There was a massive drug problem in the men’s toilets at Selhurst Park on Saturday . I couldn’t get into the traps to let one loose because the queue to do shovel was too long
Let’s be fair, there’s a huge PED problem in sport in general right now. The olympics are just around the corner and let’s see how many athletes get popped for PEDs before, during and after the games.
Unfortunately not many will be caught. Athletes are way ahead of the Testers. The two main drugs they are using are EPO and Growth Hormone, they are still extremely difficult to detect taken in the right doses. ALL! the top Sprinters are on them. Especially the women, times and records are being annihilated by them recently. They have found the magic undetectable formula. 😡
If people are willing to take peds to look good on Instagram they sure as shit are gonna do it for an olympic medal or a million dollars. The people who believe otherwise are naive imo.
@Yiealo6372jd He has 100% took them in the past. He would of messed up his Endocrine System in the process. I bet he is on "low" doses of Test these days.
@@markchapman2585That comparison was terrible, Weinstein got caught sexually assaulting and black mailing women, these guys are cheating and putting other people's lives in danger. Big companies turn a blind eye to their cash cow until it affects their bottom line. Heck if u wanna use Weinstein, that fact is a better comparison because he was doing it for years until more people spoke up and it put a bad light on the industry, and that's why he got arrested. Why do u think Connor gets a away with so much, the closest he came to losing everything was the bus incident but he played ball in order to not piss off the UFC and all of his sponsors. He didn't do it for morals
Gear is so ridiculously common these days that I guarantee that even your local high school (American) football team has at least a few users. I've seen it many times before. It's basically a pandemic at this point. -Can't wait- Expect to see the heart failure numbers surge in the coming years.
Unless you lose everything once caught. Like you lose a title shot for the next ~5-10 years, you can fight all you want, but no title shots where all the money are. I do understant it is never going to happen, but it can be implemented quite easily
@@АнтонАлексеенко_044 Margerito was caught loading his gloves and was fighting in million dollar fights again within a few years. And that's because many boxing fans are still willing to pay to watch him fight, even after what he did. It's only a minority of fans but still enough to make a lot of money. A problem like this can never be solved as long as money is more powerful than democracy.
@@unkonwn5390it’s not the half life you worry about. Thats why people are getting caught. A drug can have a short half life, the metabolites can stay in your system for so long. And that’s what’s getting people caught.
Not only from the athletes side but from the organization side too. I'd even say that the organizations are more responsible than the athletes since they are the ones deciding whether an athlete is getting suspended over a positive test or not.
It’s insane how many people are leaping to Ryan Garcia’s defense because he put on a good performance while on PEDs and 3lbs overweight. I understand most of them aren’t actual boxing fans but it’s shocking how the narrative is it’s ok to cheat if you perform well against a divisive fighter.
Garcia was gonna beat that boy without any peds. Haney been had a weak ass chin. No peds helped garcia hurt that weak chin. 😂 garcia would've won that without peds.
@@Quietplague2000 then why did he take them? This is a crazy way of coping. Imagine someone takes peds against you in a boxing match which resulted in you losing and everyone said "well, you were finna get whooped anyways." No way in hell you are finna agree with them lmao.
most top fighters fight once a year so a 6 month ban is well worth the risk of taking peds. they had the chance to make a statement with pharmacy miller and ban him for life but they gave him 6 months so there is no deterrent for boxers not to take peds. until the commissions grow a pair nothing will change.
The other angle is Turki creates a single league and makes anyone failing drugs tests and immediate disqualification from his ultimate league and the money
Terrific upload Propa. Very poignant, indeed.! Made for great listening.!! Excellent point about purses pit in escrow until all test results are back.! Bless up bro 🥊
Good vid. Note that at 6:33 those are not contradictory, Ryan's test found 6ng, which is 60 times the allowed limit (0.1ng). That is still only 6 billionths of a gram.
Yep...two great American icons, Holyfield and RJJ, juiced to the gills...They get a pass...Take the juice from them and where would they have been??? This is the problem...
@@thetruestoneage I think also we need to take into account that testing has got more advanced over the years. They can pick up minute amounts of substances (pictograms) that in reality would have zero influence on a fighter’s performance.
If the Saudis want to take over the sport and set up a promotional monopoly the best thing that could come from that is Vada testing being made mandatory for every fight
@@BAKED_P0TAT0e-d1which is bad becuase if they can recover faster than a natty that means they will be able to train more than a natty wich i think you where saying thats another problem
It is a little weird when you consider Michele Ferrari’s lifetime ban by USADA. A line in the Netflix doc about Conte he said always stuck with me and is actually alarming when you when consider how wide spread his involvement with current athletes today is even after going to prison for a whopping 4 months: “When Marion Jones hit the finish line and won the gold medal, when Barry Bonds hit all these home runs, you know, any of these great accomplishments, those are things that I’ll always be proud of.” (Victor Conte, Untold: Hall of Shame)
The worst example of bias against a fighter I can think of was the fine and FIVE year ban imposed on Nick Diaz after testing positive for marijuana ,,,marijuana for goodness sake,,,he was clearly victimised , as the Diaz bothers suck up to no one…..
