I'm an IT person too. I got the same stoplock before I got the car, it fits fine with the lock bottom right to top left, just don't forget to take it off before moving the car on the key fob, especially if you rotate the wheel like you do.
I bought a Dislok, it covers the entire steering, no adjusting required. I've put it on every night for 20months, it fits perfectly, and doesn't mark the wheel etc. I've seen an example on the UK EV6 owners group this week whereby the thieves had cloned the key and after nicking the car they goughed through the plastic area where the USB ports are and cut the wires that control kia connect. So sadly valet mode is of little use as they already know how to disable it. I still turn it on every night as it only takes a second and maybe not all theives know how to disconnect it (although i suspect they do sadly)
Hi Brian, great video as always. Today went down to Halfords and asked to try the slightly smaller (more compacted) StopLock Pro. It fits great, no need to turn the steerng wheel upside down. Halfords have a promotion on this week so only paid £39.99. Keep up the good work, Iain
Thanks Brian, The Genesis GV60 already has several options between getting in the car and starting it. There is a PIN that you set that may be activated before you can start the car (similar to that shown in your video); or, there's the fingerprint reader that requires a scan of your fingerprint prior to enabling the start. The fingerprint reader is 90% reliable in my experience, but if it doesn't work, the option to use the 4 digit PIN is there and has never failed me on use, yet. These facilities are obviously available to E-GMP vehicles, HMG just needs to make them common between Brands!
Thank you for this video and for your work in making useful content. I have an EV 9. I got a crook lock but find that the middle part of the steering wheel protrudes too far to deploy the crook lock. This annoyingly activates the car horn. The crook lock was bought for my previous car, a 2021 Discovery 5 and it fit that steering wheel like a charm.
@@evodessey Theft prevention isn’t usually part of the testing process. The mere thought of getting a car knicked is a bother. I like the EV9. It’s our first electric car. I had learning issues when using high power chargers. The car needs to locked while the charger and car negotiate. Also, the charger plug needs to be pushed in and held to allow the pins to meet. The weight of the charging cables can cause tension on the plug. One issue that has come up is the extremely annoying inattentive driving alert warning which cannot be disabled by law, unlike the speed limit and the driver awareness warnings. The inattentive driving alert is the yellow steaming coffee cup symbol that appears above the speed indicator and is accompanied by incessant two to eight chime. The chime sometimes switches itself off. Stopping the car, for a half hour to charge and take a pit stop break stops the alert only to come on again roughly 10 minutes into the drive. I know this isn’t only a KIA issue but it might be interesting to test other manufacturers’ solutions. These well intentioned safety systems and the negative reaction of drivers may lead to a buyer strike and cause a surge in pre 2024 used cars which were sold without this annoyances! Rant over. Sorry.
It is crazy that there is no PIN to drive function like on Tesla. That single function makes Tesla pretty much theft proof. And of course Tesla don’t use key fobs so zero chance of a relay attack. Traditional car manufacturers really need to look at what Tesla does well and where possible, implement on their own cars.
Some additional things you can do. Remove very specific fuses. For example, E-Shifter Fuse & relay, "EPCU" Rear/front inverter (but your car will no longer top up 12V), MDPS (Power steering - Won't make the car undrivable, but it'll make it REALLY difficult). Also, if you pop up the firemans fuse, it'll isolate the HV battery, so no topping up of 12V again, but another option. Yes, any seasoned crook likely will have these as "spare", so add in additional things, like Ghost 2 canbus immobiliser. You mostly want to frustrate them, as the more time they're spending tinkering with the car to get it started, the more likely they are of getting caught.
I will warn though (I just tested this), if you remove the E-Shifter relay, and try to start the car, it won't start, but moreover, you then CANNOT TURN THE CAR OFF. Reason for this is, the car tries to put itself into Park, and it can't as the E-Shifter is non functional. For safety, I disconnected the 12V, and inserted the relay back in then connected the 12V back again, all working fine. Removing the firemans fuse, you get a warning on the dash saying check electrical system, or to that effect.
