and husband; that's defining womanhood by having kids and a husband, which is unbelievably reductive. I think "woman dinner" is just a real, properly cooked and plated meal. Like an adult would make. Nothing wrong with that..yet here we are with chronically online journalists convincing us of the opposite.
The fact that these trends always get memeified is why I love being a girl/woman 😂
I feel like we need to take a break from the internet and go out to touch grass or something, this is all a result of us consuming the subtle propaganda that is being forced onto our plates
we need a full "girls just wanna have fun" cover NEEOOWWW 💳💳💳💳
The thing with calling it an eating disorder is interesting. I'm sure this could be considered disordered eating, but I'm not a doctor so not going there. When I was struggling with disordered eating, this mish mosh "girl dinner" I had before the phrase started lol was the only thing I could get in. That tiny plate of five grapes, two chicken nuggets, and a popsicle was better than starving myself. I would trick myself into eating tiny random bites of food to trick myself into eating anything. I would eat before my disorder realized what I was doing, and sometimes that saved me a lot of pain.
I love that genuine femininity is making a comeback. I didn't realize up until fairly recently that I was suppressing and rejecting my favorite parts about myself (my femininity) in order to fit in. I'm venturing back to my feminine roots. I feel free. I love it here.
My grandma is the queen of girl math lmfao she’s always buying things or giving us stuff and saying “I saved so much, it was on sale!!” and now I’ve started doing the same thing 😂😂
This video is interesting lol idk y’all i love being a girl and the fun cute girly things that come with this life style, we kinda have this “cater to the world ” stereotype on us as it is, if you wanna do cutesy stuff for yourself do it!! Trend or not, being a woman is magical 💖
I saw someone describe girl dinner as "like a charcuterie board but make it chaotic", and that's probably my favourite description of girl dinner ever lol
i also feel like the definition of girl in AAVE also played a major role in popularizing just the word “girl” to be more widely used tho it’s often interchangeable with “bitch.” also i feel like i heard of some theory where the internet will become more feminized post y2k as part of a new wave of feminism.
Pro-ana tiktok "girl dinner" often is like ... a bowl full of beads or feathers arranged in an aesthetic pretty way that icks me
Honestly I can't wait to see the long term impacts of these trends on people, I don't know how to explain it but I feel as though the way it is impacting this generation in a way we are not even able to comprehend.
These are the less threatening of the trends that are popular online. I think people will be nostalgic for it
i’m so glad you made this video, i was just thinking about this. like, you’re allowed to be an adult. that’s a good thing
Gen Z here, in my experience the girl boss thing really messed up some millenial women because I've met alot of workaholics in the past few years. They don't look happy but all they talk about is getting ahead at work and how important it is for their future as if their life isn't happening right now
Same. I have two older family members that are millennials and seeing their relationship with work and their future is hard and exhausting emotionally
they're so busy "decentering" men that lifes passing them by
WAIT THE VOCALS MAAM????? Incredible
wake up babe madisyn posted
I mostly dislike it because of how the "girl (anything)" language and trends easily lead to tradwife pipelines and gender essentialism (even if that's not the intent of all individuals participating in it)
It only gets you into this pipeline if you are too much on tick tok
so interesting to see this along side Mina Le’s video on why is everyone dress like a little girl. The Discourse !
MADISYN!!! there was literally a “girl dinner” meal at like kfc or popeyes or something 😭😭 capitalism is crazy
I hated that trend omt it was unfunny and just kinda weird and gross meals 😭
@@luvvsoph1e i loved it cuz i literally live by girl dinner but it was over done💀
Man, how sad that people are so obsessed online. I’m never going to let online content or “fashion” dictate what I wear, do, how I live my life. I’ve got a degree to earn, I’ve got musical instruments to go play, video games, calling my name. There is so much more than being sucked into TikTok and different cultures. And it’s funny if you just turn your phone off and go outside that shit doesn’t exist. If you go talk to your neighbors, that shit doesn’t exist. When I go to work, that shit doesn’t exist. These young people don’t understand. There is such a large difference between all this manufactured content online versus the reality that we really live in. They are creating the matrix day by day that the alpha males complain about. I don’t wish to live in that matrix.
