@@morgan1985uk It depends. Chopping hands is pretty old-fashioned, they still do it in villages. Saudis in particular send them to construction jobs and pretty they are modern-day slave.
@@1chaka You can't compare the two. Boxing has a history and recognition and is watched all over the world. The world knows about Ali and Tyson. I can't even name one current UFC champion.
@@samuelhannan5420hasbro don’t have a history of luring journalists to a consulate before murdering them cos they disagree with what the journalist wrote.
BOXERS own boxing, bro. Just cos Turkeys Halall Shake might be organizing everything and whatnot, if the boxers don't turn up then THERE IS NO BOXING! It has to be a partnership. But the parasites have to go, one way or the other.
No the worst thing is when a corporation owns everything. Turki doesn't mind losing money on great events, but corporations must always suck out as much profit as possible at all times. The fighter salaries for UFC are a joke when you compare it to the profits they make.
@@TheStraightestWhitest The worst ever ducking in UFC is at most someone holding up a division for a year. Boxing people like Tyson have ducked AJ for over 5+ years in the making so it's not even close
A super league is kinda a natural evolution from the team based 5v5 formula. I think the problem is that its coming from Saudi, we can all agree its sports washing at its most blatant...but by the same token Turkiye comes across as a genuine and legitimate boxing fan.
The problem is if you look at a unified organisation like the UFC the fighters make peanuts and the ownership make bank. Boxers already have a history of being exploited, and it's only likely to get worse if they dont have the ability to negotiate with leverage.
Historically, great artists would have a "patron", which is just a rich guy or prince that likes that person's art, and supports him financially. Turki is like a patron of boxing. He really loves boxing and respects the boxers. The UFC on the other hand is a soulless corporation that must make bigger and bigger profits every single year. If a corporation fails to make a profit they can legally be sued by their shareholders for breach of fiduciary duty. There is the difference.
A kind of "super League" for boxing already existed in the form of the Muhammad Ali Trophy, tournament-style competition whith all champions & top contenders of a given weight class. (Notable winners being dre Ward, Inoue & Usyk himself). And it absolutely delivered imo. Idk about the saudi plans but a 'league-style' tournament in boxing (/ fighting sports) is unfeasible, but I'd love to see another tournament to unify the belts in at least one weight class
With the current model of boxing everyone's a champion. That's what puts people off boxing is the incredibly complicated system as everyone has a belt and most of them you've never heard of it. Simplify it and make it like the UFC model where you have 1 champion per weight division and all the ranked opponents need to face each other to get a shot at the champion.
It’s mental when you think about the old era fighters who fought at the top level every 3 weeks with records of 186 fights or something. Guys like Archie Moore who was still fighting champions at the age of 65! With gloves that barely had any padding and rules and refs that didn’t stop the fight until someone was half dead and sagging on the ropes. Boxing back in those days was insane!
Boxing has a long history of association with dubious bankrollers, the Mafia, Don King the convicted murderer, Kinahan cartel and brutal dictatorships like Zaire's Mobutu, now it's the Saudis turn. That's boxing for you, still love the fight game though.
Absolutely, though this is sportswashing on a scale rarely seen since the Roman Empire. Most fans don't care about the horrors perpetrated behind the scenes so long as they get their spectacle. If the boxing bodies had done their job, SA wouldn't be needed.
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Remember K-1 Grand Prix? Boxing should do that! I don't mind watching seven 4-round fights in a row to determine a champion out of eight contenders in a single night. And no fighter would have to fight more than 12 rounds total.
@@nUmBskulLL they stopped the WSOB and WBSS because of Covid mate. The Sauderlands had no choice but to stop it... So yes, there actually was a reason...
Ive been an avid supporter of boxing since a was 16 years owld so going on 30 year now and im loving the direction its taking, high and lows watched it all, but a can genuinely see the saudis are gunna fix the broken format we've been so used to that weve known nowt else, am all for it, let's see what the next few year bring 👍
On one hand you get amazing fights, on the other you get an atmosphere where if somebody shows excitement and yells after a knockout or something they get dragged off and never seen again
Absolutely needs to happen. Boxing has been cannibalising itself with these belts and sanctioning bodies for some time now. The idea of being a "world champion" is completely meaningless if there could be hypothetically 3 other fighters claiming to be the "real" champion, because they have a different coloured belt. It's so hard to be undisputed not only in a boxing sense, but a bureaucratic sense too, all the bodies want a piece of the pie. Scrap them all, why should we be loyal to them? What loyalty do we owe to them? They don't give af about the fans
BOXXER has their route to Saudi through CBS. If he unifies, the double excellent will have the undisputed with Opetaia in Saudi no doubt. Really looking forward to see what this league is all about. Best vs best, sign me up. Launch it on your own platform and your laughing. No offense, DAZN, TNT, ESPN etc etc, but this could truly be the one subscription for all the boxing id need. Heres hoping the league wont ignore the smaller names coming through., but based on him getting Mark Chamberlain over, I have hopes plans will be in place to make sure they wont be forgotten.
