The Bizon and P90 are products of a time where design was focused around the concept of urban anti-terrorism. I.e. short, intense deployments. You realistically won't need to reload either "in the field" ever in their intended use case scenarios - so the gimmicky loading isn't really a trade-off at all.
Not for the P90: it was (initially) designed so that tank crews or truck drivers have a means to defend themselves... ua-cam.com/video/ejkHVAgzQ7U/v-deo.html
It was not made for anti-terrorism, but for cops to replace aksu and for collectors (armoured car guard) - cause bison form-factor is more accurate on every day basis when u wil use it once in a life time.
@@deltaiv4060 It was literally commissioned by the ministry of internal affairs. Whether it saw use in other roles doesn't change the fact that the design was with anti-terrorist deployment in mind.
@@Cooleyo789 ehh there is a fair bit of content on the counter balance recoil system these days thanks to Polenar Tactical and Forgotten Weapons… as opposed to hardly anything on the AN-94.
Having fired one overseas, the trick to the Bizon helical magazine was using dry graphite lubricant treatment. Basically, it was the graphite lubricant that is used on the Beta CMAG. Once I applied the lubricant liberally like it is done in the Beta C Mag drum, it worked wonderfully and was reliable.
@@markc2152 Nah, it isn't. Dry ptfe lubricants isn't magnetic and won't accumulate the same way. And if you want a locksmith to rip your head off, tell him you use graphite on quality locks.
@@zoned7609 Recent Call of Duty games fucking kill me with how they modeled the Vector. It literally wouldn't function with the sections they removed to keep it legally distinct.
Let's take a moment to appreciate that GT not only sourced an ultra-rare Russki subgun for our pleasure, but also found some 29 round helical mags so that he could run it with his real, real fast trigger finger on YT.
I remember playing the very first Ghost Recon over 20 years ago and I saw the silhouette of the Bizon and I thought the mag was a grenade launcher so I ran it on one of the missions. To my disappointment it was just a SMG or whatever. Still have a grudge against it all these years later.
You guys should do the Zoolander drill: you clockwise clear a perimeter of targets around you without turning right. I believe, in certain regions, it’s called the “flag-your-friends-until-you’re-so-dizzy-that-you-shoot-them drill.”
@@chris30555 don’t get me wrong. I love my parasocial relationships, I have even done podcasts about parasocial relationships with people who I have parasocial relationships with
i mainly love this gun because of the cylindrical mag, killzone was my favorite shooter and the bad guys there had cylindrical mags on all their guns and even an SMG reminiscent of this too
For reloads on the bizon, its a little counter intuitive but holding the mag further forward lets you get a more positive hold on the hooks, which in turn helps keep the rear in alignment when inserting the mag.
The Bizon was mostly used by russian police, one of the jobs it was built for. Don't remember if FSB used them, but their favorite until the Vityas was a shortbarrel [AS Val] VSS, called the [SR3]m vikhr Edit: SR3 vikhr AND its modernised version, SR3M
Oh, my bad. Ive just always put them in the same family. Same magazine, same round... i mean, its heavily based on the AS Val, the twin of the VSS. I made the mistake of using the sniper config as the example.
In region 11 (Komi Republic) the Bison is in the service of bailiffs. Patrol service: SR 2 Veresk (heather) and AKSu 74. At least in 2001-2010. I don’t know how now. Possibly removed from service.(Google Translate)
What I think that could have made the reloading easier is to keep it the way it is but make the front mount spring loaded. So you wouldn't need to be that precise how to insert the mag. Just push it upwards and be done with it
Imagine a world where the Bizon took over the popularity of the AR 15. We'd have fleshlight cerakoted mags, pringle can cerakote mags, the options are endless.
Проблема этого оружия в том что когда его магазин пустеет то теряется баланс при стрельбе. Крепление магазина расшатывается со временем , ну и сам магазин тружно заряжать и такой шнековый магазин очень дорого стоит. Кстати на вооружении у Северной Кореи есть АК-74 с шнековым магазином, видел такие у их пограничников 😃
12:00 I remember reading a shooting magazine in the early 90's, which had a review on the Calico, and a line in particular always stuck in my mind: Your finger will get tired before the magazine runs dry... I'm guessing it's the same with this beast 👍👍👍👍
Hello there Mr. Thumb, I find great interest in your Urban survival and Becoming deadly in the mountains series. Although your videos have coverd a wide range of subjects so far, I still miss a couple of subjects that I find to be crutial in survival in an anarchist enviorment. Here are my suggestions which I hope you can cover, love your content by the way, amazing stuff. 1) Team communication over coms/in person (as well as non verbal) 2) Team movement 3) Surveillance/counter surveillance I could not come up with more, I might edit this over time. Keep up the gud work Mr. Thumb
The Bizon was primarily made in 9x18 Makarov but there were some made in 9mm para and 7.62x25 Tokarev for possible export sales. The 9mm para, if I recall used a 64rd drum.
