From this Alaska linked tragedy, I wonder if you could bring an amazing Alaska aviation story, namly that of Reeve Aleutian Airways Flight 8? That Aircrew fought like Lions and miraculously saved the day through their perseverance!
You managed to make this most interesting story sound boring. Usually your videos are better. Everybody has their bad days. My suggestion: Next time don't assume nobody knows what a horizontal stabilizer is and spend less time catering to those who don't. Even those who don't can enjoy the video without knowing all the technical details. Instead spend more time focusing on the pilots struggle to keep the plane in the air. These two flew that plane all the way down and never gave up. Focus more on the struggle. The pilots and what the passengers. This is just my opinion, don't take it personally.
Saying "Here we go" while looking at the face of death is such a badass statement. He never stopped fighting until the very end. I tip my hat for this flight crew.
We are all saying "Here we go" without realizing it, as this Titanic called Earth is nearing its unreversible end after we have long reached the tipping point of no return, no matter what we do, even if we totally stopped everything right now! We are all in this together towards the end! May we reunite on the other side!
When I saw this segment on national geographic and how the pilots managed to fly the plane upside inverted I was absolutely blown away. Such skill they had in trying to keep the plane going for however how long they could by any means necessary was mind blowing. R.I.P to the brave pilots and to the passengers on board.
@exit-bag although in theory, the rear mounted engines would have heightened the chances of a successful water landing (although still very slim) You seem to disregard the fact though, that a 'water landing' right side up still would have been at an angle of at least a 70% nose down pitch. Plane would have been obliterated on impact nonetheless, since the reason for this crash was that the horizontal stabiliser was in a beyond max position down in the first place. If it had not, this would not have been an incident.
This one is so hard. I've watched this flight breakdown a few times on different channels.. this one was SO preventable and so tragic. 😢 Those pilots worked so hard and fought right to the end. Respect and may they rest in peace.
Nah , they went outside of procedures , reset tripped breakers multiple times and caused the failure . The radio call they made in the final dive was them admitting defeat . High price in human lives to not leave a aircraft in level flight . The CVR and FDR data confirm this .
@@duncandmcgrath6290Hmmmm I'm curious of your source. Not disputing you, just wanna know. As I have read the NTSB report which sited to Jackscrew weakness due to lack of adequate servicing as one of the Major cause of this accident.
@@duncandmcgrath6290 Alaska airlines went outside of operating procedure first by ignoring manufacturer maintenance guidelines on jack screw lubrication intervals. They also did not correctly measure the jack nut thread clearance with the proper tools. The captains were given an aircraft that should not have been flying as jack screw had been severely compromised from the beginning.
@@liamschertler9806, not to mention they had numerous warnings by people like John Liotine that stated some airline managers tried to ignore any safety concerns. It's slightly similar to how Boeing cut costs, avoided certification, and tried to downplay safety concerns from their staff to supervisors regarding the new MCAS system before the 2018 tragedies for the Max fleet. The FAA had to take full control/oversight of airline maintenance after the crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261. These pilots did everything they could to salvage and prevent the loss of human life while fighting against a now impossible downward spiral, all due to the Airlines' inability to upkeep/upgrade the maintenance of their fleet when it was necessary. RIP to these heroic pilots and the passengers of Flight 261
I saw an interview with one of the investigators. She was still distraught over it and crying. Saying that the grease was about equal to the cost of a cup of coffee.
Don't know how you do it. I'm a heavy equipment mechanic and I wouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking I forgot to tighten something on a plane during maintenance.
Really shocked that Alaskan Airlines was able to survive as a company after this one. I've watched a lot of these aviation disaster videos, and I don't think I've seen another one (based in the US at least) where company incompetence are 100% to blame for the accident.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Normally it’s a freak error combined with a pilot who gets stressed and makes unwise decisions….but the flight crew here did everything the right way it seems. They had no chance
I remember in A&P school my instructors told us about this specific crash as a warning. Not necessarily on why you have to be diligent in your work. Rather, there will come a time where you’ll be pressured to cut corners. (It’s happened to me personally when I became a mechanic) The correct response to being pressured like that is just just say “I’m not doin it if I don’t get the time to make sure it’s right”
the director of maintenance, left Alaska and went to work for Air Canada at YVR, the workers put the photo of that plane as screen saver on every computer in the hsngar.
The most galling thing about this one is that the Alaska Airlines execs weren't hauled over the coals and made an example of. Their attitude towards maintenance was so bad it was basically murderous.
@@samsngdevice5103 Unfortunately for your dickhead comment the maintenance records show it was corporate greed that skipped and skimped on regular maintenance schedules.
This one was extremely preventable and frustrating, dispatch trying to pressure them, maintenance brushing them off, they were in so much danger and the company had a blasé attitude, it just hurts. God they were all brave in the end, I’m not sure I could face the same situation with that much bravery and grace.
Being military veterans almost certainly had something to do with the way they handled the end; no doubt this wasn’t either of their first brush with death. Death just won this time.
The crew was extremely professional. They did everything right. They were just doomed. This is one of the most infuriating plane crashes in my lifetime. This one in particular haunts my mind
I was on the stand-by list for this flight. On a whim, we decided to stay in Mexico an extra two days. Those pilots are hero's, never stopped aviating, never stopped flying the airplane with tremendous skill and bravery.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm im just saying. that was their only option. they had zero vertical control, so that was a hopeless last resort... to maybe keep the plane up.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm It's not like they had a choice. They were already in a near-vertical dive, attempting to fly right side up would've resulted in the same outcome.
Two amazing heroic gentlemen who repeatedly thought about other people's lives over their own. May they rest in peace and enjoy heaven. Condolences to their families and the rest who perished on this flight. Gone but never forgotten...
