Building a BMW M5 Wagon - S62 V8 M5 Engine Overhaul
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2021
- Our BMW M5 E39 S62 V8 Engine gets a full overhaul before going into the BMW E39 540i Touring Wagon including a DIY rod bearing how to.
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This series is one of the best lexus advertisements ever.
It will end up having a 2JZGTE... He knows, we know.
@@fcorivers hopefully not
BMW episodes stress me out, then the Lexus episodes soothes my mind lol
I would rather stress my head with 10 JDM engine than a german engine..🤣
True thing
Ikr 🤣🤣🤣
what lexus? haha jk i love the LS430. pinnacle of lexus
Owning a Lexus after owning a BMW is bliss.
That’s it! I’m hitting pause and going out to pull the engine out of my wife’s Alltrack. No real reason it just looks cool when you guys do it.
Go for it !!
@@jp2246 I would love to have the 2.0 from my GTI in the Alltrack. Think dealer would notice the 1.8 in the GTI at trade in time?
Make you have a service manual with you if you is your 1st time
Those bearings aren't the worst, but the bottom line is that they were still worn. You've spent more time and effort changing other parts on it, so I hope you feel that it was well worth it. You have nothing to worry about now.
That main seal removal being sped up in a timelapse and still taking long with multiple different tools at different angles is PEAK BMW engineering. I was cracking up.
Had to chuckle about the difference of the last two videos uploaded. Lexus gets trunk struts, actuators, console lid worked on while the BMW has in-depth engine overhaul. Such a difference haha. Love the content and can't wait to see the cars when they're done!
To be fair, we haven't seen if the 430 is gonna need anything, especially once it gets a supercharger. Their transmissions aren't especially strong so they may need to beef some stuff up depending on how much power they're gonna make.
This series is a mess bit I love it :D
Sport sedan battle, but there is only one sport sedan AND this car gets scrapped and they build a wagon instead
@@JMLueckeA7X Oh yeah, for sure. If that happens, well, more content for us :)
With all due respect to Lexus the 3UZFE is arguably one of the most reliable engines ever made.
@@gavinr9107 Well yeah that's pretty well documented at this point lol.
"We heard you guys you want smaller projects" proceeded to wagon swap an M5. I love watching you crazy dudes
I was thinking the same thing! My favorite channel for sure 😂
by now it’s a given. if speed academy gets a bmw engine, rod bearings are getting replaced
Pretty much any engine at all, seems like they're always needing a top to bottom rebuild
BMW motors seem to have rod bearing issues in general.
@@CrossWindsPat, especially M cars.
This series has been awesome. I love the contrast of chill Dave with the VIP lexus, and pete having to perform open heart surgery on this nightmare. Keep it up!
Those bearings looked like EJ25 bearings with 11 miles on them 🔥😀
lmao
Dang dude this hurt my feelings ahahah.. blew my ej with a massive rod knock.. disassembled the whole engine only to find out 1 of the bearings completely shattered to tiny bits... expected after 260k kms (160k miles) and 20lbs of boosting every single day.. mechanic said it probably starved from oil during cornerings as the oil would oil slush up on one side of the pan.. oh well.. got a new one in there with upgraded rods and pistons, oil pan with an oil catch basket so it doesnt move around and upgraded oil pump+cooler.. all good now and running at 24psi @ 415whp
You guys should get in touch with M539 Restorations, that dude is *killing it* with his BMW restos.
"Should we have expected this", mates, and yes, you should have lol. This from someone who loves all things BMW.
Your pic shows next to masochist in the dictionary?
It's a BMW... expect allllll the things 😂
You, guys, in the background laughing like Dr. Evil...
my e46 is running like a champ thanks to you guys !
FCP if it wasn't for us BMW guys you wouldn't have been growing :)
@@Cepera540 us Volvo guys are also doing our part! ;)
"6k Sports sedan challenge" *actual cost will be closer to 20k not including labor
lol! Seriously
And not to mention he's doing a wagon not a sedan...
The block is alusil compound, has different rate of corrosion than the oil pan/timingcase and heads.
Isn't alusil only sprayed on cylinder walls?
@@idokwatcher2062 that's Nikasil. Alusil is the material of the block, a blend of aluminum and silicon. This material, when chemically etched (as is done to the cylinder bores), has a very hard and slightly porous surface (good for maintaining a film of oil and resisting wear).
This is what I’m here to see.. a couple of friends working on cars that need some attention...every obstacle you encounter increases the value of your content... thanks for taking the time and sharing.
idk... he has a lexus.... guest buikder m539 resto?.
"Holyyy Smokes??" Ahhaa we finally know ChrisFix's identity.
