£20k, plus tax on imported cars into the uk - £42k... plus VAT...circa £50k to buy. Why do all cars in the UK cost so much more than in other countries?!
It works because the massive population, along with the increase in the yeng they earn, China invested in education infrastructure research and development manufacturing and look at the out come america invested in manipulation greed and military, look at the out come . The last 60 years have redefined innovation we are om the bring of the quantum leap lol😆 🤣
Screen obsolete? Software stop working? That's not how any of that works. Go turn on a TV or phone from 10years ago... yes, it's fine. It just need an input. Software may cease to get updated, but it will still perform the functions built into it. Outdated and obsolete aren't the same. If the hardware breaks, it breaks, but it's not just gonna stop working because of time. It can be outdated, and connectivity may get discontinued, but the thought of "throwing it away" after 5 years is dumb. Now the privacy and viability of this product is a different story.
He might be thinking of how lots of company's intentionally "brick" older electronics with updates. I literally stopped buying tablets for that reason.
I'd be more worried about replacement costs. A custom made 48" screen for a specific car model is not going to be cheap to replace, especially if it's not just a screen but a module with all sorts of hardware built in. It only takes an unfortunate bump, or even a few unfortunate dead pixels, to require a swap. If you had two smaller screens and physical buttons the cost would be much lower. Honestly, that could be more expensive to change than the battery.
If it's still running the original software, maybe... but as we've seen with e.g. mobiles, more and more features etc get added over the years as 'free' updates - resulting in first-gen hardware slowing down to the point of being unusable... and not every company provides a way to uninstall those updates, or roll back to an earlier (faster) version, etc.
@@logicalChimphopefully with Geely they'll be more into optimisations. Although having owner a number of Huawei devices, their cars should be super efficient and optimised.
Yeah I hate when journalists do that. Oh it's "equivalent" to £20k. Oh that's nice. Now import it to my country and add all the import fees and taxes and sales taxes and dealer gouging and **then** tell me the price. I've not seen a single vehicle make the trip and still be that price.
Throw it all away in a couple years? What’s he on about 😂 OTA updates will keep it updated, if the screen needs replacing just replace the screen like you would a button/switch on a old car & you can always update the computer in the future if more power is needed for whatever reason… why’s he saying throw it all away in a couple years??
Given some people think the batteries are thrown away after 3 years a comment like that is really not smart and encourages the "car no good after a year" lot
I took it to be that you won't be able to get a replacement screen when it breaks if it is bespoke for this model. And the whole car depends on the screen so if it went kaput and couldn't be replaced the car wouldn't work any more.
Actually Australia is already in a better position than other western nations such as Canada. The reason Teslas are at lowest price outside of China is because we have Chinese EVs competing in the market. Competition is always good for the consumer!
@@markuc I noticed that. Even here, South Africa has tons of Chinese cars nowadays (not EV's though, due to the electricity issues). It's a good thing, because they're just so much better made than the European stuff, but way, way less expensive.
When foreign brands come to China, the Chinese government only charges a 5% import tax as a WTO member. And yet, when China can make good cars, the foreign nations charge upward of 20% tariffs, in the name of National Security. But what is more annoying is that those same governments do not charge the same amount of tariffs on Japanese and Korean cars.
Don't talk absolute nonsense They protected their own car industry in china with high taxes not 5% and high subsidy to local brands . They didn't let Any foreign company enter china without an equal co-venture with a Chinese company that can steal all the know-how ! And that is all only about this specific industry Literally every big industry in china is protected and blocked foreign competition That's the only reason china has built some big internet companies for example
I think 5% is only sales tax rate for 1500-2000 cc ICE cars. Correct me if I am wrong. China tax rates for foreign imported cars: Custom duty 25%, Sales Tax 0-40% depends on engine size and 13% VAT, despite charging 0% sales tax for PURE electric cars, I believe you still have to pay custom duty and VAT. In addition to that, final price of the car you see in showroom does not equal to the sum of these rates, you have to use the formulas for its calculation.
With regard with your issue regarding the longlivity of the screen my 40 plus years experience with computers and monitors, partcularly with flat screens (OLED, LCD etc) is they are very hard to kill. Honestly they seem to function forever, I have living proof of that with the surplus monitors I have in my home. They are just "too good to throw out".
@@metricstormtrooperI have an iPad air that's still useful but not as useful if apple supported it still. It's has good specs which is a shame. I also have an iPad 3 which I use for a smart home panel. Doesn't need to do much.
Correct ... I've got several old laptops starting from 1995 ... a flat screen Apple monitor that's 20 years old ... all the screens work as good as they did when new.
At least they went and did the screen the way I'd like it. One large, continuous screen unlike the one that Mercedes did where they tried to pass like 3 screens as one by covering them with a long dark glass panel...
sometimes when you see something and think....so simple...why has it not always been like that forever.....tinted perspex sunvisors, does its job without any vision block at all
I was an over the road trucker in the 70s. You could buy the clip on tinted extended visor. It's an old idea that just went out of style. Maybe somebody out there knows where to find them. I'll buy one again!
We were in China last week and were driven in this car for over an hour and were very impressed, sooner a RHD version makes it to Australia the better, we will be standing in line to purchase one. 5 stars
@@freddykrueger79 Shipping costs, brokerage fees, operational costs to operate in Europe for sale, service and maintenance, supply chains for parts etc. Most people are clueless and stupid, believing that everything is free. None of that even mentions tariffs the European Union will likely levy on these vehicles which may be the biggest part of the price increase for the consumer. So prices in domestic Chinese markets will for obvious reasons not be equal to European MSRPs. Even Tesla's are cheapest in China (Not the US) where the EV supply chains are hyper-optimized and price competitiveness is king.
