I think more likely is she was bitter she couldn't marry another woman. Everything that's been described about her, from her niece's recounting of her words to the pattern of isolating the wives from their husbands, seems like a bitter jealous repressed woman. Sometimes the cliche fits and I think it does here.
Probably something to your assessment, but I believe it's much darker than that. The type of physical and other abuse she is alleged to be involved with paints a far more sinister picture.
@@1000huzzahs I've been thinking that for a long time. I wonder how many Mormon lesbian women are stuck in marriages to men, but can't do anything about it. It is really sad that religions are holding women (& men) hostage, because of some man written rules.
I’d love to know what his ex-wife thought of Jodi getting arrested. It has to have planted a seed of doubt, especially after her ex-husband and 6 kids left the church.
Hey I'd love to answer this question because it is interesting. I'm the girlfriend of his 4th child. His ex after awhile was not into Jodi's ideas anymore and when she found out Jodi went to jail it did not hurt her faith she just said Jodi was doing wrong things that weren't churchly but beyond that she did not want to talk about the matter.
This is one of the best Mormon Stories interviews I have seen. John asked many important questions that tied together so many things that happened in the news lately. And thanks, Brian, for being so open and admitting to your own mistakes and taking accountability. I’m glad that you have found happiness.
I sure hope this guy gets to testify at Jodi’s trial. This defies all common sense. I simply cannot imagine how these otherwise intelligent people go along with this evil crap!!
@@AndImsomeladyimagine all of the women Jodi has counseled into believing they were rape victims at the hands of their husbands. Husbands who loved their wives! Husbands who weren’t violent, weren’t rapists. She deserves every bad thing coming to her in prison and beyond.
Totally agree. However, it became increasingly annoying when the therapist butted into the flow of conversation every minute - pick and choose most impactful interruptions for the listening audience’s sanity please!!!
@@cheribragg2686 They are talking about the therapist with whom he and his ex were in mid session when his ex claimed that he had R’d his children. That came from Jodi’s manipulation. And the church was complicit in ripping apart families.
@@beanyboomer5391 Now that more police footage was released we can see the extent of her wealth. The LDS Church made her very wealthy, gave her access to other’s wealth too. (The LDS Church referred hundreds of “patients” to her over the years that needed to be “treated” for normal human actions & conditions like laughing “too loud”, self-pleasure or not being a 1 on the Kinsey Scale. Will all the other LDS “therapists” avoid being shut down only because they don’t take the physical abuse to 11? Or will they just buy more secretive & better hidden compounds kids can’t escape from, like the wilderness youth camps?
Thanks to Brian for coming on. He was so genuinely honest and open even about his own mistakes. That's what Mormons Stories seems to attract in a lot of its guests. I appreciate that! ❤️❤️❤️
I just wish the title was a little more honest. They didn’t talk much about what Jodi did to ruin the marriage. Was his story, and his spirital journey. And he left the church it seems before Jodi got involved. I will say that I appreciated his candid comments and he seems well adjusted in his no mo life. People find peace in many ways and I think he has that.
Absolutely! That and the inability to say NO to anything. Mormons are taught that if they are asked to do anything, especially by a man, they HAVE to say yes. I was constantly scolded and/or punished when I said no to things. Callings, talks in church, cleaning the church, etc… you name it, if it’s asks of you, you don’t question, you just DO. I didn’t care. I said no anyway and constantly got into trouble for it.
100% this, I was born and raised in the church, and was led to believe that bishops were personal representatives of the Lord. I was in an abusive relationship, And went and saw my bishop for council, my intention was to find him my boyfriend at the time, a new place to live, regardless he said, because we were having sex outside of marriage there was contention in the relationship. If we got married, the contention and blessings would be poured out upon us. We were married and sealed in the temple a year later. Needless to say the abuse lasted for 17 years before I was able to get out. I am so sorry to be one of those that believed in the church hook line and sinker. Thanks for listening to my rant lol.
I am so very sorry for what has happened to you. I can totally feel & understand what you are going thru. One of my bishops I had throughout the years completely attacked me right there in his office. I have had dispecable encounters. I must have looked vulnerable I don't know. It was deplorable!! Still working on all of it. Bless you 🩷
Exactly!! A fantastic book on this horrific phenomenon is called "Fraudulent Authority". People in churches are taught to NOT trust themselves and to let any elders, pastors or leaders to have all control. This IS ABUSE!!! 😢 And, it's what happened to me in my last marriage. Stripped me of my autonomy, self respect and self esteem. The last 5 years I've had to rebuild who I am because I was almost completely erased.
I kinda love the fact that Jodi must go absolutely mental about John putting out one podcast after another, exposing what a truly evil, manipulative and distorted sadist she is (hopefully her lawyers tell her that her niece and former clients are giving interviews). She must have despised John and @mormonstories before, for being "anti mormon". So he being the one who exposes her despicable behavior, must anger her so badly.
@@debfox To be honest, I am rather worried about what she will do to her prison inmates. Jodi has been doing her sadistic "therapy" for far too long to just stop now. She'd have started on other women in that prison already, I'm afraid.
@@AndImsomelady Exactly... And in case the scarcity of mormon victims becomes very strong, Jodi will definitely spread her tentacles further. She'll start converting non-mormon women and making them into her "patients," i.e. victims. Narcississtic fanatics like her cannot stop, because their entire personality and self worth are tied to having power over other people and their lives. And knowing what an experienced master manipulator she is, many aroung her might start believing in that "distortion" garbage.
I love Brian’s honesty, being out of the church for 15yrs now I still find it a difficult subject to speak on. Undoing the churches brainwashing is such a mind curling experience. The bguilt, the anger at the manipulation. I was naive, we are taught to believe without question and learning you’re surrounded by liars is such a hard lesson to learn. My little family is Just another family destroyed in the name of the church. My first husband was Mormon and I could never measure up to his ideal of a perfect Mormon wife. That life was so unbelievably suffocating, trying to be what my ex husband wanted me to be and never quite getting it right. My husband now is amazing, he’s not religious. He loves me for me with no judgement , and that’s the greatest gift he could ever give me. Life is so much better after leaving, I don’t live a life of internal chaos. My younger sister is only a year out and she has so much anger towards the church now, yet she’s never felt the inner peace she does now.
May I suggest the peace that passes understanding In the fact that the Mormon church is a cult. Jesus Christ is completely distorted in that “ religion”. If you read the Holy Bible only, and ask God for truth, you will find a life free of guilt when you ask Jesus to forgive your sins ( because every single solitary person sins all the time! ) and ask Him to guide you and to enter into your heart and life. For it is by grace ( not Mormon version of grace) we are saved thru faith not by works ( following man’s rules or working our way to heaven) but it is the free gift of God, lest any man should boast. I feel so very sorry for people who live under the guilt and lies of the Mormon church.
The most terrifying thing to hear was when Brian said the Bishop told his wife the kids would end up with her in the next life. In my mind that’s how kids get killed. Made me immediately think of Lori Daybell. If the wife is thinking the longer the kids are on earth the more opportunity satan has to get to them I can absolutely see someone deciding death is better. These are really scary things!! And I hope the church is paying attention to these “dark soul” type Mormons!!
@@sorandombethany6307 Besides, don’t the kids become adults and have their own families which is why they want to get married in the temple. Oops, parents. You are now grandparents and the kids have their own families they want to be forever; oops, here we go again. Someone wake up!
I think it was more about them not having a phone or media access. Phones are computers now a days. Kids get so involved with social and alot of bad things, including bullying. The grand parents snuck around that. As a parent I would be upset. But I wouldn't have blamed the kids. Wow phone!!! Thanks Grandpa!!! The GPs should have talked to the parents tell them they would like to talk to the grand kids more often. Can we give them phones?? We can put parental controls or phone calls only. We can schedule times to talk?? There were many ways without sneaking around. Needless to say Jodi's resolution was extremely harsh and borderline sadistic. But this religion (i am not mormon) seems to go to extremes for compliance. Jodi trades on that for money, power and her own sadistic pleasure.
@@TheAislynnRoseBut, why did the grandparents feel the need to secretly give them a phone? I'm guessing the grandchildren weren't able to talk to them freely.
@@TheAislynnRose Did you actually listen to this whole video? That's NOT it. The grandparents had to meet with Jodi to get HER approval to talk to their grandkids. Family alienation and isolation is what Jodi did. It was her pattern.
I didn’t expect I was going to listen to this entire interview but it was amazing. Much love to this man and his kids that he saved from his same fate ❤
Don't forget, her sentencing hearing is on the 20th of this month. We all need to pray that the judge does the best he can and is allowed by law to give her exactly what she deserves! She needs to be somewhere she can no longer cause damage to another person, especially a child's life!
Amen to that. I’m so worried that they’ll give 6-10 years tops. Jodi won’t stop. She absolutely doesn’t see anything wrong with her ways, she thinks she’s working FOR God himself. Ironic she is the most distorted one of all. The poster child of distortion just not in the way she wanted.
@@buddhabunnee I’d never have thought that either but I’ve heard prosecutors on YT say things of that sort after their plea agreements. I hope they get DECADES. Truly some of the most horrifying things I’ve ever heard.
