North Korean M49 PPSh Submachine Gun
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In 1949, North Korea began production of a domestic copy of the Soviet PPSh-41 submachine gun. Designated the M49, it used a blend of Russian and Chinese characteristics, but was mechanically identical to the standard model, distinguishable only by its markings and its slightly oval-shaped stock profile.
Production began in a factory located in Pyongyang, which was briefly captured by Allied forces in late 1950. Upon retaking the city, the Korean government moved production to a safer location farther north, where the guns continued to be made until 1955.
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PPSh was the noise I made in the tub when I had naval battles with my toys.
I was 26.
You're just a cog in the machine
Everyone that watches this channel can relate
you are as old as you feel...
Toys, navel?
I envy you.
Legend says that if you pronounce the PPSh name wrong, a cat will come to you.
That means americans have cat stalking them all the time I presume.
Ian used to be one of them i think, didn´t he also insist on pronouncing the "h" in DShK like in PPSh?
Well to be fair the way the name is rendered in English makes no sense. There is no such thing as a “Sh” character in English so it should have just been translated to “PPS41”.
Even when you dont have a cat?
@@simplymadness8849 But then you confuse it with the letter “es” as in Sudayev.
Also the SH digraph is the English equivalent of the Cyrillic letter Sha. And it could be worse, they could have used “W” because it looks most like a Sha similar to how we ended up with CCCP rather than SSSR for the Soviet Union.
The plugged barrel was actually a rate reducing modification from the supreme leader to save ammo.
They couldn't afford a barrel so they just added a cylindrical piece of metal to mimic a barrel for intimidation purposes
Heresy! Such a crime against the state must be punished! The Supreme Leader could never make a gun that would dare run out of ammo!
“It hasn't been fired, only dropped once”
It was made to safe enemys troops..
yet another of dennis rodmans collection comes up at rock island.
he showed me his father, they were cryogenically frozen
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LoL
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That asshole "rodman" wouldn't know what to do with it.
On 7 May 1952 my Dad was hit across the chest with a burst from a M49 PPSh in Korea. Two bullets got through the bulletproof vest at the right shoulder. and another bullet lodged in his left elbow as well as innumerable grenade fragments in the arms, face, and eye. He then spent the next 16 months as a POW and was released on 3 September 1953.
If you ever have opportunity to visit South Korea, visit The Korean War Memorial museum in Seoul!
Great, great exhibits & displays on forces who fought in the Korean War. Uniforms, weapons, clothing, etc. I think you will appreciate it and a tribute to your dad's service & sacrifice.
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@@justforever96 even then, most of these vests only protect from pistol bullets. Rifle bullets at close range will still penetrate.
Sure stick mags are reliable but using sexy drums is of paramount importance
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine But also the weight and bulk!
@@kw9849 because it's made for men
But the gun is like 1.5x longer and heavier than a ppsh
@@Gameprojordan which is why it's more accurate and has less recoil
@@Gameprojordan The Suomi is like 1.5" longer than a PPSH, it's negligible
My dad fought the Pusan Perimeter, Korea, 1950. He said that gun was very frightening, but the troops were very bad, so it was less of a threat. Neat gun - neat video!
Wow, that's actually a quite interesting comment.
My grandfather said something similar in that when they'd be attacked it was the artillery and machine guns that were the problem, the NK soldiers were not very skilled on attack. However when it came time for the 'Allied' (his words, his unit was partnered with a South Korean Army unit) to attack the North Korean troops were much tougher because they were fighting for their lives.
I'm sure that all changed when China took over the fighting.
even a "bad" soldier with 900 rpmx30 men is scary to any one... cuz even with poor aim that it a ton of lead heading your way....
@@fortusvictus8297 The first Chinese divisions to enter Korea were also crack troops, containing many battle hardened men that fought the Kuomintang from 1945-49. Some of the officers had been serving nonstop since 1936. These troops were well trained in infiltration and shock tactics that gave the UN forces a good licking in the winter of 1950. Unfortunately, most of these troops were wasted in abortive offensives into South Korea, so by 1951 most Chinese troops were raw conscripts.
