@@jackson4162 Yeah, it would. To speak in terms of metaphors, the kindling for igniting the war was already laid out. Paris just tossed in the match. If Paris didn't do it, sooner or later, someone else would break the truce and declared war.
Hector's style of saying 'war is sweet to those who have no experience of it' was great... truly there is no glory and heroism in any war...because he experienced it...
The elders of Troy allowed the war to happen, but none of them have to do any actual fighting. They all watched comfortably from a high tower while Hector was fighting.
@@gilliantohver3225 Some lessons we are doomed to learn again in every generation. We can memorialise the science of Archimedes for all time but each generation fails to grasp this truth you said about wars. Disturbing to see a drift to a global conflict today.
Hector is the epitomy of what a man should embody. Honor, integrity, loyalty, wise, masculine, strong, and seeks peace and harmony instead of war and chaos.
In the Iliad Helen loved Menelaus who was described as a very handsome man but Paris took her with him because Aphrodite (the goddess of love) had promised him the most beautiful woman in the world (Helen ). In some stories (not in the Iliad) Helen is in love with Paris in many others (Iliad which is the original and other poems) instead she was kidnapped, hated and treated as a slut ... at the end of the war she returned home with Menelaus and lived happily. Many Trojans hated her because she was considered the reason for the war even though she had been forced to marry Paris because of Aphrodite ... only Hector was kind to her.
You Mode this isn’t really accurate. The Iliad doesn’t specify whether Helen truly loved Menelaus (it’s more likely that she did not). You’re right about everything else though!!
@@mariawajahat3613 no man. In the illiad she even said to Paris that she hoped that Menelaus (her husband) had killed him in their duel. She hated being there with him... only hector was kind to her. She was a princess, not a warrior. She wouldn’t have been able to fight and go back because Aphrodite herself made so that Paris could take her. Helen couldn’t do anything against Aphrodite.
@@insultlk no u can understand that she loved him because she used words like dear husband or something (in Greek) when she talked about him but on today’s society arranged marriage it’s looked as a bad thing (even though it shouldn’t be). In the end she returned to him. Btw I’m talking about the myths. Let’s not talk about that shitty movie.
You Mode no, it was unclear whether Helen wanted to be there. There were many lines in the book where she supported Paris. Also, she never directly told Paris she did not want to be there. It’s true that Helen couldn’t do much against Aphrodite but according to the Iliad she didn’t make her opinion known to Paris, and even the reader was given very vague clues.
@@mariawajahat3613 what are u saying? 😂She literally wished for his (París) death during his duel with Menelaus (her husband). She literally told him that. She didn’t want to be there. Every troyan thought that she was the reason behind the war and that it was all her fault but instead it was Aphrodite and Paris’ fault. Only hector was kind to her. The poor man died for his spoiled brother. She never wanted to be there with him. You should reread the myth Maria
Hector is one of the most down to Earth centered heroes in this epic. Hector knows the Gods do not interfere in the affairs of men and the actions people take have consequences. Something that not even the King of Troy understands till the very end. However despite knowing what is to come he stays the course and fights the best way he can. In many ways Hector is Troy's answer to Odysseus. I have a feeling both men would get along quite well. The difference between the two is Hector is direct and Odysseus is cunning and uses the mind over pure force.
Pure force, indeed, but also values. Rewatching the fight between Hector and Achilles, I'm always amazed at how brilliantly they filmed it. Hector, through Eric Bana, was technically a bulky man, much stronger physically than Brad Pitt's Achilles. But the way they filmed it, the gap in power between the two is not in favour of Hector, who almost looks like a child playing swords with an adult.
@@Demowan Speed and technique play a factor. That's why they have weight classes in MMA and it's far harder to get into the Bantum or Feather Classes. A faster well versed opponent can take down the much larger fighter given they are slower. People think weight classes are designed to protect the smaller man. It's not. It's to protect the bigger bulkier ones. You'll also notice the lighter weight classes in the UFC are far bloodier and more aggressive than the Heavy Weights.
@@JRGProjects I’m sorry but this isn’t always true, especially when the difference in size is simply too big of a gap (think mcgregor versus someone like hafthor bjornson, I know the latter isn’t an MMA fighter but there was actually a pseudo fight between the two) the sheer difference in strenght, size, reach and toughness completely overwhelms the difference in agility and skills. But not only that, in many cases peoples seriously underestimate how fast and agile an heavyweight fighter can be. Peoples assume that bigger always means slower, thats until you face off someone who towers over you and match your speed if not completely outmatch your speed
Hector carried the sins of his family and whole Troy at the back of his shoulders and never questioned it why because it was his life burden to carry. True man and a hero.
Menelaus wasn't that unhonorabke aswell actually, the man sought to make peace with troy and some troy prince gutted his wife. Id do exactly as menelaus did
@@catssassine2278 menelaus in the actual Iliad story and in this movie are vastly different. In the Iliad, Menelaus was an honorable king whom Helen returned to at the end of the war. Menelaus in this movie is portrayed as a vicious brute , who along with his brother look to not only get his wife back but destroy Troy.
Yeah and the idea that Helton kills Menalaos is laughable. Helen is more or less kidnapped in various versions of the legend (or forced by the gods to fall in love with Paris). Menalaos and Helen are both back home and doing pretty well in the Odyssey- a cruel irony at the time in the poem because Odysseus isn’t home yet
Well, to be fair , there were like 9 other cities in layers above and below Troy, so it wasnt the first time a city on that spot had been razed to the ground, or the last either. They fought there all the time because it was a prime location on the Aegean sea. Paris taking Helen was just the excuse Agamemnon needed to cancel the peace treaty and finish his conquest.
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Hector didn't do anything wrong during the whole movie. He was an impeccable husband, father, brother, son, fighter, and leader. I always felt bad for him.
The dynamic between Achillies and Hector was brilliant. One of them is driven by vanity and glory, the other is driven of duty and honour. An incredible movie.
“Then I’ll die fighting” Lmfao if you cared about Troy he would’ve died in the duel and not let thousands of women by raped by the Spartans, babies thrown off walls, & men decapitated. Love is love but all for one woman
@@naromngin but given Menelaus' wrath being satisfied. He kinda implied that he's satisfied with the death of Paris, unlike his brother. That'll create division. And division in an army like this can be fatal
First he starts a war that destroys his country and next he decides to kill Achilles when he was obviously trying to help his cousin from getting killed :)
He didn't kill an enemy at that point. He further solidified Troy's doom by killing a man who was already fighting for it's salvation. He made every wrong decision he could possibly make in that short time in his life and it's permanence is felt even today. Thousands of years later.
Btw to anyone who says Agamemnon was coming for Troy anyway, that was still a few years in the future and Troy would’ve had much more time to prepare, Paris is just the worst
It would not have happened at all . Menelaus was precisely making peace with Troy , if Agamemnon went to battle without casus belli and without Sparta he would’ve been doomed .
It was too late anyway. Agamemnon needed an excuse to go to war. Returning Helen to Sparta like spoiled goods? Nah it was game over when Paris took her.
@@wandilesithole3710 Achilles’s fate was written since before he was born. He was to die during the Trojan war. That’s why his mother tried desperately to distance him from it, even disguising him as a girl, but quite unsuccessfully. He knew he was going to die but went to war anyway. In the Greek pantheon of heroes, Achilles is the freaking GOAT.