The only downside I see with this right now is that it will create a monopoly. It might be the solution for fixing the boxing circus at the moment, but it will eventually and inevitably go down the shitter like any other monopoly always does.
Fantastic idea, at present you can have world champions who fight nobodies and avoid the fighters that all fans know will be dangerous to them, to avoid the risk, but they still claim to be the best in the world. Hope it happens, one world champion at each weight
I don't know about a boxing super league, but when I saw Usyk holding up a belt that said Undisputed that Turki gave him, made me wish that there was only one belt per weight division. I wish there was a way for Turki or anyone else to merge the four different sanctioning bodies into one.
That's what made you wish there was only one belt? The one belt that looks like it was made out of a cornflakes box. Been saying for years. Each of the 4 sanctioning bodies buy an equal stake in the Ring belt, then use their own belts as eliminators for the actual ring title. The rest can be fringe world champions and have 1 clear champ in each division. Personally I'd love to see them bin all the belts and just have one overnight, but that won't be allowed happen.
or just have an indisputed title in every division - the only one people care about that he owns. doesn't need the other titles if the undisputed belt is genuinely held by the best fighter in the world and not passed around on politics.
Everyone talking like most champs don’t fight 1ce maybe 2ce a year boxing would become so fucking stagnant and a champ could easily hold the division when ever he wanted if he was the only one.
@@2moreminutes As a kid? When I was a kid, UFC was an 8 person (or 16 person) one-night, single elimination tournament. Now THAT would be great for boxing, but you'd have to have like 4 round fights.
A bangon vid this . The Super league would indeed be rid of the greed from the WBC. The latest and most obvious case for corruption was in the face of the world when a WBC judge gave the Usyk Fury fight 117 - 112 to Fury . It's now at the point of blatant corruption because noone challenges it. Bravo for calling this out in such a diplomatic way. Bangon
I grew up watching boxing all my life and only recently started to understand the belt system in boxing🥊 They really do need to stay considering a consolidated league because fighter pay is getting in the way of generational fights!!
I know this might be a stupid take, so just try to hear me out. What if boxers fought with other boxers in the same country to compete in earning a title in their own country. Then, later on, champions of other countries can compete on winning a world title. Again, this is probably a stupid idea, but this randomly popped in my head, lol
Say what you want but Prince Turki has, so far, done nearly everything right and may be saving boxing and making it great again. Utter dream cards and fighters actually fighting each other in their peaks every 3 to 6 months so we really really see who rises to the top not by 2 bouts over 2 years to carefully chosen styles etc. Turki making boxing great again! MBGA!
One of the things i like about UFC is that people dont get binned as soon as they take a loss because the best are fighting the best. Whereas boxing has so many journeymen to pad fighters records and make them seem invincible.
Yeah with the UFC you assume that people are going to be taking a loss here or there, it's only if they start having a consistent string of losses that you start to lose faith in a fighter - even then some of them have turned that around.
Well look how people treat Fury now that he's lost. This is your own faults. If you were more accepting of losses, fighters wouldn't fear taking risks.
@@TheStraightestWhitest To be fair Fury is a cocky bastard and a lot of people are just glad to see him be taken down a peg. Even as a Fury fan I want to see him be more humble.
But what does it mean for the lower level fighters that don't have a huge following yet? This only sounds like a good idea for the ones who are already household names
@@seanisnotjohn that's true, but at least prospects get get built up fighting different styles of opponents. With this, prospects would have to fights champions in order for it to sell.
Buying up the promotions is less helpful than buying up all the belts, then binning them. You need promotors to sell fights, most fighters are not gobby salesmen, so you need a mouth to get people excited. Its all about priorities, getting everyone paid and fairly, getting excitement and atmosphere and lastly getting everyone shiny belts imo.
Here is my 2 cents. There is this super league with their own belts. Call it the TBL (Turki Boxing League) or what ever. When you win a belt you have to defend it with in 4 months. You can only fight for a TBL belt in a TBL fight, no other belts from other boxing associations can be on the line in a TBL fight. TBL fights are simple 80/20 split on the purse, 80 to winner & 20 to loser. Change the scoring system to stop draws. The TBL fighters are allowed to take other fights outside of the TBL but champions will be locked into that 4 month defend clause. Winning purses for TBL championship fights will be paid on the next TBL fight. This will stop a fighter scooping a big payday, the belt and never coming back to the TBL.