@@Hellston20a you mean fortunately , right?
I just gotta say, if you're gonna plug a barrel, use lead or tin so it can be melted out and it doesn't damage the weapon cause these are really priceless artifacts, man
@@justforever96 I'm not sure about the law in the US, but in Canada and the EU it's only supposed to be irreversible in the eyes of the government. Legally if one wants to deactivate a gun, they should cause as little damage to it as they can so that they could eventually reactivate it. I'm sure most firearm deactivation laws don't specify what metal to use, so it's best to just do it with tin or lead.
@@TARKHPERUNOVICH US law is destruction, specifically cutting the receiver into at least three parts using a torch that removes at least a quarter-inch of material with each cut, and they specify certain features such as fire control that one of the cuts must pass through. This is because in the US the receiver is the only regulated component. Whereas basically everywhere else in the world instead regulates the pressure-bearing components like the barrel and/or bolt. If the barrel was plugged it probably passed through Canada at some point, and their deactivation laws specify using a hardened steel core welded into the chamber with the weld being of similar hardness as the other metal in the firearm.
Officially, the M49 PPSh was made by our Glorious Eternal President Kim Il-sung in a wooden cabin but the Soviets will have you believe they invented it
Ah yes I see
Well. He is not so eternal now.
@@PieterBreda Wrong, dissident!
Yeah................ Shure he did. And I'm Andrew Jackson.
Sorry. Our Glorious Eternal and Beloved Leader, in his exquisite wisdom, made this Divine intervention.
Came across them in Mozambique in the mid 80's. A really nice shooting gun ,when you are on the right side of the weapon.
Man I'd bet you have some stories
@@skylerdeboer8875 was glad we had FAL's and way better training .
Mid 80s in Mozambique? With a FAL?
Be interesting to know how and who you were with?
@@Angus762 You have raised my intrest friend, care to share more?
Mid-80s in Mozambique with an FAL, eh? I'd hazard a guess you were in the SADF at the time.
Big PP energy
LOL! ^_^
SH.
He does say "Sexy looking"
Haha, he said Big
And a lot of PP energy.
4:36 Serial Number is ㄴㄴ8ㅗ6(NN8O6)
@@petermgruhn I'm also thinking about reading it in an upside down direction.If it is correct to see it upside down, the serial number will be 'ㄱㄱ8ㅜ9(KK8U9 or GG8U9)'.
P.S. I can not write English very well. So the sentence might be a little weird because I used a translator.
If it is a Korean character it would be equivalent to an "n" sound in English.
Update: But it could also be "91877" as some commentators have pointed out.
ㄴ
it honestly looks like a (communist) hammer to me
n sound
I looked like the number was upside down and it was 91877
That really depends which way you read that serial number. To me the ㄴ ("nieun")is inverted, meaning it should read ㄱ ("giyeok"). One main reasons why is the "8" looks inverted if read starting with "ㄴㄴ..."So, it should read "9?8ㄱㄱ".
So youre telling me this piece of exellent machinery wasnt invented by kim-il sung 1500 years ago?
“That gun really was made by Hattori Hanzo”
*pops the action*
*THUD*
"its a tremendously simple gun."
gun is stronk!
That is Soviet enginering for you. Simple, durable, and reliable.
@@troyjardine5850 the sovjet neded a enginer for that. I thought buba could do that. in the garage. If he could. get him self to be sober for a few hours.
@@exploatores Soviet engineer didn't need to get himself sober. Why would bubba?
seeing old guns that are deactivated gives me the big sad everytime I see one!
Well luckily it's sold as transferrable so you can actually just get a replacement barrel and have a gunsmith take a crack at it
@@BlazingCyclone1337 correct, but a pure gun is always better than a molested one. I hope this practice is not performed anymore. still, it's better than taking a gun apart and melting it T_T
@@eclipse.Alkosoof that's fair and I'm also glad it was saved
Guys, remember some places in the world, a molested one is better than one melted or cut into scrap.
