Hildebrand is probably Wargaming take on a real german design called Flugdeckkreuzer There were a couple of iterations of the design related to the development of plan Z, but they had different armament from hildebrand, but the concept was basically identical. If anybody has more information on this, feel free to add to it or correct me
Armament is actually pretty consistent with the larger designs, except for the casemate secondarys, they just took an Ägir? hull instead of the specially desgned one the flugdeckkreuzers would have had.
@@Lupus_Indomitus Exactly, they based it on the Agir basically, the thing about the armament is that the actual designs would have used the 28cm turrets like Deutschland class or Scharnhorst had, not 305, those are as fictional as the Agir😂
@@Lollo-4343 ah, ok. But they are similar enough, that i can live with it. Also, just from looking at a design, i honestly cant really tell if its the 305mm or the 283mm turrets on those designs, so ill just gonna take your reply for granted.
@Lupus_Indomitus Yeah, at least from the sources I found, the guns should be the 283. Also, I think the 305 modeled in game is not actually an existing gun, probably only a paper project as well
One of the scary aspects of the Okhotnik is that the gun crews are 'protected' by having longer range weapons than machine guns and as little as possible to impede shellfire, as it crosses the deck, while being fast enough to stay out of range of enemy machine guns. Variable timed fuses would have quickly painted the deck with blood. The Russian 5.1" (130 mm) guns of the Okhotnik are very much like the UK 4.7" (120 mm) DD guns, in that the AP will make very short work of many cruisers that giver her their broadside. The Okhotnik is an anti-Atlanta. The Atlanta is a "DD with a citadel" and the Okhotnik is nearly a "cruiser with no citadel". The Okhotnik is comparable to a squishier Krasny Krym that cannot be citadelled.
8:09 wing turrets do not effect stability, and weight of broadside 'how many guns you can bring to bare out of your full armament' was definitely a thing. Drach did a excellent battle of Jutland video that explains all that.
The Hector is representative of a design for an enlarged Dido class, where they use a Town class hull as the base and stick a bunch of lightning/dido turrets on it. It was intended as an AA cruiser, just like the Atlanta
Being a CV player when Kearsarge came out i got her and enjoyed watching my rocket planes attack enemy ships from the deck of my ship (an unusual gameplay perspective). After hearing from fellow players how ugly she was, those soon faded as my scores became higher. I learned she was best played at midrange on average. She had no protection from subs when she first came out, so i parked her until WG fixed it. Learning to time your main battery and plane launches will maximize your score.
no high tier DD can turn the table on the enemy when every MM give 2, 3 even 4 Radar per side and add on top SS and CV , so the point of having the big guns on DD trying to gun down the enemy at range that the AP actually work , well , most of the time the DD simply will not got any chance to get close enough , of course one can do the Italian suicidal charge but then the problem is the torp usually are not good enough to one salvo the enemy and its more likely the suicidal charge will turn into suicide
Hector is one of my favourite ships, sure the guns sometimes struggle to pen because they're not Daring turrets, they're Dido turrets, but firing that many little HE rounds with a decent fire chance is good to have, especially in supporting DD fights with the creeping smoke. One of the sneaky big advantages she has that a lot of people don't realize is she has really good torps that can comfortably be fired from stealth even outside of the smoke screen. I've caught so many people with them. She's really good in platoon with a good DD player as well.
I guess Hector is a Dido meets Flint. But the Dido class had much less tonnage than the Atlantas. (5,600 tons vs 6,593 tons.) Not to mention the gun shortage that made it difficult to give the Didos their proper armament. Que private rant: it seems WG when making a historically popular ship that players want seems to not worry as much about making them perform all that well. (but that may also play into WG's reluctance to build ships with good, in the game, AA.)
Like a few suggestions before me; SL, you STILL need an Honorable Mentions (2 or 3 Ships) that don't quite make your lists. The TROMP comes to mind for your list. I am still in a quandary on the German CV planes used by their CV and now the HILDEBRANT. The Ta-152s were designed and manufactured to replace the Fw-190s; not exactly designed to carry torps.