That was piss funny! Props to you. I don't know how I've missed this channel in the past but, I'm subscribing right now to ensure I don't miss it in the future. In regards to the super league of boxing; it's certainly an interesting concept and would hopefully give the fans the best fights, though I wonder how you get promoted and relegated to and from it once the initial boxers are picked. Say a young protege comes along, how would they get into the league? Would they have a 2nd division, 3rd division etc like football or would it just be down to Turki's choice? Keep up the great work! I look forward to your future posts.
Rather than buy out the promotion companies, why not buy all the sanctioning bodies. Then they’ll have the power to enforce exciting mandatories and can actually make the champions fight each other. That achieves the same goal as the league without having to make a complicated league structure
What will likely happen if they pull this off is that they will start with each of the top 15 of each weight class being a part of the league. But after putting on some super fights between those fighters they will then offer out contracts outside of the top 15 so they can climb the rankings. This is how the UFC currently does it as they have plenty of low ranked fighters that fight. With the UFC spending a lot less money than boxing and have been putting out fights with greater frequency ever since the Saudi’s got involved to make the process of making fights even sooner.
One belt per division is just what makes sense. I don't see it being a problem in terms of people getting title shots. It just means the top contender fights will be much more interesting and 'visible'. By visible, I mean it'll be clear that top contender fights are worth watching because they are actually top contenders. Rather than having 80 top contenders spread across 4 organisations, we can have 20 under one. It'll make getting a title shot tougher, as it should be. But will make it much easy for fans to keep up with who's who in boxing and entice new fans to the sport. You could still have other belts for special occasions. Like the WBC diamond belt for matches between two legends who are semi-retired and something like the BMF belt from UFC which generally puts two really exciting competitors together.
This is how the UFC started, and eventually what it became is a promotion that doesn't pay its fighters near what they're worth. I like the idea in principle. It just needs to be managed in a way that benefits the fighters before anything else.
I've been saying for years that there were too many belts at world level. I didn't even try to count the others. 1 world belt per weight... and make fewer weight classes as well.
Its a bad idea. The champ cant fight all other 14 in the league, as that would take 7 years. Also.... Eddie wont give up his ring masters role, he loves it too much. This is gonna end up splitting boxing even more in the long run. Imagine Eddie sells up and one year later he starts up Matchroom 2.0 to compete in a new league (sorta identical to the format we have today 😉).
That point about the ‘you can’t have one belt or the division will never move’ is kinda shit. Like look at the ufc, champs usually fight twice a year and top contenders fight eachother to make a clear number 1. Works fine
I am that friend who knows nothing about boxing, saw on UA-cams the other day “Ben Whittaker in IBF International light heavyweight title” and I thought “bloody hell I thought he just did all that mucking about for Instagram but he’s in an International (world?) title fight? i need to see this!” Then all the comments are saying he’s going to come unstuck when he fights a British or European title fight. Totally confused. Fridge magnets indeed.
I'm a big fan of MMA, if I'm honest I'm more of a casual in boxing. I know enough to recognise that both sports have huge issues, primarily where the promoters and promotions are concerned. As frustrating as it is not to have the best face the best in any sport, at least boxers at the top level are generally well compensated, as opposed to the greater part of the UFC's roster. I fear given enough time and success, any dominant promotion or 'super league' has the potential to place itself ahead of the fighters.
I'm against this for one reason Propa......by having this league it gates people, that's the beauty of boxing, a person can turn pro in any country and work their way up the ranks. Once this league starts you have to get 'in' before you can do anything. So it might make the best fights but from a limited league pool ......so how can it be the best fighting the best? Bosch!
The problem I see is, based on what the best for this league would be chosen? Ticket sales or skill? Let's imagine this league already in place in 2023/24, who would have been the HWs in it? For sure Wilder, was any Wilder fight actually good to watch after th 3 Fury ones? At the same time would have been someone like Kabayel in it? I totally agree with the discussion about having way too many belts and consequentially too many "champions", but the solution imo is not to create a closed league owned by 1 company.