What I'd like to see: matching number 2FA. Much like Microsoft do. The car powers on and sends a "matching number" to your phone. You then type that in, the car powers up.
As you rightly say no car security is guaranteed. It is difficult to chose which is the best device to buy and so looked at the different steering wheel locks and watching a video these to people got all of them off within a very short space of time with the minimal number of tools. The best alternative to what Tesla offer is what a friend of mine has had fitted to is Audi RS3 its called ghost system they fit it at your home and you arm and disarm it via a sequence of button press using the cars controls. It costs about £600.that’s what the police and his insurance recommend. The only problem with it on the Kia EV6 is you would not be able to start the car from outside with the key and as such move the car while stood outside. Witch wouldn’t bother me if means keeping your car.
Stoplocks are generally a waste of time these days. Unless you can if it around the steering wheel control buttons as all they do is make 2 easy cuts with a hacksaw or battery powered saw and its off. This is why disklok are a bit better, they can be removed or bypassed but not as easily.
Hi Brian, Just trying to figure out some of the secure ways to lock the car. From what I can see, you can use Kia Connect, the door touchpad and the keyfob. Kia connect seems to be the securest option given that it is wireless. The keyfob to me is the weakest as it sends out a code that I assume can be copied and then used once you are away from your car. How secure is the touchpad and how exactly does that one work? I assume the touchpad is allowed to be used when the car senses the keyfob as being close but does not cause a code to be produced that can be replicated by someone sitting in a car close by. Thanks in advance.
I think Kia Connect is safest as you say. 2nd method is touchpad which relies on Key short range proximity signal. Pressing key fob buttons are much longer range signals and are probably more surceptable to relay attacks/cloning. The physical key is designed to go to sleep after a short delay after no movement detected. Hope this helps. Despite this I still keep all of our keys in a Faraday box.
Good tips and info - thanks. I have a Stoplock thats currently not being used so will try it and see if it fits. Might deter someone who is only equipped for a cloned key?
My ordinary Stoplock fits but the other way around - arm pointing down, which IIRC they recommended but may be wrong. Bonis is its pretty much impossible to get it or out of the car without it hitting the horn 🤣 so no stealth attacks in the middle of the night on my driveway!
So it's back to the 80s. With everyone having steering wheel clamps. I had a peugeot 405 that had a key pad for a password. So it's easy to do if they wanted.
the lock is no deterrent for the thieves, they just cut the steering wheel with a hacksaw or battery powered grinder off in seconds. they are stealing the car, they don't care what damage they do. I was in a car park on the phone to work and watched a bunch of kids trying to steal a moped. they pulled out a large pair of bolt cutters. they almost had the lock off when one of then saw me on the phone and took off.
The link to mine is no longed available but this one looks the same www.amazon.co.uk/Ironstripe-Blocker-Faraday-Anti-theft-Security/dp/B07W48SWLK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3S7LCPPG30EIP&keywords=faraday+box&qid=1696517097&sprefix=faraday+box%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
Thanks once again Brian. Do you have any experiences or thoughts of how a third party, aftermarket immobilizer and tracker would work with the EV6? There seem to be many Thatcham approved devices where you need to have a separate physical token present in the car to start it, and if not present the engine remains immobilized. My concern is the 12V battery drain (especially with the EV6 and some of the problems people have had) although I know they say it is minimal voltage. Perhaps this isn't even a problem now that recent updates may have resolved these battery drain issues and the traction battery would top up the 12V if something is pulling power like a security unit. Anyway, any thoughts as to this as a solution or from other subscribers who have had something like this already fitted on their EV6. For now I have invested in a Disklock, which like another of your subscribers says works well, especially for leaving on the drive overnight and is a pretty hefty piece of hardware. Cheers.
I’ve not really looked into 3rd party trackers apart from airtags which would work but are also easy to detect with an iPhone so they are of limited value.
I've been looking at lots of devices for another vehicle and most say they aren't suitable for EVs - especially anything like a Ghost that requires integration into the electronic systems.
