YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE ALL YOUR PHOTOS AND VIDEOS!
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- That's right. This could be the end.
That video I mentioned about the book:
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One computer? I get nervous if my photos are all in one hemisphere of the earth ☀️🔥🔥🔥
So you're keeping all of your copies in one solar system?! Living dangerously. 😅
Be aware of media degradation, sometimes referred to as "bit rot". Over long periods of time, the media on stored disks (both HDD and SSDs) will develop corrupted bits, sometimes making files unreadable. I have had this happen to me several times when trying to reopen files that were stored away on media 5+ years. The NAS option combined with SmugMug makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
Fortunately, the Synology NASs have health check apps which you can set to run periodically to help prevent that.
When I first made the switch to digital (with the venerable Kodak DCS280 back in the late 90s) I lost nearly two years worth of images because I didn’t back anything up. Half of the images from my college years … gone. Fortunately I still did use film cameras occasionally and I have all the prints, so not all was lost.
Now I have everything backed up but I still feel some paranoia. To allay that I go through my camera rolls / Lightroom, choose my favorites, and print them.
Just like how people found a grandparents old photos in a shoebox in the attic, I like to think even after I’m gone and all my digital stuff is in digital oblivion, the prints will most likely survive.
People forget how fragile digital really is. Thanks for the reminder.
Edit: If you are an Amazon Prime subscriber you get unlimited photo backup including RAW files. Better than nothing!
Edit 2: Not DCS - DC280. The consumer grade camera, not the DSLR-style one.
I still have my Kodak DC280 photos. They're on Google Photos and my backup drive. Come to think of it, the camera must be in a shoebox somewhere.
Prints (as well as negatives and slides) are at risk of loss through fire, natural disasters, theft and physical degradation. One solution is to keep multiple copies in different locations. That's where digital is king - you can create as many bit-perfect copies as you like, with minimal overhead, and save them in multiple different locations. But at the end of the day, there is no single, perfect, ideal solution to the problem and a hybrid approach combining digital and physical media makes a lot of sense.
As someone that just shoots for fun, the way I’m managing things is by storing RAWS on my portable SSD which I can work off of, backing up those RAWS and finished shots onto a larger drive elsewhere and then uploading just the finished products to Dropbox, which doesn’t fill up quickly and also is very easy to share with others
Right. Remember that anything in digital space can disappear too. Wait until nobody pays for it.
I hope you are printing a lot, that's soon to become the preferred memento of better days (if I may seem so glummy 😉).
Good way
Me too
Great video! What also helps is knowing that nothing lasts forever and we are all spinning in an empty void on a pale blue dot. Nobody will die if a million photos are lost. Peace and love are more important to keep. That said, I love my NAS. Peace! ❤
30 year IT Professional and I've learned the hard way too many times that physical storage has a finite shelf life no matter how well protected you think you have them. MULTIPLE COPIES including cloud is the only way to protect your important files. Synology is one of the best I've used professionally and personally. Thanks for the reminder.
Very comprehensive video! You basically have your own little cloud system with that NAS :) only thing you have to do is be careful about point of access to that storage if someone is sniffing the network. And I agree, that is the end game for backing up!
Maybe - maybe not. Electric problems in your area or household might quickly fry this little guy. Further, software or hardware failure might corrupt data. As long as The NAS is your backup, you should be fine. If you move your files over from your computer you need to be aware of the risk.
@@mars5172 I couldn't understand what did you want to say?
There are systems for ensuring power stability for critical devices. Even in case of running out of power.
I just discovered your channel yesterday and I am amazed. It's loaded with information and details. I've paid for less on some other places. Congratulations! Big Like U!
wow. as a person who suffers from paranoia., this is a good video. When I started digital more than 25 years ago I never would have thought how much data one could collect in a year. Great video.
Thanks for your advice. I’d like to add that you should keep in mind technological obsolescence, as tech evolves and older stuff lacks proper support or exchange, software/file type obsolescence as well and last, but not least: check the integrity of your backups regularly.
