It's not a win in my book, the "apology" is just the classic "I'm sorry i didn't get away with it this time". I am baffled with the amount of people accepting it as a win...
@Sniperdaddy420 russian based but headquarters is in UK. The uk has consumer protection agencies who can levee lawsuits. They have a window to remediate and that's what we are seeing now
Ofc why wouldn't he? Way too many players would have bought such packages if they give them an advantage. We are all saying pay2win no one wants this, yet a skin in cod that is broken and too dark was bought millions of times. Just as an example. Milk milk milk. Mobile games style
This studio has, on numerous occasions, engaged in incredibly anti-consumer practices. Back around 2018 for example, they flat out refused to refund the game for players with zero in-game playtime when they couldn't even launch the game properly, due to the game not working on certain hardware configurations. If your average gamer grew a backbone and boycotted these studios as they should, these business practices would disappear within a year.
Hes trying to have the mindset of an average Eastern European owner/developer in a game with a big western audience. If Tarkov had an overwhelmingly majority Russian/Eastern European audience I bet this shit would've just flown under the radar and the playerbase would've just accepted it they're used to shit like this.
@@saschaberger3212 Nobody wants P2W to exist, but if it does exist then anyone serious about competition has to engage in the practice or else they lose to those who did
Who made you UA-cam's resident psychologist? It was a mistake, and you'd be hard-pressed to prove otherwise. Unless you can prove in court that he had the mens rea, then your argument is worthless.
"This is NOT DLC. I will now tell you exactly what I believe a DLC is..." *proceeds to describe exactly what this update is, confirming its status as DLC*
Exactly, the single player mode is a major addition. He should have said DLC are small additions, like cosmetics. (he'd still be wrong, but at least with his "definition" he'd be accurate)
According to me, If you have to purchase the base game to play the DLC then it is a DLC, if not, then it's a standalone thing..but i can already see some grubby developer twisting this and naming their new releases as a seperate thing instead of calling DLC, maybe there should be a comprehensive definition of DLC
@@kanavkohli794 there is. iTS CALLED DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. thats literally what DLC stands for. its its a part of a game. thats not in the base game. its DLC.
@@DeputyFishok but what if the content doesn’t need to be downloaded? Server side updates can introduce new features without requiring a download. You’re just writing out the acronym, not explaining it.
The future DLC will probably have 2 versions. A basic version and a full version. Both will be sold but they will 100% push the full version. They’ll give the basic version to EOD holders and say “you got the DLC, you want more and it will be an upgrade charge!” While also pushing the more expensive full version everywhere.
I'm reminded of an episode of Rocko's Modern Life, they are driving up the road and see all these advertisements for a ski resort that "everything is $5" and they get there and pay the entry fee and get inside to find out that "every THING is $5"
I remember once when I was an edgy teenager I said something a teacher didnt like, so I had to go see the principal, who told me I had to apologize. So I went back to the teacher and said "Im sorry i have to apologize to you" and got detention. 10/10 totally worth it. This man is about as mature as I was when I was 14, but with less sense of humor.
As an EOD owner, I e-mailed one of the 3 law firms that are sueing Battlestate Games for defrauding & false advertisement. Looking forward to the results.
@@justinhough3169I believe they are only in the collecting evidence phase and are waiting 30 days since that'd remove a lot of excuses the devs can make, and then bonus points if the devs dig themselves an even deeper hole and do stuff such as changing the terms on their website which is evidence this whole situation is intentional
“I’m sorry you guys are experiencing these feelings” is the exact same as when that job you hated told you “I’m sorry you feel that way” right before you quit. Though it won’t happen, imagine the change they’d implement and offer if even just 25% of their player base completely quit the game and didn’t play it at all in 2024.
It's only streamers and cheaters. Idk why people keep giving this game more money. He actively encourages rmt and cheating. The main revenue stream of BSG is people buying new accounts to cheat. The game has been confirmed to have cheaters in about 80% of maps. It's disgusting.
2:34 "This is like trying to argue that a poop is not a shit." I've just found my new favourite Charlie quote. Literally my exact thoughts on this whole situation; bravo!
To clarify, EOD was $175-150 after upgrading. Unheard was an additional $150 for EOD owners not $250. Now it's 70% and it's $50 upgrade even tho you'll get it free.
@@yournamethere123 just saying it takes creativity to fail so spectacular and uniquely isn’t that its own accomplishment lol 😂 and I’m not an AmErIICAN SO RRY
Fandom: “This is a new game mode” Nik: “That is correct” F: “we have to pay for it and download it” N: “That’s right” F: “DLC means it’s content we have to download after the game released and we have to pay extra for” N: “That makes sense to me!” F: “So this new game mode is DLC!” N: “It’s not DLC”
@@lanabobana3311 So someone apologizing for hurting your feelings after you make it clear to them is wrong? Guess it depends on what you confront them for. Like if you confront someone about denying the holocaust, then yeah... "I'm sorry that you feel that way." is an awful response. But if someone accidentally hurt your feelings and you confront them about THAT, then that response would be perfectly fine, empathetic even.
@@Ss4Goten There's obvious nuances and context to take into consideration with that, and you're honestly just twisting it, someone apologizing for hurting your feelings and someone saying "sorry you feel that way about it" are two different things, ones more likely to be genuine, and ones a slap in the face.
@@Ss4Goten No, saying I'm sorry you feel that way is essentially just saying "Sorry you're a little baby and got your feelings hurt over nothing" The correct way to be empathetic in a situation like that is to take responsibility, even if it was an accident, and say "I'm sorry -I- made you feel that way." It's very nuanced but it's the difference between putting the blame entirely on the other person and almost making it seem like they're annoying you for sharing their dumb feelings with you that they shouldn't have or taking responsibility for your accident
Yeah, but Train Sim is a highly-specialized, niche product. People who enjoy it are ready to pay for it since there are almost no alternatives. Same thing with The Sims - no existing competition.
@@notsteve5927 I mean, if we are going that route, then sorry to say but extraction shooters and shooters in general are also fairly niche and almost no variable competition inside each category. There are sub genres inside FPS and each game inside their subgenre tends to look and play like every other, it's what makes us even categorize them together. Extraction shooters, military simulators and tactical shooters tend to have one or two games at most. But, most importantly, when a game in that sub genre gets away with increasing monetization, the rest follow suit. My point being, if we are to follow that it's acceptable to pay more in one instance, it will inevitably end up becoming the new model for all.
Train simulator is also a feature complete game that's not still in "early access", beta testing. The main problem isn't the price, it's the blatant p2w features on top of a buggy, broken game that, while fun sometimes, is completely mired by being unfinished and unpolished. Instead of fixing the audio or netcode and monetizing the game through cosmetics, bsg decided it would be best to fuck the playerbase over
What a poorly worded statement. You can tell he didn’t run that one by his own lawyers first. I hope he pays big time financially for this false advertising.
It's what my narcissistic (genuine napd) abusive step dad used to say *all the time* with an arrogant tone as well lol, it makes my skin crawl and tells me enough about a person
It's not as inappropriate as many people think, but it very much is a way to not apologize to someone. It's basically a polite way to tell people you have no intention of apologizing to them, but many people seem to lump it in with gaslighting (it can theoretically be used to gaslight someone, but you really can feel sorry that someone feels a certain way without being incredibly rude). Heck, I still think "I'm sorry" in response to hearing about a tragedy that happened to you is a bit offensive since a friend apologizing for something they didn't do doesn't help solve any problems, but most people seem to disagree with me.
@@Ilivedbih grammatically, it's reasonable, and in some contexts, can actually be evidence of good character. You hit the nail on the head there: it's all about tone and context. I had similar parents and it's interesting how the exact same words can count as either real love or blatant emotional abuse depending on the context and tone. It caused me a lot of trauma since it's effectively my parents saying "I'm not willing to validate your feelings" (my parents sometimes think that validating opinions is the same as agreeing with them, which is very toxic to conflate the two for what I still hope are incredibly obvious reasons).
I don't see what the big deal is with that statement (independently of the whole Tarkov situation). "I'm sorry you feel this way" is a perfectly fine apology. This is why one should never apologise, because someone will twist that and say it's not enough. I see this over and over again, people apologising and everyone not accepting it. Then what's the point? Don't apologize and just acknowledge instead. "X was a mistake" and that's it, but never say you're sorry, because people will attack you for it. As for Tarkov... I don't do multiplayer games and I'd be insane to pay 250 USD for it.
