I think if they just add hiding shots for small dinos all over the map that would be much better, hollow logs, small dens, torn bushes maybe, so if a juvi is smart and hops from hiding spot to hiding spot they can still travel and stay safe if there careful enough, path of titans has map design where there’s a lot of small holes and dens that small Dino’s can use to hide which works well, I feel like they are just kinda over complicating it
I mean hiding spots are kind of already a thing, you spawn, you get diet, you hide somewhere till you need to either eat or drink again. Sanctuaries don't sound to bad, because you can kind of skip that baby stage IF you want to that is. They just need to fix it so players can't abuse it to a ridiculous degree.
This- 100% better idea than the sanctuaries. Cus ive experienced too often of times of reaching the size when the bees start hitting, only to leave the safety to die to carnis waiting outside of it.
Typical The Isle stuff tbh... overcomplicating simple game mechanics, constant hunger and thirst drains and making hunts extremely difficult to do because of the horrible stam nowadays....
Ya know, sanctuaries ironically are making “sit in a random bush in the woods and semi-afk grow” MORE appealing for experienced players. They just leave their spot for food/water, and once they’re full just avoid the sanctuary hotspot until they’re big enough they think they can fend for themselves.
how are sanctuaries making u sit in a random bush and semi afk grow?? You cant be in a sanctuary too long before bees start attacking u (unless u are a troodon) most of the time its hard to find red mushrooms and when u do and fill up its time to get out because those bees will start to sting u soon. Its a place to get some valuable treasure and get out. Atleast for herbis. For carnivores its a place where there might be some easier kills and even so its not so easy because of the dense vegetation.
Would be better imo if sanctuary mushrooms randomly grew on the map but only hatchlings could ingest them and make little hideways all over for juvies to be able to hide in, spread it all out
Food in general should be spread out and actually be in the biomes it claims to be in. The migration system is just as trash as sanctuaries in this regard, it corrals plant eaters to one concentrated area at a time, they just took the hotspot problem and made it worse
I think adults should be able to eat mushrooms too, however it would do jack shit for them. Like grazing barely fills up your food, mushrooms would also barely fill up your food or nutrients
I was thinking of that the other day, they could make it so only juvies can smell the red mushrooms around the map, like finding a special kind of food even outside migration.
Exactly! In nature there are so many hidy holes for smaller animals to go and hide in would make more sense. Also it would be better to impliment more prompts for nesting, or allow for juvis to spawn into existing herds, even if there was a "waiting list" for ppl to check and see if a certain dino has ppl wanting to be nested as. I think it would be better since having migration zones now, it would make it easier to stay with a herd and get nutrients? I dunno just shitting out ideas haha
So, before yesterday i thought:"well, sanctuaries dont look THAT bad!" Yesterday i tried playing gateway for the first time as pachy, in the entrance to the sanctuary? Nothing much, just about 8 TROODONS CAMPING THE ENTRANCE AND WAITING FOR JUVIES TO APPEAR ... And yeah the bees suck too-
Change sanctuaries into the new nesting grounds - done - fixed. * All the befits of the old nesting grounds * Mushrooms can be eaten by ALL creatures, and after 40% they make them sick (much like how weaning milk functions irl- after a certain age creatures naturally become lactose intolerant.) * Base bees attacking on growth percent not weight AND nest proximity- wherein those nesting and hatched from nests are "protected" all others are attacked normally. (or just take the bees out. . . they don't really matter.)
It's a cool idea! Would make it easier for the kids to grow. Downside the bees would attack a nesting parent. Unless they nest near the area but not in it?
@@purpledragon0828they could remove the bees. Honestly I think they should just make super dense forest areas that are big enough for hatchlings and that to roam freely where they can grow that adult carnis are too big to fit rather than these small maze like things.
@@DarkSide_Gaming21338The main intent of the bees was probably to protect against Omnis as they can easily maneuver in the Sanctuarys and are the only adult carnivores that take noticeable damage from them.
There's alot about this update that are questionable, pteras are pretty much dead, sanctuarys are a blood bath, stamina is still too harsh.. but the Devs don't listen, there reply was "I like it"
@@thescorchingpteranodon7986 it is now, but almost unplayable. They nerfed night vision and stam big time, so good luck spawning at night, and good luck being able to fill your diet, as you spend 70% of the time regaining it. And that was a generous percentage given. Played yesterday as one, wont do it again till they fix those two massive issues.
Gotta love how when the community is the most unified it’s when they all hate something, jokes aside I totally agree, the bees being the biggest problem, imagine that you just grew to say… 35% growth and then all of a sudden BAM swarmed by bees and absolutely obliterated, of course they could make it differently but then an adult Carno walks in, murders you along with everyone else and runs out before it dies. In the middle it’s a bit of both, there is simply no way bees can stay in their planned form.
Ideally the bees would slowly get more aggressive as you get closer to the "get the fuck out" growth, and then remaining fully deadly past that. Imagine getting stung a few times, enough to be annoying. Slowly the stings start getting more and more, until you're like, fuck this, then you leave. This is how I assumed it'd be done. Apparently, however, it was not.
@@Val-hz3fc I like that. maybe have the bees do more damage the larger a dino is past the weight threshold, never enough to oneshot anything, but enough to force larger creatures out. Plus, instead of red mushrooms, different sanctuaries can have different nutrition foods to give a "tutorial area" vibe to them.
if u get kiled in a sanctuary by an adult carno then you are doing something wrong.. And i think about sanctuaries as places where u go get a boost (which it is,) and get the fuck out and deal with the world. It's not a place to afk grow our to stay safe. I mean its not supposed to be exactly a safe space as adult troodons can stay there and kill babies easily. But then again u can use the environment to your advantage aswell with all those cycad trees
Honestly they should add a mechanic where how you play as a juvie effects how you are as an adult Running around alot? Your legs are stronger, so you have a boost to stam and speed or smth as an adult Hiding? You’re great at hiding your scent and camouflaging as an adult Grew up in a herd? You get a boost to attacks when surrounded with same species adults Idk just ideas to make you try different things lmao
This is a great idea now main thing is how long it would actually take in to implement specifically when we are talking about the devs of the isle who take an entire 200000 years just to implement footstep particles
What I think is to have the migration icon appear for the juveniles too. In that way give the player the choice to either grow “safe” or “explore” the environments and therefor reward the curiosity in players more
I mean so far community feedback has been uber positive about them, only complaints have been about the bugs that came with them in the test, like bees hunting you across the map, mushrooms giving no nutrients, and bees doing to much damage. Once we get the final completed version of sanctuaries it will be just another awesome addition to the map.
If it appears positive its because they alrdy lost 70% of the community they had. So only the uber fangirls remain. Most people have already given up on the game/the devs. @@Ainz117
One solution could be that herbis are able to spawn near one sanctuary, while carnis can spawn near another, but they're separated by enough distance that it's not practical to try and access the other. Also, I feel a very easy fix is that getting into the sanctuary itself should depend on the dinosaurs size. If you're too large, you simply cannot get in at all. This way we don't have to worry about the crappy trees trying to keep large Dinos out (because clearly they can't). By the time the bees start to sting, it forces players to leave before they grow too large to fit out the exit. Maybe their growth would even temporarily pause until they leave, to reduce the chances of them getting stuck on the way out, similar to how PoT pauses growth if you're in a tight area. I don't know if carni sanctuaries would work all that well, as they will always try to eat each other. I could only see it working if there were specific sanctuaries for each carni, but with how many Dinos will be on the roster, this seems very impractical as time goes on.
People keep saying in the reddit Gateway has better performance, but personally I can't stay above 30 FPS, whilst Spiro was way more stable. Also the map is totally empty. Way too big once again. Can't understand some of the design decision.
Same. Ran Spiro on highest settings with consistent 45-60 fps depending on the amount of people on the server, but now I can barely squeeze 30 fps on Gateway with the LOWEST settings. Frequent dips into 10-15 fps, especially with weather effects or during sunrise/sunset.
Tried out the new update. Spawned in as a juvi pachy and headed to a sanctuary. Got gang jumped by several adult Troodons, while in the sanctuary. Do troodons not get affected by the bees due to their size? Is this a glitch? Regardless, kinda shit how adult dinos can find a workaround to allow them to abuse sanctuaries to get easy meals. I swear a better solution would be just to place a bunch of caves and crevices around the map juvies could hide in. Maybe even keep the sanctuary vegetation around, but not point to it directly - you’ll have to find it yourself by exploring. Also letting the red mushrooms be more rare, but grow all over the map, while making more small AI spawn for small predators (maybe even allow them to sniff for small AI specifically?). You can even have separate diets for adult and baby predators, with adults preferring larger prey and juvies preferring frogs, chickens and similar creatures.
still completely destroys a lot of other features' entire purpose such as the diet system and nesting systems (which are already struggling to be useful)
I think your in the right direction but I was thinking rather than turning them into bigger areas, make them smaller and spread them out across the entire map so small creatures can run from one to the next in short distance bursts. This would prevent sanctuaries from being targeted specifically and prevent them from taking up too much space on the map for larger animals. I don't mind a few large patches like what we have but if they scattered small patches across the entire map to run between it would make travel much safer for juvis. I don't like that sanctuaries are what you smell as a juvi, I think it would be better to just use these sanctuaries to get to migration zones, the mushrooms are great and should stay as it helps juvies get full growth boost.
nesting system was destroyed when they decided to make everything too hungry and thirsty to waste time nesting. The last time I got nested in as a carno my parents left to get food because they were starving, my mother died trying to hunt and my father ended up eating all of us because he was too hurt to fight from starving. @@supermark7075
They don't need sanctuaries they just need the mushrooms all over the map, and ai as well. Then there could be a carnivore equivalent in ai form, like .. ava. It really feels like they realized how terrible it is to get your diets on this map and with the migration system that they HAD to implement sanctuaries as a bandaid trying to fix the massive problem, not enough food availability especially as fresh spawn. All these things they're doing recently make you feel like a bot, go here go there instead of free open play where things are available all over but naturally you'll find players/prey/food more common in certain areas, your self. And the stamina is a joke, don't introduce a huge nerf and call it realism without giving players more opportunities to fix it themselves, hydrating, staying fed, temperature.. what stam is now should be you're doing poorly on everything, not the standard. All it does is makes you want to die because as a carnivore they've made ALL species turn into wolves having to follow their food across the map whilst simultaneously nerfing the means to do it. I got so bored playing gateway (not to mention broke my legs way more than I ever did in spiro, being careful even) I straight up didn't even care if someone walked up to me to bite my face, it would just put me out of my boring misery. There's not enough ai either. The island is NOT alive, but they somehow think they've improved everything.
I bought this game in 2017. Dev work on this game is inefficient, unfocused, and yields varying results and the devs themselves are simultaneously too overbearing when it comes to how players play the game and are seemingly hell bent on ruining the gameplay. I feel like I have been trolled buying this game, which is why I haven't played in years
One thing to note that not a lot of people talk about is that adult Troodon are completely unaffected by bees. I don’t know if it’s a bug or not but it does make for some interesting hunting strategies for troodon, and I personally think it might be supposed to tie in with its mimic ability, imagine mimicking a baby Reno and luring it into a sanctuary where it’s parents can’t help, before eating it
Sanctuaries are the tip of the iceberg of what is going wrong in The Isle development. It's like they don't even understand why and how players play this game. If I want linear gameplay, I choose one of the countless games that follow a narrative. But survival games are about freedom. The freedom of exploration, and most of all, the freedom of deciding what you want to do with your time for YOURSELF. For many years, The Isle allowed you to find your own pace and style of playing. Find a quiet spot and raise a family, socialize with other players, explore the map and enjoy the scenery, look for pvp... But now the game mechanics FORCE you to play in a very specific way. With the sanctuaries, current diet, migration zones and the abhorrent change to the stam system, you are always just running to the mission marker on your compass, then to the next one, and all this while you are constantly out of stam and starving. There is literally no time at all for chilling with your friends, nesting, choosing a territory and kill everything that enters it, whatever people normally do on The Isle. Also, where are people supposed to nest when sanctuaries are mandatory? As soon as the hatches are big enough they have to leave the family behind to go to sanctuaries. Or you nest inside or close to this war zone. It just makes no sense. The map should offer areas of natural protection (vegetation and caves) and special food for juveniles, not a mandatory war zone.
Only herbivores are forced to take part in the sanctuary/migration system, carnivores get to choose where they want to go, AI spawns everywhere and players are constantly falling off cliffs in active servers, providing free food in the areas surrounding migration zones. You are punished if you pick herbivore, the devs hate them
@@TheJakebriscoe Not only unbalanced, but fundamentally un-fun. The only fun thing to do in this game is pvp, and for the more social players it used to be nesting. But nesting is now impossible, since you are forced to travel all the time. And they openly say they don't want players to use this game as "call of duty." But what else are players supposed to do? There is literally nothing else in this game but grow-fight-die-grow-fight-die. So in order to discourage afk growing and pvp, they force players to travel with horrible stam regen and high hunger/thirst. This is not fun, either. And there is no room left for other stuff like exploring the new map. After 2.7 k hours on The Isle, I deinstalled the game. I don't see that this is going anywhere.
@@Melosyna i agree 100%. one of the best things about this game is the social aspect, unfortunely after watching a few video about the lead dev last night, now i know exactly why this game is where its at. Ive never seen a lead dev soo arrogant and nasty towards its player base.
