@@the_takibo not impressed so far. The hype made it seem like it would be a much more immersive combat game. Pretty generic third person shooter really.
This is something that every good Gears player learned, folks haven't picked up on it yet. Key element to closing on kills quickly and moving out before you get flanked or focused by respawning players coming into the fight late.
One thing I don’t like about the pvp is that the melee seems like it is almost useless in pvp. Even though it goes through armor, the guns are just too effective
SM2 PVP is a matter of countering, melee has its uses, Vanguards cant grapnel you if youre in their face, Bulworks cant block heavy melee attacks, when figure out comboing with heavy attacks, you will win nearly every melee fight
The PvP is unbalanced garbage. I just can't believe how many people are defending it. On top of a 6 hour campaign AND nearly unplayable servers. Not worth $60 at all.
I'm being honest with you bro, this multiplayer is one of the worst asset flips on the planet. These streamers and youtubers make it look good but its just not. Within an hour of playing the PvP, youll realize how little work was put into it. It feels like it was probably completed in the last 5 hours of development. Insanely unbalanced. Melee doesn't stunlock so its useless. Assault class is beyond useless. 2 heavies and 2 bulwarks on each team because they are so busted. Its not good bro. Take it from a diehard warhammer fan. It's a 6 hour campaign, an unplayable mess for PvP (if you can even CONNECT to a match btw). and a "operations mode" that is already stale after 6 hours of doing those. Not worth $60.
@@damienbuerger1671I find it a ton of fun, and I don't play either class you talked about. It would be nice if there were more maps or modes but that will come with time
Great gameplay, good use of the sidearm and grappling hook to escape. Vanguard looks exceptional. Something that a lot of folks haven't been doing is hip firing like in Gears of War, and it's a really important tool to maintain mobility and presenting a more difficult target to hit. I'm also seeing folks tossing their grenades right away in the "general direction." Probably better to hold them for a clutch situation, covering a retreat, pushing or actually bunk busting a position Good hunting Astartes!
Just because I hadn't seen this raised yet, you can grapple onto heavies and bulwarks to interrupt their shield because the hook stuns them! As vanguard, you pretty much counter these classes
It’s all I die to fr. Every game I play where there’s a sniper on the enemy side… he swaps off the rifle and goes for the carbine instead with the cloak. It feels cheesy
8:19 I must say melee weapons can cut go through armor but so shitty I was kinda expecting more from meele damage ngl. I was hoping vanguard can kill though melee but nah
Everyone who hates this PVP hates it because they have to actually have good hit placement and teamwork. No sliding, cover peaking, bunny hopping and laying prone bs here just a solid shooter like we had back in the day. Oh no you can't pay for a skins and weapons that make you better. Oh no 😂. This pvp is a love letter to Unreal Tournament with a splash of Gears. A lot of kids are finding out what a true arena shooter is and I love it
What i love about this game is that even the regular ass bolt pistol is super viable. Need a bit of range that your bolter won't cut? The bolt pistol got you covered!
How? Nothings viable but the burst bolter or the plasma stuff or somehow getting super fast animations as assault with hammer cos everyone has twice the animation speed and no input lag whereas mines horrendous. Do you know why my TTK is so slow etc when my and fine and I’m hitting shots the desync is just terrible and input lags getting me killed all the time. I press a button twice because it’s so laggy on the input
@@aguy607 trust me, when you're forced to use your bolt pistol because you don't have a primary or have a melta rifle and need that range, you'll see the value of it overtime.
I like that all the classes counter each other like how bulwark counters heavy, vanguard counters bulwark, tactical counters snipers, and snipers counter assault but I think it should stun other classes than bulwark slightly less just because how easy it makes kills
In lore, the mk10 armour is between 800-1000lbs but space marines are insanely fast. Unfortunately that is a hard thing to integrate into a video game, especially a game with PVP and you need balance. SM walking speed is a little over jogging speed for humans so I do wish the sprint speed was a lot faster but I understand why.
