Machine-Cylinder Smith and wesson model 686 for moon clips
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Machining S&W Model 686 cylinder to accept Full Moonclips in 2008.
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I just recently got my 986 back from
TK what an amazing job. All internals replaced with actual
Performance parts the chamfered cylinder is awesome.
Can’t wait to get it out and into some Steel
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A Full Moonclip is circular piece of spring steel or stainless steel designed to hold a full cylinder of ammunition for a revolver together as a unit. Therefore, instead of loading one round at a time or using a speedloader, with a Full Moonclip, a full cylinder of ammunition can be loaded and the fired cases are all extracted together as a unit. Thus expediting the revolver loading and unloading process. Unlike a speedloader, a Full Moonclip remains in the revolver during firing.
I think gunsmithing is one of the most beautiful arts
Home-Maker: If parts that go into a gun are beautiful, what about parts that go onto a F-14 TomCat jet fighter? Jet fighters are considered "weapons" too.
@@robmacfarlane5864 Not quite as intricate or "hands On".... Still beautiful
TK Custom did the cylinder on my 460V five inch muzzle brake equipped full lug barrel X-frame revolver. With their stainless steel moon clip for the five round cylinder made for the 45 ACP the moon clip also holds and allows shooting the 460 Rowland, the 45 Super and the 45 Winchester magnum. Very versatile as it still allows the 460 S&W magnum, 454 Casull and the longest factory loaded Taurus Judge and Smith and Wesson Governor 45 Long Colt loadings. And even 45 Schofield if you can find any.
An extra long firing pin installed allows all rimmed cartridges to fire reliably without need of a filler moon clip.
I see various opinions about coolant use and machining. This is a demo as stated. Coolant is essential if you want to prolong tool life, the harder the material and higher the cutting speed the more essential coolant is! It also helps huge amounts in quality of product finish as well as swarf removal! Cheers from John.
This isn’t 100% true. Most of your gun materials shed heat through chips quite well. In this case it’s such a small job there’s not much going on or material removed.
But on a lot of these harder alloys In my shop I run them dry with a lot of air to remove chips. And that’s better than dealing with temperature shock created from coolant causing cutters to detoriate faster.
This man has done 3 guns for me, S&W 45LC Mountain Gun, 454 Ruger Alaskan and Ruger Super Red Hawk 454. They shoot 454, 45LC and 45acp. The S&W shoots the 45LC and 45acp. This moon clip setup work wonderful, you won't be disappointed. Soon, I will send my S&W 686 to have the moon clips and a 9mm cut done.
Faster loading and much more reliable and faster unloading. Thanks for posting.
Factory headspace is mantained, which supports the cartridge for firing.
This is a cool video, and basically confirmed my thought process on how to do this. Good work sir.
Does this add stresses in the cylinder due to the removal of material?
Does the lack of support under the rim of the head on the case in the cylinder create any deformations in the brass case when fired, are they reloadable after fired?
These jobs give me that same sinking feeling you get just at the instant a tap "snaps"...
wow , nice job very clean. if you decide to do other guns I would be intrested
Think maybe you could feed that thing a little harder? There might still be some corners left on that end mill.
Also: Chip re-cutting is great for finish, tool life, etc :)
Best quality video for 2008.
Maybe just a shorter endmill? Doesn't have to be a 3 1/4 inch LOC to cut that little! Good video but I think a 5 flute tian coated about 1 inch or less would make this a lot better on your time and tool life !!
I have a ruger vaquero that came with a second cylinder that was drilled down to accept 45autos , the cartridge rim rests on the drilled down part. It is called a “special “ by tiger. And it’s not in any of their caaloges, or listed anywhere.
I recall Guns & Ammo touting the "wheel gun". Back then the Browning Hi-Power was referred to as an "automatic" and all of them were deemed unreliable. But people didn't like the slow process of reloading their wheel guns and speed loading research accelerated. Semi automatics were the thinking man's gun and if you had one that worked without jamming you made it your choice.
When was it? I see pistols being reliable at least since very late 70s. And the way people venerate the colt 1911 reinforces that idea. I cannot speak about those made in America, but the Hi Power from FN Herstal in Europe was itself a standard for reliability, the same way most licensed units around the world were. Even the Argentinean ones.