Hallo SLM !! Big fan. Also, this is out of topic, but I saw someone got TRIPLE UP-TIERED in a T-7 game. There was an Omaha in a game with a N.Carolina!!!!
Hildi needs to be moved to the CV slot or counted as a CV in game. Still waiting for a super Mainz at tier 10. Agir hull with the guns Mainz was supposed to get IRL?
I was in a game yesterday in which we faced the Hildebrand and some other crazy hybrid. And our side? NO planes at all. Yeah, how is that for matchmaking.... and... we got wrecked! I swear it was like facing two CV without any CV on our team. I never saw so many damn planes.
What does it say that I have the top two of these ships? Granted, It was your recommendation that encouraged me to Kearsarge, and I got lucky(?) and got the Hildebrand after opening my second German crate. But still...
getting a little burnt out playing woll op wolsheeps grinding San Martin on the Satan's Ship Santander. that american truck simulator thumbnail revitalized me.
I am not sure if you read every single comment, but I would ask you to check on your own when you are free, that, Its seems to me that on my recent games on BB Roma shows better accuracy than before, I am getting MANY citadel with decent accuracy ( which is a paradox refer to Roma) keep up yuor great job/videos :)
When you face it in a BB, it's equally annoying because it's basically indestructible in a timely fashion... Unless you are un a British BB that can damage it with heavy HE in return...
I guess the Hildebrand is similar to the Tone, if the Tone's planes reloaded every minute instead of it's ridiculous three minutes. This really hurts the ship at the start of a match as you can't spot early. Maybe someday WG will buff the Tone, but I will not hold my breath. The CA and DD hybrids are hampered by the ships needing to play closer so loosing situational awareness while flying can have bad results. Wasn't WG going to nerf aircraft spotting?
Question for fellow WoWs players. For years I have used an MPOW EG3 headphones and mic set, which sounded great but now after 5 years I've lost the sound on the right side. Don't want to go back to MPOW as they fell into some shady practices. I've tried $40-140 (even Hyperx Alpha) wireless headphones which were "ok" but WoWs in particular sounded over- bassed and "washed out" (pardon the pun). And the eq software doesn't work for any of the sets I tried. I've ordered a Razer Kraken V3 with usb, hoping that going back to wired will help. What headphones do others in the WoWs community use? --Thanks!
You are wrong about Elbing HE. Sure it only does 1800 per shell sompared to something like a Kleber that does 2000, but Elbing HE pens 38mm comlared to Kleber’s 23mm which means you can pen a lot of BBs on the bow and most cruiser decks with it while Kleber can only pen superstructure, that paired with the crazy good dispersion Elbing gets means it had wayy more effective HE alpha than any other DD. The DM with its 203s pens less at 34mm, to guve perspective.
@somersthesunless1874 kleber also isn't that impressive without MBRB. Elbing has 6th lowest fires per min and the lowest HE DPM. By comparison kleber has 9th lowest and 5th worst
You also have to factor in the accuracy becuase you are landing a much higher percentage of shells. It had the same fires per minute as Zao and would you say that Zao isn’t a good fire starter? There are other ships that thoeretically are capable of much higher fires per minute than a Zao, but most of them are not planting the same number of shells in the same spot. Not to mention the Elbing has almost identical shell balistics to the Zao with nearly twice the accuracy.
What do all the ships on this list have in common? Main guns in the front of the ship. Which ship is missing in my humble opinion on this list? The only ship that has no main guns in the front of the ship... MICHELANGELO!! :D is there any ship more weird and strange in this game?
Michelangelo is not that weird, right? There also Friesland, the very first pure gunboat DD, and there is another but almost-pure gunboat DD, the Forrest Sherman. And when it comes to outright weird, you can't miss the Dutch tech tree which are hybrid CA/CVs without flight deck.
Is anyone stupid enough to shoot a Kearsarge in the belt? I thought pretty much everyone was aware its flight deck is a damage pinata that doesn't saturate.
Hildebrand is probably Wargaming take on a real german design called Flugdeckkreuzer
There were a couple of iterations of the design related to the development of plan Z, but they had different armament from hildebrand, but the concept was basically identical.