Hey X Zaguer. I'd like to add on to your sanctuaries Video, because I'd argue that sanctuaries are FORCED on some players. When you are a Herbivore (includes Galli), you are FORCED to go to sanctuaries to get your DIETARY requirements. Your ONLY food option you have as a juvenile is the sanctuary mushrooms, and you get no other options of food until you are a certain size. I don't Like the sanctuaries either, as they are extremely chaotic; but if we were able to follow migrations as well as having the option to go a sanctuary, then I'd consider sanctuaries a little bit better, but not as well implemented and devised as they should be. The Developers stated that sanctuaries were going to be OPTIONAL (and to an extent they were right); But HALF the roster is FORCED to go there at least once, unless they want to eat grass and starve until they eventually grow big enough to follow migrations. Forgot to mention that no one wants to wait 1-2 hours just to follow a migration, and no one wants to try getting the nutrients and leaving the death cages. This glaring issue has caused me to stop playing herbi on evrima entirely (which is saying a lot since I'm a tenonto main). I like the idea the devs "were" going for, but forcing an already underpopulated group of players to visit certain death at least once, has already started doing damage to the players and the community as a whole. (also nice vid btw)
yeahhhhh....your not forced, its still an optional thing, you can graze till your migration zone pops up which is what i do frequently as the sanctuaries are often to far away usually.....so this take confuses the hell outa me, it feels like an opinion statement and nothing more. Wait till the full update 7 drops with completed sanctuaries as we are only playing with the stress test sanctuaries atm and they are not finished.
@@Ainz117 so the way it is "optional" is to also temporarily forego another game mechanic, diets? Will the 1 carbs nutrient you spawn with not have disappeared by the time you are grown enough (maybe varies with species)? If so now you have to engage with the new stamina system as a juvi with the malnourished penalty as you make your way to the migration point past the many choke points? I know this is all possible but doesn't sound fun nor intuitive to a non veteran player. Also sounds like a pretty scathing review of the sanctuaries in itself to be willing to do all that or something similar.
@@viktornoren9504 your initial diet when you spawn lasts 20 minutes on top of that when your nutrient goes away you then have 10 minutes to find your diet nutrients before the debuffs start, tis more than enough time to find the diets you need to survive. You get in, you eat, you leave, and then you go to your migration zone and engage with your diet and migration, that in now way forgoes the ENTIRE diet system. Your given more than enough time to survive with your spawn diet, once your migration zone pops up then you just travel there and graze along the way if needed, if a sanctuary is close to your spawn then cool, go there and get the small boost and then leave and travel to your migration once it pops up. I as a veteran player with almost 5k hours in the isle and near 500 hours in the stress test have found the sanctuaries to be a neat and welcome addition and i look forward to seeing the finished versions of them. I haven't had any issues and it hasn't somehow made the entire diet system obsolete.
Not gonna lie, but nobody wants to hang outside of sanctuaries for 2 hours just to try to find their diets. Trust me; I’ve tried and I’ve failed many times
What bugged me about them was that as a carnovore player, you don't have access to any food, unless you stumble across another player. I had multiple cases where I spawned in, went all the long way to one of those senctuaries and there was just noone. It was a full server with around 100 people online. I get the point that you want to motivate players to kill and hunt, but that doesn't work without any prey. They should really add some kind of AI or carcesses in there. Maybe, to still give a reason to hunt other players, make them so they don't give you nutriens. But just giving herbivores some magic mushrooms that give them a perfect diat with all 3 nutriens and carnevores can die, is a very weird choice.
Tbh I haven’t found much issue at all with sanctuaries, they’re neat to explore, and overall they fulfill their purpose from what I’ve seen, at least making it much harder for big Dino’s to traverse them. I get why some don’t like them tho
If they wanted to give fresh spawns a "head start" then JUST HAVE THEM SPAWN WITH FULL FOOD, *especially* carnivores! I spawned in as a baby cerato, nearly starved within 5 minutes because carnis spawn with so little food, found a fish, oops, apparently not supposed to eat fish because my health *kept dropping* and I died. Thanks Dondi, I hate it. I swear, the devs are TRYING to make the game the most frustrating thing ever. They NEED to bring back global chat, at least species specific chat, because walking in giant circles until you starve to death alone is STILL not fun.
Not only are the sanctuaries in need of rework,, as you pointed out there aren't even sanctuaries for land carnivores. And the diet is absolutely nonsensical. As an example, I have raised an Omniraptor, in solo gameplay, five times now. Throughout my growth, I have killed some chickens, frogs, goats, crabs, sea turtles, and one rabbit. Note, that's a total of one rabbit between five characters. Of the things I have eaten, only that damn singular rabbit is on an omniraptor diet...and it doesn't even provide enough sustenance to fill out so much as a single diet hex. This is complete bollocks! Who designed this!?
I think it could work with some change. Making sanctuaries more numerous and smaller could could still provide a safe haven from larger dinos, giving new players a chance to learn agaist each other. Instead of a mushroom offering all 3 nutriants, each sanctuary offers 1 kind of nutriants to continue to encourage exploration. Basicly what the game already does but limited to new baby dinos.
I don't get sanctuaries, they feel completely redundant to me. The only reason I go there is to get my perfect diet as a fresh spawn and then bugger off again. Really I'd rather get my diet naturally by foraging and moving around, but there is barely and diet food for herbis outside migration zones. Lots of odd ideas they came up with lately.
Fr herbivore is boring as fuck now, can’t explore the map and forage because you’ll just lose diet and be an easy target. I used to travel around a lot as herbi in spiro, now i don’t get to enjoy the map on gateway unless i play carni. It’s a trash system made by devs who clearly don’t play half the roster in their own game
I think it would be best to keep Sanctuaries and give the juvies the option to go to them or the migration. Just let them choose how they want to start instead of only giving them one choice. Great video. ~Azura~
They also should’ve kept the migration zone icons when you’re a juvie too. I feel like sanctuaries are the high risk high reward option for juvies, but should still afford the opportunity for fresh spawns to go to the migration zones
The main thing that really annoys me is the fact that migration zones don't show up for juvies anymore. I somewhat get it - you need some sort of clue that you are too big for "safe zones", but... This is like a very "eh" way to do it. Why not just remove the marker for sanctuaries when you are big enough?.. Why is the game pretty much forcing me to go there??? What would be nice is if they, like, added a little bee icon while you're in a sanctuary. If you are starting to get too big - the icon will show up. For now it's just a slightly angry bee... And when you will get too big... A very angry bee. A furious bee. Would be nice if they replaced bees with wasps. And made them actually do serious damage to adults... Would be better if they just replaced them with something else
The thing is, and it is even more common than before, devs want us to go and test the shit out by forcing us to do things. The idea of having both, MZs and sanctuaries on display for juvis is already there but first we must suffer for "the greater good" the same way as with not having ptera on stresstest + the new stam system. People are getting mad because they always see this as a final form that needs to be fixed since it is always poorly executed but at the end of the day, devs themselves have no clue how will players use tools given to them.
I really like the idea of it but from what i've heard and gameplay i've seen it really seems like a subpar feature. Adding a biome of dense underbrush for fresh spawns is a nice idea to work with but when anything else can enter it kinda ruins the whole idea of a safe zone.
I have a few ideas to try and improve sanctuaries without removing them completely: 1 - different sanctuaries for different diets + locations they can go. Land dinos have the sanctuaries we have right now but expand them a bit, add separate ones for herbivores and carnivores (Omnivores go to either). The ones for land dinos are the ones we have now but more improved (ill get to that later) fliers would get sanctuaries up in caves or canyons that allow them to avoid land and semi aquatics (climbers, when we get them, could technically also get up here) and semi aquatics get their own areas with mangroves and underwater logs with small tunnels so beipis can avoid crocs. 2 - food that gives 3 diets for all species (carnivores, herbivores, omnivores but they eat either) thus giving incentive for players to go to these locations. BUT for recommendations ive made before, these foods also spawn outside of the sanctuaries and instead in migration zones, just not in as large of numbers (Plus I wanted normal food to not only to spawn inside migration zones) which means players can choose if they want to go to a sanctuary or migration zone, or if they would rather stay safe in areas with less players. For ideas: Carnivores would get bug nests that they dig through for food, semis get... Salamanders? dont know, seems tasty. And fliers / climbers get glow worms because that seems like a good idea + cave. 3 (Basically just 1, but different) - I feel the sanctuaries need actual ways of stopping larger dinos from leaving or entering. For land dinos I feel these sanctuaries should be grottos of sorts with trees that stop just below an adult ceratos crouching height. Thus stopping most species from entering, those who have stayed to long from exiting and then the bees will take care of the adult species that can make it inside the sanctuaries (I agree with the scaling of damage compared to weight so for this we will take it as if that is in effect. Along with this for any other creatures I mention as dino deterrent) Semi aquatics get lush mangroves with roots that stop larger crocs from entering, but big enough for an adult beipi to get through, along with some logs for the smalls to dive through to escape eachother. Possibly we could get some aggressive fish that swarm adult beipis and crocs that are too large to leave / get in somehow. The fliers, or climbers if they make it up there, get expansive and open cave systems, these areas are unable to be reached by creatures that can only walk or swim and thus allow safe places for players to grow and learn how to fly. For the dino deterrent I feel...bats? This one is a hard one but possibly just very very angry bats once your too large for their liking. These are my main ideas, and of course these can always be changed and tweaked. If we are looking for true sanctuary vibes and not just a hiding spot then adding water to all these locations would work, just very very shallow water, I dont trust some of the juvies ive seen to not manage to drown in a puddle.
Yeahhh honestly I think this could be fixed if 1. More hiding spots for smaller Dino’s were around the map anyways. And 2. Migrations worked for babies so your regular food spawned normally as well. That way babies can choose to go to either the sanctuary or try to rough it out. That would immediately lower how many baby herbis could be found in sanctuaries and thus make it less likely for carnivores to go there for reliable food.
I propose an idea to replace Sanctuaries, directly tieing to the use of Sauropods as well--select areas in Gateway where Sauropods can knock down trees, gradually transforming a forest or rainforest into a tropical grassland. The location would have a health bar, altering the environment based on its status. If minimally affected, it remains suitable for smaller dinosaurs like juveniles, Dyrosaurus, Hypsi, and Troodon. As the area is cleared, larger dinosaurs gain access, and the environment transitions from rainforest to woodland, then bushland, and finally a grassland. Each stage unlocks different food sources for herbivores and specific carnivores. Animals with preferences for particular stages are notified by smell, ensuring they can easily identify the preferred environment.
But it'd give Sauropods something to do, and would actually be a interesting mechanic which allows various playables to access foods that could help with growth. Come on, it would be cool to see a Camara or Pue knock down trees and eat the fruits on them. @@bigsnugga
Apparently bee damage is % based, its the same damage % to all Dino's regardless of size, same as as the little Petro on bodies, Juvies do get a warning sting to leave if they are over-staying their welcome
I really don't know why sanctuaries are a thing considering its so easy to survive juvie life as basically anything as the foliage is so dense you can walk through the shrubbery as any species and be basically invisible. I don't personally do the "get fat and afk in a bush" strat, ever, because i don't think the game is ONLY fun when you're adult, and even though i'm not skilled at gameplay i've been able to get every species to adult during solo play lol rather than having sanctuary zones, i'd make the 'baby mushrooms' spawn randomly and somewhat rarely everywhere on the map - make them non-edible past a certain growth, and either make a carni equivalent that spawns much more rarely, or make them edible for carnis too but for a shorter amount of time / it only fills up a small amount of your food bar or gives you some other debuff ( as naturally carni gameplay is intended to be more difficult to herbivores )
the whole update disappointed me tbh. The map is MASSIVE, so you need to get around to find food. But what did they do? Made it so dinosaurs take 2 years to regain stamina, so you just end up dying of starvation. The sanctuary that I was at (and im assuming the rest are similar) was extremely small, so I had to travel through cracks and crevices which is ridiculous because how am I supposed to find food without seeing where it is?? The whole update disappointed me, I was excited but I'm not gonna play gateway until they fix the god awful stamina.
One thing I think could work would be removing the sanctuaries altogether and taking the red mushrooms and putting them all across the map instead. The diet would basically work like it currently does, but once you reach a certain growth percentage, you no longer get any nutrients from them, and they turn into the equivalent of a "leaf", so you can still eat them, but they won't really benefit you, which would encourage foraging for adults foods.
I really don't like the idea of the mushrooms, because those literally force you to go to sanctuaries as a juvi herbi so you can fill up tripple diet to grow faster. Everything else would just prolong your growth time (having to look for all 3 nutrients in the migration zones, then getting bad luck and one is missing and so on).. Just not efficient. Tbh the mushrooms giving all 3 diets is my biggest problem with this. Then again this might motivates people to play herbis more and not have like a 4:1 carni:herbivore ratio on every server. It's definitely a good thing carnis don't have an equivalent for this (if it stays like this). Nesting will be meaningful once "mutation -" and "perk system" is out and you have the chance to get a better dino from it. As for the bees I don't really care about those, gameplay will just be go there, fill up all diets and leave again... Staying there, being a hot spot, would just be an unnecessary risk tbh.
Another solution would be to make them a option, atm you cant even eat your normal diet as a juvi. If we would have the choice of go to the sanctuary or just go towards the migration zone like normal all would be fixed. Now we just forced to go into the deathpit. I like the concept but making it a must go there was the wrong decision. I'm sure they will make it allot better in time. Hope we don't have to wait another year for it XD .
Once there's like 8 sanctuaries (one for every spawn point and a bit more) then overpopulation will be fixed. Bees doing more damage to larger creatures exponentially, while starting off low, basically fixes the adult problem. Simply having an abundance of diet plants and the occasional mushroom fixes the diet not being introduced to new players problem. I think weight should remain as the border point, but maybe up it so juvies can get like three quarters through to sub. Once there's 12 sanctuaries with all these fixes, overpopulation would be a thing of the past, except for maybe the sancts closest to hotspot spawns. Also, to plagiarise off another commenter, more hidey holes. Hollow logs, super tall trees for climbers and flyers, caves, dens underneath trees, underwater caves (though there's already at least one), etc etc etc. Overall, let juvies grow to adult and actually play the game. Also, a tutorial and den-making for dryos, maybe tree burrowing for pteras etc
Some of this is false. Bees are just as dangerous to a juvi as to an adult. It takes a a % of damage rather than a set amount. Also, adults or dinos too large to linger in the sanctuary cannot eat other carcasses inside it. So it’s a waste of time, energy, and health to go after juvis there.
