We first bought a mono, because we thought true sailing comes from a classic sailing vessel gracefully gliding through the water at a sexy 20° lean. After a year of that nonsense we gathered our kids and our pride and bought us a condo...I mean a catamaran. :-) We’d never go back. But then again, there are six of us on board. Mono’s could be fine for a young agile couple who doesn’t mind things sliding off tables. PS - We Love, subscribe and watch both your channels regularly! 😘 Cheers! The Z-Crew
Sailing Zatara All I can say is that I truly loved your journey from a monohull to a catamaran and I’m very excited to see what Nick and Theresa will choose.
I've been binge watching Z-Crew for about a week now. If you want someone who has experience with both types of boat, they are definitely a good place to start.
Zatara keith youre a legend. And i like youre new cat a lot. The only thing is you bought a bendytoy before. No wonder.. Had that been a tayana 58 foot yacht or oyster or hinkley,swan etc they are not a toy i am sure you would have a better view. But even 58 is too small for a family as large as youres.. You would have needed a 80 footer to come close to youre 60 foot cat. Like a swan or a boat like lattitude 38 used to own a 78 foot i forget the maker but it was called big o. I would love to own big o. I read a aticle they were in heavy weather and boat was under such controll they have mever felt so comvortable and safe. They have a 78 foot catamaran since big o and say big o was the real deal. Still i like youre cat but in 90 knots give me big o. Yes i have been in 90 knots more than once.
@@helmshardover back then the weather info was not like it is now. Think queensday storm and sydney hobart disaster both of these were bombs out of season and not predicted. Queensday was pre internet .both can happen again even with internet The south pacific can be a very dangerouse place.
Mine wanted to do something I didn't, I said there's the door have a good time, Divorce final I took it all, but my headaches are gone and my health has improved the kids are all grown and out now, and my boat will be finished for the winter season LOL.
i'm " in the same boat " as you guys at 65 and the rockstars of the cruising world SLV for sure prefer their Outremer over a monohull - be interesting to see what Brian on Delos decides to do when their baby arrives - Gunboat cats look amazing but so expensive - be safe Jason and Nikki
Barry Perrins (Adventures of an Old Sea Dog channel) has got to be in his sixties, and he cruises the world solo! Incidentally, if I had to guess, I'd say he has less than 1/20th the budget of these guys. However, as Barry himself emphasises, you have to be in good health to solo cruise whatever age you are. Also, he often chooses to sail more gently and slowly than conditions would allow in order to keep his workload at manageable levels.
...Really enjoyed watching these two videos. My wife and I just sold our house (and everything else too), bought a Leopard 42, and will be following in the Wynns’ wake. We too went thru the Mono vs Cat debate. So far, we’re really happy with our choice.
Excellent work, guys! It was tragically ironic that just last week, a cruising cat flipped off the coast of New South Wales, resulting in fatalities. A poignant reminder to sail conservatively, I guess. Cheers.
@@davidturner8301 The media showed a brief glimpse of the overturned cat and, to me, it looked like maybe the genoa and main had been deployed at the time of the capsize. Winds were reportedly around 35 knots on that day. South-westerly, from memory, and the boat was sailing northbound, so perhaps the ugly following seas that Nick and Jason mentioned were partly to blame. Someone else may have better information than me though.
The cat appears to have been a Spirited 38 - which have flipped before so I don’t know if it’s a design issue but they have quite narrow hulls. Most cruising cars have more buoyancy forward. It’s hard to comment without knowing the details of course - terrible tragedy.
I noticed one item that you did not mention but was in the background of your video. I do believe you have much more area on a catamaran to mount solar panels than what is available on a monohull. This is a major comfort and safety issue as compared to what is available on a monohull.
"Buy the boat that is best for the area that you plan to sail in the next five years and can afford", this is the best answer to this stupid question I've ever heard, congrats Wynns and Ruby Rose on a great vid
As to the safety aspect, I heard the argument about Cats flipping and Monos sinking, then it goes on to state that a Mono will remain upright on the bottom, but a Cat will be upside down on the surface, I'd much rather be on top of the water than under it. Loved the discussion comparing the differences.
Great seeing you guys together 👍 I’ve watched every episode of Nick & Terysa’s Channel and because of them I found your channel! 🙏 still going through from start to current date guys, epic channels and inspired us to buy a sail boat and start planning retirement in 4 years, starting off in Greek islands and see where life takes us from there. Thank you so much guys for your hard work and inspiration 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍
Love the song of the roosters in the background. Agreeing with everything you all are saying. Nice to see 2 couples being friends. Thank you 4 sharing your adventures.
Thank you for mentioning Bumfuzzle, he was the first blogger I discovered, who just went around the world without a care, loved those adventures, so well written and way ahead of the times
Was pleased to hear the more apt comparison...a 43 cat vs a 53 to 64 mono. Then space, speed and comfort can be considered equal. I've always thought that sailing motion preference is the deciding factor. Personally , I prefer the power sailing aspect of a mono.. 55- 64 ft...cutting through water as opposed to a cats herky jerky motion...plus, the slamming of the bridge deck makes me mental. Great, unsolvable topic by these two wonderful couples..as usual.
I was a engineer for Bell Helicopter in Grand Prairie, Texas, I am not retired yet, but I am considering buying a Cat. At first I was worried for you but now glad to see you were taking sailing lessons. I enjoy watching both you and Sailing Zatara. Be safe and have fun
1 CORRECTION: Cats have more 'EMERGENCY MARINAS'. In an emergency a cat can beach at any sandy calm beach or near mangroves. Anywhere theres a bit of sand where the tide goes out. You’ll have around 4hrs a day to work on the issue. Note: Best to put something soft under the hulls, like air bags, or even old fenders (tie to the hulls). This is because as the tide goes out the cat may move from small waves and hit the sand repeatedly. Also note tides times and heights. FREE Antifouling - no haul out (save around $2000): Note: Be responsible. Always cleanup all mess (paint, oil, fibre glass etc). And a big drop sheet, no wind. Beach your cat (using some sort of cushioning), let the tide go out. Make sure u have a big drop sheet, and theres no wind to blow the old paint away. Use 1 motor or gen to run your sander. Sand when dry, Paint when dry. Its fine for the tide to come in and out, and do it bit by bit. This is how we did it when I was a kid. There wasn’t any ‘haul outs’. Even the keelers had to tie up to a rickety old small wharf and wait for the tide to go out. Now they have to have big machines and charge u lots of money. Just pls be responsible for ALL your mess, discard safely and environmentally correct. PS. For antifouling, chose a beach with no pple
When loading heavy stores on a mono hull from a dingy use the boom and a winch, easy and safe. Work smart not hard. Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser after years sailing Cats. Have to say Mono Hulls are my primary search simply because for the price for a 57' mono is still well below a 45' Cat. It's not about space but comfort at sea. Amel and the Beneteau 57 center cockpit with the enclosed helm are made for Heavy Seas and Comfort.
For comfort, center cockpit is the way to go. More space on deck, protection from following seas, less exposure to pitching movement. If I were building a vessel she would be center cockpit.
Great conversation, re fatigue on long passage the cruising catamaran is defiantly easier on the body than a monohull. The safety factors are fully associated with that. Thanks guys! Cheers Warren
Another great video. Someone mentioned below that at age 66 they would never own either one. I’m here to say we’re 65 and actively looking for our boat. The best advice you all gave was to buy for the moment and not forever. Thanks again!