@@Ilost11 I perfectly understand price must be different... but in some cases it's way too much difference. example byd han in china 28keur... in Europe 73keur... that is almost 300%... at the moment Chinese made cars pay in EU 10% import duty.
@@freddykrueger79 Chinese tax-rate is ~3% for EVs, I think... compared to ~20%-25% tax in the EU?... and that gets added *on top* of all the other factors listed by ILost11... yes, there's probably some profit-inflation too, but not nearly as much as people think - and the only reason the CHinese companies can do that is because all the legacy Automakers are doing the same thing, in order to discount their prices in China (which is why e.g. the VW ID.4 is ~1/2 price - or less - in China, compared to the EU... and VW don't even have to ship their vehicles in from China - they're made in the EU to begin with)
5:55 That's where the aftermarket steps in. You can get CarPlay, for example, for cars built in the 2000's and 2010's. Look at the BMW and Mercedes aftermarket, complete screen replacements with better resolution _and_ more features, while retaining OEM controls. Saying you might have to junk a car in 5-10 years due to screens/software is nonsense.
Sure would be nice if a channel like this could lean on its many years of industry expertise and instead of clickbaiting the price of an exchange rate, instead give us an idea of an estimated UK price based on past trends.
What do you mean "when this screen becomes obsolete"? Elliot, all cars have screens, and huge ones at that. This one isn't going to stop working all of a sudden just because it's wide and futuristic. If you spoke about replacement costs after a serious accident, it would be a different story. But I don't really understand what you're getting at with what you said.
I would worry about two things: software security updates (wouldn't want to drive around a botnets spreading virii), and the fact that that screen has about 10 times more pixels than that old laptop, so 10 time more likely to get a dead pixel. Also:if it's OLED (don't remember if he mentioned the tech) it will lose brightness and get burn-in. If it's a normal LCD then I hope its backlight is well engineered, because modern TVs are usually blotchy after 5 years.
Screens are only distracting if you are someone who is easily distracted lol. I have a honda e thats got 2 massive screens, a sepoed screen, 2 screens for the wing mirror cameras and also rear view mirror is a screen Not distracting infact what is more distracting is passengers and talking to them while driving...not screens because you aint looking at them when driving are you lol
If I want to see a screen, I'll sit and watch my TV or go on my computer. In a car, I just want the info I need for driving and that's it. A few analogue dials should do it.
Some people prefer the info on a screen. The screen will offer the option to have GPS and different camera around the car. Honestly, when it comes to fully utilising all the functions, more screens the better.
thats just your opinion and that shows you are old enough but even then screens are better then monologs and sometimes safer as a matter of fact but ok keep driving a monolog car thats less safer then a smart car that can literally save your life. in case you dont know what im talking about you will see in the near future(if you still live then) what im talking about
@@netrox1345 Putting all of the controls in a screen doesn't necessarily make it safer. Side mirrors, signalling stalks, AC vents etc.. should be adjustable without going through menus, there's such a thing as being too minimalistic.
Yeah you are not allowed nice things. Its part of the Brexit deal, even if its not from the EU you cant have it if its nice. Part of the dikensification of Britain
@@oddjobsandrandomprojectsYup. It wont come here because of anticompetitive legislation that the Big Three think will protect them from having to actually be competitive. Chinese companies are building factories in Mexico, so now legislators are pushing the same "fear factor" narrative with Chinese EVs they use with Chinese cell phone manufacturers that prevents us from having cheap smart phones in the US. Really its all just American manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot. We had a chance 15 years ago to be the leaders in EVs, but we let China take it. Really just pathetic.
@@truebrit3670 a lot of people forget that the Chinese government subsidize evs sold locally to help get people off diesel and petrol, that reflects the low retail price there. In the UK etc the opposite applies apparently.
Elliot to answer your question about how the car will be valued in a couple of years time. electric cars get software updates and the batteries can be replaced
Elliot. You did not do the usual sign off. Did not know I had reaced the end of the video until it just stopped. Hope to see you in Sydney next year, hopefully with that lovely car.
Speaking as someone whose Hyundai i20 touchscreen has stopped working, I sympathise with the worry about that huge E8 screen. How do you get them fixed?
Thank you, Elliot, for showing us the new Geely Galaxy E8... I thoroughly enjoyed your video presentation. Amazing and fun to watch. And about that screen possibly becoming obsolete in like 5 years or less, you are quite right. We can't change NEVs, the way we change phones every so many years... It'd be quite an expensive proposition.
You can add at least 25% to the price if it comes to the UK. Look at the ORA prices elsewhere compared to the UK. I have an MG ZS EV and appreciate the chinese cars, but the depreciation means, I won't be able to change it for a new EV without taking a huge hit. If they can do it for £20,000 then taking the hit is made a bit sweeter.
I need: a speedometer, a battery meter with a rough distance estimate, an odometer, and a place to put my phone so it's visible and accessible. Everything else is just more stuff that can break. I'm not opposed to safety driver aids, as long as they stay quiet and out of my way unless I actually do something stupid.
I may be old fashioned but I prefer the analogue approach with dial controls. As you say what happens when all these fancy screens go out of date plus they can be too distracting.