My entire football team in 1994 was on gear supplied by the coaches. I was a huge(size wise) stoner kid on the offensive line that wasnt trusted as a steriod candidate. Years later i ran into a bunch 9f my "teammates"and adked if they all had cancer because they were so puny. They just laughed at my naivete.
I actually do think a lot of them just take whatever their coach tells them to, and they don’t even ask. In pro bodybuilding, you’d be surprised by how many bodybuilders have no idea what or how much they’re injecting, their coach just says do this and that, and they do. Most of these guys are not geniuses. But steroids are definitely everywhere in all competitive sport.
It boils down to money. If a boxer brings in tonnes of money then they won't get banned because too many people will be left out of pocket. Its not in anyones benefit to ban a boxer who brings in huge crowds and tonnes of money because they all get a piece of that pie.
Worst I've seen is Nick Diaz. 5 year ban by the Nevada State Athletic Commission for Cannabis .. while "TRT" Belfort was blinding people with head kicks.
That's the best solution ive heard to stop people doping where they withhold the fighters purse until the samples come back clean , Propa should start a campaign and hopefully if he can get enough signatures and people on board the promoters and governing bodies take notice
Ali tested positive for codeine and anti depressants to prevent him from shaking due to his Parkinsons. Not the same as Fury testing positive for Nandrolone for strength , repair , speed and agilty.
Regardless of everything unfortunately our favourite sport is corrupt and dirty as hell. A lot of them probably do untraceable ones. I liked the money idea in the end good one propa.
I'm a swimmer (68) and always considered the sport clean in the past, these days I ain't so sure. It was bad enough with East German women getting a free pass (ask Sharon Davies) but these days I do wonder about some of the elite swimmers. This was a great video, as usual full of funnies but this is no laughing matter. Name, shame and ban every drug cheat.
You can't blame them,hughie up all night digging old age pensioners drive ways and then big John and tyson going around repairing all them old folks drive ways is a hard life,a little drop of decca+test is just the ticket to keep fury and son ticking over
Shout out to Uncle Propa for bringing up the dangers of boxing. Love the sport but had to get brain surgery in Feb because of it. Had only been training for a year and some change. Now I don’t train it anymore but I still do weightlifting and stuff. Proceed w caution lads.🥊👊🏾💪🏾
Another problem is the "suspensions" most of these fighters get like 5-6 months temporary banned which isn't much cause most of these fighters don't even fight that much, they barely fight two times a year.
Agree with sentiment, but I just don't have the foundational knowledge to say if a test is too loose, too tight, how likely contamination is from something as silly as the tap water in a certain environment. There is so much shade in big industry and it's impossible to pre analyse every molecule you ingest. So always feels a bit wild to say any amount no matter how small, any case no matter how verifiably tainted should result in a blanket sentence that then gets lazily applied to multiple sports and leagues with wildly different periods of times between fights.
Everyone involved in making the fight makes money by having those specific fighters show up in the ring. All of them can make an estimate of how much a 3 year ban let alone a lifetime ban of a fighter would lose them. Going after the fighters purse could help, because it would mean it would still be the same fighter selling the next fight 8 months later.
I’m Mexican myself, and I think someone needs to check Rafael Espinoza. The guy is huge, can drop a lot of weight on his tall frame, and still has the stamina to throw 40-60 punches in late rounds. Idk man, looks sketchy to me.
Just when people are saying Propa has sold out and gone "corporate", he comes back with this. I do miss the gag-per-minute videos, but this was really interesting. But it also makes me want to stop watching the sport, really. Horrible situation, using drugs in a sport that can involve fatalities. Amazing we could talk about this for over 12 minutes and not mention a heavyweight with the initials E.H....
I absolutely agree with the escrow idea, can only be enforced by international governments agreeing, which will probably only happen when someone dies in a big fight. Sad but true.
Now the issue is that, yes, all competitors in all sports are probably up to this doping lark but, and here's the difference: if you ride a bike and train on PED's, you ride a bike a bit faster, if you kick a ball, you might be able to kick ball harder, faster and for longer, if you box, you may be able to punch another human in the head harder, faster and for longer. This can, of course, increase the risk of serious injury. Even by the standards of boxing, testing and what is done with the information from testing is all over the place. This will go on until someone gets seriously injured by a boxer who is pumped full of hot sauce. Boxing above all must be so much more careful than other sports and should be setting an example in keeping the sport clean and as safe as possible.