The way I see it is this: Let's say you open up a Savings Account with a bank that promises you 10% interest per year. you Put $250 into that account, hoping to recieve 25 bucks next year, and so on, under the stipulation that you can't get the original $250 itself back. so you're only receiving the interest so long as you leave that $250 alone, but you hope that after enough time, the interest itself pays back what you spent for it. But then your bank tells you they won't actually give you this year's interest payment unless you pay, say, an additional 10 bucks or so, which instead of an additional investment, they label it as some sort of Fee to justify it. So technically, you only got $15 profit that year on your investment, And the amount of money you put in is *more* than you originally planned to. See how terrible that sounds? Now replace that interest with the Content you receive for the game, and/or the intended enjoyment you would receive from it. you get less enjoyment overall from the simple fact you had to pay more than you intended for it, *even if you technically still received the original interest payment.*
I like how Arrowhead made fun of this. 'True Believers can grab the CM-21 Trench Paramedic for only 250 SC, featuring increased pocket size and extra stims! (Not available for free to Super Citizens.)"
I love how they specify the PvE mode is entirely separate on an entirely different server infrastructure yet someone has already found an exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea in PvP meaning Nikita outright lied about it being separate. Can't trust a word out of his mouth fr.
I'm not sure how tarkov is structured so I may be wrong, but plenty of enterprise setups will have different "servers" but use the same database for convenience reasons.
@@invention64what you mentioned. It can be 2 different servers, yet same structure, so you can pass local changes from PvE mode as if they were made on PvP client. So they may be not outright lying, just laughably bad at development (intentional package switching is cybersequrity 101 and in this particular case should be easily avoidable).
This was absolutely insane. People paid $150 for an alpha to hope for a full release and all the dlc that comes with it. Now in beta, they release Arena and PvE instead of pushing for 1.0. I hope other studios saw what happened and the backlash the devs received.
Anyone who actually thinks that the game is going to get a full, complete release is hard coping. And I'm not just saying that because of this drama either. The game has been in early access for over 7 years now and still lacks basic functionality, QOL, bugfixes, and on and on. To say nothing of all the missing features that were talked about in roadmaps and the like.
Those blue name guys are also impervious to rounds a lot of times too, I cannot explain the losses I’ve had to them today and last night. I might just stop playing for a while.
I’m so happy that you are coving this! If you do happen to make a third video on this and happen to read my comment there are two things I think you should point out that are important the first one being that in the unheard edition you are able to “call in for backup” from your friends list. So people can literally have there friends SPAWN in the MIDDLE of a raid! It’s an extraction shooter and I think that’s just game breaking. The second point is that a lot of hackers on EFT have come out and actually have been targeting the Unheard users. Last night I just saw a hacker live-streaming on TikTok going after people who bought the unheard edition and people who play the game were supporting the hacker for doing this . Again thank you for putting a massive spotlight on this issue and just being a great guy. Hopefully you make another video and point these two things out because I think it would show just how, one broken and unfair the unheard edition is and how mad people really are about it.
This was my tjought too. He could have totally got around it by making a separate game. To be fair to blizzard though they didn't charge $250 for overwatch 2.
Nikita bein like "nooo its just content that you downloaded that have to pay to access, not content you pay for then have access to download! Its totally different i swear!"
but you dont download anything, you just unlock the feature, that is the thing, as soon as you buy the edition nothing but the Edition title updates to "Unheard Edition" and its unlocked, it was a 60mb update when the patch came out with the armor rework and the addition of the two new items and background, its literally already on everyones pc regardless of version
This is such a classic. Controversial person doubles down, finds out it's negatively affecting their career, then Hard 180 degree backtracks with an "apology".
i feel people are completely overlooking the fact that they often set prices through the roof or promise things. and then look like good guys when they 'fix' the problem to be more reasonable after generating some news/drama. there 'fix' is just to adjust things to what they originally planned. sell item for 60 dollars? naw double it and sell it 50% off. its a sale, businesses do this all the time in the physical world
I honestly think that the false advertising could create a mass lawsuit. I don't even play Tarkov but man that's fucked up. Vote with your wallets guys.
Theres a reason that a lot of developers will specify how many / what DLC are included in an upgrade pack. Like saying "the GOTY version gets you the base game and the 4 major planned DLC". Then anything other than the 4 DLC will obviously be separate.
At the end of the day, this man isn't scamming random people, he's scamming his own supporters and community that put him and his game on the map to even make money in the first place. I was considering picking it up but that turned into a complete 0% chance now. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, plain and simple.
I bought it about a year ago, it was fun for about six months, but then the cheaters got absolutely out of control. BSG is profiting off of the rolling banning of cheaters, who just buy back in to continue cheating. Not to mention that, as I understand it, one of the BSG execs or dev team is selling the cheats for their own game.
You were considering buying a game made by a random guy? Your video game collection must be full of niche, hipster titles. You're trying too hard to give people the impression that you're a nonconformist.
@@jeshegames I feel like I might have seen a UA-cam ad a while back when it was first coming out, maybe a trailer? Not entirely sure, but you're right they're shooting their only supporters in the back.
Reminds me of that time Bethesda came up with the "Creation Club" (paid mods) and when everyone called them out on it, Pete Hines came out and said that "They weren't paid mods, they're mini-DLC". So when the people reminded him that they promised that all DLC would be included in the Season Pass he just went radio silent 😂
And I haven't heard from the ketchup man since. Then again whenever I hear Toddy boy speak my brain automatically scrubs his existence from my mind. Bethesda's been dead to me for years. I just expect negative quality from them at this point. Nothing they do will fix it.
@@MorfsPrower i really don't know why people are excited by the prospect of an elder scrolls 6. have they even SEEN how bad recent bethesda releases are?
8:10 I wonder what will happen for the EOD owners that caved and bought the access through either the full price or discounted upgrade… especially now that half the items that were pay-to-win are being “reworked” or likely removed before the community gets done with them. So basically some people either just dropped $250, $100, or $50 depending on when they bought the edition/upgrade and now they are only getting a portion of what they payed for… while a ton of other EOD owners who waited are just getting the main portion PvE mode for free. He really can’t fix this unfortunately. Also…. With as huge as this got and as many people know about it, They probably are going to lose quite a bit of money spending time developing this mode and essentially giving it away for free to a massive portion of people they were hoping would be paying for it. If not lose money, they definitely won’t be making nearly as much as they planned. Maybe I am wrong and a bunch of new players will somehow miss all of this controversy and just now after years of popularity decide to start playing Tarkov and also buy into the game at the highest tier? I feel that’s unlikely… but maybe there is a bigger market of people with tons of disposable income that still have yet to start playing Tarkov and who will still decide to buy in at the $250 tier despite the controversy. Then again I also might be overestimating how much this dlc cost to develop. Maybe it was a simple thing to develop in a short period of time, therefore keeping development costs very low allowing even small sales to make up for the investment. 😮 Yes it’s entirely their fault because they could have done this in a fair manner and monetized it fairly. I guess it depends on how much time/money this mode costs them to develop if this whole situation still remains profitable for them.
I don't even follow Tarkov (not my type of game) so I legit thought Charlie was talking about some in-game currency to purchase this DLC when he said "250 clams". But when he said it again as "250 dollars" I was floored. That's full price for 4 games plus tax. What kind of unchecked greed could make anyone think that's a good idea?
Nikita giving off BIG sociopath energy by somehow finding a way to take no responsibility for his decisions and hitting his community with a big "I'm sorry you feel that way."
He has showed you who he is. Anyone who trusts him after all this is pretty much asking to get shafted. Abandon this con and play something else; something that isn’t giving off this dealing out the back of his van with a beretta stuffed in his pants vibe.
EXACTLY - this is what I've been saying everywhere. It's not an apology. It's like you slap someone, and instead of apologizing for laying hands on them you say "I'm sorry that you're upset about being slapped."
@@Michael-dj6pd If they sell to a market, then they have to abide by the local laws for sale to that country. So if they sell their game in the EU it needs to abide by EU laws for those sales.
I think I remember Destiny 1 or 2 doing something similar. Like they released a version or a pack that supposedly included all upcoming DLCs, but then released a different version or expansion pack which was not included
and this is why games continue to fail , we have fake gamers spending money and dumb stuff like this. in my eyes supporting this behavior means you’re not really a gamer tbh
@@SorrowsPeace naw man your assumption on what a "gamer" is wrong . we dont even know because "gamers" have been everything, from nerds to athletes and all types of walks of life
@@SorrowsPeace"If you buy things like this youre not a gamer" so damn corny and just wrong. Things like these ridiculous prices are silly but saying people arent gamers for spending their money is a bit silly.