In theory it will be amazing. No ducking, no politics just pure boxing and proper recognised champs. And all those leaches like wbc sulaiman can get lost. But the only problem is that it can become a monopoly and some fighters will never get a chance to win the championship
I like the idea of the best fighting the best. However, the beauty of the mandatory system is that styles make fights and that's how upsets happen. When Buster Douglas beat Tyson, he wasn't a top 15 fighter so he wouldn't have been part of a boxing super league. Same goes for Leon Spinks when he beat Ali. Same goes for Michael Spinks when he beat Holmes. And so on. Upsets are what make the HW division particularly intriguing and this would be lost under a super league type of system.
The only thing i dont like about the saudi is the atmosphere. A tennis match has better crowd reactions. Also gervonta just wanted to fight someone as a preparation for loma/shakur or any other fight because he hadn't fought since april 2023. I think he will finally fight an elite right now. Good vid unc propa 👍🏻
Love to see it happen. Unfortunately over half the “ champions “ out there will all of a sudden find enough $ to retire. Boxing has become a joke. I’m afraid that no matter what Turk does he can’t stop corruption. Paid off refs and judges are the main weapons of the promoters and regardless of what you pay them the promoters can offer a little extra to see things their way.
There being so many belts is exactly the reason someone can be a world champion and you have never heard of them 😂
What, you think Rolly Romero wasn' t legit?
Who?@@marccreation1052
@@marccreation1052he isn’t, blokes a 🤡🤡
I'd make it so it's only 3 titles per weight category as one doesn't work for boxing..as boxers only box once two twice year.
@@saqib7965this is one of the most retarded sentences ive ever read.
lowest ranked fighter at the end of every season gets called into the embassy and never seen again.
😂
I thought they just chopped their hands off?
@@morgan1985uk It depends. Chopping hands is pretty old-fashioned, they still do it in villages. Saudis in particular send them to construction jobs and pretty they are modern-day slave.
🤣
@@samanthahydeker7914 they bring Asians in for construction.
The best fight the best. No ducking
@scabthecat Delusional to think this will happen when you have no idea what it costs both the fighters and the people paying them.
@scabthecat yeah that's too much. 3 is ideal with no looming injuries.
@@TheStraightestWhitestUFX fighters get paid a fraction of the paydays boxers get but they fight that often.
@@1chaka You can't compare the two. Boxing has a history and recognition and is watched all over the world. The world knows about Ali and Tyson. I can't even name one current UFC champion.
@@1chakaThe average UFC fighter fights 1 or 2 times per year at most.
Saudi money doesn’t talk it shouts!
SCREAMS!
They even own The Premier League and it's Referees.
"Silver ginger continental belt" had me cracking up lol
Turkey needs to EMPLOY PROPA to promote his fights.
He did already
he already is involved
I would love to see him get ShowBizz involved too
@@ichloe9 You people don't see it?
It's never good when one man owns everything but this belt circus must end.
Hasbro has a monopoly on Monopoly.
@@samuelhannan5420hasbro don’t have a history of luring journalists to a consulate before murdering them cos they disagree with what the journalist wrote.
BOXERS own boxing, bro. Just cos Turkeys Halall Shake might be organizing everything and whatnot, if the boxers don't turn up then THERE IS NO BOXING!
It has to be a partnership. But the parasites have to go, one way or the other.
@@samuelhannan5420do they? I thought they just made Transformers? I never knew that
No the worst thing is when a corporation owns everything. Turki doesn't mind losing money on great events, but corporations must always suck out as much profit as possible at all times. The fighter salaries for UFC are a joke when you compare it to the profits they make.
Boxing super league??? Love that idea
yeah fr
Yeah is definitely a good idea. Boxing needs some structure and also updating. The UFC model is just great for the fans
@@MoralesCorner The UFC model is the worst there is. The judging, reffing, and ducking never ends.
@@TheStraightestWhitest The worst ever ducking in UFC is at most someone holding up a division for a year. Boxing people like Tyson have ducked AJ for over 5+ years in the making so it's not even close
A super league is kinda a natural evolution from the team based 5v5 formula. I think the problem is that its coming from Saudi, we can all agree its sports washing at its most blatant...but by the same token Turkiye comes across as a genuine and legitimate boxing fan.
WBC Silver ginger continental belt. Uncle you make me laugh . Quality content
The Fridge Magnet 😂
The problem is if you look at a unified organisation like the UFC the fighters make peanuts and the ownership make bank. Boxers already have a history of being exploited, and it's only likely to get worse if they dont have the ability to negotiate with leverage.
Historically, great artists would have a "patron", which is just a rich guy or prince that likes that person's art, and supports him financially. Turki is like a patron of boxing. He really loves boxing and respects the boxers.
The UFC on the other hand is a soulless corporation that must make bigger and bigger profits every single year. If a corporation fails to make a profit they can legally be sued by their shareholders for breach of fiduciary duty. There is the difference.