i appreciate the video, and i agree that we absolutely need a world governing body or for the current bodies to have stricter rules, but the sad reality is that none of that will ever happen since boxing is a business. officials, promoters, judges, refs and boxers are all competing to earn as much money as possible, that's their main focus. so if drug taking, cheating, robbing or ducking will help someone make more money they do it and don't care if it ruins the sport. drugs are problematic in other sports too, and there are plenty of athletes who get away with it, but in combat sports (which really should be the strictest due to the danger the fighters are in) if a popular fighter gets caught doping then rather than getting the lifetime ban they deserve they get a ban so short that it doesn't even affect their career, and that's because the people making the decision are the same people making money from those fighters. i love boxing as a sport, but it has a million problems and almost every single one is caused by money, if we just treated it like every other sport then it would be fine. give the fighters a salary, drug test them properly, test their hydration in camp, force them to fight equal competition regularly if they want to compete for the title, strictly regulate the refs and judges, then stick a 1 minute ad in the breaks to pay for it
Bruh! Imagine working hard all the youth, while your friends were making fun, just for the cause of being world champion and suddenly you have positive samples, without taking any drug. You life is over, just because someone paid enough yo set you up! Never a ban should be a life time and never trust any testing agencies! Fighters must have the right to use an choosen laboratory and prove their rights. Even if the court said that you didn't use, that doesn't really help if the case was taking years. Corruption will always find it's ways until someone get in jail for a long time. You asked it, you get it what it is! God bless you 🙏
The money is the issue, sadly it's the money that the industry leaders make and want to make and want to continue making that matters most so punishing the fighters is not on their radar apart from a few exceptions to maintain the pretence that its being monitored and taken seriously. Perception is everything with respect to those with no discernment.
Just let them take whatever they want. Then the fans get to see absolutely monsters going toe to toe for 12 rounds, never getting tired, and throwing like they have sledgehammers in their gloves.
Alternatively, they could allow all but the most egregious of drugs. Even if the money thing was implemented, there's still gonna be chemical alterations and novel workarounds. Testing costs a lot of money. Allowing everything except the most powerful and dangerous chemicals would mean they can test more regularly and with greater accuracy, it would also mean that all organisations can test for the same chemicals. Side note: having multiple organisations is actually good, but only if they're testing at the same time. Much like a competitive economic market, this means if one organisation isn't up to snuff, it's more likely they'll be caught out and have to improve their processes.
I reckon deliberate cheating, steroids included, should be a serious criminal offence. The only reason a boxing (or MMA or whatever else) match is acceptable is because both guys consent to it. You give your informed consent based on both of you following the rules. The other guy breaks that, it is no longer a boxing match. It becomes assault and battery in my opinion
@@joeltaylorthethird5443Yeah this little slap on the wrist nonsense means they may as well just let everyone use peds. But actually letting everyone use would be the end of sports
As a former (amateur) boxer I was horrified by the ridiculous increase in punching power in the ‘middle’ weight classes in the early 2000’s (including in a series of three fights often referred to as the best of all time). There are huge health implications from increased punch power (and btw both of those fighters I just referred to ended up badly punch drunk for the rest of their lives…). Re heavyweights. Just look at a certain someone (US) who turns into a beanpole between fights…
Mate we have already had that day and the poor fella we lost was Gerard McClellan who is now a vegetable. I am of course talking about Nigel Benn being off his head on both Steroids and Amphetamines and was never tested after the fight. That is the reason why Gerard couldn't knock him out. "So Like Father Like Son". Chris Eubank Snr knew this and is why he did not want his son to Nigel's.
As a result of current drug testing athletes are using WAY less gear than they would without testing The whole point of a professional coach is to manage what little drugs you're able to get away with.
I think it’s difficult for testing organisations to keep up with testing to designer roids and a snaky doctor will help pass tests for enough money. On top of that it’s hard to prove intent and it’s difficult to prove how a PED was taken, like Canelo saying it’s tainted meat, you can’t really disprove that
When someone starts to juggle with vague statements like 1 in a billion you know they are guilty. There are many many many trillions of particles in his body.
At this point they should come up with uniform set of rules specifically for what drugs are banned and how long you get when ur caught. If not throw it all in the trash and let all the fighters with money dominate with the best enhancement drugs they can find just like society the rich get richer and the poor stay beaten.
This rly can't be a surprise to anyone? I remember Roy Jones, at the peak of his career, was testing with more than 17x the average levels of Test in his system. Let's face it, boxing is a sport that directly rewards high levels of testosterone and gives fight fans exactly the fights they want to see. There's not going to be a lot of motivation to fix a 'problem' the sport doesn't think exists. The big question is the risk this is putting on fighters but the truth is they're nothing more than playing pieces on a board controlled by big money.
Did Amir Khan really just say a "contaminated handshake"?? A mere Con-artist indeed, that might just be the most embarrassing excuse and explanation for a test fail I've ever seen.
I do agree: Fuck the cheaters, in combat sports you can argue to even prosecute them, as you can hurt your opponent. But what to to with people who are really just getting tainted by usual supplements? like really not taking anything.