If anybody has more information on this, feel free to add to it or correct me
Armament is actually pretty consistent with the larger designs, except for the casemate secondarys, they just took an Ägir? hull instead of the specially desgned one the flugdeckkreuzers would have had.
@@Lupus_Indomitus Exactly, they based it on the Agir basically, the thing about the armament is that the actual designs would have used the 28cm turrets like Deutschland class or Scharnhorst had, not 305, those are as fictional as the Agir😂
@@Lollo-4343 ah, ok. But they are similar enough, that i can live with it. Also, just from looking at a design, i honestly cant really tell if its the 305mm or the 283mm turrets on those designs, so ill just gonna take your reply for granted.
@Lupus_Indomitus Yeah, at least from the sources I found, the guns should be the 283.
Also, I think the 305 modeled in game is not actually an existing gun, probably only a paper project as well
The Okhotnik... the tier 5 Paolo Emilio lol
More of a cruiser bully
Yeah that is an honorable mention for sure. I love that ship.
Three cheers for the Russian War Canoe!
One of the scary aspects of the Okhotnik is that the gun crews are 'protected' by having longer range weapons than machine guns and as little as possible to impede shellfire, as it crosses the deck, while being fast enough to stay out of range of enemy machine guns. Variable timed fuses would have quickly painted the deck with blood.
The Russian 5.1" (130 mm) guns of the Okhotnik are very much like the UK 4.7" (120 mm) DD guns, in that the AP will make very short work of many cruisers that giver her their broadside. The Okhotnik is an anti-Atlanta. The Atlanta is a "DD with a citadel" and the Okhotnik is nearly a "cruiser with no citadel". The Okhotnik is comparable to a squishier Krasny Krym that cannot be citadelled.
*inhales*
LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG LOOOOOOONG MAAAAAAAAAAN
XD
Hector my beloved ship is mentioned
*HECTOOOOOOOOOOR!!!*
8:09 wing turrets do not effect stability, and weight of broadside 'how many guns you can bring to bare out of your full armament' was definitely a thing. Drach did a excellent battle of Jutland video that explains all that.
that truck with the music and disco lights is hilarious
The Hector is representative of a design for an enlarged Dido class, where they use a Town class hull as the base and stick a bunch of lightning/dido turrets on it. It was intended as an AA cruiser, just like the Atlanta
Ah, the Elbing! I have not played this game in almost two years, but the Elbing was a go-to ship for me! It was absolutely fun to play!
Being a CV player when Kearsarge came out i got her and enjoyed watching my rocket planes attack enemy ships from the deck of my ship (an unusual gameplay perspective). After hearing from fellow players how ugly she was, those soon faded as my scores became higher. I learned she was best played at midrange on average. She had no protection from subs when she first came out, so i parked her until WG fixed it. Learning to time your main battery and plane launches will maximize your score.
Elbing was strong before her buff. Nobody understood how to play her. Now she’s insane.
Got my Hildebrand today - 3rd bundle in the chain ;-)
I thought you had way more than 60k subs😢. Either way, congrats man, you definitely deserve more subs, you put in a lot of work.
no high tier DD can turn the table on the enemy when every MM give 2, 3 even 4 Radar per side and add on top SS and CV , so the point of having the big guns on DD trying to gun down the enemy at range that the AP actually work , well , most of the time the DD simply will not got any chance to get close enough , of course one can do the Italian suicidal charge but then the problem is the torp usually are not good enough to one salvo the enemy and its more likely the suicidal charge will turn into suicide
Elbing is my 2nd favorite DD next to Sherman. Last CBs I 1 v 2'd a Brisbane and Mino and came out victorious because squishy british cruiser designs
Hector is one of my favourite ships, sure the guns sometimes struggle to pen because they're not Daring turrets, they're Dido turrets, but firing that many little HE rounds with a decent fire chance is good to have, especially in supporting DD fights with the creeping smoke. One of the sneaky big advantages she has that a lot of people don't realize is she has really good torps that can comfortably be fired from stealth even outside of the smoke screen. I've caught so many people with them. She's really good in platoon with a good DD player as well.