In a serious ocean seaway, the quick righting moment of a catamaran and the noise of waves crashing under the bridge deck are NOT comfortable or it’s best features. A monohull in the same seaway might have as much motion, but it would be slower and much quieter. I like catamarans, but they have their faults.
With all of the utmost sincerity this has got to be one of the best series out there on this topic and not only boating but on why we do this adventuresome thing! This should be transcribes and printed in every sailing magazine in publish. First changing to sailing from rving for me and my wife is not an option, that said I’ve done time going fast on a Hobie 18 and a Schock Santana 20 as well as spending time on a Choy Lee 31. Sailing for me at my age and the fact that my better half physically isn’t strong enough to handle the sailing chores if something should happen to me (I ramble...sorry) is probably not an option, but we use our 5th wheel as much as possible (on number 3 and almost 20 year anniversary). However you four are perfectly spot on with this great conversation! Jason and Nikki I have followed you through the Rv days and one thing rings true...make those memories and do it often. Do it now a tent an A class a cat or mono. As you four have said...make a plan...devise the budget that works...stick to it as best possible (stuff happens) and do it! This life is the one you have and you absolutely must fill it with memories and never regrets. You four are fantastic. Thanks for sharing and fair winds.
Great conversation about risk management. Risk moves up and down. You manage the risk by implementing controls such as life jackets and life lines. Great conversation.
Regardless, I want a catamaran and I want to sail to these beautiful places ya’ll have shown in your videos. Some of your footage is mind blowing and it is hard to imagine seeing so many different species of fish, sea creatures, coral, and landscape with such beautiful colors, shapes, and design. A lot of your videos are more impressive than some documentaries I have seen on PBS, Arts and Entertainment, and the Discovery Channel. Thank you very much. GOD bless ya’ll and Happy Sailing.
Gone with the Wynns You are welcome, the love is well deserved. Stay safe, have fun, and keep on spreading love and the GOD given beauties of the world. Thank you.
I like both, currently have neither, but as an engineer, the safety factor easily goes to the monohull. Neither boat is "likely" to flip over. It would take a combination of extreme weather and user error, or a critical material failure which would be a construction flaw rather than a design flaw. However, a catamaran is MORE likely to flip over than a monohull. This is basic physics. First. A monohull weighs more which gives it more inertia to resist rotation. Secondly, heeling allows the monohull to disperse wind energy organically. Third, the keel creates a counter moment of inertia which ensures it will eventually right itself, or find some balance between o and 90 degrees. A catamaran does not have a keel, and is much lighter. It also doesn't heel in the wind. Heeling for a cat means having one wing out of the water. This also increases the surface area for the wind to hit. Unlike a monohull, this means that a cats wind energy exposure increases, or at best, is less significantly dispersed, than that of a monohull when healing. A monohull which starts heeling is likely to reduce further heeling with each degree. With a catamaran, the opposite is true. Catamaran cruisers have flipped, but so have monohulls. You only hear about the catamarans because that is game over for them. A monohull's righting moment mathematically guarantees that it's optimal state of potential energy is right side up. A catamaran's natural state of least potential energy is upside down. Proof in point, a monohull can right itself, but a catamaran which has capsized can never regain its intended state. If you plan on just staying along the coasts and avoiding hard weather, that's fine, but it's impossible to do so 100% of the time. Not sinking is a good advantage of the catamaran for sure. Though well built monohulls have 5+ water tight compartments. The odds of piercing multiple compartments is no more than piercing both hulls of a cat. Both circumstances warrant abandoning ship. In the cat case, this simply means using the cat as the life raft. Losing a keel? Seriously? If we're going to be that hypothetical, let's wonder if the catamaran explodes since it has two engines and thus is twice as likely to do so? We're not being fair with that one. Both boats have design risks due to trade offs. For example, catamarans are under far more sheer stresses due to having a large mass out of water. Upwards buoyancy forces coupled with downward wave forces makes a catamaran more likely to get ripped into pieces. Still, I don't think that is a realistic concern, but since we're talking theoretical situations...
Great balanced discussion. I’ve sailed the southern ocean in a cruising cat circumnavigating Australia so I feel your analysis was spot on. Couple of minor comments/additions: re: haul-out - you can beach a cat more easily. Re: Close hailed: our Seawind sails at 32° to wind (we also race it on Wednesdays). Re: heavy weather a negative is the “cat-walk” motion traversing waves and swell, but that is balanced by being much less susceptible to rolling at anchor. :). Craig. (SCARLETT)
These general discussions are very familiar from the camping world. Different kinds of kit all come with pros and cons and the key is matching yourself and your lifestyle into the best suited bit of kit. There is no “best”, but there is “best suited”.
There is a definitive answer, but you have to change the question a little. “Which is better FOR ME, a catamaran or monohull.” Same argument as car vs motorcycle.
Interesting. I think Nick was very patient. He clearly was thinking deeply about the various options and definitely considering the Pros and Cons, and didn't dismiss either option.
Another great video! Thanks for putting together the series. My take away: have a plan. A plan for what you want to do and how you intend on using the boat. Also, a plan for every component of sailing (i.e. MOB, anchoring, picking up mooring balls, docking, etc.) for the type of boat I eventually get. Again, thanks for a great and candid discussion.
You both have beautiful boats. But I truly love the woodwork and craftsmanship in Ruby Rose. A cat with that quality of interior would be the ultimate.
FYI, you can make a monohull unsinkable, just by enclosing foam in the bow, stern and a layer against the hull. Most are not because manufacturers want to maximize interior space. However a number of custom adventure monohulls are unsinkable. In addition, the engine redundancy argument goes out if you convert to diesel electric with a nice battery bank. Electric prime movers are so reliable, they out perform even two engines on a time to failure gauge. The issue is that the standards in the industry are designed for charter, which is short duration vacation sailing. For that you don't need all the additional things I'm mentioning because the boats are maintained, and almost never see heavy seas unless they are being delivered by a professional.
Great video great discussion two of my favorite all-time UA-camrs if I had to flip a coin to decide which one of y'all are like best I wouldn't do it I love both of y'all you're definitely true sailboat sailors
10:32 BINGO! The key is to prepare your multihull in the unlikely event of capsize so you can live in relative comfort until rescue. The Case for the Cruising Trimaran by Jim Brown has a full chapter devoted to that.
I enjoy both channels. I actually found yours, and then binge watched from the beginning of your boat adventure, when Ruby Rose showed their videos of visiting you. Thanks for the content, I get a lot of enjoyment out of watching.
It is more simple than you think. Cats get dis-masted in heavy weather more often than anything else because people don't reduce sail enough and forces are amplified by the wide platform. Mono-hulls act like an inflated punching bag with lead in the bottom, and right themselves quickly in heavy weather.
If you add a "Seakeeper stabilization gyro" to a monohull the advantage of the catamaran's stabile platform is equalized. Your monohull stops rolling. Their evaluation of the monohull was far from comprehensive. Just about all monohull hull thickness is significantly thicker and sturdier than a catamaran. At the start of a "knockdown", the sail of a monohull is spilling wind as the mast approaches water. This slows down the rate of the mast approaching the water. Afterwards, the heavy keel brings the monohull upright. A catamaran does not lean over spilling wind. It moves sideways to some extent until the wind is strong enough to lift one of the hulls. After that the wind gets under the catamaran and keeps lifting the catamaran until it's upside down. A catamaran on its side will not stay that way because the wind will keep pushing on the bottom of the boat. It will take a power boat to get it upright again in calmer weather. Your radios are underwater and if you're far from land, you're screwed! You are also more likely to be knocked down if your weight distribution between catamaran hulls are not equal. Catamarans are more convenient, but monohulls are definitely safer.
