"You have your sword. I have my tricks. We play with the toys the gods give us." Probably one of my favorite lines. So applicable to life. Stick to your guns, play to your strengths. Let others do the same.
I find it absolutely abhorrent that Sean Bean talks with a English accent in ancient Greece, and doesn't at all resemble a Greek... Terrible casting choice.
How ironic, in a movie about an epic war with heroes getting whacked left and right, not only does Sean Bean's character survive till the very end, but he is _the_ most die hard character of antique literature...
@@leonardobraynen1524 That's what annoyed me about the movie, though. Oysseus was known for his archery prowess. Yet the movie never once showed him with at least a bow. I know it couldn't have been his own, as that was back at his home city.
"This war will never be forgotten, nor will the heroes fighting in it" This line holds especially true coming from a movie character thousands of years later.
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess shut up, this was 3000 years ago, war and death were known to be glorious, dying in battle was an honor every man wanted, no idea why you are trying to bring 21 century SJW views onto a story absed thousands of years ago, these people believed in gods, its not too hard to think what they fought would be heroic
@@FimbongBass "21 century SJW views"... so... dying in battle was better than the peacefull age we live in? I would rather live with SJW ideals than to die in a pointless war...
@@Rogan_Dorn better to live a full happy life and one remembers my name in a few centuries than to be known for eternity and dying young and painfully for someone's else stupid war... But I garante you... no one will also remember your name.
@@clarkkent5318 as someone who kinda knows his way around swords, they really did manage to give him that aura. Each move he makes is at the furthest outset of possibility, a one-in-a-million strike, yet they all retain a modicum of functionality. He just looks like a guy who can make these moves at will.
Man there's something about how Sean Bean speaks that is so reassuring and interesting. It's like none of his lines are ever wasted, in any shows or movies he was in. Everytime he talks, you know it's gonna be interesting even if it's small talk.
Since I was a little child,I used to admire and love Odysseus.He was my hero.I grow up hearing stories of the Trojan War and his later adventures in his way home.I still remember the time where I visited Ithaca.I was in my dream land.My...*homeland*
@@leonardobraynen1524 And he was so good with a spear that he used Hector's own broken spear to spear Hector...Achilles was totally unmatched...no wonder stupid, whimpy Paris had to use an arrow to end Achilles when Achilles Back was turned to him no less!
@G E T R E K T 905 That's by design. Paris is a well known coward. In many versions of this story, the gods actually guide his arrow to Achilles weak spot on his heel, just to drive home that Paris gets ZERO credit or glory for the death of Achilles.
@@octahu935 Yeah, Ned might not have been an amazing fighter or very cunning, but he was a great leader. He inspired so much loyalty in his men that even 2 years after his death, they're willing to march, risking starvation and getting frozen to death in blizzards, just to go save "the Ned's little girl".
@@anneneville6255 Except they weren't. There is no mention of sexual undertone in The Iliad in the friendship between Achilles and Patroclos. That is just Plato's interpretation. He lived in the classical age, more than 800 years after the Trojan War. During the classical period, men had both male and female lovers. There's no record of gay or bi relations during the Bronze Age.
I think the Spartan King and Agamemnon weren't supposed to die during the battle for Troy either. Since Odysseus's son went to talk to the Spartan King about his father.
@@AdeptKing True , both survive. Menelaus actually regains Helena and she returned to be the Queen of Sparda. Agamemnon died after his wife and her lover brutalized him , killed Agamemnon's concubine and killed him afterwards , for revenge to what he did to Iphigenia. In truth , Achilles never set foot in Troy , but rather his son. His son had set to Troy after he had come into age to aid the Greeks , and only arrived after Achilles had died. He took command of the Myrmydons and killed the last Trojan Heroes. After set foot in Troy , he killed Priam and all the family he had in the Royal Chambers , with one of them been one of Hector's sons , by brutalizing the child's head into the chamber's wall.
I visited his grave at Poros two years before. Such a valiant, smart and righteous king Odysseus was. Way ahead of his time three and a half thousands of years ago
Alexander the Great read the Iliad when he was young and he loved the stories of Achilles and Patroclus. He said he was Achilles and Hephaistion was Patroclus...
I think there was something saying they were actually second cousins but it wasn't in the Iliad, it was something else. One of their grandmothers was on both sides or something.
Yeah, they werent related. Just childhood friends. Because Patroklos was fostered by Peleus, Achilles father. Peleus was friends with Patroklos father.
@@gihan9319 Thats just Platons opinion on that matter. Homer and the Illiad itself make no mention in that direction. But he does mention, that Achilles is married, has a son, Neoptolemos, and keeps a female slave, Briseis. So even if Platons assesment was true, Achilles would be bi at the very most. Platon lived 400 to 500 years after Homer however, so his insight on the matter is limited. Even more so, that Internet or other easily accesable sources werent present at the time. So Achilles being gay or bi remains just an assumption. Them being friends is a certainty however, with or without sexual input.
