Totally agree with the end rant. If you commit to a tournament, you face who you face. If you want to bow out, bow out of the whole thing. Or take a harsh penalty like your next 5 matches are all losses. Outfit wars are supposed to be team inspired events where you show your mettle, not an advertisement platform to boost your member numbers. That would be the only thing I could see as the reason to join up but want to skip matches just because you feel the other team is better. In life you win some and you loose some. Use it as a chance to grow if you think your outfit isn't that good. Next time you might just be the one that is the favored to win.
Exactly. The fact that some people were trying to dig up a rationale behind such a decision to selectively participate really got to me. Couldn't agree more with your thoughts mate, cheers for sharing!
I just hear them saying "I decided to participate in an international competition and am unhappy that I was beaten by some of the best in the WORLD." Yes that is how True Competitive works, you want fun and less cut throat that is what live servers are for... Casual to semi competitive play.
I just came back to planetside in full a few weeks ago after having played some server smash and lane smash back in the day, and the fact that some outfits want to skip hard matches disgust me. I relish getting my ass handed to me by someone more skilled than me. I can learn where I can improve that way. Let's be real, this entire game is about getting your ass handed to you for stupid reasons, skill gap is one we rarely get to see in full, let's not ruin it
Who would've thought that playing the crayola coloring book simulator day in and day out in asymmetric populations doesn't mean you're good at the game or even remotely competent. I, for one, am absolutely floored.
I appreciate that rant at the end. It makes total sense. If I was on a team and our challenger just didn't show up, I would hate that cause we didn't actually prove ourselves and skills, which is what OW is sort of about. At least that's what I would imagine. I wanted to join this year but my outfit isn't going to which I respect. Deffinately gonna watch though
Yeah, that's the point of these idiots not showing up. They don't want people to realize they're just bloated zergfits that have no skill at adapting to even fight environments
So true Cami,if you don't want to play, competively don't sign up. Especially in a ranking system that is designed to assign points that breaks ties. That's unfair to that ranking system. If you sign up you flicking play to your best.
13:25 Wdym it sounds harsh? Thats basically whats normally happening to Competitors that just dont show up because they dont feel like it. Its just griefing other players if you do it, which is a reportable offense in the terms of conduct so 100% justified to boot these outfits out of the competition. And it even already happened somewhat like that in Planetside. Best example is this years lanesmash where one team just pulled ants and stopped playing after they´ve lost the first round. Also its pretty interesting to see all the hot takes on reddit. Really shows the amount of dislike for anything competitive, skillbased and not casual. Its a sandbox game, everyone can do whatever he chooses to do thats not violating TOS. This includes anything from "turning PS2 into an arena shooter" to just building bases and of course also 1v1s or 1v1v1s in outfit wars and you shouldnt hate people for doing that, or grief them.
Very based Cami, thanks for this video, it'll get way more visibility than the reddit post, even though I think the people that have such plans to boycott too challenging matches won't listen and will go through with it.
Appreciate it mate. Believe it or not, this video isn't doing too well so this might just end up echoing the original reddit post as opposed to reach a wider viewership - but it was worth a try. Thanks again mate.
Cami, Thank you for calling out the BS opinion on dipping from hard match ups. That sentiment has been on the rise and is something I think is truly detrimental to PS2 culture which already is slanted towards disliking good players by and large. If you don't want to get rolled by people who put in time and effort to practice and gain proficiency, then practice or don't compete.
I'm in a casual/skilled outfit. Our main lead likes to say this: It's alright if you don't want to use META loadouts, but then don't complain if people who do beat you.
That is REMARKABLY embarrassing to proudly and openly say you'll just quit if someone's better than you in OW lmaooo. Im not a comp ps2 player but yikes, imagine signing up for a comp match then bailing cause you don't want to go against comp players. What makes it worse is that you know they're just going to blame the dev team for trying to enforce fair, even, fights. I agree, if an outfit abandons their position in outfit wars, there should be some sort of punishment.
I admit, last OW, I only took part one match just to get the knife. I wanted others to explore OW because playing the game so long, I prefer playing Casual/Chill mode, though I still can swap it up to Sweaty. Whenever I find a Sweaty Plat Live, then sure I'll go Sweaty too, it's much more thrilling to take part in that fast rolling ball on the frontlines, and I think most community knows, it's hard to be Sweaty where likely most folks just want to Power Down for the day or are actually New Players. I stopped straining my brain to like do Sweaty things around such folks and just played along with em.