I vaguely understand the logic as to of why they felt the need to make sanctuaries, although the whole idea also kind of goes in the face of the game as a concept. As for how it was implemented it's more annoying over anything else.
In the beginning, I always targeted the sanctuary. But if I was very far away, by the time I got there, the bees had already attacked me. There were several times that the carnivores within the area did not leave much to rest. If the game would also provide them with sanctuaries, in which they could catch small creatures, then they would help everyone a lot. Carnivores would also go to these first and only then go hunting other players. Of course, there would always be those who would choose the other way, but basically this would be the easier one and the more reasonable one for many. The migration area is usually very good, based on food. I always struggle with the diet in the beginning. As long as the first effect lasts and I find some other basic food, no problem. But if somehow I couldn't find good foods for my diet, my progress would slow down and everything would be much more difficult. Those who are already experienced and know the map like the back of their hands are sure to chuckle and shake their heads at how much of a loser they are who can't find the right plants for their diet. But there are many beginner players and those who, let's say, are not so exploratory types. And they just want to survive on this dangerous island.
To fix the issue of adult carnis like ceras and carnos being able to enter the sanctuary with little to even no difficulty, I think they should literally just make the bees deal more damage, and make it just a LITTLE denser, they would also make juvies not stay there for too long once they get old enough. As for food, perhaps carnis can eat honey from the beehives
7:25 Sanctuaries are not optional for Beipis (that's the only herbi I've played recently so I don't know if it counts for others/all) as it forces you to go there by removing all other diets until 45%, or somewhere around there. Not even schools of fish are a diet until the certain growth.
It’s also cool to travel in them, with a pack or solo, also can meat eaters that are small like baby raptor hunt baby trikes and stuff in the sanctuary? If so I’m all for it cause that’s like a horror game tbh
It is blatantly clear that both sanctuaries and migration zones were made to cater to carnivores at the expense of herbivores and omnivores. It does not help juveniles, it does not help herbivores or omnivores, and it does not make the game more exciting or fun, all it does it funnel juvies and herbivores in to death traps where they can get jumped by 20 carnos and ceratos. If herbivores do not go to these artificial hot spots, they are punished with huge stat debuffs from lack of diet, meanwhile carnivores can find diet food at all corners of the map and grow in safe, less trafficked areas and then make the trip to the migration zones or sanctuaries once they reach adult to slaughter juvies with ease
A way to fix it imo would be to have extensive caves be accessible to sanctuaries, introduce more mushrooms with different effects for each dinosaur (including some that cause sickness and hallucinations), and to have the dense foliage be filters to the caves and secluded areas, that way the big dinos cant enter, they act as gateways to the outside, but because there would be SO many entry ways it would be impossible for older players to camp most of the juvies.
If the devs wanted to make sanctuaries safe from adults, they could've made a slowing debuff inside the sancturies that scales with how big the dinosaur is. Of course this means stuff like troodon wouldn't be affected as much as ceratos or carnos, but it should slow adults down enough to make ambushing juvies inside sancturaries nearly impossimble. On the other hand, the devs could take a less realistic approach and base the slowing debuff based puerly on growth. This would make ambush from any adult impossible, while being less punishing on juvies than the current bees. Furthermore, the slowing debuff would make adult herbis too slow to get their minimum requirements in terms of food and water, thus preventing sanctuaries from being a herbivore paradise. But I do agree that the sancturies are fundamentally flawed and shouldn't exist in the first place.
Gateway is a hot mess. The only thing going for this update is the new map, and the map itself is not well optimized - I have inconsistent frames to the point it is sometimes unplayable. Note that on Spiro I had steady 45-60 fps with high/epic settings, meanwhile on Gateway on LOWEST settings I have frequent dips to 10 fps, especially during dawn/dusk. It's very frustrating. All of these new "features" like stam changes, migrations, and sanctuaries were supposed to make the world dynamic and natural, but in practice feel artificial and strenuous to play - while I see where they're coming from with these ideas, I agree 100% it has been executed terribly. They should just toss sanctuaries altogether and add hiding spots all around the map instead as other comments have been suggesting.
Here’s how I’d do it. Instead of each sanctuary being a pretty large area with its own scent icon, they’d be little pockets of dense map geometry in some form speckled across the map with different ranges of sizes. The biggest ones would be similar looking to the current ones, but with denser plants, and thick collisionless foliage in the form of flowering plants along the edges of the area. They wouldn’t have any diet plants, maybe some grass, but a couple of puddles speckled around, to wait out predators. Changes to the bees I’d make are to make the damage proportional to health, as in draining by a percent of maximum health, although this would be low, killing a creature in around 5 minutes of being afk. However, it’d make your creature a bit slower, and make it shake its head around periodically, stopping you from attacking. The purpose of these sanctuaries is to let juvis grow for a little bit without being worried, but promoting them getting off their ass and dashing for food at the first chance. Smaller pockets would be a bit more common, and could take different forms depending on which biome you’re in, hers a couple of examples: In swamps it could be a large tangle of old mangroves with large, thick roots to provide physical protection, and with smaller mangroves along the edge of the clump at around bush heights, for visual cover. Additionally could have some mud under the bigger trees to wallow. Along the beaches or in a mountainous, rocky biome, it could be a large slab of rock, around 6-7 Stegos long, with cracks large enough for juvies to walk in, and deep enough that they can’t be bitten from above. These smaller ‘sanctuaries’ wouldn’t have bees, and would only serve to give juvis temporary shelter to lose anything chasing them.
3:38 i just did some testing on a free admin server, they do a % based damage it seems, it takes the same amount of hits to kill an adult tenontosaurus and "just outside of size range" juvenile cera.
Also just a side thing, I already do this, and know many others who do, just get your diet, and afk grow your dino. Hasn't ended and probably never will, because baby stage is not where the fun is, its Sub-adult to Full growth. Exceptions would be if your nested in, but thats it. Also the exploration bit is a pretty bad complaint, because its not as if you die once your fully grown, you can still explore as a sub or full adult.
Not sure if someone else has mentioned this already, but this hurts deino gameplay too. I played a deino almost all of Gateway before and after it was moved to Evrima branch, and before sanctuaries were added there was enough pop passing through my usual hunting grounds I could reliably maintain at least two diet slots. After sanctuaries though, it's usually a ghost town situation where I regularly have to settle for schooling fish (not enough elite fish) which leads to a terrible diet with a massive debuff that drops my dmg from 500 to 375 -among other crippling debuffs. The map is also huge with water sources either being fully cut off from each other (to the point it's suicide to try migrating from one to the other) or it's that big af river that covers far too much area to be able to pinpoint a reliable food source location to camp. Not to mention that river has several bridges and relatively thin points that make crossing almost 100% safe, thus denying even more food for deinos. Back to sanctuaries though, the reason I think they're the cause of less food for deinos is that people aren't traveling across rivers or visiting lakes/ponds as much anymore. People spawn in, make a bee line for sanctuaries, and then any friends they have also make a bee line for the sanctuaries too to pick up their juvi friends.
The new south plains sanctuary is a war zone or Troodon camping spot, and the semi new swamp SZ is good for herbs but has no one there so not even doable as a carnivorous, they should just make the mushrooms edible for everyone I think the bees damage balance numbers is proof the devs don’t know what they’re doing. Gateways bad design is also proof of that. Mutations have made nesting very appealing for everyone right now, but for the larger dinosaurs it is almost impossible to do because it takes so long to get up to 80-100% growth and find someone else that big to nest with
I went there as a baby Carno spawning in, by the time I got there I had no food left and found there was no one there on a full server btw, would have been better off just running somewhere random and finding food honestly
I think Sanctuaries could function well if they nyxed the superfood mushrooms and just have all three foods types available within the Sanctuary separately, like they are elsewhere, so juves can still achieve optimal diet and new players can investigate the different food types naturally in the protected environment while making the protective foliage denser and possibly adding more hiding spots within Sanctuaries and having the bees be more prevalent; causing scaling bleed damage as well as applying illness to anything that's not an herbivorous or omnivorous juve
How about a walled off area, via a few SMALL caves to a hollowed out volcano (so u can still have sky) and while in the sanctuary you cannot exceed a certain growth%. To continue developing youd have to leave. That would limit the adult KOSers, prevent juvies from growing beyond a certain point and gorging on victims. And make the place a huge section (hence inside a hollowed out volcano) Thats my initial idea. Its likely not fool proof but i think it cuts back on a lot of the worst issues Being held at max % while in the sanctuary may seem unrealistic. But whod wanna stay that smol For long? It can be assumed you’re slowing time for yourself by staying or something. Because you’re meant to leave at that point. The issue is preventing adults from going Purge on the juvies in there, while also giving them no reason to stay beyond a certain point Either THAT, Orrr have the food within bi longer offer nutrition after a certain % like a maturing diet rather than pausing their growth outright, you can slow it down via diet to where they would have poor diet and growing so slowly that theyd have no reason to stay
i have an idea how a concept like sactuaries could work and first change would be to make bees not do damage but a specific poison instead that is aplyed in percentage this would be a threat to any dinosaur equaly baby or not, and the second change would be to make the red mushrooms not give any nutrients or diets just giving a temporary growth boost and making them edible to all dinos becaus even taking into acount realism, most carnivores still sometime eat specific plants and mushroom and sanctuaries are not a very realistic concept to begin with. but now with these changes made sanctuaries are not ment to be a place for juvis to stay at but for youg dinos to pass through, get a growth boost, find with other dinos to maybe group with and adults will have less incentive to go there because mushrooms dont provide any food forcing herbies to move on to find food and carnie will therefore also stay there less. there still is the issue with adult carnies comming to sanctuaries to get easy food but the bees and herbies only passing through and not staying will hopefully help also why can adults smell sanctuaries making them be smellable from further away while your small would just be the obvious solution.
They should add that when you are attacked by bees, your dino can't attack as its head is stuck in a shaking animation, trying to avoid bee stings while taking percentage-based damage. Also, sanctuaries should be optional. They should be something that gives you a nice growth buff from the get-go but are sometimes risky and sometimes quite safe, depending on the player population and server you are on. You should always have the option to play normally if you wish. Carnivores should also have a special AI that allows them to hunt in the sanctuaries if no other dinos are available to hunt. Like some mole or lizard you can dig up, which will give you all the diets, or just let them eat mushrooms too. As sanctuaries are small, I think 5 different ones would be a good number. This way, sanctuaries wouldn't feel like a battle royale at the Chuck E. Cheese's
I think Sanctuaries can be a good idea. It just needs some tuning. Make bees deadlier to adult dinos, add more sanctuaries (they’re apparently going to do that), add a food source for baby carnis (like bugs that aren’t bees, but fighting other babies can keep the game play from being stale and help new players learn a bit on how to hunt), and while I think the areas could be more dense it’s probably better to not make it too dense so babies that stay too long don’t get stuck (let the bees do their job). As for nesting, I think it will be fine. Why? Well it’s already dead but from what I can recall the devs are going to make it so nesting gives you benefits (dna and skins or something like that). So once nesting gets a usefulness it will be much more lucrative. I’d also suggest giving parents/groups a buff for having nests or nested babies. The sanctuaries can provide a safe place for spawned little ones while nested little ones shouldn’t need them. That’s my ideas. I think sanctuaries can be a good thing, but this whole problem could be solved if they didn’t spawn players into being so young to begin with.
honestly, it would be fixed if they gave the juvie the migration spot back on the hud so you can just ignore the sanctuary, thats what i do because i know most migrations spot, at least for tenonto etc
I agree with most of your points but I'd also say that it is believed that many baby dinos sought refuge in the undergrowth which they had to abandon when they grew up, so the idea isn't that flawed, and furthermore you can always explore and "learn" how to play once you grow up. I'm not saying it doesn't needs fixing but maybe removing it isn't the real solution, they could for instance fix some of the nesting mechanics too
I think more people might've been complaining more about Ptera's stam then sanctuaries, imo. When I looked in the "Isle Discussion" chat a few times. I think sanctuaries can work. But there needs to be more things done for that to obviously happen. 1. They should act as a semi tutorial zone for the noobs. 2. Anything larger than a crouching Dryo should never be able to get in. 3. The mushrooms can still be there for an extra boost of nourishment, BUT, also including the individual diet plants. 4. Youngsters need fall dmg resistance to leave, and if they don't leave by the time they hit %30, they will start getting stung by the bees. 5. Bee dmg by weight and not a fixed dmg ratio. And like some other people have already said, the map should have more places to hide from larger creatures. The game is still a W.I.P. of course and it'll probably take another 10 years before it's been totally finished and perfected.
Remember when gateway was meant to be the thing to "save the isle"? Oh how naive we were, honestly this update has really exceeded my expectations. I just wish it exceeded them in a good way. It does prove something though at least to me, the devs or the ones who decide balancing really don't play there own game and they enjoy actively annoying there community. IDK how they messed up so bad making Carno OP, Pachy now being useless, raptor now taking virtually 0 skill and is now so much less fun to play, ptera is just afk simulator waiting for stam to regen which btw PLS DEVS REVERT STAMINA BACK TO THE OLD SYSTEM. It is funny tho just in the worst way possible lol. Sanctuary's is just the icing on the cake for me, on a cake made of dogshit. I'll miss you U6.5 you weren't perfect but you were at least fun and better than whatever this update is.
I like sanctuaries! But make them completely inaccessible for adults (the fact troodons are always able to get in there just means we have troodon juvi hunters), or turn them into an initial spawn area that once you leave it you can never return to. I would be okay to make it herbi exclusive too, as they kinda already are catering more towards herbi players anyway. So i appreciate the idea, but the execution rly needs some rework
I think a good fix would be to make sanctuaries work like migration zones. Certain ones are active and others aren't at certain periods forcing you to have to travel if the sanctuary fades.