She’s a great torpedo boat when built for it
I guess Hector is a Dido meets Flint. But the Dido class had much less tonnage than the Atlantas. (5,600 tons vs 6,593 tons.) Not to mention the gun shortage that made it difficult to give the Didos their proper armament.
Que private rant: it seems WG when making a historically popular ship that players want seems to not worry as much about making them perform all that well. (but that may also play into WG's reluctance to build ships with good, in the game, AA.)
@@copperhead550 You don't even need to build for it. You can just build into the guns and stealth and the torpedos are still more than good enough.
@@rovelfox7832 oh I know but I like the faster torp reload and damage. I have 3 diff commonwealth captains all diff builds
I thought they were Lightning turrets? Maybe they're the same?
The Kearsage amuses me because it was an American design but was commissioned by the Soviets. Why they didn't get this hybrid design is beyond me.
Have you heard of the cold war? We never built it so they dont get it.
@jaredthehawk3870 there were 3 designs. IIRC A and C are kearsage and louisiana respectively, and B is on Lesta client but I forget its name
Like a few suggestions before me; SL, you STILL need an Honorable Mentions (2 or 3 Ships) that don't quite make your lists. The TROMP comes to mind for your list.
I am still in a quandary on the German CV planes used by their CV and now the HILDEBRANT. The Ta-152s were designed and manufactured to replace the Fw-190s; not exactly designed to carry torps.
Hallo SLM !! Big fan. Also, this is out of topic, but I saw someone got TRIPLE UP-TIERED in a T-7 game.
There was an Omaha in a game with a N.Carolina!!!!
Must have been in a division
In a division they use the highest tier of ship in the division for the matchmaking.
There weren't any divisions in the match
I wanted to ask this for a long time, your game looks very good, specially the lighting, what settings/mods do you use ?
No mods, just maximum settings at 4K 60fps
Hildi needs to be moved to the CV slot or counted as a CV in game.
Still waiting for a super Mainz at tier 10. Agir hull with the guns Mainz was supposed to get IRL?
I was in a game yesterday in which we faced the Hildebrand and some other crazy hybrid. And our side? NO planes at all. Yeah, how is that for matchmaking.... and... we got wrecked! I swear it was like facing two CV without any CV on our team. I never saw so many damn planes.
Hey SML, The Hector was actually one of the design options for the Dido class of WW2.
What does it say that I have the top two of these ships? Granted, It was your recommendation that encouraged me to Kearsarge, and I got lucky(?) and got the Hildebrand after opening my second German crate. But still...
getting a little burnt out playing woll op wolsheeps grinding San Martin on the Satan's Ship Santander. that american truck simulator thumbnail revitalized me.
I am not sure if you read every single comment, but I would ask you to check on your own when you are free,
that, Its seems to me that on my recent games on BB Roma shows better accuracy than before, I am getting MANY citadel with decent accuracy ( which is a paradox refer to Roma) keep up yuor great job/videos :)
#3 - Des Moines guns fire a LOT faster. Therefor ist is not a Des Moines with a BB hull. It's similar, but it is also different.
When you face it in a BB, it's equally annoying because it's basically indestructible in a timely fashion... Unless you are un a British BB that can damage it with heavy HE in return...
I guess the Hildebrand is similar to the Tone, if the Tone's planes reloaded every minute instead of it's ridiculous three minutes. This really hurts the ship at the start of a match as you can't spot early. Maybe someday WG will buff the Tone, but I will not hold my breath.
The CA and DD hybrids are hampered by the ships needing to play closer so loosing situational awareness while flying can have bad results.
Wasn't WG going to nerf aircraft spotting?
@@frosty3693 it's still in testing, my guess is it comes out in the new year, similar to how the sub and captain reworks did
Ahoy Sea Lord!
I set up my Hildebrand as a secondary beast for those DD's who wanna fk around, they gonna find out.
I just want a Hindenburg with Hildebrand guns....
Haha, I just want a North Carolina with Tennessee dispersion 😂
So... Ägir?