So much StA-11 SMG vibes from Killzone 2 and 3🖤. For being such weapon it was a solid choice both in the campaign and online, aaaah the memories😄 I always like their choice to use real life weapons and rework them a little bit to fit the Killzone's universe.
i feel like reloads could be easily improved by some little angled ramp like pieces that would direct the tabs into place so that all the user would have to do is slide the mag forward, kind of like a flared magwell.
@@Username_8886 he can't *own* them, but does the law also prevent him from going to a range and renting a gun? Or going to a range and shooting his friends guns?
Another reason Bizon got replaced by Vityaz is inability of Russian special forces (Speznaz, FSB, MVD etc.) to cope with weight balance of the gun changing depending on fullness of the magazine
10:45 I think a better system would be if there were grooves along the bottom rail that the magazine hooks could slide along until it hits the pins. Then, the procedure is simply find one groove, rock it over, slide it forward, rock it up. Finding a groove is easier than finding a pin, and everything else is anchored on that.
The easiest solution are just bigger grooves and bigger more square'ish pins. So it would be easier to locate them while wearing gloves / in dark environments / while not looking
bro i had 15k hours and i stopped playing years ago because my steam and google account somehow was hacked ffs. best skin i lost was a statract factory new awp lightning strike. god forbid you go look up the price and tell me i refuse to at this point...
@shawnfoogle920 yeah last few years skin prices have sky rocketed. There are skins i used to have that were 20 bucks that are like 120+ now. And everything only went up with the cs2 announcement.
I remember the first time I saw this thing was in the game Syphon Filter, and I was like "wtf, what the hell is this gun?" next day coming home from school I stopped by my local Waterstones and bought a Janes Guns Recognition guide and found it in there. Always liked this funky, if troubled, weapon.
@@gman3976 yesh, I am an old, old wolfpup XDD back in my day we had co-op splitscreen for multiplayer, and your internet took eight years to load pornography XDD
Always found the gameplay in that mod rather lackluster compared to the other offerings like CS and Day of Defeat, but it did have some cool guns. Was also my introduction to the Bizon.
If you can get a gunsmith to do it, I can think of ways to address the two most blatant problems you complained about. Changing mags: Make a new handguard that has flares to guide that nose to its pegs. Loading bullets into mags: Make a modified front plate for that metal mag (12:05) that instead of a lock has a ratchet system (and maybe fold-out wings to give you better leverage turning it).
I run the Bizon exclusively in COD when I need a subgun, because I'm one of those players who believes more bullets=more better. The P-90 is arguably a better weird compact bang box in the real world because it packs almost as many rounds but uses miniature rifle bullets. And as cool as the helical mag is, I'm not sure I trust it. But in COD, it reaps.
I seriously love the design of the Bizon and I’d love to see a western company make some. Helical mags are definitely unorthodox but IMO the ammo capacity far outweighs the cons while still allowing this thing to be super compact. Even if someone came out with a civilian model, you know for damn sure I’d SBR that thing in a heartbeat
Bison is designed to be shot with steel armor piercing ammo for counter terrorism. It’s not really designed for long prolonged shooting scenarios. Quick and fast job.
There are several ways to make the magazine attachment more user friendly. A large lug on the mag that fits into a flared socket on the gun. And also a flared guide into the latch. And as far as the rotating handle on the front of the tube, it could be a folding rotating handle found on chalk-line tools.
I would actually be curious to try machining some parts to make that magazine attachment mechanism more intuitive. Rather than two tiny pegs that two tiny hooks grab maybe two ~3/8" conical holes with matching conical points on the front of the magazine so you don't have to be as accurate to line it up. It looks like the latch on the back could use some tweaking as well, even with a regular AK the magazine can fit sloppily enough that the spring loaded catch doesn't hold the magazine properly... with this thing having the front hooked in doesn't even help hold it straight when you rock the back into place. I bet a pretty simple solution could be devised for that as well to make loading a magazine less reliant on fine motor control.
I noticed the Molchat Doma hoodie there, doubt there would be a silent house with you three in it. Great video as always and a fascinating gun. I never noticed that the front of the magazine turns as you fire before.
I wish there was a civilian version of this. I really like the idea of having a compact weapon without a magazine that just sticks out, but is in fact, part of the profile of the gun.
I have been commenting for this firearm on Brandon videos for like 3 years, on and off. Never thought GarandThumb would be the one to do it. Been loving the Bizon since I was 14 and played Syphon Filter.