Nah. I have a photo of him from a car show back in 2015. 😆
I am a reliability engineer and oil analysis are always subjective if not done frequently. Engines are usually difficult to diagnosis with these because the oil is frequently changed. In your case maybe 3 years ago the copper content was higher but we can''t confirm. This is why having a trend of oil analysis is good but i understand thats it not cheap. In the manufacturing industries we will usually use it to confirm a problem seen by something else (vibration analysis usually). These types of bearing are not even picked up by vibration analysis anyway so the best way is always to inspect them visually. It is a labor intensive job but its cheaper than running them until they trash the engine. Good job looking it up !
Hoping the sc LS will be able to keep up :P Toyota biased here
I get a Blackstone oil analysis performed each oil change. However after seeing those S65 rod bearings bearings and the corresponding oil report I was having second thoughts about continuing to get them. Your comment gives me some piece of mind about still utilizing the analysis but focusing more on trends than a singular report.
BMWs tend to have a distinctive whining sound typical from there owners. I expect the lexus to have a distinctive whine soon aswell except from under the hood. #teamlexus
digital high five! ✋😆
I’m a bimmer guy but this was hilarious
This series is awesome, guys. I love both cars and how you each took a different approach. I’m also making sure to watch the ads and stay to the very end.
Sreten / m539 restorations would not approuve the use of non oem parts ! 🤣
Cooooming up
Glad you took the advise on the rear coolant plate, great work cant wait to see this thing complete.
Love the wagon content! My favorite build series from you guys so far.😊
Favorite videos guys i own LS430 but dream car is and always was E39 M5 and to do wagon swap would just insane. Life goals. Goes to my bucket list 🪣
Love these vids! The effort you guys put in to every video is first class. Keep them. Coming 🤙
1. I love how real your guys are... leads to well informed viewers! Thank you... 2. I hope a BMW engineer can see this and help explain as to why they designed their engines this way! lol
I am looking forward to seeing this engine back in the Touring. I love those BMW's related videos.
Invaluable content right here as I'm going through same procedure myself. Thank you guys!
Dave and PT giving eachother playful jabs is always great to watch, but what I really admire is their respect for eachother. Cheers fellas cant wait to see the results of the builds!
The 6k challenge has been one of my favorite series in recent times. You're satiating my love for fast wagons and VIP cruisers. I want one now, dammit!
This is such a good channel - always great videos and super thorough 👏
I thiiinnk the block is so clean because its alusil vs regular aluminum for the heads and oilpan.
You know I always make sure to like these guys videos, they do good work and I feel like they should be way bigger of a channel! Keep up the good videos guys!
What an undertaking! Bonus points for Dave’s statement about the variety of horrible fluids seeping from every orifice of the engine block. Great video as always guys!
When that thing goes back in, you have to give us some sound clips without the air box cover! It’s only responsible to hear those itbs.
I love your guys’ content, after binging all of it I look forward to every new video.
Had never needed a torque angle gauge before. Went to Princess Auto this morning and saw a Gearwrench torgue angle gauge in surplus section. I now own a torque angle gauge.
best engine ever! doing swap in e31 cant wait to see results
I agree with the ones who says that these series are pretty awesome. Looking forward to the future episodes and finally see them both complete!
Guys!!!! That time lapse tho!! So legit, so entertaining!
Great Work Guys!!!! Thanks for showing the infamous rod bearing change!!! Not such a scary Monster Fix after all, after the 15 hour dismantle job , just to get to them. Minus all that great work Thanks
The back and forth banter is hilarious. Great stuff guys
I love how the Toyota is just relaxing there lol
As an AMG guy, seeing some of the pieces of this engine and how well they are designed, makes me appreciate it and forgive rod bearings a little more. On the contrary, some of the design is terrible... Still an M113 guy, but man, wish we got those headers and ITB intake from factory back then!
Love watching you guys show very entertaining
Im digging the BMW content!! Keep it up guys! 🔥
Love the content. That fake M5 wagon looks so cool. Actually the Lexus does too! You guys make me feel like I could start a project car tomorrow.
Mmm, I have fond memories of doing this to my E39 M5 in my garage back in the day. I bought it and the rod bearings were completely trashed so I did the job on my back on jack stands (not fun!). It turned out just fine and I had a great time with the M5 afterwards, those were the golden days.
Doing that job on the floor. Your a mad man. Should they consider the timing guides while it's out of the car?
I had the same oil analysis results with my E90 M3's S65 engine. Blackstone results came back normal but I replaced the bearings anyway. They were on their last legs.
How many miles?
Keep up the good work guys!
Late to the series, but its been a great binge while working from home. Cheers!
Nice work!
