People actually believing a PR team, whose entire job is centered around trying to sweep things under the rug, is the only thing surprising about this. There's a reason someone with the resume that Bab's has was out of the league so long. True or false in this instance, buckle up Jackets fans, this is only the beginning.
People actually believe the public statements of three NHL players and the NHLPA’s current look on the situation over three guys whose evidence is two anonymous sources, neither of whom are involved in the Columbus organization? Wow.
The reason he was out of the league for years was cause no one wanted to take any money off of the leafs’ hands. The second that money ran out, he got hired. Just kinda seems like modern athletes can’t handle a tough coach.
So Gaudreau and Jenner have come out to say that this has all been overblown. I'm honestly not sure if they're just trying to smooth things over for the sake of the team or if they're telling the truth. Either way, the only reason this is a thing is because Babcock has done some really nasty and incredibly petty things in the past and those are just the things we've heard about. Maybe he's reformed but he's got a long way to go to show he has actually reformed.
people who've been like that in the past have to prove they are no longer like that, they don't get the benefit of the doubt. The best indications of future behavior is past behavior, and that extends to pretty much everything. The person thats 10 mins early for work every day, if they don't show up i'm thinking something is wrong like a family emergency or maybe they got into an accident. The person thats never on time and is flaky, they don't show up and everyone is asking "how long is (insert boss's name) going to put up with this?" I fully believe babcock did what they say and Gaudreau and Jenner are saying what they can to not cause drama on the team.
@@tommcd8471 The story has evolved over the day so I'm trying not to pass judgement on anyone yet. I think we should see how it plays out 1st. Columbus saw fit, for whatever dumb reason, to hire him so for the sake of the team and season, he should get a little benefit of the doubt eg a very short leash.
I just think it’s funny that Johnny Hockey left a great hockey town to go play somewhere closer to home, that’s not a good hockey town, that doesn’t have a good hockey team, to play for a worse coach than Sutter, for less money. And he didn’t even move close to home. He could’ve signed with the Devils, and been a great middle-hockey-career-aged mentor to all those young guys on the New Jersey roster, and help develop them. Plus, they actually have good potential in Newark. I expect they’ll be a top contender again this next season. But instead, Johnny chose to play for a worse team with the worst coach. In a worse city that’s farther from home than he could move to, for less money. I will never understand how fucking stupid all of that is. Does he seriously just want to lose? Did he get tired of playing hard and trying to win? None of it makes any fucking sense, logically and practically. Oh well though, his life choices, his mistakes.
I just think it’s funny that Johnny Hockey left a great hockey town to go play somewhere closer to home, that’s not a good hockey town, that doesn’t have a good hockey team, to play for a worse coach than Sutter, for less money. And he didn’t even move close to home. He could’ve signed with the Devils, and been a great middle-hockey-career-aged mentor to all those young guys on the New Jersey roster, and help develop them. Plus, they actually have good potential in Newark. I expect they’ll be a top contender again this next season. But instead, Johnny chose to play for a worse team with a worse coach in a worse city that’s farther from home than he could move to, for less money. I will never understand how fucking stupid all of that is. Does he seriously just want to lose? Did he get tired of playing hard and trying to win? None of it makes any fucking sense, logically and practically. Oh well though, his life choices, his mistakes.
The fact that an NHL team actually thought hiring Babcock would be a good idea is baffling to me. We're not even training camp yet and this guy is already causing problems
@@stentorofsparta3576 He’s a proven PR nightmare with a fetish for power tripping and being a total dick to players. This is a prime example of how it is a ridiculous hire
The NHL has lost the credibility to say “this is over blown - nothing to see here” Babcock has a reputation and a history which gives him little leeway for the benefit of the doubt. These are self inflicted problems, so when there is the potential for players being abused, taking the allegations seriously is not a bad policy
@@jiml5837 do we know who made the initial allegations? Was it someone on the team or not? These are important steps to take to investigate. Listen to the player’s statements and evaluate the info, but don’t just dismiss it because of what the NHL or Babcock say because they are lacking in credibility.
Someone on reddit said what happened, and I think this is the real story: Babs told everyone to submit a photo of what kind of person they are. Then he puts it on a slide show, and then get the person to tell them a bit about themselves, It's an icebreaker thing. Seems like someone just didn't like it and told Biz this and he took it out of proportion. Edit: I’m not changing what I said. But after all of the new information that came out. Really scummy. Especially that he took players out to lunch, looked through their phones and scrolled through the pictures and left.
Biz posted a screenshot of he person who texted him and they aren't even on Columbus right now. Clearly a formerly coached player who just hates Babcock letting Biz know another weird/out of touch thing he does, as if asking to see pictures of a coworkers family is weird?
I highly doubt that was as innocent as it was. If that was he case there’s no chance multiple players would have complained about it. It must have been more invasive.