Dude, I want to know who would win in a flintlock duel: Admin, or Mike. The idea: 1. Have ballistic gel dummies nut-to-butt with the duelists, have each duelist walk a set number of paces. 2. The duelists (which will be side-by-side) will both face outboard, and fire on said dummies. 3. May the best man win.
Dude...that opening was amazing. The ability that firearm has to maintain its output of metallic body piercing objects is amazing. I think the rate of fire for that mag size is perfect. Not like, for example, the glock 18 spitting out all its ammo in .25 seconds. I really loke this gun. Ohhhhhhhh, the kobra, I bought one from kalinka optics about 20 years ago and, yeah, it's not good. It's great to have a russian optic on one of my AKs but I finally had to take it off for a primary arms dot. I am thinking of keeping the kobra on my saiga12 though? I think it looks pretty slick on top and accuracy past 50 yards is just not important.
Considering the most awkward parts about the helical mag are the reload procedure and the bulkiness with carrying spares, I wonder if it would have been a good idea to try and design the weapon to take both the helix and a stick mag kind of like a Thompson with drums and sticks. Have the capacity of the helical mag right from the start but then the speed and ease of the sticks for the reload. But then I guess it's overcomplicating things for what is essentially just 2 mags in one. A coupler would get you similar capacity and only offer a slight hindrance by comparison.
I had the same idea seeing it. For an ordonance weapon it would be too complicated. But Tompson and PPSh did it back in the day. The amis never used drums for the military, the russian kind of loved them. But for short fire fights while doing bodyguard work, having a 64 round magazine from the start by just grabbing your weapon without anything else is nead. But there is a reason why drums never caught on.
@@Karelwolfpup oh yeah it was hard af 😂 was always fun too at the very beginning running over a Russian soldier with the car, picking up a an AK and trying to repel off the invading force solo. An exercise in frustration mostly, but fun.
@@adamg574 I remember one thing I disliked about Resistance was the looting, was just too difficult to do properly with the inventory system as it was. I mean, it was marginally faster getting your guys to pick up weapons, but jeebus...
Thank you GT for finally show us your PP
his second pp
Does showing PP violate TOS???
Fag
It's kinda smol innit ?
@@ThatGuy-sc5rxit has a nice personality at least 🤏
*Wait, this isn't the MP5*
agreed
edit: maybe though the integrally supressed MP5?
I think the vector is currently the most popular.
@@Snack-Sized-Femboyit's definitely my personal favorite
@@Snack-Sized-Femboynope
You typed MP7 incorrectly
The Bizon and P90 are products of a time where design was focused around the concept of urban anti-terrorism. I.e. short, intense deployments. You realistically won't need to reload either "in the field" ever in their intended use case scenarios - so the gimmicky loading isn't really a trade-off at all.
Not for the P90: it was (initially) designed so that tank crews or truck drivers have a means to defend themselves... ua-cam.com/video/ejkHVAgzQ7U/v-deo.html
A high density of fire and a 9x18 cartridge is a good combination
It was not made for anti-terrorism, but for cops to replace aksu and for collectors (armoured car guard) - cause bison form-factor is more accurate on every day basis when u wil use it once in a life time.
@@deltaiv4060 It was literally commissioned by the ministry of internal affairs. Whether it saw use in other roles doesn't change the fact that the design was with anti-terrorist deployment in mind.
@@deltaiv4060 what do you think cops do ?
Getting a real AN-94 on the channel would be legendary, and thus, most likely impossible...
Brandon will get one before then
Or an AEK-971
@@Cooleyo789 ehh there is a fair bit of content on the counter balance recoil system these days thanks to Polenar Tactical and Forgotten Weapons… as opposed to hardly anything on the AN-94.
Therefore they'll somehow find a way lol
and A-545
Having fired one overseas, the trick to the Bizon helical magazine was using dry graphite lubricant treatment. Basically, it was the graphite lubricant that is used on the Beta CMAG. Once I applied the lubricant liberally like it is done in the Beta C Mag drum, it worked wonderfully and was reliable.
Graphite is the best dry lubricant works great when you don’t want dirt dust and debris gunking up the works like wet
@@markc2152
Nah, it isn't. Dry ptfe lubricants isn't magnetic and won't accumulate the same way.
And if you want a locksmith to rip your head off, tell him you use graphite on quality locks.
As soon as I looked out that optic I knew this was def rus made
How do you apply it?
What about dry moly-lube? I'd rather not absorb even more micronized fluoropolymers.
What an absolute unit. I can only pray my PP will ever be half as majestic.
Ayo wtf
Nah man, our pp’s are just as if not are more majestic. We might not have the same fire rate, but we’re sending artillery rounds with our pp’s.