You actually beleive the people claiming contaminated supplement ? There is an onus of responsibility on fighters to know what they are putting inside them. Dont take supplements without reading the label. If you dont understand the label dont put it inside you. Simples. No one does that. Youre all cheating/refusing to take responsibility. Heres a suggestion, dont take any supplements. Of course that would eliminate a very well used excuse for "I injected cheat juice into myself".
There either needs to be a single governing body, like Mr Double Excellent wants to do, or one of the ideas you said but they would only be realistically implemented if there was a single body. That, OR they need to just unban everything and allow the fighters to all do whatever they want. With one stipulation...no weight cutting allowed. You fight at your natural weight or go up in weight but never down.
Every sport does, when there's money and ego involved there will always be void uses I think it would be more fair to just not test at all, testing only helps people who have money and fame already because they can spend all the money in the world to hide it
Strict liability is a good rule everyone should have. I don't mind reducing punishments if lack of intent can be undeniably demonstrated, but its as you said up to the individual governing body and too wide of range right now. In Ryan Garcia's case, his "purse" was taken, but it was what 1.2 million out of his 30 million he made overall? That's not a big enough difference, but also if you take all the money then suddenly the associations would have incentive to "fake" tests and take all the revenue for themselves. Its not the best approach, but I think some version of it can be a part of the solution.
There was a massive drug problem in the men’s toilets at Selhurst Park on Saturday . I couldn’t get into the traps to let one loose because the queue to do shovel was too long
People should be multitasking and combining the two past-times. White in one end, brown out the other
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@@-xirx- totally... if you take a dump facing backwards you can use the cistern as a nose candy station
"The queue to do shovel" 😂😂
fookin hysterical that mate!!!
Let’s be fair, there’s a huge PED problem in sport in general right now.
The olympics are just around the corner and let’s see how many athletes get popped for PEDs before, during and after the games.
PEDS aren’t that big of a deal in sports where you aren’t in grave, prolonged, physical danger
Unfortunately not many will be caught. Athletes are way ahead of the Testers. The two main drugs they are using are EPO and Growth Hormone, they are still extremely difficult to detect taken in the right doses. ALL! the top Sprinters are on them. Especially the women, times and records are being annihilated by them recently. They have found the magic undetectable formula. 😡
@@lovebitesandrazorblades agree, the consequences are just so much bigger in combat
If people are willing to take peds to look good on Instagram they sure as shit are gonna do it for an olympic medal or a million dollars. The people who believe otherwise are naive imo.
@@greenskyline2889very true its arguably alot worse. Someone could die bc of it
Spot on. Failed test: no pay. Enforce that: boxing becomes the cleanest sport on the planet over night.
The problem is that only works with decent regulation.
This won't make a spot of difference. Athletes will always use PEDs to get an advantage at the highest level.
Boxing is the dirtiest sport. We still have fight fixing at the highest level.
@Yiealo6372jd He has 100% took them in the past. He would of messed up his Endocrine System in the process. I bet he is on "low" doses of Test these days.
They’ll still cheat but smarter
Rules and laws don't apply to you if you got shitloads of money
Never take a pony away from home geezer
Say that to Weinstein
"Different strokes for different folks" unfortunately the rules don't apply to favored fighters or A-listers
Plutocracy
@@markchapman2585That comparison was terrible, Weinstein got caught sexually assaulting and black mailing women, these guys are cheating and putting other people's lives in danger. Big companies turn a blind eye to their cash cow until it affects their bottom line. Heck if u wanna use Weinstein, that fact is a better comparison because he was doing it for years until more people spoke up and it put a bad light on the industry, and that's why he got arrested. Why do u think Connor gets a away with so much, the closest he came to losing everything was the bus incident but he played ball in order to not piss off the UFC and all of his sponsors. He didn't do it for morals
(Boxing has a major drug problem)
file that one under the biggest fucking understatement since 1975.
With the amount of money involved it should be considered fraud..
Start a steds league in international waters.
Stoned and drunk Crowds watching two doped up Fighters managed by Coked out Promoters....where exactly is this "fraud" occuring...?
That would be tasty af@@lewiskeeffe8649
@@lewiskeeffe8649 I like it. And, we'll have monkey knife fighting at half time.
Gear is so ridiculously common these days that I guarantee that even your local high school (American) football team has at least a few users. I've seen it many times before. It's basically a pandemic at this point. -Can't wait- Expect to see the heart failure numbers surge in the coming years.
Erm I think I CAN wait for that? Damn not so cynical pls
@@ChrisA2 aahahaha yeah wtf that's a bit strong
arent we already kinda seeing that?
"well....he got vaccinated"
"yeah....but he also took the fucking kitchen sink ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
@@ChrisA2 haha yeah sorry I meant that sarcastically
It’s a growing problem in South African schools now as well
as long as there is millions on the line, prestige, and fame, everybody will be on steroids
Unless you lose everything once caught. Like you lose a title shot for the next ~5-10 years, you can fight all you want, but no title shots where all the money are. I do understant it is never going to happen, but it can be implemented quite easily
genius u mate
@@АнтонАлексеенко_044 Margerito was caught loading his gloves and was fighting in million dollar fights again within a few years. And that's because many boxing fans are still willing to pay to watch him fight, even after what he did. It's only a minority of fans but still enough to make a lot of money. A problem like this can never be solved as long as money is more powerful than democracy.