Really, after I die, which will be relatively soon since I'm 78, no one will give a damn about these "precious" moments of my soon to be forgotten life. I remember being
at a friends' wake and I dug out several boxes filled with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of neglected prints. "Precious" memories destined in future years for a landfill.
Fun to go through my photographs and curate, tho' My wife loves taking lots of pictures, then she never looks at them again. There are too many to deal with, I suppose.
Multiple multiple backups are the best solution and a NAS is a great tool. Although mine also became a media server and I need another one.
Have you done videos on workflow and data management as your collection grows?
I’d love to hear your thoughts on:
Managing a large Lightroom catalog. Do you Split it, group it by project?
What to archive and what to delete as a working photographer.
Managing and archiving final work - do you keep just exported prints or do you keep your raw files?
Best ways to publish and distribute finished work?
Love the show so far!
I'm so glad you made this video. I have this conversation with people all the time. I ask if your computer and cell phone blew up today, would you have any memories to speak of? Many people say no. I started saving to external hard drives and printing photo books. Additionally, I also print 4x6 or 5x7 photos to keep in a generic photo album. Technology fails and one day, social media won't be around so you have to future proof your photos. My problem with relying on any piece of technology is that they can either fail or become obsolete. All that being said, even the NAS will likely one day be obsolete technology and I just don't have the drive (computer storage joke) to keep everything current when they age out. So printing my photos is still one of my favorite "backups"
When I was doing full-time freelance as a graphic designer storage was always a concern. I've been through all the steps you described, with exception of the last one.
Really appreciate you sharing, I like your final method. Good to know : )
Thanks for another informative and yet fun video. Personally I"m at the SanDisk G pro drive X2 now and use the 1 TB ssd working drive. My big mistake was not having a plan to organize my photos. Some are by LR year month day style others I have renamed but its a mess of 3 years of photos. I wish there were a "plan" to reorganize my files, kinda like a template I could follow and then....stick with it. Thanks again,Ted
This is all REALLY good advice if you're a working professional or have a family and if you have the budget for such a backup setup. Its tricky figuring out what you really need that works well within your budget and how much you shoot. I'm not a professional, I'm barely a hobbyist at this point, I don't have really any family or friends so the photos I make are just artsy photographs that don't really matter anymore so for me personally it's not a huge deal if I lost all my work as I don't have anything too important to lose. I also barely take 20 photos a month haha so over the last 20 years I barely have 2TB worth of photos/videos that I store on only two drives. I occasionally back them up to another drive that gets stored in my closet. That's it for me. So I really think you need to consider your needs first..don't byte (😉) more than you can chew kinda thing.
That's the truth. Do as little as you need but not less.
I have been doing this for 12 years with my Synology DS1511+ five bay NAS. I am a huge fan of Synology. But there is one important thing you forgot to mention. I have had four or five HD failures over the years. You have to set it up for two HD failure protection, not just for one HD failure protection. I almost lost all my data from the NAS like that. I had a failure, so I replaced the HD. During the rebuilding process (which can take days), a second HD failed. I found out by talking to Synology that this is very common because during the building, a lot of stress is put on the remaining HDs. I was able to save most of the data because the failures were not total, and I found a way to manually copy out most of the data from the bad HDs. It took days to do this. So, I learned this lesson the hard way. Nobody tells you this!
Dude epic video, I just spent 4 days deep diving into backups, and you sequentially went thru all the options on the table, I appreciate having more opinions and thoughts, it's a tough decision as I can only afford something budget.
I’ve done the same thing with my Synology NAS. I bought the four Bay 920+ and it can expand to 9 bays with add-on box. Very happy with it. Haven’t tried using the Plex server yet but that’s on the list. Time Machine also backs up to the NAS as well every hour. Your storage journey has been very similar to mine over the past 20 years.
Omar thanks so much for this video. Very informative with lots of options. One of the options that you sort of touched on was printing. I wouldn't mind seeing a video on what services you have tried and what you recommend including home printers. Unless of course you've done that already. Just point me to the video. Thank you!
This is super helpful. Ive had three ssd back ups fail on me. Thankfully I didn't lose anything too important but the more work I create the more I'm worried that something will eventually go wrong.