I guess all it would do is show a potential thief that the car was successfully opened, mirror unfolding also does this,I've left mine on but have considered turning it off
@@evodessey This video makes IMHO a strong case for turning off "unlock on approach". ua-cam.com/video/0QP1ruJV3PU/v-deo.htmlsi=O7Q-OBNKcM_wRIYa As a fellow IT professional, I'm sure you're well aware of the "defence in depth" strategy: for it uninitiated it can be summed up as implementing multiple layers of security for important targets even if those layers might seem redundant on paper. Each layer is still another obstacle that an attacker must get past, and with multiple obstacles the chances of them giving up increase dramatically. As such I've turned off "unlock on approach" on my EV6, along with keeping the keys in a Faraday box at home and a tested Faraday pouch when away. If the crims can't even get the car to unlock with a relay attack then they are very likely to just move on to a softer target, I reckon.
I'm an IT person too. I got the same stoplock before I got the car, it fits fine with the lock bottom right to top left, just don't forget to take it off before moving the car on the key fob, especially if you rotate the wheel like you do.
I bought a Dislok, it covers the entire steering, no adjusting required. I've put it on every night for 20months, it fits perfectly, and doesn't mark the wheel etc.
I've seen an example on the UK EV6 owners group this week whereby the thieves had cloned the key and after nicking the car they goughed through the plastic area where the USB ports are and cut the wires that control kia connect. So sadly valet mode is of little use as they already know how to disable it. I still turn it on every night as it only takes a second and maybe not all theives know how to disconnect it (although i suspect they do sadly)
Hi Brian, great video as always. Today went down to Halfords and asked to try the slightly smaller (more compacted) StopLock Pro. It fits great, no need to turn the steerng wheel upside down. Halfords have a promotion on this week so only paid £39.99.
Keep up the good work, Iain
I've managed to get more mine on now without turning steering wheel. Just needed to try a bit harder😂 That's a good price.
Thanks Brian, The Genesis GV60 already has several options between getting in the car and starting it. There is a PIN that you set that may be activated before you can start the car (similar to that shown in your video); or, there's the fingerprint reader that requires a scan of your fingerprint prior to enabling the start. The fingerprint reader is 90% reliable in my experience, but if it doesn't work, the option to use the 4 digit PIN is there and has never failed me on use, yet. These facilities are obviously available to E-GMP vehicles, HMG just needs to make them common between Brands!
Yes give the rest of us some of those goodies😎👍
Useful to know thanks
Use a stop lock pro as a further deterrent
Thank you for this video and for your work in making useful content. I have an EV 9. I got a crook lock but find that the middle part of the steering wheel protrudes too far to deploy the crook lock. This annoyingly activates the car horn. The crook lock was bought for my previous car, a 2021 Discovery 5 and it fit that steering wheel like a charm.
Cheers. That’s a pain. I never thought to try my steering lock on the EV9 when i test drove it.
@@evodessey Theft prevention isn’t usually part of the testing process. The mere thought of getting a car knicked is a bother. I like the EV9. It’s our first electric car. I had learning issues when using high power chargers. The car needs to locked while the charger and car negotiate. Also, the charger plug needs to be pushed in and held to allow the pins to meet. The weight of the charging cables can cause tension on the plug.
One issue that has come up is the extremely annoying inattentive driving alert warning which cannot be disabled by law, unlike the speed limit and the driver awareness warnings. The inattentive driving alert is the yellow steaming coffee cup symbol that appears above the speed indicator and is accompanied by incessant two to eight chime. The chime sometimes switches itself off. Stopping the car, for a half hour to charge and take a pit stop break stops the alert only to come on again roughly 10 minutes into the drive. I know this isn’t only a KIA issue but it might be interesting to test other manufacturers’ solutions. These well intentioned safety systems and the negative reaction of drivers may lead to a buyer strike and cause a surge in pre 2024 used cars which were sold without this annoyances! Rant over. Sorry.