@EstradaDuran-sg6co lol you'd make a fine journalist. That's not what they said! They said they don't find themselves rooting for pilots who made idiot choices despite knowing they'll fail, as they do with instances like the one at hand
I'm an aircraft mechanic. Started my career with US Air Force and now have my A&P. I HATED doing the pitch trim lubes on C-5s when I was young. My supervisor saw through that and showed me the case study of this crash. I've never taken a single wash and lube job for granted since then! New subscriber. Glad I found this channel. Best Aviation-related channel in YT. I thougt I paid for Premium for a second there lol.
I knew a Seattle couple who perished on this flight while returning home from their honeymoon in Puerto Vallarta. I was so spooked by this, I have yet to fly Alaska Airlines again to this day and their oversights still anger me. I can only imagine what they went through during the last few moments of their lives, so young with so much ahead for them. Incredible and detailed report, many thanks.
My friend and her family were supposed to be on this flight. We were 12. Then she ended up marrying years later someone who's girlfriend at the time was on the plane.
If I can have 10% of the courage, stoicism, and heart of both Thompson and tanski in my life I'll be very content. I've known about this case since the incredible "air crash investigation" show back in the early 2000s. It's still emotional to watch, the pilots should be remembered as heroes they done ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING possible. God bless all the passengers and crew ❤️
@@comvnche Thanks for your reply. Do you mean the 737 Max? It wasn’t just that the pilots could turn it off-they couldn’t. In fact, they weren’t told that the system existed because of the requirement for training. After the first crash, they were warned about it and the pilots in the 2nd crash did exactly as they were told. The system overpowered them anyway. So no, there was no way to shut it off. That’s why the plane was grounded worldwide. In both cases the incompetence arrogance and irresponsibility killed people and tortured them.
That "Here we go" hit hard. I know the capt had no regrets and did all he knew and all he can to save the plane. It also hurted me to think that no matter how hard they tried, even if they were the best of the best, they wont even survive it due to the negligence of the company. RIP heroes
Accidents like this always get to me the most, when there is not any human failure on the pilots side involved, but rather full blown technical issues not even the most experienced pilots with the most spotless records have any control over. Also, the airline simply shaking off their serious situation irritated me lots; how negligent can one get? Just a little bit less greed would have kept all the souls onboard safe. On another note, the quality of your videos has improved so much! More detailed graphics, animations and explanations. I am loving this! :)
4:44 slight correction but just a technicality. On the MD80, the tail portion that controls pitch is divided into 3 parts. The stabilizer, the elevator, and the elevator tabs which are the smaller trim tab looking control surfaces on the trailing edge of the elevator. Pulling the yoke back and forward actually moves the elevator tabs and not the elevator itself. When you pull back on the yoke the elevator tabs deflect downwards, which then Flys the elevator upward and thus pitches the plane nose upwards. Pushing forward on the yoke moves the elevator tabs upward, which Flys the elevator downwards and thus pitching the aircraft down. Also pushing forward and only forward on the yoke far enough is the only time hydraulic assistance moves the elevator to aid in high pitch attitude recovery Just thought I'd share a little bit of knowledge in case anyone is interested.
@@peterdieleman303 do you mean the hydraulic elevator boost/assist? (I forget exactly what it's called). If that's what you mean then no it wouldn't have helped because that only works when you're trying to lower the nose. In this case they were trying to raise the noise, until they went inverted that is.
@@traffictraffic no i mean they were moving the elevator tabs when pulling on the yoke, which was the only form of pitch control left. The elevator itself was completely stuck.
@@peterdieleman303 no I don't remember that being the case. It was only the stabilizer that was jammed, the elevators and the elevator tabs were still moving but didn't have enough authority to overcome the out of limits nose down position of the stabilizer.
The pilots were badass. They literally did everything they could have with the knowledge they had. The level of calmness in the ATC recordings is amazing.
This is the one that keeps me up at night - the preventable nature of it, the horrific experience the passengers went through before they died, people on the ground trying to help and that pilots on other flights saw the disaster unfold. You know you covered that MH370 flight but compared to this disaster the people on MH370 were incredibly fortunate.
@@mike04574 This very channel has a great video released like a week ago talking about MH370 and how newer evidence suggests the pilot did it deliberately. You can dismiss it as "speculation" because we will never have all of the answers, but it's about as educated of a guess one could make based on more recent evidence.
I don’t know about them being “incredibly fortunate”. Yes, it’s good they potentially didn’t know what was happening to them, but neither flight ever saw their loved ones again.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm How old are you, 12? Get off mommy's laptop and go ride your bike, the fresh air will do you good - and might even boost much-needed brain cell production. FFS.
I remember seeing a documentary on Nat Geo about this crash. Watching the reenaction where the captain says "here we go" right before hitting the water terrified me to my core. RIP to all on board, the pilots truly did their best.
this case and JAL 123 just haunt me. the absolute, near superhuman bravery and determination and grit in the face of utterly insurmountable odds... all in vain.
I hate this story and Alaska Airlines for allowing it to take place. But I love that their failures and neglect will NEVER be forgotten thanks to channels like yours. And the pilots absolute professionalism and attempt to keep flying the airplane until the bitter end. Reality is a hell of a drug
Those pilots were truly courageous. I’m from Portland OR and this was such a big deal. I’ve watched so many breakdowns of this crash and I’m always in awe of their sheer determination to try and save this plane. It was impossible but they never gave up. May God bless and keep them and all passengers.
This is so heartbreaking... so many people died a preventable death... and in the end, the pilots knew; there was no saving this aircraft. The reactions of the surrounding pilots and ATC are so sad as well- they couldn't believe their eyes. You can hear the shakiness in their voices. It must have been harrowing for everyone witnessing and onboard the crash. Rest in peace to everyone on board. 🕊💔
@@snooz221He laughs, Because his Wife and Her boyfriend was on that Plane.she left this guy and were Trying to Run away from this guy, because this jerk Laughs at somebody's Pain.... ..🥲🥲🥲
It's amazing to think that in order to discover the cause of the crash, they had to pull the jet wreckage out of the ocean and analyze each piece. Painstaking work, but critically important. I only wish the execs of the airline who were responsible for this were able to be prosecuted.