We now have micro seasons and faster than ever fashion. I buy clothes and wear them for 5-10 years. I choose VERY carefully, curating what I like, looks good, coordinates well. I’m LIVING for the Y2K boom right now because I can relive my childhood. And I will cherish these huge pants I bought for years to come- AND they’re petite for my 5’4” frame. So they won’t get torn up like pants in the 90’s/00’s. So they will last.
Just do what you want. I know I do.
I know when it’s time to go touch grass. Haha
Fr. People are so chronically online. Go outside, get a hobby, make friends. Life is better outside of social media
Omg can't say more 😂 it is so frustrating to see all of these people " lose sleep" about "not being able to keep up" like, be yourself godamnit . Just allow yourself to live !!!
This is so well written oh my god
couldn’t have said it better ❤️
This has been a thing for decades. As humans we crave to feel like we belong to a community. As far as the girl trends go, a lot of them are lighthearted and are centred around women not taking ourselves too seriously and not being afraid to be hyper feminine which I think is a really positive message since girls have been told for years that they need to be different than the stereotypical woman to be desirable. But I definitely agree with you when it comes to other trends on tiktok especially ones that have to do with having 50 different aesthetics every single day. Coconut girl, black cat girl, dark feminine, light feminine, coquette girl, okok girl, lalala girl. Like the list goes on and on it’s insane.
The way "American girl doll teeth" is a real thing
amazing video! totally agree with everything you said. It seems like all these trends are about wanting, wanting a new product, wanting to look certain way, wanting to give off a certain vibe but most of all wanting a sense of belonging. Yet in the same breath, most of these 'girl' trends are actually very exclusive, in fact the majority of women if we look beyond the demographic of teenage girls/millenial women on TikTok, do not hold a place in these spaces or the trends, especially the aesthetic focused ones, as they are so inaccessible. Obviously no-one is forced to partake in them and its targeted at teenage girls but it is undeniably constructing a widespread representation of what femininity and womanhood is (or I guess girlhood) and its misleading. This is the main thing I take issue with because in many ways people are unknowingly reconstructing a box for women to fit into. It's very nuanced and often all in good fun, and I do think there are lots of positive facets to it especially for teenage girls. I am all for breaking down the negative connotations associated with traditionally feminine interests, hobbies and appearances. However as this bleeds into things like girl math and the 'girl' aesthetics I do see this unfortunately reinforcing harmful gender stereotypes regardless of whether the intention is silly and funny or not. We can't seem to strike a balance with modern feminist trends that focus on our intelligence and worth as people without relating that to corporate success, and allowing non-masculine appearances to hold equal worth to masculine ones without pushing all women into a "girly" box. Another 'girly" trend currently being reacting to your face with an aged filter and most people being mortified without stopping to think about why they are so scared of ageing and how youthful beauty standards are harmful especially to women, and how this trend and reaction only perpetuates that. I also find it weird that so much of Gen Z is interested in breaking down gender and criticising it as a social contruct yet we constantly see these trends that just repackage those binary constructs. There is a lack of trends that promote real introspection and conversation and that's what I hope to see more of. A sense of individuality that comes from within rather than your external appearance will always be more fulfilling and unifying. Learning about and empathising with and sharing the stories of girls and woman who lead very different lives than you is feminism, is girlhood and is womanhood. Whilst it's great to have all this fun, these trends no matter how "silly" they are affect us all in very real ways, and these platforms and trends hold real power. It's important that we check ourselves and the ways we might be perpetuating the very things we're trying to fight against.
Man, I’m hooked on this episode. Thanks for covering it.