@@SorrowsPeace Saying they're not real gamers is kind of goofy, but they're definitely mentally fragmented lol. 1. spending that much money for a DLC that barely adds anything is nuts and 2. most of them are pretentious douchebags saying "Hurrrr stop complaining and get some money"
Thank you for covering this, Charlie. The sad thing is that they probably were aware of the incoming backlash and they did it anyway. I refuse to believe the ignorance they’re obviously trying to hide behind.
When you backtrack a tiny bit to hopefully prevent a class action suit. I have the EoD edition but quit playing a long time ago. I might check out the PVE mode to be able to enjoy the new maps without the sweats and cheaters. I feel like Nikita will pull something like this again, but will just try to be slicker about it. The game has a stain on it that it may never recover from.
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@@-psilo-9071 Nope, if someone punches you in the face once, and you think "he wont punch me again" as you go near him without your hands up and you get punched in the face. You hella deserved that right hook. and no one said what he did wasnt wrong, did you just blew in from stupid town?
@@-psilo-9071lets just say Logan Paul makes another crypto project and SOMEONE WHO WAS SCAMMED FROM CRYPTOZOO (not just anyone) goes in again and get scammed again. yes Logan Paul is still the evil one here but at some point….you know….they kinda seen it coming
the thing is, the company itself is shitty but the product, the game is unique. there is no other game like tarkov. the firearms are insanely well detailled. the ballistics, the mechanic. this game is truly a gem... I can't escape from tarkov.
13:00 Notice that the commenter wanted confirmation that EoD owners would receive "all content", but only got a copy paste of the already touted "will receive all DLC". I bet Nik was very aware of exactly what he was typing, and leaving him the same "this is not DLC" out that he already tried with the PvE mode. I don't interpret the post as an admittance that the PvE mode actually was DLC. He's just talking about EoD in general, nothing else. Edit: 13:45 Exactly what that other user said.
it feels like every update that they release about this situation makes the game seem like less of a game and more of a minecraft server from 2010 being ran on a game, except they actually used to ban most of the people that were hacking on their servers
Nah they haven’t done that, although knowing BSG it’ll happen lol. What’s happening is some cheats allow cheaters to see if people have purchased the unheard edition and they’re purposefully hunting them 😭
I want to point out that people have theorized for years Streamers have priority matching or even Special lobbies where loot is more plentiful, so them coming and saying they're gonna ACTUALLY HAVE PRIORITY MATCHING pretty much confirms that they have the capability to do such things if they haven't already.
Prioritized matchmaking is like me having to buy a quick que pass at an amusement park but instead just to play a game on top of the price you already paid to play
ESO pulled the same thing since subscribers were supposed to get all DLC free so they started calling new major DLC "chapters" and claimed they were not DLC so subs had to pay for them
@@rimanahbvee This is definitely an older thing. You get everything for ESO+ a year late, around that time you can buy the deluxe collection separately for like $25.
Far Cry 6 did something somewhat similar where you could buy a season pass for all future DLC, but it only gave you the first three and the fourth one was like 40 dollars or something.
If anything, a PvE mode would be LESS intensive since they don't have to pay to keep their servers up for online play. It's supposed to be CHEAPER and they're charging $150 for it?! The main game is already full-priced! And wth, why planning for DLC when the game is still in EARLY ACCESS?! Just pure greed.
The thing about anything he promises that says "when the game releases" is that escape from tarkov has been in beta for 8+ years so we really don't know if it will ever be "released"
nikita said it himself. "you can keep a game in beta state for atleast 5 years to justify bad mechanics and malfunctions." source: /watch?v=aGauDp2cYNQ
The craziest part of this to me is you cant buy EoD version anymore so theres a set amount of accounts that have the version, so the fact theyre trying to not give the dlc's to the season pass-like edition is insane because theres a pimited amount of those accounts now
Nah, tbh i dont anybody is capable of beating the "pay a dollar every time you want to reload your gun" concept, cause that shit is literally straight out of meme EA slander, and that guy seriously wanted it to be a reality
If you think about it logically, if it's not DLC then it's part of the base game and as such everyone should have access to it. If it is DLC then people who bought EoD should have access to it. So if he continued saying it wasn't DLC then he woulda eventually had to be forced to release it for everyone by this logic and his own logic.
My friend is pre-law and said that this lawsuit would be so easy, he could win it. He pointed out, they literally admit in this post that they were selling something they knew they couldn't support. By saying they don't have the "infrastructure" that means they were willingly selling a product they have admitted they know they can't provide right now. Even if they argued "well if it's just for the unheard edition", they have no idea just how many of those editions they would have sold. Say it was a huge success and everyone and their mother bought the Unheard Edition, could they then not support it? It's so ironic in the post that was meant to "fix" everything is probably going to be the best evidence used against them in a fraud/false advertising court
playing a bit lf a devil's advocate: That's technically not true, since its impossible to guarantee that game's server will allow for a unknown amount of players to simply connect to all of the sudden. Many many multiplayer games have tried and failed, during launch, to do that, though not all of them
Ten or more years ago Nikita was in charge of free to play game called Contract Wars (basically a budget battlefield ripoff for poor CIS people like me that couldn’t afford good pc or better games) The game had tech tree and the skills are unlocked by SP (skill points that are given for each Level that you get) and the amount of levels therefore SP are limited (different people unlocked different skills depending on what playstyle they had) But there was some skills that you couldn’t just buy for SP, there was two most broken skills that you could buy for some time (from 24h to 1 month) for GP (gold points, which is paid in game currency) one gives you insane amount of armour and you don’t die from headshots and other increases your bullet penetration ability So if you meet the player that has both you just can’t kill him and he kills you in 2-3 hits (doesn’t matter if you upgraded your skill tree to get 100 armour) So as game grew in popularity this skills became a big problem, if you are playing against the player like that - you are just an NPC for him to kill You want to know what was Nikita’s solution? In game roulette for GP, where you had very small % of getting SP And do you know what it led to? People spent a lot of money to spin the wheel thousands of times to get unlimited amount of SP and unlocked every possible skill Before - you had to choose between increased accuracy, faster reload, lower recoil, ability to see the through the walls if your enemy makes noise, ability to walk silently, ability to walk faster, increased damage, increased bullet penetration, armour, 2 grenades that you can throw very far and increased damage for them, fucking regeneration to 35 or 45 hp… Now imagine what game looked liked when your enemy had every fucking ability in the game :) With that money squeezing choices game started dying and they tried to save it by adding Hardcore mode (game mode where everyone was the same) so they fucked the game and proposed to forget about everything you were spending tons of hours to unlock and just play without it And then Nikita left the game to die and went to work on another project 😊
I was playing a game of Insurgency Sandstorm a while back on the PvE mode, and while we were waiting for the round start we were chatting, and someone asked if we played Tarkov. One guy said no, since hackers were so abundant in game. The guy challenged him on it, said maybe it wasn’t so bad and the devs were working on it. This guy then had us join his personal discord server, wherein he provided screenshots from a game hacking server he was a member of. The screenshots were of leaked code and patch information from Tarkov that could assist with workarounds for the new patch. Thing is, the leaks on the server were dated ONE WEEK before the patch actually dropped. Tarkov has been screwed for years from the inside, so this is just digging the hole a little deeper than it already was.
I mean, just do a search for Tarkov cheats and look at their public Discords. There are multiple that have literally *thousands* of active members at basically all points of the day.
The insane pricing model currently used by the games industry makes people forget that $150 for a pre-alpha game 7 years ago was astronomically high. $250 is just ludicrous.
I can't even remember when even that was acceptable. Even in recent years, people seemed to only tolerate retail release price for early access games. I didn't even want to pay $60 for early access BG3 just because it was early access, and it ended up being one of the hottest games of the year so I'd have gotten my money's worth.
This is why a lot of games become bad or fall off after they get popular. After a little success devs start seeing only dollar signs instead of actually improving the game.
The game actually has had ton of improvements lately. They decided to be snakey and try to cash in on the momentum of those QOL updates. People are not that stupid lol
@@dreamwireless8513 they could have gotten away with a 150$ price tag if they made it so EoD people still got it for free and didnt try to find a loophole. People are stupid but they freak out a lot more once they finally realize they've been manipulated.
more like overly ambitious devs realize their project's goals are way out of the scope of what modern technology can do, Streets of Tarkov runs like ass if you don't have the newest best CPU.