Can't believe the fact that the FO and captain were so collected throughout the ordeal. They were upside-down, everything was inverted for them and they were still able to cooperate and try to save the plane. With the way that they were faced with the ocean so dauntingly close, and it was speeding closer, they knew it was over. And yet the captain just said "Ah, here we go" like it was just another adventure. Rip to those brave people
They were so close, it’s sad they never knew what the problem was. They were exactly the kind of pilots you want behind the wheel. Except for the part where they kept experimenting. No way they could of ever guess what was causing the problem
This was an unforgettable airplane crash for me living in Los Angeles. The complete cockpit voice recordings are chilling. Don't quote me verbatim but either the co-pilot or the pilot said to the other "we're inverted". The response was "at least we're flying".
This one hits so close to home…literally. I grew up right outside where it crashed. Grandpa told me he watched the rescue/cleanup efforts. So tragic, so frustratingly preventable. Those pilots have gone down in history for their bravery.
Those pilots were heroes, in my opinion. They did everything they could to save that plane! They stayed cool under unimaginable circumstances. May they all RIP!
Disneyland has a new ride called the 261, its a recreation of a planes interior and you sit strapped in, they make noises like jet engines, and it turns upside down, and points straight down. Crazy ride scared me. Definitely best ride yet
Although I've heard this story many times before it always gives me chills and brings a tear to my eye when the pilot says I think we got it and the co-pilot says no we don't and then you hear the other airplane say that they can see them in their inverted state absolutely horrifying
…I remember this for I was based in SEA with United. My crew and I were on a United Shuttle 3 day trip on our last leg on the last day from SFO-SEA. We got in SeaTac around 3:15 PM, deplaned, debriefed with our Pilots for we were doing the same 3 day trip again 4 days later. After we said our goodbyes I had to run to the Alaska terminal to catch a Horizon Air flight at 4:55 PM to Medford, OR for I lived part time in Ashland. I get checked in around 4:00 and was waiting for a confirmed seat as the agent gave me my boarding pass, I could never forget her facial expression as she hugged me while she was informing me of what was just relayed to her. We were both in shock but she had to close the plane so we can depart to MFR. I acknowledged the pilots and the Flight Attendant. They were so professional and we didn’t discuss it but after the inflight service she sat beside me for a few minutes and we held hands for the passengers still was not in the know. It was the a long sad hour on my way back home. Looking back to this was poignant but it infuriates me why The Flight Attendants never given any importance by sharing their names but just a designated number. I hope this gets some attention for we are part of the crew and I believe a part of the whole story.
This story hits home for me. We once had dinner with our neighbors when I was a kid and my parents asked "Do you have any kids?" What followed was a long silence. Yes they did have kids and lost both of them within one year. One from an ATV accident, and later the other from this flight after coming home from a mission trip in Mexico. I didn't think much of it until I learned why the plane went down. I cannot comprehend what feelings they must live with for the rest of their lives. People should've served jail time for this accident for involuntary manslaughter.
I've seen quite a few different videos on this accident, and if anyone ever says, or you yourself are concerned about repeating things covered by other channels, I don't think you should be. Every big accident investigation channel offers their unique insight and style, and yours is certainly magnificent.
Mad respect to to the captain and FO. They were so cooperative and brave till the very end. "Here we go" is such a badass statement. Shame on the airline and maintenance. RIP to all souls on board :(
Mentour Pilot, Aircraft Accident Investigation and a few others do a really good job also. Mentour Pilot's channel goes into all of the details without making it boring.
There were a ton of Alaska employees on the flight. My boss and his wife (he was a restaurant owner, she a flight attendant) died with their two kids. I'll never forget hearing about this.
Oh God I can't even begin to imagine how scared and dumbfounded those poor kids must have been before final impact 😞😞 It's horrifying for everyone but definitely worse for children. I hope they are resting easy.
My best friend growing up and her family were supposed to be on that flight. She years later ended up marrying a pilot whose girlfriend at the time had been on the flight and died.
For some years I was afraid of flying, and this was one of the incidents that made me feel that way. Ironically because my years of avoiding flying continued beyond 9/11, people assumed that was the reason, but to me at the time it seemed much more plausible that corner-cutting in the maintenance of airplanes would cause a crash rather than another brazen hijacking. Eventually I got over my fear but this is still a chilling story.
Great video! Such a sad story. I flew that exact route not long before the crash. Living in Seattle at the time, we have family that worked for Alaska when this happened. There were a lot of employee's on that flight. Truley a sad and totaly avoidable crash. The pilots did an amazing job in a situation that was doomed.
This made such an impact on me as a kid and with my dad being an MD80 pilot for Alaska. He knew the whole crew and flew that exact plane a month before.
This flight is up there with my top two worst prolonged airplane deaths of all time... The other being Japan Airways 🇯🇵🗾. My heart goes out too all these people on these two flights, awful way to go 😭☹️
The amount of quality, consistency and edutainment in these videos is remarkable! One of the best aviation channels on UA-cam by far. Love the new intro too!
The pure heroic courage of these two pilots is astounding, and yet the lack of maintenance by Alaska Airlines is absolutely horrifying. They fought til the end to save their plane and preserve the lives of their passengers. The actions of Flight 261 leave a legacy all too similar to the heroic feats of Flight 93 on September 11th, 2001, and others across the world. May they all rest in peace.
watching this one is so frustrating. how could those ones on the land underestimated the emergency situation easily when they were able to save the plane long way before. may all the people rest in peace, they were all brave souls.
I've seen nearly every single mini documentary on this flight. Every time I watch a new one, I still have hope that the pilots can save this aircraft 😔
The Alaska Airlines board, and the Alaska Airlines maintenance engineer on the ground has the blood of 88 people on their hands. Great effort by the pilots
This was so devastating to me. These pilots were absolute heroes. Something about the “here we go” really broke my heart. RIP to all the souls lost to corporate greed.