@@DickSwordOnDiscord agreed
We called it "Ttabalchong" and it means automatic gun or its sounds. (I'm a Korean. We usually verbalize the gun sounds as "tta tta tta." Like bang bang)
I've got a deactivated Russian PPSh-41. It's deactivated in compliance with Norwegian law, with holes drilled through the barrel, the barrel and chamber clogged with metal, and the firing pin and bolt face milled off diagonally. The trigger group and magazine are still intact though.
Samme her! Kjøpte min på Finn for 4-5 år siden. Min er plombert på samme måte.
I kinda hope that whoever buys this throws it over at Mark Novak to get running again, and lets them put videos of the process up and about.
I was thinking the exact same thing. You beat me to it
What a beautiful creation from our glorious leader! No one else could make anything like it!
Alot of people could make things far better and they have... sooooo lol
@@commodore92 #Camp 3 generations for disrespecting Dear Leader.
@@commodore92 That went over your head huh?
@@commodore92 How dare you! Dissident! Traitor!
@@Hubert_Cumberdale_ lol it sure did and I now realize I'm retarded. I rarely miss a joke like that so I'm not too sure what happened in my brain. Carry on boys
It is interesting to note that the factory in which these were produced was tooled up under Japanese rule of Korea as the Heijo Branch Arsenal of Jinsen Arsenal (Incheon) supplied by the latter. I have seen scanty references to suggest that attempts were made to tool up the Type II Simplified SMG pattern which was in practice only put into production just before the end of the war at Mukden (Shenyang). In the event, I expect the M49 was the first SMG produced at the factory.
That explains why they were able to put these into production so quickly.
The serial number seems to be "ㄴㄴ816" which is like "NN816". Maybe a N. Korean production code?
Could be but korens don't usually use ㄴ on it's own so itd be more 느, maybe they copied off of someone else?
The orientaion of the 8 quite clearly shows that you and Ian are reading the serial number upside down.
I think it is: 9u8gg
Could be ㄴ. But a bit strange looking. Strange to be an L too. Also, "1" in "816" looks strange. I am Korean but I cannot make it out. Could be 1 but doesn't really look like anything I have seen.
Could that be 9T877?
Well for a first production year 91877 seems to be a bit optimistic. But who knows, maybe it's following along another production line
Should mass produce these in full auto and release them into the civilian market. Media will be like, pfft wood stock, looks ugly, nothing to worry about. *Laughs in mini A-10*
It looks beautiful to me lol
Going to 9mm would be the best option, then again, it would just be a suomi.
@@1LouSassel honestly, in the recent few year wake of extreme 9mm popularity? I would think .40 is the best option, simply for availability.
@BxxDxx Hoodoo jesus
They would look at the drum mag and be like It NeEdS a 10 RoUnD mAg
Love this channel. I haven’t the slightest interest in firearms, but really enjoy the history and engineering stories
While we are on the subject on the PPSH Ian, do you think you could ever do a video about the MP41(r), the German 9mm conversion of a captured PPSH-41?
MP 717(r)?
I’ve actually got one.
Yes please.
Funny how the Soviets wanted a submachine gun with a low rate of fire like the MP40 and the Germans wanted one with a high rate of fire like the PPSh. It's like everything seems more effective when they are shooting at you with it.
Didn't they just shoot 7.65 Mauser out of the captured PPSH?
I’ve got a BFONG (blank fire only non gun) PPsh41 and it is fun to shoot during the July 4th and New Year holidays. Ian is right about the rate of fires as my 71 round drum magazine empties in seconds.
These are now mainly used in military parades in Kim Il-sung square and I believe also by the Worker Peasant Red Guards which is the paramilitary of the Workers Party of Korea.
Pe-pe-shA. So nice and correct pronunciation. This gun also has nickname Papasha [Pa-pA-sha, means Daddy] because it sounds almost similar. May be i already said that, i don`t remember )
>1949
So before they started with the dating system based on Kim Il Sung's birthdate.
Correct. North Korea only began using Kim Il-sung's birth as year one in 1997, three years after his death.
I wondered the same thing, I didn't know when they started using the new calendar
Somewhere there's a very happy North Korean eating a bag of cheetos and a slim jim Ian bribed him with in exchange for the M49
let’s hope he doesn’t get clapped for being a western spy
I'd gladly add some air Jordan's to see and raise Ian's bid.