One of the main advantages of a screen is that the interface and controls can be expanded and modified over time. The Tesla user interface has had a number of additions and revisions which add features to the car that didn't exist when I bought it! If the dashboard consisted of fixed switches you wouldn't be able to do this. There's therefore less chance of a screen going "out of date" than a traditional dashboard control layout.
It seems impossible that they can profit from selling this for £19k less taxes!!! - Add a max of 25% for UK sales and it will be a runaway success! - Huge battery, range, size and performance for 'peanuts!'
This won't be sold for that price in Europe. You cannot take the Chinese market price and just convert it to European prices. You need to add penalty tax, sales tax, transport, type registration and local adjustments to the price and maybe even more stuff. The price will then be more like 40-50K €.
I think this car is going to be taxed and fee´d and then you can buy it for 30.000 Euros in Europe ... that still would be a fantastic price for such a decent sedan with lots of horsepower and nice interior !!! I would definatly buy one when available for under 25.000 Euros in Germany.
is in some years the screen dont work anymore you go and replace the screen with a new one. kinda same as with buttons.. 🤨🤔 what if the CPU running this thing is broken i hear you say? well you replace the CPU and reinstall´the system. isnt that hard. i am driving a car with 2 massive screens for 3 years now. no reason to think why that suddenly would make my car undrivable
I heard a colleague last week, he replaced the screen on his son's ipad. It cost him 11€for the spare part alone.... Its absolutely mind boggling, everything gets more expensive, but tech keeps getting cheaper....
there si a video of a guy driving a tesla model 3 and while driving he smashes the screen to pieces with a hammer. oyu can still operate the car completely.
Why would the screen "not work" in a couple of years time..? Provided that the processor is sufficiently advanced to support future versions of the vehicle's OS, then there's no issue. And that is the key, either the chipset has to be future-proofed, or they have to be easily serviceable and upgradeable...surely, it will be easier/cheaper to swap-out a CPU then junk the entire car.
With EVs, it's allllll about the platform and software. And sharing those to create scale to reduce costs or maximise profits depending on your point of view. The car itself is a tad generic apart from the bonkers screen. But the same comment about that could easily be made about the one(s) in the top end Mercedes after all. It's a thing the modern world needs to get to grips with.
Before complaining about Chinese cars being more expensive in the EU, think about what Ms von der Leyen said: "Chinese electric car price is kept artificially low"
Great review, I can’t wait to purchase an EV & a Chinese model will be no doubt what we go for! The only thing I don’t get with the Chinese automakers don’t seem to cater to the useable hatch back vehicles 🚗. Not too sure about the rest of the world but Hatch backs have been the most popular vehicle type for Australia/NZ, other than utes.
Drove an Oldsmobile Trofeo with one of the first computer screens... Sure it's an obsolete computer by today's standards, but the instant mpg and engine data displayed in real time is still not as useful as a car gas pedal and brake. Put the big screen distractions in the house and live a lot longer.
Hopefully, their software will be updated so that ALL of their models use the same (easier to maintain 1 software for all than 1 per model). I don't see the use for such a big screen. A lot of it is hidden behind the wheel so you'd have to move your head to see.
My first thought on that screen was, how much to replace it? Three standard size screens might not impress in the same way, but would be much more sustainable. A very impressive car - Apple could have just paid one of these Chinese manufacturers to produce their car.
I hope grandad does not go for the sub 3.5 second version. I watched this and for the first time in a while I see a car I want, even with all the potential future unknowns like the screen. (Its like the engine noise in the Ionic 5N, it is childish but I like it.) Have to see it in the flesh. Agreed with everything you said. Thanks Wing Commander ~Richards. DES
Yes, if all the settings/controls are only available via the screen what happens 5-10 years later when it breaks? Can it be replaced? Will the UI burn-in? Will the heat warp/crack it?
Sad that this won't come to canada cause we don't want competition for our overpriced evs. Wouldn't mind them coming here for around the same price as whats already here thus keeping competition alive. They can come and take over the market anytime since they are not big trucks or SUVs that are selling right now
You cannot be more wrong stating "buttons can be replaced and the screen thrown away". The screen displays what system tell it to so it will be relevant for many years. Buttons are sometimes wired to individual functions.
To all the people debunking the screen bit: He kind of has a point, in 5-10 years will Geely be making these screens anymore? If this is a one off kind of part for a car, they won't be very available. Imagine if those 3D, curved TVs of 10 years ago were a key component of a car, they don't make them anymore, they can't be replaced. If this screen bakes in the Brisbane/Sydney sun for 5 years is it going to last that long? Heck even the buttons/screens in my Skoda from 9 years ago are extremely expensive to replace with genuine parts. Imagine what this widescreen will be!
Citstion needed. Byd is behind Tesla again. Tjey were in front of sales for one quater and they are behind again. That one quater does not mean they have more market share or have made more cars.
There really should be a requirement for all control interfaces in vehicles meant for public roads to be open source, both hardware and software, and ideally compliant with some set of common standards (again, both hardware and software). That's really the only way you can resolve the issue you mention about the control displays going obsolete before the car does.