No? Since they would move like Migrations it forces people to have to travel in order to find the next safe zone if they want that protection@@mospusthespider1246
If Sanctuaries as a safe zone are failing, make it a gameplay acceleration point instead. These are my proposed ideas. 1. Have 4 quadrants of the map be Sanctuary zones have carnivore and Herbivore specific ones 'grow' randomized in those spawns. And have a internal decay rate where the foliage falls apart overtime. More players inside the sanctuary speed up the decay rate where the foliage breaks apart forcing player movement. 2. Make it so Adults Can trample the 'grown' foliage. When trampling Adults hit the bees nests causing % Dmg so the adults have to carefully look where they're stomping. 3. Make Herbivore Sanctuary a place where all kinds of Herbivore food spawn specifically and have Carnivore specific ones spawn a lot of bunnies, Fish, Boars, stuff carnivores only want.
They do look beautiful, gateway is astonishing to look at. - The ultra-fix the game needs where you can also avoid sanctuaries and make it more fun to play - When starting a new dinosaur, your growth progress is NOT lost when you die, until you reach adult size, dying as an adult resets the growth on that species. So you start from scratch. That way you can keep it out in the open, no sanctuaries need to be made. ( thereby reducing development time. ) ALSO, if they filled the map just a bit more with AI entities, carnivore players could rely more on AI. Dinosaur AI, we already see, Teno, Juvi omni's and cera's, If each area had some animals spawn in, including inside forests, the stress would be reduced on juvi players. Thereby again, negating the need to develop and add sanctuaries. The Isle has implemented many ideas and removed them later on, It is a fad that has to stop. - A dinosaur survival game is very basic. Legacy version already had the basics for it, and if it werent for the bugs, and if it had enough AI, or players on the server, it would have worked. Doesn't take to much, from there on out, to add grab mechanics, organs, diets, sents, poisons, weather. Yet, somehow, it took them 8 years to get there. Not judgemental, it is a game born out of experimentation is what it feels like, at some point they wanted some dinosaurs to cloak. But they really should just work on the dinosaurs, the AI, the ecosystem, the weather. Not add sanctuaries, it is a feature that could just be natural, one biome has more plants and more foliage. Not specifically designed around a theme. Keeping in mind that they basically want to build an entirely new game out of the isle, the Marine biome, with playable dinosaurs and ecosystems in the ocean... Which just as much will need space, AI fish and big animals. deep spots and places for juvi's to hide. It is like building a new version of the isle, though they are good at it and i hope they succeed.
If they delete sanctuaries I hope they still try to fix them first. Like they could make it so that both migration zones and sanctuaries show up on the compass for juveniles so they have two clear options along with their regular diet plants outside of mushrooms
it's a simple fix. Do what PoT does where sanctuaries are just a part of the map design and not a system. No special diet plants or bees, just areas with dense foliage or tight spaces like small caves where juvies can hide. The devs ended up just making a mountain out of a molehill
couldn't agree more, have you any thoughts on the stam rework? I personally think it destroys what little balance the game had but I'm interested on your thoughts about it.
sanctuaries are great. The issues that you mentioned - can (and already have been) fixed. For instance bee damage - you just up it, or add some negative effect, or make it a blurry vision, or make it gradually increase in damage and add log lasting effects, etc. This is tweakable in so many ways. I'm a new players and sanctuaries are a blessing. When I first hatched as a stega, I was shocked. How the hell I'm supposed to survive, I'm small and slow. IRL baby dino is spported and protected by big and strong parents. In a game you are alone. So the sanctuary in essence replaces the parrents by providing safe space to grow.
Not my experience so I will share mine. I have played The Isle for about a week now, shortly after you made this video. I've played on official Evrima servers when they were full. I haven't met a single dino at the sanctuary except one other herbivore. Apparently no one goes there anymore? This leaves me all the mushrooms and they also spawn OUTSIDE the sanctuary under the plants with big leaves. This allowes you to eat the shrooms under the plants almost completely hidden and the eating makes barely any sound if at all. I also tried playing as carnivores but we're so busy trying not to die at the cannibal spawn campers all the time and if you do make it to the sanctuary, theres no one there. Maybe players have found the same strategies and are eating the shrooms unnoticed? I like playing beipiaosaurus that is omnivore and you can just ignore the sanctuary and start eating fish from the beginning. Herbivores with the Grace ability can eat grass until they unlock their proper menu. You do not get nutrients until you unlock the menu but most herbivores grow so fast you don't really need it. I've seen videos where adults try to kill juvies in the sanctuary but the vines get in the way and they die very fast to the bees and possibly lose their prey while chasing them. The vines are not to prevent adults to get into the sanctuary but slow or hinder the chase so bees can deal enough damage. Personally I'd like to have the main food menu from the start and remove the mushrooms from the list when you grow too big to be in the sanctuary. It's good to have sanctuary as an early game option. But at the moment it feels a bit too forced on some dinos.
As an actual fresh newbie player, dude, the game is without any sort of tutorial, trust me, I had enough exploration to do as a fresh spawn, as I didnt even know how to lie down:-D Diet system is still wayyyy above my level of exploration:-D
If they have a lot of sanctuaries, increase the density and make the wording effect for adult dinos, much more difficult for them to overcome. I could see it working. The other thing they need to do is add a lot more AI for carni
I remember this same thing happened with the nesting grounds, they were cool in concept but ended up being deaths traps (Especially for herbivores) to the point almost nobody uses them...
i think they can fix it we just need to be able to see the migration zone on top of our other diets instead of just the mushroom so new players know they have options
i find it ironic how, due to the new stamina system, the best time to explore the map is as a juvie. but the game tempts me to stay put and do nothing instead and get that free diet. by the time i can see the migration zone, migrating becomes a slog because i can no longer run to it.
I feel like sanctuaries should have a underground system only certain sized dinos can enter. Though still leaves the problem for carnis vs herb is there. Make it so that cars can only go into the thing a certain distance. Two safe areas for both, but still kinda difficult. That's just my take on it.
Honestly, sanctuaries would've been fine if they were *just* a type of biome without the bees and a symbol for you to follow. A small, rare area that only small dinos can go to? It would've been so fun to stumble upon them by exploring, and with unique red mushrooms (and maybe some kind of giant beetle for carnivores?) that gives them all three diets? It would feel like a reward! The *community* would have considered them sanctuaries, much like the "pachy heaven" in Spiro.
Maybe have them be in a underground facility, where Juvies can spawn and grow to a certain percentage, by setting a death timer on them so they know, if I stay I die. Everyone will know what percentage it is, and for new players just have it automatically appear when they get 5% towards that threshold, hey actually have that just be a thing that appears for all players, as for leaving, make them have to choose one of the regular spawn locations, so it teleports their dino to that location zone, making it harder for adult Carni's to camp. Also they can make the experience optional, so if you want to get baby stage out the way you have a way to skip most of it. As for Carni's have meat platforms spawn for them that does the same has the red plants for Herbi's. Probably best to make it a no damage zone, but if you want to practice fight you can, and will get on hit noise notifications, but just doesn't do damage.
The devs have said they have over 20+ sanctuaries ready to be added to the map, the only reason there is so few on the map atm is that they are being tested, we dont have the final version of sanctuaries.....not even remotely close, they will be tweaked to be properly balanced as they get data on whats happening with them in the stress test atm, i get my nutrients and leave as there is 0 point in staying once i have my diets. Also they should remove the sanctuary icon for carnivores in my opinion as you will just starve and die going there, your better off finding a teno Ai, Ai wildlife, or other fresh spawn player to stay alive on. Lets be honest, only way your dying to the bees as a juvi is if you purposely stay in there to long, if you dont immediatly leave once you have your diets filled then that's your issue. Again might just of been my luck or experience so far, but ive never seen an adult carnivore near sanctuaries....besides troodons, and that was a few times in the 150 hours ive played with sanctuaries, and from my experience you will starve and die if you try to rely on the juvi dinos coming to sanctuaries, they dont give anywhere near enough food to sustain an adult carnivore let alone a pack. So again in my opinion they should remove the sanctuary icon from every carnivores huds besides troodons, i exclude troodons because they are small and it makes for a fun dynamic in sanctuaries for them to be able to go in and hunt the juvies Some of your takes confuse me quite a bit, at the start the sanctuaries were crowded cause everyone wanted to see them so it feels like your opinion is coming from the initial hype and overcrowded scenarios that only came with their initial release, but now (from my experience) you barely ever find anyone there as anyone who plays the game on the regular knows not to stay long and besides once you get that perfect diet growth buff you grow out of the sanctuary very quick, but like i said once you get your diets filled you should already be leaving immediatly as your migration zone will soon show up and its time to literally grow up and out of relative safety. Also sanctuaries are only meant for you to visit once and then leave, i have 0 clue how this somehow keeps people from exploring the map....you go there, you get diets, and you leave to explore and then find your migration zone once it comes up, your not forced to stay, hell your not even forced to go to the zone, its optional, you can 100% survive without it, but the diet boost is nice hence why its a decent incentive for a herbie juvie to visit should a zone be close. How on earth would people be confused about their diets once they leave the sanctuaries to their migration zones, literally every single diet option is explained and your told what every plant is and what diet it gives and your even told where you can find them, you can find your diets outside migration zones in the areas your diet details your plants can be found, but its uncommon to do so. The sanctuaries dont keep people from learning....thats a crazy claim, It feels like you think anyone who is semi new to the game will be to dumb to figure anything out.....this system is sooooooo easy to learn, its simply a zone that can give a boost to herbivore juvies should they make the journey there that has bees that attack once your a certain size....I will say that tutorial tips are greatly needed in game for newer players to ease the learning curve, like what we had in legacy and then once you knew everything you had the option to turn the tips off I love your videos man, but this one is just not it.........keep up the good work tho, i would hope your opinion changes on this topic once we get the finished version of sanctuaries as we are only playing with the test version atm.
It's like the biggest problem with a designated nesting ground was made known via the feedback channels and the devs went "wait why don't we do that for ALL fresh spawns?"
I'm new to the Isle but I've clocked in over 60 hours over the last week. Super enjoying the game. Sanctuaries suck though, and to be honest I started just ignoring them entirely and going straight to where I know my next diet will be... it seems really pointless to even bother with a sanctuary if you even have a clue of what you're doing. I agree with others saying they should include little branches to hide under and mushrooms in the rest of the map for babies to be able to explore more freely.
Though sanctuaries are flawed, I think one of the benefits it does have is that it would (in theory) allow very small dinosaurs like troodon or pteranodon to fill in a sort of 'mini apex' niche within the sanctuary, as typically the other larger carnivores wouldn't be able to access it, giving them zero competition within that zone.
I have the same opinion tbh, like why can't hatchlings just follow migration routes like the rest, but idk, there would be shrooms spawning on migration area that only hatchlings can eat and migration area would have small hiding spots where only babies fit in?
I don’t see how anyone can actually defend sanctuaries, as soon as I heard of them I thought “this is going to be a nightmare” and I was entirely correct. There is NO justifying the sanctuaries existence.
Well, people say juvi stage is boring. Now it is not xD You can have intense fights without the need of being full adult. There you have some justifying.
@@Bleghspread The Juvie stage could be a lot less boring by you know, giving juvies something they have that adults don’t have. Juvie dinosaurs would’ve had drastically different body builds to their adult counterparts so why not give them something they can do that adults can’t? An example of this would be to make Juvie T-Rex be able to be more of a pursuit predator than adult Rexes since they could run for longer distances. Sanctuaries do not make Juvie growth more fun, it makes it more of a pain in the ass as you’re just going to be gang banged by giant groups of various Juvie and adult dinosaurs at every given turn.
I think if they just add hiding shots for small dinos all over the map that would be much better, hollow logs, small dens, torn bushes maybe, so if a juvi is smart and hops from hiding spot to hiding spot they can still travel and stay safe if there careful enough, path of titans has map design where there’s a lot of small holes and dens that small Dino’s can use to hide which works well, I feel like they are just kinda over complicating it
Like pot has
Also caves would be cool as well, not just big caves but small caves too
I mean hiding spots are kind of already a thing, you spawn, you get diet, you hide somewhere till you need to either eat or drink again. Sanctuaries don't sound to bad, because you can kind of skip that baby stage IF you want to that is. They just need to fix it so players can't abuse it to a ridiculous degree.
This- 100% better idea than the sanctuaries. Cus ive experienced too often of times of reaching the size when the bees start hitting, only to leave the safety to die to carnis waiting outside of it.
Typical The Isle stuff tbh... overcomplicating simple game mechanics, constant hunger and thirst drains and making hunts extremely difficult to do because of the horrible stam nowadays....
Ya know, sanctuaries ironically are making “sit in a random bush in the woods and semi-afk grow” MORE appealing for experienced players. They just leave their spot for food/water, and once they’re full just avoid the sanctuary hotspot until they’re big enough they think they can fend for themselves.
he running around eating stuff nowhere near them at all XD
The game is forcing you to do afk grow even if you dont want to during night time because of the shitty NV some dinos have.
every one acting like afk grow was never a thing....
@@Bleghspread
how are sanctuaries making u sit in a random bush and semi afk grow?? You cant be in a sanctuary too long before bees start attacking u (unless u are a troodon) most of the time its hard to find red mushrooms and when u do and fill up its time to get out because those bees will start to sting u soon. Its a place to get some valuable treasure and get out. Atleast for herbis. For carnivores its a place where there might be some easier kills and even so its not so easy because of the dense vegetation.