I picked up a MIG 21 for a box of Twinkies and bunch of old Playboy magazines from the 1980s.
A slim jim could feed a whole family for a day...
@@deniskozlowski9370 What a deal!
I’ll try and snag a Shenyang J-6 and maybe a T-54 with a Hooters calendar and some Nathan’s hot dogs coupled with powdered eggs and some home fries.
I seen one at a gun show in the 80s and it had 2 bullet impact dents on it.
One on the barrel shroud and another back at the front of reciever.
Looked to be still functional. I held it and looked at it but didn't operate the bolt or controls.
I was pleased to hold it.
Thanks for the information on it Buddy.
Take care.
Ian is a fucking legend, throughout 2020 this man still pumped out quality videos
The iconic symbol of the North Korean Army during the Korean War.
The iconic symbol of the communist revolution in North Korea is now auctioned off in the US - ironic
@@Betterhose Not really. Capitalism has no ideological agenda, no good or evil, only supply and demand. If it was North Korea selling off its supplies to improve the economy, that would have been ironic.
Wait a minute, it actually did happen. Only with USSR, not DPRK.
@@vaclav_fejt
Don't take things so serious.
I think it's funny.
@@Betterhose Good for you. :) I am a bit of an overthinker.
@@vaclav_fejt No, don't you worry the DPRK has done it on numerous occasions. Turns out running pachinko parlors wont exactly keep the national treasury afloat, so on multiple occasions the DPRK has sold off captured UN equipment and much of its own outdated or broken equipment to states even worse off than the DPRK is now.
Just started binging on the Korean War and here is a video by one of my favorite channels! 2020 ain't so bad.
if you look at the number LL816 thats more like 91877 give it a thought
Thought the same thing 👍
I though the same, except the date and the serial number would have opposite orientation.
I wish you would have a playlist or compilation of just the history of the guns you present while I enjoy the inner workings and tear down of some of the more unique guns I like listening to the history more.
Ian's moving through this one as fast as it shoots
As usual, very interesting and informative. Thanks Ian. God bless all here.
I’ve always thought the PPSh was a great looking gun, but being a N.Korean version this would be a great collectors piece. Bet it could tell a few stories too!
P.s. as others have said, I think Ian was reading the serial no. Upside down
In my opinion, the serial number should be read upside down : 91877.
My dad use to face the ppsh in angola swapo use to use a variety of soviet block weapons but the ppsh wasn't very effective in the bush war setting
Ian always succeeds to amaze me :)
MASH Finale played over the weekend, very fitting
Dík, Vaše videa jsou opravdovým přínosem. Mnoho jedinečných zbraní, které ukazujete, nelze jinde vidět.
It’s 5:15AM and I haven’t slept yet but I can’t sleep at all
Same!
Only in America could an unusable, not "readily restored" weapon be registered as transferrable. Looks DEWAT-ish to me.
Well, it's more an acknowledgement that someone could restore it. It was probably registered back in the day and never noted as "destroyed", so it's legal to restore it.
All it takes is a simple barrel replacement
@@B.D.B. I've done several they are pretty simple to re activate
@@B.D.B. Czechia too but I believe there are special restrictions on them, like they're for collectors purposes only but don't have to be deactivated but you can't shoot them weird as that all sounds
Ian and his black table cloth! ( presumably RIA supply the curtains!)
reactivation shouldn't be too hard. The pivot/barrel retention pin is removable by separating the wedge half from the feather half. Then the barrel can slid out the rear. Provided that the barrel dimensions are standard warsaw pact, an off the shelf replacement barrel is readily available. People use them in their semi auto ppsh builds.
It looks like Tec-9 but they made it bigger and with some wood.
@keith moore turn this into a closed bolt and let's see how well it runs.
@keith moore they were built to a price point what do you expect? They did resolved the cracked frame issues.
@keith moore that is more thanks to hollywood wood than marketing. High point on the other hand.... You should read up on some of the crap thier sole distributor got up to.