I hate Paris and Helen more than Menelaus and Agamemnon.... "Do you love me brother? Would you protect me against any enemy?"...a few minutes later "I won't ask you to fight my war."....and then a coward makes Hector fight his war
Right!! My personal favorites are Hector and Priam, the most Noble and Honorable men in the movie! I hated Agamemnon, Paris, and somewhat Achilles, Menelaus at least had some honor. And Helen, at least she felt guilty and wanted to go back, and even comforted Andromache the wife of Hector, another favorite of mine!
@@Aemilius46 Same here but I didn't hate Achilles...and Helen was as irritating as beautiful...she already knew Menelaus in details just like she analysed him to Paris so her "feeling guilty" meant nothing....I've watched this movie so many times and now again after you answered my comment lol
Hector is a beautiful character....so brave,strong and honest and Eric Bana is a wonderful actor..I love Hector and Eric is a stunning man...I have always been team Hector and I always will be
If he had the choice, there would have been three things I would changed in this film. 1) Have Paris killed. 2) Have the role Aeneas be more of a supporting role (played by Ben Affleck, first name popped in my head), and have as playing an active part in the film, and help more Trojans escaped. 3) And have Paris killed.
4) Remove the Achilles/Briseis romance. It didn’t feel convincing to me at all, Briseis liking him only bc he keeps her safe made their romance feel contrived. And it would really show Achilles’ more kindhearted nature, if he defended her without being in love with her. 5) Keep the Achilles/Patroclus romance from the original poem.
@@samwisehuluberlu2210 Curious why? The reason why I thought of him was because of his role in Shakespeare in Love, who played a supporting character, (Like I said first choice that popped in my head)
I would have included Diomedes and Aneas in this film as there roles of the second best warriors of the Greeks and the Trojans both adding some tragedy and nuance to the story.With Diomedes being similar to hector in the sense of fighting for what he believes is right for the future of Greece only to realize over time he and the Greeks are fighting for nothing but Agamemnons pride power and greed .Aneas is in the beginning very similar to Achilles as he starts out only interested in fighting for his own personal glory in the Trojan army but over time becomes disillusioned with warfare and learns how to be the defender and leader of the people of Troy that Paris should of been instead of the irresponsible greedy lustful selfish coward he was. Thus ending the movie with Diomedes allowing Aneas to depart with the survivors of Troy after Agamemnons and Paris’s (should have been much more unsympathetic in the film)deaths.
John Rhys Davies also portrayed King Priam, and one of the most prominent lines he said to Paris in Helen of Troy is this: "You steal the King of Sparta's wife and you bring her here with the entire Aegean Fleet on your heels and you expect us to turn a blind eye to your wanton frolics!".
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μOh, I'm with ya.....I'd have turned that boat around, gone back and been like ..look king, here's your woman, unharmed and safe... please accept the absolute shit-kicking I'm about to give my little brother, as an apology lol
@@zachschaefer3824 yes. I know that for plot reasons war must take place but I never understood why in the world, did Priam and hector, two honourable and noble people let Paris keep Helen and didn't punish him
I always wondered why Hector didn't just have Paris tied to the mast of the ship so he couldn't interfere and have Helen sent on a row boat in the opposite direction. Harsh, I know but so is endangering your kingdom for a booty call.
@@edwin.arevalo2002 The provocation would still be used as a reason for starting the war. Agamemnon wanted to invade Troy and even if they returned Helen to Menelaus and he killed Paris, Menelaus would likely still be convinced by Agamemnon to invade. It was simply too late at this point, Troy was caught between Paris' stupidity and Agamemnon's ambition. The only thing Hector would be doing at this point by giving up Paris would be cosigning him to his death for little practical reason.
Hector was the Hero of this film he gave up his family he fought fir his country to the death and he saved his wimp of a brother. GOD I hated Paris he got his brother, father, killed and countless of his countries fellowmen
Loved so much about this film, the fight choreography, the scenery, the wardrobe. The blue of the sea and the blues in their tunics and jewellery is inspired, it feels so right, like a window into the ancient world. Bana's acting here is just sublime, all the acting is good but his is superb and the script is so strong.
Many people say the war and fall of Troy is Paris' fault. I think Helen ran away with him is just the triggers. Regardless she ran away with him or not, eventually the Greeks will still go and attack Troy regardless. It was just a matter of time
Not really. Menelaus was a man of his word and clearly favored peace . Paris managed to wrong the one man who took Troy’s side . And Agamemnon couldn’t launch an offensive without Menelaus support as they could barely take Troy even with his Spartans.
@@stormbringer2840 Agamemnon was the King of Greece though. It was The Oath everyone in Greece promised during Helen’s wedding that would cause this alliance. However, Agamemnon had more than enough men to take on Troy, it was just a matter of breaking through Troy’s Gate.
@@m.c.martin Agamemnon wasn't the king of greece but of Myceanea , the most powerfull king in greece but not the king OF greece ( he was an Hegemonic king if you prefer ). So yeah Menelaus being at the origin of the Oath his input was absolutely necessary to start a war , and No agamemnon didn't have enough men by himself , even with all the forces of greece he only barely got through Troy and could've died at any point .
Aye pretty much every City in Greece had its own King, Agamemnon was simply one of the most Influential, and had a Pact with the other Kings of Greece.
Hector should have exiled Paris and Helen and told Menelaus that he has no idea where they have gone. He might have not believed him but it might have taken the target off Troy's back since all he cared about was capturing those idiot lovebirds. Sure, it would have meant they would never be able to stop running but they would still have a chance and Troy would be safe.
Thos was literally talked by Paris and Helen in the movie. Paris suggested they run away so Troy would not burn. But Helen specifically said Menalaus would still burn the city just to make sure the Trojans were not lying. This prompted Paris to duel Menalaus instead.
Wouldn't work. Memelaus would never have believed a word that the Trojans would say to him and Agemmenon wanted an excuse to conquer the city. It would had only slowed down the Greek's plans to attack Troy but not stop them.
Paris: *wants to start a war for a woman* Hector: "What have you done, brother?! Are you nuts?!!" Menelaus: *wants to start a war for a woman* Agamemnon: "Finally..."
Just imagine you are the king of Sparta and a neighborhood country's playboy stole your wife and your kingdom ' s queen and wouldn't do anything about it ! tell me genius what would you have done if you were menelaus
Except menelas is kinda right here. It was a peace celebration. Imagine signing peace with a country after 10 years of war and invite them to celebrate and they take your fucking wive. Worst, in a lot of version, she didn’t love him. Paris kidnapped her. The only way to do a bigger offense than that would have been to stab the king in the back right during the ceremony.
can't blame Agamemmon and Menelaus... Imagine a pathetic pussy whipped playboy comes and steals a king's wife... it is an attack on the honor of the kings
The real ending: Trojans: "Here you go, take her, she wasn't that good anyway." Menelaus: "$#@#^&&!". Agamemnon: "Let's unite all of Greece to fight for dishonouring our sister." Odysseus: "I've got a better idea..." **Helen boards ship to Egypt**
@@alitanicholas9579Helen was the wife of Menelaus, not her sister. The mythical tale of her chilling in Egypt for the entire war after being replaced by a copy made out of clouds is great though.