I'm not that deep into the planetside 2 community despite having an account for almost 10 years. I have a couple thoughts on this. First off, the inherent design of planetside 2 is not meant to be competitive, so I don't think the matches will be that enjoyable to watch. Unless we are able to get first person views of actual players in the game, but birds eye view it looks funny to me. But if this is what the community wants, so be it and good for the devs are at least trying. I personally believe outfits should have the ability to forfeit matches. That's just a natural ability you have in any competitive game. You shouldn't be forced to do anything as an individual. There are two ways of going about this that I feel are valid: 1: Forfeit well in advance of the match. Allow a time slot of like an hour for each team to make the decision to either fight or bow out so the other team can advance. This has practical reasons as well. There are plenty of small outfits out there who don't have players sitting on call to take empty spots. What if a team isn't able to complete fill out roster spots they thought they could when originally signing up? Life happens lol. The other team is able to advance to the next round and doesn't have to waste time sitting in an empty lobby. [Edit: I'm reading the notes and it says matches are scheduled days in advance. If you forefit your match at least 24 hours prior to the start time, that should be allowed. I'd love to see someone's argument against this. Feel free to call them cowards all you want, and maybe some are. It should still be allowed, cause someone may have a legitimate reason to not be able to participate due to real world situations.] 2: If 10 minutes into the game it's clear that one team is going to literally dominate the other, the bad team should be allowed to throw in the towel. Again, a BASIC option in every other competitive game out there. Could you imagine a boxing match or ufc fight where the refs never waved off the fight and just let one guy beat an unconscious man to death till the clock runs out? No one wants to see that. What I do not support is greefing, which would be like one team decides just to sit in their warpgate at the beginning of the match and not try or just disconnecting. That truly is a waste of everyone's time. But the fact that nowhere in the dev notes they mentioned the ability to forfeit matches worries me. It should be a simple majority rules type of situation. If 75% of the team votes to forfeit. Game over. Literally every other competitive shooter I've played has this feature. If the devs can't get something that simple right, I don't see this event ending well. But it will make for a good reddit post to read through. I'll have my popcorn ready 🍿
I didn't know that was even a thing! To give up like that, just because it's a bit hard, and people are pushing for this coward approach, disgusting! I completely agree, they should be punished! Heck their outfit logo should be changed to a chicken for X amount of time for everyone to know that they did this.
Man... with all honesty, planetside2 player base has a mentality that whoever is better than them must be cheating in some way. They refuse to even concept that someone might be better than them.
Its because people tie their ego to the game and cant handle being dunked on. There will always be these kinds of losers but in normal sport they are generally weeded out in primary school. (yes I calling them childish) Also not just their logo but their cosmetics should be shame locked to chicken suits for a full year, all characters on their account)
I agree with the rant, but I do think that outfits should be able to more casually play that 1v1 mode if they so choose instead of it being reserved for these super competitive tournaments. Challenge another outfit, reserve a timeslot together, have your match on your own terms instead of having to be part of an event meant to be the best of the best just to do this gamemode- especially since participation in the game mode is probably one of the best methods of practicing the game mode.
I'm looking forward to the revised Outfit Wars format, as a viewer. It's pretty fun watching organized chaos from a birds eye view so I hope it goes well this season.
I got the fix for people that plan to bail if the opposition is "too tough." the outfit can just face the possibility of being disbanded completely if they sign up and then flake out. As you said, they're signing up for a tournament, if they're not 100% willing to give their all for it then they shouldn't sign up.
This reminds me of UT2004 "Onslaught" Game mode, there was literally the same objective - connect your Power Core to enemy team's Power Core and then destroy it.
If you can't win, you *can* play spoiler - and that's fun. Maybe your efforts cost that opponent points. Maybe those points cause that opponent to get lower ranked and that affects their seed in the bracket (is there a bracket?).
My Outfit suffered from another throwing a match so that they wouldn't have to face tough competition later on. The Thing is they were more of a 'sweatfit' than us, Actively pulling in ringers from other outfits and such. It was one of the worst parts of the last OW experience for me and has permanently soured the opinion of the outfit for some of us. The spirit of Honest competition is absolutely necessary for any tournament or competition to work. If you can't handle that mentality then fuck right off.