I was working at the call center for a major airline when this happened. I walked by the break room and saw everyone standing around the TV...same thing happened when the Concorde crashed. We sent a bunch of snacks and flowers to the crew working in the terminal for Alaska, and they sent back a sweet thank you note. Airline accidents are awful, but this one is particularly chilling. They fought valiantly but their plane was too damaged--which never should have happened. This is one of those stories that every time I hear it, I wish it comes out differently.
I was a teenager living in the suburbs of Seattle when this crash happened. I remember to horror of it all. It felt like everyone knew someone connected to that flight. Thank you for telling their story.
You're doing such and important job to show what corporate greed can do, and how it can affect security and quality control down the line. Keep up the amazing work!
I love the new GDA intro, the quality of your videos have skyrocketed lately. I also love how you're not spoiling the ending of the story by telling the viewers whether the airplane has crashed or not. Don't stop uploading!
Was cheering them on until the end, such a heartbreaking result thanks to pitiful negligence. Rest in Peace to everyone on board, especially the brave pilots who tried all they could❤
This crash was terrifying. I am in the comfort of my bed watching while the people who it actually happened to were scared to death. At least they no longer have to fear death anymore.
As you mentioned at the end of the video, there was at least one hull loss of a 737 due to a similar failure. As for this crash, I was really rooting for the pilots. They did everything possible to try to save their plane and they were so close to success that it makes this crash so much more tragic.
the way that air traffic control and maintenance handled this situation is absolutely disgusting. i hope they are ashamed of themselves and bare the weight of all of these casualties for the rest of their lives. May all passengers, flight crew and pilots rest in peace.
After watching a few of these just for the sake to learn of these events I finally understand so much about flight simulators I’ve tried playing in the past. Thanks. 🙏. Solid content.
Yet another incident that shows that real heroes are the ones closer to us than we think. Maybe our neighbors, bus drivers, passersby, teachers etc.. May God bless the souls of all those on board. Rest in peace 😥
I love your videos so much. I discovered your channel this summer, and ever since I have been hooked! Your videos have inspired me to take up flying, and I honestly love it more than anything else. Thanks so much for your content man, keep it up!
This one makes me so sad, still. Not only did they never give up, they were equally concerned about flying over populated areas should the worst case happen.
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From this Alaska linked tragedy, I wonder if you could bring an amazing Alaska aviation story, namly that of Reeve Aleutian Airways Flight 8? That Aircrew fought like Lions and miraculously saved the day through their perseverance!
You managed to make this most interesting story sound boring. Usually your videos are better. Everybody has their bad days.
My suggestion: Next time don't assume nobody knows what a horizontal stabilizer is and spend less time catering to those who don't. Even those who don't can enjoy the video without knowing all the technical details. Instead spend more time focusing on the pilots struggle to keep the plane in the air. These two flew that plane all the way down and never gave up. Focus more on the struggle. The pilots and what the passengers. This is just my opinion, don't take it personally.
Saying "Here we go" while looking at the face of death is such a badass statement. He never stopped fighting until the very end. I tip my hat for this flight crew.
I imagine the grim reaper on the other side just raising an eyebrow and nodding approval
it's only second to "This is it baby!" by the captain of Pacific Southwest 182
being placed in the situation, One always hopes that you’ll be able to say something this bad ass, and it be recorded.
We are all saying "Here we go" without realizing it, as this Titanic called Earth is nearing its unreversible end after we have long reached the tipping point of no return, no matter what we do, even if we totally stopped everything right now! We are all in this together towards the end!
May we reunite on the other side!
@m1rrorshades there is no other side
The way the pilots were actually able to fly inverted, even if only for a few moments, was absolutely remarkable.
clearly they need to add a another set of fuel taps at the top to enable the plane to fly inverted.
@@jort93z I also believe that potentially could’ve changed the entire outcome
When I saw this segment on national geographic and how the pilots managed to fly the plane upside inverted I was absolutely blown away. Such skill they had in trying to keep the plane going for however how long they could by any means necessary was mind blowing. R.I.P to the brave pilots and to the passengers on board.
They weren't flying inverted, the aircraft ended up inverted. The pilots had little to no say in what the aircraft was doing at that point.
@exit-bag although in theory, the rear mounted engines would have heightened the chances of a successful water landing (although still very slim)
You seem to disregard the fact though, that a 'water landing' right side up still would have been at an angle of at least a 70% nose down pitch.
Plane would have been obliterated on impact nonetheless, since the reason for this crash was that the horizontal stabiliser was in a beyond max position down in the first place. If it had not, this would not have been an incident.
This one is so hard. I've watched this flight breakdown a few times on different channels.. this one was SO preventable and so tragic. 😢 Those pilots worked so hard and fought right to the end. Respect and may they rest in peace.
Nah , they went outside of procedures , reset tripped breakers multiple times and caused the failure .
The radio call they made in the final dive was them admitting defeat .
High price in human lives to not leave a aircraft in level flight .
The CVR and FDR data confirm this .
@@duncandmcgrath6290Hmmmm I'm curious of your source. Not disputing you, just wanna know. As I have read the NTSB report which sited to Jackscrew weakness due to lack of adequate servicing as one of the Major cause of this accident.
@@duncandmcgrath6290 Alaska airlines went outside of operating procedure first by ignoring manufacturer maintenance guidelines on jack screw lubrication intervals. They also did not correctly measure the jack nut thread clearance with the proper tools. The captains were given an aircraft that should not have been flying as jack screw had been severely compromised from the beginning.
@@liamschertler9806, not to mention they had numerous warnings by people like John Liotine that stated some airline managers tried to ignore any safety concerns. It's slightly similar to how Boeing cut costs, avoided certification, and tried to downplay safety concerns from their staff to supervisors regarding the new MCAS system before the 2018 tragedies for the Max fleet. The FAA had to take full control/oversight of airline maintenance after the crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261.