LOL my browser crashed so my first response got deleted :( but to sum it up short. A "Seakeeper stabilization gyro" is crazy expensive, mono has thicker hulls (floting logs and shipping containers don't really care tho) but catamarans have redundancy like 2 motors, 2 rudders, 2 hulls. If youarenew to sailing i would start with a monohull because they are more forgiving like you wrote with the knockdown and spilling over winds. But if you are experienced it'smoreabout what you prefer and like.
It is a really valid discussion. I think Nick hits in on the head when he recommends a five year plan. You will change; everybody does. Hiking, camping, sailing, you name it, people grow, learn, and change. What works for you today so you can start your adventure.
That couple you had over and the discussion on the pros and cons mono vs cat. I would bet you a million bucks his wife will never let’s him buy another mono.
One episode of the BBC series 'Death In Paradise' TM features a catamaran which is basically two mono hulls joined together and despite having completely open decks, it looks, amazing!
Loved this vid, I follow both channels. Last week an eleven metre cat capsized off the east coast of Australia. Five pax on board, three were killed, two saved. Not clear as to the reason for the capsize, thirty knot winds, less than two metre waves. All pax were wearing lifejackets. Tragic.
@@rsfarris86 Hi, I think we all will, to see what lessons can be learned. In the meantime, real people died here, my deepest condolences go to all who mourn their tragic passing.
I'd like to hear more from Nick (not Jason - Edit) about the differences between the older more traditional monohull hull, compared to the newer designs
Thanks for the video we have been looking at both now for a bit and it’s always nice to see and get someone’s opinion on the topic! Love the fact that there were more then just you two for a this video as you have been on a cat for a few years and they have been living on a mini forever!
Love and like this civilized conversation , bottom line is what suits your needs but this conversation will helps others in making a good decision thanks.
That was not a good discussion...that was AMAZING!!! Especially, for such an important topic. ...And that beer sounds great - Amber, malty, and smooth 🥰😀👍
Even if, you lose all means of propulsion in really, massive seas, there are things you can do to survive. One of those things, is to deploy a sea-anchor in order to slow your drift and keep your bow (or sometimes stern) into the wind. This will ordinarily maintain a survivable orientation to prevailing seas and prevent almost any, yacht from capsizing. Even dragging a spinnaker, can be used as an emergency substitute for a sea anchor.
Unfortunately we've had a flipped catamaran off the coast of Australian east coast last week that killed a lot of people 2 survived. Just look it up. Very sad. Not sure what caused it but there was a child on board.
I watched the whole thing parts 1 & 2. Thanks for grinding through that open, and what looked like to me, a not always easy or comfortable discussion. I'm really glad the final point was to get what you can afford and not wait, which seems to favor a nice enough mono hull. That said, there is a followup to even that statement... one must be also considering their operating budget when deciding to buy a boat, so everyone should not spend to their max savings, unless those savings include funds for the first year or so of operations and cruising. Thanks again.
I would add that for most people the monohull yacht makes much more sense due to size and cost. Cats in the 40' to 46' length range make a lot of sense, especially for chartering in the Carribean and a few similar places. Those catamarans are quite wonderful. This size is equivalent to a monohull with a size of say 46' to 60's in length. Those sizes are dramatically larger than the very large majority of sailors can afford, or can even dock in their marinas or clubs. My rule of thumb is if a monohull is smaller than 45' serves your needs well, there is absolutely no reason to consider a catamaran.
Having sailed extensively in both types (and built them), I think cats 44' and larger are the best all around (wonderful deck space, better privacy, deck netting, and not rolling at anchorage), but on that passage from Fiji to New Zealand, or from Seattle to Mexico (where weather is really rough), give me a monohull any day. And if there's a hurricane, your multi-hull can go airborne and flip, as I know from personal experience...
@@@DragosDomnara Well, not a happy ending. Sailing in Fiji, 1979, on a Searunner 37 trimaran, with fiancée' and father (who had come down for a three week visit). Caught on Astrolabe Reef by Cyclone Meli, Category 4 storm. Had wrapped 3/8" chain around a huge coral head so didn't have to worry about dragging anchor, but high winds flew us up in the air like a giant kite and the boat barrel-rolled, landed upside down. I was the only survivor, spent six days on uninhabited islands with three other survivors of a monohull that sank right behind us. You are pretty much not going to make it on a multihull or a monohull when you run into a cyclone or hurricane...
I've seen a 50 ft performance cat flip in a regatta that had very heavy air. I was on a J30 that did a full broach and another 45 footer was dismayed. Extreme co editions with boats being sailed on the edge. I would not expect a boat being handled properly to have an issue. Testosterone was in over supply. The speed that a cat brings to the table helps with passage making
Love the debate. I live on a 44’ monohull with a large cockpit and I still spend most of my time down below in the salon. Am I the only one who does that? It’s just so comfy down there. I just pop up to enjoy the view. Terysa says they spend almost all of their time up in the cockpit.
I am convinced I would by a catamaran! You did an excellent job explaining. I think you both would be fun to go on a short cruise with! Have a great week!
Living on a 50 ft mono for 10+ years, we are making all these same considerations. Future might actually bring a monohull. But prices of a used 50-60ft are quite stiff. Actually considering to build our own ideal cat.
Awesome dialogue that echoes where Dena and I have come from. 15,000 Pacific miles on an Amel Super Maramu including this anchorage in Moorea to our newly acquired Lagoon 450S which is the next chapter of our cruising story....buy a boat for your immediate needs....from Libby to Khaleesi
I think that basically it becomes a matter of taste. Although I love the incredible amount of space in a catamaran's salon, and the protection from the elements if you have a salon pilot station, I am cautious about the amount of superstructure that is exposed to heavy weather in a cat versus a monohull. In a monohull, most of your boat is protected by the strength of the hull and little of the superstructure is exposed to heavy weather. Best way to compare this is by examining a commercial ship's lifeboat and their low and sealed superstructure. Resulting from the same theory, a monohull has a lot of boat submerged and bottom heavy , which to me, is an advantage in heavy weather. For a similar reason, a monohull tends to point more to the wind if that navigation method is required during an engine failure. Other than that, nothing than good seamanship and good weather reporting can't cure.
Your right about always staying with the boat...heavy, heavy seas the cat may be more prone to flip...the width of the beam as far as room and comfort ...wider is almost always better:) Nice couple.
Catamaran hands down. Little to no heeling, tons of space which equals comfort. Granted you’re not gonna make as many knots but if you’re weather wise you can out sail “most” storms.
Yes, lots of space, but better be careful how you fill it. Basically, if you DO fill all that additional space, you're going to be very unhappy, to say the least.
Excellent point, all that weight slows you down and changes the handling characteristics of the boat. There’s a fine line between packing an extra sink and having what you need. As with a sail plan your provisioning must be well planned out.
Two great couples. Always interesting to get the perspective of people who have been there and done that for several years. I particularly liked the advice to buy what you can afford now, and buy the boat that fits how you plan to use it. There is no one-size-fits-all in life or in sailboats.