@@memenoid4372 Well, let's not forget there's an entire Odyssey waiting for Odysseus after he leaves Troy. A Sean Bean version will at least preserve some suspense about how that story will end. lol
This is the best scene of this awesome movie! I love watching Odysseus' cunning, their back and forth, and the dynamic between Achilles and Patroclus. I love the way Odysseus sells him on the war. Teasing him that Hector is better "than all the Greeks" and his final closing line about how the war and heroes will be remembered forever. He knows that Achilles desires immortality above all, and plays into it masterfully
I don't know what shocked more: Discovering that Shawn Bean played Odysseus or the fact that they kept true to the 2800+ years old source material and Odysseus DID NOT die . I mean c'mon it's Shawn Bean. He's like the Kenny McCormick of Hollywood. he plays in a movie the characters chances of dying grow with 1000%
Well they got Odysseus, Achilles, Hector and Priam right but messed up everyone else..... Come on according to source material Menelaus was not a maniac... And Helen in no world loved Paris
@@geetadhumane5793 They didn't quite get Hector right either. He was honorable and brave, but not as much as the movie version. Nor as virtuous to disdain war and strive for peace, despite having to fight a war. Heck, in the Illiad he initally refused to return Patroclus' body right away *AND* he infamously took Achilles' armor for himself, wearing it since then. Don't get me wrong, he does have his moment, but you can't tell me _those acts_ were deserving of praise. So yeah, the movie didn't quite get Hector right either. Though I'd say that, in his case, it ended up turning for the better. We sure sympathized a lot more with this version of Hector then the poem one.
The way the camera just zooms in a bit as Odysseus says "this war will never be forgotten" sticks with me. His expression is a tad ominous and heavy with prescience.
Obviously, at Brad Pitt's insistence: "My door don't swing that way!"; In the movie "Troy" Patroclus was Achilles' orphaned cousin; in The Illiad of Homer, however, Patroclus was Achilles' lover.
@eeaeaaeea aeeeaeeaeee I understand your point about not criminalising friendship but it is very clear that Patroclus and Achilles were not just friends. It was actually normal for ancient greeks to take up a 'sleeping partner', whether that be a boy with a boy or a girl with a girl. Achilles asked for his ashes to be mixed with Patroclus and no one can tell me that was simply because they were 'friends'. I believe that their relationship transcends both friendship and love. Definitely read Song of Achilles if you haven't already.
@@mrunmaiparab9705 They were functionally/honorary cousins by virtue of how they were raised & the kind of relationship their parents had. Nice try though.
Odysseus , The greatest King of Wisdom and Strategy in this movie , well played by Boromir Sean Bean! Achilles was too smooth as silk and best damn demigod Warrior of speed and agility! Alongside Great mortal Hero Hector of Troy the Tamer of the horses. Man , the story (although not accurately Homer) , the acting, the fights .. this movie is Legendarily fire 🔥!
if you read the real illiad written by homer you would know that they were actually cousins/very close friend NOT lovers he fell in love with briseies in the real book not patroclus i read the ancient Greek version of it and i saw no reference at all that he loved partoclus as a lover but loved his as a dear friend/cousin
Their fathers were friends and both were apart of Jason's argonauts, thats how they know each other. After Pat killed a kid, Peleus took him and sent him to Chiron and Achilles on Pelion. And I'm gonna stick closely to the analysis of actual scholars like Plato who can clearly see they were lovers. It's not like ancient greece was against incest either, look at the gods. So the 'cousins' excuse is still lame, they were in love, achilles tried to slit his damn throat at the sight of Patroclus' body (in the iliad). Like..you're delusional if you think otherwise.
No problem. I have a pretty good report from 1909, from someone who explains why Achilles and Patroclus were lovers and why its pretty much a general consensus from readers with common sense, if you want it, I can link. But they were. Phoenix even mirrors them in the iliad when he tells the story of Meleager and his wife Cleopatra. Referencing back to Achilles and Patroclus since throughout the book, Patroclus takes up the role that of a wife to Achilles. iliad constantly describes him as gentle and passive with Achilles. Achilles also says certain things and embraces Patroclus' body a number of times even after the funeral. This surpasses any other 'companionship' in the book, even between brothers who die on the field. Achilles mourning like many scholars say, matches and even surpasses Andromache for Hector. It's just very obvious but modern scholars never really go that deep into it because well...'No homo'. But if that was the case they would have presented Patroclus way better in the movie instead of just a younger cousin. They tried their best to not do the authencity of their relationship which was unlimited in the iliad because Achilles is egotistic and aggressive towards everyone, even Briseis when he doesn't want her anymore as a prize when they give her and other spoils back to him. he only yields to Patroclus anytime the two are seen speaking in their tent. Patroclus' first appearance was with him speaking on Achilles' and his last words were literally.."Achilles.." Lol, this is why most scholars have acknowledged them as clear lovers. There is no real debate.