Doerrie is actually embarrassing. She doubled down like 20 min ago on twitter by basically saying, ya Biz was right, but you all shouldnt have jumped the gun to believe him. Meanwhile she absolutely gobbled up the PR statement from the team without question. Like you said, dislike Spittin' Chicklets all you want, but I'm going to take their statements on how players feel FAR more seriously than effing Mike Babcock.
@@chloewu2760 ive not heard or seen a single thing biz said. Idk why these vids can put in the clips being talked about so idk extend of biz joking and media blowing up or biz actually trying play hero but either way like i like babcock and want him as coach and think all the players do too. I think less players will be texting biz insider stuff cause i doubt any jackets cared enough to have a news story
You bring up a very good point about different players and the different power dynamics that are all at play. For a player like Jenner or Gaudreau or even a veteran, they may have had a conversation similar to what was published by the PR team. For rookies or 4th liners it may have felt more crass or even forced. Like Han indicated in the tweet, maybe for some players it felt conversational but with others it felt more forced and awkward. The truth definitely lies in the middle and the fact that this came out on this podcast and sounded more like Babs basically said, “unlock your phone I’m going to scroll through your photos” made me immediately skeptical of the report. Babs isn’t dumb and knows that he is on thin ice. He knows that stuff is going to be reported out and watched under a microscope and I am sure that he knows that some people are going to be looking to sabotage him as he tries to prove that he’s changed. As a Red Wings fan, it’s hard to forgive the man but I’m always willing to be proved wrong and see that he has changed.
@@Blackphillipsupporter How full of yourself do you have to be to deny one of the greatest players of all time a huge milestone just because youre on a power trip. I hope he never gets another chel job again
exactly and I have seen Friedman's newest tweet which said young players on cbj have a problem with it which reminds me of the Marner situation back in Toronto
Ya know, if I didn’t watch Eck, I wouldn’t know half the things about hockey news❤ love this channel! + idk about this situation it’s kinda tough to know what’s going on, but u summed it up pretty well
Get your news from eck. Don’t listen to his opinions; they are brutal. Nothing wrong with this video in particular; but if you go through some others you will see what I’m talking about
Paul Bissonette... Name I haven't heard in years. Last I knew, he was half-snookered playing against Sidney Crosby on a golf course one summer. "Man, I REALLY wanna eat a steak dinner on Crosby's credit card...."
I don't like Babcock but if nobody has a complaint to make and everyone in the know is telling the same story I dont see how anyone can assume the worst based off an off the record comment from an anonymous source on a podcast. Maybe it did happen but if it didn't then this wouldn't be the first time a story got twisted beyond recognition because someone heard it from a friend of a friend.
Maybe have a team dinner and make your way around the room in an attempt to get to know the guys better? Phones are a private thing, but it's his (Babcock's) way or the highway. He thinks he's bigger than the game. It's never just hockey with this guy.
Exactly if you don’t comply with him he will bury you. This is nothing more than a test and an abuse of power. In-line with what many former players have said about Babcock.
Sounds like a generational thing. It's imortant to warn kids about creeps before giving them a smartphone, but hopefully by the time you're an adult you know how to share a photo you're comfortable with, without also sharing nudes and your password.
If a player said that something very wrong happened to him, come forward and say what's what. Here it sounds like something true but harmless spun into a complete intrusion of privacy story. It sells and put SC in the spotlight, but if it goes nowhere, it's more damaging for SC and the players. Like, does it try to be the National Inquirer of hockey.
Could be that Babcock asked to see photos and a player didn't have pics to show, but perhaps inappropriate photos instead. Then Babcock says something to coerce or laughingly says something to put the player on the spot to produce and didn't want to. This makes said player feel awkward and then puts it out there. Lots of different angles and POV's I'm not a Babcock supporter at all, just proposing another take.
Babcock comes from an era when guys used to have pictures of their wife and kids in their wallet and would regularly share them. Now all that stuff is on peoples phones. He asked to players to share them, someone freaked out about it and told Biz? That about it? I dont like Babcock and most "old school" coaches but this seems a little silly
I think Biz spilling the beans might hurt him in weird ways. If I was a player and knew biz I be a bit worried about what I say to him now. Imagine that locker room right now in Columbus during training camp lol.