@@Neomalthusiano 1976. I went to buy a Honda motorcycle and the owner wore a gun. He suggested that you run several hundred rounds through your new semi auto to work out the kinks. People like Skeeter Skelton and others fought against the police department they worked for when the brass insisted on use of the semis being issued. He wanted "six sure shots" that a revolver had. It's all about money. No profit means no research. Glock 17 holds 18 9mm and you can find UA-cam video where the cop empties his gun as he backs away from the one that was pointed at him. John Browning designed the 1911 around the 45ACP HARDBALL. When the profiteers got hold of the 1911 they began to experiment with hollow points. To make money. And the 1911 began to jam. Gunsmiths began polishing and grinding the internals to make the 45ACP feed easier and eject the spent cartridges. In my opinion the 1911 was developed for profit and because reloading was very fast. When your hands shake it's hard to load six rounds of Long Colt 45. But the magazine makes it easier and very fast. I've seen a dead body on a slab that was dusted by 5 shots from a 38 in the upper torso. Not much difference from a 45 hole.
So that’s why it is neccesry to ship the cykk L Enders to TK Co. very interesting. Thank you.
@rmedwards18 He's likely doing it strictly for demo. If he was running coolant it would splatter all over the camera, etc. I am surprised he was running such high speed and feed also....but he was using nitrided cutting bits. He was removing such small amounts of tell that heat buildup really wouldn't be an issue for this demonstration.
Excellent video by the way.
Thanks for posting this video. This was very informative.
Nice fit. I would suggest using a carbide 4 flute end mill and Lubricant. You chould even use a shorter end mill and slow your feed rate to 3 inches per minute.
Too much chatter
But the fit is nice
@GalaticTG I had to laugh at this comment... I was subconsciously wanting to do the same thing. Very cool video tkcustom46. I love that conversion.
Awesome video! Should have sent my 625 to you when I still had it. Gave up on it too quickly.
No refitting of ANY internal parts is necessary at all.
@HaywireHaywood
Not an issue.
Tom
Some rookie machinist is going to see you climb cutting and try it. SNAP
As simple as that guys 😂😂😂😂😂😂.big up 👍👍👍👍
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Most people believe this is done on a CNC machine, a regular milling machine and a dividing head it's all that's needed besides the skill to use it.
why did you spare the coolant?
as far as I know, you will need it, or is that a special tool?
It´s obvious that it was done with an regular machine, if you use a CNC-machine you will do this with an circular interpolation.
lukas anton j. You don't need coolant for this little bit of machine work. I never use coolant.
If you say so...
lukas anton j.
Why?
On a manual machine, doing a part this small, you do NOT need coolant. You have to understand the difference between coolant and cutting oil.
Coolant is to cool the cutter and workpiece, evacuate chips, keep down sparks, and lightly lubricate the cut. Cutting oil is a far better cutting fluid, on a job this small chip evacuation is not a problem, nor are sparks or excessive heat. So cutting oil is the far better option, plus it's not nearly as messy, get gummy, and doesn't need a pump system.
None need for lube with the endmills we use now in 2017
@disturbedone5009 there is a rim/ledge left and it catches the rim of the bullets. It's the same length as stock.
My country is only allowed to have airsoft hand guns. I'd like to ask you, the 686 is 357Magnum Revolver. What ammunition to load with a clip? Will you also replace the barrel?
625 .45 acp NONE
625 LC can be machined to accept .45 acp clips & shoot both rounds.
Tom
I think it's unneccesary feature...You can use speed loader for quickly load rounds in the cylinder...I have both 6 shot and 7 shot versions,nothing so excited for me about 686 or any other models.....The revolver is more reliable than pistols,it would rotate any not working round and fire next one but revolvers only have limited amount of rounds,maximum load of revolver is 8 rounds,Nagant revolver carrying 7 rounds...The most fast revolvers to reload is Webley's,there used to be reloading clips but they cost even more than revolver itself and very rare to spot....Webley MK6 is the largest caliber ever made,with conversion commercial .45 caliber reduced load rounds could be used with moon clips,for better result special quality .45 barrel and cylinder to be made in order to accept .45 ACP standard rounds,modification of barrel latch spring also requires so it hold retainer intact without loosing out....I like Webley's very much,they reliable type of revolvers and extract casings fast than any modern type revolvers,I also like small ELG Lieg revolver .32 caliber,it reassembles Webley mechanism but only hold 5 shots in cylinder.....
Faster speedloads. Can do in 1.5 seconds
IMBECIL,,ESTUPID
@@mediosinformativosdelsuryn6134 why is that? You not understand the concept
Even if its a demo, doesn't that cause excessive ware to the bit and tooling equipment?
THAT'S THE PART OF THE REVOLVER
Wakashi Flain no shit sherlock
No it's not! it's a milling machine. : \
Taurus 608 is the same concept. No video. Redundant video.
@Koi880
No CN,, done on rotatary table by hand....
awesome job
@raymond454
This was a demo. I use oil in the real machining....
Disculpa quiero un cilindro de calibre 38 . En cuanto lo vendes?
Do you do that to the Cylinder of a Ruger Redhawk, in .45 Colt, so it can handle .45 ACP In a Moon Clip? Yes
@Koi880
This was a demo. I use oil in the real machining....