Jodi's nibling Jesse said they had talked to the judge or someone from the court, and they said it was pretty likely for Jodi to get the maximum sentence 🤞
She fleeced the family out of 30k. Wow! She deserves suing as she didn’t even provide the therapy charged for! She lived in a mansion while the poor people she indoctrinated lost their savings, this is really like out of a movie! Jodi is the first really malicious example I have encountered of a hateful misandrist. That must be what it looks like when a woman hates men so much. As a woman I could never fathom separate a good present male parent from their kids and take on his role. Disgraceful.
I hope the Franke children get a huge settlement from Jodi, and if there is any left over, I hope that will go to the law suits that she would most definitely lose. I sure hope a lot of victims will come forward and sue because she has so much money and assets.
Good on you for what you wrote! I‘m a man, and have encountered a number of misandrists - which was at times truly disturbing. Also because then, this „wasn’t a thing“. No one would question- let alone CONDEMN a female for engaging in misandry. Here one of the lesser terrible experiences I made: I was once in an odd controversial discussion with this girl at a party. I did listen to her, did not agree with what she said and offered an alternative take while sticking with the facts - meaning that as far as I was concerned, not only wasn’t I being personal - I actually offered her solid information in hopes she may change her take on things. But no matter how rational I was debating, she kept being oddly antagonistic. By the way - the topic didn’t even have anything to do with women or men. But I tried to understand where her antagonism was coming from - and the thought crept up on me that she was being antagonistic with ME - just because I WAS A MAN! So I completely went off-topic and bluntly asked her: „Do you hate all men?“ To which she (and I give her credit for that!) simply replied: „Yes.“ It’s hard to understand for others, I guess - but to me, this was a kind of touching situation - because (at least that’s how I view it) it gave her the chance to reflect on her situation - and her motivations. I think she probably has a backstory that may explain how she became a misandrist. Doesn’t make it right. But I still viewed her as a human being. However - everyone else at the party, who had witnessed our exchange was just SHOCKED - mainly at me, for being so blunt lol. Another misandrist, by the way is that psychologist from the Amber Heard v Jonny Depp trial. I forgot her name - but she was INSUFFERABLE!
They need to stop reading The Book of Mormons. Joseph Smith is dead and gone. God is exposing the Mormon Church for what it is. The more control they have over the people, the more money. We have Mormon Churches here in Hawaii. Polynesian Cultural Center and BYU big money. They somehow were able to brainwash the Hawaiians.
The LDS Church recommended Jodi Hildebrant as a therapist to lots of people. Could people whose lives have been negatively affected by her therapy (like the Franke children) civilly sue the LDS Church?
I really appreciate how sympathetically Brain speaks about his former wife, even when he has every right to be resentful of her. It really speaks to his emotional maturity and how much growth he's experienced since leaving.
I wish the man-child I just divorced would lose the child portion of his description. Our children are grown, but he took my service dog I trained with my own two hands from the time she turned ten days old. She's not just a dog, she's an actual extension of me that he stole. It's the ONE THING I cannot get over or past. Like a child, I would give my life for her. She belongs to me. Sucker, may the powers that be, be truthful with HIS LIFE. HE'S "THE" DR. JECKLE & MR. HYDE. THE LATTER MAKING THE RAREST OF APPEARANCES.
Great episode, thank you both. Brian thank you for sharing and being vulnerable, former Bishop here, left seven years ago. My ex-wife wouldn't even allow "doubt" conversations I feel you but Jodi took you to another level of heartache and unfortunate circumstances. I went through a suicidal time as well as the harm that is caused by the "doctrine" that has been taught and individuals like Jodi are literally evil. In the last days good will be called evil and evil will be called good. Guess what? The "good" church is evil. A wolf in sheep's clothing. Thank you, John, and Mormon Stories keep shining a light on the darkness.
Mormon Stories continues to knock it out of the ballpark with these amazing interviews! I am a never Mormon but am almost addicted to this channel 😁. I learn so much
Me too! At this point I could give a 2 hour tedtalk about the history of the Mormon church and the current crime wave of fundamentalist prepper doomsday Mormons and how it’s all related. 😂
I don't think that Jody Hildebrandt is the only "Mormon" therapist out there that use these techniques. I'm sure the church has a whole list of so called therapist that bishops refer members to.
I wouldn't say they are as extreme as Jodi, but yes. I even told my sister to go to a regular marriage counselor because it's impossible for these church sanctioned ones to be unbiased when they have an agenda to push.
@chrispierce9699 - you know it! Keep the members ‘sick’ and paying for services, which will kick back to LDS in the form of fat tithes from the therapists massive revenue. Then LDS can buy more real estate oops I mean save more souls 🙄
I was recommended a therapist. Her philosophy is to beat me to my emotional core and build on that. I thought I was already at rock bottom. Nope, not after she attacked my character and my already emotional anguish. I cried and cried when I left.her office and never went back
@heatherpeterson6426 Good for you for leaving. I had a similar experience when I had a therapist in the military. Her angle was to shame me for leaving in attempts to draw me back, but the final straw came when she basically condoned my father's abuse because he was a good (Mormon) man. Her office was cleared out by my next appointment.
Wow, just wow. Greatly appreciate Brian discussing his Morman life…again, wow. As a non-Morman, it is just so fantastical listening to how the church keeps track of its members through burrowing into their minds through mind control. This conversation added more nuance to the Lori and Chad Daybell saga. So glad Brian came through it all in the end. Mind control is real.
I really empathized with this story a lot. I grew up in the far north of Utah, and my family is from southern Idaho (declo, burly, blackfoot, etc). I grew up around Benson Mormons. I also had a bad experience with my mission leader abusively shaming me. I also had the "what if this is all bullshit" moment. I also thought it was necessary to hide that revelation. I went on my mission and all through BYU while keeping my feelings a secret. I can see why you would feel like you had no way out of that situation. I feel this Mormon story more than a lot of them.
You’d think it was a huge red flag that ALL of Jodi’s couples who sought counseling ended in divorce. Like, we’re there any successes where the couples stayed together? Doesn’t seem that way. Yet the church still kept recommending her. Insanity.
Because Jodi had a degree in psychology and she was dealing with vulnerable people who were already used to being manipulated by the church already. She convinced the couples that the husbands had a non-existent addiction. Then, Jodi's methods would magically cure the addiction that didn't actually exist... OR she'd convince the wives to divorce and make them think they were so much better off separated/divorce. The cured addicts and the single mothers told the church leaders how much Jodi had helped them. And, of course, Jodi never missed an opportunity to praise herself.
My instincts tell me there is something hidden behind this choice the church made and keeping her instead of using another psychologist. A dark secret maybe connected to child abuse.
We're holding on so far, but no thanks to Jodi. Thanks to the prayers and fasting of family members. But I still don't know if we're going to remain married. She told my husband that he needed to leave his family.
@@B_BodziakJodi doesn't even actually have a degree in psychology. From another researcher I heard she only has a master's. But yet she told the police when they interviewed her that she was a psychologist.
There’s a story told by Ruby Franke’s husband Kevin in his second police interview so who knows if it’s true, but according to Kevin there was a couple in Jodi’s Connexions class who she moved in with temporarily. Apparently Jodi claimed she was under siege in her own house by ‘evil spirits’ and needed a place to crash and the Franke’s convinces this couple to take her in. But she was only there for a short time before they asked her to leave first inappropriate behaviour and that’s why the Franke’s allowed her to live with them.
I really appreciate Brian’s in depth history that he shared so openly, and John’s questions were perfect throughout. This is the best interview I’ve seen/heard in a long time. Thank you so much!
I am not a former Mormon. The only contact I have with the church is that I have talked with a couple missionaries in my life. However, I have always been fascinated by the mass deception that the Mormon religion has foisted upon so many. Back in the 70's I ordered and read most of Sandra Tanner's book. Again, I did this because I was so amazed by the manipulation involved in this religion. I just want to express my deep regard for you, Bill Reed and RFM. You guys are amazing and I have been watching your channels almost non-stop for the past 4 months. As soon as I am able, I plan to support you monthly.
Brian is one of the most interesting speakers I’ve listened to in a long time. I appreciate John not interrupting constantly, as so many interviewers do
Brian - so glad that your own search for truth liberated your kids from an oppressive organization and ultimately protected them from Jodi. Good Papa!!
I completely love this interview! It is so important to hear that when someone has such a strength of convictions in the church, and then their truth seeking heart and mind realizes the truth about the LDS church being chock full of lies and half truths….(and that is me being gentle in my wording about the lies)
From what i understand the bishops would refer the members to Jodi. To me that means that the church ruined your marriage by sending you to her. It was the church's responsibility to know her technique for helping. I think the church should be sued for putting the members through the sessions. Shame on the church leaders.
I was raised in a strict penecostal church. My grandma died when i was 12 and my family quit going. I can see many similarities and im so glad we stopped going. I remember them trying to force me to feel a spirit and feeling like a failure because i didn't
Jodi sounds like she destroyed many marriages. Luckily, when I quit going to the Mormon church, my husband quit going to the Mormon church within a year. My husband never gave me a hard time about quitting going to the Mormon church.