I know that people don’t like the Bartstool brand and i get the history behind that in of it itself. Personally i like the SC podcast as well and listen to their takes on certain topics. But the PA has a job to do and I wouldn’t be suprised if theirs more to this than we know as of right now. Their have been worse controversies in hockey so what’s to say that Babs is already up to his old antics already
I’m just learning about this now, was it anything to do with hockey? Was it cell phone photos from practice or players talking shit about teammates? It completely changes if he’s asking to see messages between a player/goalie and their respective loved ones, it’s completely different if he’s asking for photos of players/goalies off ice in their own time, I think I’d have to hear what the context of what exactly he was asking to see before I could judge this. My own opinion
@@gizmoegamer4487professors at my college have us do this all the time infrint if the class for the first week of school. Why is it a big deal? I don’t even get how it would come off wrong. The only scenario in my head is if they pull up a picture of the wife and kids and call the wife ugly or the kids gay or some shit. But that’s literally a fucking long shot and doubt babs would be stupid enough to even joke about it now considering his rep
Here’s my opinion (since everyone has opinions) Babcock was just a college coach and probably got sick of the phones and punished it by having players show the room what they were watching or listening to or whatever. Complete invasion of privacy, HOWEVER…. Why would babcock - knowing the situation he’s in and he knows it - grab the captain and take his phone. I honestly think it was innocent, but I guarantee you he’s used that Tactic of “show me your phone” to the college kids he was coaching: most likely when they were on it in a locker room or doing TikTok dances on the bus or some dumb shit. Teachers did this all the time in high school, never have I had it happen to me in college. But he probably doesn’t really understand phone privacy in 2018 - current date.
I think Babcock has done obviously mistakes in the past but shit happens and coaching in pro sports never been exactly pampering. I'm more interested to see how things fare out from now on and give the guy a chance to prove either things of the past were overblown and/or he's really changed during the hiatus. If things go south... We will probly learn of it sooner than later.
Meh, plenty of reasons to hate Babcock and plenty of evidence of verbal and mental abuse. I don't really think this one rises to the level being claimed. That being said, I would never want to play for him either.
The fact that the NHL and hockey has a culture of hiding the controversial stuff says enough about how problematic it is. Feeding promising young men into these systems. It’s no wonder our world suffers when these pidgeons are influencing and have their thumb on so many young leaders.
What a soft world we live in now. Does anyone really think Babs is going to go out of his way to “abuse” his players this soon after getting his first gig after the leaf firing and all the horror stories came out? He’s going to be under a microscope for the rest of his career.
Great take on the situation. It's wild reading the comments online and media personalities jumping all over Biz as though he made up the whole story. He got it on good authority from a player in the locker room... these are all the same people who said it was absolutely unfathomable that players in Chicago's dressing room "didn't know" so they bullied them for not saying something. A player said something... and everyone decided it wasn't real because that player felt threatened when it became public. Good work guys. It's not as though Babcock isn't well known for taking revenge on players he doesn't like.
A player in the locker room? His Twitter post claiming this shows the exact opposite. He himself in his own podcast admitted this was all second hand information. Edit: Also, we have four public statements saying that what happened wasn’t forced or coerced in any way. Jack Han, Boone Jenner, Nazem Kadri, and Johnny Gaudreau have all made public comments about Babcock and the pictures, ranging from it being a positive to non-intrusive.
I am going to believe the players. Specifically I am going to believe Gaudreau and Jenner. What is a bad take is that in this social media crazy world everyone is hungry for negativity and any rumor that is negative will gain traction because it makes money. If players come forward with allegations, I would believe them, so when players come forward to rebut we should believe them too. Not that it matters much, but if there were anything to this, Gaudreau and Jenner would have taken a much softer stand, or simply not commented.
Players likely joked to biz about it and biz turned it into a comedic content piece and social media ran its course. Bab is easy target and sucks for him that everything he does gets micro-analyzed now...
if you think Babcock is changed since his last go around then you're being naive. I have no use for spitting chiclets and barfstool sports because we too much memposting edgelord energy in the world, but i have no use for mike babcock even more. as cringe as spitting chiclets is, they were never abusive to players or created toxic lockeroom environments.
Babcock is a HOF coach for his record of winning games and cups... Is he a tough coach with odd tactics? Is he not afraid to go after top guys like Marner/Matthews? Is that why Toronto Sports Net doesn't like him?
This makes me question your integrity , i know mike has a past but this was nothing ,it seems to you just are too young or just very stupid. This does not equates to the kyle beech situation like grow up.
1. Whoever thinks "Spittin' Chicklets" is a reliable source of info needs help. 2. This incident confirms that Biz is a dummy that needs to find another hobby.
To me, Biz and Spittin Chiclets is totally trustworthy, also all the allogations can't be coincidental. It's a shame that guys like Babcock still work in the NHL in 2023 and seem to not learn any lessons. Abusive behaviour will never stay in a locker room. It settles into the minds of human and they will carry it outside, wether they adress their problems directly or not
Folks. It was a simple thing. This whole thing is grossly exaggerated. He was sitting down getting too know his plauers from a personal perspective. Showing photos, he did as well, small talk etc. This thing and the people who are behind this are absolutely insane. How this is being spun.