Hi Brian, I have the same stopcock which works fine. However, I've also had a ghost immobiliser fitted. This works really and highly recommended.
Cheers,Do you have a link for this?
It is crazy that there is no PIN to drive function like on Tesla. That single function makes Tesla pretty much theft proof. And of course Tesla don’t use key fobs so zero chance of a relay attack. Traditional car manufacturers really need to look at what Tesla does well and where possible, implement on their own cars.
Some additional things you can do. Remove very specific fuses. For example, E-Shifter Fuse & relay, "EPCU" Rear/front inverter (but your car will no longer top up 12V), MDPS (Power steering - Won't make the car undrivable, but it'll make it REALLY difficult). Also, if you pop up the firemans fuse, it'll isolate the HV battery, so no topping up of 12V again, but another option. Yes, any seasoned crook likely will have these as "spare", so add in additional things, like Ghost 2 canbus immobiliser. You mostly want to frustrate them, as the more time they're spending tinkering with the car to get it started, the more likely they are of getting caught.
I will warn though (I just tested this), if you remove the E-Shifter relay, and try to start the car, it won't start, but moreover, you then CANNOT TURN THE CAR OFF. Reason for this is, the car tries to put itself into Park, and it can't as the E-Shifter is non functional. For safety, I disconnected the 12V, and inserted the relay back in then connected the 12V back again, all working fine. Removing the firemans fuse, you get a warning on the dash saying check electrical system, or to that effect.
What I'd like to see: matching number 2FA. Much like Microsoft do. The car powers on and sends a "matching number" to your phone. You then type that in, the car powers up.
As you rightly say no car security is guaranteed. It is difficult to chose which is the best device to buy and so looked at the different steering wheel locks and watching a video these to people got all of them off within a very short space of time with the minimal number of tools. The best alternative to what Tesla offer is what a friend of mine has had fitted to is Audi RS3 its called ghost system they fit it at your home and you arm and disarm it via a sequence of button press using the cars controls. It costs about £600.that’s what the police and his insurance recommend. The only problem with it on the Kia EV6 is you would not be able to start the car from outside with the key and as such move the car while stood outside. Witch wouldn’t bother me if means keeping your car.
I can not understand why EV6 does not lock automatically the you leave the car...missing this feature in had in Tesla 😢
Stoplocks are generally a waste of time these days. Unless you can if it around the steering wheel control buttons as all they do is make 2 easy cuts with a hacksaw or battery powered saw and its off. This is why disklok are a bit better, they can be removed or bypassed but not as easily.
Hi Brian, Just trying to figure out some of the secure ways to lock the car. From what I can see, you can use Kia Connect, the door touchpad and the keyfob. Kia connect seems to be the securest option given that it is wireless. The keyfob to me is the weakest as it sends out a code that I assume can be copied and then used once you are away from your car. How secure is the touchpad and how exactly does that one work? I assume the touchpad is allowed to be used when the car senses the keyfob as being close but does not cause a code to be produced that can be replicated by someone sitting in a car close by. Thanks in advance.
I think Kia Connect is safest as you say. 2nd method is touchpad which relies on Key short range proximity signal. Pressing key fob buttons are much longer range signals and are probably more surceptable to relay attacks/cloning. The physical key is designed to go to sleep after a short delay after no movement detected. Hope this helps. Despite this I still keep all of our keys in a Faraday box.
I also did an updated Car security video recently after a spare of EV6 & Ioniq 5 key less thefts ua-cam.com/video/Llo7kRzKvpQ/v-deo.html
good old-fashioned crook lock works perfectly, £50k car with £29.99 security.......mad world
Sad to see that such precautions are necessary in the UK.
Good tips and info - thanks. I have a Stoplock thats currently not being used so will try it and see if it fits. Might deter someone who is only equipped for a cloned key?
My ordinary Stoplock fits but the other way around - arm pointing down, which IIRC they recommended but may be wrong. Bonis is its pretty much impossible to get it or out of the car without it hitting the horn 🤣 so no stealth attacks in the middle of the night on my driveway!