@@Diobot You clearly don’t understand what I said and missed the part where I specifically said “afk in the woods” not “afk in the sanctuary”:
Would be better imo if sanctuary mushrooms randomly grew on the map but only hatchlings could ingest them and make little hideways all over for juvies to be able to hide in, spread it all out
Food in general should be spread out and actually be in the biomes it claims to be in. The migration system is just as trash as sanctuaries in this regard, it corrals plant eaters to one concentrated area at a time, they just took the hotspot problem and made it worse
I think adults should be able to eat mushrooms too, however it would do jack shit for them. Like grazing barely fills up your food, mushrooms would also barely fill up your food or nutrients
I was thinking of that the other day, they could make it so only juvies can smell the red mushrooms around the map, like finding a special kind of food even outside migration.
Exactly! In nature there are so many hidy holes for smaller animals to go and hide in would make more sense. Also it would be better to impliment more prompts for nesting, or allow for juvis to spawn into existing herds, even if there was a "waiting list" for ppl to check and see if a certain dino has ppl wanting to be nested as. I think it would be better since having migration zones now, it would make it easier to stay with a herd and get nutrients? I dunno just shitting out ideas haha
someone get this man a computer and get him on the project
So, before yesterday i thought:"well, sanctuaries dont look THAT bad!"
Yesterday i tried playing gateway for the first time as pachy, in the entrance to the sanctuary? Nothing much, just about 8 TROODONS CAMPING THE ENTRANCE AND WAITING FOR JUVIES TO APPEAR
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And yeah the bees suck too-
I am fully convinced that the devs added migration zones and sanctuaries with the intention of them being camped by carnivore packs
Yeah, but still, there are better ways to include them
Yeah sanctuary is not worth going to at the brand new south plains SZ because Troodons camp the area
@@somerandomperson6511kinda the point. Sanctuary’s are so people can shelter and small car is can hunt, migrations are for carnis to have their diets
Change sanctuaries into the new nesting grounds - done - fixed.
* All the befits of the old nesting grounds
* Mushrooms can be eaten by ALL creatures, and after 40% they make them sick (much like how weaning milk functions irl- after a certain age creatures naturally become lactose intolerant.)
* Base bees attacking on growth percent not weight AND nest proximity- wherein those nesting and hatched from nests are "protected" all others are attacked normally. (or just take the bees out. . . they don't really matter.)
It's a cool idea! Would make it easier for the kids to grow. Downside the bees would attack a nesting parent. Unless they nest near the area but not in it?
@@purpledragon0828they could remove the bees. Honestly I think they should just make super dense forest areas that are big enough for hatchlings and that to roam freely where they can grow that adult carnis are too big to fit rather than these small maze like things.
@@DarkSide_Gaming21338The main intent of the bees was probably to protect against Omnis as they can easily maneuver in the Sanctuarys and are the only adult carnivores that take noticeable damage from them.
@@VitorSilva-ee7vb that would make sense
@@purpledragon0828 it would theoretically protect any dino that has an active nest and hatchlings.
There's alot about this update that are questionable, pteras are pretty much dead, sanctuarys are a blood bath, stamina is still too harsh.. but the Devs don't listen, there reply was "I like it"
Pteras are just horrible. Was one of my favorites, now just unplayable. Spent 99% of my time regaining stam, and dying of starvation in the process.
Are pteras even playable right now?
@@thescorchingpteranodon7986 if you want to call it that.
@@Rhaenarys last time I played it was not in the selection menu.
@@thescorchingpteranodon7986 it is now, but almost unplayable. They nerfed night vision and stam big time, so good luck spawning at night, and good luck being able to fill your diet, as you spend 70% of the time regaining it. And that was a generous percentage given. Played yesterday as one, wont do it again till they fix those two massive issues.
Gotta love how when the community is the most unified it’s when they all hate something, jokes aside I totally agree, the bees being the biggest problem, imagine that you just grew to say… 35% growth and then all of a sudden BAM swarmed by bees and absolutely obliterated, of course they could make it differently but then an adult Carno walks in, murders you along with everyone else and runs out before it dies. In the middle it’s a bit of both, there is simply no way bees can stay in their planned form.
Ideally the bees would slowly get more aggressive as you get closer to the "get the fuck out" growth, and then remaining fully deadly past that.
Imagine getting stung a few times, enough to be annoying. Slowly the stings start getting more and more, until you're like, fuck this, then you leave.
This is how I assumed it'd be done. Apparently, however, it was not.
@@Val-hz3fc I like that. maybe have the bees do more damage the larger a dino is past the weight threshold, never enough to oneshot anything, but enough to force larger creatures out. Plus, instead of red mushrooms, different sanctuaries can have different nutrition foods to give a "tutorial area" vibe to them.
if u get kiled in a sanctuary by an adult carno then you are doing something wrong.. And i think about sanctuaries as places where u go get a boost (which it is,) and get the fuck out and deal with the world. It's not a place to afk grow our to stay safe. I mean its not supposed to be exactly a safe space as adult troodons can stay there and kill babies easily. But then again u can use the environment to your advantage aswell with all those cycad trees
Unify against Dondi, he needs to learn that actions have Consequences
@@Diobot The Troodons are a good point and if the bees a purely based on weight, would the Troodons ever be attacked by them?
Honestly they should add a mechanic where how you play as a juvie effects how you are as an adult
Running around alot? Your legs are stronger, so you have a boost to stam and speed or smth as an adult
Hiding? You’re great at hiding your scent and camouflaging as an adult
Grew up in a herd? You get a boost to attacks when surrounded with same species adults
Idk just ideas to make you try different things lmao
Actually great
This is an amazing idea!! I love it
Good idea brother.
This is a great idea now main thing is how long it would actually take in to implement specifically when we are talking about the devs of the isle who take an entire 200000 years just to implement footstep particles
@@trolgeeeeee that's the kicker 😭 see you in 4 years when they add functioning nightvision 😞
What I think is to have the migration icon appear for the juveniles too. In that way give the player the choice to either grow “safe” or “explore” the environments and therefor reward the curiosity in players more
I wonder if Migration Zones would end up safer than Sanctuaries for herbivores as they can hide among their herd.
"What matters is how they (devs) will face the communities feedback..."
yeah I think we all know where this is going lol
"i think we all know where this is going so let's just skip to the end"
I mean so far community feedback has been uber positive about them, only complaints have been about the bugs that came with them in the test, like bees hunting you across the map, mushrooms giving no nutrients, and bees doing to much damage.
Once we get the final completed version of sanctuaries it will be just another awesome addition to the map.
If it appears positive its because they alrdy lost 70% of the community they had. So only the uber fangirls remain. Most people have already given up on the game/the devs. @@Ainz117
One solution could be that herbis are able to spawn near one sanctuary, while carnis can spawn near another, but they're separated by enough distance that it's not practical to try and access the other. Also, I feel a very easy fix is that getting into the sanctuary itself should depend on the dinosaurs size. If you're too large, you simply cannot get in at all. This way we don't have to worry about the crappy trees trying to keep large Dinos out (because clearly they can't). By the time the bees start to sting, it forces players to leave before they grow too large to fit out the exit. Maybe their growth would even temporarily pause until they leave, to reduce the chances of them getting stuck on the way out, similar to how PoT pauses growth if you're in a tight area. I don't know if carni sanctuaries would work all that well, as they will always try to eat each other. I could only see it working if there were specific sanctuaries for each carni, but with how many Dinos will be on the roster, this seems very impractical as time goes on.
People keep saying in the reddit Gateway has better performance, but personally I can't stay above 30 FPS, whilst Spiro was way more stable.
Also the map is totally empty. Way too big once again. Can't understand some of the design decision.
Same. Ran Spiro on highest settings with consistent 45-60 fps depending on the amount of people on the server, but now I can barely squeeze 30 fps on Gateway with the LOWEST settings. Frequent dips into 10-15 fps, especially with weather effects or during sunrise/sunset.
Tried out the new update.
Spawned in as a juvi pachy and headed to a sanctuary.
Got gang jumped by several adult Troodons, while in the sanctuary.
Do troodons not get affected by the bees due to their size? Is this a glitch? Regardless, kinda shit how adult dinos can find a workaround to allow them to abuse sanctuaries to get easy meals.
I swear a better solution would be just to place a bunch of caves and crevices around the map juvies could hide in. Maybe even keep the sanctuary vegetation around, but not point to it directly - you’ll have to find it yourself by exploring.
Also letting the red mushrooms be more rare, but grow all over the map, while making more small AI spawn for small predators (maybe even allow them to sniff for small AI specifically?). You can even have separate diets for adult and baby predators, with adults preferring larger prey and juvies preferring frogs, chickens and similar creatures.
it does have some problems, but it could be useful if the devs tweak it (bigger area, carnivore food equivalent, bees actually stopping adults)
still completely destroys a lot of other features' entire purpose such as the diet system and nesting systems (which are already struggling to be useful)
I think your in the right direction but I was thinking rather than turning them into bigger areas, make them smaller and spread them out across the entire map so small creatures can run from one to the next in short distance bursts. This would prevent sanctuaries from being targeted specifically and prevent them from taking up too much space on the map for larger animals. I don't mind a few large patches like what we have but if they scattered small patches across the entire map to run between it would make travel much safer for juvis. I don't like that sanctuaries are what you smell as a juvi, I think it would be better to just use these sanctuaries to get to migration zones, the mushrooms are great and should stay as it helps juvies get full growth boost.
nesting system was destroyed when they decided to make everything too hungry and thirsty to waste time nesting. The last time I got nested in as a carno my parents left to get food because they were starving, my mother died trying to hunt and my father ended up eating all of us because he was too hurt to fight from starving. @@supermark7075
They don't need sanctuaries they just need the mushrooms all over the map, and ai as well. Then there could be a carnivore equivalent in ai form, like .. ava. It really feels like they realized how terrible it is to get your diets on this map and with the migration system that they HAD to implement sanctuaries as a bandaid trying to fix the massive problem, not enough food availability especially as fresh spawn. All these things they're doing recently make you feel like a bot, go here go there instead of free open play where things are available all over but naturally you'll find players/prey/food more common in certain areas, your self. And the stamina is a joke, don't introduce a huge nerf and call it realism without giving players more opportunities to fix it themselves, hydrating, staying fed, temperature.. what stam is now should be you're doing poorly on everything, not the standard. All it does is makes you want to die because as a carnivore they've made ALL species turn into wolves having to follow their food across the map whilst simultaneously nerfing the means to do it. I got so bored playing gateway (not to mention broke my legs way more than I ever did in spiro, being careful even) I straight up didn't even care if someone walked up to me to bite my face, it would just put me out of my boring misery. There's not enough ai either. The island is NOT alive, but they somehow think they've improved everything.
Nothing will stop adults from entering to eat the new spawns, those bees would have to straight up one shot you to prevent that
I bought this game in 2017. Dev work on this game is inefficient, unfocused, and yields varying results and the devs themselves are simultaneously too overbearing when it comes to how players play the game and are seemingly hell bent on ruining the gameplay. I feel like I have been trolled buying this game, which is why I haven't played in years
One thing to note that not a lot of people talk about is that adult Troodon are completely unaffected by bees. I don’t know if it’s a bug or not but it does make for some interesting hunting strategies for troodon, and I personally think it might be supposed to tie in with its mimic ability, imagine mimicking a baby Reno and luring it into a sanctuary where it’s parents can’t help, before eating it
Sanctuaries are the tip of the iceberg of what is going wrong in The Isle development. It's like they don't even understand why and how players play this game.
If I want linear gameplay, I choose one of the countless games that follow a narrative. But survival games are about freedom. The freedom of exploration, and most of all, the freedom of deciding what you want to do with your time for YOURSELF.
For many years, The Isle allowed you to find your own pace and style of playing. Find a quiet spot and raise a family, socialize with other players, explore the map and enjoy the scenery, look for pvp...
But now the game mechanics FORCE you to play in a very specific way. With the sanctuaries, current diet, migration zones and the abhorrent change to the stam system, you are always just running to the mission marker on your compass, then to the next one, and all this while you are constantly out of stam and starving.
There is literally no time at all for chilling with your friends, nesting, choosing a territory and kill everything that enters it, whatever people normally do on The Isle.
Also, where are people supposed to nest when sanctuaries are mandatory? As soon as the hatches are big enough they have to leave the family behind to go to sanctuaries. Or you nest inside or close to this war zone. It just makes no sense.
The map should offer areas of natural protection (vegetation and caves) and special food for juveniles, not a mandatory war zone.
Only herbivores are forced to take part in the sanctuary/migration system, carnivores get to choose where they want to go, AI spawns everywhere and players are constantly falling off cliffs in active servers, providing free food in the areas surrounding migration zones. You are punished if you pick herbivore, the devs hate them
Brain dead decision made by clown shoe devs that couldn’t balance this game even if they tried. One clueless change after another
@@TheJakebriscoe Not only unbalanced, but fundamentally un-fun.
The only fun thing to do in this game is pvp, and for the more social players it used to be nesting. But nesting is now impossible, since you are forced to travel all the time. And they openly say they don't want players to use this game as "call of duty."
But what else are players supposed to do? There is literally nothing else in this game but grow-fight-die-grow-fight-die.
So in order to discourage afk growing and pvp, they force players to travel with horrible stam regen and high hunger/thirst. This is not fun, either. And there is no room left for other stuff like exploring the new map.
After 2.7 k hours on The Isle, I deinstalled the game. I don't see that this is going anywhere.
@@Melosyna i agree 100%. one of the best things about this game is the social aspect, unfortunely after watching a few video about the lead dev last night, now i know exactly why this game is where its at. Ive never seen a lead dev soo arrogant and nasty towards its player base.