I do not like spitten chiclets but I’m inclined to believe the truth leans towards bissonettes side of the story but it’s obviously somewhere in between. Also f*** Babcock. Running Franzen’s career.
You do NOT go at people based on hearsay. The Podcast has taken a big credability hit with this one. You trying to ruin a man's career based on not checking to make sure you had you'r facts right... Yeah, he had some real issues in Detroit and he sat for a while thinking it all over and Columbus gave him a 2nd chance. What happened here has Babcock looking just fine and Biz well, not so much.
Come on enough!!! this is a nothing burger!!! We need to stop cancelling people because of our personal feeling!!! Babcock did nothing wrong even the players said so!!! Bissonnette likes to stir shit up. I'm 52 years old and I find young men today to be over sensitive.
Gotta love you so called “ hockey reporter’s “ pick and choose what’s on tap at the moment. If you are gonna call out specific instances, call them all out. Plenty of them to go around. I’ve yet to see any of you call out the Vancouver ownership for what they’ve done to their own family members and those whom worked for them in some capacity. One side of the story doesn’t cut it.
What part of the story did he not cover? He went through Bissonette’s side and acknowledged the Blue Jackets Response and offered his educated opinion based on previous incidents in the same league
@@deederdum1174my guess is that, they are complaining that the Blue Jackets are getting called out while not calling out other teams for similar situations
@@michaelold6695oh okay. Well whatever he’s complaining about isn’t Ecks fault then. Besides, this story is getting so much traction due to Babcock’s history
I'm shocked the 18 year olds are having a hard time with people being social towards them, Maybe if Babs asked them their KDR or fav skin on Fornite they would feel more comfortable, oh and Babs can only talk to them over insta face to face doesn't work for them it's triggering 😂😂😂😂
People actually believing a PR team, whose entire job is centered around trying to sweep things under the rug, is the only thing surprising about this.
There's a reason someone with the resume that Bab's has was out of the league so long. True or false in this instance, buckle up Jackets fans, this is only the beginning.
People actually believe the public statements of three NHL players and the NHLPA’s current look on the situation over three guys whose evidence is two anonymous sources, neither of whom are involved in the Columbus organization? Wow.
The reason he was out of the league for years was cause no one wanted to take any money off of the leafs’ hands. The second that money ran out, he got hired. Just kinda seems like modern athletes can’t handle a tough coach.
@@stentorofsparta3576 Nope. keep being a white knight tho, maybe someone will care.
I don't care if it is fake or not, I despise babcock. Him getting another chance shows how terrible the culture of the NHL is
Agreed, Babcock is my LEAST favorite NHL coach, and my least favorite sports coach in general.
Cry harder.
Couldn’t agree more.
I'm a Redwings fan and I can't stand the guy. What he did to Mike Modano is somehow one of his lesser offenses...
He's a tough coach I think people give way to many f's about this
So Gaudreau and Jenner have come out to say that this has all been overblown. I'm honestly not sure if they're just trying to smooth things over for the sake of the team or if they're telling the truth. Either way, the only reason this is a thing is because Babcock has done some really nasty and incredibly petty things in the past and those are just the things we've heard about. Maybe he's reformed but he's got a long way to go to show he has actually reformed.
people who've been like that in the past have to prove they are no longer like that, they don't get the benefit of the doubt. The best indications of future behavior is past behavior, and that extends to pretty much everything. The person thats 10 mins early for work every day, if they don't show up i'm thinking something is wrong like a family emergency or maybe they got into an accident. The person thats never on time and is flaky, they don't show up and everyone is asking "how long is (insert boss's name) going to put up with this?"
I fully believe babcock did what they say and Gaudreau and Jenner are saying what they can to not cause drama on the team.
@@tommcd8471 The story has evolved over the day so I'm trying not to pass judgement on anyone yet. I think we should see how it plays out 1st.
Columbus saw fit, for whatever dumb reason, to hire him so for the sake of the team and season, he should get a little benefit of the doubt eg a very short leash.
I just think it’s funny that Johnny Hockey left a great hockey town to go play somewhere closer to home, that’s not a good hockey town, that doesn’t have a good hockey team, to play for a worse coach than Sutter, for less money. And he didn’t even move close to home. He could’ve signed with the Devils, and been a great middle-hockey-career-aged mentor to all those young guys on the New Jersey roster, and help develop them. Plus, they actually have good potential in Newark. I expect they’ll be a top contender again this next season. But instead, Johnny chose to play for a worse team with the worst coach. In a worse city that’s farther from home than he could move to, for less money.
I will never understand how fucking stupid all of that is. Does he seriously just want to lose? Did he get tired of playing hard and trying to win? None of it makes any fucking sense, logically and practically. Oh well though, his life choices, his mistakes.