Our Bishop in Lehi referred all couples to Jodi in 2007 (we were referred and didn’t go - just had an intake with a diff person.) One of the men in our ward shot and killed his wife in Jan 2008 in our church parking lot (they were going through a divorce). I’ve recently wondered if they had been seeing Jodi. Some of what I remember about that situation makes me think it was a strong possibility. This woman is a monster.
@@ainokea911 A Bishop is a male member of the LDS church who is appointed to oversee a ward. They keep their day job which could be anything. They usually do it for about five years and then the church authorities pick someone else. So they have a lot of responsibility for helping the members and making sure they stay on the straight and narrow, but since they are just "a guy" from the neighborhood, some of them are better qualified than others.
I absolutely love this Mormon story. I love that Jon just lets the interviewee talk and tell their story and doesn’t do a whole lot of interrupting. I think Jon is a great interviewer. Thank you so much for great content.💜
I grew up in a very orthodox LDS family in AZ and I’ve never heard of all these crazy side stories of Mormonism beliefs before last year until most of my family started their journeys out of the church. I’ve been inactive since 2012 but last year started me down a rabbit hole. What on earth.. Utah/Idaho Mormons are a different breed 😂
N OT THE ARE WORST, A LADY FOR HER BELIEVE, SEND TO KILL HER HUSBAND,2 CHILDRENS, THE WIFE OF HER LOVER , AND STILL CLAIM THAT THE 2 CHILDRENS CAME TO HER AND TOLD HER THAT SHE DIDN'T DO WRONG.
Everyone who's been unfortunate enough to have an experience with Jodi tells a similar story. A clearer and clearer picture is forming of the kind of person she is, and it's frightening.
Wow! This is so crazy. All the "spiritual" confirmations of his darkness remind me of when I was sleeping soundly in my bed and my Mom swears she didn't see me. I told her I didn't sneak out that night which I often did but not that night. She prayed about it and God told her I was lying. Also when I was on a Mormon mission this lady accused a member of the wife of the family we were living with of stealing her wedding ring. This lady accused her after praying about it. She then found her ring and accused her of breaking into her house to put it back. The insanity of this is mind-blowing. So many more stories.
@courtneyko1466 Hysterical!! My dad works this way… the spirit tells him things. Then when he’s proving wrong he accuses people of sneaking into wherever and putting those things back… just crazy town 😂😂😂
My jaw dropped when you said your band's name. Outside the Lines was my favorite album in high school but i must have blocked out that time of my life because i totally forgot Colors ever existed. I paused this 10 min in to go listen to the album and comment. I especially can't wait to hear the rest of this episode now!
I was born in Italy and didn’t know anything about the Mormons until… oh, well into adulthood. And you know, the Catholic faith (which I left behind long ago) has its share of wild tales, but when I learned the Joseph Smith story I did a double take. Gold plates? Disappearing gold plates nobody saw? Read through a HAT with a STONE in it? And this happened WHEN? You know, sometimes you suspect that the prophets and saints and originators of your religion might have been not totally honest, or mad, or at least suffering from frontal lobe epilepsy - but good Heavens, Joseph Smith was something else.
IMO, JS had narcissistic tendencies and was really good at spinning tall tales from a young age. Essentially a liar with a huge sexual appetite. No different than ALL other power hungry cult leaders over the centuries.
Did you miss the Angel Maroni and the salamander? How about the mummy case which he said had the Mormon religion written in "New Egyptian?". Egyptologists Say the hieroglyphics are ordinary Egyptian which is written on mummy cases to send the occupant off to heaven.
Joseph Smith is the prophet of the restitution of all things, spoken of by all the holy prophets, but tares were planted and the Mason's killed Joseph, Hyrum, Don Carlos and Sam Smith and then took his marvelous work and a wonder to get members to come to them. The stones are called the urim and Thummim and they are a physical means of being able to translate ancient records.
Also pertaining to the gold plates, Dr. Sammi Hannah was my dad's client and he was asked to translate them from English into Egyptian. The Book of Mormon is an authentic record of the time when the Hebrew's, the Egyptian's, the Greeks had an alliance and used reformed Egyptian. Sammi Hannah said that the Book of Mormon is Egyptian and it makes for horrible English. Because Joseph Smith translated the Egyptian word for word into English using the urim and Thummim. But to see the words light up, he had to use a hat for a dark background. Those weren't just stones. Read the Bible about what the urim and Thummim was.
You are a BRAVE person, Brian... Huge kudos for getting out and I am so pleased you are living your best life now! Thank you for sharing! ♥ Love this channel - and you are such an insightful, compassionate interviewer, John... kudos to you, too! ♥
Just wanted to say that this is one of the most incredible stories I've ever heard. Gullibility among Mormons is nothing new. However, this goes into insanity. I feel really bad for Brian, and am happy to hear that he seems to be doing better now. All active Mormons should watch this episode and start asking themselves very deep questions about their own faith.
Watching it while it's up! Glad i watched Adam's interview while it was up! They can make you pull them down, but they can't make us un-hear the truth! Thank you for for all you do! ❤
Brian you are so brave to speak so openly about such personal things in service to others. I think it’s important to hear stories such as yours. Objectively it’s hard for many people to comprehend how such awful things can occur. Awareness is paramount as a prevention. I hope you and all your family find happyness x
I hope she gets 60 years! The trauma she put on so many people! If there’s a hell she’s going straight there! These type of people make their victims feel crazy and guilty!
@rainingopals1439 Every commentator I heard on this case said they will get between 4 and 15 years, because that's how the laws in Utha are for what they are accused of. I only hope they get a long enough sentence for the youngest children to have become legal adults and landed on their own two feet. Just so they can finally grow up and process knowing they're safe from those two hags.
I’d say 60 years no parole. She’s 54, that’s middle aged and let’s say she has another 30 more years. She probably may pull this BS on the inmates there.
You’ve got this branch of members who are over the top kooks. Then the ones who would never be okay with seeing a medium or discussing spiritual wifery. Both see each other as “not getting it right” but both are manipulated by the same church!
As a wife, if my husband came to me and told me something that was so deeply honest, I would value that. It should have been an opportunity to bring them closer together. That is sad.
Thanks for sharing. So happy to hear that the inquisitive mind can break free AND understand the lifetime manipulation of the cult. Once again, we learn that the church and Hildebrand worked together to harm families and children.
What Jody did to these peoples lives take over their families get rid of the husband and then steal. Their money is so evil. I can’t believe she could live with herself
Idk it seems like the men are pretty weak and ready to date. Glad this guy got it together but it’s just as disturbing to me that so many men accept not even talking to their kids. That’s insane. Not even Jesus himself could get between me and my kids.
John, so proud of what you do and what you fight for. Loving 2024! Thank you to all those brave enough to participate, thank you to the Mormon stories team for all the hard work!
Wait, Jodi is accusing him of dishonesty, but she's advising his wife secretly.... to separate a loving father from his children, unless he goes back to living a lie. And his wife also engages mediums to seek after the dead, and values their approval over her husband's (Brian Regan is rarely bluer than a G rating, btw).... and she thinks she's the one following Christian doctrine ?
Exactly. Like many ‘fundamentalist’ groups-they lie completely about the teachings of Jesus. Cults create their own teachings to confuse and manipulate followers. Keep them tired, confused, isolated, and afraid. So they can do the Great Work, whatever flavor it is.
Kudos to you for speaking out about the lies the LDS religion perpetuates .. I am married to an inactive lds member and I try to show him these stories and how hypocritical the lds religion is.. so thank you for being vulnerable and speaking your truth❤️
Thanks for sharing this story! I am so sad at the devastation Jodi left in her wake, and the fact she was so often referred to by LDS Church leaders is significant.
What an enlightening and well-done interview! Both of you seem like good & decent humans, thank you for making and sharing this remarkable life story, and thanks for framing and clarifying all the little things for the people unfamiliar with the Mormon church
Thanks for coming on and sharing your story, Brian. I was lucky enough to see Adam's episode before it had to be taken down, and there is an obvious pattern here in what Jodi was doing to families. She really wants to paint these men as predators. When Brian said that his ex-wife said he r*ped his children, I was just like gobsmacked. What an outrageous and horrible thing to falsely accuse someone of doing. I think this is made especially worse when it's being made in a culture where there is a lot of real child abuse that the Church is systematically covering up. It was interesting to me that they found Jodi in a faith crisis. I'm a never-Mormon and I didn't really think about situations where one spouse loses their faith and the other does not. I guess because in moderate religious circles, like how I grew up, it would not be a big deal. Brian, I think it's really commendable that you recognize and take responsibility here for the ways that you harmed your kids. A lot of parents refuse to do that and it's really damaging. I appreciate that you didn't try to make an excuse for your part in everything.
If anyone lives in Utah and goes to Addo Recovery for marriage counseling which we did for over 2 years, their therapists are VERY much like Jodi and Addo is where marriages go to die!
It's the addiction that is the basic reason why marriages go to die, but it doesn't help when the therapist tells them they need to leave their families!
@@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 there’s no such thing as addiction, of natural urges the body has. Substance addiction is a thought condition but not what some religious people call addiction
@@jhojhoane : There is such thing as addiction. You need to repent and yield your natural man tendencies to God, so you can move out of this primitive world into a greater kingdom of salvation!