Hey X Zaguer. I'd like to add on to your sanctuaries Video, because I'd argue that sanctuaries are FORCED on some players. When you are a Herbivore (includes Galli), you are FORCED to go to sanctuaries to get your DIETARY requirements. Your ONLY food option you have as a juvenile is the sanctuary mushrooms, and you get no other options of food until you are a certain size. I don't Like the sanctuaries either, as they are extremely chaotic; but if we were able to follow migrations as well as having the option to go a sanctuary, then I'd consider sanctuaries a little bit better, but not as well implemented and devised as they should be. The Developers stated that sanctuaries were going to be OPTIONAL (and to an extent they were right); But HALF the roster is FORCED to go there at least once, unless they want to eat grass and starve until they eventually grow big enough to follow migrations. Forgot to mention that no one wants to wait 1-2 hours just to follow a migration, and no one wants to try getting the nutrients and leaving the death cages. This glaring issue has caused me to stop playing herbi on evrima entirely (which is saying a lot since I'm a tenonto main). I like the idea the devs "were" going for, but forcing an already underpopulated group of players to visit certain death at least once, has already started doing damage to the players and the community as a whole. (also nice vid btw)
^this, it isn't really optional for herbivores+gallis.
yeahhhhh....your not forced, its still an optional thing, you can graze till your migration zone pops up which is what i do frequently as the sanctuaries are often to far away usually.....so this take confuses the hell outa me, it feels like an opinion statement and nothing more.
Wait till the full update 7 drops with completed sanctuaries as we are only playing with the stress test sanctuaries atm and they are not finished.
@@Ainz117 so the way it is "optional" is to also temporarily forego another game mechanic, diets?
Will the 1 carbs nutrient you spawn with not have disappeared by the time you are grown enough (maybe varies with species)?
If so now you have to engage with the new stamina system as a juvi with the malnourished penalty as you make your way to the migration point past the many choke points?
I know this is all possible but doesn't sound fun nor intuitive to a non veteran player. Also sounds like a pretty scathing review of the sanctuaries in itself to be willing to do all that or something similar.
@@viktornoren9504 your initial diet when you spawn lasts 20 minutes on top of that when your nutrient goes away you then have 10 minutes to find your diet nutrients before the debuffs start, tis more than enough time to find the diets you need to survive.
You get in, you eat, you leave, and then you go to your migration zone and engage with your diet and migration, that in now way forgoes the ENTIRE diet system.
Your given more than enough time to survive with your spawn diet, once your migration zone pops up then you just travel there and graze along the way if needed, if a sanctuary is close to your spawn then cool, go there and get the small boost and then leave and travel to your migration once it pops up.
I as a veteran player with almost 5k hours in the isle and near 500 hours in the stress test have found the sanctuaries to be a neat and welcome addition and i look forward to seeing the finished versions of them. I haven't had any issues and it hasn't somehow made the entire diet system obsolete.
Not gonna lie, but nobody wants to hang outside of sanctuaries for 2 hours just to try to find their diets. Trust me; I’ve tried and I’ve failed many times
What bugged me about them was that as a carnovore player, you don't have access to any food, unless you stumble across another player. I had multiple cases where I spawned in, went all the long way to one of those senctuaries and there was just noone. It was a full server with around 100 people online. I get the point that you want to motivate players to kill and hunt, but that doesn't work without any prey. They should really add some kind of AI or carcesses in there. Maybe, to still give a reason to hunt other players, make them so they don't give you nutriens. But just giving herbivores some magic mushrooms that give them a perfect diat with all 3 nutriens and carnevores can die, is a very weird choice.
AI already spawns at every corner of the map
Tbh I haven’t found much issue at all with sanctuaries, they’re neat to explore, and overall they fulfill their purpose from what I’ve seen, at least making it much harder for big Dino’s to traverse them. I get why some don’t like them tho
They turn the map into a few hot spots, everyone concentrates in the sanctuary… that’s not how it’s supposed to be
@@zrakonthekrakon494I have just not seen that tbh, I hardly ever find anyone at sanctuaries. Although my experience isn’t everyone else’s.
If they wanted to give fresh spawns a "head start" then JUST HAVE THEM SPAWN WITH FULL FOOD, *especially* carnivores!
I spawned in as a baby cerato, nearly starved within 5 minutes because carnis spawn with so little food, found a fish, oops, apparently not supposed to eat fish because my health *kept dropping* and I died. Thanks Dondi, I hate it.
I swear, the devs are TRYING to make the game the most frustrating thing ever. They NEED to bring back global chat, at least species specific chat, because walking in giant circles until you starve to death alone is STILL not fun.
If you are starving on an active server as a cerato you clearly have issues lol
Not only are the sanctuaries in need of rework,, as you pointed out there aren't even sanctuaries for land carnivores. And the diet is absolutely nonsensical. As an example, I have raised an Omniraptor, in solo gameplay, five times now. Throughout my growth, I have killed some chickens, frogs, goats, crabs, sea turtles, and one rabbit. Note, that's a total of one rabbit between five characters. Of the things I have eaten, only that damn singular rabbit is on an omniraptor diet...and it doesn't even provide enough sustenance to fill out so much as a single diet hex. This is complete bollocks! Who designed this!?
I think it could work with some change. Making sanctuaries more numerous and smaller could could still provide a safe haven from larger dinos, giving new players a chance to learn agaist each other. Instead of a mushroom offering all 3 nutriants, each sanctuary offers 1 kind of nutriants to continue to encourage exploration. Basicly what the game already does but limited to new baby dinos.
I don't get sanctuaries, they feel completely redundant to me. The only reason I go there is to get my perfect diet as a fresh spawn and then bugger off again. Really I'd rather get my diet naturally by foraging and moving around, but there is barely and diet food for herbis outside migration zones. Lots of odd ideas they came up with lately.
Fr herbivore is boring as fuck now, can’t explore the map and forage because you’ll just lose diet and be an easy target. I used to travel around a lot as herbi in spiro, now i don’t get to enjoy the map on gateway unless i play carni. It’s a trash system made by devs who clearly don’t play half the roster in their own game
I think it would be best to keep Sanctuaries and give the juvies the option to go to them or the migration. Just let them choose how they want to start instead of only giving them one choice. Great video.
~Azura~
They also should’ve kept the migration zone icons when you’re a juvie too. I feel like sanctuaries are the high risk high reward option for juvies, but should still afford the opportunity for fresh spawns to go to the migration zones
Stamina regen has to be the first fix.
The main thing that really annoys me is the fact that migration zones don't show up for juvies anymore. I somewhat get it - you need some sort of clue that you are too big for "safe zones", but... This is like a very "eh" way to do it. Why not just remove the marker for sanctuaries when you are big enough?.. Why is the game pretty much forcing me to go there???
What would be nice is if they, like, added a little bee icon while you're in a sanctuary. If you are starting to get too big - the icon will show up. For now it's just a slightly angry bee... And when you will get too big... A very angry bee. A furious bee.
Would be nice if they replaced bees with wasps. And made them actually do serious damage to adults...
Would be better if they just replaced them with something else
The thing is, and it is even more common than before, devs want us to go and test the shit out by forcing us to do things. The idea of having both, MZs and sanctuaries on display for juvis is already there but first we must suffer for "the greater good" the same way as with not having ptera on stresstest + the new stam system. People are getting mad because they always see this as a final form that needs to be fixed since it is always poorly executed but at the end of the day, devs themselves have no clue how will players use tools given to them.
@@Bleghspread yeah, that does make sense... Wish devs would be more honest with stuff like this
I really like the idea of it but from what i've heard and gameplay i've seen it really seems like a subpar feature. Adding a biome of dense underbrush for fresh spawns is a nice idea to work with but when anything else can enter it kinda ruins the whole idea of a safe zone.
The first time I was killed by the bees as a juvi, I was so confused and betrayed
I have a few ideas to try and improve sanctuaries without removing them completely:
1 - different sanctuaries for different diets + locations they can go. Land dinos have the sanctuaries we have right now but expand them a bit, add separate ones for herbivores and carnivores (Omnivores go to either). The ones for land dinos are the ones we have now but more improved (ill get to that later) fliers would get sanctuaries up in caves or canyons that allow them to avoid land and semi aquatics (climbers, when we get them, could technically also get up here) and semi aquatics get their own areas with mangroves and underwater logs with small tunnels so beipis can avoid crocs.
2 - food that gives 3 diets for all species (carnivores, herbivores, omnivores but they eat either) thus giving incentive for players to go to these locations. BUT for recommendations ive made before, these foods also spawn outside of the sanctuaries and instead in migration zones, just not in as large of numbers (Plus I wanted normal food to not only to spawn inside migration zones) which means players can choose if they want to go to a sanctuary or migration zone, or if they would rather stay safe in areas with less players. For ideas: Carnivores would get bug nests that they dig through for food, semis get... Salamanders? dont know, seems tasty. And fliers / climbers get glow worms because that seems like a good idea + cave.
3 (Basically just 1, but different) - I feel the sanctuaries need actual ways of stopping larger dinos from leaving or entering. For land dinos I feel these sanctuaries should be grottos of sorts with trees that stop just below an adult ceratos crouching height. Thus stopping most species from entering, those who have stayed to long from exiting and then the bees will take care of the adult species that can make it inside the sanctuaries (I agree with the scaling of damage compared to weight so for this we will take it as if that is in effect. Along with this for any other creatures I mention as dino deterrent) Semi aquatics get lush mangroves with roots that stop larger crocs from entering, but big enough for an adult beipi to get through, along with some logs for the smalls to dive through to escape eachother. Possibly we could get some aggressive fish that swarm adult beipis and crocs that are too large to leave / get in somehow. The fliers, or climbers if they make it up there, get expansive and open cave systems, these areas are unable to be reached by creatures that can only walk or swim and thus allow safe places for players to grow and learn how to fly. For the dino deterrent I feel...bats? This one is a hard one but possibly just very very angry bats once your too large for their liking.
These are my main ideas, and of course these can always be changed and tweaked. If we are looking for true sanctuary vibes and not just a hiding spot then adding water to all these locations would work, just very very shallow water, I dont trust some of the juvies ive seen to not manage to drown in a puddle.
this prolly the best alternative ive read good job
Yeahhh honestly I think this could be fixed if 1. More hiding spots for smaller Dino’s were around the map anyways. And 2. Migrations worked for babies so your regular food spawned normally as well.
That way babies can choose to go to either the sanctuary or try to rough it out. That would immediately lower how many baby herbis could be found in sanctuaries and thus make it less likely for carnivores to go there for reliable food.
Personally I find them mad fun, it’s so cool to have fights in the lil trees, tho it was poorly executed
I propose an idea to replace Sanctuaries, directly tieing to the use of Sauropods as well--select areas in Gateway where Sauropods can knock down trees, gradually transforming a forest or rainforest into a tropical grassland. The location would have a health bar, altering the environment based on its status. If minimally affected, it remains suitable for smaller dinosaurs like juveniles, Dyrosaurus, Hypsi, and Troodon.
As the area is cleared, larger dinosaurs gain access, and the environment transitions from rainforest to woodland, then bushland, and finally a grassland. Each stage unlocks different food sources for herbivores and specific carnivores. Animals with preferences for particular stages are notified by smell, ensuring they can easily identify the preferred environment.
Wayyy to difficult to implement
I wouldn't think so, it would take a good amount of work and revisions, but it could be done.@@topg2639
bro wants a dinosaur logging game 😂
But it'd give Sauropods something to do, and would actually be a interesting mechanic which allows various playables to access foods that could help with growth. Come on, it would be cool to see a Camara or Pue knock down trees and eat the fruits on them. @@bigsnugga
@@DocumentarianWeady this is a good idea but its hard to implement but def possible
Apparently bee damage is % based, its the same damage % to all Dino's regardless of size, same as as the little Petro on bodies, Juvies do get a warning sting to leave if they are over-staying their welcome
I really don't know why sanctuaries are a thing considering its so easy to survive juvie life as basically anything as the foliage is so dense you can walk through the shrubbery as any species and be basically invisible. I don't personally do the "get fat and afk in a bush" strat, ever, because i don't think the game is ONLY fun when you're adult, and even though i'm not skilled at gameplay i've been able to get every species to adult during solo play lol rather than having sanctuary zones, i'd make the 'baby mushrooms' spawn randomly and somewhat rarely everywhere on the map - make them non-edible past a certain growth, and either make a carni equivalent that spawns much more rarely, or make them edible for carnis too but for a shorter amount of time / it only fills up a small amount of your food bar or gives you some other debuff ( as naturally carni gameplay is intended to be more difficult to herbivores )
the whole update disappointed me tbh.
The map is MASSIVE, so you need to get around to find food. But what did they do? Made it so dinosaurs take 2 years to regain stamina, so you just end up dying of starvation. The sanctuary that I was at (and im assuming the rest are similar) was extremely small, so I had to travel through cracks and crevices which is ridiculous because how am I supposed to find food without seeing where it is?? The whole update disappointed me, I was excited but I'm not gonna play gateway until they fix the god awful stamina.
One thing I think could work would be removing the sanctuaries altogether and taking the red mushrooms and putting them all across the map instead. The diet would basically work like it currently does, but once you reach a certain growth percentage, you no longer get any nutrients from them, and they turn into the equivalent of a "leaf", so you can still eat them, but they won't really benefit you, which would encourage foraging for adults foods.
I really don't like the idea of the mushrooms, because those literally force you to go to sanctuaries as a juvi herbi so you can fill up tripple diet to grow faster. Everything else would just prolong your growth time (having to look for all 3 nutrients in the migration zones, then getting bad luck and one is missing and so on).. Just not efficient. Tbh the mushrooms giving all 3 diets is my biggest problem with this. Then again this might motivates people to play herbis more and not have like a 4:1 carni:herbivore ratio on every server. It's definitely a good thing carnis don't have an equivalent for this (if it stays like this).
Nesting will be meaningful once "mutation -" and "perk system" is out and you have the chance to get a better dino from it.
As for the bees I don't really care about those, gameplay will just be go there, fill up all diets and leave again... Staying there, being a hot spot, would just be an unnecessary risk tbh.
Another solution would be to make them a option, atm you cant even eat your normal diet as a juvi. If we would have the choice of go to the sanctuary or just go towards the migration zone like normal all would be fixed. Now we just forced to go into the deathpit. I like the concept but making it a must go there was the wrong decision. I'm sure they will make it allot better in time. Hope we don't have to wait another year for it XD .