I know, right! People just want to make everything straight. Plato's Symposium and even Shakesphere's Troilus and Cressida and Homer's Illiad all potrayed them as having something more than friendship. Achilles literally wants his ashes to be mixed with Patroclus. He murders a god for him and all people thing is, BROMANCE!! Well ITS NOT THAT!
Playing as Odysseus in total war Troy is so satisfactory for my first Total War experience. Ithica in the game is just a small island with the access to abundant resorces that if used right, can gain the defense of all Achean factions.
"You taught me never to change sword hands." "Yes. When you know how to use it - you won't be taking my orders." After reading the Illead thorougly... well... let's just say I agree with the top comment x)
This is such a great scene because it shows what *naturally* should bring the utmost joy in life for those striving for noble warriorhood. That is not putting those warrior skills to full use on a battlefield to vanquish large numbers of enemies, as with a mind obsessed with temporal combat. Nor is it using those skills to apply the minimum force necessary to preferably restrain evil, as with a mind obsessed with spiritual combat. It is to ensure the spread of your noble warrior principles across space and over time. Thus *safeguarding* any and all of the heavenly societies *uplifted by love* which exist throughout the galaxy, for the benefit of all righteous beings everywhere. And that is achieved by continuously developing those skills within yourself and then teaching those skills to a *righteous* mind that *naturally* inclines to noble warriorhood. And that natural inclination should *not* be limited to birth, class, wealth etc etc etc, whatever. Because then you only limit the *joy* to be gained from spreading those noble principles far and wide to safeguard all that is good *everywhere.* Instead it should be *open* to whoever appreciates the teacher and is willing to put in the time and effort to learn and practice those skills. This means a noble warrior will *forever enjoy existence* because they will always have skills to develop and someone to teach.
Troy is a wonderful film for images and words!!!!!! I remember always Troy for characters and history .Men try a new way for believe in the heart and in a new life.
That was his ace line to convince Achilles. Right there, you can see it on Achilles face he's now contemplation. That's not to say he's a manipulative bastard who set his homie up to die in a pointless war. Odysseus wanted Achilles to come cause it would boost the morale of the Greeks and they would have fewer casualties on their side. He wanted his homie there for the sake of the Greeks and not the Ruler.
"Historically". First of all, the Iliad is not actual History. It's an epic poem loosely based on the Trojan War that had happened centuries before it was written. And in the original Iliad, Achilles and Patroclus are mentioned as friemds since childhood. Not ONE single mention of them being lovers.
When the camera zooms to Odisseus and Aquiles looks at him by his shoulder, in my opinion, is the best camera shots that i have seen in years. Reminds me old epic movies.
I had seen Armand Asante's The Odyssey before watching this film, so Odysseus became my favorite character of the Trojan War. As such, when I first saw the trailer for Troy, I was super-excited, but one question was constantly on my mind: "Who's playing Odysseus? Who's playing Odysseus?" When I saw the film, and I heard Agamemnon say, "There's only one man he'll listen to.", I got PUMPED because I knew in my heart he was talking about Odysseus. Then I saw Sean Bean was playing him, and I was NOT disappointed with his performance as the character.
2:19 So Achilles was so great a fighter that he could protect Sean Bean from dying.....in a 163 minutes long war movie. Comfirmed: Achilles was not human. He was a demi-god.
You're imposing modern denotations, "gay", on an ancient culture. A woman's purpose was simply to satisfy base lusts. Like, food, they were necessary, but unsuitable for a genuine "relationship."
nahhhh. nahhhh. don't start me with this. it's as if no one gives a shit about Homer and the Illiad!! he states they are related. this is not game of thrones (though it does have sean bean in it)
"This war will never be forgotten." Sadly, many of the men who perish in war often are. Only a few are actually remembered. Most are just killed, and later forgotten.
"You have your sword. I have my tricks. We play with the toys the gods give us." Probably one of my favorite lines. So applicable to life. Stick to your guns, play to your strengths. Let others do the same.
+Maniac742 written by david benioff also responsible for the game of thrones tv series
what if your your toy is to stop others from doing the same?
Too on the nose
I play this when I play civ, I need a Trojan war mod
true yep
Great casting choice for Odysseus. Sean Bean exudes wisdom and cunning in this scene.
And he doesn't die
@@mutoprime6641 that too, lol.
real irony for Sean Bean himself
Didn't Odysseus feigned madness to avoid going to war or something?
@@hxcvocalist absolutely according to the *Iliad*
I find it absolutely abhorrent that Sean Bean talks with a English accent in ancient Greece, and doesn't at all resemble a Greek... Terrible casting choice.
"This war will never be forgotten. And winter is coming - oh my bad, wrong war."