Parental alienation is such scary phrase in America. We see cases like this, but we also see abusers crying alienation and getting forced access to their kids..... there's got to be a better way to check and keep kids with or away from parents appropriately
I shy away from these 2+ hour interviews because of the length, but so totally enjoyed this guy’s story that at the end I wished it would continue. At times I was angry listening to what this guy went through, but so happy he persevered and is free of the cult and crazy people like Jodi. Happily married and everyone of his children free from the cult - he is in a good place now.
How does the church support Jody so much when she had a failed marriage? How did clients think she was such an authority? I’m just confused on how she gained the trust of so many?
One of the most powerful manipulative doctrines of the church, which people like Jodi can take advantage of, is the whole concept of the eternal family and eternal marriage. It creates such a deep fear that we will lose the persons we love the most for all eternity. And also our place in the highest level of that eternity. You will basically be lonely and miserable forever. What a horror story this episode. Kudos to Brian for vulnerably speaking so open about it!
Excellent podcast. I appreciate Brian's vulnerability and candor. I'm new to this channel and I'm fascinated by your guest's experiences. I tuned in to better understand how the LDS church doctrine affects its members. Those who are deeply engrossed in the Mormon faith need our compassion and support, especially when/if they finally leave the LDS church. Thank you for your content.
What people aren't realizing is that Jodi is a symptom of a much bigger problem with in the Morman Church orbit. There are many others just like her, she might be worse than others, possibly the worst, but that doesn't mean there aren't others. Purity culture in therapy is a potentially lethal combination that is distroying teens and adults. The prefection culture and purity culture is an impossible standard and when that is mixed in with threapy where you're seeking validation and comfort and your told to meet these imposible standards and shamed for imperfection. Idk how this still exists in the magnitude it is today.
Amen, I am Catholic but my Gran would send me these mormon magazines which I lapped up. It prevented me from even acknowledging to myself that I was gay and the effects on my life where devastating. Trying to be straight when you are not is exhausting and will eventually lead to a break down. And I broke. Took years to heal.
Great illustration of the danger of Pascal's wager. I had never thought through how far it could go. There is no value in living lies you don't believe in. Thank you for sharing.
As a Christian, this sounds all upsidedown and sideways 😬 I really feel for anyone who wasnt encouraged to ask real questions and who were told to declare or testify to something they felt unsure about. How inauthentic can you get? It makes me sad to hear about it. He is such a deep thinker and sounds like he really values integrity. Praying that he contiues to find what is real and true as he lets go of what had been manipulative and deceiving.
@@TheBitPunch You are right about this person. But you miss the point that cults like this turn the actual message upside-down. Jesus gave one commandment-Love One Another. Jesus tore the temple money men down. Said that a rich man has no chance of getting into heaven. These Christian cults say the opposite, teach, and do the opposite.
@@justkiddin84 I didn’t really miss the point, i was just trying to focus on where we agree. I don’t think being a Christian warrants any moral superiority. I agree with the rest of it. Much love.
Great episode! Hopefully you can get more of Jody’s past clients to come on. Brian told his story well. In a round about way Brian made it so I met my now husband. Met him after a Colors concert at CEU, now it’s called USU-Eastern.
A powerful testimony. Thanks for sharing Brian! I also lost my first wife to a cult, different tho, but I went thru it and now have an awesome life on the other side of that.
The opening part where he talks to bishops and friends about masturbation is such a telling story. Something so normal, and even healthy is considered so taboo they won't even define it. It struck me when John talks about healthy therapy, the therapist is there to help with the client's goals. The therapist whom I had on my mission was there only to reinforce the goals of the church and the mission president. What my goals were or what was actually best for me was not to be considered at all. Of course at the time I didn't realize it, but looking back, I realize it now.
Re: asking questions… my brother-in-law is a Greek Orthodox priest and he encourages everyone to ask questions. It’s what he was taught to do in seminary. Asking questions and talking about answers is how we grow in this world. Anyone who says “don’t ask questions” is trying to keep you from finding something.
This is beyond diabolical. The destruction of families and the children. For what??? Money and control? To what end? I'm sitting here wondering how many more are doing this that the light has not yet uncovered? What if that poor little angel had not been able to escape. The fact that they both plead guilty will prevent us knowing the whole truth of this wickedness. I guess for that, I'm somewhat grateful. Despicable
Wow, I didn't realize the interview with Adam Steed had to be taken down. That was a very informative interview and I really hope you can get that back up on UA-cam.
It's almost like Jodi was bitter that her marriage didn't last and went down a serial path of destroying other marriages
This is so real. I'm convinced she always had a deepseated hatred for men and after her marriage failed, something snapped.
I think more likely is she was bitter she couldn't marry another woman. Everything that's been described about her, from her niece's recounting of her words to the pattern of isolating the wives from their husbands, seems like a bitter jealous repressed woman. Sometimes the cliche fits and I think it does here.
Jodi is an angry closeted lesbian! Has way too many signs to not be! I’d know, cause I’m an angry ex-Mormon lesbian😜
Probably something to your assessment, but I believe it's much darker than that. The type of physical and other abuse she is alleged to be involved with paints a far more sinister picture.
@@1000huzzahs I've been thinking that for a long time. I wonder how many Mormon lesbian women are stuck in marriages to men, but can't do anything about it. It is really sad that religions are holding women (& men) hostage, because of some man written rules.
I’d love to know what his ex-wife thought of Jodi getting arrested. It has to have planted a seed of doubt, especially after her ex-husband and 6 kids left the church.
The exact question I would have liked to see addressed
Hey I'd love to answer this question because it is interesting. I'm the girlfriend of his 4th child. His ex after awhile was not into Jodi's ideas anymore and when she found out Jodi went to jail it did not hurt her faith she just said Jodi was doing wrong things that weren't churchly but beyond that she did not want to talk about the matter.
@@lillynielsen4487 thank you. It is astonishing how cognitive dissonance keep peolple in their believe system.
@@lillynielsen4487 thank you so much for your insight! I was wondering about that also.
@@lillynielsen4487thank you for illuminating us to Jodie's background
John, you are killing it in 2024 with your fantastic line ups! Thank you!
I absolutely agree! This interview was a genuine masterpiece.
and his hair looks so good
@@user-vt4vt4iq1p my first time here. He's definitely not hard to look at... Lol
This is one of the best Mormon Stories interviews I have seen. John asked many important questions that tied together so many things that happened in the news lately. And thanks, Brian, for being so open and admitting to your own mistakes and taking accountability. I’m glad that you have found happiness.
I sure hope this guy gets to testify at Jodi’s trial. This defies all common sense. I simply cannot imagine how these otherwise intelligent people go along with this evil crap!!
He’s a good interviewer.
@@heavencanwait421Jodi is not going to trial. She has taken a plea deal.
@@AndImsomeladyhe is really excellent
@@Ozmoon52 I wonder if Utah allows people to speak at parole board hearings?
Shoutout to the practicing therapist who immediately called out Brian's ex for misusing the term "rape".
Amen to that! Words have actual meanings. Jodi seemed like she has a need to dominate even the language that people use.
@@AndImsomeladyimagine all of the women Jodi has counseled into believing they were rape victims at the hands of their husbands. Husbands who loved their wives! Husbands who weren’t violent, weren’t rapists. She deserves every bad thing coming to her in prison and beyond.
Seeing this again in your comment, it stands out to me just how cruel this is. Wow. I can’t imagine saying that to my husband.
Totally agree. However, it became increasingly annoying when the therapist butted into the flow of conversation every minute - pick and choose most impactful interruptions for the listening audience’s sanity please!!!
@@cheribragg2686 They are talking about the therapist with whom he and his ex were in mid session when his ex claimed that he had R’d his children. That came from Jodi’s manipulation.
And the church was complicit in ripping apart families.
I'm 40 min in and I am MAJORLY impressed with Brian. He is so well-spoken and so exact in his words. Phenomenal story teller.
Yes! This was my exact thoughts. So we'll told and engaging. Great episode and intensely interesting.
Many who have led people down the wrong path are well spoken. Beware.
Brian answered a lot of questions about this religion, especially the gold plates!
$30k from one couple over 1.5 years!? No wonder Jodi had that obnoxiously large and expensive house.
Went to go look at her house after reading your comment, and HOLY SHIT!
I know, those garages are ridiculousness. The whole house is nightmare.
It’s a compound. We just don’t get to see the supplies and all that Judi had in that house.
@@beanyboomer5391 Now that more police footage was released we can see the extent of her wealth. The LDS Church made her very wealthy, gave her access to other’s wealth too. (The LDS Church referred hundreds of “patients” to her over the years that needed to be “treated” for normal human actions & conditions like laughing “too loud”, self-pleasure or not being a 1 on the Kinsey Scale. Will all the other LDS “therapists” avoid being shut down only because they don’t take the physical abuse to 11? Or will they just buy more secretive & better hidden compounds kids can’t escape from, like the wilderness youth camps?
I wonder if she got the $ tax exempt through the church affiliation.
Thanks to Brian for coming on. He was so genuinely honest and open even about his own mistakes. That's what Mormons Stories seems to attract in a lot of its guests. I appreciate that! ❤️❤️❤️
I appreciate that too. I’m a nomo, but I think these stories are so good at understanding the human condition.