Metal composition is as S&W makes it.
Esse tambor de se 38 é feito de qual de qual peça
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why no coolant? Will make the endmill last longer
you think we'd see whats goin on with coolant splashing out on everything
What size endmill and how many RPM? Do you have a video on cutting the ratchets?
1/4" & 5/16" / RPM now 2017 is 2070. / Must machine ratchet to accept the moonclip.
how'd you de-burr that, it looks really good.
Quando eu estiver aí eu vou procurar alguém que faz armas, e vou pedir para fazer um revolver 410 de oito tiros.
Really, really cool!
@nuttyape Most stainless firearms are 416 stainless. I don't know if Smiths are.
Do you need to use special autoloader cartridges for speed loaders or can you use normal .357 and .38 cartridges?
Would be nice just to be able to buy a cylinder already machined for the make and model of gun
You don't have any Taurus 608 mooncliped video?
such a pity this was done to so many .455s -do that today and the collectors will have you shot!
I want to see gun makers machine the chambers recessed like they used to. Similar to rimfire.
Fantastic job sir thank you 👍👍👍👍👍
nice work.
Can this be done on a Taurus m605 5 shot 357mag ?!
I love stuff like this. How difficult is it to operate a mill?
2 or 3 years apprentiship should do it.
Nice work
Nice work
That was interesting i used to shoot a 686 6inch untill the british people were denied the rights to shoot at targets. Its a great gun.
Do you make your own clips too?
I've only seen them for .45 acp.I've got an old S&W 1917(1937 Argentine contract).
This leaves the web of the case unsupported. Does shooting full house magnum loads result in bulged cases?
Please help me with a question. Why don't they forge it? It is economical. Or they can't forge it?
A mi me gustaria saber cómo hacer un arma repetidores del calibre q sea pero letal para un cirvo
Great modification
you should blow the chips away with the compress air gun or smth?
I machine them for the use of moonclips.
@SUSSTURUCU
No that would be illegal.....
Yeh, that's what I was going to say, but I suppose you wouldn't be able to see much if you had coolant splashing everything away.
Do you heat treat them to spec when you finish?
that looks great. the chamfered edge looks factory
Cylinder must be machined to accept clips.
you really dont want the part to stay warm because when it gets to the room temperature the dimensions wont fit anymore, cooling is always necessary
Great video!!
is it possible to machine a .45acp cylinder for a webley so that you wont have to risk exploding the converted original cylinder?
I am going to be machining my model 60 cylinder for moon clips in the near future. I was wondering where a guy might find the blueprints for the full moon clip profile. I will be doing this in the cnc at work and would like to machine the full profile around each of the ratchets and was just curious if there's a print available? I'm a toolmaker by trade FWIW. Nice video! Thanks!
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meus deus ! é assim a seco sem refrigeração na fresa ?
willamms macena i thinks it's a demo
What is the point of doing this to a 625? Can you explain? It's my determining factor of me sending it in. Thanks
@Koi880
oo Damage....
Question . just bought a 686-6 357m If the cylinder is machined for moon clips can it be shot without using moon clips.?? Thanks
Yes it can!
@@tkcustom Thank you !!
@@tkcustom Do you get your same cylinder back that you send in ?
beautiful work...damn.. hey ..I converted my 1858 .36 cal pietta. to .36lc ..I bought a Taylor & co. drop in cylinder for 220$ and now I have the old bp cylinder.. I called around. noone will mill out the .36 cylinder ..to .38 for me..so I can just buy a back plate and then have 2 drop in .38lc ...would u be interested?
Nice clean machine work sir!
Is this a viable modification for Ruger SP101 handguns?
Jason McKinney yes Gemini Custom does the 101
Why not just use the right ammo?
I need this done
would have been nice if HD
It's a demo.
What advantage does this have over just using speed loaders?
I hate the hole for the safety lock key, rediculse!
Obviously you know what you're doing there's no doubt about that but I see no sense in modifying my revolver to fire any ACP round if I wanted that I would just get a Smith & Wesson 1917 a good friend of mine has one he doesn't even shoot it
Ouch SS is difficult to machine, good work.
I machine it all day..... Just don't want to deburr it!
Nah...Stainless is easy to machine unless your cutting 17-4 and you let the tool dwell,then it work hardens.
Would it be worth doing this to a single action 45lc, to have custom individual c-rings to hold 45acp.
Can you tell me the cost
Amazing
@GalaticTG
Experience
Can be done we a two axis prototrak
Ok pls what side size of a bid do u use
Nice
Hi
and thats the way it is
very good!
@tkcustom46 then why is there tape to protect the finish of the cylinder?
why didnt water or oil
$100.00 for thr machining. I ONLY do S&W
No Ruger? Taurus?