I love your research.
i am SICK of the word ‘cringe’ being associated with feminism in an intellectual digest. We’re completely kneecapping ourselves.
I'd like people to start using "no big deal" as a mantra. It's food, they're eating it, no big deal
sometimes I just don't want to run a kingdom or fight in war, I just want to lay on my bed and build houses on the sims :)
so real
Remember when TikTok was musically? Those were the good days.
Were they? Hm...
did you watch the video
@@jozllielmaooo
no not really
Nah, as a day one tik tok hater, musically was literal garbage. Tik tok is at least funny at times
I love your videos so much truly no one is doing it like you. You’re so intelligent and so thoughtful and intentional with your words. I would listen to you talk about anything fr but everything you do talk about is so interesting and I love how you dissect it all. So glad I found your channel keep up the great work I love you girly 🫶🏼
Have you ever talked about Wattpad on your channel or been on Wattpad at all? If you have I think you could make a WHOLE video about Wattpad I think there’s so many effects that it’s had on girls especially younger girls, including me when I read on it at 13 and am now 20, I mostly mean the romance, teen fiction, and young adult genre (idk abt fan fiction but perhaps ? 😭). But I’m just thinking of how toxic some of those books are and tropes. You see books like these on shelves now too.
Also I totally agree about the “hyper-niche” thing it’s becoming too much like you’re not gonna be the most unique individual person out there it’s okay to be similar from some people and different too but that and wanting to put a label on yourself is useless it is totally like a brand. Let’s just like what we like and not change based on trends.
Giiiiiirl is that your upstairs neighbors stomping around with their cement shoes on??
It didn't bother me that it's in the video, it's just *relatable AFFFFF* 😂😂😂 especially since it sounds like they're just nonstop stomping back and forth up there lmaoooo
watching your videos is like hanging out with a friend, im like 'yes do tell me more girly girl' and I love it
Interesting how women cannot do anything without getting criticize, whether thats liking barbie movie, girl dinner, feminine clothing, etc.
I recently saw someone eviscerate Girl Dinner as "elitist and classist" because not everyone can afford dinner.....
What?! 😅
God help us from these people 💀
i'm sure someone who can't afford dinner has better things to do than be angry about a tiktok trend
ive been waiting for a video on this im so glad you were the one to talk ab it
great video essay! i always appreciate your perspective; while simultaneously keeping me up to date w| what’s happening on TikTok so i don’t have to be on TikTok. sincerely, tho. 🖤✊🏾
We appreciate your insights. Keep working hard.
I think that for teens and tweens is easier to feel like they have to follow trends to fit in, it's normal in that age to try different things, aesthetics try to find yourself. But I saw way to many adult woman, young woman (20-30) being like oh now I have to change my hair, wear low raise again, paint my nails like this... No you don't, I feel we are lacking literal thinking that we don't HAVE to do what everyone else does, or what is trendy
Never been this early before! Cant wait to watch the vid :) seems like a very fun topic
Why people think that adults don't have fun and don't do fun things and don't have peace of mind and aren't happy? Like... being youthful has nothing to do with age lol. You can literally do the same things as 25 and 45 y/o. Probably even more when you're older bc you have more money. Why every gen z these days acts like being past 25 is like being 70 y/o be fr
also I thing ppl engaging in "being femimine is passé" or "being girly girl is cool" menatality are only chronically online ppl bc in real life no one gives a damn what you do and wear
This is the best take I have heard on this topic. Great video!