Ian, is there a point in extending the barrel of PPSh if the gases still has some unused energy left when bullet leaves the barrel? Will it seriously affect RoF into higher numbers and will it cause malfunctions?
Extending the barrel would increase the muzzle velocity, but not by much, and it would add a bit of weight. Perhaps they felt that it was an optimum length for 7.62 Tokarev. I'm not an expert but I don't think barrel length affects the rate of fire of an open-bolt SMG.
@@AshleyPomeroy it's a simple blowback, you're extending the time bullet needs to leave the barrel and thus also the time that gasses push onto the bolt, making it move faster.
Damn... This thing killed lot of Civilians and POWs during the Korean War. Lots of them. In Korean people call this gun as '따발총'(For unknown reasons) and it became a symbol for North Korean soldiers killing civilians. One such civilian is my great-grandfather, who was shot by KPA soldiers(Along with his ALL the other family members. One exception was my grandfather), because he gave food and water to retreating ROKA soldiers. Horrors and Pains regarding North Korean PPShs, I can't describe them all.
Poland did use ppsh but did not produce, polish army considered PPS a better choice and even created a solid stock variant
Thank you , Ian .
5:13 in the morning time for forgotten weapons
I could be wrong as I don’t read Korean either, but is it possibly the serial number 91877
I do read Korean. I agree that the serial number is 91877. Koreans do not abbreviate with initials. They abbreviate with syllables. For example, the abbreviation for Kyungbook National University, Kyeongbuk Dae Haggyo (경북대학교 ) is Kyeongdae (경대).
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PPSH looks so cool its so simple to make
4:41 the number "8" should have smaller top, so you should read it as upside down, which would be 9T877 something like that
judging by the 8 and the 9 (6), i'm fairly certain you've read the serial upside down.
i think it's 9T877, probably with the 9 signifying the year of production, 1949.
i also think the 7s were probably struck using upside down L stamps.
and finally, the T could be hangul ㅜ, but i'm pretty sure it's just a roman T.
Why would they use any roman letters?
I seem to recall that the first North Korean produced PPSh is on display along with the 100m target that the Dear Leader shot with it. Does anyone doubt that every hit was a bullseye?
One neat hole from all 71 rounds.
Guided by the Glorious Leader's Godly powers no doubt. Truly, Best Korea reigns supreme. 10 Trillion americans alone have been felled by the Great Leader's own hands!
I love these guns so glad you showed it
Genuine question. Im from Poland and i never heard someone call it "Papasza". It always was "Pepesza" with e (sz is spelled in polish like sh). Even on historical programs in tv or internet. I first heard it on English-speaking part of yt. Was it/Is it really called "Papasza" in Soviet/Modern Russia?
I'm pretty sure Russians call it Pepesza, too
Correct.
Yes, as a Russian I can state that it was pronounced "Papasha" in Russia (though you could also pronounce it as PPSh). The "П" can be pronounced as Pa. In fact the weapon had apparently gotten the endearing name "Папаша" (Papasha but with emphasis on the second pa sound) which is an endearing form of the word father.
In hungarian we just call it a PPSh
@@maximhyland5843 Yeah. That's the difference between Russian and Polish. While П can be read as "Pa", P in Polish is read as "Pe". Both of those are reading aloud the acronym. PPSh in Russian (
ППШ) and PPSz in Polish. Both are correct in respective languages.
PPSh, heck of a shotgun.
Mark Novak can make that gun run!
So I was todays years old when I found out that FÉG made PPShs. I have NEVER seen one.
900 rpm... just like trying to shoot out the red star on a boardwalk. Lol
I just did the math on that... 16 rounds per second.
That's 2 seconds for one mag.
4 seconds for the drum.
Lol 🤦♂️
Just like the proof mark...coincidence?
I’d be interested to hear if Karl and Ian would rather take one of these into combat or a Thompson M1928? I think I recall one of them saying they’d prefer to use a MP-40 over the Thompson
“Less sexy looking” -Gun Jesus 2020
1:30 has anyone noticed the shoddy sights on the gun?
It's north korea dude.