@@АнтонАлексеенко_044yeah it won't happen because there is millions on the line
The only thing that's changed is that the tests are more rigorous and accurate. That's why more names pop up than years ago.
that's not the only thing thats changed. there's new drugs too.
the half lives of these new peds is much much shorter
@@unkonwn5390it’s not the half life you worry about. Thats why people are getting caught. A drug can have a short half life, the metabolites can stay in your system for so long. And that’s what’s getting people caught.
More rigorous yes,, longer suspensions no, it's ridiculous!
No hair follicle test🤷♂️
98% of all top-level sports stars do it in all sports
Bro stats.
I believe that is true. Lots or sports almost dont test. Football for one
Yup, exactly. It's so prevalent that it's innate in sport. They're all on something.
@@asburycollins9182 evidence ?
@@gangsterSoup evidence ?
When big money is involved, moral responsibility is thrown out the window.
Not only from the athletes side but from the organization side too. I'd even say that the organizations are more responsible than the athletes since they are the ones deciding whether an athlete is getting suspended over a positive test or not.
It’s insane how many people are leaping to Ryan Garcia’s defense because he put on a good performance while on PEDs and 3lbs overweight. I understand most of them aren’t actual boxing fans but it’s shocking how the narrative is it’s ok to cheat if you perform well against a divisive fighter.
Garcia was gonna beat that boy without any peds. Haney been had a weak ass chin. No peds helped garcia hurt that weak chin. 😂 garcia would've won that without peds.
Because it's fishy you 🥜 🧠 wbc and conte are haneys handlers. Vs garcia. It's so silly to not consider any of it. Fool.
@@Quietplague2000 then why did he take them? This is a crazy way of coping. Imagine someone takes peds against you in a boxing match which resulted in you losing and everyone said "well, you were finna get whooped anyways." No way in hell you are finna agree with them lmao.
@@Quietplague2000 People like you are the problem Garcia still should be banned for life. Everyone is cheating and there is very lil accountability
They have no moral code
"Lets go Champ fella" made me spit my coffee onto my keyboard , but it was worth it lol.
I’m sure you’ve had worse all over your keyboard
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@@recklezzone7926 lmaaaooooo , you got me . . .
@@AndyMush incel
most top fighters fight once a year so a 6 month ban is well worth the risk of taking peds. they had the chance to make a statement with pharmacy miller and ban him for life but they gave him 6 months so there is no deterrent for boxers not to take peds. until the commissions grow a pair nothing will change.
The other angle is Turki creates a single league and makes anyone failing drugs tests and immediate disqualification from his ultimate league and the money
Terrific upload Propa. Very poignant, indeed.! Made for great listening.!! Excellent point about purses pit in escrow until all test results are back.! Bless up bro 🥊
Good vid. Note that at 6:33 those are not contradictory, Ryan's test found 6ng, which is 60 times the allowed limit (0.1ng). That is still only 6 billionths of a gram.
I think people don't realise how small amounts are required to affect the body
@@aidan2453it's just the traces that are left. They try to time it before they sign up for a fight.
Спасибо!
And a lot of the agencys don't check for EPO since it costs extra, so the Commissions don't wanna pay that.
It's not just Victor Conte, it's Victor Conte and Remi Korchemny that are the dynamic duo in Snac.
Oh wow ya think? Holyfield was the most juiced up fighter ever and got away with it his whole career!
Yep...two great American icons, Holyfield and RJJ, juiced to the gills...They get a pass...Take the juice from them and where would they have been??? This is the problem...
The cu*t's paying for it now,all them years punches bouncing off his juicy chin,he can hardly string a sentence together these days
@@thetruestoneage I think also we need to take into account that testing has got more advanced over the years. They can pick up minute amounts of substances (pictograms) that in reality would have zero influence on a fighter’s performance.
@@thetruestoneageRjj had skills, but Holyfield wouldn't have been very good. He was just a brawler.
@@asdadfafafafffallslsldd8068RJJ had amazing reflexes. But def was juicing. Same with Holyfield just a juicer. Without it a journeyman boxer.
Thanks!
If the Saudis want to take over the sport and set up a promotional monopoly the best thing that could come from that is Vada testing being made mandatory for every fight
That’d make it MADA testing 👍🏻
you really think those money-grubbing saudis will enforce mandatory vada testing?
Fucc VADA testing they are in bed with Victor Conte USADA should be the primary testing in all of boxing
Vada is a well known sketchy organization itself. Plenty of guys were on gear n constantly passing their tests
VADA is not a legitimate testing facility. It's an extortion racket masquerading as a testing facility.
The naive people won't understand that top athletes are taking drugs, not just for performance but to help aid in recovery.
