This Bike Made Me Rethink EVERYTHING...2024 YZ450F!
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2024
- Big thanks to Jerry Lorenz for letting me spin some laps on his "Bike of the Year" YZ450F! It was an eye-opening experience to say the least
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@JeffWalker84
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The Yami is a game changer (Coming form a KTM fanboy). Faster, better suspended...and now thinner. Cheaper to fix and maintain....what a no brainer.
all these reasons is why i just sold my rockstar edition and bought a yamaha. Only ktms i have now are my 300 2ts that have carbs, ill ride them til they break in half, but ill never buy another orange machine.
It felt great! In my experience the KTM has been rock solid in the reliability department. Top end and clutch plates every 40hrs and don’t need to worry about a crank until 100. Can’t beat that!
@@JeffWalker84 they’ve been good to me too. I maintain my stuff meticulously but as a engine guy. When I break down yamaha engines at the maintenance interval they always look like they could go way longer. The ktms I usually see stuff that makes me glad I’m refreshing things. That being said if you maintain them properly they’re great bikes. Very vanilla. Never do anything out of place to ya that makes you scared. Some bikes I’ve ridden are downright scary. Regardless of setup.
My main issue is the suspension on the ktms comparatively. I have to spend 5-8k minimum to get my ktm suspension to feel equal at best to a stock yamaha setup and that makes me feel sad. ENZO stuff is next level. I can’t justify that cost when I can buy a Yamaha and put all titanium fasteners on it, have Enzo do the suspension for the same price or less.
Are you gonna try to do Supercross again?@@JeffWalker84
If you ride a Yamaha 450 at that level you will have a new piston every 25 hours, and at 50 hours you would be better off trading it in for a new one. The KTM is so much more durable. Speak from experience.
You may already know this, but take it from this Arizona guy who rides true hard pack blue groove tracks. Hard tracks need faster rebound settings to feel plush. Faster rebound also softens compression because oil is free to flow both directions through the rebound hole. That means the rebound clickers are not just rebound, they are rebound and compression in one, where the compression clickers are only compression. Rebound settings are overlooked too much.
Appreciate the info! I’ll keep it in mind for sure
Looking very fast on the Yami during those sprint laps!
In all the years I’ve been watching dirt bike videos I’ve never just seen a quad on the same track as a dirt bike like this,that’s crazy lol
I have, they use to share tracks in so cal, and they would blow all the lines out.....been years though since we had em
Day 109 of Cheering on Jeff: GO JEFF!
It's always fun to hear different riders perspectives on bikes. It's funny, I find the stock form of the YZ450F to be a monster (ECU on your KTM probably makes a big difference). Not to mention your ability to tune the Yamaha by downloading different maps. It's taken the Austrian brands so long to catch up to this. I love KTM two strokes, especially for trail riding. I also love the 350s. However, on the 450 front, there is just no comparison. The Yamaha is it for me. I hate the air forks and think it's absurd you have to pay as much as you do to get it on par with stock KYB on the Yamaha....and even then it's often not as good. Also not a fan of the chassis change on the KTM, though the 2024.5 factory editions appear to have rectified the semi-truck ride on the new Austrian bikes. My biggest disappointment of all the new bikes/bike releases thus far is the Showa suspension on the Ducati. I wanted stock Ohlin's.
My favorite mx UA-camr by far!!! Love the vids Jeff
W JEFF LETS GO MAN love the content thanks for always uploading you make me want to go pro like you man keep it up!
JL is an Animal 💪👊 .. Ya looked great on this bike Jeff 🔥✌️😉
Went from a ktm to the yami mid last season will never go back
My kx250 come stock with kyb suspension and i agree the suspension is really good💯
it was impressive how you could change lines on the Yami. It will be interesting to see what the KTM is like in the next video
Looking good boss! I love my '21 yz450f but I don't want to try a '23 and up. Pretty sure I'd have to buy one ha.
I had a 2010 yzf 450, it was kind of a tank but i liked it. It didnt turn well. i broke the back wheel and the motor case at redbud 2014 and that was the end of it.
You look really comfy cozy on that thing man!
Just starting the video but that suspension doesn’t look stock…. What’s the red fork caps?
i love the track routed that way.
The YZ450F engine is heavily detuned to make it's power much more controllable , if you want faster than just play with the maps but don't be surprised when you go flying off the back unable to hold on. That bike is scary fast and good luck keeping the front end down.
Cool point of view Jeff have you ridden a stock YZ 450 yet? Without the pipe? The pipe actually settles it down and smooth the power out. So that could be where your getting the feeling it’s slow I a 23 yz450 it’s super fast
Yooo quads, love to see it.
Stick with ktm I had Yamaha it was a maintenance nightmare then I went back to ktm
My bikes are all older off-road models but I just went from Yamaha to KTM. I like everything better other than the WP, tempted to switch back just to be on the SSS KYB double D’s again
You won’t need 5 gallon tube of loctite on that Yzed
I tell ya what Jeff , you look very good on this bike ! It looks as if the bike went every where you wanted it to go ! You looked like you been riding this bike for years ! You would be a fool to stay on KTM after watching this video ! Look at your boy jerry R putting in some of his best results!