I just think it’s funny that Johnny Hockey left a great hockey town to go play somewhere closer to home, that’s not a good hockey town, that doesn’t have a good hockey team, to play for a worse coach than Sutter, for less money. And he didn’t even move close to home. He could’ve signed with the Devils, and been a great middle-hockey-career-aged mentor to all those young guys on the New Jersey roster, and help develop them. Plus, they actually have good potential in Newark. I expect they’ll be a top contender again this next season. But instead, Johnny chose to play for a worse team with a worse coach in a worse city that’s farther from home than he could move to, for less money.
I will never understand how fucking stupid all of that is. Does he seriously just want to lose? Did he get tired of playing hard and trying to win? None of it makes any fucking sense, logically and practically. Oh well though, his life choices, his mistakes.
@@JesusFriedChristdude jersey is the armpit of this country
The fact that an NHL team actually thought hiring Babcock would be a good idea is baffling to me. We're not even training camp yet and this guy is already causing problems
The media is the one causing problems. Babs is good
He’s an odd guy but he’s tough on his players & has 700 career wins. Doesn’t seem like that ridiculous of a hire.
Except this time, apparently he wasn't causing a problem
@@stentorofsparta3576 He’s a proven PR nightmare with a fetish for power tripping and being a total dick to players. This is a prime example of how it is a ridiculous hire
The NHL has lost the credibility to say “this is over blown - nothing to see here”
Babcock has a reputation and a history which gives him little leeway for the benefit of the doubt.
These are self inflicted problems, so when there is the potential for players being abused, taking the allegations seriously is not a bad policy
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So you don't believe Gaudreau or Jenner? They have no credibility in your book?
@@jiml5837 do we know who made the initial allegations? Was it someone on the team or not?
These are important steps to take to investigate.
Listen to the player’s statements and evaluate the info, but don’t just dismiss it because of what the NHL or Babcock say because they are lacking in credibility.
@@michaelold6695 the PR spin made many people look like fools. the cat is out of the bag, he's fired and the NHLPA made sure he was.
Someone on reddit said what happened, and I think this is the real story: Babs told everyone to submit a photo of what kind of person they are. Then he puts it on a slide show, and then get the person to tell them a bit about themselves, It's an icebreaker thing. Seems like someone just didn't like it and told Biz this and he took it out of proportion.
Edit: I’m not changing what I said. But after all of the new information that came out. Really scummy. Especially that he took players out to lunch, looked through their phones and scrolled through the pictures and left.
Yeah sounds like it was a player who might be young not understand team bounding. Nothing that important.
Biz posted a screenshot of he person who texted him and they aren't even on Columbus right now. Clearly a formerly coached player who just hates Babcock letting Biz know another weird/out of touch thing he does, as if asking to see pictures of a coworkers family is weird?
Whoever this player is, they clearly hate babcock enough instigate biz into making this a whole big story.
I highly doubt that was as innocent as it was. If that was he case there’s no chance multiple players would have complained about it. It must have been more invasive.
Even if it is true, nobody is gonna tell biz anything again because he blabbered for attention.
Babs is a narcissist they never change
Avoiding narcissists is the only way to deal with them.
Those of us who were pissed off at the BabCOCK hire in the first place are eating well...
Except not, because we're CBJ fans.
Doerrie is actually embarrassing. She doubled down like 20 min ago on twitter by basically saying, ya Biz was right, but you all shouldnt have jumped the gun to believe him. Meanwhile she absolutely gobbled up the PR statement from the team without question. Like you said, dislike Spittin' Chicklets all you want, but I'm going to take their statements on how players feel FAR more seriously than effing Mike Babcock.
Rachel Doerrie is usually really great, kind of a weird take fs
I’m very sceptical of the statements from Columbus players and Babcock. The NHL has a bad history of circling the wagons and covering this stuff up.
Have u considered the history of content creators exaggerating/lying for clicks
@@hello_world_104 bro why would a guy like biz triple down on it and lie something as serious as this especially when he can risk his tv career
@@chloewu2760 ive not heard or seen a single thing biz said. Idk why these vids can put in the clips being talked about so idk extend of biz joking and media blowing up or biz actually trying play hero but either way like i like babcock and want him as coach and think all the players do too. I think less players will be texting biz insider stuff cause i doubt any jackets cared enough to have a news story
@@hello_world_104 biz wouldn’t joke about this that’s the thing
Talk about picking the worst picture of babcock. Lmao😅😅
I'm no big Spittin' Chiclets fan, but I'd 100% believe this stuff about Babcock. He's got a history of being an ass
You bring up a very good point about different players and the different power dynamics that are all at play. For a player like Jenner or Gaudreau or even a veteran, they may have had a conversation similar to what was published by the PR team. For rookies or 4th liners it may have felt more crass or even forced. Like Han indicated in the tweet, maybe for some players it felt conversational but with others it felt more forced and awkward. The truth definitely lies in the middle and the fact that this came out on this podcast and sounded more like Babs basically said, “unlock your phone I’m going to scroll through your photos” made me immediately skeptical of the report. Babs isn’t dumb and knows that he is on thin ice. He knows that stuff is going to be reported out and watched under a microscope and I am sure that he knows that some people are going to be looking to sabotage him as he tries to prove that he’s changed.