The longevity of the screen is a worry for me also. I recently upgraded my Mitubishi Outlander PHEV to a used Kia E Niro. My budget allowed for either a Tesla Model 3 OR the E Niro. My budget isn’t inexhaustible and I tight with my cash. With the Tesla, I worry about the screen, controlling everything, and how much I’d have to pay to replace/repair it. With the Kia, I’ve got physical buttons, so if the screen fops on me - as long as I can still drive the car, I’d probably cheap out and drive it as-is.. I DO like the screen, but I’d not pay big money to replace it. The Geely is a nice car - I’d love to know the range and stats
I am getting really tired of these interiors. Bring back buttons and knobs and some colour that's not mostly black, grey and white. I remember when cars used to be a inviting space rather than a liminal space.
looks amazing not sure if it'll still be that price when it makes it here but I still prefer my mid suv size vehicle, there's not much point having a huge boot when the aperture is so small
DEAR PRODUCERS Could you PLEASE create a show or two covering V2* Capabilities ! Vehicle to Load is a BIG GOODY and so few know about it let alone understand what it can do. These Capabilities are a BIG Plus you can get from properly equipped EV's and can be a Godsend when "stuff happens" and you are without Grid Power.
Its because the have the economic of scale. I think Geely's is the among the one that heavily sharing its EV platform towards it's auto Group in a large scale for years. Now SEA platform has spawn more then 16 product from it was launch in 2021. As an example, Ford only have 2 EV's with Mach E was a Cell to Pack in a heavily revise C2 platform while Lightning basically a Battery on frame platform. GM have 9 cars under their Ultium platform but several cars sales just started in 2023. With its issues, we knew they are far away to reach economic of scale.
I was in this car not long ago, the rear seats were designed for kids below 10years old. Astonishingly limited room for the support of legs, too high the floor was. That makes an immediate pass.😂
£20k, plus tax on imported cars into the uk - £42k... plus VAT...circa £50k to buy. Why do all cars in the UK cost so much more than in other countries?!
Rip off UK!
Try Ireland
They want your money...nothing more
Australia is so much friendlier 😢
Try Denmark :)
I was in china last summer, the number of EV on the road is unimaginable, there are tons of tesla and many other domestic brands. It is crazy
Good for air quality in the cities. Remember Beijing 20 years ago.
It works because the massive population, along with the increase in the yeng they earn, China invested in education infrastructure research and development manufacturing and look at the out come america invested in manipulation greed and military, look at the out come . The last 60 years have redefined innovation we are om the bring of the quantum leap lol😆 🤣
Screen obsolete? Software stop working?
That's not how any of that works.
Go turn on a TV or phone from 10years ago... yes, it's fine. It just need an input.
Software may cease to get updated, but it will still perform the functions built into it.
Outdated and obsolete aren't the same.
If the hardware breaks, it breaks, but it's not just gonna stop working because of time. It can be outdated, and connectivity may get discontinued, but the thought of "throwing it away" after 5 years is dumb.
Now the privacy and viability of this product is a different story.
He might be thinking of how lots of company's intentionally "brick" older electronics with updates. I literally stopped buying tablets for that reason.
I'd be more worried about replacement costs. A custom made 48" screen for a specific car model is not going to be cheap to replace, especially if it's not just a screen but a module with all sorts of hardware built in. It only takes an unfortunate bump, or even a few unfortunate dead pixels, to require a swap. If you had two smaller screens and physical buttons the cost would be much lower.
Honestly, that could be more expensive to change than the battery.
@@sebastiansandvik825 If that screen stops working at any point in time. Your car is toast Yes you may be able to replace it but at what cost?
If it's still running the original software, maybe... but as we've seen with e.g. mobiles, more and more features etc get added over the years as 'free' updates - resulting in first-gen hardware slowing down to the point of being unusable... and not every company provides a way to uninstall those updates, or roll back to an earlier (faster) version, etc.
@@logicalChimphopefully with Geely they'll be more into optimisations. Although having owner a number of Huawei devices, their cars should be super efficient and optimised.
If this makes it to the UK for £20k I will personally buy one, wear it as a hat and eat it.
😂
And it will eat your foolish down the drain.
More like north of €40k, with discount.
Yeah I hate when journalists do that. Oh it's "equivalent" to £20k.
Oh that's nice.
Now import it to my country and add all the import fees and taxes and sales taxes and dealer gouging and **then** tell me the price.
I've not seen a single vehicle make the trip and still be that price.
The car will sell for $50k in US because if trump wins this nov he says he put 100% tarriff on all chinese products.
Throw it all away in a couple years? What’s he on about 😂 OTA updates will keep it updated, if the screen needs replacing just replace the screen like you would a button/switch on a old car & you can always update the computer in the future if more power is needed for whatever reason… why’s he saying throw it all away in a couple years??
yeah that comment makes no sense, tesla is still somehow doing updates for its intel atom cars which is seriously old tech
Given some people think the batteries are thrown away after 3 years a comment like that is really not smart and encourages the "car no good after a year" lot
I took it to be that you won't be able to get a replacement screen when it breaks if it is bespoke for this model. And the whole car depends on the screen so if it went kaput and couldn't be replaced the car wouldn't work any more.
I wonder why he still review cars.. He should go back to the UK. Get himself a jaguar..
@@dougbamford took whatever nonsense you believe.. All screens in your goddamn european brands are either made in china, korea and japan..
I was in China a couple of weeks back and the variety and quality of the EV's is astounding. I just wish they brought them to Australia
Especially the baojun cloud, I'd love one because it's well designed and not a wannabe SUV.
If can’t do , proton can use it
Actually Australia is already in a better position than other western nations such as Canada. The reason Teslas are at lowest price outside of China is because we have Chinese EVs competing in the market. Competition is always good for the consumer!