@@TeacherDoug7yes but what happens after he is no longer here
"Gold and silver franchise fridge magnet, that no one gives a f**k about." (I've just nearly spit my pint out. 😂😂😂)
You watch UA-cam videos in the pub ? Bet your a great laugh on a night out !!!
"I didnt want to be in the league anyway" 😂
Uncle propa had me in tears with that one he always brightens my day the mad man 😂
im crying laughing at that
A kind of "super League" for boxing already existed in the form of the Muhammad Ali Trophy, tournament-style competition whith all champions & top contenders of a given weight class. (Notable winners being dre Ward, Inoue & Usyk himself). And it absolutely delivered imo.
Idk about the saudi plans but a 'league-style' tournament in boxing (/ fighting sports) is unfeasible, but I'd love to see another tournament to unify the belts in at least one weight class
Exactly the super series is adequate enough, just bring that back.
The idea you suggested about drug testing is bang on the money Propa💯🥊🔥🔥🔥🔥
This guy is single handedly saving boxing!
sad that saving the sport only works by brute force money
@@kuschelwuscheII don't care WHY they fight each other!
@@kuschelwuscheI tell me something that doesnt work by the force of money.
@@jurgenzimmermann2786 happiness, integrity, friendship, love, art, satisfaction, family, experience
@@jurgenzimmermann2786 happiness
With the current model of boxing everyone's a champion. That's what puts people off boxing is the incredibly complicated system as everyone has a belt and most of them you've never heard of it. Simplify it and make it like the UFC model where you have 1 champion per weight division and all the ranked opponents need to face each other to get a shot at the champion.
Agree with the one exception, as HW division in UFC is now a fuckin shit show, as Jon Jones is stalling the division.
The way boxing used to be you mean
@@Dex2024Is that really how boxing used to be? What changed it?
@@otaieb48 greed and TV companies.
Strap in for the boxing revolution!!!
It’s mental when you think about the old era fighters who fought at the top level every 3 weeks with records of 186 fights or something. Guys like Archie Moore who was still fighting champions at the age of 65! With gloves that barely had any padding and rules and refs that didn’t stop the fight until someone was half dead and sagging on the ropes. Boxing back in those days was insane!
100% about telling friends about title fights who havent followed boxing in 30 yrs
Boxing has a long history of association with dubious bankrollers, the Mafia, Don King the convicted murderer, Kinahan cartel and brutal dictatorships like Zaire's Mobutu, now it's the Saudis turn. That's boxing for you, still love the fight game though.
Absolutely, though this is sportswashing on a scale rarely seen since the Roman Empire. Most fans don't care about the horrors perpetrated behind the scenes so long as they get their spectacle. If the boxing bodies had done their job, SA wouldn't be needed.
It's more about Saudi showing you who they are, rather than what you hear about from the media for years.
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Bish bash bosh 🥊🥊
Should just do tournaments in certain weight classes that need it every year.
Remember K-1 Grand Prix? Boxing should do that! I don't mind watching seven 4-round fights in a row to determine a champion out of eight contenders in a single night. And no fighter would have to fight more than 12 rounds total.
Mate they stopped those for a reason 😂
@@nUmBskulLL they stopped the WSOB and WBSS because of Covid mate. The Sauderlands had no choice but to stop it... So yes, there actually was a reason...
Keep holding hands anything can happen ❤
I needed a laugh this morning. propa always deliver.
Ive been an avid supporter of boxing since a was 16 years owld so going on 30 year now and im loving the direction its taking, high and lows watched it all, but a can genuinely see the saudis are gunna fix the broken format we've been so used to that weve known nowt else, am all for it, let's see what the next few year bring 👍
On one hand you get amazing fights, on the other you get an atmosphere where if somebody shows excitement and yells after a knockout or something they get dragged off and never seen again
As a fairly casual boxing fan, I don't care about belts at all. I just want to see the best fight each other.
2:12 Never seen Voldemort crack up like that before
Great vid Propa. Don't think we will hear anything on this for a while but love the conversation
I have followed boxing a long time and never concerned myself with percentage of governing bodies but wtf explains a proppa lot cheers proppa ❤❤
Absolutely needs to happen. Boxing has been cannibalising itself with these belts and sanctioning bodies for some time now. The idea of being a "world champion" is completely meaningless if there could be hypothetically 3 other fighters claiming to be the "real" champion, because they have a different coloured belt. It's so hard to be undisputed not only in a boxing sense, but a bureaucratic sense too, all the bodies want a piece of the pie. Scrap them all, why should we be loyal to them? What loyalty do we owe to them? They don't give af about the fans
BOXXER has their route to Saudi through CBS. If he unifies, the double excellent will have the undisputed with Opetaia in Saudi no doubt. Really looking forward to see what this league is all about. Best vs best, sign me up. Launch it on your own platform and your laughing. No offense, DAZN, TNT, ESPN etc etc, but this could truly be the one subscription for all the boxing id need.