I just wish the title was a little more honest. They didn’t talk much about what Jodi did to ruin the marriage. Was his story, and his spirital journey. And he left the church it seems before Jodi got involved. I will say that I appreciated his candid comments and he seems well adjusted in his no mo life. People find peace in many ways and I think he has that.
This is the biggest danger in the church - that it teaches you to allow others to guide and direct your life.
Absolutely! That and the inability to say NO to anything. Mormons are taught that if they are asked to do anything, especially by a man, they HAVE to say yes. I was constantly scolded and/or punished when I said no to things. Callings, talks in church, cleaning the church, etc… you name it, if it’s asks of you, you don’t question, you just DO. I didn’t care. I said no anyway and constantly got into trouble for it.
And the priming to believe nonsense.
100% this, I was born and raised in the church, and was led to believe that bishops were personal representatives of the Lord. I was in an abusive relationship, And went and saw my bishop for council, my intention was to find him my boyfriend at the time, a new place to live, regardless he said, because we were having sex outside of marriage there was contention in the relationship. If we got married, the contention and blessings would be poured out upon us. We were married and sealed in the temple a year later. Needless to say the abuse lasted for 17 years before I was able to get out. I am so sorry to be one of those that believed in the church hook line and sinker. Thanks for listening to my rant lol.
I am so very sorry for what has happened to you. I can totally feel & understand what you are
going thru. One of my bishops I had throughout the years completely attacked me right there in
his office. I have had dispecable encounters.
I must have looked vulnerable I don't know.
It was deplorable!!
Still working on all of it.
Bless you 🩷
Exactly!! A fantastic book on this horrific phenomenon is called "Fraudulent Authority". People in churches are taught to NOT trust themselves and to let any elders, pastors or leaders to have all control. This IS ABUSE!!! 😢
And, it's what happened to me in my last marriage. Stripped me of my autonomy, self respect and self esteem. The last 5 years I've had to rebuild who I am because I was almost completely erased.
I kinda love the fact that Jodi must go absolutely mental about John putting out one podcast after another, exposing what a truly evil, manipulative and distorted sadist she is (hopefully her lawyers tell her that her niece and former clients are giving interviews). She must have despised John and @mormonstories before, for being "anti mormon". So he being the one who exposes her despicable behavior, must anger her so badly.
Is it terrible I relish the idea of her going absolutely mad over the exposure and her beloved church abandoning her to save their own skin?
And using a picture from prison! I hope the women in prison know what she’s done. She’s a sociopath!
@@debfox To be honest, I am rather worried about what she will do to her prison inmates. Jodi has been doing her sadistic "therapy" for far too long to just stop now. She'd have started on other women in that prison already, I'm afraid.
@@gaiagreen2690this worries me too. I’m sure there’s lots of Mormon women in the Utah prisons. They could become easy prey.
@@AndImsomelady Exactly... And in case the scarcity of mormon victims becomes very strong, Jodi will definitely spread her tentacles further. She'll start converting non-mormon women and making them into her "patients," i.e. victims. Narcississtic fanatics like her cannot stop, because their entire personality and self worth are tied to having power over other people and their lives. And knowing what an experienced master manipulator she is, many aroung her might start believing in that "distortion" garbage.
I love Brian’s honesty, being out of the church for 15yrs now I still find it a difficult subject to speak on.
Undoing the churches brainwashing is such a mind curling experience. The bguilt, the anger at the manipulation.
I was naive, we are taught to believe without question and learning you’re surrounded by liars is such a hard lesson to learn.
My little family is Just another family destroyed in the name of the church.
My first husband was Mormon and I could never measure up to his ideal of a perfect Mormon wife. That life was so unbelievably suffocating, trying to be what my ex husband wanted me to be and never quite getting it right.
My husband now is amazing, he’s not religious. He loves me for me with no judgement , and that’s the greatest gift he could ever give me.
Life is so much better after leaving, I don’t live a life of internal chaos.
My younger sister is only a year out and she has so much anger towards the church now, yet she’s never felt the inner peace she does now.
May I suggest the peace that passes understanding In the fact that the Mormon church is a cult. Jesus Christ is completely distorted in that “ religion”. If you read the Holy Bible only, and ask God for truth, you will find a life free of guilt when you ask Jesus to forgive your sins ( because every single solitary person sins all the time! ) and ask Him to guide you and to enter into your heart and life. For it is by grace ( not Mormon version of grace) we are saved thru faith not by works ( following man’s rules or working our way to heaven) but it is the free gift of God, lest any man should boast. I feel so very sorry for people who live under the guilt and lies of the Mormon church.
The most terrifying thing to hear was when Brian said the Bishop told his wife the kids would end up with her in the next life. In my mind that’s how kids get killed. Made me immediately think of Lori Daybell. If the wife is thinking the longer the kids are on earth the more opportunity satan has to get to them I can absolutely see someone deciding death is better. These are really scary things!! And I hope the church is paying attention to these “dark soul” type Mormons!!
Good point!
Exactly. With the skewed thinking they have, it could be likely.
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Besides, don’t the kids become adults and have their own families which is why they want to get married in the temple. Oops, parents. You are now grandparents and the kids have their own families they want to be forever; oops, here we go again. Someone wake up!
"talking to grandma and grandpa unauthorized" is a hell of a sentence. i can't imagine being one of those kids
I think it was more about them not having a phone or media access. Phones are computers now a days. Kids get so involved with social and alot of bad things, including bullying. The grand parents snuck around that. As a parent I would be upset. But I wouldn't have blamed the kids. Wow phone!!! Thanks Grandpa!!! The GPs should have talked to the parents tell them they would like to talk to the grand kids more often. Can we give them phones?? We can put parental controls or phone calls only. We can schedule times to talk?? There were many ways without sneaking around. Needless to say Jodi's resolution was extremely harsh and borderline sadistic. But this religion (i am not mormon) seems to go to extremes for compliance. Jodi trades on that for money, power and her own sadistic pleasure.
@@TheAislynnRoseBut, why did the grandparents feel the need to secretly give them a phone? I'm guessing the grandchildren weren't able to talk to them freely.
@@TheAislynnRose Did you actually listen to this whole video? That's NOT it. The grandparents had to meet with Jodi to get HER approval to talk to their grandkids. Family alienation and isolation is what Jodi did. It was her pattern.
I didn’t expect I was going to listen to this entire interview but it was amazing. Much love to this man and his kids that he saved from his same fate ❤
Same! What an amazing/fascinating interview! It flew by! Couldn’t believe that I was at the end already!
I almost ever watch such long videos. Brian's story is a rare exception. Thank you, Brian and John.
@@joools1953 agreed! His ability to tell a story, still be empathetic with his ex, and still have hope for the future is wonderful .
Don't forget, her sentencing hearing is on the 20th of this month. We all need to pray that the judge does the best he can and is allowed by law to give her exactly what she deserves! She needs to be somewhere she can no longer cause damage to another person, especially a child's life!
Amen to that. I’m so worried that they’ll give 6-10 years tops. Jodi won’t stop. She absolutely doesn’t see anything wrong with her ways, she thinks she’s working FOR God himself. Ironic she is the most distorted one of all. The poster child of distortion just not in the way she wanted.
6-10 years for felony child abuse I don't think so lol
@@buddhabunnee I’d never have thought that either but I’ve heard prosecutors on YT say things of that sort after their plea agreements. I hope they get DECADES. Truly some of the most horrifying things I’ve ever heard.
Jodi's nibling Jesse said they had talked to the judge or someone from the court, and they said it was pretty likely for Jodi to get the maximum sentence 🤞
@@elisa-beary she will more than likely get 60 years
She fleeced the family out of 30k. Wow! She deserves suing as she didn’t even provide the therapy charged for! She lived in a mansion while the poor people she indoctrinated lost their savings, this is really like out of a movie! Jodi is the first really malicious example I have encountered of a hateful misandrist. That must be what it looks like when a woman hates men so much. As a woman I could never fathom separate a good present male parent from their kids and take on his role. Disgraceful.
I hope the Franke children get a huge settlement from Jodi, and if there is any left over, I hope that will go to the law suits that she would most definitely lose. I sure hope a lot of victims will come forward and sue because she has so much money and assets.
Yes!
Don’t forget the church also paid her ❤
Good on you for what you wrote!
I‘m a man, and have encountered a number of misandrists - which was at times truly disturbing. Also because then, this „wasn’t a thing“. No one would question- let alone CONDEMN a female for engaging in misandry.
Here one of the lesser terrible experiences I made:
I was once in an odd controversial discussion with this girl at a party. I did listen to her, did not agree with what she said and offered an alternative take while sticking with the facts - meaning that as far as I was concerned, not only wasn’t I being personal - I actually offered her solid information in hopes she may change her take on things.
But no matter how rational I was debating, she kept being oddly antagonistic. By the way - the topic didn’t even have anything to do with women or men.
But I tried to understand where her antagonism was coming from - and the thought crept up on me that she was being antagonistic with ME - just because I WAS A MAN!