-I go with her -Uhmm...no.....guards, as the rightful heir to the throne of Troy, I order you to lock my little brother up in the ship, while I bring back Helene to Sparta, and apologize to our allies.
Funny that Paris was mythologically chosen to judge the beauty of three goddesses do to his “exemplary fairness”, and yet he thought it fair to ask thousands to die, and to allow his own brother to die for him, over a woman. Ironic. Nobody in Greek mythology saw the flaw in that?
To be fair, I blame the Greek kings for being so prideful... like, she wouldn't of left if he was actually a good husband, but Paris DOES know how the kings are and is just romanticizing this way too much...
@@anonymous-yq4wc Dude, he was literally flirting with other women in front of her, and it's heavily implied he's doing more behind closed doors. She wasn't open with her feelings for Paris before leaving, and it's shown how much she craves being in a loving relationship. In other versions, Paris kidnaps her and the king was the one devoted to her, so he was seeking revenge on Paris and keeping her from being assaulted more than if he let her go. It's usually either men being whores that start the war. I know modern women love being hoes, but it's obvious she either wasn't the whore.
Exactly! I’m seriously glad I’m not the only one who thinks this I like this movie a lot but I just don’t like the outcome not that I necessarily don’t like the ending or it’s bad I just don’t like the outcome, Obviously I don’t want to see Brad Pitt die😂, But seriously the fact that the idiot pretty boy prince who basically caused the death of not only his brother but his father AND country now gets to roam free with the girl he stole…..and now Breseis is left miserable as her would be future husband dies…. Yea it still rubs me the wrong way over 15 years later
I'm soooooo relieved you two think like that too....I'm doing my honours nd I'm to to study illiad nd that's all fine cus I love Greek mythology nd stuff ....bt , I swear everytime i do have to go through the character of this pathetic excuse of a prince nd even more disgusting excuse of "love" he apparently had for Helen , I feel sick . PS . Reminds me of Ferdinand and Miranda's "love" that would make you do 360° eyerolls 👀
@@blankspace5185 In fact, in the actual story, it’s said Paris died to buy Aeneas time to flee with the Trojans and is shot 3 times by arrows while Menelaus yells at him. So yes, Paris does actually die in Troy
Then, an enraged Aragorn shakes hands and joins forces with Sauron! Soon, the entire Middle Earth will fall to the combined might of Gondor and Mordor!!!😁
Even if Hector returned Helen and Paris, the Greeks will still seek to conquer Troy. Truth is even if Paris never met Helen, the Greeks were already plotting to get Troy. It was a ticking time bomb, its just unfortunate that it happened before Priam's rule ended. He worked so hard to keep that peace during his lifetime.
I've just finished reading the Iliad and I'm surprised how well they kept to Homers script in this film. Not bad considering this story was written almost 3000 years ago.
Pretty much - Hector doesn't kill Menelaus in the Iliad which seems to be the biggest piece of artistic license but for the most part Wolfgang Peterson did a masterful job with the screenplay and the scenery.
They barely kept to the Iliad at all. Several very important characters aren't even in the film and the chronology of events and character deaths is completely different. Really the only thing this movie has in common with Iliad are the names.
@@1furious who was left out and what was the inconsistencies of the chronology order apart from the obvious changes Hollywood made. (Menelaus being killed by Hector is obviously not original and the siege lasted 10years not 17 days as in the film troy, Achilles and Patroclus were actually best friends in the poem rather being cousins in the film ) I'm not being funny im genuinely interested. For a bashed up Hollywood rendition one can't complain too much when they are known for absolutely changing everything in a film.
@@jimcraig9882 Well for an initial correction, Patroclus and Achilles in mythology are actually cousins. Specifically first cousins once removed. Patroclus is also older than Achilles. But beyond that, Diomedes isn't in the film, Nestor takes a very background role, Rhesus isn't in the film, the two Ajax's are combined into one character, Teucer is absent, Briseis is fused partially with Chryseis and Cassandra. And in the Trojan Cycle, Paris didn't survive the Trojan War. Agamemnon did. Andromache was enslaved. Hector's son was killed by Achilles' son Neoptolemus (also absent from the film). Agamemnon's characterisation in general is just completely wrong. The idea of him just wanting to conquer Troy is completely undermined by him completely annihilating it at the end. Nothing left to control. His motive in the Cycle is entirely for his brother's honour. He is also a front-line warrior who is second only to Achilles (and tied with Ajax the Greater and Diomedes). Achilles never makes it inside the walls of Troy. His death is actually what prompts the creation of the Trojan Horse, since the Greeks do not believe they can win without him. The concept of Achilles' heel is actually a Roman invention. In the Iliad, Achilles is actually wounded in combat by a Paeonian called Asteropaios (also absent from the film). So, yeah there are actually quite a lot of differences. Many characters either missing or fused into other characters. The entire Trojan Cycle was extremely condensed for the movie, which is understandable. They obviously removed the divine influences but decided to go a bit further and throw in some atheistic subtext. And the sequence of events, especially with character deaths, is somewhat disorganised. I can enjoy the movie for what it is but when I read the Iliad I was intrigued by how different it was from the movie.
One thing I find unique about this film, is that you don't find yourself rooting for any one side. In the end there are only 5 characters you can rally behind. You can't side with Achilles because he wanted glory and was willing to kill people who did nothing to him. He also desecrated Hector out of spite. You can't side with Paris because he kicked off a war. Menalaus was not faithful to Helen as we see at the party. Also a dick move to marry someone that is way younger. Priam was a fool for embracing this conflict instead of taking the peaceful option after all his hard work. His hubris costed him everything. Agamemnon was looking for an excuse for war the entire time and was too dangerous to be alive with that kind of army. That trojan priest was a bit of a wild card and one that went against Troy in hindsight. Helen is the reason the war starts and she knew it. It was her choice to go and she knew she fucked up when Hector went to fight Achilles. Hector however never wanted war but he follows through for his brother who hung him out to dry. He is also just trying to defend his country. He is also very perceptive and knows when not to fight. Odysseus is only here to ensure Ithaca doesn't get trampled by Agamemnon. Glaucous was just a general rising to meet a threat. Though his beliefs would prove costly. Achilles' right hand man was just a punching bag and didn't deserve to be beaten. Lastly, poor Patroclus was just fighting for his country and stepped up to the plate. He was martyred. Hector takes the cake though no question. I honestly don't know what to think when it comes to Briseis. EDIT: Helen might have been under a spell. If that is true she gets a pass.
In defense of Menalaus that was the norm back then, once a girl hit puberty which could be between 12 and 14 she was considered marriageable and essentially property of the men in her life. Funnily enough though if you were a woman in Greece Sparta was probably the best place to live. The women could own property and work, they could attend and participate in sporting events, they could even learn to fight, and they were essentially married only in name because they really only had to see their husbands when they needed to have babies. Otherwise they lived a communal lifestyle with other women.
Yeah i wonder that too Briseis was just a priestess for Dionysos, She might got by Stockholm syndrome but other then that she is blame less in my opinion...
"Have you ever killed a man? Ever seen a man die in combat? Ever been in a cockpit before? Ever seen a grown man naked? Do you ever...hang around a gymnasium? Do you like movies about gladiators?"