This is a great topic and one that has a million and one variables and opinions. One the sailing a cat into a reef, you should check out Peters channel (Sailing into Freedom), about a year and a half ago he ran into a reef at night that wasnt marked. The boat floated sunk to the counter height for 15 or so days till he and his 1 crew were rescued. The boat was lost, could not be repaired sealed or dragged onto a beach. To his GREAT CREDIT he filmed what was his GREATEST NIGHTMARE, and how his CALM METHODICAL approch to problem solving saved his and his crews lives. Something all sailors and those considering sailing should watch. Deffinatly made me cry, and my heart break for them. Love the 4 of you, watch patiantly for the next episode. CHEERS AND FAIR WINDS Steve h.
Seems to be all about personal preference. If I was to full time live aboard it would be a cat for the space and comfort. I think if cats wasn’t so expensive there would be more cat buyers. I have heard a lot of mono sailors say that. Like they said, buy what you can afford.
I TOTALLY agree with Nikki, what is the definitive answer, catamaran or mono-hull? There isn't one, answer is both! Again I feel it's a personal preference to which one chosen, and I for one, chose Catamaran.! Excellent discussion guys, thanks for all the insight.Fair Wynns and Following Seas Curiosity!!
Intersting video , how do you handle fire on board, we had a motor yacht and one night the cabin was full smoke on a starting fire, we survived and so dit the boat by fast handling. cruising was never the same for us and finally we sold the boat. Can you explain how you are in control whit that. We had an electrical failure which was the reason. Smoke detection didn’t work and I was lucky I woke up, we were very lucky that night.
I would always install a high pressure sprinkler system - and you're wrong if you think that you can't extinguish a hydrocarbon fire in an enclosed space. I would also add CO and CO2 detectors, and a lot more than one, and not all of the from the same manufacturer. If the smoke detector didn't work you had forgot to put it on your weekly vessel monitoring, evaluation and maintenance list.
30 minutes have gone by already??? Another great video. I like Nick's advice regarding buying a boat for where you will be sailing for the next few years. I was a motorcycle rider for almost 30 years. I am not a fan of HDs but I won't begrudge someone for choosing something that works for them. At least they are out there riding. Same with Cat vs Mono debate. Who cares? As long as they are out there sailing having a good time!
as a traditional sailing enthusiast ive always dreamt of the classic mono hull solo sail around the world. but when the pudding mets the world for a world cruiser, i just see more benefits for the cat. my wife hates sailing and the listing and swaying etc. seems like more benefits with the cat. in my opinion they look less sexy. but when it comes to it a cat seems larger more comfortable and spacious for crusing. practicality over traditional appearance.
I'm about 2 years away from selling everything a buying a boat this video was really helpful and gave insight and inspiration to me. But I keep seeing Trimarans popping up currently and I'm wandering now a Tri or Cat. All I can see currently is a Tri is in between a Cat and a Mono they seem very interesting as they are a middle ground between the two boats in price and they from what I gather don't heel as much at a mono but more than a Cat. I just can't decide at all what to buy and to embark on my journey around the world on, with my partner and two other friends. (I've tried to gather there opinion but they said to leave it up to me as I have the most experience in sailing and still currently taking lessons on how to sail) Non the less great video on the long never ending battle. You two are very nice from what I can gather through the few weeks I've been watching you. Thank you for the amazing content, -Nathan
You should check out this video. ua-cam.com/video/xgypZIQ0uEA/v-deo.html I did notice that all the ones I saw on my last trip were all heeled slightly when at anchor. I would think that would be annoying. The two outer hulls are much smaller than a cat, so much less roomy feeling. Check out Ruby Rose's review last week of a Neal tri.
You can't afford to be complacent about safety. Glad you guys are talking about safety. At the beginning safety is all we talk and think about it, then is put in the back of our mind. Then when something happens, we talk about safety and how important it is. Safety First!!!
Only found you by UA-cam accident. Really sorry I didn't know about your travels 3 years ago. What a joy to watch and be there with you. Saw a lot of the world in the USN and business but missed Tahiti and surrounds.
love the honesty of the conversation guys keep up the good work, for me my boat will probably be a large mono for two reasons initial purchase price, and the ability to have a walk around bed in my cabin without spending half a million or more on a newish cat, everything in life is a compromise
Awwwwwwww no contest....The Cat Winn's Wynns!!!💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛Nikki's favorite color💛🌅And you didn't discuss..... sustainability.....the Cat will always win....your set up is fully sustainable. 💛
We first bought a mono, because we thought true sailing comes from a classic sailing vessel gracefully gliding through the water at a sexy 20° lean. After a year of that nonsense we gathered our kids and our pride and bought us a condo...I mean a catamaran. :-) We’d never go back. But then again, there are six of us on board. Mono’s could be fine for a young agile couple who doesn’t mind things sliding off tables.
PS - We Love, subscribe and watch both your channels regularly! 😘
Cheers!
The Z-Crew
Sailing Zatara All I can say is that I truly loved your journey from a monohull to a catamaran and I’m very excited to see what Nick and Theresa will choose.
I've been binge watching Z-Crew for about a week now. If you want someone who has experience with both types of boat, they are definitely a good place to start.
Zatara keith youre a legend. And i like youre new cat a lot. The only thing is you bought a bendytoy before. No wonder..
Had that been a tayana 58 foot yacht or oyster or hinkley,swan etc they are not a toy i am sure you would have a better view.
But even 58 is too small for a family as large as youres.. You would have needed a 80 footer to come close to youre 60 foot cat.
Like a swan or a boat like lattitude 38 used to own a 78 foot i forget the maker but it was called big o.
I would love to own big o. I read a aticle they were in heavy weather and boat was under such controll they have mever felt so comvortable and safe. They have a 78 foot catamaran since big o and say big o was the real deal.
Still i like youre cat but in 90 knots give me big o.
Yes i have been in 90 knots more than once.
@@sailingsolo5290 "i have been in 90 knots more than once"
Time you learned weather routing Billy :-).
@@helmshardover back then the weather info was not like it is now. Think queensday storm and sydney hobart disaster both of these were bombs out of season and not predicted. Queensday was pre internet .both can happen again even with internet
The south pacific can be a very dangerouse place.
I wanted to buy a Catamaran and my wife wanted a Lake House so we compromised and got a Lake House.
Sounds like you're about as successful at compromising as I am. Someday we shall win my friend...someday! (prob not though)
Steve Law always good to know when a win isn’t a win - long life & happiness.
This must be the official "guys who've been married long enough to know who's *really* in charge" thread... :-)
My wife wanted to learn how to ride a motorcycle..... I bought two. :-)
Mine wanted to do something I didn't, I said there's the door have a good time, Divorce final I took it all, but my headaches are gone and my health has improved the kids are all grown and out now, and my boat will be finished for the winter season LOL.
At 66 years old I'll never own either but I do love watching your adventures. Living mine through you. Thanks so much.
Im at 68 soon to be 69 im the same i do my sailing watching these folks and some others hang in buddy its gonna be a hell of a ride still
i'm " in the same boat " as you guys at 65 and the rockstars of the cruising world SLV for sure prefer their Outremer over a monohull - be interesting to see what Brian on Delos decides to do when their baby arrives - Gunboat cats look amazing but so expensive - be safe Jason and Nikki
Barry Perrins (Adventures of an Old Sea Dog channel) has got to be in his sixties, and he cruises the world solo! Incidentally, if I had to guess, I'd say he has less than 1/20th the budget of these guys. However, as Barry himself emphasises, you have to be in good health to solo cruise whatever age you are. Also, he often chooses to sail more gently and slowly than conditions would allow in order to keep his workload at manageable levels.