Your videos have helped me so much. I'm going through a really emotionally turbulent period of self-growth and hearing your thoughts on everything in pop culture/influencers' world/social media...with the universality of some of these experiences and learned behaviours from the wounds of capitalism and the patriarchy and racism are just so helpful in providing perspective. So thank you for doing what you do
Just a ramdom comment, but I really love how objective and open minded you are or try to be on your channel, showing things for their worst and good and not taking everything too overly serious, it makes your channel more enjoyable for me 😂💞
this video is so good, people need to see it!
i think on the part where she talk about hyper-femininity like when i was little i just totally pushed anything girly or pink away and my sister was the opposite and i would think she was weird but now i'm really trying to embrace it and feel good in being a woman and like yes i like pink and bows and idk just i guess really not feeling ashamed to be feminine.
one thing i want to point out and generally advise caution for, is the notion that "you can choose not to work and become a mother and homemaker and that is respectable", not because i believe that the work housewives do isn't respectable (it is very hard, exhausting, repetitive and emotionally draining work) but because financial leverage is what a lot of abusive men use to force their victims to stay married with them. what is she going to do without me starve to death? and so on. in an ideal society, women that didn't desire to pursue a career, would be able to just do that without any actual dangers to her safety and independance. love the video, you're very thorough and analytical!
Respectfully I gotta disagree with some aspects of this vid. “Girl math” hurts me, cause like, bruh why you gotta make “frivolous spending while tricking yourself” into a gendered thing?? Why associate that with girls?? Let it be “kid math” or even “tween self explaining my allowance spending to my parents” - girl math oof. Don’t tell the boys we have to do devilish multidimensional math to justify our own independent behavior 😩
such a great video. i remember when i was younger i always used to push away any aspects of myself which were stereotypically feminine bc of the way society was back then and i think it’s beautiful that this is starting to be looked at in a different light now and many women are embracing that about themselves now.
Great video, but I have to acknowledge how you ATE DOWN that “girls just wanna have fun” run
I just wrote something on the girl math topic and now I wish I'd found your video before that. Very well done.
I really like your videos❤
TikTok ruining things again yay
We meet again.=)
How is it ruining anything though? If you’re not on TikTok or just live everyday life without thinking about, it doesn’t really affect you.
@@undercoverfangirl5491ppl just be talking 😭
Tik Tok isn't ruining things..!! Some of the ppl/person are ruining things. TikTok is just the platform, they didn't make up. That's like saying UA-cam are making up these videos. When UA-cam is just the platform.
People do too damn much. It isn’t this deep. Girl dinner is like a cute term for what a female eats lmao. It’s not even a specific food it’s just whatever girlies wanna put on the hashtag.
And the OG, girls just wanna have fun
“I’m just a girl” 😣😣😣
Love this video and discussion but have to note, The Devil Wears Prada was released in 2006. If anything it was an inspiration for the girlboss movement before it had a name.
I hate tiktok trends with a burning passion
I wish TikTok Trends would just yeet itself into the atmosphere in space. I am sick of these ridiculous names such as “Girl Dinner”, “That Girl”, “Girls Girl’s”. It is just so damn hilarious but it is getting harder everyday to take these people so seriously. These women on TikTok sure love the infantilization and infantilizing their womanhood.
@@MariamArt_: I agree..!! I'm in my early 30's, when I was in my teens no one made up stuff nor even heard brought them up. Now it's literally bizarre & so funny 😂😂😂..!! Soon there's gonna be " Man Dinner. "
@@dashiajames1882 lmao right girl!!! I wish these dumbazz trends were nonexistent period. TikTok should just permanently delete itself and disappear 🤡✨.
@@dashiajames1882 girl your so gorgeous, your profile pic is amazing 😻. That is why I subscribed. And as a Black woman just like you, I am sick of these White girls on TikTok coming up with these trends to sound different and ✨quirky✨. Like girl bye. Like log off the app and go outside 😂🤣🤣.
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Only thing I hate about this wave is that videos will have "girly __________" concepts and just be... pink. Colors don't have gender. I thought we knew that already.
not to mention all us woman who were like 14-16 when covid hit, and now we're adults??? like come on, im just a girl 😣
I’m not on TikTok (which I’m thankful for), so I honestly thought it was girl dinner because it reminds me of being a kid. You know how kids are picky as hell from like 2-6yra and your mom is just wanting to make sure you eat so she gives you nuggets, some berries and maybe popcorn?