Paris - " I won't ask you to fight my war"
Hector the entire movie - *fighting Paris's war*
He said even then he will die fighting. Well we saw where that went in his duel with Menelaus xD
He didn't ask him. He *made* him.
Paris: "Do you love me bother, would you protect me against any enemy ?"
Paris (5 mins later): "I wON'T aSk you to FighT mY WaR"
There would have been war eventually Agamemnon was looking for an excuse
@@jackson4162 Yeah, it would. To speak in terms of metaphors, the kindling for igniting the war was already laid out. Paris just tossed in the match. If Paris didn't do it, sooner or later, someone else would break the truce and declared war.
I love the moment when Paris says "Do you love me brother?" and Hector gives him a look like "The fuck did you do this time?"
“The last time you (Paris) said that to me was when we were 10 and you had just stolen fathers horse” 😂
🤣🤣🤣
Lol I thought the same damn thing! I left a similar comment then saw yours xD
bro i would beat that dudes ass in front of his woman.
When you're an older brother you get used to it. I'm speaking from experience
Hector: Do you want to watch Troy burn?
Paris: Well yes
Ugh why didn't Paris die and kill off Hector, the real honorable prince of Troy?!!
Ultimate sorry not sorry
@Say what Nope I know right? That clown doomed them all. He is NO prince nor heir of Troy. Hector was the true heir
@@FlashEarth89 You're right Paris is Fool
He only cares his pleasure. He don't even think the consequences of what he has done
He was young and stupid. As the usual an young youth who hasn't experienced what Hector went through.
Hector’s rant on the reality of war and killing really struck home with me
Makes me sick seeing people on UA-cam glamorize war when they never even been near a war zone.
@@rc59191 i love war movies , but i would never want to be in a real warzone , noooo sir
@@Chimera936 there's nothing wrong with enjoying war movies and games it's natural.
That's are hard pads for me too but I'm thankful there are people who do
I wouldn't exactly call it a rant. he was just stating facts.
Paris: i WilL diE "fighting".
*After beat up by fat old king..
*Crawls and grab his brothers leg. Bringing shame to his whole kingdom.*
Menelaus has that old man strenght tho.
Total beta😂
Il coraggio non te lo puoi dare. Rapire Elena era il massimo che sapesse fare. Affrontare Menelao no.
@@brunoder303Menelaus is a warrior. Paris had no chance. There's no Disney bs where hope and the power of friendship wins in the end..lol
Total War II: "A shameful display."
Eric Bana deserved a best supporting actor nomination for this film, his
Performance is criminally underrated.
My fav in the entire movie
@@VictorW8 mine as well. Pure honor and dignity.
He’s hector correct?
@@thewhitedevilfromthebible5899yes
Agreed.
Hector's style of saying 'war is sweet to those who have no experience of it' was great...
truly there is no glory and heroism in any war...because he experienced it...
The elders of Troy allowed the war to happen, but none of them have to do any actual fighting. They all watched comfortably from a high tower while Hector was fighting.
reminds me a lot of Eomer's speech to Eowyn in the extended edition of return of the king
War is always evil, and no one has the moral high ground in it. It is a death-spiral into immorality and cruelty for every party involved.
@@TheMonkeygoneapebut the LOTR movies (don’t know about the books) does fantasize war to a high extent.
@@gilliantohver3225 Some lessons we are doomed to learn again in every generation. We can memorialise the science of Archimedes for all time but each generation fails to grasp this truth you said about wars. Disturbing to see a drift to a global conflict today.
Hector's acting is SO DAMN GOOD
Eric Bana's acting!
Eric Bana was an awesome actor. Too bad he stopped landing so many lead roles as before.
Underrated actor
Orlando Bloom is a great actor too
@@MrKarlozz nah
Hector is the epitomy of what a man should embody. Honor, integrity, loyalty, wise, masculine, strong, and seeks peace and harmony instead of war and chaos.
And able to spell 'epitome'
@@chadhogan4979😂😂😂
In the Iliad Helen loved Menelaus who was described as a very handsome man but Paris took her with him because Aphrodite (the goddess of love) had promised him the most beautiful woman in the world (Helen ). In some stories (not in the Iliad) Helen is in love with Paris in many others (Iliad which is the original and other poems) instead she was kidnapped, hated and treated as a slut ... at the end of the war she returned home with Menelaus and lived happily.
Many Trojans hated her because she was considered the reason for the war even though she had been forced to marry Paris because of Aphrodite ... only Hector was kind to her.
You Mode this isn’t really accurate. The Iliad doesn’t specify whether Helen truly loved Menelaus (it’s more likely that she did not). You’re right about everything else though!!
@@mariawajahat3613 no man. In the illiad she even said to Paris that she hoped that Menelaus (her husband) had killed him in their duel. She hated being there with him... only hector was kind to her. She was a princess, not a warrior. She wouldn’t have been able to fight and go back because Aphrodite herself made so that Paris could take her. Helen couldn’t do anything against Aphrodite.
@@insultlk no u can understand that she loved him because she used words like dear husband or something (in Greek) when she talked about him but on today’s society arranged marriage it’s looked as a bad thing (even though it shouldn’t be). In the end she returned to him. Btw I’m talking about the myths. Let’s not talk about that shitty movie.
You Mode no, it was unclear whether Helen wanted to be there. There were many lines in the book where she supported Paris. Also, she never directly told Paris she did not want to be there. It’s true that Helen couldn’t do much against Aphrodite but according to the Iliad she didn’t make her opinion known to Paris, and even the reader was given very vague clues.
@@mariawajahat3613 what are u saying? 😂She literally wished for his (París) death during his duel with Menelaus (her husband). She literally told him that. She didn’t want to be there. Every troyan thought that she was the reason behind the war and that it was all her fault but instead it was Aphrodite and Paris’ fault. Only hector was kind to her. The poor man died for his spoiled brother. She never wanted to be there with him. You should reread the myth Maria
"do you know how many years our father worked for peace?!" ..... "I love her" 👁👄👁
Oh and that makes it all okay, doesn't it? Paris and Anakin: The two dudes who caused all kinds of problems thinking with their dicks
He literally spit in his fathers face for some kitty. No honor at all
@@brandongarcia9344 That's what he did when he was Bill Turner as well lmao
@@Mr.GenesisThat was underage kitty too
@@kinGsaL1515 okay and? When the movie came out I was 6 so tell me more about underage kitty.
3:16 I love how the guards are on break and as soon as they see Menelaus walking their direction, they all get right up.
lol awwww
Maybe they are not on break, just chillin 😂
me and my workmates at 4 PM 😂
they're on a 18 hours shift, give them a break!!
At ease!!
Hector is one of the most down to Earth centered heroes in this epic. Hector knows the Gods do not interfere in the affairs of men and the actions people take have consequences. Something that not even the King of Troy understands till the very end. However despite knowing what is to come he stays the course and fights the best way he can.
In many ways Hector is Troy's answer to Odysseus. I have a feeling both men would get along quite well. The difference between the two is Hector is direct and Odysseus is cunning and uses the mind over pure force.
Acili & Troy von no mader their death they von all wars
Pure force, indeed, but also values.
Rewatching the fight between Hector and Achilles, I'm always amazed at how brilliantly they filmed it. Hector, through Eric Bana, was technically a bulky man, much stronger physically than Brad Pitt's Achilles. But the way they filmed it, the gap in power between the two is not in favour of Hector, who almost looks like a child playing swords with an adult.