@@markuc I noticed that. Even here, South Africa has tons of Chinese cars nowadays (not EV's though, due to the electricity issues). It's a good thing, because they're just so much better made than the European stuff, but way, way less expensive.
@@markucAustralia western? What 😂
When foreign brands come to China, the Chinese government only charges a 5% import tax as a WTO member. And yet, when China can make good cars, the foreign nations charge upward of 20% tariffs, in the name of National Security. But what is more annoying is that those same governments do not charge the same amount of tariffs on Japanese and Korean cars.
Only pariah practice double standard
Don't talk absolute nonsense
They protected their own car industry in china with high taxes not 5% and high subsidy to local brands .
They didn't let Any foreign company enter china without an equal co-venture with a Chinese company that can steal all the know-how !
And that is all only about this specific industry
Literally every big industry in china is protected and blocked foreign competition
That's the only reason china has built some big internet companies for example
I think 5% is only sales tax rate for 1500-2000 cc ICE cars.
Correct me if I am wrong.
China tax rates for foreign imported cars:
Custom duty 25%, Sales Tax 0-40% depends on engine size and 13% VAT, despite charging 0% sales tax for PURE electric cars, I believe you still have to pay custom duty and VAT.
In addition to that, final price of the car you see in showroom does not equal to the sum of these rates, you have to use the formulas for its calculation.
Friend thing that's it 😂
Because Japan & South Korea are western babies & the west dolls 😂
Remembering that geely its a volvo owner.
And Lotus.
And the London taxis co
And they also own 50% of Smart.
They also have like 8 brands that haven’t made it to Europe yet
geely even owned benz
The price is unbelievable, even for Chinese standards!
With regard with your issue regarding the longlivity of the screen my 40 plus years experience with computers and monitors, partcularly with flat screens (OLED, LCD etc) is they are very hard to kill. Honestly they seem to function forever, I have living proof of that with the surplus monitors I have in my home. They are just "too good to throw out".
I've still got a gen 1 iPad, it's nearly useless apart from as an artistic piece but the screen is still fine.
@@metricstormtrooperI have an iPad air that's still useful but not as useful if apple supported it still. It's has good specs which is a shame.
I also have an iPad 3 which I use for a smart home panel. Doesn't need to do much.
Correct ... I've got several old laptops starting from 1995 ... a flat screen Apple monitor that's 20 years old ... all the screens work as good as they did when new.
It's a big screen with a car attached.
Cool. cars are dull
😂😂😂😂😂
A wiiiidee screen...
i remember when they said this about phones
It's a knob with a human attached 😂
While everyone its bringing crossovers to the market the chinese still believe on sedans. Love that, hope they bring it to Europe
At least they went and did the screen the way I'd like it. One large, continuous screen unlike the one that Mercedes did where they tried to pass like 3 screens as one by covering them with a long dark glass panel...
On the flip side, merc screens are each a 'standard' size, and probably a lot cheaper to replace individually than that single behemoth screen.
Yeah…. Have fun with regulations regarding media on the passenger display with that
You'd love the Cadillac escalade iq.... Perhaps not
sometimes when you see something and think....so simple...why has it not always been like that forever.....tinted perspex sunvisors, does its job without any vision block at all
I was an over the road trucker in the 70s. You could buy the clip on tinted extended visor. It's an old idea that just went out of style.
Maybe somebody out there knows where to find them. I'll buy one again!
Rover had them in the 1950s
We were in China last week and were driven in this car for over an hour and were very impressed, sooner a RHD version makes it to Australia the better, we will be standing in line to purchase one. 5 stars
"this car is going overseas later this year"
later this year in Europe: Geely Galaxy E8 for 40.000 Euros...
yeah... Chinese manufacturers milking the ev cow in Europe 😢
@@freddykrueger79 Shipping costs, brokerage fees, operational costs to operate in Europe for sale, service and maintenance, supply chains for parts etc. Most people are clueless and stupid, believing that everything is free. None of that even mentions tariffs the European Union will likely levy on these vehicles which may be the biggest part of the price increase for the consumer. So prices in domestic Chinese markets will for obvious reasons not be equal to European MSRPs. Even Tesla's are cheapest in China (Not the US) where the EV supply chains are hyper-optimized and price competitiveness is king.
@@Ilost11 I perfectly understand price must be different... but in some cases it's way too much difference. example byd han in china 28keur... in Europe 73keur... that is almost 300%... at the moment Chinese made cars pay in EU 10% import duty.
@@freddykrueger79 Chinese tax-rate is ~3% for EVs, I think... compared to ~20%-25% tax in the EU?... and that gets added *on top* of all the other factors listed by ILost11... yes, there's probably some profit-inflation too, but not nearly as much as people think - and the only reason the CHinese companies can do that is because all the legacy Automakers are doing the same thing, in order to discount their prices in China (which is why e.g. the VW ID.4 is ~1/2 price - or less - in China, compared to the EU... and VW don't even have to ship their vehicles in from China - they're made in the EU to begin with)
@@freddykrueger79 China car NOT allowed to sell cheap in Europe.
OR will be ban/tax higher
All I took from that was £20,000 and Slippery Grandfather.
So true.. He failed to mention the powerful chip in that car and screen made by Meizu like huawei but belongs to Geely..
Those were definitely the key takeaways for us too.
"Crumpets and... chill" - thanks for the visual...
Crumpet and old crumpet?