Umm, is it? We've had numerous instances of excessive greed and I haven't seen a real change in the industry. They just keep trying and see what they can come up with next. And the worst part is, they just get fired from one company and go to work to another to make other stupid decisions. Riccitiello for example went from EA (tried to make people pay to reload guns) to Unity (tried to make developers pay for each installation of their games) and he's still a board member of a few gaming related organizations (e.g. ESRB). The real problem is this: "problematic" people like Riccitiello keep holding positions of power in the industry
The awful thing about this whole entire situation, is that the price still hasnt changed. The game industry does this sooo often: taking 2 steps towards shitty business practices, the community complain and there is massive backlash, so they take 1 step backwards. The community rejoices, but sometimes fail to realise that they still took that one step! The fact that a game sells a 250 dollar dlc is absolutely insane to me, and if they get away with this, it wont be good for players of any game in the futute
It's insane. They're so focused on "ok we'll add a few new perks to it!" Okay... Doesn't change the fact the price tag is actually mr. krabs tier greed.
Its similar to war thunders high tier premium vehicles (you buy those so you can grind more easly (it still takes a shit ton of time to grind) ) and if you want to get a premium for a ground, air or helicopter tree for a certain nation (there are) you have to fork over 50 euro for the helicopters and 70 euro for the jets and tanks, charging triple A pricing for a single item in game that helps you grind out 1/10 nations and 1/5 of the stuff that nation has to offer is insane
It's not a win in my book, the "apology" is just the classic "I'm sorry i didn't get away with it this time".
I am baffled with the amount of people accepting it as a win...
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It's some kinda bot I've seen it several times @@owlflame
they are brainless Whales most likely.. or actual children using their moms card
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Trying to argue that a poop is not a shit is my favorite quote this year
Wait, why is this hella funny. It’s like when a toddler won’t admit they shit themself when you can clearly smell it lol
Crazy how I am stronger than 3 kids as a twin girl 😂
Randy Marsh: Hold my 🍺
@@HamppdurAnd you can see a turd nugget slip down their pants
They’re pissing on your leg and telling you it’s raining
I like how its labelled "caving" instead of "no longer breaking the law and following through on their advertised service"
Or "backpedaling and doing the bare minimum"
“Man caves to court ordered jail sentence” is not a headline any reputable paper would write lol
They’re in Russia. They won’t have any legal repercussions. The worst that could happen is people calling in chargebacks
@Sniperdaddy420 russian based but headquarters is in UK. The uk has consumer protection agencies who can levee lawsuits. They have a window to remediate and that's what we are seeing now
@@Sniperdaddy420 no, their workers are in Russia. They’re a London based company and subject to UK trade laws.
We’ve officially escaped from Tarkov with this
He isn't admitting it was a mistake, because it wasn't a mistake. He fully intended everything he did.
Ofc why wouldn't he? Way too many players would have bought such packages if they give them an advantage. We are all saying pay2win no one wants this, yet a skin in cod that is broken and too dark was bought millions of times. Just as an example. Milk milk milk. Mobile games style
This studio has, on numerous occasions, engaged in incredibly anti-consumer practices. Back around 2018 for example, they flat out refused to refund the game for players with zero in-game playtime when they couldn't even launch the game properly, due to the game not working on certain hardware configurations.
If your average gamer grew a backbone and boycotted these studios as they should, these business practices would disappear within a year.
Hes trying to have the mindset of an average Eastern European owner/developer in a game with a big western audience. If Tarkov had an overwhelmingly majority Russian/Eastern European audience I bet this shit would've just flown under the radar and the playerbase would've just accepted it they're used to shit like this.
@@saschaberger3212 Nobody wants P2W to exist, but if it does exist then anyone serious about competition has to engage in the practice or else they lose to those who did
Who made you UA-cam's resident psychologist? It was a mistake, and you'd be hard-pressed to prove otherwise. Unless you can prove in court that he had the mens rea, then your argument is worthless.
"This is NOT DLC. I will now tell you exactly what I believe a DLC is..."
*proceeds to describe exactly what this update is, confirming its status as DLC*
Exactly, the single player mode is a major addition. He should have said DLC are small additions, like cosmetics. (he'd still be wrong, but at least with his "definition" he'd be accurate)
DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT
According to me, If you have to purchase the base game to play the DLC then it is a DLC, if not, then it's a standalone thing..but i can already see some grubby developer twisting this and naming their new releases as a seperate thing instead of calling DLC, maybe there should be a comprehensive definition of DLC
@@kanavkohli794 there is. iTS CALLED DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT. thats literally what DLC stands for. its its a part of a game. thats not in the base game. its DLC.
@@DeputyFishok but what if the content doesn’t need to be downloaded? Server side updates can introduce new features without requiring a download. You’re just writing out the acronym, not explaining it.
The future DLC will probably have 2 versions. A basic version and a full version. Both will be sold but they will 100% push the full version. They’ll give the basic version to EOD holders and say “you got the DLC, you want more and it will be an upgrade charge!” While also pushing the more expensive full version everywhere.
I'm reminded of an episode of Rocko's Modern Life, they are driving up the road and see all these advertisements for a ski resort that "everything is $5" and they get there and pay the entry fee and get inside to find out that "every THING is $5"
This is 2024 version of "it's not loot box, it's surprise mechanic"
Sense of pride and accomplishment
Now days it’s a cycle that never ends Man
lapland watches moist
"Sorry, we don't see this extra content for the game that you have to pay for and download as DLC"
Crazy how I am stronger than 3 kids as a twin girl 😂
*Don’t read my name………😮*
*Don’t read my name………😮*
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨
Yup, I can't comprehend how someone could be that stupid.
Helldivers devs tweeted "Check out the acquisition store this week. These prices are Unheard of"
would rather spend 250 super credits on a new set of helldiver armor
We seriously need to get a lawsuit involved. One hundred percent other companies will accept this as a feasible practice if BSG gets away with this.
“I’m sorry you feel this way” is such a shit thing to say because not only it isn’t an apology but it also is a passive aggressive blame shift
I remember once when I was an edgy teenager I said something a teacher didnt like, so I had to go see the principal, who told me I had to apologize.
So I went back to the teacher and said "Im sorry i have to apologize to you" and got detention. 10/10 totally worth it.
This man is about as mature as I was when I was 14, but with less sense of humor.
In this case, that response is stupid and unjustified. In most cases as an adult, that's just life.
Yea it usually means "ur dumb for feeling this way". Though at the end of the day if u just dont pay them they will understand pretty clear
As an EOD owner, I e-mailed one of the 3 law firms that are sueing Battlestate Games for defrauding & false advertisement.
Looking forward to the results.
There’s actually lawsuits going on against BSG over the recent Unheard Edition blunder? How come no one is covering that?
🤫🤫🤡🤡@@chris_aitan
What law firms would those be? I wanna email em too
@@justinhough3169I believe they are only in the collecting evidence phase and are waiting 30 days since that'd remove a lot of excuses the devs can make, and then bonus points if the devs dig themselves an even deeper hole and do stuff such as changing the terms on their website which is evidence this whole situation is intentional
Nothing is going to happen, especially if you live in the US. Its shitty what was done, but it wont stand in a court.
“I’m sorry you guys are experiencing these feelings” is the exact same as when that job you hated told you “I’m sorry you feel that way” right before you quit. Though it won’t happen, imagine the change they’d implement and offer if even just 25% of their player base completely quit the game and didn’t play it at all in 2024.
It's only streamers and cheaters. Idk why people keep giving this game more money. He actively encourages rmt and cheating. The main revenue stream of BSG is people buying new accounts to cheat. The game has been confirmed to have cheaters in about 80% of maps. It's disgusting.
"Nikita does some more whippits here and continues" is a devastating burn
This is the man who went to Jupiter to get more Stupider
More stupider? 🤨
Never knew anyone was that stupid to go there, but they didn't make it back 💀💀
Who asked. My content is far superior lol
Who asked. My content is far superior lol
Who asked. My content is far superior lol
“Im sorry you guys are experiencing these feelings” is crazy.
Haha ikr they honestly thought that they could get away with this shit
"i'm sorry for not realizing you would react this way" is kinda fire tbh im gonna be using that
Gaslighting 101
"And I wouldnt have gotten away with it too if it werent for you meddling kids, and your rotten dog!"
This is straight up what my pos dad says when you have a problem with him
2:34 "This is like trying to argue that a poop is not a shit."
I've just found my new favourite Charlie quote. Literally my exact thoughts on this whole situation; bravo!
To clarify, EOD was $175-150 after upgrading. Unheard was an additional $150 for EOD owners not $250. Now it's 70% and it's $50 upgrade even tho you'll get it free.
Nikita literally played the adult version of when a child says their super special shield is actually now ultra special and impervious to everything.
That’s just a silly over explanation of “arguing a poop isn’t a shit” which has been said mate don’t quit the day job lol
@@exessiv3reapertf is your problem
@@exessiv3reaper you the typa fella to get angry when people have an opinion that is different than yours.