I've on the same path. Single mac laptop then time machine, etc. Most of my older external hard drives are not toast. Currently on the 2 drive synology. Been looking at the larger drive ones as well. Thanks for all the great info!
Cost has always been a limiting factor for my day at backup, or at times none; buying an external drive years ago was a luxury; later as I had more drives hooked up with no backup, I was worried as they aged. Took a while to afford a 4-bay RAID box (the cheapest, called Mediasonic, goes by other names un other markets). Now at least everything has a Raid 1 copy, and I tend to go for smaller drives on the theory of not too many eggs in the one basket (or bits in this case). I found out it was even cheaper to get a plain JBOD box (no RAID controller) and get SoftRaid Lite. That is my compromise. Eventually when I can afford it, It’ll get a 3rd disk, and through SoftRaid can add a 2nd swappable mirror (total 3 disks with master), and occasionally will store the spare mirror offsite, and when an active RAID array, swap the mirror out occasionally to keep them all in sync. That’s the plan anyway.
Hello Omar, thanks for this interesting video.
Don't forget the most important risk for your data. Today, the probability of having a ransomeware attack is higher than a fire or a robbery. That's why you absolutely have to backup your data offline. If you have a daily synchronization of your data with another NAS, you will have very big problems in case of a ransomware attack.
If you do incremental backups to the other NAS, you would also be somewhat safe against ransomware, right? I do this with Borg and if there ever was some ransomware that encrypted all files on my primary NAS and that were synced to the backup (which would take weeks because of my internet connection), I could still revert to an older snapshot…
@@Lumpiluk Not quite: If you want to protect yourself against a ransomware attack, your backup must not always be online. Ransomeware will also encrypt backups. A "state of the art" solution is far too expensive for an individual or a small business.
My solution in addition to my NAS and my backup in the cloud, I have two HD (HD A & HD B) on which I make backup alternatively but not too frequently, every 6-8 weeks. For example in January a backup on HD A (it is online only for the time of the backup), in March a backup on HD B, and only in May again a backup on HD A, that leaves me enough time to figure out if I have a ransomeware attack.
Hi Omar! I can't express enough how I just love your energy level and overall positivity! Quick question - that photo book you mention in this video (the same book you featured in a video some years back) - could you share what service you used to create the book? The quality is outstanding, which is why I ask. THANKS! Brian
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You're the coolest guy. Thanks for the good vibes and great advice. Cheers!
Awesome and very informative video! I am actually looking for a solution and you gave me some really good insights.
Totally agree with your suggestion to print and make books.
Losing deleting all your photo files and video files is a good way to start fresh. That would be a brave video topic to practice.
Definitely saving this VLOG... been toying with the idea of setting up a NAS in my home for several years... you may have just pushed me to finally pull the trigger (so to speak)
I'm swimming in external drives and looking for better options. This video was so very helpful!
I literally paused this video to go and back up my primary hard drive to my backup HD + all my best work to the cloud :) TY for the heads up :)
Excellent video, Omar. Looking forward to seeing the offsite video.
I'm jealous of how nice your X70 looks. Mine is thrashed. I actually had to buy a GRIII to replace it this week. It just finally died after about 5 years of use. 😢
Wanna buy it? I barely use it. :(
@@ogonzilla I absolutely would have taken you up on that last week, but I caved and bought a Ricoh GR because the second hand Fujifilm prices are crazy right now.
I think if I buy two cameras in a week I couldn't run far enough to escape my wife's chancla. 😂
Hey Omar thanks for this video. You got me really thinking about how I'm going about preserving my images. I am making changes now. My first step is buying a NAS. I picked up a Synology 24TB two-drive IronWolf bundle unit for 700 and a couple of 2tb SSDs. I have about 4tb worth of cloud space between two services which I will be using to backup my permanent albums.
Anyway I found your advice very useful. Good luck on your channel. Thx
I started with a NAS but then the manufacturer after a few years stopped supporting web access software before I even filled the 6TB....now I just use Onedrive (family with 1TB per member) for the cleaned albums and keep the numbered folders from the cameras as a backup with unedited material. That I keep on ssd's, but I don't chew through those since I also throw away the raw for all but the interesting stuff. Great idea to focus people on this topic though...