5:55 That's where the aftermarket steps in. You can get CarPlay, for example, for cars built in the 2000's and 2010's. Look at the BMW and Mercedes aftermarket, complete screen replacements with better resolution _and_ more features, while retaining OEM controls. Saying you might have to junk a car in 5-10 years due to screens/software is nonsense.
Sure would be nice if a channel like this could lean on its many years of industry expertise and instead of clickbaiting the price of an exchange rate, instead give us an idea of an estimated UK price based on past trends.
That's easy to do. Just multiply by 2.
Because we all don't come from the UK thankfully.
What do you mean "when this screen becomes obsolete"? Elliot, all cars have screens, and huge ones at that. This one isn't going to stop working all of a sudden just because it's wide and futuristic. If you spoke about replacement costs after a serious accident, it would be a different story. But I don't really understand what you're getting at with what you said.
My 9 year old laptop must be a true miracle that it still works let alone is online.
@@Sparky400 Yep ... all my laptops that I have since the mid 1990s still have perfectly working screens!
I would worry about two things: software security updates (wouldn't want to drive around a botnets spreading virii), and the fact that that screen has about 10 times more pixels than that old laptop, so 10 time more likely to get a dead pixel.
Also:if it's OLED (don't remember if he mentioned the tech) it will lose brightness and get burn-in. If it's a normal LCD then I hope its backlight is well engineered, because modern TVs are usually blotchy after 5 years.
Screens are only distracting if you are someone who is easily distracted lol. I have a honda e thats got 2 massive screens, a sepoed screen, 2 screens for the wing mirror cameras and also rear view mirror is a screen
Not distracting infact what is more distracting is passengers and talking to them while driving...not screens because you aint looking at them when driving are you lol
Are the mirrors on the wings though? Door mirrors?
This is so true
@@dna9838 The Honda E has cameras and mini screens acting as door mirrors ... not actual mirrors.
@@MrAdopado good point. Door cameras, but certainly not 'wing', with almost all modern cars.
If I want to see a screen, I'll sit and watch my TV or go on my computer. In a car, I just want the info I need for driving and that's it. A few analogue dials should do it.
Some people prefer the info on a screen. The screen will offer the option to have GPS and different camera around the car. Honestly, when it comes to fully utilising all the functions, more screens the better.
Yes. I hate all the touch screens and no real buttons.
I want screen.
thats just your opinion and that shows you are old enough but even then screens are better then monologs and sometimes safer as a matter of fact but ok keep driving a monolog car thats less safer then a smart car that can literally save your life. in case you dont know what im talking about you will see in the near future(if you still live then) what im talking about
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Putting all of the controls in a screen doesn't necessarily make it safer. Side mirrors, signalling stalks, AC vents etc.. should be adjustable without going through menus, there's such a thing as being too minimalistic.
£40k+ when/if it reaches the UK
Yeah you are not allowed nice things. Its part of the Brexit deal, even if its not from the EU you cant have it if its nice. Part of the dikensification of Britain
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects That's what I am sitting here thinking, "Never in the US"
@@oddjobsandrandomprojectsYup. It wont come here because of anticompetitive legislation that the Big Three think will protect them from having to actually be competitive. Chinese companies are building factories in Mexico, so now legislators are pushing the same "fear factor" narrative with Chinese EVs they use with Chinese cell phone manufacturers that prevents us from having cheap smart phones in the US. Really its all just American manufacturers shooting themselves in the foot. We had a chance 15 years ago to be the leaders in EVs, but we let China take it. Really just pathetic.
AFAIK A single shipment has about 4500 cars, and the U.K. applies less than 5% tariff on China.
Where would the 100%+ markup be generated?
@@truebrit3670 a lot of people forget that the Chinese government subsidize evs sold locally to help get people off diesel and petrol, that reflects the low retail price there. In the UK etc the opposite applies apparently.
Elliot to answer your question about how the car will be valued in a couple of years time. electric cars get software updates and the batteries can be replaced
Elliot. You did not do the usual sign off. Did not know I had reaced the end of the video until it just stopped. Hope to see you in Sydney next year, hopefully with that lovely car.
If this thing goes on sale in the UK for anywhere close to £20k, I'll eat my trousers.
Your trousers are safe😂
This is a beautiful dream. Very pleasant even to look at. I wouldn't feel bored at the back seat.
That interior is amazing for any car, let alone one that costs 20k. Great to know Geely is planning to enter Australia market this year!
Nice car let me know if you need a test driver when you bring it to the UK.
Speaking as someone whose Hyundai i20 touchscreen has stopped working, I sympathise with the worry about that huge E8 screen. How do you get them fixed?
Thank you, Elliot, for showing us the new Geely Galaxy E8... I thoroughly enjoyed your video presentation. Amazing and fun to watch. And about that screen possibly becoming obsolete in like 5 years or less, you are quite right. We can't change NEVs, the way we change phones every so many years... It'd be quite an expensive proposition.
I'm a big fan of how it slips through the air... much more focus needs to be on that
First thought was: huge, electric Citroen
I love it. If it's priced under £40k then it's well worth it.
"This car will be going overseas very soon" = yes, but definitely not before the 38%+ protectionism, I mean import tariff hikes they're planning 🤔
Yeah
Still better
The amount of construction in the background mind boggling 😨😱😳😊😍
You can add at least 25% to the price if it comes to the UK. Look at the ORA prices elsewhere compared to the UK. I have an MG ZS EV and appreciate the chinese cars, but the depreciation means, I won't be able to change it for a new EV without taking a huge hit. If they can do it for £20,000 then taking the hit is made a bit sweeter.