@@exessiv3reaper You give off very heavy "picked my nose in high school and ate it" vibes.
@@yournamethere123 just saying it takes creativity to fail so spectacular and uniquely isn’t that its own accomplishment lol 😂 and I’m not an AmErIICAN SO RRY
Fandom: “This is a new game mode”
Nik: “That is correct”
F: “we have to pay for it and download it”
N: “That’s right”
F: “DLC means it’s content we have to download after the game released and we have to pay extra for”
N: “That makes sense to me!”
F: “So this new game mode is DLC!”
N: “It’s not DLC”
Crazy how I am stronger than 3 kids as a twin girl 😂
That's not my wallet
"It's not my wallet!"
Time to *escape* from their game.
Except DLC does not necessarily need to be paid for. It just needs to be extra downloadable content
"I'm sorry you feel that way" is such an insane introduction in a statement.
"we don't consider this DownLoadable Content as DLC. sorry y'all feel bad, Imma nerf some items"
Nikita* went full Silicon Valley. Never go full Silicon Valley.
Crazy how I am stronger than 3 kids as a twin girl 😂
is that a tropic thunder reference?
@@aston8or08🤨
@@aston8or08 I believe so
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨
Bro hit em with the “I’m sorry you think you deserve an apology”
It's along the same vein of confronting someone, and they hit you with, "I'm sorry that you feel that way."
@@lanabobana3311 So someone apologizing for hurting your feelings after you make it clear to them is wrong?
Guess it depends on what you confront them for. Like if you confront someone about denying the holocaust, then yeah... "I'm sorry that you feel that way." is an awful response.
But if someone accidentally hurt your feelings and you confront them about THAT, then that response would be perfectly fine, empathetic even.
@@Ss4Goten There's obvious nuances and context to take into consideration with that, and you're honestly just twisting it, someone apologizing for hurting your feelings and someone saying "sorry you feel that way about it" are two different things, ones more likely to be genuine, and ones a slap in the face.
@@Ss4Goten No, saying I'm sorry you feel that way is essentially just saying "Sorry you're a little baby and got your feelings hurt over nothing"
The correct way to be empathetic in a situation like that is to take responsibility, even if it was an accident, and say "I'm sorry -I- made you feel that way."
It's very nuanced but it's the difference between putting the blame entirely on the other person and almost making it seem like they're annoying you for sharing their dumb feelings with you that they shouldn't have or taking responsibility for your accident
@@veldinsparx @reaperofburgers
I see. After reading what you guys saidyou have definitely convinced me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Fun fact: Train Simulator 2020 has over $10k worth of DLC
Yeah, but Train Sim is a highly-specialized, niche product. People who enjoy it are ready to pay for it since there are almost no alternatives. Same thing with The Sims - no existing competition.
@@notsteve5927 I mean, if we are going that route, then sorry to say but extraction shooters and shooters in general are also fairly niche and almost no variable competition inside each category. There are sub genres inside FPS and each game inside their subgenre tends to look and play like every other, it's what makes us even categorize them together. Extraction shooters, military simulators and tactical shooters tend to have one or two games at most. But, most importantly, when a game in that sub genre gets away with increasing monetization, the rest follow suit. My point being, if we are to follow that it's acceptable to pay more in one instance, it will inevitably end up becoming the new model for all.
Train simulator is also a feature complete game that's not still in "early access", beta testing.
The main problem isn't the price, it's the blatant p2w features on top of a buggy, broken game that, while fun sometimes, is completely mired by being unfinished and unpolished. Instead of fixing the audio or netcode and monetizing the game through cosmetics, bsg decided it would be best to fuck the playerbase over
“Hey, man, did you blow over from Stupidtown?” - Some fish from Spongebob
That whole "I'm sorry you feel that way" told me all I needed to know about Nikita.
What a poorly worded statement. You can tell he didn’t run that one by his own lawyers first. I hope he pays big time financially for this false advertising.
the next vid will be "we're sorry. we're sorry.. we're sorry!"
He's a complete douchebag
Channel Awesome ahhh apology
@@HairryTurttleneckNikita's phat ass on a fur rug
"I'm sorry you feel this way" is the most passive-agressive non-apology I've ever heard.
It's what my narcissistic (genuine napd) abusive step dad used to say *all the time* with an arrogant tone as well lol, it makes my skin crawl and tells me enough about a person
It's not as inappropriate as many people think, but it very much is a way to not apologize to someone. It's basically a polite way to tell people you have no intention of apologizing to them, but many people seem to lump it in with gaslighting (it can theoretically be used to gaslight someone, but you really can feel sorry that someone feels a certain way without being incredibly rude). Heck, I still think "I'm sorry" in response to hearing about a tragedy that happened to you is a bit offensive since a friend apologizing for something they didn't do doesn't help solve any problems, but most people seem to disagree with me.
@@Ilivedbih grammatically, it's reasonable, and in some contexts, can actually be evidence of good character. You hit the nail on the head there: it's all about tone and context. I had similar parents and it's interesting how the exact same words can count as either real love or blatant emotional abuse depending on the context and tone. It caused me a lot of trauma since it's effectively my parents saying "I'm not willing to validate your feelings" (my parents sometimes think that validating opinions is the same as agreeing with them, which is very toxic to conflate the two for what I still hope are incredibly obvious reasons).
I don't see what the big deal is with that statement (independently of the whole Tarkov situation). "I'm sorry you feel this way" is a perfectly fine apology. This is why one should never apologise, because someone will twist that and say it's not enough. I see this over and over again, people apologising and everyone not accepting it. Then what's the point? Don't apologize and just acknowledge instead. "X was a mistake" and that's it, but never say you're sorry, because people will attack you for it. As for Tarkov... I don't do multiplayer games and I'd be insane to pay 250 USD for it.
@@octavianpopescu4776 I'm sorry you feel this way.
The way I see it is this:
Let's say you open up a Savings Account with a bank that promises you 10% interest per year. you Put $250 into that account, hoping to recieve 25 bucks next year, and so on, under the stipulation that you can't get the original $250 itself back. so you're only receiving the interest so long as you leave that $250 alone, but you hope that after enough time, the interest itself pays back what you spent for it.
But then your bank tells you they won't actually give you this year's interest payment unless you pay, say, an additional 10 bucks or so, which instead of an additional investment, they label it as some sort of Fee to justify it.
So technically, you only got $15 profit that year on your investment, And the amount of money you put in is *more* than you originally planned to.
See how terrible that sounds?
Now replace that interest with the Content you receive for the game, and/or the intended enjoyment you would receive from it.
you get less enjoyment overall from the simple fact you had to pay more than you intended for it, *even if you technically still received the original interest payment.*
So thankful to have Charlie to inform people in the community about important issues like this who may have missed it for whatever reason.
I like how Arrowhead made fun of this. 'True Believers can grab the CM-21 Trench Paramedic for only 250 SC, featuring increased pocket size and extra stims! (Not available for free to Super Citizens.)"
Beautiful jab at this bullshit
Bruh thats legendary
arrowhead water?
@@EarthDragonSuperSaiyanGokuarrowhead are the developers of Helldivers and Helldivers 2
They've set a standard of how games should be. I've played that game more than I want to admit.
I love how they specify the PvE mode is entirely separate on an entirely different server infrastructure yet someone has already found an exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea in PvP meaning Nikita outright lied about it being separate. Can't trust a word out of his mouth fr.
They fucking found WHAT?
@@Eggsi__An exploit allowing you to take loot from PvE and sell it on flea incPvP meaning Nikita outright lied about it being separate.
I'm not sure how tarkov is structured so I may be wrong, but plenty of enterprise setups will have different "servers" but use the same database for convenience reasons.
@@invention64what you mentioned. It can be 2 different servers, yet same structure, so you can pass local changes from PvE mode as if they were made on PvP client. So they may be not outright lying, just laughably bad at development (intentional package switching is cybersequrity 101 and in this particular case should be easily avoidable).
Source? Any videos or evidence of this, cause if so that’s really shit
Thanks for covering this brother. I love Tarkov and I was really sad to see greed finally take it.
"I'm sorry, that you feel, that you deserve an apology. ."
This was absolutely insane. People paid $150 for an alpha to hope for a full release and all the dlc that comes with it. Now in beta, they release Arena and PvE instead of pushing for 1.0. I hope other studios saw what happened and the backlash the devs received.
Anyone who actually thinks that the game is going to get a full, complete release is hard coping. And I'm not just saying that because of this drama either. The game has been in early access for over 7 years now and still lacks basic functionality, QOL, bugfixes, and on and on. To say nothing of all the missing features that were talked about in roadmaps and the like.