In a way I'm kinda glad parrying isn't in the pvp. Parry spam would be absurd, and combined with the hammer that 2-3 shots you, yeah I think I'm good with the coin flip we already have.
13:08 I would've gone to melee him if I can't beat them in a gunfire close range after grappling in. Damage is damage after all. You'll put mental pressure onto your enemy for your next teammates when they face them.
@damienbuerger1671 agreed but they can't neef heavy ima still love it 😂 normal hate that style of class but it's just so satisfying in this game. Nothing better than an assault who thinks he can kill me before I mow him down lol
Are you playing on pc because the gun combat looks completely different on xbox Also has anyone had any problems with inconsistent hit boxes and damage rates
I'll be honest, on the receiving end, Vanguard is probably the least annoying. The title of most annoying goes to Bulwark and Assault, and that's entirely a hitbox thing.
Yeah assault is bad unless you have a good team to support and take enemy attention off you. The time to kill is so low melee really needs a buff to make up for its longer kill time.
Nice to see something other than, drop a grenade and then stun so it kills them. Game needs some good balancing passes at least for console. Feels like frag grenades should do 50-75% hp and krak grenades should be an instant kill if stuck but instead krak doesn't kill and frags are the low skill ez button. 2 swing lills with thunder hammer and it has aoe, parry doesnt so anything in pvp, bolt pistol is extremely underwhelming considering its the only option for some classes
I find the time to kill in the game perfect but then you got the people who like to bitch and moan about everything lil so i guess we'll find out how long till we hear people bitching about it
What ive noticed is that almost all Vanguards play the same If you try to melee rush them, they wont melee back, rather they will back away while shooting you If they grapel you they will almost always knife you to death as they havent figured out chainswords yet They will either flank or flee if they arent doing one of those other things Literally every single Vanguard i have seen do these things, they manage to be so uniquely annoying yet so weirdly predictable, thats the downside to vanguard, they are typically easy to predict and that makes them easy to kill
Have you guys tried space marine 2 yet?
What do you think about it?
Me and my friends love it man it’s great.
the more I see about this game the more i wanna get it lol I've never been into warhammer
@@the_takibo not impressed so far. The hype made it seem like it would be a much more immersive combat game. Pretty generic third person shooter really.
I think it needs ultrawide monitor support asap cause right now it's a piece of cr@p for ultrawide users
It’s realllllly good
>Play World Eater marine
>Shoot most of the time
>Hide behind teammates
Oke Alpharius your disguise is very bad
They really did chaos side dirty
@@lordofgrunts22the lack of fighting style is disturbing
@@lordofgrunts22 no chaos customization
can't play as them in pve either like ik it dosent make sense lore wise but who cares it's fun
Actually that's Omegon.
They are using the Greek alphabet. Alpha, Beta & Delta for the points since there isn't a letter C
C=Γ (gamma/γάμμα)
Learned something new today
@Metallomenos you are right sir. But it would only fly that much higher over people's heads if they are not aware.
Warhammer 40c
It should’ve been Gamma don’t know why they jumped to Delta
1:35
Switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading.
This is something that every good Gears player learned, folks haven't picked up on it yet. Key element to closing on kills quickly and moving out before you get flanked or focused by respawning players coming into the fight late.
Captain Priceyyyy
@@aribetterlari ?
Don’t forget Captain price’s teachings
@@SuvoSuffix Price never said that tho.
MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES
The nails are biting with this one🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@@LeHarmacistTHE NAILS
@@CharleyVCU1988 NEXT CHALLENGER👹
Wait a khorne berserker using RANGED WEAPONS!!?
*stares in Bloodstalkers
no blessings of Khorne for this one
A full reward track of predominantly chaos customization exclusive to the pvp side would honestly go really hard
There is.
I assume that they will release that in time.