***** lol
Bahahahahahaha!!!!!
this film is by better that GOT
It is to me! GOT is over-hyped and not worth it. But if you enjoy it more power to ya
Sugar Beans omg lol
How ironic, in a movie about an epic war with heroes getting whacked left and right, not only does Sean Bean's character survive till the very end, but he is _the_ most die hard character of antique literature...
+vovka-morkovka Sean Bean probably still watches this movie and laughs bitterly.
Actually Odysseus journey home is a beginning of a new adventure.
IKR lol.
@@fordgt402 the Odyssey was actually more grippin than the *TROJAN WAR* itself
@@leonardobraynen1524 That's what annoyed me about the movie, though. Oysseus was known for his archery prowess. Yet the movie never once showed him with at least a bow. I know it couldn't have been his own, as that was back at his home city.
Sean Bean was so cool in Troy and he didn't die. weird
Because of GOT we always assume the worst now, lol.
***** haha true af
As Odysseus, he will not die in his own tale following the fall of Troy.
mbenzsl2000 well before that, he died in LOTR FIRST ONE!
M LG well said
Agamemnon was never going to become famous. His name is too hard to spell.
Pretty sure you mean Agamimnun.
😂
lol !!!!! you are certainly right.
🤣🤣
Odysseus has a long name and is one of the most well-known greek heroes
"This war will never been forgotten, and the heroes will be played by A list actors"
Iconic Cast for an Epic!
"This war will never be forgotten, nor will the heroes fighting in it"
This line holds especially true coming from a movie character thousands of years later.
book character
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess shut up, this was 3000 years ago, war and death were known to be glorious, dying in battle was an honor every man wanted, no idea why you are trying to bring 21 century SJW views onto a story absed thousands of years ago, these people believed in gods, its not too hard to think what they fought would be heroic
@@FimbongBass "21 century SJW views"... so... dying in battle was better than the peacefull age we live in? I would rather live with SJW ideals than to die in a pointless war...
@@mbras9176 "And that is why no one will remember your name."
@@Rogan_Dorn better to live a full happy life and one remembers my name in a few centuries than to be known for eternity and dying young and painfully for someone's else stupid war...
But I garante you... no one will also remember your name.
"This movie will never be forgotten... nor will the actors who star in it."
Clever
😂
Even the nameless boy who’s name I don’t remember because it was not mentioned
Boromir, King of Itaca, protector of Winterfell
Long retired, became the chief of London's Metropolitan police.
and captain of Gondor
King of Ithaca*
sry
Winter is not coming
Preserver of the law (equilibrium)
“They insulted Greece.”
“They insulted ONE Greek- a man who couldn’t hold onto his woman.”
Nuff said
Damn!!!
Its not that simple.
Achilles did not go to Troy to fight for a Greek or his woman, he went there to become immortal.
Betraying your husband is never honorable and so isn't taking another man's wife.
shots fired
Brad Pitt really had his swordplay down. Did Achilles justice.
I love how they made his armor goldensh like in the illiad
@@darth368 Looks like shiny bronze
He specifically trained for it, for months !They wanted to give him a godly aura when fighting so yeah.
@@clarkkent5318 as someone who kinda knows his way around swords, they really did manage to give him that aura. Each move he makes is at the furthest outset of possibility, a one-in-a-million strike, yet they all retain a modicum of functionality. He just looks like a guy who can make these moves at will.
Best line in the movie in my opinion
"You have your sword, I have my tricks... we play with the toys the gods give us"
They depicted him as very respectful of the Gods in this one.
Yess
we never got a movie of "The Odyssey" staring sean bean, what the fuck?
True i wanted a movie like that
He doesn't die, so who cares.
+ReplayButtonMolester Yeah, true. If this dude doesn't die in a movie, such movie is worthlessssss.
That would have been good.
They should have done a sequel to Troy called the Odyssey starring Sean Bean !!!
Your reputation for having survived this movie Sean, is fast becoming legend.
Man there's something about how Sean Bean speaks that is so reassuring and interesting. It's like none of his lines are ever wasted, in any shows or movies he was in. Everytime he talks, you know it's gonna be interesting even if it's small talk.
Since I was a little child,I used to admire and love Odysseus.He was my hero.I grow up hearing stories of the Trojan War and his later adventures in his way home.I still remember the time where I visited Ithaca.I was in my dream land.My...*homeland*
t e n o r o t a r o do u still admire Ulysses? (Roman version). U said used to....
It was the infanticide wasn’t it?
Where are you from my friend?
I love how he flips the spear up with his foot, flips it and flings it straight into that tree all in one smooth fluid motion.
Achilles was a *BEAST!*
@@leonardobraynen1524 And he was so good with a spear that he used Hector's own broken spear to spear Hector...Achilles was totally unmatched...no wonder stupid, whimpy Paris had to use an arrow to end Achilles when Achilles Back was turned to him no less!
@G E T R E K T 905 That's by design. Paris is a well known coward. In many versions of this story, the gods actually guide his arrow to Achilles weak spot on his heel, just to drive home that Paris gets ZERO credit or glory for the death of Achilles.