Those blue name guys are also impervious to rounds a lot of times too, I cannot explain the losses I’ve had to them today and last night. I might just stop playing for a while.
paying a 150+ for an unfinished product is crazy
I am praying this greedy attempt doesn't set a new precedent for the rest of those greedy fuckers.
@@JohnDoe-wd8rs why lie bro your just garbage at the game
Nik's "apology" is "I'm sorry you're hurt" instead of "I'm sorry I hurt you"
Zero accountability
"I'm sorry you didn't want to give me $250 when I clearly deserve it."
I remember the charge for each reload thing back in the day scary times but I remember it not lasting long cause it was so outrageous
I’m so happy that you are coving this! If you do happen to make a third video on this and happen to read my comment there are two things I think you should point out that are important the first one being that in the unheard edition you are able to “call in for backup” from your friends list. So people can literally have there friends SPAWN in the MIDDLE of a raid! It’s an extraction shooter and I think that’s just game breaking. The second point is that a lot of hackers on EFT have come out and actually have been targeting the Unheard users. Last night I just saw a hacker live-streaming on TikTok going after people who bought the unheard edition and people who play the game were supporting the hacker for doing this . Again thank you for putting a massive spotlight on this issue and just being a great guy. Hopefully you make another video and point these two things out because I think it would show just how, one broken and unfair the unheard edition is and how mad people really are about it.
Nikita could've pulled an overwatch and called it Escape From Tarkov 2 instead. Then it wouldn't be "dlc".
Dont give him ideas, or we'll be at Escape from Tarkov 11 by 2028
This was my tjought too. He could have totally got around it by making a separate game. To be fair to blizzard though they didn't charge $250 for overwatch 2.
Can you release a sequel while the first game is still in beta?
@@leezeebub Why couldnt you? Theres no laws against being greedy.
Do NOT give him ideas
DLC literally stands for "downloadable content." If it is content that you download, it is DLC.
Nikita bein like "nooo its just content that you downloaded that have to pay to access, not content you pay for then have access to download! Its totally different i swear!"
Preach it loud and proud
😂😂😂
but you dont download anything, you just unlock the feature, that is the thing, as soon as you buy the edition nothing but the Edition title updates to "Unheard Edition" and its unlocked, it was a 60mb update when the patch came out with the armor rework and the addition of the two new items and background, its literally already on everyones pc regardless of version
@@prettygood476still content that, at one point or another, you had to download
Who wouldn't be upset from being scammed? Even if I were to be scammed a penny, I would still be upset.
Thanks for covering this so much, Charlie. Nikita needs to stop trying to kill his game.
This is such a classic. Controversial person doubles down, finds out it's negatively affecting their career, then Hard 180 degree backtracks with an "apology".
He isn't even pretending to be sorry tho. Which is actually kinda refreshing.
They never learn. These bigwigs seem to think it won't happen to them and are always wrong.
with a classic "im sorry you were butt hurt by my scam" apology
@@yurifairy2969well that's _one_ thing im respecting mr. muscle-car-owning "will will we will wil will" for
i feel people are completely overlooking the fact that they often set prices through the roof or promise things. and then look like good guys when they 'fix' the problem to be more reasonable after generating some news/drama. there 'fix' is just to adjust things to what they originally planned. sell item for 60 dollars? naw double it and sell it 50% off. its a sale, businesses do this all the time in the physical world
I honestly think that the false advertising could create a mass lawsuit. I don't even play Tarkov but man that's fucked up. Vote with your wallets guys.
Crazy how I am stronger than 3 kids as a twin girl 😂
*Don’t read my name………😮*
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨
no it couldn't
If only everybody started voting with their wallet. How hard is it to abstain from funneling money into these types of game companies.
I lost my shit at the "Wheres the apology for being greedy .... Et. Al. "
LMFAO THANK YOU
Theres a reason that a lot of developers will specify how many / what DLC are included in an upgrade pack.
Like saying "the GOTY version gets you the base game and the 4 major planned DLC". Then anything other than the 4 DLC will obviously be separate.
At the end of the day, this man isn't scamming random people, he's scamming his own supporters and community that put him and his game on the map to even make money in the first place. I was considering picking it up but that turned into a complete 0% chance now. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, plain and simple.
I bought it about a year ago, it was fun for about six months, but then the cheaters got absolutely out of control. BSG is profiting off of the rolling banning of cheaters, who just buy back in to continue cheating. Not to mention that, as I understand it, one of the BSG execs or dev team is selling the cheats for their own game.
This games advertising is done by their players, I’ve never seen an ad for it.
@@Some_Dingus1. Cheaters don’t buy from EFT website. 2. That “executive that sells cheats” is a tarkov tinfoil theory with 0 proof to back it
You were considering buying a game made by a random guy? Your video game collection must be full of niche, hipster titles. You're trying too hard to give people the impression that you're a nonconformist.
@@jeshegames I feel like I might have seen a UA-cam ad a while back when it was first coming out, maybe a trailer? Not entirely sure, but you're right they're shooting their only supporters in the back.
Reminds me of that time Bethesda came up with the "Creation Club" (paid mods) and when everyone called them out on it, Pete Hines came out and said that "They weren't paid mods, they're mini-DLC". So when the people reminded him that they promised that all DLC would be included in the Season Pass he just went radio silent 😂
It also reminds me of when he said 76 would have no season pass or paid DLC. Then they turned around and released Fallout 1st.
They got away with it because Bethesda fans are tools
It also reminds me of EA saying "It's not Lootboxes, it's surprise mechanics."
And I haven't heard from the ketchup man since.
Then again whenever I hear Toddy boy speak my brain automatically scrubs his existence from my mind. Bethesda's been dead to me for years. I just expect negative quality from them at this point. Nothing they do will fix it.
@@MorfsPrower i really don't know why people are excited by the prospect of an elder scrolls 6. have they even SEEN how bad recent bethesda releases are?
This is literally the real life equivalent of the “we’re sorry” episode from south park.
"DLC adds functionality. PVE is functionality. Therefore paying for PVE is not DLC."
I just... WHAT.
Loophole logic goes crazyyy
objection your honour
@@digplayz5740sustained...proceed
“We are adding PVE which is functionality added to the game, but it’s not dlc which adds functionality”
“Every minute sixty seconds pass”
You know like 10-15 years ago all of this content would just be added into the game for free for everyone
Crazy how I am stronger than 3 kids as a twin girl 😂
Those were the days fr
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8:10 I wonder what will happen for the EOD owners that caved and bought the access through either the full price or discounted upgrade… especially now that half the items that were pay-to-win are being “reworked” or likely removed before the community gets done with them.
So basically some people either just dropped $250, $100, or $50 depending on when they bought the edition/upgrade and now they are only getting a portion of what they payed for… while a ton of other EOD owners who waited are just getting the main portion PvE mode for free. He really can’t fix this unfortunately.
Also…. With as huge as this got and as many people know about it, They probably are going to lose quite a bit of money spending time developing this mode and essentially giving it away for free to a massive portion of people they were hoping would be paying for it. If not lose money, they definitely won’t be making nearly as much as they planned. Maybe I am wrong and a bunch of new players will somehow miss all of this controversy and just now after years of popularity decide to start playing Tarkov and also buy into the game at the highest tier? I feel that’s unlikely… but maybe there is a bigger market of people with tons of disposable income that still have yet to start playing Tarkov and who will still decide to buy in at the $250 tier despite the controversy.
Then again I also might be overestimating how much this dlc cost to develop. Maybe it was a simple thing to develop in a short period of time, therefore keeping development costs very low allowing even small sales to make up for the investment. 😮
Yes it’s entirely their fault because they could have done this in a fair manner and monetized it fairly. I guess it depends on how much time/money this mode costs them to develop if this whole situation still remains profitable for them.
I appreciate the effort and creativity you put into your videos. It's clear why your channel has such a dedicated following
I don't even follow Tarkov (not my type of game) so I legit thought Charlie was talking about some in-game currency to purchase this DLC when he said "250 clams". But when he said it again as "250 dollars" I was floored. That's full price for 4 games plus tax. What kind of unchecked greed could make anyone think that's a good idea?
and it is closer to 325 dollars after tax in europe
What are they smoking holy moly
@@hoogashack5588 To me it's so stupid that some countries allow prices to not add taxes... It's just misleading the customer.
@@hoogashack5588 at least you guys have free healthcare 🥲
And that’s if you don’t even own the EOD edition which nobody even seems to be talking about
''This is trying to explain, a poop is not a shit.''
-Charlie.