As a Red Wings fan, it’s hard to forgive the man but I’m always willing to be proved wrong and see that he has changed.
Damn this whole scenario is the POS calling the POS a POS.
Friendly fire was left on, gotta contact the devs
Personally, ill never forgive Babcock for not giving Modano his 1500th game
All time scumbag move
@@Blackphillipsupporter How full of yourself do you have to be to deny one of the greatest players of all time a huge milestone just because youre on a power trip. I hope he never gets another chel job again
Give a "journalist" a kernel of corn and they will grow a full plant.
"According to a source who is familiar with the thinking of the president..."
This story could easily be blown way out of proportion by biz, but let’s be honest, Babcock dosen’t exactly have the best reputation to fall back on…
exactly and I have seen Friedman's newest tweet which said young players on cbj have a problem with it which reminds me of the Marner situation back in Toronto
Ya know, if I didn’t watch Eck, I wouldn’t know half the things about hockey news❤ love this channel! + idk about this situation it’s kinda tough to know what’s going on, but u summed it up pretty well
Get your news from eck. Don’t listen to his opinions; they are brutal.
Nothing wrong with this video in particular; but if you go through some others you will see what I’m talking about
Paul Bissonette... Name I haven't heard in years. Last I knew, he was half-snookered playing against Sidney Crosby on a golf course one summer.
"Man, I REALLY wanna eat a steak dinner on Crosby's credit card...."
I don't like Babcock but if nobody has a complaint to make and everyone in the know is telling the same story I dont see how anyone can assume the worst based off an off the record comment from an anonymous source on a podcast. Maybe it did happen but if it didn't then this wouldn't be the first time a story got twisted beyond recognition because someone heard it from a friend of a friend.
Maybe have a team dinner and make your way around the room in an attempt to get to know the guys better? Phones are a private thing, but it's his (Babcock's) way or the highway. He thinks he's bigger than the game. It's never just hockey with this guy.
Hes a socially awkward boomer.
Exactly if you don’t comply with him he will bury you. This is nothing more than a test and an abuse of power. In-line with what many former players have said about Babcock.
People cry a little to much about anything pertaining to Mike Babcock. Guy does some odd things & people act like he’s Ted Bundy.
Totally agree!!! The guy ask for some photos oh the horror!!!! im sure the players will be damage mentally for the rest of their lives!! Lol
Another great take that aged well man, like usual
@@Thierry_N how is it incorrect? Or do you equate Mike Babcock & Ted Bundy?
Sounds like a generational thing. It's imortant to warn kids about creeps before giving them a smartphone, but hopefully by the time you're an adult you know how to share a photo you're comfortable with, without also sharing nudes and your password.
If a player said that something very wrong happened to him, come forward and say what's what. Here it sounds like something true but harmless spun into a complete intrusion of privacy story. It sells and put SC in the spotlight, but if it goes nowhere, it's more damaging for SC and the players. Like, does it try to be the National Inquirer of hockey.
Very true
Great insight as always, eck
Time to bring mike commodore back to talk about it welcome him back I’m sure he won’t hold back again
That's a good point, Biz said he heard from other players...Obviously CBJ has a PR team, that would try to undermine what actually happened.
Well, the players union investigated it, too, and also said nothing bad happened.
The nhl has the toxic ass hockey culture. The players are unreliable narratators
Will never forgive Babs for what he did to Franzen
Why?
IF someone told Biz that then they had to expect it to come out. No one would be stupid enough to think he wouldn't say anything in public about it
Could be that Babcock asked to see photos and a player didn't have pics to show, but perhaps inappropriate photos instead. Then Babcock says something to coerce or laughingly says something to put the player on the spot to produce and didn't want to. This makes said player feel awkward and then puts it out there. Lots of different angles and POV's I'm not a Babcock supporter at all, just proposing another take.
Knuckle draggers totally unfamiliar with Columbus always looking for an excuse to justify their ridiculous biases about the team and city.
MY source is that I made it the fuck up
You can hear how vague and misrepresented it is before Columbus addressed the controversy!
The most surprising revelation would be Bissonette making that up.
Can say that it a doubt that he did ,it biznasty that guy is an a hole and wants to get clicks.
he probably is. spittin chiclets is for the lowest common denominator. the tmz of sports podcasts.