I mean I made a girl dinner video and it was indeed chicken nuggets and fries lol
I really enjoyed this topic. Definitely something to think about. 🤔
8:27 GIRL not the dan vs phil triumph sound effect 😭😭😭😭
Your voice is amazing! I was just striked by you signing ❤
bro im 6 minutes in and already this is so deep
Girl dinner is the best thing I’ve heard, it’s what i eat at work, a mhish mosh of vending machine snacks 😊
There was actually this big discourse on tiktok about girl dinner because a lot of girls were using it as a way to show off how little they eat which is what shifted the tone of girl dinner from this fun light hearted joke to it being a contest to see who eats less. In reality girl dinner is mainly just about not being bothered to cook a meal because of the ongoing joke that girls are always tired. It’s not about portion size it’s about us waking up from a 5 hour nap and taking whatever is in our pantry’s or fridges and eating it because we’re too tired to cook. I’ve literally eaten a can of sweetcorn for dinner cuz I wasn’t bothered to make food
Would love an analysis of girlboss vs bosslady
If I join that Patreon, I want my money to go to new guitar strings for you ❤that guitar looks too nice to just be a prop! 😂
My girl dinner is left over baked beans on top of crinkle fries (or crackers if that's all I have) with the last slices of deli turkey 😂
How do you find ideas for your videos? they’re always unique tbh
spending too much time online hahaha. i usually talk about things i see on social media that i think are interesting.
@@MadisynBrownHey black girl
“Please don’t gender my dinner” I’m actually CRYINGGGF😂😂😂
wait, bc i’d pay to hear a full cover of Girls Just Wanna Have Fun by you😭
Boy boss 💀🥴
2ndd!!! i love ur content
I think the reason the use of the words girl can be a little offensive is because it covertly illustrates how womenhood in a patriarchal society is rejected. The desirability and inadvertently the social capital of women is dictated by our youth and naïveté. By empowering women with language we use it would contradict the patriarchal agenda. So it seems somewhat innocent but the reality is a little more insidious
*Girl rotting* - ‘It’s cuter than depression!’
As someone whose been doing this girl dinner thing without knowing or giving it a name and doing it for 3 months I can say it’s a eating disorder having a backseat cooking instructor when starting to cook has caused me to fear cooking in isolation or around persons considered as backseat cookers and skill issues is not a problem I have when cooking or you can just call it cooking anxiety what do I know
I was brought back to this video now that we also have “girl hobbies” which includes such a variety as going shopping and getting a little treat. I feel like this adaptation of the trend just shows how consumeristic we’ve become. Instead of working hard at a hobby you enjoy, we can just buy stuff and get coffee. And that’s all we’re fit for, because we’re just teen girls in our twenties.
Honestly, all of these aesthetic/label trends remind me of adolescent development.
- I figure teenagers are on TikTok more.
- I feel like adolescents look to social media to figure out how the world is.
- I feel like corporations know that’s a vulnerable population and parents are willing to spend money.
- I think 20 year olds relate to teenagers in not knowing where they fit into the world.
- I think adolescents have more of a hold on pop culture then we give them credit for.
Those are my bullet points lol. I think a lot of people will age out of it. Also I am a 17-year-old girl with a Mom whose a high school counselor lol.
I appreciate your analysis of the evolution of "girl" in the global lexicon. It's truly become a cultural thing that can have such varying use and messages, and also can be commodified by capitalism.
YAY I ACTUALLY ARRIVED EARLY 😭🫶🏻🫶🏻🫶🏻
Same
me too lol
I think as long as you are doing something for yourself, not for other people that’s what matters. If Barbiecore (for example) makes you happy, then go for it. But if you’re doing it just bc it’s the newest trend, then you’re just wasting your money.
✨food stamps girly✨ 🤣