@@Wes0602if each round is a droplet of pee, then we actually have mad fire rate and mag capacity, nutting is like our m203
Wtf is this reply chain
I'd say it's probably 5th most popular SMG in videogaming, right behind all of HK's lineup
uzi slips in the top 5 aswell and maybe even the mac10. These two along with the 2 hks (mp5 and ump) and the bizon
If the kriss is modeled properly it's always top3 but some games dont do it justice. P90 is the king still imo tho. FN
No.1 is most definitely the MP5 lmao. Though the bizon and P90 both are definitely the most unique in games.
@@zoned7609 Recent Call of Duty games fucking kill me with how they modeled the Vector. It literally wouldn't function with the sections they removed to keep it legally distinct.
I would say top 5 is Ump, MP5, UZI, Criss vector and P90
The bizon mag would make for an excellent backup melee weapon
Amongst other things the Russian army may enjoy 😂
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I thought the same, but I would just throw it and then throw the gun.
Throwing your gun is always faster then reload.
@@Kawka1122 this one would at least be true!
Or a pipe bomb
Aesthetics wise, this one is hands down one of the coolest weapons I've ever seen
Looks like something out of a Star Wars movie, in the best way possible
is just a gud defense SMG based on high capacity and decent dmg
Or aka Pocket LMG
Pocket lmgs are the best
Always thought so, then a part of my mind also told me this is basically a blowback Krinkov with sausage mag.
Years of MW3 training have led me to this moment...
The A stands for Administrative Results
This gun and its magazine made my 12 year old brain a lil confused back in the day.
“VEEE GIT PAIYD?”
that was not the bizon, it is a similar smg with a helical mag
I still feel robbed that this gun wasn't in S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
Let's take a moment to appreciate that GT not only sourced an ultra-rare Russki subgun for our pleasure, but also found some 29 round helical mags so that he could run it with his real, real fast trigger finger on YT.
Aahhahaha
Yes, I love how the PP-19 semi-auto works, but I like even more this *more semi-auto* PP-19
I thought it had 64 round mags
@@waynerohde1036 Sssshhh! They'll hear you!
@@herknorth8691 as someone who knows nothing about gun laws, why is it they can't mention the mag size? Or was that a joke of some form?
I would love to see a direct comparison of the PP-19 to the Calico. Both helical mag subgun/pcc platforms in 9mm diameter cartridges
Someone get Ian to bring his.
I remember playing the very first Ghost Recon over 20 years ago and I saw the silhouette of the Bizon and I thought the mag was a grenade launcher so I ran it on one of the missions. To my disappointment it was just a SMG or whatever. Still have a grudge against it all these years later.
The originals were legendary. I wish they would reimplement the team command on the map
Не обижайся
В syphon filter1 на ps1 был такой пп
i find your comment funnier than it should be
Imagine thinking you brought a GL on a mission when in reality it's just a goofy magazine full of 9Mak 😖
Mike is just slowly growing his love for Russian weapons and i love it
somewhere around 60K russian and ukranian types live near to his new digs. It's to be expected
Russian weapons are so cool honestly
@@FLAIR__now some ppl will get offended and say "nooo it's a Ukrainian made bla bla😂
Wdym? The ak-105 is his most favourite weapon and it's been like that for a while now.
@@Ripa-Moramee u think u dunno about that ? I'm talking about the overall guns he's been making videos about
You guys should do the Zoolander drill: you clockwise clear a perimeter of targets around you without turning right. I believe, in certain regions, it’s called the “flag-your-friends-until-you’re-so-dizzy-that-you-shoot-them drill.”
I do the Matrix drill, get a bunch of guys with paintball rifles now try to dodge them all, just like Neo.
Is so nice to see the Thumb brothers playing together on a Sunday afternoon.
But Thumb Daddy from Kentucky Ballistics is missing.
I've never actually met any of these dudes and yet I still love them an irrationally large amount.
They are obnoxiously lovable. This is what all of our friend groups would have been like had everyone not been mentally castrated by propaganda war.
It's called a parasocial relationship , maybe you should look into it.
@@chris30555 nah these dudes are just way funnier than any other gun channel
@@chris30555 don’t get me wrong. I love my parasocial relationships, I have even done podcasts about parasocial relationships with people who I have parasocial relationships with
Fr, wish I had friend like them
i mainly love this gun because of the cylindrical mag, killzone was my favorite shooter and the bad guys there had cylindrical mags on all their guns and even an SMG reminiscent of this too
For reloads on the bizon, its a little counter intuitive but holding the mag further forward lets you get a more positive hold on the hooks, which in turn helps keep the rear in alignment when inserting the mag.
Makes sense! Solid advice.