Not only that but it would've been dead on without the tree there. Ancient man had modern radar in his head I swear
If Ned Stark had a fraction of Odysseus' cunning the Game of Thrones would've ended in Season 1.
Or had a fraction of Bormir's swordplay he wouldn't have been in a position where he got stabbed by a spear.
@@Darksky1001able lol that was just plot.
@@Darksky1001able dont forget Boromir was a talented leader and commander (he succesfully protected borders from numerous armies of Mordor)
@@carl-os4603 Ned was a talented commander as well, he led the northeners during robert's rebellion
@@octahu935 Yeah, Ned might not have been an amazing fighter or very cunning, but he was a great leader. He inspired so much loyalty in his men that even 2 years after his death, they're willing to march, risking starvation and getting frozen to death in blizzards, just to go save "the Ned's little girl".
"You have your sword, I have my tricks. We play with the toys the gods give us."
I love this line, so well delivered.
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The subtle smile on Achilles face when Odysseus implies Hector may he the greater warrior.
The chuckle, i also heard that. He doesnt want to fight but the thought of slaying such a great warrior as Hector is too tempting
Ha! I love how Achilles gets all protective when Odysseus tries to "play his tricks" on Patroclus.
If this movie would come out now, the would have made them gay as it was in the Epos
@@anneneville6255 Number one reason why I'm very happy it came out in 2004.
@@anneneville6255 Except they weren't. There is no mention of sexual undertone in The Iliad in the friendship between Achilles and Patroclos. That is just Plato's interpretation. He lived in the classical age, more than 800 years after the Trojan War. During the classical period, men had both male and female lovers. There's no record of gay or bi relations during the Bronze Age.
@@anneneville6255 did you even read it?
@@Number_99 I had always wondered that. Thanks for clarifying
please god make HBO produce an epic miniseries of the odyssey with sean bean!
It'd be the first movie or show he doesn't die in.
***** What about Percy Jackson? he doesn't dies there
Sorry but i haven't seen that miniseries.
okey, i will, thanks for the info ;)
That would be the coolest, Sean do it do it!!!!!!!!!
3:00 That was the ugliest zoom I've seen in a long time
LOL, like something out of an 80s TV movie!
@@liyon316 It looks better in the widescreen version.
I actually quite like it. Reminds me of the old days. And it does the job it sets out to do, emphasize the statement.
perhaps it is tribute to the old Greek and Roman Holywood movies.
Watching in 2019, and yeah, that zoom stood out to me as well.
Sean Bean is an awesome actor. Weather its Troy, Sharpe or Goldeneye, hes just awesome.
And lord of the rings of course
@@davesodyssey8130 IKR!!
One does not simply forget LOTR
Weather...
*Whether, not Weather
How ironic that everyone but Sean Bean died in this movie. lol
Yeah, he lived to escort Frodo to take the ring ...
well, Paris didn't die
@@whatever-wn1nk in the movies , in Iliad , he dies in terrible pain
I think the Spartan King and Agamemnon weren't supposed to die during the battle for Troy either. Since Odysseus's son went to talk to the Spartan King about his father.
@@AdeptKing True , both survive.
Menelaus actually regains Helena and she returned to be the Queen of Sparda.
Agamemnon died after his wife and her lover brutalized him , killed Agamemnon's concubine and killed him afterwards , for revenge to what he did to Iphigenia.
In truth , Achilles never set foot in Troy , but rather his son. His son had set to Troy after he had come into age to aid the Greeks , and only arrived after Achilles had died.
He took command of the Myrmydons and killed the last Trojan Heroes.
After set foot in Troy , he killed Priam and all the family he had in the Royal Chambers , with one of them been one of Hector's sons , by brutalizing the child's head into the chamber's wall.
"Play your tricks on me...
But not my cousin."
(Points wooden sword threateningly.)
"You have your sword. I have my tricks. Do we play what the gods give us?"
- Odysseus!
This is one of the most legendary scenes in film history imo.
I visited his grave at Poros two years before. Such a valiant, smart and righteous king Odysseus was. Way ahead of his time three and a half thousands of years ago
Alexander the Great read the Iliad when he was young and he loved the stories of Achilles and Patroclus. He said he was Achilles and Hephaistion was Patroclus...
So alexander was gay then?
@@Juanito1124 more bisexual, back then they didn't really care who you slept with
@@Tylerjb123100 yup. You are right. I think its a common knowledge that alexander was bisexual. Nevertheless he was never defeated in battle.
Alexander even claimed he was a descendant of Achilles
@@Murat0897 Given how much he drank, he probably believed it too.
Sometimes I lose sleep at night when I remember that some people actually believe that Achilles and Patroclus are cousins because of this movie.
I think there was something saying they were actually second cousins but it wasn't in the Iliad, it was something else. One of their grandmothers was on both sides or something.