So I completely went off-topic and bluntly asked her: „Do you hate all men?“ To which she (and I give her credit for that!) simply replied: „Yes.“
It’s hard to understand for others, I guess - but to me, this was a kind of touching situation - because (at least that’s how I view it) it gave her the chance to reflect on her situation - and her motivations.
I think she probably has a backstory that may explain how she became a misandrist. Doesn’t make it right. But I still viewed her as a human being.
However - everyone else at the party, who had witnessed our exchange was just SHOCKED - mainly at me, for being so blunt lol.
Another misandrist, by the way is that psychologist from the Amber Heard v Jonny Depp trial. I forgot her name - but she was INSUFFERABLE!
@@taxiuniversum Go back to whatever red pill rock you climbed out from.
Mormon profits/seers/revelators have been ruining Mormon marriages since the 1840's. Jodi just found her niche.
😂
I love it LOL, did you really meant to write "mormon profits" or it just came out like that?
Exactly.
They need to stop reading The Book of Mormons. Joseph Smith is dead and gone. God is exposing the Mormon Church for what it is. The more control they have over the people, the more money. We have Mormon Churches here in Hawaii. Polynesian Cultural Center and BYU big money. They somehow were able to brainwash the Hawaiians.
The LDS Church recommended Jodi Hildebrant as a therapist to lots of people. Could people whose lives have been negatively affected by her therapy (like the Franke children) civilly sue the LDS Church?
They should dang well try. Idk if they would win in Utah, but maybe CA or AZ
Maybe a class action suit?
They should.
Seems like all class action suits make fortunes for lawyers and pennies for the victims.@@Sentientdreamer
They should however mormons tend to be very private so I doubt they would want to go public with it.
I really appreciate how sympathetically Brain speaks about his former wife, even when he has every right to be resentful of her. It really speaks to his emotional maturity and how much growth he's experienced since leaving.
I wish the man-child I just divorced would lose the child portion of his description. Our children are grown, but he took my service dog I trained with my own two hands from the time she turned ten days old. She's not just a dog, she's an actual extension of me that he stole. It's the ONE THING I cannot get over or past. Like a child, I would give my life for her. She belongs to me. Sucker, may the powers that be, be truthful with HIS LIFE. HE'S "THE" DR. JECKLE & MR. HYDE. THE LATTER MAKING THE RAREST OF APPEARANCES.
Great episode, thank you both. Brian thank you for sharing and being vulnerable, former Bishop here, left seven years ago. My ex-wife wouldn't even allow "doubt" conversations I feel you but Jodi took you to another level of heartache and unfortunate circumstances. I went through a suicidal time as well as the harm that is caused by the "doctrine" that has been taught and individuals like Jodi are literally evil. In the last days good will be called evil and evil will be called good. Guess what? The "good" church is evil. A wolf in sheep's clothing. Thank you, John, and Mormon Stories keep shining a light on the darkness.
Well said.
Mormon Stories continues to knock it out of the ballpark with these amazing interviews! I am a never Mormon but am almost addicted to this channel 😁. I learn so much
Same!
Me too. I'm hooked. I love these podcasts!!!
Me too! At this point I could give a 2 hour tedtalk about the history of the Mormon church and the current crime wave of fundamentalist prepper doomsday Mormons and how it’s all related. 😂
Every interview in the Jodi Saga has been phenomenal in this series. Jessi H, Adam S and Brian T's interviews have been so eye opening.
I don't think that Jody Hildebrandt is the only "Mormon" therapist out there that use these techniques. I'm sure the church has a whole list of so called therapist that bishops refer members to.
I wouldn't say they are as extreme as Jodi, but yes. I even told my sister to go to a regular marriage counselor because it's impossible for these church sanctioned ones to be unbiased when they have an agenda to push.
Oh no. An alarming number of the male ones have been charged with all kinds of SA. Not all, but good grief.
@chrispierce9699 - you know it! Keep the members ‘sick’ and paying for services, which will kick back to LDS in the form of fat tithes from the therapists massive revenue. Then LDS can buy more real estate oops I mean save more souls 🙄
I was recommended a therapist. Her philosophy is to beat me to my emotional core and build on that. I thought I was already at rock bottom. Nope, not after she attacked my character and my already emotional anguish. I cried and cried when I left.her office and never went back
@heatherpeterson6426 Good for you for leaving. I had a similar experience when I had a therapist in the military. Her angle was to shame me for leaving in attempts to draw me back, but the final straw came when she basically condoned my father's abuse because he was a good (Mormon) man. Her office was cleared out by my next appointment.
Wow, just wow. Greatly appreciate Brian discussing his Morman life…again, wow. As a non-Morman, it is just so fantastical listening to how the church keeps track of its members through burrowing into their minds through mind control. This conversation added more nuance to the Lori and Chad Daybell saga. So glad Brian came through it all in the end. Mind control is real.
I really empathized with this story a lot. I grew up in the far north of Utah, and my family is from southern Idaho (declo, burly, blackfoot, etc). I grew up around Benson Mormons. I also had a bad experience with my mission leader abusively shaming me. I also had the "what if this is all bullshit" moment. I also thought it was necessary to hide that revelation. I went on my mission and all through BYU while keeping my feelings a secret. I can see why you would feel like you had no way out of that situation.
I feel this Mormon story more than a lot of them.
The Benson bunch really take things hard core, authoritarian style.
You’d think it was a huge red flag that ALL of Jodi’s couples who sought counseling ended in divorce. Like, we’re there any successes where the couples stayed together? Doesn’t seem that way. Yet the church still kept recommending her. Insanity.
Because Jodi had a degree in psychology and she was dealing with vulnerable people who were already used to being manipulated by the church already. She convinced the couples that the husbands had a non-existent addiction. Then, Jodi's methods would magically cure the addiction that didn't actually exist... OR she'd convince the wives to divorce and make them think they were so much better off separated/divorce. The cured addicts and the single mothers told the church leaders how much Jodi had helped them. And, of course, Jodi never missed an opportunity to praise herself.
My instincts tell me there is something hidden behind this choice the church made and keeping her instead of using another psychologist. A dark secret maybe connected to child abuse.
We're holding on so far, but no thanks to Jodi. Thanks to the prayers and fasting of family members. But I still don't know if we're going to remain married. She told my husband that he needed to leave his family.
@@B_BodziakJodi doesn't even actually have a degree in psychology. From another researcher I heard she only has a master's. But yet she told the police when they interviewed her that she was a psychologist.
There’s a story told by Ruby Franke’s husband Kevin in his second police interview so who knows if it’s true, but according to Kevin there was a couple in Jodi’s Connexions class who she moved in with temporarily. Apparently Jodi claimed she was under siege in her own house by ‘evil spirits’ and needed a place to crash and the Franke’s convinces this couple to take her in. But she was only there for a short time before they asked her to leave first inappropriate behaviour and that’s why the Franke’s allowed her to live with them.
It’s mind blowing to think of not just how many families Jodi destroyed, but how many families allowed it.
And paid her to do it!
I really appreciate Brian’s in depth history that he shared so openly, and John’s questions were perfect throughout. This is the best interview I’ve seen/heard in a long time. Thank you so much!
I am not a former Mormon. The only contact I have with the church is that I have talked with a couple missionaries in my life. However, I have always been fascinated by the mass deception that the Mormon religion has foisted upon so many. Back in the 70's I ordered and read most of Sandra Tanner's book. Again, I did this because I was so amazed by the manipulation involved in this religion. I just want to express my deep regard for you, Bill Reed and RFM. You guys are amazing and I have been watching your channels almost non-stop for the past 4 months. As soon as I am able, I plan to support you monthly.
Same!
Ditto!
Same…
What do Bill Reed and RFM have to do with this video?
Mormonism is so thoroughly American and yet so utterly foreign to a never mo
Brian is one of the most interesting speakers I’ve listened to in a long time. I appreciate John not interrupting constantly, as so many interviewers do
I'm not a psychologist, but Jodie seems to get off on being able to control other people. Almost sadistic.
A total control freak!!
“almost” lol
Is*
No, she is full-blown sadistic.
Yeah, she has characteristics of a cult leader to me.
Brian - so glad that your own search for truth liberated your kids from an oppressive organization and ultimately protected them from Jodi. Good Papa!!
I completely love this interview! It is so important to hear that when someone has such a strength of convictions in the church, and then their truth seeking heart and mind realizes the truth about the LDS church being chock full of lies and half truths….(and that is me being gentle in my wording about the lies)
From what i understand the bishops would refer the members to Jodi. To me that means that the church ruined your marriage by sending you to her. It was the church's responsibility to know her technique for helping. I think the church should be sued for putting the members through the sessions. Shame on the church leaders.
The church has members that are therapists agree to teach all patients under the churches rules....
I was raised in a strict penecostal church. My grandma died when i was 12 and my family quit going. I can see many similarities and im so glad we stopped going. I remember them trying to force me to feel a spirit and feeling like a failure because i didn't
Jodi is pure evil!! So sad to hear another marriage that didn't make it due to her craziness!! Hope she rots in prison!
Is it a law suit to recover the money that this charlatan criminal stolen from the victims???
Jody Hildebrand was living wealthy from reaping ppl.