I like berserkers as the vanguard, but they really need a Chainaxe
Sprint speed should be varied by armor and overall bulkiness, some kind of weight system maybe
It is the phobos armor (vanguard and sniper run faster)
Gravis (heavy) is the slowest
The other classes use tacticus and about the
Just a Tip for anyone using the sniper guy you can cancel the cloak by pressing triangle again save the ability and no long cool down 🎉
Thank you
1:34 Oh that feeling of doing something cool and dying 'cause you forgot to reroad is PAINFUL 😢😭
Found the Asian
@@bluebrew8 what?
@@PIGEON5265 reroad
One thing I don’t like about the pvp is that the melee seems like it is almost useless in pvp. Even though it goes through armor, the guns are just too effective
Flanking my boy plus literal grapple kick to get you close. Also remember melee the damn heavy shoot everyone else
@@jakecarroll4603 you were right asf. I left that comment just from seeing gameplay and after actually playing, the melee is fun and balanced
@@rudyh721 no problem brother the Sons of Malice hunt all our enemies no matter the form they take!
SM2 PVP is a matter of countering, melee has its uses, Vanguards cant grapnel you if youre in their face, Bulworks cant block heavy melee attacks, when figure out comboing with heavy attacks, you will win nearly every melee fight
The PvP is unbalanced garbage. I just can't believe how many people are defending it. On top of a 6 hour campaign AND nearly unplayable servers. Not worth $60 at all.
Man, this game looks so fun to play... There's no way my computer can run it though, the plight of having a decade old PC :(
things will be better
It runs alright for me but my loading screens are extremely long and my computer sounds like its about to catch fire
I'm being honest with you bro, this multiplayer is one of the worst asset flips on the planet. These streamers and youtubers make it look good but its just not. Within an hour of playing the PvP, youll realize how little work was put into it. It feels like it was probably completed in the last 5 hours of development. Insanely unbalanced. Melee doesn't stunlock so its useless. Assault class is beyond useless. 2 heavies and 2 bulwarks on each team because they are so busted. Its not good bro. Take it from a diehard warhammer fan. It's a 6 hour campaign, an unplayable mess for PvP (if you can even CONNECT to a match btw). and a "operations mode" that is already stale after 6 hours of doing those. Not worth $60.
@@damienbuerger1671 >no subscribers
@@damienbuerger1671I find it a ton of fun, and I don't play either class you talked about. It would be nice if there were more maps or modes but that will come with time
Great gameplay, good use of the sidearm and grappling hook to escape. Vanguard looks exceptional.
Something that a lot of folks haven't been doing is hip firing like in Gears of War, and it's a really important tool to maintain mobility and presenting a more difficult target to hit.
I'm also seeing folks tossing their grenades right away in the "general direction." Probably better to hold them for a clutch situation, covering a retreat, pushing or actually bunk busting a position
Good hunting Astartes!
Just because I hadn't seen this raised yet, you can grapple onto heavies and bulwarks to interrupt their shield because the hook stuns them! As vanguard, you pretty much counter these classes
It counters everyrhing
Many plays the assault class not right, its not about high jumps, its about fast moving and hard hitting.
PvP needs at least 2-3 more maps ASAP. 3 maps will getting tiring , quick
Agreed, would like some more variety
Sniper with the bolt carbine is also so strong
It’s all I die to fr. Every game I play where there’s a sniper on the enemy side… he swaps off the rifle and goes for the carbine instead with the cloak. It feels cheesy
“ATTACK IS THE ONLY ORDER I FOLLOW!”
8:19 I must say melee weapons can cut go through armor but so shitty I was kinda expecting more from meele damage ngl. I was hoping vanguard can kill though melee but nah
I got a triple kill by grappling into a group with just the sword. They could of been vulnerable from the tac but it was siiiick
Everyone who hates this PVP hates it because they have to actually have good hit placement and teamwork. No sliding, cover peaking, bunny hopping and laying prone bs here just a solid shooter like we had back in the day. Oh no you can't pay for a skins and weapons that make you better. Oh no 😂. This pvp is a love letter to Unreal Tournament with a splash of Gears. A lot of kids are finding out what a true arena shooter is and I love it
Pros: looks great
Cons: shooting is lacking
What i love about this game is that even the regular ass bolt pistol is super viable. Need a bit of range that your bolter won't cut? The bolt pistol got you covered!