The Bizon was mostly used by russian police, one of the jobs it was built for. Don't remember if FSB used them, but their favorite until the Vityas was a shortbarrel [AS Val] VSS, called the [SR3]m vikhr
Edit: SR3 vikhr AND its modernised version, SR3M
I've seen it a few times at police posts next to ministries.
How is the SR23m a short barrel VSS? It's just a SR23m
It's called sr3m, not sr3m vikhr. You're thinking of sr3 vikhr
Oh, my bad. Ive just always put them in the same family. Same magazine, same round... i mean, its heavily based on the AS Val, the twin of the VSS. I made the mistake of using the sniper config as the example.
In region 11 (Komi Republic) the Bison is in the service of bailiffs. Patrol service: SR 2 Veresk (heather) and AKSu 74. At least in 2001-2010. I don’t know how now. Possibly removed from service.(Google Translate)
Syphon Filter (where they label it as the "Biz-2") was one of my fav late game SMGs
Nostalgia 😢
It was in first SF right?
I can't imagine how difficult it was to block it at 29 rounds.
Extremely difficult and definitely something they 100% did.
I can't imagine how difficult it would be to outrun the bullets.
Why would they have to pin the mag? Aren't high cap mags like 60 round pmags available in his area?
@@jdstark24they are talking about a UA-cam rule
Dad joke for the day: What did the buffalo say to his kid when he left for work?
"Bizon"
It's an okay joke.
You still get a prize 🎖️
As a fellow non-ambiturner I'm envious of how quickly you three managed to make the three point turn during the second drill.
Did you at least manage to kill the prime minister of Malaysia?
No one does shooting montages better than you do, those intros are always so damn crisp.
Micah in videograghy is the best
@@sportsman48 I keep forgetting to sub to his channel but this post finally got me to, Micah is the man, thanks for the reminder.
Back in my day tech9, Uzi, & MP5 were the SMGs of games
Gangster.
Aw shit, here we go again...
No Syphon Filter for you? Came out in 1999 and had the PP19 Bizon available.
@@FUBARguy107 it also had the MP7
Let The Old Retired Go For Modern SIG MPX
What I think that could have made the reloading easier is to keep it the way it is but make the front mount spring loaded. So you wouldn't need to be that precise how to insert the mag. Just push it upwards and be done with it
Imagine a world where the Bizon took over the popularity of the AR 15. We'd have fleshlight cerakoted mags, pringle can cerakote mags, the options are endless.
That’s an AK style gun not an AR
I want a mag that's half helical 9x18 and half pornoslut Fleshlight. Would be great in the field 🤣
Watching Garand thumb go to town on a weapon system just always brings a smile on my face ear to ear
Проблема этого оружия в том что когда его магазин пустеет то теряется баланс при стрельбе. Крепление магазина расшатывается со временем , ну и сам магазин тружно заряжать и такой шнековый магазин очень дорого стоит. Кстати на вооружении у Северной Кореи есть АК-74 с шнековым магазином, видел такие у их пограничников 😃
У мужика на спине молчат дома
@@sixpowers2871 И чего? Капитан Очевидность что ли?
@@sixpowers2871так эта группа относительно популярна, хотя у нас очень малоизвестна
If you have a Bizon and a P90 you should really only need to use mag from each to get the job done
until you have a malfunction. always carry a spare
Caliber.
Call of duty logic is strong with you. 9mm and 5.7 ain’t exactly the two kings of combat.
Not if you're fighting Jaffa/Goauld and Wraith
so...dual wield both?
Also hats off to Charlie and Micah for always having awesome hoodies.... Molchat Doma is always a good mood
Russian Doomer music>>>>>
@@noahnewcomer5180 somehow whenever Molchat Doma plays, I always end up in a track suit
had to scroll too far to find this comment
12:00 I remember reading a shooting magazine in the early 90's, which had a review on the Calico, and a line in particular always stuck in my mind: Your finger will get tired before the magazine runs dry...
I'm guessing it's the same with this beast 👍👍👍👍
I have to say, it's good to see you showing your targets as you shoot now. That has really irked me about many guntuber channels for years.
Loved using something like this thing in Killzone 2. As one of the fastest guns in the game, you really felt every shot.
The guns in that game all felt so good. Hefty and brutal, like the game actually brought out how violent it would be to shoot these guns irl
@@Preussenpenner Facts
Hellghast AR with the underbarrel shotgun was my go to but all of the weapons in KZ2 felt fantastic.
Hello there Mr. Thumb, I find great interest in your Urban survival and Becoming deadly in the mountains series. Although your videos have coverd a wide range of subjects so far, I still miss a couple of subjects that I find to be crutial in survival in an anarchist enviorment. Here are my suggestions which I hope you can cover, love your content by the way, amazing stuff.
1) Team communication over coms/in person (as well as non verbal)
2) Team movement
3) Surveillance/counter surveillance
I could not come up with more, I might edit this over time.