This was a cathartic podcast. Thanks for the warm feelings. Please don’t ever stop.
Jodi sounds like she destroyed many marriages. Luckily, when I quit going to the Mormon church, my husband quit going to the Mormon church within a year. My husband never gave me a hard time about quitting going to the Mormon church.
Brave man for sharing his story ,,it cant be easy to come on and talk about his private life ,, hes a good man
Our Bishop in Lehi referred all couples to Jodi in 2007 (we were referred and didn’t go - just had an intake with a diff person.) One of the men in our ward shot and killed his wife in Jan 2008 in our church parking lot (they were going through a divorce). I’ve recently wondered if they had been seeing Jodi. Some of what I remember about that situation makes me think it was a strong possibility. This woman is a monster.
Did the husband then unalive himself? What town was this in?
@@NonaMlouHe didn't. And it was in Lehi as she said.
You should report that to the authorities
What is a Bishop's position in the Mormon Church.
@@ainokea911 A Bishop is a male member of the LDS church who is appointed to oversee a ward. They keep their day job which could be anything. They usually do it for about five years and then the church authorities pick someone else. So they have a lot of responsibility for helping the members and making sure they stay on the straight and narrow, but since they are just "a guy" from the neighborhood, some of them are better qualified than others.
I absolutely love this Mormon story. I love that Jon just lets the interviewee talk and tell their story and doesn’t do a whole lot of interrupting. I think Jon is a great interviewer. Thank you so much for great content.💜
And especially the way he gives the interviewee the option of not answering each question or not.
I grew up in a very orthodox LDS family in AZ and I’ve never heard of all these crazy side stories of Mormonism beliefs before last year until most of my family started their journeys out of the church. I’ve been inactive since 2012 but last year started me down a rabbit hole. What on earth.. Utah/Idaho Mormons are a different breed 😂
Lori Vallow and her groupies were out of AZ
I think it’s the SNAKE RIVER!!!
N OT THE ARE WORST, A LADY FOR HER BELIEVE, SEND TO KILL HER HUSBAND,2 CHILDRENS, THE WIFE OF HER LOVER , AND STILL CLAIM THAT THE 2 CHILDRENS CAME TO HER AND TOLD HER THAT SHE DIDN'T DO WRONG.
Yes it seems they don’t follow the same beliefs as Mormons in other states
Everyone who's been unfortunate enough to have an experience with Jodi tells a similar story. A clearer and clearer picture is forming of the kind of person she is, and it's frightening.
Incredible.....each story here is wilder than the last.........and I was a member for 10 years long ago. Happy for you Brian!!!
This conversation is such an incredible revelation of the insanity when people get so wrapped up in religion!
Mind blowing!!!
I’m just so happy this is all being exposed. May it bring down the Mormon church.
Hear! Hear! Except not church-cult.
One would hope.
@@justkiddin84was just about to say “Hear! Hear!” As well!!!!
Wow! This is so crazy. All the "spiritual" confirmations of his darkness remind me of when I was sleeping soundly in my bed and my Mom swears she didn't see me. I told her I didn't sneak out that night which I often did but not that night. She prayed about it and God told her I was lying. Also when I was on a Mormon mission this lady accused a member of the wife of the family we were living with of stealing her wedding ring. This lady accused her after praying about it. She then found her ring and accused her of breaking into her house to put it back. The insanity of this is mind-blowing. So many more stories.
@courtneyko1466 Hysterical!! My dad works this way… the spirit tells him things. Then when he’s proving wrong he accuses people of sneaking into wherever and putting those things back… just crazy town 😂😂😂
Sounds like dementia; neuro-degenerative disease 🧠
Reading both of these stories made my brain hurt. Zero logic. Like what? Lmao! People are WILD!
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My jaw dropped when you said your band's name. Outside the Lines was my favorite album in high school but i must have blocked out that time of my life because i totally forgot Colors ever existed. I paused this 10 min in to go listen to the album and comment. I especially can't wait to hear the rest of this episode now!
I was born in Italy and didn’t know anything about the Mormons until… oh, well into adulthood. And you know, the Catholic faith (which I left behind long ago) has its share of wild tales, but when I learned the Joseph Smith story I did a double take. Gold plates? Disappearing gold plates nobody saw? Read through a HAT with a STONE in it? And this happened WHEN? You know, sometimes you suspect that the prophets and saints and originators of your religion might have been not totally honest, or mad, or at least suffering from frontal lobe epilepsy - but good Heavens, Joseph Smith was something else.
IMO, JS had narcissistic tendencies and
was really good at spinning tall tales from a young age. Essentially a liar with a huge sexual appetite.
No different than ALL other power hungry cult leaders over the centuries.
They give them MONEY! Brainwashed and care for materially. Sheep.
Did you miss the Angel Maroni and the salamander? How about the mummy case which he said had the Mormon religion written in "New Egyptian?". Egyptologists
Say the hieroglyphics are ordinary Egyptian which is written on mummy cases to send the occupant off to heaven.
Joseph Smith is the prophet of the restitution of all things, spoken of by all the holy prophets, but tares were planted and the Mason's killed Joseph, Hyrum, Don Carlos and Sam Smith and then took his marvelous work and a wonder to get members to come to them. The stones are called the urim and Thummim and they are a physical means of being able to translate ancient records.
Also pertaining to the gold plates, Dr. Sammi Hannah was my dad's client and he was asked to translate them from English into Egyptian. The Book of Mormon is an authentic record of the time when the Hebrew's, the Egyptian's, the Greeks had an alliance and used reformed Egyptian. Sammi Hannah said that the Book of Mormon is Egyptian and it makes for horrible English. Because Joseph Smith translated the Egyptian word for word into English using the urim and Thummim. But to see the words light up, he had to use a hat for a dark background. Those weren't just stones. Read the Bible about what the urim and Thummim was.
You are saving so many lives with your work.
You are a BRAVE person, Brian... Huge kudos for getting out and I am so pleased you are living your best life now! Thank you for sharing! ♥
Love this channel - and you are such an insightful, compassionate interviewer, John... kudos to you, too!
♥
Just wanted to say that this is one of the most incredible stories I've ever heard.
Gullibility among Mormons is nothing new. However, this goes into insanity. I feel really bad for Brian, and am happy to hear that he seems to be doing better now.
All active Mormons should watch this episode and start asking themselves very deep questions about their own faith.
Watching it while it's up! Glad i watched Adam's interview while it was up! They can make you pull them down, but they can't make us un-hear the truth! Thank you for for all you do! ❤
Brian you are so brave to speak so openly about such personal things in service to others. I think it’s important to hear stories such as yours. Objectively it’s hard for many people to comprehend how such awful things can occur. Awareness is paramount as a prevention. I hope you and all your family find happyness x
I hope she gets 60 years! The trauma she put on so many people! If there’s a hell she’s going straight there! These type of people make their victims feel crazy and guilty!
There's no Hell but it's all Karma my friend as now she will reap whatever she sowed 😮
I bet she'll get 5-10 years
@rainingopals1439 Every commentator I heard on this case said they will get between 4 and 15 years, because that's how the laws in Utha are for what they are accused of. I only hope they get a long enough sentence for the youngest children to have become legal adults and landed on their own two feet. Just so they can finally grow up and process knowing they're safe from those two hags.
I’d say 60 years no parole. She’s 54, that’s middle aged and let’s say she has another 30 more years. She probably may pull this BS on the inmates there.
This is bonkers! Mormons now believing in mediums. Run from these missionaries getting people recruited.
Mediums are so dangerous for ultra orthodox Mormons. They eat that shit for breakfast.
You’ve got this branch of members who are over the top kooks. Then the ones who would never be okay with seeing a medium or discussing spiritual wifery. Both see each other as “not getting it right” but both are manipulated by the same church!
“Now?” No, all along.
Rushed to watch this one before big brother has it mysteriously ordered off of UA-cam (Halfway kidding.)
Thank you for sharing, Brian! 👏🙏🏻
Oh my gosh I loved colors I still have every album. I am a Davis graduate and am so happy to see someone I know on Mormon stories.
Parental Alienation is so hurtful!
As a wife, if my husband came to me and told me something that was so deeply honest, I would value that. It should have been an opportunity to bring them closer together. That is sad.
That could have been a powerfully intimate moment. But it was lost.
This is horrific. Incredible interview. But so terrifying. Brian, thank you for sharing your story. John, thank you for creating this space.
Thanks for sharing. So happy to hear that the inquisitive mind can break free AND understand the lifetime manipulation of the cult. Once again, we learn that the church and Hildebrand worked together to harm families and children.
It’s so uplifting to know that human spirit has this will to overcome abuse, nonsense, lies, diversities. This man is an example of it.
It seems like Jodi knew which women were so indoctrinated and naive that she could manipulate them.
If they were referred by bishops, they probably weren't hard to find.
Yep, the Brethren sent her a steady supply of easy victims.😢😡
Predators of all stripes have that knack. They can just smell it from a mile away.
What Jody did to these peoples lives take over their families get rid of the husband and then steal. Their money is so evil. I can’t believe she could live with herself
Idk it seems like the men are pretty weak and ready to date. Glad this guy got it together but it’s just as disturbing to me that so many men accept not even talking to their kids. That’s insane. Not even Jesus himself could get between me and my kids.