@@Demowan Speed and technique play a factor. That's why they have weight classes in MMA and it's far harder to get into the Bantum or Feather Classes. A faster well versed opponent can take down the much larger fighter given they are slower. People think weight classes are designed to protect the smaller man. It's not. It's to protect the bigger bulkier ones. You'll also notice the lighter weight classes in the UFC are far bloodier and more aggressive than the Heavy Weights.
Of all the great sports before mma, you pick the weakest...mma..lol
@@JRGProjects
I’m sorry but this isn’t always true, especially when the difference in size is simply too big of a gap (think mcgregor versus someone like hafthor bjornson, I know the latter isn’t an MMA fighter but there was actually a pseudo fight between the two) the sheer difference in strenght, size, reach and toughness completely overwhelms the difference in agility and skills.
But not only that, in many cases peoples seriously underestimate how fast and agile an heavyweight fighter can be. Peoples assume that bigger always means slower, thats until you face off someone who towers over you and match your speed if not completely outmatch your speed
2:27 Hectors dumbfounded face 😂😂
I couldn’t stop laughing at the sheer disgust at his brother’s stupidity 🤣🤣
"Oh well that sounds heroic to you, doesn't it?"
The OG "bruh" look 😂😂😂
The actor was good.
Hector was the most honorable person in the whole movie and he ultimately became the fall guy because his pansy brother couldn’t keep it in his pants.
Man if that ain’t true 😂
Hector carried the sins of his family and whole Troy at the back of his shoulders and never questioned it why because it was his life burden to carry. True man and a hero.
Menelaus wasn't that unhonorabke aswell actually, the man sought to make peace with troy and some troy prince gutted his wife. Id do exactly as menelaus did
@@catssassine2278 menelaus in the actual Iliad story and in this movie are vastly different. In the Iliad, Menelaus was an honorable king whom Helen returned to at the end of the war. Menelaus in this movie is portrayed as a vicious brute , who along with his brother look to not only get his wife back but destroy Troy.
Yeah and the idea that Helton kills Menalaos is laughable.
Helen is more or less kidnapped in various versions of the legend (or forced by the gods to fall in love with Paris).
Menalaos and Helen are both back home and doing pretty well in the Odyssey- a cruel irony at the time in the poem because Odysseus isn’t home yet
Imagine an entire civilization going extinct cause someone couldn't keep it in their pants
Technically they didn't go entirely extinct, some Men and Women managed to escape!
@@Aemilius46 and they all traveled to Italy, becoming the ancestors to the first founders of **ROME**
@@lionspride4821Shit, it goes beyond rome. The seeds of its destruction essentially lead to the foundation of Europe
@@demaistre2458 True, Rome colonized the hell out of Europe.
Well, to be fair , there were like 9 other cities in layers above and below Troy, so it wasnt the first time a city on that spot had been razed to the ground, or the last either. They fought there all the time because it was a prime location on the Aegean sea. Paris taking Helen was just the excuse Agamemnon needed to cancel the peace treaty and finish his conquest.
Hector is the Hero in this Film......i love his character,his loyalty,his words and how he delivered perfectly 💜💜💪true hero💪True legend
Troy Ewen he die ye von all wars
That handshake and facial expressions was scary... gave me chills..
Manly men and grim, necessary deeds.
How I always embraced my friends and Lil Brother. All the time.
Hector didn't do anything wrong during the whole movie. He was an impeccable husband, father, brother, son, fighter, and leader. I always felt bad for him.
So thought I, sire
Hector was a warrior, a true brother, a loyal son and a faithful husband.
One cannot ask for more in a man, can
The Battle with Achille is unfair
@@marioscafroglia The rock was on Achilles's side.
nah, hector betray everything he loved by letting the ship went to troy instead of going back to sparta
2:27 should be a meme
Agreed
The face he makes in response? Agreed 😂
Bitchh you aint that guy😂😂😂😂😂
already is
👍
IMO, Eric Bana was the true star of this epic! He was so damn good! Hes such an underrated actor!
The dynamic between Achillies and Hector was brilliant. One of them is driven by vanity and glory, the other is driven of duty and honour. An incredible movie.
2:26 Hector's face is the perfect face of a man who just heard the stupidest thing he ever heard
“Then I’ll die fighting” Lmfao if you cared about Troy he would’ve died in the duel and not let thousands of women by raped by the Spartans, babies thrown off walls, & men decapitated. Love is love but all for one woman
Lies again? Cheating wife
not true because they said they would still attack after the duel was over
@@NazriB whaaat?
@@naromnginthe Duel never would have happened if Paris hadn’t eloped with Helen…
@@naromngin but given Menelaus' wrath being satisfied. He kinda implied that he's satisfied with the death of Paris, unlike his brother. That'll create division. And division in an army like this can be fatal
First he starts a war that destroys his country and next he decides to kill Achilles when he was obviously trying to help his cousin from getting killed :)
But he was supposed to be the childhood friend of Achillies and his lover.
@@orkoskang7967 I see but I’m just focusing on this movie in general
@@orkoskang7967 no he wasn’t Paris was the enemy what are you talking aboht
@@orkoskang7967 that was Patroclus, who unfortunately was made to be Achilles's cousin in this movie
He didn't kill an enemy at that point. He further solidified Troy's doom by killing a man who was already fighting for it's salvation. He made every wrong decision he could possibly make in that short time in his life and it's permanence is felt even today. Thousands of years later.
Btw to anyone who says Agamemnon was coming for Troy anyway, that was still a few years in the future and Troy would’ve had much more time to prepare, Paris is just the worst
Agamemnon just wanted an excuse and Paris gave him one
agamemnon was suicidal. he couldnt breach the walls. took Troy being extremely stupid at the worst possible moment to lose.
It would not have happened at all . Menelaus was precisely making peace with Troy , if Agamemnon went to battle without casus belli and without Sparta he would’ve been doomed .
And he wouldn’t have had Sparta backing him up. Menelaus wanted peace with Troy until Helen eloped with Paris.
Hector should've called Paris's bluff. Had they took Helen back Paris wouldn't have stepped off the ship.
True he was a coward.
@@wandilesithole3710 Ya we saw that clearly later in the film
It was too late anyway. Agamemnon needed an excuse to go to war. Returning Helen to Sparta like spoiled goods? Nah it was game over when Paris took her.
@@Diapontios true, it was heartbreaking to see Achilles go out like that in the end💔
Guess finding love made him weak
@@wandilesithole3710 Achilles’s fate was written since before he was born. He was to die during the Trojan war. That’s why his mother tried desperately to distance him from it, even disguising him as a girl, but quite unsuccessfully. He knew he was going to die but went to war anyway. In the Greek pantheon of heroes, Achilles is the freaking GOAT.
2:29 his face says it all 🤣
That needs to be a meme.
Looks like he just did a bunch of drugs and is having mixed trips
@@kagemaru259 Perfect for "You Fucking Idiot"
That's the "what the fuck" face
A look that sums everything up.
I hate Paris and Helen more than Menelaus and Agamemnon....