Keep up the gud work Mr. Thumb
Its nice to see Garand Thumb bring his little brother on the channel more
The Bizon was primarily made in 9x18 Makarov but there were some made in 9mm para and 7.62x25 Tokarev for possible export sales. The 9mm para, if I recall used a 64rd drum.
A pp-19 in 7.62x25 would be spicy indeed
They exported to DPRK.
@@bmw328igearhead .30 Carbine ballistics, P90 capacity? Yes, please.
@@labrat810 No wonder The Bizon has always been a video game GOTO firearm eh? Snapper of a round with a bottomless mag, giggidy goo!
Can you imagine this thing in 7.62 tokarev? dang...
Love seeing someone rocking a Molchat Doma hoody. Nice one Micah
So much StA-11 SMG vibes from Killzone 2 and 3🖤.
For being such weapon it was a solid choice both in the campaign and online, aaaah the memories😄
I always like their choice to use real life weapons and rework them a little bit to fit the Killzone's universe.
Glory to the Autarch! Helghan Lives! Visari Forever!
@@Karelwolfpup helghan did nothing wrong
@@patrickbateman3146 Truer words never said.
Killzone was the shit, I gotta go back and replay now for nostalgia.
@@lulz4lulz Brian Cox hit it out the park as Scolar Visari. Just a pity what they did with the franchise.
My favorite gun in Syphon Filter way back in the day
Gabe Logan sees that one handed bizon. He's smiling down from heaven.
i feel like reloads could be easily improved by some little angled ramp like pieces that would direct the tabs into place so that all the user would have to do is slide the mag forward, kind of like a flared magwell.
Imagine if Kyle aka a FPS Russia, was still able to make gun videos, a collaboration with Garand Thumb and Admin would be good so gnarly.
Big come back fir fps Russia?
@@odinz6600 I wish. But he’s a felon now and can’t own any firearms
A new face behind the balaclava?
@@Username_8886 unless laws change, if i remember people are trying to make it so weed related crimes cant effect gun onwership
@@Username_8886 he can't *own* them, but does the law also prevent him from going to a range and renting a gun? Or going to a range and shooting his friends guns?
The magazine design is quite cool. Seems like a pretty good personal security attaché weapon system.
Another reason Bizon got replaced by Vityaz is inability of Russian special forces (Speznaz, FSB, MVD etc.) to cope with weight balance of the gun changing depending on fullness of the magazine
Interesting, never thought of that
В некоторых случаях лучше жевать чем говорить
Sergei asking “did we get paid” is so damn topical with the wagner revolt
I love how every creator in this community is slowly going more full auto over time- Truly Based
Always liked the Calico M955A as an obscure movie gun. Both that and the Bizon have odd magazine systems.
The bloody sound at 5:29 got me so good :D You cannot escape it
10:45 I think a better system would be if there were grooves along the bottom rail that the magazine hooks could slide along until it hits the pins. Then, the procedure is simply find one groove, rock it over, slide it forward, rock it up. Finding a groove is easier than finding a pin, and everything else is anchored on that.
The easiest solution are just bigger grooves and bigger more square'ish pins. So it would be easier to locate them while wearing gloves / in dark environments / while not looking
I must say, your PP performed way better than I thought it would! Wish I could hold it, and get some time to shoot it.
🤔
Why on earth do people use their actual picture with their child In it as their UA-cam account ?
I want to personally thank you for bringing back the kind of comments that made this channel so great……
@@totenfurwotan4478 You're assuming it's his child.
dafuq man
Little known fact, the Bizon magazine also doubles as an M203 grenade launcher.
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Dude, no it doesn’t… It’s obviously a GP-25.
6,244 hours of CS:GO means I've never been more excited for a video release. This was an awesome video!! Thank you Dr Garand Thumb!
Bro you need help lol
@@justryan5697 The dudes who have 10k hours in just Dust 2 alone need help. I need more kills on my stat-track pp bizon
bro i had 15k hours and i stopped playing years ago because my steam and google account somehow was hacked ffs. best skin i lost was a statract factory new awp lightning strike. god forbid you go look up the price and tell me i refuse to at this point...
@shawnfoogle920 yeah last few years skin prices have sky rocketed. There are skins i used to have that were 20 bucks that are like 120+ now. And everything only went up with the cs2 announcement.
@@lolcatsravenight Dust is love, Dust is life
I remember the first time I saw this thing was in the game Syphon Filter, and I was like "wtf, what the hell is this gun?" next day coming home from school I stopped by my local Waterstones and bought a Janes Guns Recognition guide and found it in there. Always liked this funky, if troubled, weapon.