John, so proud of what you do and what you fight for. Loving 2024! Thank you to all those brave enough to participate, thank you to the Mormon stories team for all the hard work!
Wait, Jodi is accusing him of dishonesty, but she's advising his wife secretly.... to separate a loving father from his children, unless he goes back to living a lie. And his wife also engages mediums to seek after the dead, and values their approval over her husband's (Brian Regan is rarely bluer than a G rating, btw).... and she thinks she's the one following Christian doctrine ?
Exactly. Like many ‘fundamentalist’ groups-they lie completely about the teachings of Jesus. Cults create their own teachings to confuse and manipulate followers. Keep them tired, confused, isolated, and afraid. So they can do the Great Work, whatever flavor it is.
They told him he could have certain sex positions with his wife?! Like which ones???
Kudos to you for speaking out about the lies the LDS religion perpetuates ..
I am married to an inactive lds member and I try to show him these stories and how hypocritical the lds religion is.. so thank you for being vulnerable and speaking your truth❤️
Thank you so much for sharing your story Mr. Tibbets.
Thanks for sharing this story! I am so sad at the devastation Jodi left in her wake, and the fact she was so often referred to by LDS Church leaders is significant.
And they used her as a spy-don’t ever forget that, folks. Spies are a big tool for cults.
Kudos to Brian for being so incredibly forthright.
FABULOUS INTERVIEW ❤❤❤❤❤ Love his story - vulnerability and honesty !!!
Thank you for your story. I think it’s awesome that you have found happiness. You certainly deserve it.
What an enlightening and well-done interview! Both of you seem like good & decent humans, thank you for making and sharing this remarkable life story, and thanks for framing and clarifying all the little things for the people unfamiliar with the Mormon church
Whoa! I LOVED Colors! What a throwback! Thank you Brian, for sharing your story!!!
Thanks for coming on and sharing your story, Brian. I was lucky enough to see Adam's episode before it had to be taken down, and there is an obvious pattern here in what Jodi was doing to families. She really wants to paint these men as predators. When Brian said that his ex-wife said he r*ped his children, I was just like gobsmacked. What an outrageous and horrible thing to falsely accuse someone of doing. I think this is made especially worse when it's being made in a culture where there is a lot of real child abuse that the Church is systematically covering up. It was interesting to me that they found Jodi in a faith crisis. I'm a never-Mormon and I didn't really think about situations where one spouse loses their faith and the other does not. I guess because in moderate religious circles, like how I grew up, it would not be a big deal. Brian, I think it's really commendable that you recognize and take responsibility here for the ways that you harmed your kids. A lot of parents refuse to do that and it's really damaging. I appreciate that you didn't try to make an excuse for your part in everything.
If anyone lives in Utah and goes to Addo Recovery for marriage counseling which we did for over 2 years, their therapists are VERY much like Jodi and Addo is where marriages go to die!
I think there’s a connection to these therapists in purposefully destroying lives from within
It's the addiction that is the basic reason why marriages go to die, but it doesn't help when the therapist tells them they need to leave their families!
@@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 there’s no such thing as addiction, of natural urges the body has. Substance addiction is a thought condition but not what some religious people call addiction
@@jhojhoane : There is such thing as addiction. You need to repent and yield your natural man tendencies to God, so you can move out of this primitive world into a greater kingdom of salvation!
@@Wh3nth3wick3drul3 get out of the cult
Parental alienation is such scary phrase in America. We see cases like this, but we also see abusers crying alienation and getting forced access to their kids..... there's got to be a better way to check and keep kids with or away from parents appropriately
That was one of the best pod cast I have seen in a long time. He told that story so well. Thank you
I shy away from these 2+ hour interviews because of the length, but so totally enjoyed this guy’s story that at the end I wished it would continue.
At times I was angry listening to what this guy went through, but so happy he persevered and is free of the cult and crazy people like Jodi. Happily married and everyone of his children free from the cult - he is in a good place now.
Thanks for sharing your story Brian.
Jeeze, the Visions of Glory crowd is not ok.
Seems like terrible nonsense is afoot whenever it enters the picture.
How does the church support Jody so much when she had a failed marriage? How did clients think she was such an authority? I’m just confused on how she gained the trust of so many?
Easy. $$$$
Brainwashing control
One of the most powerful manipulative doctrines of the church, which people like Jodi can take advantage of, is the whole concept of the eternal family and eternal marriage. It creates such a deep fear that we will lose the persons we love the most for all eternity. And also our place in the highest level of that eternity. You will basically be lonely and miserable forever.
What a horror story this episode. Kudos to Brian for vulnerably speaking so open about it!
Excellent podcast. I appreciate Brian's vulnerability and candor. I'm new to this channel and I'm fascinated by your guest's experiences. I tuned in to better understand how the LDS church doctrine affects its members. Those who are deeply engrossed in the Mormon faith need our compassion and support, especially when/if they finally leave the LDS church. Thank you for your content.
What people aren't realizing is that Jodi is a symptom of a much bigger problem with in the Morman Church orbit. There are many others just like her, she might be worse than others, possibly the worst, but that doesn't mean there aren't others. Purity culture in therapy is a potentially lethal combination that is distroying teens and adults. The prefection culture and purity culture is an impossible standard and when that is mixed in with threapy where you're seeking validation and comfort and your told to meet these imposible standards and shamed for imperfection. Idk how this still exists in the magnitude it is today.
Amen, I am Catholic but my Gran would send me these mormon magazines which I lapped up. It prevented me from even acknowledging to myself that I was gay and the effects on my life where devastating. Trying to be straight when you are not is exhausting and will eventually lead to a break down. And I broke. Took years to heal.
I love it when he says his new life has been built on HONESTY! I absolutely love it !
Great illustration of the danger of Pascal's wager. I had never thought through how far it could go. There is no value in living lies you don't believe in. Thank you for sharing.
As a Christian, this sounds all upsidedown and sideways 😬 I really feel for anyone who wasnt encouraged to ask real questions and who were told to declare or testify to something they felt unsure about. How inauthentic can you get? It makes me sad to hear about it. He is such a deep thinker and sounds like he really values integrity. Praying that he contiues to find what is real and true as he lets go of what had been manipulative and deceiving.
You seem kind hearted and well intentioned by your comment. I don’t think your religion made you that way, I think that’s you. Much love.
@@TheBitPunch You are right about this person. But you miss the point that cults like this turn the actual message upside-down. Jesus gave one commandment-Love One Another. Jesus tore the temple money men down. Said that a rich man has no chance of getting into heaven.
These Christian cults say the opposite, teach, and do the opposite.
@@justkiddin84 I didn’t really miss the point, i was just trying to focus on where we agree. I don’t think being a Christian warrants any moral superiority. I agree with the rest of it. Much love.
@@justkiddin84all religion is a cult
have never before really understood jodi H's scam. LDS church needs to make victim restitution.
Great episode! Hopefully you can get more of Jody’s past clients to come on. Brian told his story well.
In a round about way Brian made it so I met my now husband. Met him after a Colors concert at CEU, now it’s called USU-Eastern.
A powerful testimony. Thanks for sharing Brian! I also lost my first wife to a cult, different tho, but I went thru it and now have an awesome life on the other side of that.
The opening part where he talks to bishops and friends about masturbation is such a telling story. Something so normal, and even healthy is considered so taboo they won't even define it.
It struck me when John talks about healthy therapy, the therapist is there to help with the client's goals. The therapist whom I had on my mission was there only to reinforce the goals of the church and the mission president. What my goals were or what was actually best for me was not to be considered at all. Of course at the time I didn't realize it, but looking back, I realize it now.
Omg!!! He secretly drank coffee!!! He made low alcohol beer!!! 😂😂😂
Sacrilege!!
Straight to jail!!!
@@CyeOutsider 🤣🤣🤣
@@ScarlettKay494 🤣🤣🤣
@@ScarlettKay494Mind jail is a good way to think of it.
Ex-lamanite. Just visited Burley Idaho. I found it to be freakishly Mormon. Almost like another dimension.
That was an amazing interview! Brian should write a book.
Re: asking questions… my brother-in-law is a Greek Orthodox priest and he encourages everyone to ask questions. It’s what he was taught to do in seminary. Asking questions and talking about answers is how we grow in this world. Anyone who says “don’t ask questions” is trying to keep you from finding something.
This is beyond diabolical. The destruction of families and the children. For what??? Money and control? To what end? I'm sitting here wondering how many more are doing this that the light has not yet uncovered? What if that poor little angel had not been able to escape.
The fact that they both plead guilty will prevent us knowing the whole truth of this wickedness. I guess for that, I'm somewhat grateful.
Despicable
Wow, I didn't realize the interview with Adam Steed had to be taken down. That was a very informative interview and I really hope you can get that back up on UA-cam.
John did a live about it and if I remember correctly he got a cease and decist don't know if it was from the church tribe or from Jodi
Luckily, I watched it!! God Bless everyone!!
Hope he can appeal and put it back up
@@jo.randallFrom Jodi
Such a good interview - thank you so much ❤
This is a really well done interview. Brian's story is very engaging, and your follow up questions provide a cogent narrative.