"Do you love me brother? Would you protect me against any enemy?"...a few minutes later "I won't ask you to fight my war."....and then a coward makes Hector fight his war
Right!! My personal favorites are Hector and Priam, the most Noble and Honorable men in the movie! I hated Agamemnon, Paris, and somewhat Achilles, Menelaus at least had some honor. And Helen, at least she felt guilty and wanted to go back, and even comforted Andromache the wife of Hector, another favorite of mine!
@@Aemilius46 Same here but I didn't hate Achilles...and Helen was as irritating as beautiful...she already knew Menelaus in details just like she analysed him to Paris so her "feeling guilty" meant nothing....I've watched this movie so many times and now again after you answered my comment lol
Couldn't agree more. Complete narcissism and disregard for others.
Menelaus wasn’t a bad guy at least at the beginning
@@Aemilius46Odysseus was a good man.
0:47 Hector's face: "Aw hell naw you didn't!"
Hector basically realized that his own clock was ticking at that point
1:23 Beautiful acting. Inside, he is really hurt.
Hector is a beautiful character....so brave,strong and honest and Eric Bana is a wonderful actor..I love Hector and Eric is a stunning man...I have always been team Hector and I always will be
😂❤
If he had the choice, there would have been three things I would changed in this film.
1) Have Paris killed.
2) Have the role Aeneas be more of a supporting role (played by Ben Affleck, first name popped in my head), and have as playing an active part in the film, and help more Trojans escaped.
3) And have Paris killed.
Lol 😂 he got Troy fucked
4) Remove the Achilles/Briseis romance. It didn’t feel convincing to me at all, Briseis liking him only bc he keeps her safe made their romance feel contrived. And it would really show Achilles’ more kindhearted nature, if he defended her without being in love with her.
5) Keep the Achilles/Patroclus romance from the original poem.
Ben Affleck? Worst choice possible for this kind of roles/movies.
@@samwisehuluberlu2210 Curious why?
The reason why I thought of him was because of his role in Shakespeare in Love, who played a supporting character, (Like I said first choice that popped in my head)
I would have included Diomedes and Aneas in this film as there roles of the second best warriors of the Greeks and the Trojans both adding some tragedy and nuance to the story.With Diomedes being similar to hector in the sense of fighting for what he believes is right for the future of Greece only to realize over time he and the Greeks are fighting for nothing but Agamemnons pride power and greed .Aneas is in the beginning very similar to Achilles as he starts out only interested in fighting for his own personal glory in the Trojan army but over time becomes disillusioned with warfare and learns how to be the defender and leader of the people of Troy that Paris should of been instead of the irresponsible greedy lustful selfish coward he was. Thus ending the movie with Diomedes allowing Aneas to depart with the survivors of Troy after Agamemnons and Paris’s (should have been much more unsympathetic in the film)deaths.
superb casting. orlando bloom as the pretty boy who doesn't know about fighting.
Or anything else for that matter ^.-.^
Not knowing he has a more kill count than Gimli
@@bjuganda7758 only counts as one
Gimli pops up in troy as Achilles winces in pain. Looks at Achilles dying
Gimli : You still only count as one!
John Rhys Davies also portrayed King Priam, and one of the most prominent lines he said to Paris in Helen of Troy is this: "You steal the King of Sparta's wife and you bring her here with the entire Aegean Fleet on your heels and you expect us to turn a blind eye to your wanton frolics!".
That treacherous, lecherous Paris screwed everything.
thats not entirely true
Paris is one of the most cowardly and infuriating characters in all of fiction.
Infuriating.
0:47 and 2:28 When the brain can't process the amount of anger and rage at someone else's stupidity
And yet he allowed this mess to continue by taking Paris and Helen to Troy
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μOh, I'm with ya.....I'd have turned that boat around, gone back and been like ..look king, here's your woman, unharmed and safe... please accept the absolute shit-kicking I'm about to give my little brother, as an apology lol
@@zachschaefer3824 yes. I know that for plot reasons war must take place but I never understood why in the world, did Priam and hector, two honourable and noble people let Paris keep Helen and didn't punish him
@@ΧΡΗΣΤΟΣΑΜΑΝΑΤΙΔΗΣ-β7μ You're right, knowing what horrors would come of Paris' actions, they should have HARSHLY punished him, prince or not
Zeus: You started a blood feud
Paris: Yes
I always wondered why Hector didn't just have Paris tied to the mast of the ship so he couldn't interfere and have Helen sent on a row boat in the opposite direction. Harsh, I know but so is endangering your kingdom for a booty call.
Because it was already too late, they have already deeply offended the King of Sparta.
Might as well double it down at this point.
@@agrippa2012 He could've returned Helen and let him kill Paris, it's better than starting a war.
@@edwin.arevalo2002 True, but Hector would never do something like that
Always wished Hector would teach Paris a lesson. The brat was way too spoiled.
@@edwin.arevalo2002 The provocation would still be used as a reason for starting the war. Agamemnon wanted to invade Troy and even if they returned Helen to Menelaus and he killed Paris, Menelaus would likely still be convinced by Agamemnon to invade. It was simply too late at this point, Troy was caught between Paris' stupidity and Agamemnon's ambition. The only thing Hector would be doing at this point by giving up Paris would be cosigning him to his death for little practical reason.
Hector was the Hero of this film he gave up his family he fought fir his country to the death and he saved his wimp of a brother. GOD I hated Paris he got his brother, father, killed and countless of his countries fellowmen
Yeah Paris is a bitch
Man every dialogue every word is well scripted awesome
2:27 A pampered prince said that he'll die fighting for love. The look of disgust is absolutely perfect!
Loved so much about this film, the fight choreography, the scenery, the wardrobe. The blue of the sea and the blues in their tunics and jewellery is inspired, it feels so right, like a window into the ancient world. Bana's acting here is just sublime, all the acting is good but his is superb and the script is so strong.
When seeing how pissed Hector was, for a moment I thought he was gonna turn green and hulk out for a bit.
he fought achilles with a bow
if they fought in hand combat he'll get shit on in 3 secods
Why didn't Achilles JUST dodge his arrows lul?
@@Ronin3453 His back was turned
@@higherechelon7884 why couldn't he JUST turn around then, lol
@Fqc he should have seen the first arrow coming then.
@FqcAt this point he's trolling you my dude lmao.
Many people say the war and fall of Troy is Paris' fault. I think Helen ran away with him is just the triggers. Regardless she ran away with him or not, eventually the Greeks will still go and attack Troy regardless. It was just a matter of time
Not really. Menelaus was a man of his word and clearly favored peace . Paris managed to wrong the one man who took Troy’s side . And Agamemnon couldn’t launch an offensive without Menelaus support as they could barely take Troy even with his Spartans.
@@stormbringer2840 Agamemnon was the King of Greece though. It was The Oath everyone in Greece promised during Helen’s wedding that would cause this alliance. However, Agamemnon had more than enough men to take on Troy, it was just a matter of breaking through Troy’s Gate.
@@m.c.martin
Agamemnon wasn't the king of greece but of Myceanea , the most powerfull king in greece but not the king OF greece ( he was an Hegemonic king if you prefer ). So yeah Menelaus being at the origin of the Oath his input was absolutely necessary to start a war , and No agamemnon didn't have enough men by himself , even with all the forces of greece he only barely got through Troy and could've died at any point .
Aye pretty much every City in Greece had its own King, Agamemnon was simply one of the most Influential, and had a Pact with the other Kings of Greece.