How?
Nothings viable but the burst bolter or the plasma stuff or somehow getting super fast animations as assault with hammer cos everyone has twice the animation speed and no input lag whereas mines horrendous.
Do you know why my TTK is so slow etc when my and fine and I’m hitting shots the desync is just terrible and input lags getting me killed all the time. I press a button twice because it’s so laggy on the input
@@aguy607 trust me, when you're forced to use your bolt pistol because you don't have a primary or have a melta rifle and need that range, you'll see the value of it overtime.
@@aguy607How? Headshots. Stop panic shooting and aim. I actually got more kills last night with well placed pistol shots than the other gun
U do release your can grabble people for immediate health damage followed by melee. Ignores their shields
The assault is amazing gotta treat it like a assasin go in and out never go for long engagement only if certainy conditions are met
Will there be more helldivers
It's been waaaay too long, how much more can we take this lack of content!? :)
probably when the balance patch drops on the 17th
Like from me posting? Yeah 1000%
Just waiting for something new from it :D
@@the_takibodid you try the orbital napalm barrage when it was available?
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
It should be that if you parry a melee attack, a 1v1 initiates and you can only take damage from your opponent with melee and vice versa
To be fair, you're a great gamer. There's a reason why few people play this class in pvp.
Great video! I like the commentary and gameplay. Would you describe yourself as one who delivers these results regularly?
The average space Marine weights between 1 ton and 1 1/2 tons depending on weapons a gear.
I thought vanguard be subpar in PVP and better in PVE but doesnt seem so bad. Skill obviously wins out
Vanguards grapple kick is pretty tricky to deal with in pvp
Grappling hook is great ability, coz it stuns enemy hit with it so you can start bonking with melee first
I like that all the classes counter each other like how bulwark counters heavy, vanguard counters bulwark, tactical counters snipers, and snipers counter assault but I think it should stun other classes than bulwark slightly less just because how easy it makes kills
@@connormcmillan3064 l'invisibilité du sniper et encore pire que le vanguard.
Inglés
Looks really polished ! 💰
Attack The D Point !!!
In lore, the mk10 armour is between 800-1000lbs but space marines are insanely fast. Unfortunately that is a hard thing to integrate into a video game, especially a game with PVP and you need balance. SM walking speed is a little over jogging speed for humans so I do wish the sprint speed was a lot faster but I understand why.
I disagree with parrying being made more important in pvp. It would just become a quick time minigame until someone got shot down.
Unless you dodge. I hate the fact that no one has any incentive to throw hands in PvP when backing up and shooting is both safer and faster.
@@1krani yep pain in the ass when you play Assault and Bulwark
@@raid_shadow7525If you can't rollcatch people playing Assault, you're doing something wrong.
@@evrimenustun9548 I meant it as when you start swinging you’re dead before the final swing to kill someone
The World eaters are crying after seeing one of their marine shooting most of the time and not fighting with a chain sword like a maniac :(
They really need to rework chaos marines to make them not just reskins. Unique playstyles are necessary for them
I hope they let you customize the chaos legions in the future.
6:17 That space marine floating like that kinda sus
You can drop on them with your melee attack. it does a lot of damage.
I got a triple kill by grappling into a group with just the sword. This class is fun
assault is fun! just need the thunder hammer
In a way I'm kinda glad parrying isn't in the pvp. Parry spam would be absurd, and combined with the hammer that 2-3 shots you, yeah I think I'm good with the coin flip we already have.
no more helldivers 2 ? I enjoyed it. Thanks takibo for these moments.
The Carbine’s good, just have to close the distance.
13:08
I would've gone to melee him if I can't beat them in a gunfire close range after grappling in. Damage is damage after all. You'll put mental pressure onto your enemy for your next teammates when they face them.
We need lightning claws and chain axes STAT
c stands for chaos
Bulwark and heavy are my favorite so far
Because they are insanely busted, hence why there is 2 and 2 on each team taking it even remotely serious.