Yooo that’s the first time I’ve seen that game (Syphon Filter) mentioned in a loooong time. Certified OG right here lol ^
@@gman3976 yesh, I am an old, old wolfpup XDD back in my day we had co-op splitscreen for multiplayer, and your internet took eight years to load pornography XDD
@@KarelwolfpupI remember those days well my friend lol! Good times!
If you arent tasing people to flames all game, have you really played Syphon Filter?
@@Kingsnorelax All hail the Mighty Tazer! Cooker of meats and meatheaded goons!
I once owned a Makarov in 9x18, but I gave it to my little brother, as he's basically a girl, and it was perfect for xim/xer.
Gabe Logan prevented a Syphon Filter outbreak with one of these & a taser. We must never forget his memory.
The first game I bought for PlayStation. And so began my Covid larp.
Thought I'd never see one of them this casually covered in a video. wonderful
Freedom Fighters and Operation Flashpoint were my introduction to this thing. Good times.
My wife will love this video. She's a big fan of Smol PP.
In cod ghosts the nixon was my favorite rifle hands down. Nice to actually see what the real one is all about
The "A for Administrative Results" bit had me laughing so hard, my beer came out my nose! This is why I love you guys so f**king much haha!!!
First experience with the Bizon was in the Firearms mod for Half-Life 1. It did good work.
I used to load that and run heavy armor and just spew rounds everywhere lol. Occasionally I would use the anaconda and snipe with it lol.
Always found the gameplay in that mod rather lackluster compared to the other offerings like CS and Day of Defeat, but it did have some cool guns. Was also my introduction to the Bizon.
If you can get a gunsmith to do it, I can think of ways to address the two most blatant problems you complained about.
Changing mags: Make a new handguard that has flares to guide that nose to its pegs.
Loading bullets into mags: Make a modified front plate for that metal mag (12:05) that instead of a lock has a ratchet system (and maybe fold-out wings to give you better leverage turning it).
I run the Bizon exclusively in COD when I need a subgun, because I'm one of those players who believes more bullets=more better. The P-90 is arguably a better weird compact bang box in the real world because it packs almost as many rounds but uses miniature rifle bullets. And as cool as the helical mag is, I'm not sure I trust it. But in COD, it reaps.
Fun fact: The creator of the weapon is Victor Kalashnikov (son of engineer Mikhail Kalashnikov, creator of the AK-47).
No way he got his hands on a bizon and the correct dot. So elite
Mike’s somewhat confused delivery of ‘lemongrass July’ cracked me up for some reason 😂
15:55 "that's a 3000 dollar mag" had me rolling
OK, I officially need a Molchat Doma sweater
Same
3:46 Mmm, surprised to see Molchat Doma hoodie with cyrillics - kinda vibe
I seriously love the design of the Bizon and I’d love to see a western company make some. Helical mags are definitely unorthodox but IMO the ammo capacity far outweighs the cons while still allowing this thing to be super compact. Even if someone came out with a civilian model, you know for damn sure I’d SBR that thing in a heartbeat
It's very admirable that you support your sons UA-cam career so strongly that you would create a successful channel to invite him onto.
Bison is designed to be shot with steel armor piercing ammo for counter terrorism. It’s not really designed for long prolonged shooting scenarios. Quick and fast job.
Finally! I've wanted to see this firearm in real action since I first saw it in Syphon Filter 😊
There are several ways to make the magazine attachment more user friendly.
A large lug on the mag that fits into a flared socket on the gun.
And also a flared guide into the latch.
And as far as the rotating handle on the front of the tube, it could be a folding rotating handle found on chalk-line tools.
That low-key turning left Zoolander reference...absolutely brilliant! hahaha
Man I wish GT would release more videos a week. Videos and the humor make my day
I would actually be curious to try machining some parts to make that magazine attachment mechanism more intuitive. Rather than two tiny pegs that two tiny hooks grab maybe two ~3/8" conical holes with matching conical points on the front of the magazine so you don't have to be as accurate to line it up. It looks like the latch on the back could use some tweaking as well, even with a regular AK the magazine can fit sloppily enough that the spring loaded catch doesn't hold the magazine properly... with this thing having the front hooked in doesn't even help hold it straight when you rock the back into place. I bet a pretty simple solution could be devised for that as well to make loading a magazine less reliant on fine motor control.
Watching this on Veteran's Day, 2024, the day that PSA just announced their PSA AK-V STizon! 15:40
I noticed the Molchat Doma hoodie there, doubt there would be a silent house with you three in it. Great video as always and a fascinating gun. I never noticed that the front of the magazine turns as you fire before.
Therye really good live if u get the chance to see em.
Idk about most popular when there are things like MP5/7 and the Uzi but it is definitely iconic.
Calico made a helical magazine fed upper for Mac lowers.