1:29 turn on auto captions
Get my shit ready 😂
Get my hardest round doctor?
Fixed in 2024:D
Truly an underrated movie, a must watch every couple of years
what I liked about this movie is that it really showed the difference about what a noob looks like sword fighting against a pro
Hector should have exiled Paris and Helen and told Menelaus that he has no idea where they have gone. He might have not believed him but it might have taken the target off Troy's back since all he cared about was capturing those idiot lovebirds. Sure, it would have meant they would never be able to stop running but they would still have a chance and Troy would be safe.
I'd rather they spend all their life running in fear of their stupid decision.
Watch the movie again. Argmennon wasn't fighting for helen
Thos was literally talked by Paris and Helen in the movie. Paris suggested they run away so Troy would not burn. But Helen specifically said Menalaus would still burn the city just to make sure the Trojans were not lying. This prompted Paris to duel Menalaus instead.
Wouldn't work. Memelaus would never have believed a word that the Trojans would say to him and Agemmenon wanted an excuse to conquer the city. It would had only slowed down the Greek's plans to attack Troy but not stop them.
Hector saw hellen and was immediately looking like "What the fuck have you done?"
Hector was the best character in this movie
Paris: *wants to start a war for a woman*
Hector: "What have you done, brother?! Are you nuts?!!"
Menelaus: *wants to start a war for a woman*
Agamemnon: "Finally..."
Just imagine you are the king of Sparta and a neighborhood country's playboy stole your wife and your kingdom ' s queen and wouldn't do anything about it ! tell me genius what would you have done if you were menelaus
Except menelas is kinda right here.
It was a peace celebration. Imagine signing peace with a country after 10 years of war and invite them to celebrate and they take your fucking wive.
Worst, in a lot of version, she didn’t love him. Paris kidnapped her.
The only way to do a bigger offense than that would have been to stab the king in the back right during the ceremony.
can't blame Agamemmon and Menelaus... Imagine a pathetic pussy whipped playboy comes and steals a king's wife... it is an attack on the honor of the kings
Hector: "To Troy"
AI: "Detroit"
He went from stealing a horse to stealing a wife... LoL
I’ll die fighting! Proceeds to run away soon as he’s injured 😂
Such an underrated movie
Hector: "take us back to Sparta!"
Paris: "but...." *gets gagged and tied to the rigging*
Hector: *brings Helen back to her husband*
*roll credits*
😂😂😂
😂😂 funniest truth
'directed by Robert B Weide' meme rolls
This comment should be pinned to the top!
Happy ending
Eric Bana nailed his parts in my opinion
The good ending:
They turn the ship around and offer Paris as a sacrifice. The two nations then enjoy 200 years of peace.
The real ending:
Trojans: "Here you go, take her, she wasn't that good anyway." Menelaus: "$#@#^&&!". Agamemnon: "Let's unite all of Greece to fight for dishonouring our sister." Odysseus: "I've got a better idea..."
**Helen boards ship to Egypt**
@@alitanicholas9579Helen was the wife of Menelaus, not her sister.
The mythical tale of her chilling in Egypt for the entire war after being replaced by a copy made out of clouds is great though.
@@Cybermat47 Helen was Agememnon's sister-in-law. The ancients called their sisters-in-law 'sister', as do many Greeks today. :)
@@alitanicholas9579 ah, I see, thanks for the info!
2:27 his face lmfao 🤣 😭
Hector: “you would let Troy burn for this woman?!”
Paris: “But brother, my loins were burning”
Hector: 👁️ 👄 👁️
0:47 Hector is like "bruh"
“Wow…you really are that stupid”
"What about the love for your country?!!" That was such a strong line
Bro the slow realization in Hector's face. This movie was literal art
0:48 you see the life going from Hector's eyes
Paris: "I love her"
Hector: "aaarrghh" 🤦
Paris and Helen were the true villains of this movie
Hector to Ship Captain: To sparta!
The Captain: Aye aye
after few minutes.
Hector to Ship Captain: To troy!
The captain: the fuck's wrong with u?
His first mistake, the second is the night when he saw Helen trying to escape and back to sparta
Eric Bana was ridiculously handsome in this movie ngl
Yeah, this movie has Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom yet Bana was the one that caught my eye the most.
The ancients would remark that Paris chose Aphrodite as a symbol of pleasure instead of wisdom (Athena) and matrimony (Hera), thus showing man's folly
This entire thing started because someone failed to invite Eris to a wedding.
@@Quinntus79the gods of Olympus all collectively decided not invite Eris; it was the wedding of Peleus and Thetis (Achilles’ parents)
Paris: "Brother, don't worry. I will hunt rabbit."
Hector: (sighs)
"Do you love me, brother?" *WARNING ALARMS INTENSIFY
-I go with her
-Uhmm...no.....guards, as the rightful heir to the throne of Troy, I order you to lock my little brother up in the ship, while I bring back Helene to Sparta, and apologize to our allies.
Great Hector....script marvelous
Funny that Paris was mythologically chosen to judge the beauty of three goddesses do to his “exemplary fairness”, and yet he thought it fair to ask thousands to die, and to allow his own brother to die for him, over a woman. Ironic. Nobody in Greek mythology saw the flaw in that?
To be fair, I blame the Greek kings for being so prideful... like, she wouldn't of left if he was actually a good husband, but Paris DOES know how the kings are and is just romanticizing this way too much...
@@antithoughtpolice7497 wh*res deserve to be treated as they are.
@@anonymous-yq4wc Oh, then the king DEFINITELY deserved to be killed first. He was the bigger whore between the two of them.
@@antithoughtpolice7497 how so?
@@anonymous-yq4wc Dude, he was literally flirting with other women in front of her, and it's heavily implied he's doing more behind closed doors. She wasn't open with her feelings for Paris before leaving, and it's shown how much she craves being in a loving relationship.
In other versions, Paris kidnaps her and the king was the one devoted to her, so he was seeking revenge on Paris and keeping her from being assaulted more than if he let her go. It's usually either men being whores that start the war.
I know modern women love being hoes, but it's obvious she either wasn't the whore.
Everyone is talking about how virtuous Hector is, but Menelaus, the way he is depicted here, is a man of honour indeed. Pâris truly wronged him.
I would’ve been okay with the whole ending of the movie if Paris had just died somehow, but this being all his fault and he gets to live ? Not okay.
Exactly! I’m seriously glad I’m not the only one who thinks this I like this movie a lot but I just don’t like the outcome not that I necessarily don’t like the ending or it’s bad I just don’t like the outcome, Obviously I don’t want to see Brad Pitt die😂, But seriously the fact that the idiot pretty boy prince who basically caused the death of not only his brother but his father AND country now gets to roam free with the girl he stole…..and now Breseis is left miserable as her would be future husband dies…. Yea it still rubs me the wrong way over 15 years later
I'm soooooo relieved you two think like that too....I'm doing my honours nd I'm to to study illiad nd that's all fine cus I love Greek mythology nd stuff ....bt , I swear everytime i do have to go through the character of this pathetic excuse of a prince nd even more disgusting excuse of "love" he apparently had for Helen , I feel sick .
PS . Reminds me of Ferdinand and Miranda's "love" that would make you do 360° eyerolls 👀
@@blankspace5185 In fact, in the actual story, it’s said Paris died to buy Aeneas time to flee with the Trojans and is shot 3 times by arrows while Menelaus yells at him.