@damienbuerger1671 agreed but they can't neef heavy ima still love it 😂 normal hate that style of class but it's just so satisfying in this game. Nothing better than an assault who thinks he can kill me before I mow him down lol
He's basically a slower more tactical ruin from bo4
Been playing PVP and I gotta say, I wish my teammates were half as good as yours
will you cover the new Ready or Not DLC maps?
Least Khornate Khorne Berzerker
Does the gun stop shooting when you get hit? My gun seems to stop shooting even tho I have the trigger pulled.
You have to grapple high and so you drop down on ledges
C is for Chaos, so it's not allowed
My main class in pve and pvp. Is just too fun.
PVP let's go. haven't seen a lot of it.
C is for chaos.
Idk the assault is pretty good if you know how to use it
"ATTACK THE D POINT"
Are you playing on pc because the gun combat looks completely different on xbox
Also has anyone had any problems with inconsistent hit boxes and damage rates
I'll be honest, on the receiving end, Vanguard is probably the least annoying. The title of most annoying goes to Bulwark and Assault, and that's entirely a hitbox thing.
Yeah assault is bad unless you have a good team to support and take enemy attention off you. The time to kill is so low melee really needs a buff to make up for its longer kill time.
Best sleeper class is sniper with smg
are the levels in pvp and missions different?
I had no clue this game even had pvp
If you grapple heavies you nullify their shield
how do you get the khorne helmet? wtf.
Надеюсь они добавят систему казней ,чтоб тимейт мог поднять тебя а враг добить
I feel like this is the best class for a 1v1 I have a lot of success.
they need a khorne beserker
They should defo focus on co op
I know its greek alphabet but
It doesn't help Cadia is gone
So, no C point
I wish 3rd parties would leave my chainsword battles alone
The vanguard is screwed now. His super is almost useless after the patch in pvp.
What's up legend!
Vanguard should have been Nightlord
Honestly, you almost didnt use the grapple. Should use it more ngl
Can't play it with my controller tried everything
I'm not entirely digging the PVP but the rest of the game is just so good! Thanks for the video~
Takibo! Legend! Where's helldivers 2?
Nice to see something other than, drop a grenade and then stun so it kills them. Game needs some good balancing passes at least for console. Feels like frag grenades should do 50-75% hp and krak grenades should be an instant kill if stuck but instead krak doesn't kill and frags are the low skill ez button. 2 swing lills with thunder hammer and it has aoe, parry doesnt so anything in pvp, bolt pistol is extremely underwhelming considering its the only option for some classes
Skill issue.
A, B, D.
Alpha, Beta, Delta.
And i try with my bulwark to melee all enemies
Assault isn't bad... just not your thing My G.
I love this PVP gameplay right now my bro. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊✊❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆
Assault class is S+ tier,,,,,,
Am I the only one annoyed by the constantly rotating aim reticle?
It's to show he can use the grapple hook
it can win easily you grapple and spray into the head you are spraying chest
Gg❤❤
Sniper 1v1 will dominate pretty much any other class, sorry to say. If it can't then you are playing the class wrong.
This kind of reminds me of uncharted 4s multiplayer, nothing crazy innovative but really good fun for a while. Shame it died off pretty quick
game looks fun
C is for Concord is it does not exist
I find the time to kill in the game perfect but then you got the people who like to bitch and moan about everything lil so i guess we'll find out how long till we hear people bitching about it
‘’man this gun is terrible’. Gets 20 to 2
What ive noticed is that almost all Vanguards play the same
If you try to melee rush them, they wont melee back, rather they will back away while shooting you
If they grapel you they will almost always knife you to death as they havent figured out chainswords yet
They will either flank or flee if they arent doing one of those other things
Literally every single Vanguard i have seen do these things, they manage to be so uniquely annoying yet so weirdly predictable, thats the downside to vanguard, they are typically easy to predict and that makes them easy to kill
Playing with the chaos factions ?!?! HERESY !!!!