So what’s your point?
@@david_yordanov looks like we found one already...
@@BAKED_P0TAT0e-d1which is bad becuase if they can recover faster than a natty that means they will be able to train more than a natty wich i think you where saying thats another problem
It is a little weird when you consider Michele Ferrari’s lifetime ban by USADA. A line in the Netflix doc about Conte he said always stuck with me and is actually alarming when you when consider how wide spread his involvement with current athletes today is even after going to prison for a whopping 4 months:
“When Marion Jones hit the finish line and won the gold medal, when Barry Bonds hit all these home runs, you know, any of these great accomplishments, those are things that I’ll always be proud of.” (Victor Conte, Untold: Hall of Shame)
The worst example of bias against a fighter I can think of was the fine and FIVE year ban imposed on Nick Diaz after testing positive for marijuana ,,,marijuana for goodness sake,,,he was clearly victimised , as the Diaz bothers suck up to no one…..
My entire football team in 1994 was on gear supplied by the coaches. I was a huge(size wise) stoner kid on the offensive line that wasnt trusted as a steriod candidate. Years later i ran into a bunch 9f my "teammates"and adked if they all had cancer because they were so puny. They just laughed at my naivete.
I actually do think a lot of them just take whatever their coach tells them to, and they don’t even ask.
In pro bodybuilding, you’d be surprised by how many bodybuilders have no idea what or how much they’re injecting, their coach just says do this and that, and they do.
Most of these guys are not geniuses. But steroids are definitely everywhere in all competitive sport.
It boils down to money. If a boxer brings in tonnes of money then they won't get banned because too many people will be left out of pocket. Its not in anyones benefit to ban a boxer who brings in huge crowds and tonnes of money because they all get a piece of that pie.
Worst I've seen is Nick Diaz. 5 year ban by the Nevada State Athletic Commission for Cannabis .. while "TRT" Belfort was blinding people with head kicks.
Brilliant video. Very informative & entertaining. Fantastic work 👌
That's the best solution ive heard to stop people doping where they withhold the fighters purse until the samples come back clean , Propa should start a campaign and hopefully if he can get enough signatures and people on board the promoters and governing bodies take notice
5:59 Im sorry whom ?😂
Thought I heard that wrong 😂
I read this comment at the exact moment he said it. His parents are either psychopaths or geniuses
I agree. Aint shit gonna change until a tragedy. And honestly maybe multiple. That Group B type shit.
Ali tested positive for codeine and anti depressants to prevent him from shaking due to his Parkinsons. Not the same as Fury testing positive for Nandrolone for strength , repair , speed and agilty.
Excellent video, as always. Cracking stuff 👍🏻
All these 5ft tall roided up chickens laying nuclear eggs lol
Regardless of everything unfortunately our favourite sport is corrupt and dirty as hell. A lot of them probably do untraceable ones. I liked the money idea in the end good one propa.
I'm a swimmer (68) and always considered the sport clean in the past, these days I ain't so sure. It was bad enough with East German women getting a free pass (ask Sharon Davies) but these days I do wonder about some of the elite swimmers. This was a great video, as usual full of funnies but this is no laughing matter. Name, shame and ban every drug cheat.
Loool all of the pros from the Fury's family on juice
You can't blame them,hughie up all night digging old age pensioners drive ways and then big John and tyson going around repairing all them old folks drive ways is a hard life,a little drop of decca+test is just the ticket to keep fury and son ticking over
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I absolutely adore this channel. Informative and hilarious in equal measure. Keep it up 👍🏻
The money suggestion is honestly the best idea but you’re right🤷🏾 if most of the big shots are willing to turn a blind eye that ish ain’t happening
Shout out to Uncle Propa for bringing up the dangers of boxing. Love the sport but had to get brain surgery in Feb because of it. Had only been training for a year and some change. Now I don’t train it anymore but I still do weightlifting and stuff. Proceed w caution lads.🥊👊🏾💪🏾
Doping just like weight cutting is a part of the sport that WILL NEVER be gone
Literally ALL of them are doping get over it
Another problem is the "suspensions" most of these fighters get like 5-6 months temporary banned which isn't much cause most of these fighters don't even fight that much, they barely fight two times a year.
Agree with sentiment, but I just don't have the foundational knowledge to say if a test is too loose, too tight, how likely contamination is from something as silly as the tap water in a certain environment. There is so much shade in big industry and it's impossible to pre analyse every molecule you ingest. So always feels a bit wild to say any amount no matter how small, any case no matter how verifiably tainted should result in a blanket sentence that then gets lazily applied to multiple sports and leagues with wildly different periods of times between fights.
Good stuff Propa, I think this is the best video you've made.
Great video ❤ . The research is mind blowing. Big up propa
Everyone involved in making the fight makes money by having those specific fighters show up in the ring. All of them can make an estimate of how much a 3 year ban let alone a lifetime ban of a fighter would lose them.