Heres hoping the league wont ignore the smaller names coming through., but based on him getting Mark Chamberlain over, I have hopes plans will be in place to make sure they wont be forgotten.
The only downside I see with this right now is that it will create a monopoly. It might be the solution for fixing the boxing circus at the moment, but it will eventually and inevitably go down the shitter like any other monopoly always does.
Fantastic idea, at present you can have world champions who fight nobodies and avoid the fighters that all fans know will be dangerous to them, to avoid the risk, but they still claim to be the best in the world.
Hope it happens, one world champion at each weight
Saudi fights are fire tbh. The stage, Arena, the walk out setups. Fury’s ring walk was the best I’ve ever scene. They’re cinematic.
Three cheers for the double excellent, Turki Alalshikh…
I don't know about a boxing super league, but when I saw Usyk holding up a belt that said Undisputed that Turki gave him, made me wish that there was only one belt per weight division. I wish there was a way for Turki or anyone else to merge the four different sanctioning bodies into one.
That's what made you wish there was only one belt? The one belt that looks like it was made out of a cornflakes box.
Been saying for years. Each of the 4 sanctioning bodies buy an equal stake in the Ring belt, then use their own belts as eliminators for the actual ring title. The rest can be fringe world champions and have 1 clear champ in each division.
Personally I'd love to see them bin all the belts and just have one overnight, but that won't be allowed happen.
or just have an indisputed title in every division - the only one people care about that he owns. doesn't need the other titles if the undisputed belt is genuinely held by the best fighter in the world and not passed around on politics.
It's one of the things that appealed to me in MMA as a kid. I couldn't memorize however many champs for however many weight classes in boxing
Everyone talking like most champs don’t fight 1ce maybe 2ce a year boxing would become so fucking stagnant and a champ could easily hold the division when ever he wanted if he was the only one.
@@2moreminutes As a kid? When I was a kid, UFC was an 8 person (or 16 person) one-night, single elimination tournament. Now THAT would be great for boxing, but you'd have to have like 4 round fights.
A bangon vid this . The Super league would indeed be rid of the greed from the WBC. The latest and most obvious case for corruption was in the face of the world when a WBC judge gave the Usyk Fury fight 117 - 112 to Fury . It's now at the point of blatant corruption because noone challenges it. Bravo for calling this out in such a diplomatic way. Bangon
Love your content brother. We need more. Would love if the double excellent turkey gives propa a job❤
I grew up watching boxing all my life and only recently started to understand the belt system in boxing🥊
They really do need to stay considering a consolidated league because fighter pay is getting in the way of generational fights!!
The Manny charr 3% to the WBC =£4 had me in stitches for ages😂😂😂
6:17 The Jarrell Miller impression was gold.
It just gets better and better 😀
I know this might be a stupid take, so just try to hear me out. What if boxers fought with other boxers in the same country to compete in earning a title in their own country. Then, later on, champions of other countries can compete on winning a world title. Again, this is probably a stupid idea, but this randomly popped in my head, lol
Brilliant informative and amusing video as ever , nice one Propa 👍
Propa's on the payroll :( Great atmosphere in Saudi isn't it 😢
Nahhh you can’t prove that. Wait.. maybe we can
He 100% is🤣
I’d say it’ll mostly be in Saudi but like the ufc they’ll probably travel to different countries as well
Well he’s right about how it will be better for the sport
Great atmosphere for fights nobody wants
This way no one can duck anyone and the fans get the fights they deserve
That’s almost as many different belts as Man United has football kits
Almost but not quite
Imagine being a Man United fan
Once upon a time @@SirSalter
And titles
Say what you want but Prince Turki has, so far, done nearly everything right and may be saving boxing and making it great again. Utter dream cards and fighters actually fighting each other in their peaks every 3 to 6 months so we really really see who rises to the top not by 2 bouts over 2 years to carefully chosen styles etc.
Turki making boxing great again! MBGA!
Paulie Maragarita - I was pissing myself. 🤣
This would be brilliant
The best finally fighting each other
And the drug cheats gone for good
If it gets everyone actually fighting eachother, that's great
Every time I try and explain the belts to my wife she responds with, “That sounds stupid”. And I’m forced to say, “Yup”.