Jerry crushed it on the blu cru for sure! Webb also looks great on it
So good with the hydro clutch!
Great video. I wish that track had kid sessions tho.
Jeff and yamaha is like tiger Woods in red om sundays!
you looked good on it out there forsure
U gotta ride what you're comfortable on....but you looked really good on the blue machine......
Dam Jeff gets with it
Bro if you gave that bike some time you would for sure be faster look how quick you adapted. Looks like you been riding it.
Was the bike tuned with the app for a pipe??? Hearing the new 24s are a bit laggy but some say adding a pipe you may need to change the mapping
Unsure! I would say it was stock mapping
Hey Jeff u ever going to try and do supercross big supper of u and would love to see you out there
honestly, with setup, you can hear the off throttle and see the up and down fork chatter in the chop. she was in fact, a lil sturdy out there lmao
Fast on any color!!
I miss my yamaha i got a 23 fc450 now the thing is harsh but i love it though
Ive been saying KTM messed up when they kept on stiffining the frame more and more.
Finally in 2025 a little softer frame so hopefully will be good
🔥🔥
What are your thoughts on the 2024 CRF 250 or 450
Hell yeah blu cru
Would love to see you on a Yami full time! Coming from someone who rides a 350SXF🤣
Jeff I want you to ride a Stark bro and give some feedback
:)
Let’s Go!
I'm super old school and grew up on 2 strokes. In fact, the last bike I owned was a 1982 CR 125. It was the tallest production bike Honda had built. And although I'm just a super novice, while you obviously know what you're doing, I still can't get used to that 4 stroke bogging sound. I constantly thought you were going to stall it.
How do you get used to that bog?
The Beta racing edition since 2023 and the Sherco's also come with the Kayaba suspension🔥
KYB
@@mopingapples in germany it's Kayaba
Tm Moto also comes with kyb on stock bike
First time by the channel killer job by the way. But I won’t beat around the bush when u switched to the ktm your way faster on the Yamaha way faster
GO JEFF BABY GURLLL
You looked real good on the blue machine, imagine some KYB on the KTM 🤔
KYB on KTM is the dream!
Quads on the track just blows my mind. I've never ridden a track where quads are allowed!
I've seen it a few times at small local tracks and it really sucks.
Yeah it gets hectic. They do it up here in the northeast
Good to know what it looks like to ride Fast.
nicks bars catching strays lmao
After 15 years break, I bought a ktm that I kept for 2,5 years. I thought the blisters I had on my hands were normal and were going to disappear after few months. The problem decreased a bit but never ended...then I bought a yamaha and was surprised by the fact that I could still have soft hands while racing MX !! I never had any blisters since then.
To be 100% honest, the ktm was a 350f and the yami a 250f, maybe it helped...
Next moto extreme has open ride your more then welcome to ride my 24 CRF 450, I’d like your opinion on setting it up better!
that Yamaha has a aluminum frame and that's going to flex a lot more then your steel frame. in sand i like my Husqvarna specifically for the steel frame because its a lot stiffer and i can feel more. its a lot smoother probably because its a aluminum frame + the kybest suspension ever
I was surprised the first time you tried it that you havent notice. You had sand tire on your ktm not the yz450f 2023
You can also shift less by just changing the mapping on the app
The 23 ktm chassis is super harsh even with stock suspension imo. It needs softer engine hangers, lower torque specs on the chassis bolts, cast triple clamps? not sure what but it needs something. So rigid feeling. Still very stable just stiff
Yep none of the pros like it either 20-22 was the last of the best gen made from ktm
has a SEVERE bind in the rear suspension stroke. pull the shock out of one sometime and run it through the stroke and you'll hit a hard spot in the stroke where it binds up on the chain/countershaft sprocket. Engine angles weird, have to run weird gearing to bandaid it, larger countershaft sprocket helps. makes ya have to go up on rear though too if you want the same or similar gear ratios
@@nil8urbudz708 your would be mistaken. Adding a tooth to the front is like SUBTRACTING teeth from the rear. Not adding. You should be sure your right before you try and correct someone. 😂😂😂😂 have a great day.
yoo where did you get your graphics ?
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Another day of Jeff blowing out ruts
i think you should try new ktm frame and give us ur opinion on it
Oh this isn’t the new 23/24 frame? Yah it’s a lot better
@@thesmoness yup, he’s has the older one
@@januszjestem1864 I saw enough purple on the plastics to think it was a 24 but maybe he just tossed new plastics on. I don’t ride mx but single track and I really like the new frame over the up to 22 one
@@thesmoness he has 24 but there is 24.5 factory frame, it is supposed to be less stiff
I have the “new generation” 2023 bike, but I don’t have the revised 2024.5/2025 frame. Super excited to try that out!
GOD DAMN LET'R RIP yeah, i see my dude on blue, aint no question about that now.
Wonder if he put the swingarm from the old bike on so you don't get headshake like everyone else
Walk, it must be nice not to ever have to worry about who's coming up behind you!