Going after the fighters purse could help, because it would mean it would still be the same fighter selling the next fight 8 months later.
Nate is the boss
I’m Mexican myself, and I think someone needs to check Rafael Espinoza. The guy is huge, can drop a lot of weight on his tall frame, and still has the stamina to throw 40-60 punches in late rounds. Idk man, looks sketchy to me.
Just when people are saying Propa has sold out and gone "corporate", he comes back with this. I do miss the gag-per-minute videos, but this was really interesting. But it also makes me want to stop watching the sport, really. Horrible situation, using drugs in a sport that can involve fatalities. Amazing we could talk about this for over 12 minutes and not mention a heavyweight with the initials E.H....
I absolutely agree with the escrow idea, can only be enforced by international governments agreeing, which will probably only happen when someone dies in a big fight. Sad but true.
Now the issue is that, yes, all competitors in all sports are probably up to this doping lark but, and here's the difference: if you ride a bike and train on PED's, you ride a bike a bit faster, if you kick a ball, you might be able to kick ball harder, faster and for longer, if you box, you may be able to punch another human in the head harder, faster and for longer. This can, of course, increase the risk of serious injury. Even by the standards of boxing, testing and what is done with the information from testing is all over the place. This will go on until someone gets seriously injured by a boxer who is pumped full of hot sauce. Boxing above all must be so much more careful than other sports and should be setting an example in keeping the sport clean and as safe as possible.
i appreciate the video, and i agree that we absolutely need a world governing body or for the current bodies to have stricter rules, but the sad reality is that none of that will ever happen since boxing is a business. officials, promoters, judges, refs and boxers are all competing to earn as much money as possible, that's their main focus. so if drug taking, cheating, robbing or ducking will help someone make more money they do it and don't care if it ruins the sport. drugs are problematic in other sports too, and there are plenty of athletes who get away with it, but in combat sports (which really should be the strictest due to the danger the fighters are in) if a popular fighter gets caught doping then rather than getting the lifetime ban they deserve they get a ban so short that it doesn't even affect their career, and that's because the people making the decision are the same people making money from those fighters. i love boxing as a sport, but it has a million problems and almost every single one is caused by money, if we just treated it like every other sport then it would be fine. give the fighters a salary, drug test them properly, test their hydration in camp, force them to fight equal competition regularly if they want to compete for the title, strictly regulate the refs and judges, then stick a 1 minute ad in the breaks to pay for it
“When money speaks, the truth keeps silent.”
Brilliant video brother respect for this one 👏🏻✊🏻🫡
Bruh! Imagine working hard all the youth, while your friends were making fun, just for the cause of being world champion and suddenly you have positive samples, without taking any drug. You life is over, just because someone paid enough yo set you up!
Never a ban should be a life time and never trust any testing agencies!
Fighters must have the right to use an choosen laboratory and prove their rights.
Even if the court said that you didn't use, that doesn't really help if the case was taking years.
Corruption will always find it's ways until someone get in jail for a long time.
You asked it, you get it what it is! God bless you 🙏
Great video funny and very serious at the same time.
Money buys different outcomes in boxing it's revolting. No longer a noble art it's all about the money 😢
Let’s be honest, why would you not take it, there are millions of $$$ on the line and there’s a good chance your opponent is taking it
The money is the issue, sadly it's the money that the industry leaders make and want to make and want to continue making that matters most so punishing the fighters is not on their radar apart from a few exceptions to maintain the pretence that its being monitored and taken seriously. Perception is everything with respect to those with no discernment.
Just let them take whatever they want. Then the fans get to see absolutely monsters going toe to toe for 12 rounds, never getting tired, and throwing like they have sledgehammers in their gloves.
Great Video Proper ..... Combat sports needs zero tolenrence
Alternatively, they could allow all but the most egregious of drugs. Even if the money thing was implemented, there's still gonna be chemical alterations and novel workarounds.
Testing costs a lot of money. Allowing everything except the most powerful and dangerous chemicals would mean they can test more regularly and with greater accuracy, it would also mean that all organisations can test for the same chemicals.
Side note: having multiple organisations is actually good, but only if they're testing at the same time. Much like a competitive economic market, this means if one organisation isn't up to snuff, it's more likely they'll be caught out and have to improve their processes.
I reckon deliberate cheating, steroids included, should be a serious criminal offence. The only reason a boxing (or MMA or whatever else) match is acceptable is because both guys consent to it. You give your informed consent based on both of you following the rules. The other guy breaks that, it is no longer a boxing match. It becomes assault and battery in my opinion
Same. Honestly the should just allow everyone to use peds it or NO one it if they get caught instant ban from the sport
@@joeltaylorthethird5443Yeah this little slap on the wrist nonsense means they may as well just let everyone use peds. But actually letting everyone use would be the end of sports
As a former (amateur) boxer I was horrified by the ridiculous increase in punching power in the ‘middle’ weight classes in the early 2000’s (including in a series of three fights often referred to as the best of all time). There are huge health implications from increased punch power (and btw both of those fighters I just referred to ended up badly punch drunk for the rest of their lives…).