"Barely trained slave in a communist sweatshop" generally aren't characteristics of a professional and skilled gunsmith :)
Yes. The flip from 1 to 200 yards doesn't seem to be different at all.
now i will use that when i grow up
Every time I see a PPSh41 I want a modernized one with magpul sga stock and mlok forend.
Hi, Ian. I give the stock an OK, but the metalworks are too cheap to be acceptable. At that rate of fire, I guess they had a constant shortage of ammo. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
North Korean weapons are so interesting
@@SonOfTheDawn515 century arms be like
Hey Ian,
Do you think you could get your hands on experimental Czech rifles? I really enjoyed your overwiev of CZ-2000 LADA and i got something really interesting for you. SA 81 KRASA. It was experimental extremelly short lightweight 7,62x39 pistol with "pullpup pistol" style mechanism. Its curently in czech Military history muzeum "VHÚ" as well as dozens weird and quirky czech weapon prototypes.
91877, I think at 4:35, i think they stamped it upside down, or at least thats what makes sense to me xD- great video though very educational
just saw a modern NK parade and had a moment of "hold on, is that a ppsh??"
glad to see I was right!
The "10" and "20" descriptions were hectometers, a unit still used by germans and soviets in artillery context in WW2.
I think you were reading the serial number upside down. If we take the smaller loop of an 8 to be the top, what you thought were L's are either 1's or 7's and the number is either 91811 0r 97877 (or maybe 91877).
I've always wanted to fire one of those (well, any ppsh41 really). Never had the opportunity.
In the words of my favorite Zombie Slayer Tank Dempsey...
"Rapid Fire Sweetness."
4:41 i think this could be just 9T877 with upside down.
We(korean)ve been made some muskets or old weapon before 1940's, but there are not much of experience to massproducing firearms, i think.
So it makes sence if they just stamped letter up-side-down.
Or if it is not letter T, it could be something similar with russian letter, if they import machine from them and went to production right away.
Eary 20th century was such a chaos in our history, so anything could be happen...
Gun for Elbonia post WW2 - PPSh. WW2 winner gun, check. Will make noobs happy. Expensive to manufacture magazine, check. Eats ammo like candies, check.
Gun for the rest - PPS, SKS or AK. PPSh is not expensive to manufacture compared to PPD. Wood stock got extra costs compared to PPS.
It have to be in a obscurely small useless caliber or some obscurely large impractical caliber to be true Elbonian
The dust on that rear sight screams of attic or grandpa’s closet!
it will make a really handy cavalry weapon.
plugged barrel.what a slap in the face.
Gun Jesus must have special connections to get hold of really neat guns like that.
My dad served in the Korean war. He called the PPsh "the burp gun", the 35 round magazine sounded like a burrrrrp when fired. He said the north Korean soldiers would charge in human waves. Some of them had rifles others just had hand grenades with the rings through their fingers, they tried to throw all of them at once. Scary stuff. Great video. Thank you.
Wonder how Ian pronunce dr. Pepper. Like dr. Pappar?
WW2(1939. 09. 01~1945. 08. 15)
Korean War(1950. 06. 25~1953. 07. 27)
IF I had the money I would preserve this for others to enjoy.
Hell of a shotgun
Playing video games, my brother and I always called it the Pippish.
What a magnificent creation of Dear Leader!
Soviet/Korean thompson goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Ian, I have always been curious about how exactly “war trophy“ guns were legally brought back into the States. If you saw active duty in any branch of service and happened to get possession of a firearm, were you just legally permitted to bring it back home and claim it? Full auto even? I never learned how that worked.
Then? It is possible. Now? Nope, not anymore (unless you have your CO look the other way)...
3:37 captian america!
I am thinking 81877, looking at it from the other direction?
heck of a shotgun
You mean the gun won't fire without probably one of the world's easiest barrel swaps? :D
I love my Polish Ppsh41 copy. Its very reliable until you fire it with low over head cover and the brass bounces off the cover and back into the muzzle brake.
are you sure it’s Polish? because from what I know they only have made PPS copies but not PPSh.
@@randomperson-fr8ig yes I am sure. In Polish service the correct designation is PM wz.41.
Oooh, a DEWAT. Nice.
4:40
its upside down. should say: 9T877