I agree with the end, but I think it's unfair of Planetside 2 that only big outfits are allowed to join. Our outfit has 3 events every week and on average we have 2 squads. Here and there some come back to the outfit, but also some go AFK or have more to do in RL. We take care of our players and try to keep them on the ball so that we continue to play Planetside 2 in our club. At the last Outfit Wars we could not participate because we are too small. Now we have even made the extra effort and made even more advertising for our outfit. The same problem have many other outfit on Miller, as I got that with. Even alliances did not come to stande, because often the fraction is an obstacle. Now we try to participate as a "small" outfit in the tournament, even if only 5 people come to the game. But I just have to say "it's Planetside's own fault" we do everything we can to keep players in the game and try to train new players. But if after more than 2 years of development on Outfit Wars we are still not offered a reasonable possibility to participate, we just have to try!
The sentiment is nice and all, and yes players shouldn’t dip because they don’t like the matchup, but outfit wars staunchly caters to just the infantry playstyle. It would be nice if vehicle oriented outfits could participate in their own way against said opposition without being completely discounted. So far “outfit wars” just seem like “infantry wars”.
One topic that was not covered was how outfit wars affects live play. This year caused a massive shift in server population and had certain factions being focused on. Hopefully a solution can be made to prevent players from jumping ship on their factions in favor of the META faction for outfit wars. Leading up to outfit wars the game was near unplayable during prime time if you weren't playing NC.
Like it's mainly because the teams wanna train for the matches and smaller outfits have to bond together to Make 48 players so ye it will fuck with live Play but other then jeager there is not many places to practice
Banning an outfit if they miss too many matches is reasonable. However, I think there's something to be said in defence of the less skilled outfits as well. If you like the outfit wars format but you aren't skilled enough to compete, in the current format you can't realistically join. And yeah, I think the best option for those outfits would be to not join and complain to the devs instead of ruining the fun for others. But we shouldn't forget why it is that people do these things in the first place. If outfit wars had some kind of skill based matchmaking, this wouldn't be a problem.
based, it's okay to have things that focus more on one part of the playerbase or on one specific playstyle, BUT DONT FORCE IT ON EVERYONE, thats the problem with Oshur, not with OW tho, you're not forced to sign up, you're not forced to play, live servers are still going to be running while the tournament is going on. Thats why most of my friends logoff immediately when Oshur unlocks, we're infantry players, and while it is possible to play infantry on Oshur it is a 100% harder to keep up with the pace in terms of stats or just fun in general that we've had on any other continent...
Same with max alert, "just play max or archer engi" I don't wanna fucking play any of those, I just wanna chill and play how I want, stop forcing me into these things
Fucking finally! Someone said it. There is no game that is for everyone, much less a freaking competitive mode in said game. It just basic manners, if anything, isn't trying to win against a better team an even bigger badge of honor, even if you lost? What the heck is with that loser mindset? Even when I'm playing dota and getting stomped i still try to put up a fight, there are things to learn even if you lose. Also, what happen when they met an equal team, if there is such a thing, or a weaker one? Are they saying they are fine wiping a weaker team? Or is it more "fair" fighting someone on equal level? What a dual mentality.
my outfit has sighed up for the OW and we got a lot of our people who are participating in it but i will not participate in the OW cause i think my own skill is still to low for this and i would be more useless to my team instead of being usefull and like you said cami if you dont want to participate then dot do it.
As a casual player, but im vet, i dont care much about outfit wars. Mr Camikaze, what do u think about vehicle weapon attachments? I suggested several times on reddit but no one seem to like it. It would help to, for instance turn ESFs into subs
just gonna say regarding construction: REMOVE painspires and routingspires (the later of the two imho makes the base itself rather redundant as proxy stagingfacilty), make silos an objective for the attackers to overload like the old HIVEs at the exchange of them being shielded by the structureshieldmodule ... and i say that as a PMB player myself
I am run our outfits building night and I would love to be able to build during OW. But I kinda understand why they chose to not allow it. Potentially unlimited tanks and aircraft and the ability to lockdown choke points would really slow down the gamemode. I wonder if making cortium behind the front three nodes non-regenerating and limiting the the number of silos would be enough.
IMO outfit wars should use an ELO system such as many online competitive games such as chess or League or Legends. ELO meants to match players (or outfits) against adversaries of a similar skill level based on how many wins - loses they have (do not mistake with win/lose ratio, ELO formula works around wins minus loses). How can we implement this on PS2? each time there is an outfit war, outfits have a few days to sign up. Once inscriptions are closed, outfits are matched against the closest ELO adversary. Winners gain ELO points, losers lose ELO points.This system just works and every round played makes the matching system better and better as the best outfits get more points and are matched only against similar ELO outfits. The ELO formula (is available on the wiki) works in such a way that super dominant outfits dont get as much ELO points if they are matched against an underdog outfit, and are heavly penalized if they lose. With this system outfits could hop on - hop off outfit wars without needing to participate on long tournaments. Leagues or divisions could be created to recognize skill level of outfits (like gold, silver and bronze divisions) and give rewards based on that. Tournament format is moronic btw. I would even allow matches between outfits of the same faction just for balance porposes.