@tripswithgriff I got mine to work the way it should eventually without turning the steering
So it's back to the 80s.
With everyone having steering wheel clamps.
I had a peugeot 405 that had a key pad for a password.
So it's easy to do if they wanted.
Yup. There are some 3rd party immobiliser systems that some have if you look down the comments
the lock is no deterrent for the thieves, they just cut the steering wheel with a hacksaw or battery powered grinder off in seconds. they are stealing the car, they don't care what damage they do. I was in a car park on the phone to work and watched a bunch of kids trying to steal a moped. they pulled out a large pair of bolt cutters. they almost had the lock off when one of then saw me on the phone and took off.
I know. It’s only a deterrent to slow them down. If they really want it they will get it.As i say in the video no such thing as 100% security.
I have seen places saying valet mode limits the speed of the EV6, is this true and if so what speed is it limited too ?
anyone ?
It's supposed to limit speed but just doesn't work
@@evodessey Thanks, big pity, it would be an effective anti-theft system if it did.
Simplest is often best. And the method that takes the longest time to override is also best, which probably won't be anything controlled by software 😆
Do you have a link for your faraday box please?
Use a cookie box 😂
The link to mine is no longed available but this one looks the same www.amazon.co.uk/Ironstripe-Blocker-Faraday-Anti-theft-Security/dp/B07W48SWLK/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=3S7LCPPG30EIP&keywords=faraday+box&qid=1696517097&sprefix=faraday+box%2Caps%2C114&sr=8-1-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1
Why spend so much money? Every metal box is a faraday box. Brain try and make a youtube video.
I used to use I an old caddy tea box but it leaked signal around the lid
I edged my numberplate on all my windows.
Thanks once again Brian. Do you have any experiences or thoughts of how a third party, aftermarket immobilizer and tracker would work with the EV6? There seem to be many Thatcham approved devices where you need to have a separate physical token present in the car to start it, and if not present the engine remains immobilized. My concern is the 12V battery drain (especially with the EV6 and some of the problems people have had) although I know they say it is minimal voltage. Perhaps this isn't even a problem now that recent updates may have resolved these battery drain issues and the traction battery would top up the 12V if something is pulling power like a security unit. Anyway, any thoughts as to this as a solution or from other subscribers who have had something like this already fitted on their EV6. For now I have invested in a Disklock, which like another of your subscribers says works well, especially for leaving on the drive overnight and is a pretty hefty piece of hardware. Cheers.
I’ve not really looked into 3rd party trackers apart from airtags which would work but are also easy to detect with an iPhone so they are of limited value.
I've been looking at lots of devices for another vehicle and most say they aren't suitable for EVs - especially anything like a Ghost that requires integration into the electronic systems.
forget fraday box etc, biscuit tin, dead cheap
Thanks for this video. Is there any merit in turning off "unlock on approach"? I could live without it if so.
I guess all it would do is show a potential thief that the car was successfully opened, mirror unfolding also does this,I've left mine on but have considered turning it off
@@evodessey But wouldn't turning it off completely deny relay unlock attacks?
In Ioniq 6 "unlock on approach" can be turned off in the menu. Not sure if it fully protects against "gameboy" attack.
@@evodessey This video makes IMHO a strong case for turning off "unlock on approach". ua-cam.com/video/0QP1ruJV3PU/v-deo.htmlsi=O7Q-OBNKcM_wRIYa
As a fellow IT professional, I'm sure you're well aware of the "defence in depth" strategy: for it uninitiated it can be summed up as implementing multiple layers of security for important targets even if those layers might seem redundant on paper. Each layer is still another obstacle that an attacker must get past, and with multiple obstacles the chances of them giving up increase dramatically.
As such I've turned off "unlock on approach" on my EV6, along with keeping the keys in a Faraday box at home and a tested Faraday pouch when away.
If the crims can't even get the car to unlock with a relay attack then they are very likely to just move on to a softer target, I reckon.