@@robertcop8825 he's not bro , biz tripled down on it and with Friedman's latest tweet about Babcock there is truth to what biz said
Babcock comes from an era when guys used to have pictures of their wife and kids in their wallet and would regularly share them. Now all that stuff is on peoples phones. He asked to players to share them, someone freaked out about it and told Biz? That about it?
I dont like Babcock and most "old school" coaches but this seems a little silly
That’s right too. I never thought of it like that
I think Biz spilling the beans might hurt him in weird ways. If I was a player and knew biz I be a bit worried about what I say to him now. Imagine that locker room right now in Columbus during training camp lol.
Yeah I was thinking about that. Especially if he really did blow it out of proportion
You have to do a lot worse to get the #1 pick in the draft. Nice try though Columbus
Amazing breakdown.
Another epic vid Eck!!!!!
I know that people don’t like the Bartstool brand and i get the history behind that in of it itself. Personally i like the SC podcast as well and listen to their takes on certain topics. But the PA has a job to do and I wouldn’t be suprised if theirs more to this than we know as of right now. Their have been worse controversies in hockey so what’s to say that Babs is already up to his old antics already
I’m just learning about this now, was it anything to do with hockey? Was it cell phone photos from practice or players talking shit about teammates? It completely changes if he’s asking to see messages between a player/goalie and their respective loved ones, it’s completely different if he’s asking for photos of players/goalies off ice in their own time, I think I’d have to hear what the context of what exactly he was asking to see before I could judge this. My own opinion
He asked for family photos so he can get to know the players, that was it .much to do about nothing .
@@kasrasadrehashemi174 I’m not a fan of that tbh, sounds like this guy has a bad history and he should have known this would go poorly.
@@gizmoegamer4487none of the players had a problem with it, so not sure why everyone else does.
@@gizmoegamer4487professors at my college have us do this all the time infrint if the class for the first week of school.
Why is it a big deal? I don’t even get how it would come off wrong.
The only scenario in my head is if they pull up a picture of the wife and kids and call the wife ugly or the kids gay or some shit.
But that’s literally a fucking long shot and doubt babs would be stupid enough to even joke about it now considering his rep
If there is smoke, there is usually also fire.
I hate being a jackets fan sometimes man.
Here’s my opinion (since everyone has opinions)
Babcock was just a college coach and probably got sick of the phones and punished it by having players show the room what they were watching or listening to or whatever.
Complete invasion of privacy, HOWEVER….
Why would babcock - knowing the situation he’s in and he knows it - grab the captain and take his phone. I honestly think it was innocent, but I guarantee you he’s used that Tactic of “show me your phone” to the college kids he was coaching: most likely when they were on it in a locker room or doing TikTok dances on the bus or some dumb shit.
Teachers did this all the time in high school, never have I had it happen to me in college. But he probably doesn’t really understand phone privacy in 2018 - current date.
I think Babcock has done obviously mistakes in the past but shit happens and coaching in pro sports never been exactly pampering. I'm more interested to see how things fare out from now on and give the guy a chance to prove either things of the past were overblown and/or he's really changed during the hiatus. If things go south... We will probly learn of it sooner than later.
Meh, plenty of reasons to hate Babcock and plenty of evidence of verbal and mental abuse. I don't really think this one rises to the level being claimed. That being said, I would never want to play for him either.
The fact that the NHL and hockey has a culture of hiding the controversial stuff says enough about how problematic it is.
Feeding promising young men into these systems. It’s no wonder our world suffers when these pidgeons are influencing and have their thumb on so many young leaders.
Wtf are you talking about.
Seems more like modern players just can’t handle a tough coach. It’s gotta be all skill sessions & being told how great they are.
What a soft world we live in now. Does anyone really think Babs is going to go out of his way to “abuse” his players this soon after getting his first gig after the leaf firing and all the horror stories came out? He’s going to be under a microscope for the rest of his career.
I agree with you, young men are so fragile today, they're like little flowers Lol
Will Columbus cut ties with babs before the season starts?
hehe he plays pickleball
well well well
Great take on the situation. It's wild reading the comments online and media personalities jumping all over Biz as though he made up the whole story. He got it on good authority from a player in the locker room... these are all the same people who said it was absolutely unfathomable that players in Chicago's dressing room "didn't know" so they bullied them for not saying something.
A player said something... and everyone decided it wasn't real because that player felt threatened when it became public. Good work guys. It's not as though Babcock isn't well known for taking revenge on players he doesn't like.
A player in the locker room? His Twitter post claiming this shows the exact opposite. He himself in his own podcast admitted this was all second hand information.
Edit: Also, we have four public statements saying that what happened wasn’t forced or coerced in any way. Jack Han, Boone Jenner, Nazem Kadri, and Johnny Gaudreau have all made public comments about Babcock and the pictures, ranging from it being a positive to non-intrusive.