Hi, Im 13 years old, i am 5.5, 5.6 tall and i weight Around 63 kg, i have experience in atvs, i can handle my dads suzuki ltz 400 and my cousins Polaris trail blazer 330 i can speed on them and have good control, so should i go for the bikes Everyone say like a Klx 140 or go for another thing like 125 2t or 250 4t? i really like dirt bikes i loved them since i was a little kid but never got the opportunity to have one or drive one and i really want now. Im gonna buy it used, is Between 2k and 3k a good price?
I think that yamaha seems less powered to you than the ktm because you are used to ktm overrevs. ktm power peaks at 11k+ rpm while yamaha is a lot stronger at mid range. it allows to run a gear
higher and requires less effort to ride as fast as on the ktm with overrevs. I used to be ktm fanboy since 50cc till i hopped on a 450. I initially felt that in stock form it was underpowered in the bottom range. Of course I could ride wide open 3-4 gear it like I used to ride 250f, but during 30+ minutes motos it is not the way you want to ride. then i was offered to ride 2020 yz 450f and i loved it (and bought it) it was easy to ride both in low and high rpm and i started to gain my roll speed wich helps a lot during long time motos on rought tracks like nationals mx. now i am a happy owner of 24 yz450f)) so next time you ride it, try to ride gear higher or remap settings in powertuner app to release full potential of this engine (i am not a ktm hater btw, it is also a great bike but requires a lot more investment to be race ready than a blue bike)
When are the Twitch streams coming back Jeff?
Is there an hour meter?
I could really picture you and Honda
What track is this??
For the yam they say the power is great did you see if he had the bike maps changed to mellow probably
Beta comes with kyb 23 and up, switch to it basically a Italian ktm
The Yamaha seems like it revs more free
It's not a moto bike I guess you could say but the Beta comes with KYB and now so does the Triumph.
look 10x faster on that thing
Quads on the track at the same time!? Wtf??? They don’t even allow mini’s and big bikes on the track at the same time here in NorCal.
Suspension is so much more important than motor upgrades... but so much more hard to understand...keep up the good work JWalk 👏 😁👍
Hold your line man I would be coming up on you so fast that you’d wreck us both LMAO
IM KIDDING, dude I crash just watching your videos 😂 how the hell you go that fast blows my mind ✊🤯
😂
Hey Jeff!
how did you find the ride triangle?
I found it a bid small for us tall dudes!
Keep it up my man, can't wait to see you racing!
Definitely a bit smaller, but I also have lower pegs and a tall seat on my KTM so it’s hard to compare stock-to-stock
I'd love to see jeff do some triple crown rounds
nice when you have a bike with no fake engine like ktm,gasgas,husqui
The weird thing is star racing can't put a good setup with that bike and all semi pro etc like it
that hydro clutch affects the power delivery believe it or not, the cable clutch pulls harder off the bottom to the mid, the hydro clutch seems to absorb some of that and smooth things out, you might prefer a cable, not sure everyone likes a specific style clutch so its a pretty personal kind of setting.
I’ve heard testers say that Yamaha did not add enough pressure clutch, causing what you said. I expect to see a refined clutch system in the next update.
@@nikolasgibson3438 I’m still more of a cable guy I realized coming off of using a brembo clutch for many years now (more than I can remember 😂) and I’m enjoying the feed on the cable much more. Granted my lever ratios not stock but that’s all relative imo. Either way great bike. Can’t go wrong. 👊🏻
Yamaha on top baby
When are you going to try Supercross again?
as a Yamaha guy. And a two-stroke guy. Those four strokes as far as the engine goes we all know we can set it in a different map and make that engine out perform a KTM. Bike of the Year baby go Blue
stock to stock the thing drags a ktm. i got rid of my ktm for the yamaha, i had a kit on the ktm, spring forks. nowhere near as good as the yamaha. feels good to be back on blue
Chase that club mx contract
The dream
Damn quad riders 😂
Try out kawi
hey man i dont what bike takes you there i just wanna see your name on the leaderboard
The difference in speed is really dangerously large. I think this is going to go wrong at some point. Wouldn't it be better if you train more on days when most amateurs have to work?
Or other tracks.
ktm picks up way faster but the yamaha has a smooth kinda clutch slipping power delivery
This Yami is heavily detuned because it has way too much power .
lol its funny because i avoid other peoples bikes for the same reason. I'm scared i'm gonna like it way more than my current bike and have to go buy one lol.
You got this track Dialed and you are ripping on the yz and I think you are faster on the Yamaha than the ktm
Bro you’re 5x smoother on the Yamaha
go to MCR suspension. More experienced and a former pro 👌
BluCru
Why don’t you ask him if you can do a day off testing with your bars, the suspension set up and remove the ecu off the Ktm that way it’s more comparable. Just like you did on the Ktm vs Honda video just so there’s no excuses and lap times prove it’s faster for you
Kawasaki comes with kyb too
Only the sr but they don’t make that anymore
@ryanxmx31 thats funny because my 22 kx250 in my garage has kyb on it
@@EastKyTrailshe was talking about 450s
Come on man join the blu cru
Ain’t no way this dude just called me a freestyler 😩
All black plastic?? That’s all I needed to see😤