So yes, Paris does actually die in Troy
@@m.c.martin good, now they just need to spike helen in the back and i'd be truly happy
@@m.c.martin didnt he get snipped in the dick and shoulder by philoctetes and dies before troy falls
Damn that brotherly love parallel
Behold the OG simp
the older brother had that “you thinking what I’m thinking 😏 “ look
1:45 I wish he would've said 'uggh you f'in simp' 😄
1:46 I love her 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love is blind. Lol
They’re such kids 😭😂 dumbasses started a whole war because “I love her” Hector wasn’t trying to hear that shit 😂
Legolas stole Arwen from Rivendell , Aragorn is in shock , thinking how pissed off Elrond could be !
Then, an enraged Aragorn shakes hands and joins forces with Sauron! Soon, the entire Middle Earth will fall to the combined might of Gondor and Mordor!!!😁
I love the contrast between two brother-pairs. Paris and Hector, Menelaos and Agamemnon
Hector is a true big brother.
on homer iliad version. not only paris kidnapped helen. he sacked Menelaus' treasure such as jewels, gold and silver
Even if Hector returned Helen and Paris, the Greeks will still seek to conquer Troy. Truth is even if Paris never met Helen, the Greeks were already plotting to get Troy. It was a ticking time bomb, its just unfortunate that it happened before Priam's rule ended. He worked so hard to keep that peace during his lifetime.
1:39
Hector: (to Paris, taking Helen with him) You fool. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU’VE DONE?!?!?!
I've just finished reading the Iliad and I'm surprised how well they kept to Homers script in this film. Not bad considering this story was written almost 3000 years ago.
Pretty much - Hector doesn't kill Menelaus in the Iliad which seems to be the biggest piece of artistic license but for the most part Wolfgang Peterson did a masterful job with the screenplay and the scenery.
They barely kept to the Iliad at all. Several very important characters aren't even in the film and the chronology of events and character deaths is completely different. Really the only thing this movie has in common with Iliad are the names.
@@1furious who was left out and what was the inconsistencies of the chronology order apart from the obvious changes Hollywood made. (Menelaus being killed by Hector is obviously not original and the siege lasted 10years not 17 days as in the film troy, Achilles and Patroclus were actually best friends in the poem rather being cousins in the film ) I'm not being funny im genuinely interested. For a bashed up Hollywood rendition one can't complain too much when they are known for absolutely changing everything in a film.
@@jimcraig9882 Well for an initial correction, Patroclus and Achilles in mythology are actually cousins. Specifically first cousins once removed. Patroclus is also older than Achilles.
But beyond that, Diomedes isn't in the film, Nestor takes a very background role, Rhesus isn't in the film, the two Ajax's are combined into one character, Teucer is absent, Briseis is fused partially with Chryseis and Cassandra.
And in the Trojan Cycle, Paris didn't survive the Trojan War. Agamemnon did. Andromache was enslaved. Hector's son was killed by Achilles' son Neoptolemus (also absent from the film). Agamemnon's characterisation in general is just completely wrong. The idea of him just wanting to conquer Troy is completely undermined by him completely annihilating it at the end. Nothing left to control. His motive in the Cycle is entirely for his brother's honour. He is also a front-line warrior who is second only to Achilles (and tied with Ajax the Greater and Diomedes). Achilles never makes it inside the walls of Troy. His death is actually what prompts the creation of the Trojan Horse, since the Greeks do not believe they can win without him. The concept of Achilles' heel is actually a Roman invention. In the Iliad, Achilles is actually wounded in combat by a Paeonian called Asteropaios (also absent from the film).
So, yeah there are actually quite a lot of differences. Many characters either missing or fused into other characters. The entire Trojan Cycle was extremely condensed for the movie, which is understandable. They obviously removed the divine influences but decided to go a bit further and throw in some atheistic subtext. And the sequence of events, especially with character deaths, is somewhat disorganised.
I can enjoy the movie for what it is but when I read the Iliad I was intrigued by how different it was from the movie.
There are quite a few changes, among them the total omission of Achilles' bisexuality (you know, Hollywood...)
One thing I find unique about this film, is that you don't find yourself rooting for any one side. In the end there are only 5 characters you can rally behind. You can't side with Achilles because he wanted glory and was willing to kill people who did nothing to him. He also desecrated Hector out of spite. You can't side with Paris because he kicked off a war. Menalaus was not faithful to Helen as we see at the party. Also a dick move to marry someone that is way younger. Priam was a fool for embracing this conflict instead of taking the peaceful option after all his hard work. His hubris costed him everything. Agamemnon was looking for an excuse for war the entire time and was too dangerous to be alive with that kind of army. That trojan priest was a bit of a wild card and one that went against Troy in hindsight. Helen is the reason the war starts and she knew it. It was her choice to go and she knew she fucked up when Hector went to fight Achilles.
Hector however never wanted war but he follows through for his brother who hung him out to dry. He is also just trying to defend his country. He is also very perceptive and knows when not to fight.
Odysseus is only here to ensure Ithaca doesn't get trampled by Agamemnon.
Glaucous was just a general rising to meet a threat. Though his beliefs would prove costly.
Achilles' right hand man was just a punching bag and didn't deserve to be beaten.
Lastly, poor Patroclus was just fighting for his country and stepped up to the plate. He was martyred.
Hector takes the cake though no question. I honestly don't know what to think when it comes to Briseis.
EDIT: Helen might have been under a spell. If that is true she gets a pass.
In defense of Menalaus that was the norm back then, once a girl hit puberty which could be between 12 and 14 she was considered marriageable and essentially property of the men in her life. Funnily enough though if you were a woman in Greece Sparta was probably the best place to live. The women could own property and work, they could attend and participate in sporting events, they could even learn to fight, and they were essentially married only in name because they really only had to see their husbands when they needed to have babies. Otherwise they lived a communal lifestyle with other women.
Great post, I'm curious why you're in doubt about Briseis?
yes yes we hate everyone equally
Yeah i wonder that too Briseis was just a priestess for Dionysos, She might got by Stockholm syndrome but other then that she is blame less in my opinion...
I never thought of it like that. Great comment.
Will u go to war with me brother
King: about goddamn time
Hector is, I think, one of the best characters.
"Have you ever killed a man? Ever seen a man die in combat? Ever been in a cockpit before? Ever seen a grown man naked? Do you ever...hang around a gymnasium? Do you like movies about gladiators?"
Have you ever been to a Turkish bath?
@jonathanbirch2022 I did! Everyone else in the hot tub was PISSED.
1:38 foolish Paris true
2:03 and this is also very true
Paris: I won't ask you to fight my war.
Entire movie while Hector was alive Paris pretty much: Keep a secret of mine. Fight my war for me. Save me.
Paris’s selfishness is so despicable. I can’t stand his character
Hey, at least in this version Helen goes with him willingly. It’s unclear if she consented or not in the mythology.
Hey, at least in this version Helen goes with him willingly. It’s unclear if she consented or not in the mythology.
Paris, the son you don’t want.
King Priam: Our first son is amazing! Lets have another!
The End
Great movie. What motivates men. And how they are played by others or just the fates.
And indeed, he did let Troy burn for that woman- Morgan freeman