Big job. Cool video, very interesting
From someone that started down this path a couple years ago, it’s great to see another M5 Touring build. When I did my rod bearings they looked fine but had already purchased all the bits so...I typically purchase everything from FCP but ECS offered WPC treated bearings. I spring for those.
As for your hassle with the S62 on the engine stand, that’s too relatable! From trusting 4 bolts, rotating it and then things getting in the way.
Great job and Paul is a great guy to help out as well. He’s helped me over the years.
How’s the WPC treated bearing compared to stock?
@@Ola_Bjorsvik check out some videos here on UA-cam. The simplified description is, they are treated using a process which reduces friction be being coated which wears off. It’s amazing to see the metals they treat and the results they have. You can use it on gears, transmissions, etc.
@@sl67350 wow.. that’s interesting.
Do you know if it’s really expensive?
Cant wait to see the m5 finished 😍
I'd have been tempted to check the mains while I was in there even if they aren't a weak point in that engine.
Great work guys!
This episode is exacly why I sold my E39 M5. I loved it and enjoyed it but I'm simply done with BMW V8. I "downgraded" to S52 engine (I've put it in my E39 528 along with 5 speed manual). Yes, I've lost bunch of HP and torque but working on inline 6 is such a joy and it's fast enough for me. With just completed custom exhaust (the whole system) I'm at around 3500 lbs which makes my E39 500 lbs lighter than M5 and it has real steering, lol.
Loving the bmw content!
I would love to see you guys pick up a 135i for a track project. Amazing bang for the buck.
Guess I’ll get up and watch! So pumped for this. Trying to get my own 2001 5 series wagon soon!
Great video, S62 is a race engine for the street,I don't understand have fcp euro make money, i hope they will be in business in years to come.
I would buy a SA branded apron like what you guys are wearing in the vid :)
Another awesome video - looks like Pete and Dave will be hitting the anti inflammatory meds in the next few days!
I think oil tests are a good tool. I worked for a battery company. Our trucks were nearly always maxed out because ideally for every battery you sell you want to collect a core. The owner ran synthetic oil in the motor, transmission and axles and he had the oil analysis done. Those trucks are still going with the original power train. That impressed me. I own a Ram and some Hemi engines are having lifter and camshaft problems, so I'm doing the oil analysis to get an idea of how the motor is wearing.
They are useful. I towed my trailer through the Rockies, and after 5000km got the oil tested. I then put on 5000km of short town driving and a little towing. Around town was alot harder on the oil and motor. Since the Ram is my daily I like getting a better idea in how the motor is doing. Also with the price of a replacement being so expensive I want this truck to last a while.
23:00 by looking at the rust on the flywheel; it has been leaking.
Perfect timing on the bearing repair. Any longer and a knock would develop eventually pumping shavings throughout the engine and the repairs would have been much more extensive. Most of the bearings I see (in the commercial diesel industry) once the soft metal/polymer layers disappear the bearings have a handful of hours at full load before everything comes apart.
The stark difference between the BMW and Lexus is insane but also very entertaining I'm really glad you picked these two cars... I'm team Lexus bcuz I own an old LX470 but looking forward to a good battle in the end ... Great content guys!
BMW: Here for a good time, not a long time.
The block usually looks different because its a different type of alloy. Had the same with some other engines
12 mins ago, I'm slacking. I had a 540i and always lusted after the wagon
rod bearings are a ticking time bomb, all of my friends have had bmws myself included have spun bearings, 2 E46 M3 S54, 2 S52's lack of attention to bearings goes boom
Such a feat of engineering excellence!
Sorry, late reply to the LS videos.
I love how you editing out when you realize you had two of the engine stand mounts in the lower oil pan.
Ha, didn’t want to bore people with another 10 secs of e of us fumbling to move them around.
One oil analysis usually won’t tell you much. The benefit comes in doing it at regular intervals over an extended period of time. It allows you to see deltas during this time span which could indicate issues. Worth it for lifer cars in your stable.
I laughed so hard I cried when he said the bearings should last another 100,000 miles!! For that alone I thank you, it's been a hard week and I needed a good smile.
My S62 block has the same look. I think it just resists corrosion much better than the surrounding materials.
nice job man from north Germany
Wow, 9:50 that table looks like the best Christmas ever
My B5s4 has a gasket like that on the back of the engine that also is part of the rear main seal. I replaced it torqued it to spec and it was machined wrong... got the whole car together filled it with coolant and then had to tear it back apart!
For the flywheel removal I purchased a cheap set of deep Allen sockets from harbor freight...and ground down the sides of the proper size until it fit through the holes..didn't take much....and no need to buy the special tool..