These pilots did everything they could to salvage and prevent the loss of human life while fighting against a now impossible downward spiral, all due to the Airlines' inability to upkeep/upgrade the maintenance of their fleet when it was necessary.
RIP to these heroic pilots and the passengers of Flight 261
@@duncandmcgrath6290and they were awarded a medal for that?
You must be from the airlines to have been on the other side of
I saw an interview with one of the investigators. She was still distraught over it and crying. Saying that the grease was about equal to the cost of a cup of coffee.
lol
Yea but the jack screw was hard to get to so Alaska played with peoples lives over that cup of coffee so they could keep flying and maximize profits
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Why the hell would I lie about that?
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As a mechanic, this and JAL 123 are burned into my memory about what could happen if I don't do my part.
Don't know how you do it. I'm a heavy equipment mechanic and I wouldn't be able to sleep at night thinking I forgot to tighten something on a plane during maintenance.
Yea. Ive heard about an airplane mechanic in my city that mixes snd matches screws n shit. One person said he's used duct tape.
@@specialkay4329 I could be wrong, but I think there actually is a special plane duct tape that is used and is supposed to be used.
also CA611
@@specialkay4329 duck tape and wood screws are the go to repair for some aircraft
Really shocked that Alaskan Airlines was able to survive as a company after this one. I've watched a lot of these aviation disaster videos, and I don't think I've seen another one (based in the US at least) where company incompetence are 100% to blame for the accident.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Normally it’s a freak error combined with a pilot who gets stressed and makes unwise decisions….but the flight crew here did everything the right way it seems. They had no chance
I’d argue they survived largely due to much more significant events right after this incident.
I remember in A&P school my instructors told us about this specific crash as a warning. Not necessarily on why you have to be diligent in your work. Rather, there will come a time where you’ll be pressured to cut corners. (It’s happened to me personally when I became a mechanic) The correct response to being pressured like that is just just say “I’m not doin it if I don’t get the time to make sure it’s right”
Been there.
What airline do you work for? I'll fly that airline!
please please ALWAYS ALWAYS be extremely thorough with your work 😥
the director of maintenance, left Alaska and went to work for Air Canada at YVR, the workers put the photo of that plane as screen saver on every computer in the hsngar.
The most galling thing about this one is that the Alaska Airlines execs weren't hauled over the coals and made an example of. Their attitude towards maintenance was so bad it was basically murderous.
Yeah, criminal negligence.
Or maybe the mechanics were crooked and lazy like most auto repair garage mechanics are.
@@samsngdevice5103Except we know it was from the top down in this accident.
@@samsngdevice5103 Unfortunately for your dickhead comment the maintenance records show it was corporate greed that skipped and skimped on regular maintenance schedules.
And looks like they're still at it...
This one was extremely preventable and frustrating, dispatch trying to pressure them, maintenance brushing them off, they were in so much danger and the company had a blasé attitude, it just hurts. God they were all brave in the end, I’m not sure I could face the same situation with that much bravery and grace.
Being military veterans almost certainly had something to do with the way they handled the end; no doubt this wasn’t either of their first brush with death. Death just won this time.
@@lawrencemanning
these pilots went out sad
The crew was extremely professional. They did everything right. They were just doomed. This is one of the most infuriating plane crashes in my lifetime. This one in particular haunts my mind
I was on the stand-by list for this flight. On a whim, we decided to stay in Mexico an extra two days. Those pilots are hero's, never stopped aviating, never stopped flying the airplane with tremendous skill and bravery.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm no they weren't, thats how physics work. when inverted, down is up... a true heroic maneuver on their behalf.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm im just saying. that was their only option. they had zero vertical control, so that was a hopeless last resort... to maybe keep the plane up.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm Clown
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm It's not like they had a choice. They were already in a near-vertical dive, attempting to fly right side up would've resulted in the same outcome.
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lmWho gives a F about your opinion you random internet troll?
Two amazing heroic gentlemen who repeatedly thought about other people's lives over their own. May they rest in peace and enjoy heaven. Condolences to their families and the rest who perished on this flight. Gone but never forgotten...
Every time I hear this story I find myself rooting for the pilots, like the outcome could be different. Sigh. Heros.
Tbh most of the time I do the same there are a couple cases where I don't as the pilots simply did something dumb or potentially dangerous
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you wanted these pilots to be deleted? 😳💀
@EstradaDuran-sg6co lol you'd make a fine journalist. That's not what they said! They said they don't find themselves rooting for pilots who made idiot choices despite knowing they'll fail, as they do with instances like the one at hand
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who hurt you?
@@EstradaDuran-sg6co journalists
ATT reply with "Ok" That's the ok with the most emotions I've heard
Yes.
Sure😢
I'm an aircraft mechanic. Started my career with US Air Force and now have my A&P. I HATED doing the pitch trim lubes on C-5s when I was young. My supervisor saw through that and showed me the case study of this crash. I've never taken a single wash and lube job for granted since then!
New subscriber. Glad I found this channel. Best Aviation-related channel in YT. I thougt I paid for Premium for a second there lol.
I knew a Seattle couple who perished on this flight while returning home from their honeymoon in Puerto Vallarta. I was so spooked by this, I have yet to fly Alaska Airlines again to this day and their oversights still anger me. I can only imagine what they went through during the last few moments of their lives, so young with so much ahead for them. Incredible and detailed report, many thanks.
I'm sorry. Thank you for sharing.
My friend and her family were supposed to be on this flight. We were 12. Then she ended up marrying years later someone who's girlfriend at the time was on the plane.
If I can have 10% of the courage, stoicism, and heart of both Thompson and tanski in my life I'll be very content. I've known about this case since the incredible "air crash investigation" show back in the early 2000s. It's still emotional to watch, the pilots should be remembered as heroes they done ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING possible. God bless all the passengers and crew ❤️
That show is still ongoing with 23 seasons now!