Hey Omar. Do you back up the final edits a JPEG or the RAW files? Both? If RAW do you convert to DNG?
Another thing that can help avoid data loss when using a NAS is buying HDDs from different batches (e.g. by sourcing from different sellers, or checking the mfr date if buying at a physical store), models, or manufacturers.
That will prevent a potential defect that manifests itself after a certain usage period from bricking all drives at once.
Ive heard a saying that goes; there are two types of people, those that back up and those that will back up. My family only had the photos on the boot drive on the communal desktop, it was okay for years until the drive failed and corrupted half the files. This was when I was a kid and lost a lot of files I still think of. Now I make sure to have multiple copies on different drives in different locations.
I would suggest not forgetting to use file encryption if you store your data on HDD/SSD disks. Just keep in mind that anyone can plug in your storage to their device and read all your data.
Its hard to have a backup when your a data hoarder with 20TB hooked up to your rig like myself. Been planning on building a 60+TB server for awhile now to host family photos and videos and our media server. The intention is to eventually have two servers that are synced up after I move out of my parents place so that the data is saved in two separate locations. Just waiting till I graduate and enter the workforce so I can actually afford it.
Currently, I just keep all my important files on a separate internal drive from my OS which has saved me twice now when Windows crapped out. Its not encrypted so I can always pop it out and plug it into another PC. I have a few things copied to multiple different drives (or systems), but not enough
The title is why I am here. You don't know how often I feel like I need 3 or 4 backups.
I just try to have the mindset of “I can get that shot again, I have confidence and the know-how”. Obviously there are exceptions like vacation photos or once in a lifetime moments but this helps me not worry so much about photos getting lost due to system error.
As long as I had no kids I would have agreed...
I can appreciate that any of us with the necessary skills can create - re-recreate - an image that is at least proximate the original but - the question I would have - as someone who doesn't like to ever revisit an image to re-edit it once I get it exactly where I want it - is why would I want to put myself through all that when with a few minutes of thought I could make the necessary arrangements to cover the contingency of one form of storage failing, so I don't have to do it "all over again"?
That picture of you looking like you are out of Star Wars and a Jedi Master is great!
Such a great idea to make the books of my kids and my favorite photos. Awesome
If you depend on hard drives and they corrupt it is useful to be aware of some of the easy to use software out there that can source the hard drive and pull back a lot of images you think have been lost. Happened to me!
Why wouldn't you reference some examples of the easy to use software? They may be obvious to you, but others never heard of it.
As always, entertaining AND educational - you strike a great balance in your videos!
Done a few books now, with mixed results. So I've added pdf ebooks, optimized for iPad/Kindle, to my list - keeping a high resolution version in my files. That way they get shared easily.
Here goes, everytime I watch your videos I just love your style, personality, there, said it.
Be sure you connect your NAS to an UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply). Power failures can cause data corruption and drive failures.
Hi Omar your overviews is really comprehensive. I appreciated you included the printing your own photobook, and the evolution you went through. The brands of the equipment or cloud services you mentioned are not necessarily important, but can help people who are less informed. A lot of people are unfortunately reactive rather than proactive when it comes to security. But yes it happens. My 2014 laptop's internal SSD died suddenly in 2020. But I didn't loose anything. At every purchase and initial configuration of a new computer for myself or my wife a part of the budget and time goes into setting up automated backup. Automated backup means one only has to monitor from time to time if it is still ok. I do agree with your current solution for your own data backup since you're making your living from it. For an amateur like me, I don't have huge masses of data. Hence external hard drives are doing the job. These include hard drives that are re-synchronised every month and sent to my son's house.
Best decision we made as a family was to select digital photos taken over the previous year and have them printed in an actual physical book.
When going for a NAS, what I recommand is adding an APC, it costs around 100$ and basically, it prevents the nas to have corrupted data when power is lost.
The APC has a little battery and the nas connected to it will communicate by usb. If the power is lost, the nas will shut down properly during the time the battery is still charged.