Just replace it when you need too NOT when you want to, it's worked really well for me.
This car won’t go for less than £45k in the UK. It will probably go for more.
looks great I'll have one
Love to see a review of the new Xiaomi EV. 😊
I need: a speedometer, a battery meter with a rough distance estimate, an odometer, and a place to put my phone so it's visible and accessible. Everything else is just more stuff that can break.
I'm not opposed to safety driver aids, as long as they stay quiet and out of my way unless I actually do something stupid.
This is your funniest review EVER Elliott; crumpets, you in the boot, you closing the frunk😂...
A LCD touch screen is just a screen/monitor. When did you last worry about your monitor being obsolete?
Crumpets and chill made me spit my tea out.
The front camera literally serves as the bumper. Push a shopping cart, and you'll need to replace your camera. Uhh...........
You need to tell us the charging speeds !
Slow
I may be old fashioned but I prefer the analogue approach with dial controls. As you say what happens when all these fancy screens go out of date plus they can be too distracting.
One of the main advantages of a screen is that the interface and controls can be expanded and modified over time. The Tesla user interface has had a number of additions and revisions which add features to the car that didn't exist when I bought it! If the dashboard consisted of fixed switches you wouldn't be able to do this. There's therefore less chance of a screen going "out of date" than a traditional dashboard control layout.
Where can i buy one
China
China's progress is formidable.
It seems impossible that they can profit from selling this for £19k less taxes!!! - Add a max of 25% for UK sales and it will be a runaway success! - Huge battery, range, size and performance for 'peanuts!'
This won't be sold for that price in Europe. You cannot take the Chinese market price and just convert it to European prices. You need to add penalty tax, sales tax, transport, type registration and local adjustments to the price and maybe even more stuff. The price will then be more like 40-50K €.
I’ve just had my central screen replaced on my 9.5 year old Tesla Model S to bring it more up to date. Hopefully Geely will provide the same service.
Hatchbacks are always better I think
Hatchbacks are more practical, you just won't get 0.19 Cd value, you would get less range.
I think this car is going to be taxed and fee´d and then you can buy it for 30.000 Euros in Europe ... that still would be a fantastic price for such a decent sedan with lots of horsepower and nice interior !!! I would definatly buy one when available for under 25.000 Euros in Germany.
Ford's lawyers will love the Galaxy name
It's in a different category like a Samsung Galaxy so it's not an issue. Geely make cars, Ford make jokes, not the same at all.
Wow this is fantastic!
is in some years the screen dont work anymore you go and replace the screen with a new one. kinda same as with buttons.. 🤨🤔
what if the CPU running this thing is broken i hear you say? well you replace the CPU and reinstall´the system. isnt that hard. i am driving a car with 2 massive screens for 3 years now. no reason to think why that suddenly would make my car undrivable
I heard a colleague last week, he replaced the screen on his son's ipad. It cost him 11€for the spare part alone.... Its absolutely mind boggling, everything gets more expensive, but tech keeps getting cheaper....
there si a video of a guy driving a tesla model 3 and while driving he smashes the screen to pieces with a hammer. oyu can still operate the car completely.
That screen that screen ❤
Why would the screen "not work" in a couple of years time..? Provided that the processor is sufficiently advanced to support future versions of the vehicle's OS, then there's no issue. And that is the key, either the chipset has to be future-proofed, or they have to be easily serviceable and upgradeable...surely, it will be easier/cheaper to swap-out a CPU then junk the entire car.
Excellent work again Elliot 👏
Looks great, i can see some BYD seal in the front and perhaps some MG4 in there too.
Love the design and the screen
05:09 - I know this experience from when I see 80085. So focused.
A big iPad with wheels attached on it ,so if comes to Europe make sure define it as a electronic device to reduce tariffs
With EVs, it's allllll about the platform and software. And sharing those to create scale to reduce costs or maximise profits depending on your point of view. The car itself is a tad generic apart from the bonkers screen. But the same comment about that could easily be made about the one(s) in the top end Mercedes after all. It's a thing the modern world needs to get to grips with.
you can always replace the screen in the future. software can be updated over the air
very interesting, does it have V2G and how’s the regen?
Before complaining about Chinese cars being more expensive in the EU, think about what Ms von der Leyen said: "Chinese electric car price is kept artificially low"
Great review, I can’t wait to purchase an EV & a Chinese model will be no doubt what we go for! The only thing I don’t get with the Chinese automakers don’t seem to cater to the useable hatch back vehicles 🚗. Not too sure about the rest of the world but Hatch backs have been the most popular vehicle type for Australia/NZ, other than utes.
Elliott smashing it out of the funny park😂
Omg that intro sound made me look around thinking a large fly passed by my ears! 😅
Yes, I'm on headphones...
Strange Yello vibes.
Drove an Oldsmobile Trofeo with one of the first computer screens... Sure it's an obsolete computer by today's standards, but the instant mpg and engine data displayed in real time is still not as useful as a car gas pedal and brake. Put the big screen distractions in the house and live a lot longer.
Hopefully, their software will be updated so that ALL of their models use the same (easier to maintain 1 software for all than 1 per model).
I don't see the use for such a big screen. A lot of it is hidden behind the wheel so you'd have to move your head to see.