At 66 I guess I'll just hang out here in the video lounge.
Tequila? (But I'm trying to work on it - head>brick wall)
Ditto
I love these videos. The best piece of advice from this is "Don't buy a forever boat, buy a 5 year boat."
Tom Weinstein
buy your second boat- FIRST 🤙
...Really enjoyed watching these two videos.
My wife and I just sold our house (and everything else too), bought a Leopard 42, and will be following in the Wynns’ wake.
We too went thru the Mono vs Cat debate. So far, we’re really happy with our choice.
Good luck to you! Looking forward to you posting about your experiences both good and bad, but hopefully very little of the latter.
Ooooooooo go get those Wynns!!!❤️💗💖♥️💕💝🧡💛💚💜💙⛵💙⛵💙⛵💙⛵
Excellent work, guys! It was tragically ironic that just last week, a cruising cat flipped off the coast of New South Wales, resulting in fatalities. A poignant reminder to sail conservatively, I guess. Cheers.
Was that due to extreme weather or user error?
@@davidturner8301 The media showed a brief glimpse of the overturned cat and, to me, it looked like maybe the genoa and main had been deployed at the time of the capsize. Winds were reportedly around 35 knots on that day. South-westerly, from memory, and the boat was sailing northbound, so perhaps the ugly following seas that Nick and Jason mentioned were partly to blame. Someone else may have better information than me though.
The cat appears to have been a Spirited 38 - which have flipped before so I don’t know if it’s a design issue but they have quite narrow hulls. Most cruising cars have more buoyancy forward. It’s hard to comment without knowing the details of course - terrible tragedy.
Having sailed both while living in Florida for 20 yrs it's Catamaran hands down.
I noticed one item that you did not mention but was in the background of your video. I do believe you have much more area on a catamaran to mount solar panels than what is available on a monohull. This is a major comfort and safety issue as compared to what is available on a monohull.
That is a good point.
I like these conversations... beats what's on TV any day.
(I had to edit this, 'cos my spelling sucks.)
I strongly agree with you. TV sucks, the only thing tv is good for is gossiping and bad news.
J. Ramirez Totally concur!
video on demand/streaming has changed TV completely.
@@u235u235u235 I don't have a TV.
It's a waste of my time and money (TV channel subscriptions and the TV itself)
"Buy the boat that is best for the area that you plan to sail in the next five years and can afford", this is the best answer to this stupid question I've ever heard, congrats Wynns and Ruby Rose on a great vid
As to the safety aspect, I heard the argument about Cats flipping and Monos sinking, then it goes on to state that a Mono will remain upright on the bottom, but a Cat will be upside down on the surface, I'd much rather be on top of the water than under it. Loved the discussion comparing the differences.
Great seeing you guys together 👍 I’ve watched every episode of Nick & Terysa’s Channel and because of them I found your channel! 🙏 still going through from start to current date guys, epic channels and inspired us to buy a sail boat and start planning retirement in 4 years, starting off in Greek islands and see where life takes us from there. Thank you so much guys for your hard work and inspiration 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👍
Second!! Whoo hoo!! Sunday coffee with the Wynns! As always, stay safe, be safe💕💕
Always learning is the safety answer! I'm glad you all can engage in great conversations,I learned alot,thank you!🚣🚣🚣🚣🚣
Love the song of the roosters in the background. Agreeing with everything you all are saying. Nice to see 2 couples being friends. Thank you 4 sharing your adventures.
Thank you for mentioning Bumfuzzle, he was the first blogger I discovered, who just went around the world without a care, loved those adventures, so well written and way ahead of the times
Was pleased to hear the more apt comparison...a 43 cat vs a 53 to 64 mono. Then space, speed and comfort can be considered equal. I've always thought that sailing motion preference is the deciding factor. Personally , I prefer the power sailing aspect of a mono.. 55- 64 ft...cutting through water as opposed to a cats herky jerky motion...plus, the slamming of the bridge deck makes me mental. Great, unsolvable topic by these two wonderful couples..as usual.
I was a engineer for Bell Helicopter in Grand Prairie, Texas, I am not retired yet, but I am considering buying a Cat. At first I was worried for you but now glad to see you were taking sailing lessons. I enjoy watching both you and Sailing Zatara. Be safe and have fun
I think that the fact that the couple explaining the pros of mono hulls are looking to get a catamaran, really says it all.
1 CORRECTION: Cats have more 'EMERGENCY MARINAS'. In an emergency a cat can beach at any sandy calm beach or near mangroves. Anywhere theres a bit of sand where the tide goes out. You’ll have around 4hrs a day to work on the issue.
Note: Best to put something soft under the hulls, like air bags, or even old fenders (tie to the hulls). This is because as the tide goes out the cat may move from small waves and hit the sand repeatedly. Also note tides times and heights.
FREE Antifouling - no haul out (save around $2000):
Note: Be responsible. Always cleanup all mess (paint, oil, fibre glass etc). And a big drop sheet, no wind.
Beach your cat (using some sort of cushioning), let the tide go out. Make sure u have a big drop sheet, and theres no wind to blow the old paint away. Use 1 motor or gen to run your sander. Sand when dry, Paint when dry.
Its fine for the tide to come in and out, and do it bit by bit. This is how we did it when I was a kid. There wasn’t any ‘haul outs’. Even the keelers had to tie up to a rickety old small wharf and wait for the tide to go out.
Now they have to have big machines and charge u lots of money. Just pls be responsible for ALL your mess, discard safely and environmentally correct.
PS. For antifouling, chose a beach with no pple
When loading heavy stores on a mono hull from a dingy use the boom and a winch, easy and safe. Work smart not hard. Shopping for a Blue Water Cruiser after years sailing Cats. Have to say Mono Hulls are my primary search simply because for the price for a 57' mono is still well below a 45' Cat. It's not about space but comfort at sea. Amel and the Beneteau 57 center cockpit with the enclosed helm are made for Heavy Seas and Comfort.
Both nice seaworthy vessels...Fair Winds!
For comfort, center cockpit is the way to go. More space on deck, protection from following seas, less exposure to pitching movement. If I were building a vessel she would be center cockpit.
As always a great conversation with great people. Love and follow both your channels.
Thanks guy's. Have a great week.
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13:28 "Even if you're flipped you know you're gonna be ok".
You forgot to add: "As long as we dont die from that".
Great conversation, re fatigue on long passage the cruising catamaran is defiantly easier on the body than a monohull. The safety factors are fully associated with that. Thanks guys! Cheers Warren
Another great video. Someone mentioned below that at age 66 they would never own either one. I’m here to say we’re 65 and actively looking for our boat. The best advice you all gave was to buy for the moment and not forever. Thanks again!
Fantastic video, I really like the honest comparison between monohulls and cats - I love the advice "buy a boat for 5 years" Thank you :)
In a serious ocean seaway, the quick righting moment of a catamaran and the noise of waves crashing under the bridge deck are NOT comfortable or it’s best features. A monohull in the same seaway might have as much motion, but it would be slower and much quieter. I like catamarans, but they have their faults.