This man is gifted.
*Don’t read my name………😮*
His eloquence is impeccable
That's not gift that's just highschool potty humor lol
@@applejuice9468and are you arguing it isn't funny? Cuz it is
@@da_real_bup It's moderately funny, but charlie just isn't the humor genius that he once was. A husk now
The fact that you're paying 5x + more for the dlc than the actual game itself is ridiculous.
its still in beta too
I'm sad because I grew up playing Contract Wars and that game got abandoned for Escape from Tarkov. Now a few years later I see this vid.
Nikita giving off BIG sociopath energy by somehow finding a way to take no responsibility for his decisions and hitting his community with a big "I'm sorry you feel that way."
Its not even a Red Flag, it is a "Get up and leave" Flag.
Don't insult sociopaths by comparing them to him. At least some of them would be smart enough to figure out this is a bad idea.
He has showed you who he is. Anyone who trusts him after all this is pretty much asking to get shafted. Abandon this con and play something else; something that isn’t giving off this dealing out the back of his van with a beretta stuffed in his pants vibe.
@@NotSylvanUnfortunately: They’re probably Tarkov’s biggest fans and the first ones who spotted the con.
EXACTLY - this is what I've been saying everywhere. It's not an apology. It's like you slap someone, and instead of apologizing for laying hands on them you say "I'm sorry that you're upset about being slapped."
Fun fact, in sweden we can report this to konsumentverket as this breaks EU law. All the changes to EoD and coming changes are all illegal in the EU.
but are they not hq in britain and russia?
@@Michael-dj6pd HQ in EU beholden to EU laws
@vBurnedWins Neither Russia nor the UK are in the EU
@@Michael-dj6pd If they sell to a market, then they have to abide by the local laws for sale to that country. So if they sell their game in the EU it needs to abide by EU laws for those sales.
@@Slyfox718 uk still has laws around this that theyre very very much beholden to
I think I remember Destiny 1 or 2 doing something similar. Like they released a version or a pack that supposedly included all upcoming DLCs, but then released a different version or expansion pack which was not included
The sorry you feel that way feels like the skit with the CEO of BP after the oil spill by South Park.
The worst part about it is the community is split. Theres one half thats pissed, and another that is "Just stop being poor.".
and this is why games continue to fail , we have fake gamers spending money and dumb stuff like this. in my eyes supporting this behavior means you’re not really a gamer tbh
@@SorrowsPeace naw man your assumption on what a "gamer" is wrong . we dont even know because "gamers" have been everything, from nerds to athletes and all types of walks of life
@@SorrowsPeace"If you buy things like this youre not a gamer" so damn corny and just wrong. Things like these ridiculous prices are silly but saying people arent gamers for spending their money is a bit silly.
@@sleebees if that’s what you believe.. read the room dude.
@@SorrowsPeace Saying they're not real gamers is kind of goofy, but they're definitely mentally fragmented lol. 1. spending that much money for a DLC that barely adds anything is nuts and 2. most of them are pretentious douchebags saying "Hurrrr stop complaining and get some money"
Thank you for covering this, Charlie.
The sad thing is that they probably were aware of the incoming backlash and they did it anyway.
I refuse to believe the ignorance they’re obviously trying to hide behind.
I love your videos
FairTX please have my children
I love your videos man, its such a shame the game has turnt out this way.
Glad to see you covering the issue
When you backtrack a tiny bit to hopefully prevent a class action suit. I have the EoD edition but quit playing a long time ago. I might check out the PVE mode to be able to enjoy the new maps without the sweats and cheaters. I feel like Nikita will pull something like this again, but will just try to be slicker about it. The game has a stain on it that it may never recover from.
i do love when my dlc costs the same as 3 1/2 AAA games combined
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"I'm sorry you feel that way..."
Wow. If anyone, ever gives this dude another cent, they deserve it.
no one deserves that like scamming someone who's stupid is still wrong
@@-psilo-9071 Nope, if someone punches you in the face once, and you think "he wont punch me again" as you go near him without your hands up and you get punched in the face. You hella deserved that right hook.
and no one said what he did wasnt wrong, did you just blew in from stupid town?
@@-psilo-9071lets just say Logan Paul makes another crypto project and SOMEONE WHO WAS SCAMMED FROM CRYPTOZOO (not just anyone) goes in again and get scammed again.
yes Logan Paul is still the evil one here but at some point….you know….they kinda seen it coming
the thing is, the company itself is shitty but the product, the game is unique. there is no other game like tarkov. the firearms are insanely well detailled. the ballistics, the mechanic. this game is truly a gem...
I can't escape from tarkov.
Just make sure you zip up charlie when you are done okay sweetie. lol.
13:00 Notice that the commenter wanted confirmation that EoD owners would receive "all content", but only got a copy paste of the already touted "will receive all DLC". I bet Nik was very aware of exactly what he was typing, and leaving him the same "this is not DLC" out that he already tried with the PvE mode. I don't interpret the post as an admittance that the PvE mode actually was DLC. He's just talking about EoD in general, nothing else.
Edit: 13:45 Exactly what that other user said.
it feels like every update that they release about this situation makes the game seem like less of a game and more of a minecraft server from 2010 being ran on a game, except they actually used to ban most of the people that were hacking on their servers
“Run out of ammo in your clip,” boy, Charlie would really get him for that one
Crazy how I am stronger than 3 kids as a twin girl 😂
*Don’t read my name………😮*
My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨
Unless he's referring to a historical war game.
@@SynthLizard8 Doubt it as bf at the time was solely modern. Just the guy being a degenerate.
Apparently hackers have figured out how to invade these PVE raids. So people paid $250 to avoid cheaters just to get killed by cheaters. 😂
Source?
Nah they haven’t done that, although knowing BSG it’ll happen lol. What’s happening is some cheats allow cheaters to see if people have purchased the unheard edition and they’re purposefully hunting them 😭
@@Rthesecond Chipolte Aioli Sauce - It's really good :)
Thats sauce @@Lionel-Goodfellow
@@tonydelia629Based Cheaters 😂
I want to point out that people have theorized for years Streamers have priority matching or even Special lobbies where loot is more plentiful, so them coming and saying they're gonna ACTUALLY HAVE PRIORITY MATCHING pretty much confirms that they have the capability to do such things if they haven't already.
Prioritized matchmaking is like me having to buy a quick que pass at an amusement park but instead just to play a game on top of the price you already paid to play
Nikita straight up looting our corpse and heading for the extraction point
lmao 😂
Little does he know, that's where me and my boys are chilling.
😂
He also t-bagged us before leaving.
"I'm sorry that you died, I did not foresee you're death to be something bad to me"
ESO pulled the same thing since subscribers were supposed to get all DLC free so they started calling new major DLC "chapters" and claimed they were not DLC so subs had to pay for them
Is this an older thing? Cause currently eso+ has access to every dlc and chapter during its duration
@@rimanahbvee This is definitely an older thing. You get everything for ESO+ a year late, around that time you can buy the deluxe collection separately for like $25.
@@mando_dablord2646 i think you get access to current stuff aswell no? like gold road when it comes out, eso+ users should get access no?
@@rimanahbveeyou don’t get the current chapter with a sub you either have to buy it or wait until a new chapter releases to access it.
@@Maleegi ahh i see ty
Far Cry 6 did something somewhat similar where you could buy a season pass for all future DLC, but it only gave you the first three and the fourth one was like 40 dollars or something.
“Chiaotzu on Napa, just self destructing” had me howling 😂
Ridiculous that they are even selling this PVE mode, knowing that they don't have enough capacity to even hold all the players who purchased it.
Because they want the money, not actually because they wanna make the game big
That’s how business works almost all the times - you sell MVP first, then you deliver
If anything, a PvE mode would be LESS intensive since they don't have to pay to keep their servers up for online play.
It's supposed to be CHEAPER and they're charging $150 for it?! The main game is already full-priced!
And wth, why planning for DLC when the game is still in EARLY ACCESS?!
Just pure greed.
@@ta_0001no way in hell you are trying to rationalize this.
They are doing it to compete with the single player tarkov mod
The thing about anything he promises that says "when the game releases" is that escape from tarkov has been in beta for 8+ years so we really don't know if it will ever be "released"
nikita said it himself. "you can keep a game in beta state for atleast 5 years to justify bad mechanics and malfunctions." source: /watch?v=aGauDp2cYNQ
i remember there was a reason games keep in beta, fortnite still is i believe?