@@Salty_Whale you mean mayday: air crash investigation?
that 737 Max sidenote at 23:50 is pure gold
Agreed!!
Why though?
If I remember correctly the automatic pitch control could have been deactivated but the pilots were not instructed how.
@@comvnche Thanks for your reply. Do you mean the 737 Max? It wasn’t just that the pilots could turn it off-they couldn’t. In fact, they weren’t told that the system existed because of the requirement for training. After the first crash, they were warned about it and the pilots in the 2nd crash did exactly as they were told. The system overpowered them anyway.
So no, there was no way to shut it off. That’s why the plane was grounded worldwide.
In both cases the incompetence arrogance and irresponsibility killed people and tortured them.
@@michellejansen6165Thanks to Boeing.
It's eerily prophetic now with Jan. 6th Alaskan Airline's incident with the 737 Max.
That "Here we go" hit hard. I know the capt had no regrets and did all he knew and all he can to save the plane. It also hurted me to think that no matter how hard they tried, even if they were the best of the best, they wont even survive it due to the negligence of the company. RIP heroes
Accidents like this always get to me the most, when there is not any human failure on the pilots side involved, but rather full blown technical issues not even the most experienced pilots with the most spotless records have any control over. Also, the airline simply shaking off their serious situation irritated me lots; how negligent can one get? Just a little bit less greed would have kept all the souls onboard safe.
On another note, the quality of your videos has improved so much! More detailed graphics, animations and explanations. I am loving this! :)
Yes, this one always disturbed me the worst, just complete disregard for basic safety and maintenance. No way this should have occurred
4:44 slight correction but just a technicality. On the MD80, the tail portion that controls pitch is divided into 3 parts. The stabilizer, the elevator, and the elevator tabs which are the smaller trim tab looking control surfaces on the trailing edge of the elevator.
Pulling the yoke back and forward actually moves the elevator tabs and not the elevator itself. When you pull back on the yoke the elevator tabs deflect downwards, which then Flys the elevator upward and thus pitches the plane nose upwards.
Pushing forward on the yoke moves the elevator tabs upward, which Flys the elevator downwards and thus pitching the aircraft down.
Also pushing forward and only forward on the yoke far enough is the only time hydraulic assistance moves the elevator to aid in high pitch attitude recovery
Just thought I'd share a little bit of knowledge in case anyone is interested.
Not so slight right - isn’t this the only reason they had any pitch control left at all?
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@@peterdieleman303 do you mean the hydraulic elevator boost/assist? (I forget exactly what it's called). If that's what you mean then no it wouldn't have helped because that only works when you're trying to lower the nose. In this case they were trying to raise the noise, until they went inverted that is.
@@traffictraffic no i mean they were moving the elevator tabs when pulling on the yoke, which was the only form of pitch control left. The elevator itself was completely stuck.
@@peterdieleman303 no I don't remember that being the case. It was only the stabilizer that was jammed, the elevators and the elevator tabs were still moving but didn't have enough authority to overcome the out of limits nose down position of the stabilizer.
Aw man this is one of the most sad crashes and the ATC recordings are chilling. The pilots were heroes.
it probably would have been fun to be on the plane until it crashed
The pilots were badass. They literally did everything they could have with the knowledge they had. The level of calmness in the ATC recordings is amazing.
This is the one that keeps me up at night - the preventable nature of it, the horrific experience the passengers went through before they died, people on the ground trying to help and that pilots on other flights saw the disaster unfold. You know you covered that MH370 flight but compared to this disaster the people on MH370 were incredibly fortunate.
The terror of the passengers and flight attendants must have been immense. Utterly preventable, caused by greed.
you definitely don't know and cant say for sure about mh370. A fire could have occured on board of the plane, causing the plane to crash
@@mike04574 This very channel has a great video released like a week ago talking about MH370 and how newer evidence suggests the pilot did it deliberately. You can dismiss it as "speculation" because we will never have all of the answers, but it's about as educated of a guess one could make based on more recent evidence.
I don’t know about them being “incredibly fortunate”. Yes, it’s good they potentially didn’t know what was happening to them, but neither flight ever saw their loved ones again.
Man I love this channel, never once knew a single thing about aviation and now I’m a daily watcher/background listener while working
you need to learn more about poo and toilets
Me too
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@@michaelmagic988now that's gamer
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm How old are you, 12? Get off mommy's laptop and go ride your bike, the fresh air will do you good - and might even boost much-needed brain cell production. FFS.
I remember seeing a documentary on Nat Geo about this crash. Watching the reenaction where the captain says "here we go" right before hitting the water terrified me to my core. RIP to all on board, the pilots truly did their best.
this case and JAL 123 just haunt me. the absolute, near superhuman bravery and determination and grit in the face of utterly insurmountable odds... all in vain.
I hate this story and Alaska Airlines for allowing it to take place. But I love that their failures and neglect will NEVER be forgotten thanks to channels like yours. And the pilots absolute professionalism and attempt to keep flying the airplane until the bitter end. Reality is a hell of a drug
professionalism? this was ALL the incompetent captains fault. other pilot even tried to warn him
Those pilots were truly courageous. I’m from Portland OR and this was such a big deal. I’ve watched so many breakdowns of this crash and I’m always in awe of their sheer determination to try and save this plane. It was impossible but they never gave up. May God bless and keep them and all passengers.
This is so heartbreaking... so many people died a preventable death... and in the end, the pilots knew; there was no saving this aircraft. The reactions of the surrounding pilots and ATC are so sad as well- they couldn't believe their eyes. You can hear the shakiness in their voices. It must have been harrowing for everyone witnessing and onboard the crash. Rest in peace to everyone on board. 🕊💔
@SteviPantyhose-mt5lm why would you laugh? this is a terrifying plane crash...