Yeah, they werent related. Just childhood friends. Because Patroklos was fostered by Peleus, Achilles father. Peleus was friends with Patroklos father.
@@MMadesen "Friends" lol
@@MMadesen they were a tiiiiiny bit more than friends lol
@@gihan9319 Thats just Platons opinion on that matter. Homer and the Illiad itself make no mention in that direction.
But he does mention, that Achilles is married, has a son, Neoptolemos, and keeps a female slave, Briseis.
So even if Platons assesment was true, Achilles would be bi at the very most.
Platon lived 400 to 500 years after Homer however, so his insight on the matter is limited. Even more so, that Internet or other easily accesable sources werent present at the time.
So Achilles being gay or bi remains just an assumption. Them being friends is a certainty however, with or without sexual input.
"You have your sword I have my tricks." Say that again!
Patroclas...this boy saved the war for us. Amazing line❤️
That spear was a warning to dismount And approach on foot so as to remove any advantage. Just beautiful
This is one of the best historical films ever made. Especially the director's cut.
I like how Sean Bean could still play as Odysseus in an Odyssey movie since the movie takes place over so many years
The best part is this is one of the few roles he canonically survives.
Sean Bean’s characters always die.
Odysseus: hold my tricks.
No,no and after Achilles Odysseus dies because of critical injuries( accidentally falling from achilles burial place)
@@memenoid4372 Well, let's not forget there's an entire Odyssey waiting for Odysseus after he leaves Troy. A Sean Bean version will at least preserve some suspense about how that story will end. lol
Now thats soldiering.
This is the best scene of this awesome movie! I love watching Odysseus' cunning, their back and forth, and the dynamic between Achilles and Patroclus. I love the way Odysseus sells him on the war. Teasing him that Hector is better "than all the Greeks" and his final closing line about how the war and heroes will be remembered forever. He knows that Achilles desires immortality above all, and plays into it masterfully
i guess boromir took a wrong turn to middle earth
Took Legolas with him. The elf joined his foes
That's Major Sharpe to you, maggot!
@b you sound like you'd be a hoot at parties.
@b now I'm imagining you at a DnD table, I'd hate to be a bard around you.
@ b rule of thumb: any time you boast about yourself, you convince your audience the opposite is true.
I know! I love him as Odysseus too. He's awesome :) The whole cast in this movie rocks!!!
The fact we will never get Sean Bean's Oddysey always upsets me.
I don't know what shocked more:
Discovering that Shawn Bean played Odysseus
or the fact that they kept true to the 2800+ years old source material and Odysseus DID NOT die .
I mean c'mon it's Shawn Bean. He's like the Kenny McCormick of Hollywood. he plays in a movie the characters chances of dying grow with 1000%
Well they got Odysseus, Achilles, Hector and Priam right but messed up everyone else..... Come on according to source material Menelaus was not a maniac... And Helen in no world loved Paris
@@geetadhumane5793 They didn't quite get Hector right either. He was honorable and brave, but not as much as the movie version. Nor as virtuous to disdain war and strive for peace, despite having to fight a war.
Heck, in the Illiad he initally refused to return Patroclus' body right away *AND* he infamously took Achilles' armor for himself, wearing it since then. Don't get me wrong, he does have his moment, but you can't tell me _those acts_ were deserving of praise.
So yeah, the movie didn't quite get Hector right either. Though I'd say that, in his case, it ended up turning for the better. We sure sympathized a lot more with this version of Hector then the poem one.
The way the camera just zooms in a bit as Odysseus says "this war will never be forgotten" sticks with me. His expression is a tad ominous and heavy with prescience.
Nervous?
Petrified.
hahaha so sweet xD Patroclus
"Play your tricks on me, but not my cousin." Wasn't a request. It was a threat.
"cousin" yeah sure... I know the truth Achilles
Obviously, at Brad Pitt's insistence: "My door don't swing that way!"; In the movie "Troy" Patroclus was Achilles' orphaned cousin; in The Illiad of Homer, however, Patroclus was Achilles' lover.
@eeaeaaeea aeeeaeeaeee I understand your point about not criminalising friendship but it is very clear that Patroclus and Achilles were not just friends. It was actually normal for ancient greeks to take up a 'sleeping partner', whether that be a boy with a boy or a girl with a girl. Achilles asked for his ashes to be mixed with Patroclus and no one can tell me that was simply because they were 'friends'. I believe that their relationship transcends both friendship and love. Definitely read Song of Achilles if you haven't already.
@@ginataylor6357 They were not lovers at all, it never says this anywhere in the illiad nor is it even inferred.
@@ace2k472 ok but we can agree that they were not cousins
@@mrunmaiparab9705 They were functionally/honorary cousins by virtue of how they were raised & the kind of relationship their parents had. Nice try though.