Aren't those just Ägir guns?
@@TimTimONE nope, agir reloads in 20 sec, Hildebrand in 15 sec, i don't know if there are more things... This should be like a german "brennus"
@@carlosojeda26 well ägir is Tier 9, so it has to have some downsides over Hildebrand. Plus ägir has one more turret
yes!! return of the drive team ^^
Question for fellow WoWs players. For years I have used an MPOW EG3 headphones and mic set, which sounded great but now after 5 years I've lost the sound on the right side. Don't want to go back to MPOW as they fell into some shady practices. I've tried $40-140 (even Hyperx Alpha) wireless headphones which were "ok" but WoWs in particular sounded over- bassed and "washed out" (pardon the pun). And the eq software doesn't work for any of the sets I tried. I've ordered a Razer Kraken V3 with usb, hoping that going back to wired will help. What headphones do others in the WoWs community use? --Thanks!
You are wrong about Elbing HE. Sure it only does 1800 per shell sompared to something like a Kleber that does 2000, but Elbing HE pens 38mm comlared to Kleber’s 23mm which means you can pen a lot of BBs on the bow and most cruiser decks with it while Kleber can only pen superstructure, that paired with the crazy good dispersion Elbing gets means it had wayy more effective HE alpha than any other DD. The DM with its 203s pens less at 34mm, to guve perspective.
@somersthesunless1874 kleber also isn't that impressive without MBRB.
Elbing has 6th lowest fires per min and the lowest HE DPM. By comparison kleber has 9th lowest and 5th worst
You also have to factor in the accuracy becuase you are landing a much higher percentage of shells. It had the same fires per minute as Zao and would you say that Zao isn’t a good fire starter? There are other ships that thoeretically are capable of much higher fires per minute than a Zao, but most of them are not planting the same number of shells in the same spot. Not to mention the Elbing has almost identical shell balistics to the Zao with nearly twice the accuracy.
That being said obviously use the amazing AP every single chance you can over the HE. My point is that the HE is far from useless on this ship.
Illinois is more of a battlecruiser than the Rupprecht
What do all the ships on this list have in common? Main guns in the front of the ship. Which ship is missing in my humble opinion on this list? The only ship that has no main guns in the front of the ship... MICHELANGELO!! :D is there any ship more weird and strange in this game?
Tiger 59 i guess😂😂
Well, I've got them all, love weird ships. Then again, I'm pretty deranged so go figure.
the Hildebrand was a real ship... but it was a 1890s German Coastal Defense Ship... NOT a 1940s Hybrid cruiser/carrier
Michelangelo is not that weird, right? There also Friesland, the very first pure gunboat DD, and there is another but almost-pure gunboat DD, the Forrest Sherman. And when it comes to outright weird, you can't miss the Dutch tech tree which are hybrid CA/CVs without flight deck.
still wanting on a pro con, and number rating of Hildbarn
Hildebrand is ptsd inducing.
I hope they nerf the crap out of the Hildebrand
hector remind me of the colbert in some way
How'd you skip Onhitnik?
My friend recently bought t9 European gunboat dd, god he hates it, I've never heard him cursing that much XD
Gronigen? It's not a destroyer, it's a small light cruiser
@@drakeconsumerofsoulsandche4303 nah, L. Katsonis or something like that
@@middllepl slightly bigger CL.
Skill issue.
@@middlleplit's the worst DD (technically CL) in the line, but it's still not bad.
was gonna joinya discord but you're invite link on is invalid
Y’all forgot Okhotnik lol
Is anyone stupid enough to shoot a Kearsarge in the belt? I thought pretty much everyone was aware its flight deck is a damage pinata that doesn't saturate.
You’d be surprised
Why is Zieten not on this list?
Hector was not a real ship. Completely fictional. The design is real but none were built.
Hello
incomparable ?
Tbh these are all nothing compared to what I’ve drawn in school
😂
None of the ships are odd lol
Give me the stuff😢
I dont like Hildebrand ,.,.,. I love Hildebrand ,.,.,. keep crying liberals
Fakes so not interested
hello