Google photos is amazing for searching for a photo in your storage. I’ve mainly depended on that for backup, but I also keep an external SSD and print my fave photos
I've done photography for 45 years. Before digital cameras came along, of course everything was on film and the prints from those negatives which I still have. Once i went digital, all of my shots resided on a hard drive. Then I went to external mirrored hard drives. Those drives have been replaced and updated over the years to a Synology NAS device. Eventually I'll probably replace the hard drives with SSD drives. But, what bothers me, and I only thought about it just now, is that all of those photos will be gone when I'm gone. A lifetime of photographs. If someone can come up with a way to take them with me, then that would really be backup!
The main issue with the archiving HDD drives is that they also tend to 'freeze up' when they're not used
Complete lunacy!! 😅😂 been there and done that. Best tip is to print out your favorites.
Good video. Do you have one on indexing? How do we create a master storage of prints, negs, slides, cell, slr, dslr, etc....
Glad you ended with synology NAS - that's what I did - though it's for my engineering business files it also holds photos. I have set up that snapshots the data storage and tracks changes (apparantly without using much disk space) - so if I stupidly delete something I didn't mean to I can wind back and recover it.
After a few power cuts and resultant disk crashes I got a UPS - uninteruptible power supply - for the NAS. If you have unreliable power then do this (and it runs my broadband and network so if we lose power that still works - the phone exchange also has back up power)
With synology there is a photo app - probably not up to scratch for pros, but means I can browse the whole library on my phone - and also just back up from phone straight to NAS and skip paying for icloud.
However I do have a cloud backup - as I use dropbox anyway for job sharing, and pay for way more TB than I need for that, I set the synology to sync up to dropbox - which it does automatically.
Love your videos Omar. Long time watcher since the beginning, and have loved to watch your journey. Thanks for this video. I'm sort of wondering why to do all this when cloud storage is so easy and so affordable (comparatively). I remember 1-2-3 from back in the day before cloud storage. I had jaz drives in my safety deposit box. With the cloud, do we still need 1-2-3, or can it be 1-2. I guess I'd like to hear the argument for not keeping everything that you're not currently working on in the cloud. I don't see Google going bankrupt and deleting everyone's accounts. I guess that has happened before with some cloud storage sites of the past, but they always give you ample time to move them to another service.
Great video, thank you! But just one question: why don't you trust the SSDs? I thought they were more durable and reliable. Thank you!
That's a beautiful book you made! But even books can collect up. I have draws and draws of negatives and little postcard photos and albums that I will possibly never look at again... But that book is precious.
End game is good though, baby AgI can scrape them all in one go :P
I wish you the absolute best! I'm just shocked, because out of the countless drives I've owned over the last 25 years, the only drives i've ever had fail were (whispers) C-Gayts 🤐
Pro Tip for Iphone Users:
Create a short cut that takes Photos as Input and saves them to a Folder in ICloud called "Phone Dump" an then deletes them of your phone. With that you can clear out your phones local storage easily and every once a while open the Dump Folder and move the Photos to one or two external Hard drives.
This is a great/useful video. Thanks for creating it. I love how you went through the different stages of storage. I have a Synology NAS at home and everything is also backed up online to Amazon Glacier.
Would you consider doing a similar video about monitor and maybe printer color calibration? Or getting colors right for printing?
Does the Synology device manage that Glacier backup for you? (TBH I've had so many physical devices fail over the last 30 years, S3/Glacier is the only thing I'd choose to never lose my data).
@@just_a_quick_ride yes it does. Mine is set up so every night at midnight it will look for changes on specific folders on my NAS. If there are new files, they're added to the backup. If I delete files, they will be removed from the Glacier backup.
@@bicishoots Ah, nice. Does it have the option to keep the Glacier version even if it's deleted locally?
@@just_a_quick_ride I don't recall. I set it up well over a year ago. I think there were options are selected through the Glacier package settings on the Synology NAS side, so that's where you might want to look
Those cobalt profiles look really nice. Are you using just the Fuji film pack?