@@snooz221He laughs, Because his Wife and Her boyfriend was on that Plane.she left this guy and were Trying to Run away from this guy, because this jerk Laughs at somebody's Pain.... ..🥲🥲🥲
It's amazing to think that in order to discover the cause of the crash, they had to pull the jet wreckage out of the ocean and analyze each piece. Painstaking work, but critically important. I only wish the execs of the airline who were responsible for this were able to be prosecuted.
Oh my god, the editing had gotten better and the quality of the videos had increased! Thank you!
Can't believe the fact that the FO and captain were so collected throughout the ordeal. They were upside-down, everything was inverted for them and they were still able to cooperate and try to save the plane.
With the way that they were faced with the ocean so dauntingly close, and it was speeding closer, they knew it was over. And yet the captain just said "Ah, here we go" like it was just another adventure. Rip to those brave people
They were so close, it’s sad they never knew what the problem was. They were exactly the kind of pilots you want behind the wheel. Except for the part where they kept experimenting. No way they could of ever guess what was causing the problem
This was an unforgettable airplane crash for me living in Los Angeles. The complete cockpit voice recordings are chilling.
Don't quote me verbatim but either the co-pilot or the pilot said to the other "we're inverted". The response was "at least we're flying".
This one hits so close to home…literally. I grew up right outside where it crashed. Grandpa told me he watched the rescue/cleanup efforts. So tragic, so frustratingly preventable. Those pilots have gone down in history for their bravery.
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Alaska Airlines Flight 261
My respect to those pilots…….. this is literally unbelievable it’s just insane this is an actual thing that happened
Even more insane is the fact that plane crashes still happen (and probably will) because of others greed.
corporate insanity
It always hurts when lives are lost, but the reason for this crash is infuriating
This is such a tragic story. The CVR is so sad to hear. These pilots were true heroes. Thanks for sharing this story!
Those pilots were heroes, in my opinion.
They did everything they could to save that plane!
They stayed cool under unimaginable circumstances.
May they all RIP!
They definitely were heroes and brave souls. I really wish they could of survive and had a happy ending.
Disneyland has a new ride called the 261, its a recreation of a planes interior and you sit strapped in, they make noises like jet engines, and it turns upside down, and points straight down. Crazy ride scared me. Definitely best ride yet
Although I've heard this story many times before it always gives me chills and brings a tear to my eye when the pilot says I think we got it and the co-pilot says no we don't and then you hear the other airplane say that they can see them in their inverted state absolutely horrifying
…I remember this for I was based in SEA with United. My crew and I were on a United Shuttle 3 day trip on our last leg on the last day from SFO-SEA. We got in SeaTac around 3:15 PM, deplaned, debriefed with our Pilots for we were doing the same 3 day trip again 4 days later. After we said our goodbyes I had to run to the Alaska terminal to catch a Horizon Air flight at 4:55 PM to Medford, OR for I lived part time in Ashland. I get checked in around 4:00 and was waiting for a confirmed seat as the agent gave me my boarding pass, I could never forget her facial expression as she hugged me while she was informing me of what was just relayed to her. We were both in shock but she had to close the plane so we can depart to MFR. I acknowledged the pilots and the Flight Attendant. They were so professional and we didn’t discuss it but after the inflight service she sat beside me for a few minutes and we held hands for the passengers still was not in the know. It was the a long sad hour on my way back home. Looking back to this was poignant but it infuriates me why The Flight Attendants never given any importance by sharing their names but just a designated number. I hope this gets some attention for we are part of the crew and I believe a part of the whole story.
This story hits home for me. We once had dinner with our neighbors when I was a kid and my parents asked "Do you have any kids?" What followed was a long silence.
Yes they did have kids and lost both of them within one year. One from an ATV accident, and later the other from this flight after coming home from a mission trip in Mexico.
I didn't think much of it until I learned why the plane went down. I cannot comprehend what feelings they must live with for the rest of their lives. People should've served jail time for this accident for involuntary manslaughter.
I've seen quite a few different videos on this accident, and if anyone ever says, or you yourself are concerned about repeating things covered by other channels, I don't think you should be. Every big accident investigation channel offers their unique insight and style, and yours is certainly magnificent.
Mad respect to to the captain and FO. They were so cooperative and brave till the very end. "Here we go" is such a badass statement. Shame on the airline and maintenance. RIP to all souls on board :(
I can’t imagine UA-cam without Green Dot Aviation.
Most original comment ever
true.
Mentour Pilot, Aircraft Accident Investigation and a few others do a really good job also. Mentour Pilot's channel goes into all of the details without making it boring.
@@nschlaak 😮
Yeah but that comment is lame. It brings no facts to what this video is about
There were a ton of Alaska employees on the flight. My boss and his wife (he was a restaurant owner, she a flight attendant) died with their two kids. I'll never forget hearing about this.
That had to be one of the scariest flights down to the ocean of all time. They experienced it diving, then inverted. RIP to all the people on board.
Oh God I can't even begin to imagine how scared and dumbfounded those poor kids must have been before final impact 😞😞 It's horrifying for everyone but definitely worse for children. I hope they are resting easy.
My best friend growing up and her family were supposed to be on that flight. She years later ended up marrying a pilot whose girlfriend at the time had been on the flight and died.
For some years I was afraid of flying, and this was one of the incidents that made me feel that way. Ironically because my years of avoiding flying continued beyond 9/11, people assumed that was the reason, but to me at the time it seemed much more plausible that corner-cutting in the maintenance of airplanes would cause a crash rather than another brazen hijacking. Eventually I got over my fear but this is still a chilling story.
Great video! Such a sad story. I flew that exact route not long before the crash. Living in Seattle at the time, we have family that worked for Alaska when this happened. There were a lot of employee's on that flight. Truley a sad and totaly avoidable crash. The pilots did an amazing job in a situation that was doomed.
This made such an impact on me as a kid and with my dad being an MD80 pilot for Alaska. He knew the whole crew and flew that exact plane a month before.