Didn't expect to see Micah wearing Molchat Doma hoodie, thumbs up.
I wish there was a civilian version of this. I really like the idea of having a compact weapon without a magazine that just sticks out, but is in fact, part of the profile of the gun.
Closest we get is the Kel-tec P50.
There's a guy by the name of FeistyCrawfish / Chitin Defense that makes kits. From his words it's about $1600 when said and done
And isn't chambered in some really weird expensive spicy 22
AR 5.7 upper
Calico, just put the proper tension on the mag spring before you put a bad review out on UA-cam
I have been commenting for this firearm on Brandon videos for like 3 years, on and off. Never thought GarandThumb would be the one to do it.
Been loving the Bizon since I was 14 and played Syphon Filter.
Love seeing the old heads (like me lol) all coming out of the woodwork to reference this classic game lol. Good times!
Dude, I want to know who would win in a flintlock duel: Admin, or Mike.
The idea:
1. Have ballistic gel dummies nut-to-butt with the duelists, have each duelist walk a set number of paces.
2. The duelists (which will be side-by-side) will both face outboard, and fire on said dummies.
3. May the best man win.
The G11 is probably one of the funkiest guns, I'd love to see you find one of those!
I would do anything to hang out with these guys for a day 🤣
Write a ridiculous letter about an impossible shooting feat you pulled off as a pre-meth child!
Just need to have a crazy rare firearm and get in touch with them, then maybe they can fly you over with it for a video shoot.
Anything??? 🤨🤨🤨 (Honestly, me too)
claim you can shoot a can of coke over 700yards with a .22
Claim you can hit a .22 cartridge with a can of coke at over 1000 yards.
I can't believe how cool every of your intro are... From a european pov, i love watching all those firearms i could never try 😂
Absolutely awesome video, despite the corky helical mags it's still an awesome looking sub gun.
Dude...that opening was amazing. The ability that firearm has to maintain its output of metallic body piercing objects is amazing. I think the rate of fire for that mag size is perfect. Not like, for example, the glock 18 spitting out all its ammo in .25 seconds.
I really loke this gun.
Ohhhhhhhh, the kobra,
I bought one from kalinka optics about 20 years ago and, yeah, it's not good. It's great to have a russian optic on one of my AKs but I finally had to take it off for a primary arms dot.
I am thinking of keeping the kobra on my saiga12 though? I think it looks pretty slick on top and accuracy past 50 yards is just not important.
Ugh…nostalgia! I remember one of the characters in the original PS2 Ghost Recon having one of these and playing with my father!
Considering the most awkward parts about the helical mag are the reload procedure and the bulkiness with carrying spares, I wonder if it would have been a good idea to try and design the weapon to take both the helix and a stick mag kind of like a Thompson with drums and sticks.
Have the capacity of the helical mag right from the start but then the speed and ease of the sticks for the reload.
But then I guess it's overcomplicating things for what is essentially just 2 mags in one. A coupler would get you similar capacity and only offer a slight hindrance by comparison.
I had the same idea seeing it. For an ordonance weapon it would be too complicated. But Tompson and PPSh did it back in the day. The amis never used drums for the military, the russian kind of loved them.
But for short fire fights while doing bodyguard work, having a 64 round magazine from the start by just grabbing your weapon without anything else is nead.
But there is a reason why drums never caught on.
I love drum mags man I don't care what anyone says,they are fucking sick
I used to use the Bizon as a suppressed LMG in Operation Flashpoint: Resistance.
oh yeah, you could get one off the Spetsnatz guys if Viki bushwhacks them on the first mission
Best game of all time. I always enjoyed trying to take out the entire spetsnaz team with just the shotgun in the opening mission.
@@adamg574 can't imagine that was easy with the Koszlice being a two shot break action XD
@@Karelwolfpup oh yeah it was hard af 😂 was always fun too at the very beginning running over a Russian soldier with the car, picking up a an AK and trying to repel off the invading force solo. An exercise in frustration mostly, but fun.
@@adamg574 I remember one thing I disliked about Resistance was the looting, was just too difficult to do properly with the inventory system as it was. I mean, it was marginally faster getting your guys to pick up weapons, but jeebus...
The Bizon, or as my friends call it 'The pocket MG'. Suppression for when you can't bring the LMG. Loved that thing in Ghost Recon Wildlands.
With all those rounds on target, you’re due for a score streak
On the back of a hoodie cover "Молчат Дома (Molchat Doma) - Судно (Sudno)"
I’m glad Mike showed the happy switch on his PP.
#GTNotificationSquad
Holy crap dude I did not expect that thing to be so accurate😮
csgo lied to me
@@gew43 you gawdam liy
I remember the first time i used this in MW2R I thought the mag was an underslung grenade launcher.