Re heavyweights. Just look at a certain someone (US) who turns into a beanpole between fights…
Mate we have already had that day and the poor fella we lost was Gerard McClellan who is now a vegetable.
I am of course talking about Nigel Benn being off his head on both Steroids and Amphetamines and was never tested after the fight. That is the reason why Gerard couldn't knock him out.
"So Like Father Like Son". Chris Eubank Snr knew this and is why he did not want his son to Nigel's.
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the escrow idea is perfect
As a result of current drug testing athletes are using WAY less gear than they would without testing
The whole point of a professional coach is to manage what little drugs you're able to get away with.
It should be considered fraud and some sort of law equivalent to assault with a deadly weapon as the opponent receives irreversible brain damage.
"Some Roidhead sneezed on me!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You forgot to mention all the fighters who never got caught.
one of the coolest intro to a youtube video i've ever seen!!! lmaoo
I think it’s difficult for testing organisations to keep up with testing to designer roids and a snaky doctor will help pass tests for enough money. On top of that it’s hard to prove intent and it’s difficult to prove how a PED was taken, like Canelo saying it’s tainted meat, you can’t really disprove that
The WBC are disgusting for giving Benn an excuse as to why he popped.
The deeper problem is why society cares so much about who is the best at a game.
This is why blood work is so important, lots of PED's have a half life of just a few days, no signs of the PED but effects still working.
Completely agree, withhold payment until tests are cleared.
Could also consider assault charges for dirty fighters as it was an unfair advantage?
Don’t give out pursues for big fights until test results come back
Fr unc this truly is madness
When someone starts to juggle with vague statements like 1 in a billion you know they are guilty. There are many many many trillions of particles in his body.
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The only fair events are untested, just let everyone take it
'Big bell end Miller' and 'that let's go champ fella'
Proper British boxing talk. Bosh! 🥊
At this point they should come up with uniform set of rules specifically for what drugs are banned and how long you get when ur caught. If not throw it all in the trash and let all the fighters with money dominate with the best enhancement drugs they can find just like society the rich get richer and the poor stay beaten.
This rly can't be a surprise to anyone? I remember Roy Jones, at the peak of his career, was testing with more than 17x the average levels of Test in his system. Let's face it, boxing is a sport that directly rewards high levels of testosterone and gives fight fans exactly the fights they want to see. There's not going to be a lot of motivation to fix a 'problem' the sport doesn't think exists. The big question is the risk this is putting on fighters but the truth is they're nothing more than playing pieces on a board controlled by big money.
The issue is the lead time for testing and getting the result.
Everyone in the top 20 are up to their eyeballs in it. Everyone.
LeBron is frequent at Balco company, but whole media and marketing machine is behind him, noone dares to say a word.
Did Amir Khan really just say a "contaminated handshake"??
A mere Con-artist indeed, that might just be the most embarrassing excuse and explanation for a test fail I've ever seen.
well said. How depressing.
As always...
Propa GR8 content
A and B sample are taken at the same time it will always come out with the same result
I do agree: Fuck the cheaters, in combat sports you can argue to even prosecute them, as you can hurt your opponent. But what to to with people who are really just getting tainted by usual supplements? like really not taking anything.
But they're all on something 😂
You actually beleive the people claiming contaminated supplement ? There is an onus of responsibility on fighters to know what they are putting inside them.
Dont take supplements without reading the label. If you dont understand the label dont put it inside you. Simples. No one does that. Youre all cheating/refusing to take responsibility.
Heres a suggestion, dont take any supplements. Of course that would eliminate a very well used excuse for "I injected cheat juice into myself".
There either needs to be a single governing body, like Mr Double Excellent wants to do, or one of the ideas you said but they would only be realistically implemented if there was a single body.
That, OR they need to just unban everything and allow the fighters to all do whatever they want. With one stipulation...no weight cutting allowed. You fight at your natural weight or go up in weight but never down.
Can't be worse than I thought, cos I always believed that every single one of them is.
Yo, Unc, best vid you’ve made by far. Quality, man.
Every sport does, when there's money and ego involved there will always be void uses
I think it would be more fair to just not test at all, testing only helps people who have money and fame already because they can spend all the money in the world to hide it
Professional sports are fix and mostly a sham anyway.
Nate is correct, EVERYONE is using some form or other of pharma help, it's just at what level, and how good they are at masking it.
Strict liability is a good rule everyone should have. I don't mind reducing punishments if lack of intent can be undeniably demonstrated, but its as you said up to the individual governing body and too wide of range right now.
In Ryan Garcia's case, his "purse" was taken, but it was what 1.2 million out of his 30 million he made overall? That's not a big enough difference, but also if you take all the money then suddenly the associations would have incentive to "fake" tests and take all the revenue for themselves. Its not the best approach, but I think some version of it can be a part of the solution.