His Excellency has a good idea, and if Frank and Eddie are onboard the others will be wise to follow.
One of the things i like about UFC is that people dont get binned as soon as they take a loss because the best are fighting the best.
Whereas boxing has so many journeymen to pad fighters records and make them seem invincible.
Yeah with the UFC you assume that people are going to be taking a loss here or there, it's only if they start having a consistent string of losses that you start to lose faith in a fighter - even then some of them have turned that around.
Well look how people treat Fury now that he's lost. This is your own faults. If you were more accepting of losses, fighters wouldn't fear taking risks.
@@TheStraightestWhitest To be fair Fury is a cocky bastard and a lot of people are just glad to see him be taken down a peg. Even as a Fury fan I want to see him be more humble.
@@TheStraightestWhitestfury gets that treatment cause hes a clown and had held up the hw division for years
The Turkey is truly excellent
About fucking time someone stepped in to clean up the boxing mess!
Why-TF not?! Thank you Turkey👌
But what does it mean for the lower level fighters that don't have a huge following yet? This only sounds like a good idea for the ones who are already household names
It's always been that way
@@seanisnotjohn that's true, but at least prospects get get built up fighting different styles of opponents.
With this, prospects would have to fights champions in order for it to sell.
Fridge Magnet belt looooool
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nice explanation Propa, cheers
Buying up the promotions is less helpful than buying up all the belts, then binning them. You need promotors to sell fights, most fighters are not gobby salesmen, so you need a mouth to get people excited. Its all about priorities, getting everyone paid and fairly, getting excitement and atmosphere and lastly getting everyone shiny belts imo.
Exciting times ahead for the 🥊 consumer regardless happy days cheers fella 👍👊
Technically there are more mma organizations than the UFC thats just the biggest
People forget this.
Here is my 2 cents.
There is this super league with their own belts.
Call it the TBL (Turki Boxing League) or what ever.
When you win a belt you have to defend it with in 4 months.
You can only fight for a TBL belt in a TBL fight, no other belts from other boxing associations can be on the line in a TBL fight.
TBL fights are simple 80/20 split on the purse, 80 to winner & 20 to loser.
Change the scoring system to stop draws.
The TBL fighters are allowed to take other fights outside of the TBL but champions will be locked into that 4 month defend clause.
Winning purses for TBL championship fights will be paid on the next TBL fight.
This will stop a fighter scooping a big payday, the belt and never coming back to the TBL.
That was piss funny! Props to you.
I don't know how I've missed this channel in the past but, I'm subscribing right now to ensure I don't miss it in the future.
In regards to the super league of boxing; it's certainly an interesting concept and would hopefully give the fans the best fights, though I wonder how you get promoted and relegated to and from it once the initial boxers are picked. Say a young protege comes along, how would they get into the league? Would they have a 2nd division, 3rd division etc like football or would it just be down to Turki's choice?
Keep up the great work! I look forward to your future posts.
Boxing and flight of the concords. Genuis
Rather than buy out the promotion companies, why not buy all the sanctioning bodies. Then they’ll have the power to enforce exciting mandatories and can actually make the champions fight each other. That achieves the same goal as the league without having to make a complicated league structure
What will likely happen if they pull this off is that they will start with each of the top 15 of each weight class being a part of the league.
But after putting on some super fights between those fighters they will then offer out contracts outside of the top 15 so they can climb the rankings. This is how the UFC currently does it as they have plenty of low ranked fighters that fight. With the UFC spending a lot less money than boxing and have been putting out fights with greater frequency ever since the Saudi’s got involved to make the process of making fights even sooner.
One belt per division is just what makes sense. I don't see it being a problem in terms of people getting title shots. It just means the top contender fights will be much more interesting and 'visible'. By visible, I mean it'll be clear that top contender fights are worth watching because they are actually top contenders. Rather than having 80 top contenders spread across 4 organisations, we can have 20 under one. It'll make getting a title shot tougher, as it should be. But will make it much easy for fans to keep up with who's who in boxing and entice new fans to the sport.
You could still have other belts for special occasions. Like the WBC diamond belt for matches between two legends who are semi-retired and something like the BMF belt from UFC which generally puts two really exciting competitors together.
They should take a leaf out of the old WWF and have midcard belts, like the Intercontinental Championship, European, Hardcore and Divas titles
Mauricio salami 😂fantastic
Unify all the major belts, make it clear who's the best of the best and have the best fight the best. I'm all for it.
Love this model means more fights, more competitive fights and helps to build coherent storyline leaving the BS at the gates
This is how the UFC started, and eventually what it became is a promotion that doesn't pay its fighters near what they're worth.