Once there's like 8 sanctuaries (one for every spawn point and a bit more) then overpopulation will be fixed. Bees doing more damage to larger creatures exponentially, while starting off low, basically fixes the adult problem. Simply having an abundance of diet plants and the occasional mushroom fixes the diet not being introduced to new players problem. I think weight should remain as the border point, but maybe up it so juvies can get like three quarters through to sub. Once there's 12 sanctuaries with all these fixes, overpopulation would be a thing of the past, except for maybe the sancts closest to hotspot spawns.
Also, to plagiarise off another commenter, more hidey holes. Hollow logs, super tall trees for climbers and flyers, caves, dens underneath trees, underwater caves (though there's already at least one), etc etc etc. Overall, let juvies grow to adult and actually play the game.
Also, a tutorial and den-making for dryos, maybe tree burrowing for pteras etc
Dondis just killing his game at this point, I wish he would just sell it so we could see the isles true potential.
Some of this is false. Bees are just as dangerous to a juvi as to an adult. It takes a a % of damage rather than a set amount. Also, adults or dinos too large to linger in the sanctuary cannot eat other carcasses inside it. So it’s a waste of time, energy, and health to go after juvis there.
Isle make a good decision challenge (impossible)
I vaguely understand the logic as to of why they felt the need to make sanctuaries, although the whole idea also kind of goes in the face of the game as a concept. As for how it was implemented it's more annoying over anything else.
In the beginning, I always targeted the sanctuary. But if I was very far away, by the time I got there, the bees had already attacked me. There were several times that the carnivores within the area did not leave much to rest. If the game would also provide them with sanctuaries, in which they could catch small creatures, then they would help everyone a lot. Carnivores would also go to these first and only then go hunting other players. Of course, there would always be those who would choose the other way, but basically this would be the easier one and the more reasonable one for many. The migration area is usually very good, based on food.
I always struggle with the diet in the beginning. As long as the first effect lasts and I find some other basic food, no problem. But if somehow I couldn't find good foods for my diet, my progress would slow down and everything would be much more difficult. Those who are already experienced and know the map like the back of their hands are sure to chuckle and shake their heads at how much of a loser they are who can't find the right plants for their diet. But there are many beginner players and those who, let's say, are not so exploratory types. And they just want to survive on this dangerous island.
To fix the issue of adult carnis like ceras and carnos being able to enter the sanctuary with little to even no difficulty, I think they should literally just make the bees deal more damage, and make it just a LITTLE denser, they would also make juvies not stay there for too long once they get old enough. As for food, perhaps carnis can eat honey from the beehives
7:25 Sanctuaries are not optional for Beipis (that's the only herbi I've played recently so I don't know if it counts for others/all) as it forces you to go there by removing all other diets until 45%, or somewhere around there. Not even schools of fish are a diet until the certain growth.
I honestly feel like sanctuaries make the rest of the map safer for fresh spawns just by existing
It’s also cool to travel in them, with a pack or solo, also can meat eaters that are small like baby raptor hunt baby trikes and stuff in the sanctuary? If so I’m all for it cause that’s like a horror game tbh
It is blatantly clear that both sanctuaries and migration zones were made to cater to carnivores at the expense of herbivores and omnivores. It does not help juveniles, it does not help herbivores or omnivores, and it does not make the game more exciting or fun, all it does it funnel juvies and herbivores in to death traps where they can get jumped by 20 carnos and ceratos. If herbivores do not go to these artificial hot spots, they are punished with huge stat debuffs from lack of diet, meanwhile carnivores can find diet food at all corners of the map and grow in safe, less trafficked areas and then make the trip to the migration zones or sanctuaries once they reach adult to slaughter juvies with ease
A way to fix it imo would be to have extensive caves be accessible to sanctuaries, introduce more mushrooms with different effects for each dinosaur (including some that cause sickness and hallucinations), and to have the dense foliage be filters to the caves and secluded areas, that way the big dinos cant enter, they act as gateways to the outside, but because there would be SO many entry ways it would be impossible for older players to camp most of the juvies.
If the devs wanted to make sanctuaries safe from adults, they could've made a slowing debuff inside the sancturies that scales with how big the dinosaur is. Of course this means stuff like troodon wouldn't be affected as much as ceratos or carnos, but it should slow adults down enough to make ambushing juvies inside sancturaries nearly impossimble. On the other hand, the devs could take a less realistic approach and base the slowing debuff based puerly on growth. This would make ambush from any adult impossible, while being less punishing on juvies than the current bees.
Furthermore, the slowing debuff would make adult herbis too slow to get their minimum requirements in terms of food and water, thus preventing sanctuaries from being a herbivore paradise.
But I do agree that the sancturies are fundamentally flawed and shouldn't exist in the first place.
Gateway is a hot mess. The only thing going for this update is the new map, and the map itself is not well optimized - I have inconsistent frames to the point it is sometimes unplayable. Note that on Spiro I had steady 45-60 fps with high/epic settings, meanwhile on Gateway on LOWEST settings I have frequent dips to 10 fps, especially during dawn/dusk. It's very frustrating. All of these new "features" like stam changes, migrations, and sanctuaries were supposed to make the world dynamic and natural, but in practice feel artificial and strenuous to play - while I see where they're coming from with these ideas, I agree 100% it has been executed terribly. They should just toss sanctuaries altogether and add hiding spots all around the map instead as other comments have been suggesting.
I hate that crocs have to travel by land to get to a popular travel pond. 7hrs to just die from thirst or get unlucky and a cera group find you.
Even worse than sanctuaries, New stamina changements are TERRIBLE and makes the game painful
Here’s how I’d do it. Instead of each sanctuary being a pretty large area with its own scent icon, they’d be little pockets of dense map geometry in some form speckled across the map with different ranges of sizes.
The biggest ones would be similar looking to the current ones, but with denser plants, and thick collisionless foliage in the form of flowering plants along the edges of the area. They wouldn’t have any diet plants, maybe some grass, but a couple of puddles speckled around, to wait out predators. Changes to the bees I’d make are to make the damage proportional to health, as in draining by a percent of maximum health, although this would be low, killing a creature in around 5 minutes of being afk. However, it’d make your creature a bit slower, and make it shake its head around periodically, stopping you from attacking. The purpose of these sanctuaries is to let juvis grow for a little bit without being worried, but promoting them getting off their ass and dashing for food at the first chance.
Smaller pockets would be a bit more common, and could take different forms depending on which biome you’re in, hers a couple of examples:
In swamps it could be a large tangle of old mangroves with large, thick roots to provide physical protection, and with smaller mangroves along the edge of the clump at around bush heights, for visual cover. Additionally could have some mud under the bigger trees to wallow.
Along the beaches or in a mountainous, rocky biome, it could be a large slab of rock, around 6-7 Stegos long, with cracks large enough for juvies to walk in, and deep enough that they can’t be bitten from above.
These smaller ‘sanctuaries’ wouldn’t have bees, and would only serve to give juvis temporary shelter to lose anything chasing them.
3:38 i just did some testing on a free admin server, they do a % based damage it seems, it takes the same amount of hits to kill an adult tenontosaurus and "just outside of size range" juvenile cera.
Also just a side thing, I already do this, and know many others who do, just get your diet, and afk grow your dino. Hasn't ended and probably never will, because baby stage is not where the fun is, its Sub-adult to Full growth. Exceptions would be if your nested in, but thats it. Also the exploration bit is a pretty bad complaint, because its not as if you die once your fully grown, you can still explore as a sub or full adult.
Not sure if someone else has mentioned this already, but this hurts deino gameplay too. I played a deino almost all of Gateway before and after it was moved to Evrima branch, and before sanctuaries were added there was enough pop passing through my usual hunting grounds I could reliably maintain at least two diet slots. After sanctuaries though, it's usually a ghost town situation where I regularly have to settle for schooling fish (not enough elite fish) which leads to a terrible diet with a massive debuff that drops my dmg from 500 to 375 -among other crippling debuffs. The map is also huge with water sources either being fully cut off from each other (to the point it's suicide to try migrating from one to the other) or it's that big af river that covers far too much area to be able to pinpoint a reliable food source location to camp. Not to mention that river has several bridges and relatively thin points that make crossing almost 100% safe, thus denying even more food for deinos.
Back to sanctuaries though, the reason I think they're the cause of less food for deinos is that people aren't traveling across rivers or visiting lakes/ponds as much anymore. People spawn in, make a bee line for sanctuaries, and then any friends they have also make a bee line for the sanctuaries too to pick up their juvi friends.
The new south plains sanctuary is a war zone or Troodon camping spot, and the semi new swamp SZ is good for herbs but has no one there so not even doable as a carnivorous, they should just make the mushrooms edible for everyone
I think the bees damage balance numbers is proof the devs don’t know what they’re doing. Gateways bad design is also proof of that.
Mutations have made nesting very appealing for everyone right now, but for the larger dinosaurs it is almost impossible to do because it takes so long to get up to 80-100% growth and find someone else that big to nest with
I went there as a baby Carno spawning in, by the time I got there I had no food left and found there was no one there on a full server btw, would have been better off just running somewhere random and finding food honestly
I had the same as a Baby troodon
Same for me, with Cera and Utah
I think Sanctuaries could function well if they nyxed the superfood mushrooms and just have all three foods types available within the Sanctuary separately, like they are elsewhere, so juves can still achieve optimal diet and new players can investigate the different food types naturally in the protected environment while making the protective foliage denser and possibly adding more hiding spots within Sanctuaries and having the bees be more prevalent; causing scaling bleed damage as well as applying illness to anything that's not an herbivorous or omnivorous juve
How about a walled off area, via a few SMALL caves to a hollowed out volcano (so u can still have sky) and while in the sanctuary you cannot exceed a certain growth%. To continue developing youd have to leave. That would limit the adult KOSers, prevent juvies from growing beyond a certain point and gorging on victims. And make the place a huge section (hence inside a hollowed out volcano)
Thats my initial idea. Its likely not fool proof but i think it cuts back on a lot of the worst issues
Being held at max % while in the sanctuary may seem unrealistic.
But whod wanna stay that smol
For long?
It can be assumed you’re slowing time for yourself by staying or something. Because you’re meant to leave at that point.
The issue is preventing adults from going Purge on the juvies in there, while also giving them no reason to stay beyond a certain point
Either THAT, Orrr have the food within bi longer offer nutrition after a certain % like a maturing diet rather than pausing their growth outright, you can slow it down via diet to where they would have poor diet and growing so slowly that theyd have no reason to stay
i have an idea how a concept like sactuaries could work and first change would be to make bees not do damage but a specific poison instead that is aplyed in percentage this would be a threat to any dinosaur equaly baby or not, and the second change would be to make the red mushrooms not give any nutrients or diets just giving a temporary growth boost and making them edible to all dinos becaus even taking into acount realism, most carnivores still sometime eat specific plants and mushroom and sanctuaries are not a very realistic concept to begin with.
but now with these changes made sanctuaries are not ment to be a place for juvis to stay at but for youg dinos to pass through, get a growth boost, find with other dinos to maybe group with and adults will have less incentive to go there because mushrooms dont provide any food forcing herbies to move on to find food and carnie will therefore also stay there less.
there still is the issue with adult carnies comming to sanctuaries to get easy food but the bees and herbies only passing through and not staying will hopefully help
also why can adults smell sanctuaries making them be smellable from further away while your small would just be the obvious solution.
They should add that when you are attacked by bees, your dino can't attack as its head is stuck in a shaking animation, trying to avoid bee stings while taking percentage-based damage. Also, sanctuaries should be optional. They should be something that gives you a nice growth buff from the get-go but are sometimes risky and sometimes quite safe, depending on the player population and server you are on. You should always have the option to play normally if you wish. Carnivores should also have a special AI that allows them to hunt in the sanctuaries if no other dinos are available to hunt. Like some mole or lizard you can dig up, which will give you all the diets, or just let them eat mushrooms too. As sanctuaries are small, I think 5 different ones would be a good number. This way, sanctuaries wouldn't feel like a battle royale at the Chuck E. Cheese's
I think Sanctuaries can be a good idea. It just needs some tuning.
Make bees deadlier to adult dinos, add more sanctuaries (they’re apparently going to do that), add a food source for baby carnis (like bugs that aren’t bees, but fighting other babies can keep the game play from being stale and help new players learn a bit on how to hunt), and while I think the areas could be more dense it’s probably better to not make it too dense so babies that stay too long don’t get stuck (let the bees do their job).
As for nesting, I think it will be fine. Why? Well it’s already dead but from what I can recall the devs are going to make it so nesting gives you benefits (dna and skins or something like that). So once nesting gets a usefulness it will be much more lucrative. I’d also suggest giving parents/groups a buff for having nests or nested babies.
The sanctuaries can provide a safe place for spawned little ones while nested little ones shouldn’t need them.
That’s my ideas. I think sanctuaries can be a good thing, but this whole problem could be solved if they didn’t spawn players into being so young to begin with.
honestly, it would be fixed if they gave the juvie the migration spot back on the hud so you can just ignore the sanctuary, thats what i do because i know most migrations spot, at least for tenonto etc
I agree with most of your points but I'd also say that it is believed that many baby dinos sought refuge in the undergrowth which they had to abandon when they grew up, so the idea isn't that flawed, and furthermore you can always explore and "learn" how to play once you grow up. I'm not saying it doesn't needs fixing but maybe removing it isn't the real solution, they could for instance fix some of the nesting mechanics too
I think more people might've been complaining more about Ptera's stam then sanctuaries, imo. When I looked in the "Isle Discussion" chat a few times.
I think sanctuaries can work. But there needs to be more things done for that to obviously happen.