This flight is up there with my top two worst prolonged airplane deaths of all time... The other being Japan Airways 🇯🇵🗾. My heart goes out too all these people on these two flights, awful way to go 😭☹️
I would add UPS flight 6 up there for First Officer Matthew Bell 😢
The amount of quality, consistency and edutainment in these videos is remarkable! One of the best aviation channels on UA-cam by far. Love the new intro too!
The pure heroic courage of these two pilots is astounding, and yet the lack of maintenance by Alaska Airlines is absolutely horrifying. They fought til the end to save their plane and preserve the lives of their passengers. The actions of Flight 261 leave a legacy all too similar to the heroic feats of Flight 93 on September 11th, 2001, and others across the world. May they all rest in peace.
watching this one is so frustrating. how could those ones on the land underestimated the emergency situation easily when they were able to save the plane long way before. may all the people rest in peace, they were all brave souls.
23:53 “737 MAX excluded” 💀😅
I've seen nearly every single mini documentary on this flight. Every time I watch a new one, I still have hope that the pilots can save this aircraft 😔
The Alaska Airlines board, and the Alaska Airlines maintenance engineer on the ground has the blood of 88 people on their hands. Great effort by the pilots
Those poor people. The pilots were absolute legends, it's tragic just how much the odds were stacked against them
Mentour did a excellent video on this flight too
This was so devastating to me. These pilots were absolute heroes. Something about the “here we go” really broke my heart. RIP to all the souls lost to corporate greed.
Tragic, but at least a story where the pilots are the heroes. Really needed that one after the depressing last episode.
I was working at the call center for a major airline when this happened. I walked by the break room and saw everyone standing around the TV...same thing happened when the Concorde crashed. We sent a bunch of snacks and flowers to the crew working in the terminal for Alaska, and they sent back a sweet thank you note. Airline accidents are awful, but this one is particularly chilling. They fought valiantly but their plane was too damaged--which never should have happened. This is one of those stories that every time I hear it, I wish it comes out differently.
The intro music when the green dot animation comes on and the story begins GRABS your attention so well. Don’t lose that!
God I love narrator voice, a mix of seriousness, suspense and cold facts make his videos super interesting.
Green Dot and Brick Immortar are my favorites. ❤
8:24 This is because of the lack of lubrication. The jackscrew has to be lubricate regularly.
Yes, I just finished rewatching all of your videos. Literally have not watched anything else for the past week
I was a teenager living in the suburbs of Seattle when this crash happened. I remember to horror of it all. It felt like everyone knew someone connected to that flight. Thank you for telling their story.
Made my day with another video. I literally cannot get enough. I’ve been rewatching them now 😂
You're doing such and important job to show what corporate greed can do, and how it can affect security and quality control down the line. Keep up the amazing work!
I love the new GDA intro, the quality of your videos have skyrocketed lately. I also love how you're not spoiling the ending of the story by telling the viewers whether the airplane has crashed or not. Don't stop uploading!
Omg the experience of the passangers would be that of pure nightmare
Literally listening to this in the car as I'm going to work and we're flying a Max today and smiled at the subtle Max dig 😂
Was cheering them on until the end, such a heartbreaking result thanks to pitiful negligence. Rest in Peace to everyone on board, especially the brave pilots who tried all they could❤
Man really is spoiling us this month! The absolute GOAT of aviation UA-cam
This crash was terrifying. I am in the comfort of my bed watching while the people who it actually happened to were scared to death. At least they no longer have to fear death anymore.
Man 2024 WILL be a year of success for this channel, mark my words ❤
I've tried watching over aviation channels but it turns out this is the only one I like so KEEP EM COMING, please
Just found your channel and I've been binging. Really appreciate your research and how tastefully you handle these stories. Great work man.
I just found this channel totally addicted to it....this is so badass great channel!
Disheartening to see so talented pilots loosing their lives due to poor maintenance 😢
Thank you for yet another brilliant, informative, dispassionate, respectful and fascinating account of this (preventable) tragedy. RIP all on board.
new visuals, the work put in is outstanding, flawless as always
Thank you for your content. Those pilots were heroes.
Amazing channel and so detailed yet simple explanation that makes even a non aviation person understand.waiting for many more uploads.
keep it up
As you mentioned at the end of the video, there was at least one hull loss of a 737 due to a similar failure. As for this crash, I was really rooting for the pilots. They did everything possible to try to save their plane and they were so close to success that it makes this crash so much more tragic.
The pilots gave it all they had to give. RIP to them all.
the way that air traffic control and maintenance handled this situation is absolutely disgusting. i hope they are ashamed of themselves and bare the weight of all of these casualties for the rest of their lives. May all passengers, flight crew and pilots rest in peace.
I was scared of flying, then I watched green dot aviation. Now in terrified of flying. 😂
After watching a few of these just for the sake to learn of these events I finally understand so much about flight simulators I’ve tried playing in the past. Thanks. 🙏. Solid content.
we love the consistent uploads!
Yet another incident that shows that real heroes are the ones closer to us than we think. Maybe our neighbors, bus drivers, passersby, teachers etc.. May God bless the souls of all those on board. Rest in peace 😥
RIP all the passengers onboard, the pilots were amazing, they tried to the last to save the passengers
That quick jab at the Boeing 737 Max was amazing
I love your videos so much. I discovered your channel this summer, and ever since I have been hooked! Your videos have inspired me to take up flying, and I honestly love it more than anything else. Thanks so much for your content man, keep it up!
Really great explanation of control forces and trim usage.
Excellent video yet again.
This one makes me so sad, still. Not only did they never give up, they were equally concerned about flying over populated areas should the worst case happen.
far too many modern documentaries emphasize and focus on reenactment and/or personal accounts. so great how 'Green Dot' is all about information, narrative, and education. very grateful!
The FAA should designate a program to protect whistleblowers.