Odysseus , The greatest King of Wisdom and Strategy in this movie , well played by Boromir Sean Bean! Achilles was too smooth as silk and best damn demigod Warrior of speed and agility! Alongside Great mortal Hero Hector of Troy the Tamer of the horses. Man , the story (although not accurately Homer) , the acting, the fights .. this movie is Legendarily fire 🔥!
Achiles, A True Alpha...Period.. When an army Respect you more than the King itself.. Legend
Not only Sean Bean character did not died, but he was responsible for the down fall of Troy
Cousin? Really? I've read the song of Achilles and prefer that version much better
if you read the real illiad written by homer you would know that they were actually cousins/very close friend NOT lovers
he fell in love with briseies in the real book not patroclus
i read the ancient Greek version of it and i saw no reference at all that he loved partoclus as a lover but loved his as a dear friend/cousin
Their fathers were friends and both were apart of Jason's argonauts, thats how they know each other.
After Pat killed a kid, Peleus took him and sent him to Chiron and Achilles on Pelion.
And I'm gonna stick closely to the analysis of actual scholars like Plato who can clearly see they were lovers.
It's not like ancient greece was against incest either, look at the gods.
So the 'cousins' excuse is still lame, they were in love, achilles tried to slit his damn throat at the sight of Patroclus' body (in the iliad).
Like..you're delusional if you think otherwise.
***** Thank you! Achilles and Patroclus are defo not cousins
No problem.
I have a pretty good report from 1909, from someone who explains why Achilles and Patroclus were lovers and why its pretty much a general consensus from readers with common sense, if you want it, I can link.
But they were.
Phoenix even mirrors them in the iliad when he tells the story of Meleager and his wife Cleopatra.
Referencing back to Achilles and Patroclus since throughout the book, Patroclus takes up the role that of a wife to Achilles. iliad constantly describes him as gentle and passive with Achilles.
Achilles also says certain things and embraces Patroclus' body a number of times even after the funeral.
This surpasses any other 'companionship' in the book, even between brothers who die on the field.
Achilles mourning like many scholars say, matches and even surpasses Andromache for Hector.
It's just very obvious but modern scholars never really go that deep into it because well...'No homo'.
But if that was the case they would have presented Patroclus way better in the movie instead of just a younger cousin. They tried their best to not do the authencity of their relationship which was unlimited in the iliad because Achilles is egotistic and aggressive towards everyone, even Briseis when he doesn't want her anymore as a prize when they give her and other spoils back to him. he only yields to Patroclus anytime the two are seen speaking in their tent. Patroclus' first appearance was with him speaking on Achilles' and his last words were literally.."Achilles.."
Lol, this is why most scholars have acknowledged them as clear lovers.
There is no real debate.
I know, right! People just want to make everything straight. Plato's Symposium and even Shakesphere's Troilus and Cressida and Homer's Illiad all potrayed them as having something more than friendship. Achilles literally wants his ashes to be mixed with Patroclus. He murders a god for him and all people thing is, BROMANCE!! Well ITS NOT THAT!
Insane score for this movie 💙‼️ every tune matched the mood
Playing as Odysseus in total war Troy is so satisfactory for my first Total War experience. Ithica in the game is just a small island with the access to abundant resorces that if used right, can gain the defense of all Achean factions.
Dammit, wish Sean Bean had his own Odyssey movie as Odysseus.
I went to the ruins of Troye and its absolutely beautiful to spend time there! I highly recommend it.
I wish I had the stamina, body and bravery of achilles and the brain of odysseus
This is one of the best conversations I've ever heard. Legendary
They really gave Achilles and Patroclus the Sailor Moon treatment😂😩🤧
He was a wise man when he was questioning the guy. But got played into war
Too bad they didn’t follow this movie with “The Odyssey”. Now it is too late.
One thing is certain. This war indeed was never forgotten nor the heroes fought it
..." You have your swords..I have my tricks! We play with the toys the Gods gave us. " Legend...
The music is this scene is so heroic, I love it.
"You taught me never to change sword hands."
"Yes. When you know how to use it - you won't be taking my orders."
After reading the Illead thorougly... well... let's just say I agree with the top comment x)
so how’s it been the last ten years my man
Sean Bean is awesome. He needs to be in more movies. Every part he plays comes off excellent. You can tell the dude has natural charisma.
I would've paid good money to see an Odyssey staring Sean Bean with the vibe of this movie.
he spoke the truth... ned strak will never be forgotten
Brad Pitt will always be remembered as Achilles, the height of his acting career
Totally agree . He will be remembered for troy always . He looks amazing
I watched this movie more than 40 times. My best movie all the time..
This is such a great scene because it shows what *naturally* should bring the utmost joy in life for those striving for noble warriorhood. That is not putting those warrior skills to full use on a battlefield to vanquish large numbers of enemies, as with a mind obsessed with temporal combat. Nor is it using those skills to apply the minimum force necessary to preferably restrain evil, as with a mind obsessed with spiritual combat. It is to ensure the spread of your noble warrior principles across space and over time. Thus *safeguarding* any and all of the heavenly societies *uplifted by love* which exist throughout the galaxy, for the benefit of all righteous beings everywhere.