@@benlt02 no it stopped being in beta 4 years ago
@@benlt02that was several years ago
@@kimani-di5ch ah fair enough still that was 3 years in sat in beta and warframe I’m pretty sure still is
The craziest part of this to me is you cant buy EoD version anymore so theres a set amount of accounts that have the version, so the fact theyre trying to not give the dlc's to the season pass-like edition is insane because theres a pimited amount of those accounts now
theres a vr tarcov called ghost of tubor so play that its pretty much exactly the same you can get it from side quest on the quest 1,2 and 3
Being Stupider than John Riccitiello is an accomplishment of its own
*Don’t read my name………😮*
I'm not sure if there's anyone even capable of being even greedier than these two. Let's hope there isn't
Nah, tbh i dont anybody is capable of beating the "pay a dollar every time you want to reload your gun" concept, cause that shit is literally straight out of meme EA slander, and that guy seriously wanted it to be a reality
He isn't swallowing any pride. He is doing the bare minimum that his legal department has said has to be done.
Factual
$250 is like two months of car insurance, I couldn't imagine spending that on a *game*
If you think about it logically, if it's not DLC then it's part of the base game and as such everyone should have access to it. If it is DLC then people who bought EoD should have access to it. So if he continued saying it wasn't DLC then he woulda eventually had to be forced to release it for everyone by this logic and his own logic.
"I did not foresee the community's reaction" You definitely did foresee, you just didn't have the balls to handle it
My friend is pre-law and said that this lawsuit would be so easy, he could win it.
He pointed out, they literally admit in this post that they were selling something they knew they couldn't support. By saying they don't have the "infrastructure" that means they were willingly selling a product they have admitted they know they can't provide right now. Even if they argued "well if it's just for the unheard edition", they have no idea just how many of those editions they would have sold. Say it was a huge success and everyone and their mother bought the Unheard Edition, could they then not support it?
It's so ironic in the post that was meant to "fix" everything is probably going to be the best evidence used against them in a fraud/false advertising court
genuine question here, who would be the one suing them for this false advertising? Like can a random player do that or it needs to be a big org?
The issue with fighting them, is they have money to drag it out. And you would enough people to want to fight, and help the case.
@@nguyenhoanglan3751 it would have to be a class action law suit.
playing a bit lf a devil's advocate: That's technically not true, since its impossible to guarantee that game's server will allow for a unknown amount of players to simply connect to all of the sudden. Many many multiplayer games have tried and failed, during launch, to do that, though not all of them
@@nguyenhoanglan3751 It would be a class action thing from my understanding
There is a chance they will change all future large DLC's to their own game client so they can charge for it.
Ten or more years ago Nikita was in charge of free to play game called Contract Wars (basically a budget battlefield ripoff for poor CIS people like me that couldn’t afford good pc or better games)
The game had tech tree and the skills are unlocked by SP (skill points that are given for each Level that you get) and the amount of levels therefore SP are limited (different people unlocked different skills depending on what playstyle they had)
But there was some skills that you couldn’t just buy for SP, there was two most broken skills that you could buy for some time (from 24h to 1 month) for GP (gold points, which is paid in game currency) one gives you insane amount of armour and you don’t die from headshots and other increases your bullet penetration ability
So if you meet the player that has both you just can’t kill him and he kills you in 2-3 hits (doesn’t matter if you upgraded your skill tree to get 100 armour)
So as game grew in popularity this skills became a big problem, if you are playing against the player like that - you are just an NPC for him to kill
You want to know what was Nikita’s solution?
In game roulette for GP, where you had very small % of getting SP
And do you know what it led to? People spent a lot of money to spin the wheel thousands of times to get unlimited amount of SP and unlocked every possible skill
Before - you had to choose between increased accuracy, faster reload, lower recoil, ability to see the through the walls if your enemy makes noise, ability to walk silently, ability to walk faster, increased damage, increased bullet penetration, armour, 2 grenades that you can throw very far and increased damage for them, fucking regeneration to 35 or 45 hp…
Now imagine what game looked liked when your enemy had every fucking ability in the game :)
With that money squeezing choices game started dying and they tried to save it by adding Hardcore mode (game mode where everyone was the same) so they fucked the game and proposed to forget about everything you were spending tons of hours to unlock and just play without it
And then Nikita left the game to die and went to work on another project 😊
Poor what?
I was playing a game of Insurgency Sandstorm a while back on the PvE mode, and while we were waiting for the round start we were chatting, and someone asked if we played Tarkov. One guy said no, since hackers were so abundant in game. The guy challenged him on it, said maybe it wasn’t so bad and the devs were working on it.
This guy then had us join his personal discord server, wherein he provided screenshots from a game hacking server he was a member of. The screenshots were of leaked code and patch information from Tarkov that could assist with workarounds for the new patch. Thing is, the leaks on the server were dated ONE WEEK before the patch actually dropped.
Tarkov has been screwed for years from the inside, so this is just digging the hole a little deeper than it already was.
I mean, just do a search for Tarkov cheats and look at their public Discords. There are multiple that have literally *thousands* of active members at basically all points of the day.
Insurg sandstorm is a fire game, fire as it lights my laptop on fire and it's good
fact checked into oblivion lmao
every fps game has cheaters out the ass right now tarkovs just bad because rmt cod literally has cheaters in every lobby
@@Phyllip21 i will see your tarkov and cod and raise you a counter strike. cs2 doesnt even have anti cheat. its fucking hilarious.
The insane pricing model currently used by the games industry makes people forget that $150 for a pre-alpha game 7 years ago was astronomically high. $250 is just ludicrous.
Inflation!!!
@@JoeMartinez18 That’s not inflation, that’s extortion.
I can't even remember when even that was acceptable. Even in recent years, people seemed to only tolerate retail release price for early access games. I didn't even want to pay $60 for early access BG3 just because it was early access, and it ended up being one of the hottest games of the year so I'd have gotten my money's worth.
The unheard edition sounds like the company's plan to get away with a scam and pretend they don't hear you. 🤣
This is why a lot of games become bad or fall off after they get popular. After a little success devs start seeing only dollar signs instead of actually improving the game.
The game actually has had ton of improvements lately. They decided to be snakey and try to cash in on the momentum of those QOL updates. People are not that stupid lol
@@dreamwireless8513 they could have gotten away with a 150$ price tag if they made it so EoD people still got it for free and didnt try to find a loophole. People are stupid but they freak out a lot more once they finally realize they've been manipulated.
more like overly ambitious devs realize their project's goals are way out of the scope of what modern technology can do, Streets of Tarkov runs like ass if you don't have the newest best CPU.
Triple A devs specifically. Most indie devs are fine.
@@eugenekrabs141indie devs like their job, some of these ceo types are just greedy
Greed really appears to have driven these decisions, betraying the community. This is a harsh lesson for the gaming industry.
Cocain is one hell of a drug
Umm, is it? We've had numerous instances of excessive greed and I haven't seen a real change in the industry. They just keep trying and see what they can come up with next. And the worst part is, they just get fired from one company and go to work to another to make other stupid decisions. Riccitiello for example went from EA (tried to make people pay to reload guns) to Unity (tried to make developers pay for each installation of their games) and he's still a board member of a few gaming related organizations (e.g. ESRB). The real problem is this: "problematic" people like Riccitiello keep holding positions of power in the industry
A lesson AAA industry refuses to learn
@@tearenn3046 and why do you think that is?
I dont see a learning curve...
I love how he taunts people and most of the time they won't have the balls to talk back. The Eminem of gaming.
This is why I wait five (5) years after a new game's release to see if the thing is even playable or exists.
Smart 👍
The awful thing about this whole entire situation, is that the price still hasnt changed. The game industry does this sooo often: taking 2 steps towards shitty business practices, the community complain and there is massive backlash, so they take 1 step backwards. The community rejoices, but sometimes fail to realise that they still took that one step! The fact that a game sells a 250 dollar dlc is absolutely insane to me, and if they get away with this, it wont be good for players of any game in the futute
I remember when people made fun of horse armor.
@@TheSuperappelflap goeie tijden
It's insane. They're so focused on "ok we'll add a few new perks to it!"
Okay... Doesn't change the fact the price tag is actually mr. krabs tier greed.
2:22 they be charging hundreds for something which they don't even consider a "major addition"...
*Don’t read my name………😮*
Its similar to war thunders high tier premium vehicles (you buy those so you can grind more easly (it still takes a shit ton of time to grind) ) and if you want to get a premium for a ground, air or helicopter tree for a certain nation (there are) you have to fork over 50 euro for the helicopters and 70 euro for the jets and tanks, charging triple A pricing for a single item in game that helps you grind out 1/10 nations and 1/5 of the stuff that nation has to offer is insane
@@croatiandude8884scarcity and desperate times really run this world man….its sad..