I met a professional photographer who has been shooting since the 70s. Millions of digital photos and negative scans. He had 7 backups of his work on high end drives in fireproof safes in separate locations around the world. I dont know his workflow or how he added new data but it made me feel bad about backing all my stuff up to an external and just hoping it would last forever. I still havent backed anything up though but the NAS server seems cool
I have many many external Hard drives. I used to be very unorganized with my photos in the early 2000's. I had a 2.3mp Fujifilm MX-2900.
But around 2006 my method changed. When I transfered a full SD card I looked at the date the first photo was taken then the date the last photo was taken. I'd rename the folder with the first and last date. Plus I also mark the hard drive with the year or years used. It's made life alot easier to find photos. Even though it's still time consuming if I can't remember the year or month I took a certain photo or video
Do you put a clause in your contracts that the client is responsible for storing the images once they're delivered?
Yessir. I even mention the 3,2,1.
When Omar replies to me, I feel like a celebrity 😂
I know a videographer that charges if you want your clips stored longer than three months. Which i agree with. Why do i as a shooter want to store other peoples stuff at a cost for no return. I challenge you, tell me what percentage of your clients do you go back after the job and review or sell extra work? Are you recouping your investment.
I appreciate that your first tip was printing files.
It's worth carefully considering which RAID/Hybrid-RAID system to use for disc format. I once had a NAS fail (the device itself, not a drive!) and had a difficult time trying to retrieve files from the discs.
I have all my photos on an external SSD drive. I run Carbon Copy Cloner that backup every 15 min (in any changes) to an identical SSD. Both is just living next to the Mac. Then CCC is also backing up to two spinning HDD´s where one of them is always locked in at work. I bring the other one about once a week. Both the spinning drives is NEVER at home at the same time, so I always have an external backup. I also export all my edits every month to iCloud, so If all drives should explode (or something, at least I have the memories). I’m obviously just a hobby photographer, so I don’t feel I need a NAS (yet anyways), but I learned the hard way that backup is necessary (almost lost it all, but managed to save it).
When using devices, expect that one device might fail. In case of an 8 disk NAS, expect that it might fail completely and everything that is connect to power in your house might also fail at the same time (maybe lighting strike). Offline media (HDs, CDs, tapes) are safer in this regard. Also expect that you might drop anything that you need to move (like dropping an 3.5" hard disk while connecting it).
iCloud and others are more of sync service as opposed to a back up. Plus you can’t back them up locally because the media saved is optimised and not full quality. Also, if you got locked out or forgot your cloud password then you’ve lost all your photos. This happens to my sister and she lost 3 years of photos of her kids and she was heartbroken. I think the best thing is to have large internal so you can store all your files internally and then back up to a hard drive onsite and then another at your parents or a friends .
SSD attached to my Mac for the primary file storage. That’s backed up to a NAS in the garage, and that’s backed up to another NAS at a friend’s house. All my exported edits are uploaded in jpeg to Apple Photos which is backed up to iCloud. Having lost heaps of images in the past, I’m more careful/anxious now 😂
Omar....you need to do a more in depth photobook printing video. What services are best, how to overcome the size mismatch (cameras shoot 4:3, books are weird formats like 12x12). I find this very annoying as u work on composition that have to crop. Then theres what finish to use and of lightrooms export settings effect those.
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I agree that the most cherished photos should be printed. Store them in acid-free boxes/binders so future generations can see them. Who knows what future digital storage will come so this is a foolproof option.
I switched to NAS about 6 months ago, best thing I ever did.
Synology is always a good choice for storage but the major downside is power consumption to keep the drives online/spinning - especially for us Europeans where the electricity bills shot by 200% in some countries .
Books are definitely the most interesting and accessible way to view images. They are however, time consuming to curate in a compelling manner. Cloud storage is simply someone else's hard drive. An emergency backstop but open to commercial opportunism.
I'm using AWS S3 storage as my second copy (worst case hits) solution and use the 'Glacier Deep Archive' storage class and store currently 500GB of photos there which costs me about 1.5 $NZ a month (roughly 1 $US). There are a few gotchas with this storage class - e.g. it might take a few hours to retrieve files due to the way they are stored in AWS so it pays to read up on it. I store monthly batches as zip files which makes the handling and retrival easier as well. It's certainly not the easiest solution to setup but safe and cheap once done.