With all of the utmost sincerity this has got to be one of the best series out there on this topic and not only boating but on why we do this adventuresome thing! This should be transcribes and printed in every sailing magazine in publish. First changing to sailing from rving for me and my wife is not an option, that said I’ve done time going fast on a Hobie 18 and a Schock Santana 20 as well as spending time on a Choy Lee 31. Sailing for me at my age and the fact that my better half physically isn’t strong enough to handle the sailing chores if something should happen to me (I ramble...sorry) is probably not an option, but we use our 5th wheel as much as possible (on number 3 and almost 20 year anniversary). However you four are perfectly spot on with this great conversation! Jason and Nikki I have followed you through the Rv days and one thing rings true...make those memories and do it often. Do it now a tent an A class a cat or mono. As you four have said...make a plan...devise the budget that works...stick to it as best possible (stuff happens) and do it! This life is the one you have and you absolutely must fill it with memories and never regrets. You four are fantastic. Thanks for sharing and fair winds.
Awe, that's great! Thanks for the love! 😻
Great conversation about risk management. Risk moves up and down. You manage the risk by implementing controls such as life jackets and life lines. Great conversation.
Regardless, I want a catamaran and I want to sail to these beautiful places ya’ll have shown in your videos. Some of your footage is mind blowing and it is hard to imagine seeing so many different species of fish, sea creatures, coral, and landscape with such beautiful colors, shapes, and design. A lot of your videos are more impressive than some documentaries I have seen on PBS, Arts and Entertainment, and the Discovery Channel. Thank you very much. GOD bless ya’ll and Happy Sailing.
Awe, thanks for the love❣
Gone with the Wynns You are welcome, the love is well deserved. Stay safe, have fun, and keep on spreading love and the GOD given beauties of the world. Thank you.
I like both, currently have neither, but as an engineer, the safety factor easily goes to the monohull.
Neither boat is "likely" to flip over. It would take a combination of extreme weather and user error, or a critical material failure which would be a construction flaw rather than a design flaw. However, a catamaran is MORE likely to flip over than a monohull. This is basic physics. First. A monohull weighs more which gives it more inertia to resist rotation. Secondly, heeling allows the monohull to disperse wind energy organically. Third, the keel creates a counter moment of inertia which ensures it will eventually right itself, or find some balance between o and 90 degrees.
A catamaran does not have a keel, and is much lighter. It also doesn't heel in the wind. Heeling for a cat means having one wing out of the water. This also increases the surface area for the wind to hit. Unlike a monohull, this means that a cats wind energy exposure increases, or at best, is less significantly dispersed, than that of a monohull when healing. A monohull which starts heeling is likely to reduce further heeling with each degree. With a catamaran, the opposite is true.
Catamaran cruisers have flipped, but so have monohulls. You only hear about the catamarans because that is game over for them.
A monohull's righting moment mathematically guarantees that it's optimal state of potential energy is right side up. A catamaran's natural state of least potential energy is upside down. Proof in point, a monohull can right itself, but a catamaran which has capsized can never regain its intended state.
If you plan on just staying along the coasts and avoiding hard weather, that's fine, but it's impossible to do so 100% of the time.
Not sinking is a good advantage of the catamaran for sure. Though well built monohulls have 5+ water tight compartments. The odds of piercing multiple compartments is no more than piercing both hulls of a cat. Both circumstances warrant abandoning ship. In the cat case, this simply means using the cat as the life raft.
Losing a keel? Seriously? If we're going to be that hypothetical, let's wonder if the catamaran explodes since it has two engines and thus is twice as likely to do so? We're not being fair with that one. Both boats have design risks due to trade offs. For example, catamarans are under far more sheer stresses due to having a large mass out of water. Upwards buoyancy forces coupled with downward wave forces makes a catamaran more likely to get ripped into pieces. Still, I don't think that is a realistic concern, but since we're talking theoretical situations...
Great balanced discussion. I’ve sailed the southern ocean in a cruising cat circumnavigating Australia so I feel your analysis was spot on. Couple of minor comments/additions: re: haul-out - you can beach a cat more easily. Re: Close hailed: our Seawind sails at 32° to wind (we also race it on Wednesdays). Re: heavy weather a negative is the “cat-walk” motion traversing waves and swell, but that is balanced by being much less susceptible to rolling at anchor. :). Craig. (SCARLETT)
I’ve followed a ruby rose since their beginning and I’ve kept up with you since you decided to go sailing. Loved this meetup.
These general discussions are very familiar from the camping world. Different kinds of kit all come with pros and cons and the key is matching yourself and your lifestyle into the best suited bit of kit. There is no “best”, but there is “best suited”.
There is a definitive answer, but you have to change the question a little. “Which is better FOR ME, a catamaran or monohull.” Same argument as car vs motorcycle.
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car vs truck
Interesting. I think Nick was very patient. He clearly was thinking deeply about the various options and definitely considering the Pros and Cons, and didn't dismiss either option.
Another great video! Thanks for putting together the series. My take away: have a plan. A plan for what you want to do and how you intend on using the boat. Also, a plan for every component of sailing (i.e. MOB, anchoring, picking up mooring balls, docking, etc.) for the type of boat I eventually get. Again, thanks for a great and candid discussion.
Loved it! Stay within your budget and just do it! Great advice. The best two youtube channels on the planet! Thank you for posting.
You both have beautiful boats. But I truly love the woodwork and craftsmanship in Ruby Rose. A cat with that quality of interior would be the ultimate.
FYI, you can make a monohull unsinkable, just by enclosing foam in the bow, stern and a layer against the hull. Most are not because manufacturers want to maximize interior space. However a number of custom adventure monohulls are unsinkable.
In addition, the engine redundancy argument goes out if you convert to diesel electric with a nice battery bank. Electric prime movers are so reliable, they out perform even two engines on a time to failure gauge.
The issue is that the standards in the industry are designed for charter, which is short duration vacation sailing. For that you don't need all the additional things I'm mentioning because the boats are maintained, and almost never see heavy seas unless they are being delivered by a professional.
Omg...You are so the Rock Stars...! Luv that background noise from Mr. Rooster....lol! I'm dyin' with that LACK o' Sleep!! Yikes! LOL!
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women love catamarans, comfort at anchorage. my preference is center cockpit monohull, haul more freight, sail up wind!
Love the video guys and yes i watched ALL the way to the end! Nicely Done!
Great video great discussion two of my favorite all-time UA-camrs if I had to flip a coin to decide which one of y'all are like best I wouldn't do it I love both of y'all you're definitely true sailboat sailors
10:32 BINGO! The key is to prepare your multihull in the unlikely event of capsize so you can live in relative comfort until rescue. The Case for the Cruising Trimaran by Jim Brown has a full chapter devoted to that.
I enjoy both channels. I actually found yours, and then binge watched from the beginning of your boat adventure, when Ruby Rose showed their videos of visiting you. Thanks for the content, I get a lot of enjoyment out of watching.
Welcome to the crew and thanks for sailing with us!
It is more simple than you think. Cats get dis-masted in heavy weather more often than anything else because people don't reduce sail enough and forces are amplified by the wide platform. Mono-hulls act like an inflated punching bag with lead in the bottom, and right themselves quickly in heavy weather.
So it's operator error , not the boat design ,,,,,,A 16 year old kid driving in a new Corvette and wonder why he wrecked it , duh
If you add a "Seakeeper stabilization gyro" to a monohull the advantage of the catamaran's stabile platform is equalized. Your monohull stops rolling. Their evaluation of the monohull was far from comprehensive. Just about all monohull hull thickness is significantly thicker and sturdier than a catamaran. At the start of a "knockdown", the sail of a monohull is spilling wind as the mast approaches water. This slows down the rate of the mast approaching the water. Afterwards, the heavy keel brings the monohull upright. A catamaran does not lean over spilling wind. It moves sideways to some extent until the wind is strong enough to lift one of the hulls. After that the wind gets under the catamaran and keeps lifting the catamaran until it's upside down. A catamaran on its side will not stay that way because the wind will keep pushing on the bottom of the boat. It will take a power boat to get it upright again in calmer weather. Your radios are underwater and if you're far from land, you're screwed! You are also more likely to be knocked down if your weight distribution between catamaran hulls are not equal. Catamarans are more convenient, but monohulls are definitely safer.