My first thought on that screen was, how much to replace it? Three standard size screens might not impress in the same way, but would be much more sustainable. A very impressive car - Apple could have just paid one of these Chinese manufacturers to produce their car.
I hope grandad does not go for the sub 3.5 second version.
I watched this and for the first time in a while I see a car I want, even with all the potential future unknowns like the screen. (Its like the engine noise in the Ionic 5N, it is childish but I like it.) Have to see it in the flesh. Agreed with everything you said.
Thanks Wing Commander ~Richards.
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Yes, if all the settings/controls are only available via the screen what happens 5-10 years later when it breaks? Can it be replaced? Will the UI burn-in? Will the heat warp/crack it?
Sad that this won't come to canada cause we don't want competition for our overpriced evs. Wouldn't mind them coming here for around the same price as whats already here thus keeping competition alive. They can come and take over the market anytime since they are not big trucks or SUVs that are selling right now
You cannot be more wrong stating "buttons can be replaced and the screen thrown away". The screen displays what system tell it to so it will be relevant for many years. Buttons are sometimes wired to individual functions.
Tesla screens fail all the time
To all the people debunking the screen bit: He kind of has a point, in 5-10 years will Geely be making these screens anymore? If this is a one off kind of part for a car, they won't be very available. Imagine if those 3D, curved TVs of 10 years ago were a key component of a car, they don't make them anymore, they can't be replaced. If this screen bakes in the Brisbane/Sydney sun for 5 years is it going to last that long? Heck even the buttons/screens in my Skoda from 9 years ago are extremely expensive to replace with genuine parts. Imagine what this widescreen will be!
Citstion needed. Byd is behind Tesla again. Tjey were in front of sales for one quater and they are behind again. That one quater does not mean they have more market share or have made more cars.
Ha.. when grand dad hops over to Mabel's for some crumpets and a quickie, he can do it in style.
And Geely is doing great job love their Polestar brand
There really should be a requirement for all control interfaces in vehicles meant for public roads to be open source, both hardware and software, and ideally compliant with some set of common standards (again, both hardware and software). That's really the only way you can resolve the issue you mention about the control displays going obsolete before the car does.
08:58 “ … they want the reliability … “ Don’t we all but “reliability” and “Chinese” haven’t really gone too well in the same sentence so far …
Screens last forever, and if it’s 8k, it’s not an issue for well over 10 years.
The longevity of the screen is a worry for me also. I recently upgraded my Mitubishi Outlander PHEV to a used Kia E Niro. My budget allowed for either a Tesla Model 3 OR the E Niro.
My budget isn’t inexhaustible and I tight with my cash. With the Tesla, I worry about the screen, controlling everything, and how much I’d have to pay to replace/repair it. With the Kia, I’ve got physical buttons, so if the screen fops on me - as long as I can still drive the car, I’d probably cheap out and drive it as-is.. I DO like the screen, but I’d not pay big money to replace it.
The Geely is a nice car - I’d love to know the range and stats
i mean the car only costs 20k so if the screen costs 3-5k to replace its not such a deal
I am getting really tired of these interiors. Bring back buttons and knobs and some colour that's not mostly black, grey and white. I remember when cars used to be a inviting space rather than a liminal space.
If it is the same as the EX30, then unfortunately the information panel and the guessing clock are also suffocating
looks amazing not sure if it'll still be that price when it makes it here but I still prefer my mid suv size vehicle, there's not much point having a huge boot when the aperture is so small
Nice one Elliott, another good video. Saloons do nothing for me. Hatchbacks and estate's are far more practical and in most cases better looking to.
Over the years,I have tossed two premium washing machines away because the screen replacement cost as much as a new machine!
Brillant E8 under the same group as Volvo,polestar, Zeekr..+ others.. 😊 the Zeekr 007 is the other sedan worth considering 😊
Re: obsolete technology worries -- that statement can be applied to every other EV car & truck manufacturer out there.
How would it be if you needed any repairs, motors, but also body panels too?
I like the fact that China automakers has no problem making EV sedans like the US automakers and don't tell me about what the numbers say.
If it's anything like BYD that £20k is gonna be more like £35k at least.
DEAR PRODUCERS
Could you PLEASE create a show or two covering V2* Capabilities ! Vehicle to Load is a BIG GOODY and so few know about it let alone understand what it can do. These Capabilities are a BIG Plus you can get from properly equipped EV's and can be a Godsend when "stuff happens" and you are without Grid Power.
Forget the car, where can I get the screen to just sit under my main monitors? All the weather and notifications I could ever want. :)
People talking about how much it costs to buy a car, come to Australia, where the average car costs 50-70% more than every other country.
8 k resolution screen ? The screen alone is almost 20k in the US 😊
Its because the have the economic of scale. I think Geely's is the among the one that heavily sharing its EV platform towards it's auto Group in a large scale for years. Now SEA platform has spawn more then 16 product from it was launch in 2021.
As an example, Ford only have 2 EV's with Mach E was a Cell to Pack in a heavily revise C2 platform while Lightning basically a Battery on frame platform.
GM have 9 cars under their Ultium platform but several cars sales just started in 2023. With its issues, we knew they are far away to reach economic of scale.
I was in this car not long ago, the rear seats were designed for kids below 10years old. Astonishingly limited room for the support of legs, too high the floor was. That makes an immediate pass.😂
Sounds promising. This for not much more than £20k. Not sure it will be that but the tech is good!👍🤞