I like the idea in principle. It just needs to be managed in a way that benefits the fighters before anything else.
I've been saying for years that there were too many belts at world level. I didn't even try to count the others. 1 world belt per weight... and make fewer weight classes as well.
Its a bad idea.
The champ cant fight all other 14 in the league, as that would take 7 years.
Also....
Eddie wont give up his ring masters role, he loves it too much.
This is gonna end up splitting boxing even more in the long run.
Imagine Eddie sells up and one year later he starts up Matchroom 2.0 to compete in a new league (sorta identical to the format we have today 😉).
That point about the ‘you can’t have one belt or the division will never move’ is kinda shit. Like look at the ufc, champs usually fight twice a year and top contenders fight eachother to make a clear number 1. Works fine
But there are more boxers than ufc fighters. One champ per division would bottleneck the sport
- Like a group of super boxers???
- more like a boxing league
That argument that the the division doesn't move on is what is happening now so the change could be good
World champion means little when those words are tossed around everywhere. We need a king on that hill
I am that friend who knows nothing about boxing, saw on UA-cams the other day “Ben Whittaker in IBF International light heavyweight title” and I thought “bloody hell I thought he just did all that mucking about for Instagram but he’s in an International (world?) title fight? i need to see this!” Then all the comments are saying he’s going to come unstuck when he fights a British or European title fight. Totally confused. Fridge magnets indeed.
As long as no Fury’s are involved it will be propa! Bosh!!
If it destroys the alphabet organisations then its a good thing
good stuff . lets see how it goes
As influential and with as deep of pockets as Turki has I don't see this coming to fruition.
this guy just called frank martin a cherry pick 😭
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I'm a big fan of MMA, if I'm honest I'm more of a casual in boxing. I know enough to recognise that both sports have huge issues, primarily where the promoters and promotions are concerned. As frustrating as it is not to have the best face the best in any sport, at least boxers at the top level are generally well compensated, as opposed to the greater part of the UFC's roster. I fear given enough time and success, any dominant promotion or 'super league' has the potential to place itself ahead of the fighters.
Ive dreamt of this for boxing. Having less belts is fine. it works in UFC and people get excited for non title fights all the time.
I'm against this for one reason Propa......by having this league it gates people, that's the beauty of boxing, a person can turn pro in any country and work their way up the ranks. Once this league starts you have to get 'in' before you can do anything. So it might make the best fights but from a limited league pool ......so how can it be the best fighting the best?
Bosch!
IBO starting to look more legit by the second. Great video, as always Uncz. BOSH!
We've been spoiled!
If anyone knows the UFC politics, matchmaking, pay etc. this is just gonna be a rehash of that but with 1000x the money being thrown around.
The problem I see is, based on what the best for this league would be chosen? Ticket sales or skill?
Let's imagine this league already in place in 2023/24, who would have been the HWs in it? For sure Wilder, was any Wilder fight actually good to watch after th 3 Fury ones?
At the same time would have been someone like Kabayel in it?
I totally agree with the discussion about having way too many belts and consequentially too many "champions", but the solution imo is not to create a closed league owned by 1 company.
In theory it will be amazing. No ducking, no politics just pure boxing and proper recognised champs. And all those leaches like wbc sulaiman can get lost. But the only problem is that it can become a monopoly and some fighters will never get a chance to win the championship
I like the idea of the best fighting the best. However, the beauty of the mandatory system is that styles make fights and that's how upsets happen. When Buster Douglas beat Tyson, he wasn't a top 15 fighter so he wouldn't have been part of a boxing super league. Same goes for Leon Spinks when he beat Ali. Same goes for Michael Spinks when he beat Holmes. And so on. Upsets are what make the HW division particularly intriguing and this would be lost under a super league type of system.
Good thing about Boxxer is they fight in UK. Thank you big Turkey
Boxing super leagues will be a great for the sport, The boxers will get paid great money, and the fans will watch great fights.. Bring it on
The only thing i dont like about the saudi is the atmosphere. A tennis match has better crowd reactions. Also gervonta just wanted to fight someone as a preparation for loma/shakur or any other fight because he hadn't fought since april 2023. I think he will finally fight an elite right now. Good vid unc propa 👍🏻
Love to see it happen. Unfortunately over half the “ champions “ out there will all of a sudden find enough $ to retire. Boxing has become a joke. I’m afraid that no matter what Turk does he can’t stop corruption. Paid off refs and judges are the main weapons of the promoters and regardless of what you pay them the promoters can offer a little extra to see things their way.