And that is achieved by continuously developing those skills within yourself and then teaching those skills to a *righteous* mind that *naturally* inclines to noble warriorhood. And that natural inclination should *not* be limited to birth, class, wealth etc etc etc, whatever. Because then you only limit the *joy* to be gained from spreading those noble principles far and wide to safeguard all that is good *everywhere.* Instead it should be *open* to whoever appreciates the teacher and is willing to put in the time and effort to learn and practice those skills. This means a noble warrior will *forever enjoy existence* because they will always have skills to develop and someone to teach.
Troy is a wonderful film for images and words!!!!!! I remember always Troy for characters and history .Men try a new way for believe in the heart and in a new life.
Sean Bean should play Odysseas in a new Odyssey movie. That would be awesome
“This war will never be forgotten and nor will the heroes who fight in it”
How fucking right that geez was
That was his ace line to convince Achilles. Right there, you can see it on Achilles face he's now contemplation. That's not to say he's a manipulative bastard who set his homie up to die in a pointless war. Odysseus wanted Achilles to come cause it would boost the morale of the Greeks and they would have fewer casualties on their side. He wanted his homie there for the sake of the Greeks and not the Ruler.
this scene give me fucking goosebumps , with the music and the fighting . damn epic son
You can just love how they keep reapeting the word "cousin" To evade the idea of Patroclus being historically Achiles Lover
"Historically". First of all, the Iliad is not actual History. It's an epic poem loosely based on the Trojan War that had happened centuries before it was written. And in the original Iliad, Achilles and Patroclus are mentioned as friemds since childhood. Not ONE single mention of them being lovers.
"I have my tricks"
u do indeed, the trick being that ur played by Sean Bean and didnt die
I've have rewinded the beginning scene thousand times just to see that opening maneuver
Sean Bean: “My wife will feel much better if she knows your by my side.”
Me: Catelyn ?
When the camera zooms to Odisseus and Aquiles looks at him by his shoulder, in my opinion, is the best camera shots that i have seen in years. Reminds me old epic movies.
"One does not simply ... talk Achilles into joining a war ..."
Odysseus - They insulted greeks .
Achilles - They insulted one greek..😂😂
3:38 Achilles - "Look at these men..."
Men - Ait imma pretend to be busy
Watching june 2024?
that zoom in on Odysseus though
What zoom
@@arckocsog253 camera getting that close up....
I had seen Armand Asante's The Odyssey before watching this film, so Odysseus became my favorite character of the Trojan War. As such, when I first saw the trailer for Troy, I was super-excited, but one question was constantly on my mind: "Who's playing Odysseus? Who's playing Odysseus?" When I saw the film, and I heard Agamemnon say, "There's only one man he'll listen to.", I got PUMPED because I knew in my heart he was talking about Odysseus. Then I saw Sean Bean was playing him, and I was NOT disappointed with his performance as the character.
2:19
So Achilles was so great a fighter that he could protect Sean Bean from dying.....in a 163 minutes long war movie.
Comfirmed: Achilles was not human. He was a demi-god.
The best music that has ever been in historic movies
Haha "cousins". That's their excuse so they don't have to address how close (*cough* gay) their relationship was.
You're imposing modern denotations, "gay", on an ancient culture.
A woman's purpose was simply to satisfy base lusts.
Like, food, they were necessary, but unsuitable for a genuine "relationship."
So true! Its like when Achilles bitch addressed her 'king' king as uncle and her cousins as cousins
homosexuality was welcome in ancient greece
nahhhh. nahhhh. don't start me with this. it's as if no one gives a shit about Homer and the Illiad!! he states they are related. this is not game of thrones (though it does have sean bean in it)
They were not lovers.
“That’s why no one will remember your name”
Patroclus: "I want to fight"
Achilles: "Not today"
Hi.
"This war will never be forgotten."
Sadly, many of the men who perish in war often are. Only a few are actually remembered. Most are just killed, and later forgotten.
Watch this scene in the directors cut...example of how editing can save a movie
Now that’s sovereigning
"Cousin"
he was his paramour right ?
xDamage69 yup
yeah. this movie pretty much states that clearly.
***** Plato used them as an example of romantic love so they were probably banging
***** Hollywood strays away from the romance, what are you talking about? 😂
The music here is phenomenal.
Achillies: Odysseus, what took you so long?
Odysseus: Sorry, Achillies, I got lost...
Achillies: You seem to make a habit of that. :)
It would be amazing if they said that!😂😂👌
Patroclus and Achilles fighting with "wooden swords". Clever!
WTF NED STARK IS A GREEK!!!
lol
That’s absolute correct
What song name at the beginning ??plz
Akillis The song is called "Never Hesitate" by James Horner.
The story of Troy is one of Wars all over. Bravery, comradeship, technology, death, sorrow, life.