Had a friend with an e60 m5 and he kept pouring sooo much money, and when the smog and rod bearings failed he called it quits, but far out nothing sounds better like it
YESSS lets fire alll the jdm bullets DP👌
Gotta get my cheap shots in while I can! 😆
Hey guys. I'm enjoying the series! I bought my e39 M5 a year ago and the rod bearings were done on it with about 160k on the clock and they look similar in wear. For what it,s worth the BMW specialty tech mentioned that they were not bad.
Mine has 161k on it and they are still original, fingers crossed.
DP has learned his lesson on picking project cars. Between this bmw and the evo he’s taken a whole year off while Pete has been busting ass in the shop.
DP grilling PT about his BMW the the very end 🤣
There was an issue with the Nikasil bores pitting on early cars so might be a factory replacement block
i thought they moved to alusil since late prod M60?
Yeah that was e34 v8s
This is something I didn't do when I was a younger mechanic, but now, man I prefer spending (and not wasting I guarantee you) a few minutes chasing threads, cleaning, blowing with air, brake cleaner, brushing, triple checking, clean the bolts I'm reusing that are exposed to dirt etc, it makes you life much easier. And when you assemble everything back, you can make the difference between "it must be crap somewhere" vs "I'm sure I'm pulling the threads right now". About the bearings it's hard to tell, it's a matter of clearance, whether you race it or dialy it, long vs short trips, very cold start or not etc. Those bearings could have done more with good oil, relaxed driving and longer trips with nice oil temp I'd say. Of course in the long term it could have been worse and risking damaging the crank isn't worth it anyway
Welcome to BMW M power, this is why I kept with my M54!, though the reason why gaskets start to leak on all engines is heat cycling. NBR rubber perishies after a couple of years.
Those bearings show alot of detonation, not worn from lack of oil lubricity or oil starvation, but the fact they're worn at around the 11-12 o'clock position shows theyve been slamming into the crankshaft on the compression stroke ever so slightly thats normal to see on an engine with violent combustion taking place thanks to detonation usually caused with firing the ignition that much to early ie spicy tuning even from factory
As if the engine doesnt have knock detection, dont think your explantion is correct
@@user-yn5sk5ru5g Knock protection wont prevent an engine from knocking, it minimises it.
Also knock sensors arent all that great at detecting knock quite frankly. Ive done many a data log on engines with zero knock registered but peppering all over the spark plugs indicating knock. Knock sensors are bolted to the outside of most engines. Spark plugs are right there in combustion chamber where its all happening. I'll take my eyes and what physics are telling me over what a computer says all day everyday.
This is normal wear on the uppers for bmws. Have a look around and you will see that is the wear pattern, not from detonation.
Timing guides are a must with that mileage and the motor already out.
On my e46, there was a tag from bmw noting engine block and build date on the back side of the block right above the bell housing. Might be the same here.
This is why you do regular oil analysis. Those bearings still have life in them but once you hit the soft layer they will wear super fast. Oil analysis will show critical level.
In regards to oil analysis, I've heard mixed results using Blackstone (despite it being the default lab), but have had great results with Dyson Analysis. They were able to help me diagnose things very quickly with my STI, and seemed to have good knowledge concerning these more "problematic" motors like the EJ257 or various M cars with bearing problems.
I love how changing bearings turns into replacing everything "while we're in here." The bane of my life, lmao.
The oil analysis just shows that the bearings are still okay and would tell you when they've worn through the copper. Not the end all be all on engine health but will definitely tell you when it's time for a rebuild.
Good morning from the road.
Learning just how difficult German cars can be relative to their Japanese counterparts is a right of passage for any DIY mechanic
Mitsubishi's are a pig to work on. The plugs and fasteners are just cheap quality and a few always either break or strip out. Love the 4G63 fundamentally for it's strength and tunability. Hate the connectors that randomly break
Mitsubishi's are a pig to work on. The plugs and fasteners are just cheap quality and a few always either break or strip out. Love the 4G63 fundamentally for it's strength and tunability. Hate the connectors that randomly break
It's all relative just different processes and methods to working on them. I've loved doing stuff in my vw it's a dream compared to the Subaru in the garage
@@ahoneyman iv worked on a few mistys they can be pricks i must agree not as bad as working on bmws thow i fucking hate them the engineers at bmw should be strung up ima just go away and quietly work on hondas lol nice and easy
I wonder if you can check the vin with someone at bmw to see if the short block was replaced under warranty
I agree with some commenters. Based on the internals, this engine has had some long engine change intervals. As such, probably makes sense to change to chain guides since you already had the oil pain and valve covers off. Not that much more work, particularly with the engine on the stand.
I was thinking about buying a e39 m5 but not anymore! Are you going to open up the timing cover? Research shows this is much easier to perform with engine out.