LOL my browser crashed so my first response got deleted :( but to sum it up short.
A "Seakeeper stabilization gyro" is crazy expensive, mono has thicker hulls (floting logs and shipping containers don't really care tho) but catamarans have redundancy like 2 motors, 2 rudders, 2 hulls. If youarenew to sailing i would start with a monohull because they are more forgiving like you wrote with the knockdown and spilling over winds. But if you are experienced it'smoreabout what you prefer and like.
It is a really valid discussion. I think Nick hits in on the head when he recommends a five year plan. You will change; everybody does. Hiking, camping, sailing, you name it, people grow, learn, and change. What works for you today so you can start your adventure.
You made all my points!!! Why is the captain responsible for everything unless and until a catamaran flips and then it's the boats fault
That couple you had over and the discussion on the pros and cons mono vs cat. I would bet you a million bucks his wife will never let’s him buy another mono.
Just found you and these 2 episodes are SO Helpful!! Thanks so much!
One episode of the BBC series 'Death In Paradise' TM features a catamaran which is basically two mono hulls joined together and despite having completely open decks, it looks, amazing!
Loved this vid, I follow both channels.
Last week an eleven metre cat capsized off the east coast of Australia. Five pax on board, three were killed, two saved. Not clear as to the reason for the capsize, thirty knot winds, less than two metre waves. All pax were wearing lifejackets. Tragic.
bert macdonald Wow, I just googled and read about it. I’ll be eager to read the full report on what happened once the investigation is complete.
@@rsfarris86 Hi, I think we all will, to see what lessons can be learned.
In the meantime, real people died here, my deepest condolences go to all who mourn their tragic passing.
bert macdonald Indeed, same here....very sad story.
No sailing experience aside from 3 days on a tallship doing what I was told. Watched the whole video fascinated :p
I'd like to hear more from Nick (not Jason - Edit) about the differences between the older more traditional monohull hull, compared to the newer designs
Ha, I don’t know a thing about monohulls :)
- Jason
@@gonewiththewynns Sorry, I meant Nick (i think)
Thanks for the video we have been looking at both now for a bit and it’s always nice to see and get someone’s opinion on the topic! Love the fact that there were more then just you two for a this video as you have been on a cat for a few years and they have been living on a mini forever!
Love and like this civilized conversation , bottom line is what suits your needs but this conversation will helps others in making a good decision thanks.
There are a handful of channels on youtube that keep me salivating for more content... this one is at the top. Another great video and series guys!
Awe, thanks for the love and for being a part of the crew!
That was not a good discussion...that was AMAZING!!! Especially, for such an important topic.
...And that beer sounds great - Amber, malty, and smooth 🥰😀👍
Even if, you lose all means of propulsion in really, massive seas, there are things you can do to survive.
One of those things, is to deploy a sea-anchor in order to slow your drift and keep your bow (or sometimes stern) into the wind.
This will ordinarily maintain a survivable orientation to prevailing seas and prevent almost any, yacht from capsizing.
Even dragging a spinnaker, can be used as an emergency substitute for a sea anchor.
Unfortunately we've had a flipped catamaran off the coast of Australian east coast last week that killed a lot of people 2 survived. Just look it up. Very sad. Not sure what caused it but there was a child on board.
Bucket List Kidz yes, an absolute tragedy. Thankfully a fairly rare occurrence, but we’ll wait for the report to find out more about what happened.
Oh for sure! A very rare and tragic accident. But we've had rough wind and seas the last 4 months bloody brutal
I watched the whole thing parts 1 & 2. Thanks for grinding through that open, and what looked like to me, a not always easy or comfortable discussion. I'm really glad the final point was to get what you can afford and not wait, which seems to favor a nice enough mono hull. That said, there is a followup to even that statement... one must be also considering their operating budget when deciding to buy a boat, so everyone should not spend to their max savings, unless those savings include funds for the first year or so of operations and cruising. Thanks again.
I would add that for most people the monohull yacht makes much more sense due to size and cost. Cats in the 40' to 46' length range make a lot of sense, especially for chartering in the Carribean and a few similar places. Those catamarans are quite wonderful. This size is equivalent to a monohull with a size of say 46' to 60's in length. Those sizes are dramatically larger than the very large majority of sailors can afford, or can even dock in their marinas or clubs. My rule of thumb is if a monohull is smaller than 45' serves your needs well, there is absolutely no reason to consider a catamaran.
Who else is hearing roosters? 😂
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Was looking for this comment
I can't stop hearing them. Want to tell them to shut up so I can listen to the conversation.
I don't know about the roosters but one thing I didn't see was the 2 pussy cats.....Must of been curled up snoozing some were lol.
I thought I heard police fire or ambulance sirens at one point.
Morning guys. Good convo. From Texas here. Considering power cat 50’ staying in Caribbean loop. Stay safe cheers 👍
Having sailed extensively in both types (and built them), I think cats 44' and larger are the best all around (wonderful deck space, better privacy, deck netting, and not rolling at anchorage), but on that passage from Fiji to New Zealand, or from Seattle to Mexico (where weather is really rough), give me a monohull any day. And if there's a hurricane, your multi-hull can go airborne and flip, as I know from personal experience...
wow, if you don't mind sharing what was the experience?
@@@DragosDomnara Well, not a happy ending. Sailing in Fiji, 1979, on a Searunner 37 trimaran, with fiancée' and father (who had come down for a three week visit). Caught on Astrolabe Reef by Cyclone Meli, Category 4 storm. Had wrapped 3/8" chain around a huge coral head so didn't have to worry about dragging anchor, but high winds flew us up in the air like a giant kite and the boat barrel-rolled, landed upside down. I was the only survivor, spent six days on uninhabited islands with three other survivors of a monohull that sank right behind us. You are pretty much not going to make it on a multihull or a monohull when you run into a cyclone or hurricane...
@@Morrisfactor I'm sorry for your loss. The more i read about sailing i understand that it can be really dangerous.
I've seen a 50 ft performance cat flip in a regatta that had very heavy air. I was on a J30 that did a full broach and another 45 footer was dismayed. Extreme co editions with boats being sailed on the edge. I would not expect a boat being handled properly to have an issue. Testosterone was in over supply. The speed that a cat brings to the table helps with passage making
Great comparison by people who really are doing things! Not just armchair sailors...
Big fan of your channel. Do you think the years you spent living in your RVs influenced your decision to go with at Cat vs Mono?
Great discussion. This is what happens anytime two or more sailors get together. Sailors also do this discussing a flashlight or a piece of rope :)
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Reading the link below it seems fail safe rudder design is critical to cruising and passage making.
@4:55 Seems extremely rare for any sailing channel to discuss having a man over board safety drill.
msnpassjan2004 svdelos has those conversations and actually drills.
Love the debate. I live on a 44’ monohull with a large cockpit and I still spend most of my time down below in the salon. Am I the only one who does that? It’s just so comfy down there. I just pop up to enjoy the view. Terysa says they spend almost all of their time up in the cockpit.