Wish my internet speed was fast enough to upload everything to the cloud and not data capped.
@@Battlem0nk You can use AWS Snowball to do an offline upload. They ship you a hard drive of whatever size you need and upload it for you. All encrypted of course. Plus its expensive :) but cheaper in the long term.
Great video as usual. How do you like you Zorki 4? I just bought a Kiev 4A and I love it.
I bought an 8TB backup drive last year and I still haven't taken it out of the box. A lot of good it's doing me. I'm a hobbyist at the moment but if I ever start working for the public I'll need to really start backing my pictures up. I like the server idea with the movies. They're putting fiber in my area so hopefully I'll have internet some time this year. I would like to record movies to watch again later.
I have 60 years of photos. I have 6 SSD in safety deposit box at my credit union. I worried about the condition of my external hard drives so am just setting up my raid system as we speak. Two 4 tb drives mirrored of each other. After upgrading my Apple operating systems to latest version and upgrading capture 2023, I noticed some files were not showing in my catalog. My Apple Computer (40 BG ram) has been running for about 20 hours, copying 134,000 photos. I might buy one additional drive to copy disk in raid and replace ssd in lock box with that. By way in copying existing external drive the raid found 30,000 files I thought I had deleted. Good video and thanks for sharing.
Thank you for giving me anxiety on a Sunday afternoon, LOL! No, But I think it's a critical topic and thanks for walking through with various solutions; I'm at a point where I have a) Cloud backups for all personal and b) yearly HDDs for client work, but I will look into adding a NAS, thanks
I have a NAS and a DAS backing up daily plus cloud storage. I feel pretty safe.
Also have back-up laptops and clone your hard drives at first purchase of your Mac or pc/laptop. The back-up computers even it's old, will still help you IF/when you replace or fix the old pc/Mac. I learned the hard way that one pc or laptop will eventually break or be damaged, then what? Physically have 3 copies of your drives (I know, it's a pain) but it will help you in the long run.
And another thing: the cloud is NOT your hard drive. It's someone else's. "try" not to put private docs/photos/videos on there.
thank you for sharing your experience with saving and storing photos. With your 8 bay NAS, what raid are you using for that one? Is Raid 1 enough for most cases?
Hallo Omar,
I'm following your Chanel since I've bought a XT4 for 2 years. Since than I'm watching with all of attention and I must say that I've learned a lot, especially like your relaxed way of doing equipment reviews.
Back to the theme of this video. 3 year ago I've done exactly what you as "end game" said. I have QNAP with 4 drives in my home in Germany und the same device in believing or not in Serbia, where my parents live. And the back up is automatically at the middle of the night. So the only thing that could happened is that some corrupted file being mirrored (copied) or some bad virus? Or Armageddon? 🙄
Till that, you will stay as the best Fiji and Foto teacher.
Greeting from Germany/Serbia
re apple/google cloud, you get a certain amount of free storage which is plenty for contacts etc. you can keep photos elsewhere. i have an iphone but i use google photos for cloud backup because i like the interface
1. If Apple staff ever tell you your data is unrecoverable it is rubbish. Usually they blame water damage (even when it is a loose cable etc.) and go for the 'board replacement' which includes the SSD. You can get forensic Hard drive recovery for spinning disk data, for ssds you are buggered if the drive has gone. But it rarely goes.
2. You can get a NAS easily enough, have it work in RAID10 (striped and mirrored) with 4 HDDs minimum (6-8 would be ideal). Have a backup plan that auto-backs up everything on your system to the NAS, then have an offsite NAS backup for monthly backups. For ultimate data security you would just mirror all of them, but then it would be a bit slow. Do NOT use RAID 5.
3. Be careful of free (and some paid) cloud storage, some providers own anything you store with them, for example a cattle stud in QLD (Australia) had their personal cattle photos that were used internally only used to advertise a ranch in the USA, simply because of the distance between properties they had used the cloud storage as a method to share the photos between properties.