1. They should act as a semi tutorial zone for the noobs.
2. Anything larger than a crouching Dryo should never be able to get in.
3. The mushrooms can still be there for an extra boost of nourishment, BUT, also including the individual diet plants.
4. Youngsters need fall dmg resistance to leave, and if they don't leave by the time they hit %30, they will start getting stung by the bees.
5. Bee dmg by weight and not a fixed dmg ratio.
And like some other people have already said, the map should have more places to hide from larger creatures.
The game is still a W.I.P. of course and it'll probably take another 10 years before it's been totally finished and perfected.
Remember when gateway was meant to be the thing to "save the isle"? Oh how naive we were, honestly this update has really exceeded my expectations. I just wish it exceeded them in a good way. It does prove something though at least to me, the devs or the ones who decide balancing really don't play there own game and they enjoy actively annoying there community. IDK how they messed up so bad making Carno OP, Pachy now being useless, raptor now taking virtually 0 skill and is now so much less fun to play, ptera is just afk simulator waiting for stam to regen which btw PLS DEVS REVERT STAMINA BACK TO THE OLD SYSTEM. It is funny tho just in the worst way possible lol. Sanctuary's is just the icing on the cake for me, on a cake made of dogshit. I'll miss you U6.5 you weren't perfect but you were at least fun and better than whatever this update is.
I like sanctuaries! But make them completely inaccessible for adults (the fact troodons are always able to get in there just means we have troodon juvi hunters), or turn them into an initial spawn area that once you leave it you can never return to. I would be okay to make it herbi exclusive too, as they kinda already are catering more towards herbi players anyway. So i appreciate the idea, but the execution rly needs some rework
I think a good fix would be to make sanctuaries work like migration zones. Certain ones are active and others aren't at certain periods forcing you to have to travel if the sanctuary fades.
Would this not only enhance the problem?
No? Since they would move like Migrations it forces people to have to travel in order to find the next safe zone if they want that protection@@mospusthespider1246
Sanctuaries are gulf pond from legacy change my mind
If Sanctuaries as a safe zone are failing, make it a gameplay acceleration point instead. These are my proposed ideas.
1. Have 4 quadrants of the map be Sanctuary zones have carnivore and Herbivore specific ones 'grow' randomized in those spawns. And have a internal decay rate where the foliage falls apart overtime. More players inside the sanctuary speed up the decay rate where the foliage breaks apart forcing player movement.
2. Make it so Adults Can trample the 'grown' foliage. When trampling Adults hit the bees nests causing % Dmg so the adults have to carefully look where they're stomping.
3. Make Herbivore Sanctuary a place where all kinds of Herbivore food spawn specifically and have Carnivore specific ones spawn a lot of bunnies, Fish, Boars, stuff carnivores only want.
They do look beautiful, gateway is astonishing to look at. - The ultra-fix the game needs where you can also avoid sanctuaries and make it more fun to play - When starting a new dinosaur, your growth progress is NOT lost when you die, until you reach adult size, dying as an adult resets the growth on that species. So you start from scratch. That way you can keep it out in the open, no sanctuaries need to be made. ( thereby reducing development time. ) ALSO, if they filled the map just a bit more with AI entities, carnivore players could rely more on AI.
Dinosaur AI, we already see, Teno, Juvi omni's and cera's, If each area had some animals spawn in, including inside forests, the stress would be reduced on juvi players. Thereby again, negating the need to develop and add sanctuaries. The Isle has implemented many ideas and removed them later on, It is a fad that has to stop. - A dinosaur survival game is very basic.
Legacy version already had the basics for it, and if it werent for the bugs, and if it had enough AI, or players on the server, it would have worked.
Doesn't take to much, from there on out, to add grab mechanics, organs, diets, sents, poisons, weather. Yet, somehow, it took them 8 years to get there.
Not judgemental, it is a game born out of experimentation is what it feels like, at some point they wanted some dinosaurs to cloak. But they really should just work on the dinosaurs, the AI, the ecosystem, the weather. Not add sanctuaries, it is a feature that could just be natural, one biome has more plants and more foliage. Not specifically designed around a theme.
Keeping in mind that they basically want to build an entirely new game out of the isle, the Marine biome, with playable dinosaurs and ecosystems in the ocean... Which just as much will need space, AI fish and big animals. deep spots and places for juvi's to hide. It is like building a new version of the isle, though they are good at it and i hope they succeed.
If they delete sanctuaries I hope they still try to fix them first.
Like they could make it so that both migration zones and sanctuaries show up on the compass for juveniles so they have two clear options along with their regular diet plants outside of mushrooms
it's a simple fix. Do what PoT does where sanctuaries are just a part of the map design and not a system. No special diet plants or bees, just areas with dense foliage or tight spaces like small caves where juvies can hide. The devs ended up just making a mountain out of a molehill
couldn't agree more, have you any thoughts on the stam rework? I personally think it destroys what little balance the game had but I'm interested on your thoughts about it.
sanctuaries are great. The issues that you mentioned - can (and already have been) fixed. For instance bee damage - you just up it, or add some negative effect, or make it a blurry vision, or make it gradually increase in damage and add log lasting effects, etc. This is tweakable in so many ways. I'm a new players and sanctuaries are a blessing. When I first hatched as a stega, I was shocked. How the hell I'm supposed to survive, I'm small and slow. IRL baby dino is spported and protected by big and strong parents. In a game you are alone. So the sanctuary in essence replaces the parrents by providing safe space to grow.
Not my experience so I will share mine. I have played The Isle for about a week now, shortly after you made this video. I've played on official Evrima servers when they were full.
I haven't met a single dino at the sanctuary except one other herbivore. Apparently no one goes there anymore? This leaves me all the mushrooms and they also spawn OUTSIDE the sanctuary under the plants with big leaves. This allowes you to eat the shrooms under the plants almost completely hidden and the eating makes barely any sound if at all. I also tried playing as carnivores but we're so busy trying not to die at the cannibal spawn campers all the time and if you do make it to the sanctuary, theres no one there. Maybe players have found the same strategies and are eating the shrooms unnoticed?
I like playing beipiaosaurus that is omnivore and you can just ignore the sanctuary and start eating fish from the beginning. Herbivores with the Grace ability can eat grass until they unlock their proper menu. You do not get nutrients until you unlock the menu but most herbivores grow so fast you don't really need it.
I've seen videos where adults try to kill juvies in the sanctuary but the vines get in the way and they die very fast to the bees and possibly lose their prey while chasing them. The vines are not to prevent adults to get into the sanctuary but slow or hinder the chase so bees can deal enough damage.
Personally I'd like to have the main food menu from the start and remove the mushrooms from the list when you grow too big to be in the sanctuary. It's good to have sanctuary as an early game option. But at the moment it feels a bit too forced on some dinos.
As an actual fresh newbie player, dude, the game is without any sort of tutorial, trust me, I had enough exploration to do as a fresh spawn, as I didnt even know how to lie down:-D Diet system is still wayyyy above my level of exploration:-D
If they have a lot of sanctuaries, increase the density and make the wording effect for adult dinos, much more difficult for them to overcome. I could see it working. The other thing they need to do is add a lot more AI for carni
I remember this same thing happened with the nesting grounds, they were cool in concept but ended up being deaths traps (Especially for herbivores) to the point almost nobody uses them...
i think they can fix it we just need to be able to see the migration zone on top of our other diets instead of just the mushroom so new players know they have options
i find it ironic how, due to the new stamina system, the best time to explore the map is as a juvie. but the game tempts me to stay put and do nothing instead and get that free diet. by the time i can see the migration zone, migrating becomes a slog because i can no longer run to it.
If herbie food soawned outside of the migration area at a reduced rate it would greatly reduce the dependency on them.
I feel like sanctuaries should have a underground system only certain sized dinos can enter. Though still leaves the problem for carnis vs herb is there. Make it so that cars can only go into the thing a certain distance. Two safe areas for both, but still kinda difficult. That's just my take on it.
Gateway kills the isle, just watch
Great video mate. Now I know this is probably off topic, but have you heard of this new Dinosaurs survival game called Aldian of Acients.
Honestly, sanctuaries would've been fine if they were *just* a type of biome without the bees and a symbol for you to follow. A small, rare area that only small dinos can go to? It would've been so fun to stumble upon them by exploring, and with unique red mushrooms (and maybe some kind of giant beetle for carnivores?) that gives them all three diets? It would feel like a reward! The *community* would have considered them sanctuaries, much like the "pachy heaven" in Spiro.
Maybe have them be in a underground facility, where Juvies can spawn and grow to a certain percentage, by setting a death timer on them so they know, if I stay I die. Everyone will know what percentage it is, and for new players just have it automatically appear when they get 5% towards that threshold, hey actually have that just be a thing that appears for all players, as for leaving, make them have to choose one of the regular spawn locations, so it teleports their dino to that location zone, making it harder for adult Carni's to camp. Also they can make the experience optional, so if you want to get baby stage out the way you have a way to skip most of it. As for Carni's have meat platforms spawn for them that does the same has the red plants for Herbi's. Probably best to make it a no damage zone, but if you want to practice fight you can, and will get on hit noise notifications, but just doesn't do damage.
The devs have said they have over 20+ sanctuaries ready to be added to the map, the only reason there is so few on the map atm is that they are being tested, we dont have the final version of sanctuaries.....not even remotely close, they will be tweaked to be properly balanced as they get data on whats happening with them in the stress test atm, i get my nutrients and leave as there is 0 point in staying once i have my diets. Also they should remove the sanctuary icon for carnivores in my opinion as you will just starve and die going there, your better off finding a teno Ai, Ai wildlife, or other fresh spawn player to stay alive on.
Lets be honest, only way your dying to the bees as a juvi is if you purposely stay in there to long, if you dont immediatly leave once you have your diets filled then that's your issue.
Again might just of been my luck or experience so far, but ive never seen an adult carnivore near sanctuaries....besides troodons, and that was a few times in the 150 hours ive played with sanctuaries, and from my experience you will starve and die if you try to rely on the juvi dinos coming to sanctuaries, they dont give anywhere near enough food to sustain an adult carnivore let alone a pack. So again in my opinion they should remove the sanctuary icon from every carnivores huds besides troodons, i exclude troodons because they are small and it makes for a fun dynamic in sanctuaries for them to be able to go in and hunt the juvies
Some of your takes confuse me quite a bit, at the start the sanctuaries were crowded cause everyone wanted to see them so it feels like your opinion is coming from the initial hype and overcrowded scenarios that only came with their initial release, but now (from my experience) you barely ever find anyone there as anyone who plays the game on the regular knows not to stay long and besides once you get that perfect diet growth buff you grow out of the sanctuary very quick, but like i said once you get your diets filled you should already be leaving immediatly as your migration zone will soon show up and its time to literally grow up and out of relative safety.
Also sanctuaries are only meant for you to visit once and then leave, i have 0 clue how this somehow keeps people from exploring the map....you go there, you get diets, and you leave to explore and then find your migration zone once it comes up, your not forced to stay, hell your not even forced to go to the zone, its optional, you can 100% survive without it, but the diet boost is nice hence why its a decent incentive for a herbie juvie to visit should a zone be close.
How on earth would people be confused about their diets once they leave the sanctuaries to their migration zones, literally every single diet option is explained and your told what every plant is and what diet it gives and your even told where you can find them, you can find your diets outside migration zones in the areas your diet details your plants can be found, but its uncommon to do so.
The sanctuaries dont keep people from learning....thats a crazy claim, It feels like you think anyone who is semi new to the game will be to dumb to figure anything out.....this system is sooooooo easy to learn, its simply a zone that can give a boost to herbivore juvies should they make the journey there that has bees that attack once your a certain size....I will say that tutorial tips are greatly needed in game for newer players to ease the learning curve, like what we had in legacy and then once you knew everything you had the option to turn the tips off
I love your videos man, but this one is just not it.........keep up the good work tho, i would hope your opinion changes on this topic once we get the finished version of sanctuaries as we are only playing with the test version atm.
It's like the biggest problem with a designated nesting ground was made known via the feedback channels and the devs went "wait why don't we do that for ALL fresh spawns?"
Whenever I actually get to the sanctuary, there’s no one ever there
I'm new to the Isle but I've clocked in over 60 hours over the last week. Super enjoying the game. Sanctuaries suck though, and to be honest I started just ignoring them entirely and going straight to where I know my next diet will be... it seems really pointless to even bother with a sanctuary if you even have a clue of what you're doing. I agree with others saying they should include little branches to hide under and mushrooms in the rest of the map for babies to be able to explore more freely.
As a new player on The Isle and i agree, the best way to learn is exploration that all.
Though sanctuaries are flawed, I think one of the benefits it does have is that it would (in theory) allow very small dinosaurs like troodon or pteranodon to fill in a sort of 'mini apex' niche within the sanctuary, as typically the other larger carnivores wouldn't be able to access it, giving them zero competition within that zone.
I got stuck in the random bunch of sanctuaries plants like 5 times, all at night trying to find food.
I have the same opinion tbh, like why can't hatchlings just follow migration routes like the rest, but idk, there would be shrooms spawning on migration area that only hatchlings can eat and migration area would have small hiding spots where only babies fit in?
I don’t see how anyone can actually defend sanctuaries, as soon as I heard of them I thought “this is going to be a nightmare” and I was entirely correct. There is NO justifying the sanctuaries existence.
Well, people say juvi stage is boring. Now it is not xD You can have intense fights without the need of being full adult. There you have some justifying.
@@Bleghspread The Juvie stage could be a lot less boring by you know, giving juvies something they have that adults don’t have. Juvie dinosaurs would’ve had drastically different body builds to their adult counterparts so why not give them something they can do that adults can’t? An example of this would be to make Juvie T-Rex be able to be more of a pursuit predator than adult Rexes since they could run for longer distances. Sanctuaries do not make Juvie growth more fun, it makes it more of a pain in the ass as you’re just going to be gang banged by giant groups of various Juvie and adult dinosaurs at every given turn.