I am convinced I would by a catamaran! You did an excellent job explaining. I think you both would be fun to go on a short cruise with! Have a great week!
Living on a 50 ft mono for 10+ years, we are making all these same considerations. Future might actually bring a monohull. But prices of a used 50-60ft are quite stiff. Actually considering to build our own ideal cat.
Awesome dialogue that echoes where Dena and I have come from. 15,000 Pacific miles on an Amel Super Maramu including this anchorage in Moorea to our newly acquired Lagoon 450S which is the next chapter of our cruising story....buy a boat for your immediate needs....from Libby to Khaleesi
What an interesting discussion with my favourite sailing couples!
I have researched this subject many times. This is the best analysis I have seen. TY
Congratulations on capturing Lucy's attention with your videos on Sailing with Lucy!
I think that basically it becomes a matter of taste. Although I love the incredible amount of space in a catamaran's salon, and the protection from the elements if you have a salon pilot station, I am cautious about the amount of superstructure that is exposed to heavy weather in a cat versus a monohull. In a monohull, most of your boat is protected by the strength of the hull and little of the superstructure is exposed to heavy weather. Best way to compare this is by examining a commercial ship's lifeboat and their low and sealed superstructure. Resulting from the same theory, a monohull has a lot of boat submerged and bottom heavy , which to me, is an advantage in heavy weather. For a similar reason, a monohull tends to point more to the wind if that navigation method is required during an engine failure. Other than that, nothing than good seamanship and good weather reporting can't cure.
Your right about always staying with the boat...heavy, heavy seas the cat may be more prone to flip...the width of the beam as far as room and comfort ...wider is almost always better:) Nice couple.
Catamaran hands down. Little to no heeling, tons of space which equals comfort. Granted you’re not gonna make as many knots but if you’re weather wise you can out sail “most” storms.
Yes, lots of space, but better be careful how you fill it. Basically, if you DO fill all that additional space, you're going to be very unhappy, to say the least.
Excellent point, all that weight slows you down and changes the handling characteristics of the boat. There’s a fine line between packing an extra sink and having what you need. As with a sail plan your provisioning must be well planned out.
Two great couples. Always interesting to get the perspective of people who have been there and done that for several years. I particularly liked the advice to buy what you can afford now, and buy the boat that fits how you plan to use it. There is no one-size-fits-all in life or in sailboats.
This is a great topic and one that has a million and one variables and opinions. One the sailing a cat into a reef, you should check out Peters channel (Sailing into Freedom), about a year and a half ago he ran into a reef at night that wasnt marked. The boat floated sunk to the counter height for 15 or so days till he and his 1 crew were rescued. The boat was lost, could not be repaired sealed or dragged onto a beach. To his GREAT CREDIT he filmed what was his GREATEST NIGHTMARE, and how his CALM METHODICAL approch to problem solving saved his and his crews lives. Something all sailors and those considering sailing should watch. Deffinatly made me cry, and my heart break for them. Love the 4 of you, watch patiantly for the next episode. CHEERS AND FAIR WINDS Steve h.
Enjoyable video as usual, I don’t care what kind of boat anyone has but it’s interesting to me learning what you think. Love both of your channels!
Seems to be all about personal preference. If I was to full time live aboard it would be a cat for the space and comfort. I think if cats wasn’t so expensive there would be more cat buyers. I have heard a lot of mono sailors say that. Like they said, buy what you can afford.
You nailed it with the statement, there is no answer to which is better.
I TOTALLY agree with Nikki, what is the definitive answer, catamaran or mono-hull? There isn't one, answer is both! Again I feel it's a personal preference to which one chosen, and I for one, chose Catamaran.! Excellent discussion guys, thanks for all the insight.Fair Wynns and Following Seas Curiosity!!
Intersting video , how do you handle fire on board, we had a motor yacht and one night the cabin was full smoke on a starting fire, we survived and so dit the boat by fast handling.
cruising was never the same for us and finally we sold the boat. Can you explain how you are in control whit that. We had an electrical failure which was the reason. Smoke detection didn’t work and I was lucky I woke up, we were very lucky that night.
I would always install a high pressure sprinkler system - and you're wrong if you think that you can't extinguish a hydrocarbon fire in an enclosed space.
I would also add CO and CO2 detectors, and a lot more than one, and not all of the from the same manufacturer.
If the smoke detector didn't work you had forgot to put it on your weekly vessel monitoring, evaluation and maintenance list.
30 minutes have gone by already???
Another great video. I like Nick's advice regarding buying a boat for where you will be sailing for the next few years. I was a motorcycle rider for almost 30 years. I am not a fan of HDs but I won't begrudge someone for choosing something that works for them. At least they are out there riding. Same with Cat vs Mono debate. Who cares? As long as they are out there sailing having a good time!
Those ROOSTERS! They win the debate, its all for the birds anyways! Nick and Terysa had some awesome points!
Thank you all.
Bryan from Vancouver
I think the safest thing to do when doing very long crossings is to pair up the best you can . I see a lot of sailors doing that .
as a traditional sailing enthusiast ive always dreamt of the classic mono hull solo sail around the world. but when the pudding mets the world for a world cruiser, i just see more benefits for the cat. my wife hates sailing and the listing and swaying etc. seems like more benefits with the cat. in my opinion they look less sexy. but when it comes to it a cat seems larger more comfortable and spacious for crusing. practicality over traditional appearance.
I'm about 2 years away from selling everything a buying a boat this video was really helpful and gave insight and inspiration to me. But I keep seeing Trimarans popping up currently and I'm wandering now a Tri or Cat.
All I can see currently is a Tri is in between a Cat and a Mono they seem very interesting as they are a middle ground between the two boats in price and they from what I gather don't heel as much at a mono but more than a Cat. I just can't decide at all what to buy and to embark on my journey around the world on, with my partner and two other friends. (I've tried to gather there opinion but they said to leave it up to me as I have the most experience in sailing and still currently taking lessons on how to sail)
Non the less great video on the long never ending battle. You two are very nice from what I can gather through the few weeks I've been watching you.
Thank you for the amazing content,
-Nathan
You should check out this video. ua-cam.com/video/xgypZIQ0uEA/v-deo.html I did notice that all the ones I saw on my last trip were all heeled slightly when at anchor. I would think that would be annoying. The two outer hulls are much smaller than a cat, so much less roomy feeling. Check out Ruby Rose's review last week of a Neal tri.
I'm lovin this collaboration with Ruby Rose...Yes, Nikki... It was interesting...would love another collab with them.... just awesome
You can't afford to be complacent about safety. Glad you guys are talking about safety. At the beginning safety is all we talk and think about it, then is put in the back of our mind. Then when something happens, we talk about safety and how important it is. Safety First!!!
Only found you by UA-cam accident. Really sorry I didn't know about your travels 3 years ago. What a joy to watch and be there with you. Saw a lot of the world in the USN and business but missed Tahiti and surrounds.
love the honesty of the conversation guys keep up the good work, for me my boat will probably be a large mono for two reasons initial purchase price, and the ability to have a walk around bed in my cabin without spending half a million or more on a newish cat, everything in life is a compromise
Yep, always a compromise no matter what. As Nikki says “there’s no such thing as a perfect boat” :)
Awwwwwwww no contest....The Cat Winn's Wynns!!!💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛💛Nikki's favorite color💛🌅And you didn't discuss..... sustainability.....the Cat will always win....your set up is fully sustainable. 💛