The end game for me, at some point, is tape archiving. That is write and forget for 10 years no data corruption. Yes to access files on tape does take like two days turn around IF you kept good record of a file structure, but unlike HDD you do not have to worry about drive failure as much.
git annex + 23TB + 100TB and at some point, storj/wasabi when I can get it to work properly. git annex keeps checksums, so I would *know* if anything gets damaged, and I can restore it from another copy. I do not have dedicated NAS, I usually make the NAS myself from a PC :).
I do like your work setup and the data backup policy.
SSD drive! solid state drive drive!
I set up a NAS a few years ago, however it sits in my house where also the SD cards with origial photos are kept: should happen something to the house, the photos would go lost anyways (even if probably that would not be my main concern...). Not only it is somehow expensive, but to the initial cost you must add maintenance: after a while you shold probably have to replace some drives (I had to replace three almost together). Maybe 100$ per year to Google to save 2Tb would have been a better option. Even 250$/Y for 5T is not so expensive, considering that their backup are bomb-proof and you have the convenience to access all your photos (and videos, docs, whatever...) from any computer anywhere.
What maintenance? I plugged in my 8-bay years ago, added data...then more data...same drives. Still have 2 bays empty.
@@ogonzilla You've been luckier than me, as I wrote I had to replace three (out of five) drives. 😊
Some people don't even know the difference between storage and backup. Storage is NOT backup.
Storage: data storage container; solves the problem of access, and continuous data read, write and save; usually designed for hardware failure as a security design goal (ex. RAID 6)
Backup: built on top of independend storage; solves the problem of preservation, and time version freezing and retrospective; solves data security problems caused by various factors including software and hardware failures
This means if you want to use NAS that you need at least TWO NAS: one for storage, one for backup
In the storage NAS you can use faster disks for better work experience, like SSDs. In the backup NAS you should use big, reliable (high MTBF) disks, like enterprise HDDs designed for server usage.
A very good open source backup software, for free: Bacula
The word of warning about you’re Nas backup. Unfortunately my computer crashed and died and when I bought a new computer, the Nas wouldn’t show up at all and the company no longer made them, so they didn’t keep up software updates!
We’re not talking about a small company, but the company you bought yours at-G. So if I hadn’t of had another back up somewhere else on a newer drive, I would’ve lost everything or had to pay a huge fee to get my images back.
THIS was a really great video, Omar.
Currently using a 512GB SSD in my desktop as working drive, and a 4TB secondary drive for photos and video, and 4 external USB drives for backup. (all in my house 😬 )
"Fun" fact, we had a machine at my work, using Windows 95, the machine was installed in 1998.
That seagate HDD were in use every day from 1998 to 2021, when the inevitable happened, mechanical failure inside the disk, the reader arm probably touched the surfaces.
Two weeks of hard work to reinstall an old other drive, pretty hard to modify the computer to accept CD-rom as I could not find win 95 install on floppies, not so sweet memories !
Take your drives to someone who does recovery from hdd. I am sure you still have plenty of data there.
@@ArsenijeRadenovic We actually tried, but the discs inside the drive were mechanically scored, and completely full of dust, so they were not able to recover any data at all.
Now the machine is completely rebuilt, with new CNC system.
@@daniel635biturbo too bad about the lost data :(
Great video, lot's of good information. What are your thoughts on long term storage issues (we all get older! :)) such as bitrot on old backups and contigencies in case of personal demise?
Thank you for all the wonderful advice and insights; I currently have everything on my computer that I am working on in the cloud and on a physical hard drive so that essentially I could lose the computer totally and still be okay - and theoretically the in house hard drives too - but your suggestions re a NAS are where I now realize I need to be planning to go.
If the five bay NAS is $699.00 without drives - my guess is that with five 25 Terabyte platter drives it's probably over $1,000.00 and, if we opted for SSDs even more. Would that be an accurate estimate?
Hey Omar great video. What do you think, is a good NAS system a solution for heavy raw video file editing. I mean real time editing. I Have got upcoming project and I need to store files and need to edit them in real time as well.
Well, I have (most of) my negatives neatly sortedv and marked with handwritten notes if an upright folder and the diapositives sitting in two old shoe boxes. So, I got that going for me, I think.