@@jacoblebold8462 your comment aged like milk.
@@OilCountryForever Yes, I probably should have waited a bit longer to make any comment to ensure I got the whole story correct.
@@jacoblebold8462 or used a single brain cell
Stop white knighting for millionaires. This generation is the softest generation we have ever seen.
Fool me 100 times shame on....?
I am going to believe the players. Specifically I am going to believe Gaudreau and Jenner.
What is a bad take is that in this social media crazy world everyone is hungry for negativity and any rumor that is negative will gain traction because it makes money. If players come forward with allegations, I would believe them, so when players come forward to rebut we should believe them too. Not that it matters much, but if there were anything to this, Gaudreau and Jenner would have taken a much softer stand, or simply not commented.
they got told what to say. the PR spin failed, he's fired.
Yo podcast armchair hero(not eck)!
Thanks,eck!
He has done this everywhere he has worked. Pissonette likes to make things up to stir things up. Babs should sue him.
Players likely joked to biz about it and biz turned it into a comedic content piece and social media ran its course. Bab is easy target and sucks for him that everything he does gets micro-analyzed now...
apparently bissonette is lying for views
if you think Babcock is changed since his last go around then you're being naive. I have no use for spitting chiclets and barfstool sports because we too much memposting edgelord energy in the world, but i have no use for mike babcock even more. as cringe as spitting chiclets is, they were never abusive to players or created toxic lockeroom environments.
Mike Babcock is a great coach! No coach can make the Maple leafs great LOL
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Heyyy Babby!
I wanna knowwwwww…did you search my phone you creep?
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Babcock is a HOF coach for his record of winning games and cups...
Is he a tough coach with odd tactics? Is he not afraid to go after top guys like Marner/Matthews? Is that why Toronto Sports Net doesn't like him?
Bingo, you just hit the nail on the head!!!
This makes me question your integrity , i know mike has a past but this was nothing ,it seems to you just are too young or just very stupid. This does not equates to the kyle beech situation like grow up.
1. Whoever thinks "Spittin' Chicklets" is a reliable source of info needs help.
2. This incident confirms that Biz is a dummy that needs to find another hobby.
To me, Biz and Spittin Chiclets is totally trustworthy, also all the allogations can't be coincidental. It's a shame that guys like Babcock still work in the NHL in 2023 and seem to not learn any lessons.
Abusive behaviour will never stay in a locker room. It settles into the minds of human and they will carry it outside, wether they adress their problems directly or not
I forgot Kyle beach got his tongue cut off and wasn’t capable of speaking for himself
Folks. It was a simple thing. This whole thing is grossly exaggerated.
He was sitting down getting too know his plauers from a personal perspective. Showing photos, he did as well, small talk etc.
This thing and the people who are behind this are absolutely insane.
How this is being spun.
"We invested ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"
Who cares!
I do not like spitten chiclets but I’m inclined to believe the truth leans towards bissonettes side of the story but it’s obviously somewhere in between. Also f*** Babcock. Running Franzen’s career.
You do NOT go at people based on hearsay. The Podcast has taken a big credability hit with this one. You trying to ruin a man's career based on not checking to make sure you had you'r facts right... Yeah, he had some real issues in Detroit and he sat for a while thinking it all over and Columbus gave him a 2nd chance. What happened here has Babcock looking just fine and Biz well, not so much.
Have you considered the possibility that Bissonnette is a clown and talks shit?
Comment aged like milk
@@mydudechris 😂
Come on enough!!! this is a nothing burger!!! We need to stop cancelling people because of our personal feeling!!! Babcock did nothing wrong even the players said so!!! Bissonnette likes to stir shit up. I'm 52 years old and I find young men today to be over sensitive.
Biz is my age 38 so not a child and should get his feeling in check
Gotta love you so called “ hockey reporter’s “ pick and choose what’s on tap at the moment. If you are gonna call out specific instances, call them all out. Plenty of them to go around. I’ve yet to see any of you call out the Vancouver ownership for what they’ve done to their own family members and those whom worked for them in some capacity. One side of the story doesn’t cut it.
What part of the story did he not cover? He went through Bissonette’s side and acknowledged the Blue Jackets Response and offered his educated opinion based on previous incidents in the same league
@@deederdum1174my guess is that, they are complaining that the Blue Jackets are getting called out while not calling out other teams for similar situations
@@michaelold6695oh okay. Well whatever he’s complaining about isn’t Ecks fault then. Besides, this story is getting so much traction due to Babcock’s history
I'm shocked the 18 year olds are having a hard time with people being social towards them, Maybe if Babs asked them their KDR or fav skin on Fornite they would feel more comfortable, oh and Babs can only talk to them over insta face to face doesn't work for them it's triggering 😂😂😂😂