To devil's advocate the rant position some ... I'd counter that there is in fact a difference between creating game content which generally caters towards different portions of the game sandbox (Oshur), versus creating game content which operates to the absolute exclusion of anything other than what it caters to (competitive tournament in an ostensibly casual game). The players not interested in a hardcore ultra-competitive environment have absolutely nothing while using the Oshur example, the continent at least attempts to provide something for everyone (whether it succeeds is a different debate entirely). There are also select outfits in the game who are extremely tryhard, to the point of being in a league of their own. If that's how they want to have fun, that's perfectly fine, but when it comes to outfit wars it will inevitably create a situation where you have two distinct classes of participants where only one of them has any meaningful shot at winning and matches which mix these two classes really won't hold much competitive integrity since the victor is practically a foregone conclusion. To name names, Recursion is pretty much going to wipe the floor with most people they face. Outside of a similarly ultra-hardcore outfit, that will not be a fun match to play and it remains to be seen if it is a fun match to even watch. Planetside is at its core not a competitive game, and in playing devil's advocate I will assert that the pushback against trying to shove a square peg into a round hole is not entirely meritless.
Discord is called Discord for a Reason ^^ Not that TeamSpeak was any better... Hell, I don't miss being on there and having to deal with everyone's hurt Feelings and Mental Disorders. Every time, in every MP Game, there was a point at which all those silent Bobs found their Voice to spread Discord.
What exactly can the devs do to punnish the "no-shows"? Banning them from anymore matches is just going to fuck the schedule for everyone else. Banning them from future events doesnt do much either since OWs are so few and far between they can just make a new outfit like Pigs on emerald.
Okay so it sounds like some people are looking for a competitive experience but not a tournament. Because the, "I would like to play against teams that are my skill level" is a completely understandable sentiment. So there's a problem created where players want a competitive experience but the tournament style doesn't sort teams into brackets. It sounds like these people are after a league or seasonal system that will put them up against comparable teams and a tournament without any sign-up requirements/restrictions (at least it sounds like that's the case) just isn't the structured competition people are looking for. They want "ranked" play but a tournament is not that.
Very bummed that construction isn't included. It's a great skill expression for us outfits that are 100% combined arms and coordinate well with all different facets of the game working together.
I'm sad construction went away because with my shitty PC I got like 15 fps and 1 second input lag on desolation last OW and I could be useful to my team by building and supporting the colossus. But objectively construction on a smaller battlefield would have adverse effects
My primary concern is that the format will evolve into Lanesmash 2, Daybreak Boogaloo. Aside from that though, 100% agree. If you don't want to play an opponent, go home. Last season P1NK and HMRD didn't dip mid match just because one only fielded half a platoon and the other ended up getting bodied by RALI, they played it out (and have my respect for such). Outfit Wars is first and foremost a competition, and if you don't think or at the least won't try to win, you should skip the sign-ups.
I come back to Planetside every so often and play for a few weeks and man...I swear every plat/outfit I end up playing with are just a bunch of whiny babies.
have no beef in the game, so dont come at me with the coping rant. I'm just throwing out ideas. The problem with the end rants logic that if there is such a problem with particular elite fits. Well the deal is those elite fits have already stacked the playing field before the game started. They are possibly gobbling up all the attention and participation of elite players from other possible outfits. Fine yes, if you don't want to participate with elite fits then dont sign up. The problem being is two things. At that point only this will only serve a few outfits. The second problem, a mode should not be serving only a few groups of the whole base. You may argue that this is how competitions are irl. No. No they are not. They are plenty of groups and are far more open sourced. The reason this is different is due to the admittedly very well done social nature of ps2. It is simply too easy for all good players to get scooped up and taken away and the end result being only a few outfits left to be prepared. While in brawl tournaments you dont have that deal. Everyone who's looking to do something is coming and the cards aren't stacked from the get go. i do have a personal disagreement with the equivocation of oshur being only useful for one certain playstyle. However, I'd rather posit the relevant the argument. One other personal disagreement that i left out was the point of putting on a good show for the audience. I'm simply going to put that video game competitions should be for the players and not the audience.
The outfit I'm in is consoleside. While we likely wouldn't be able to make the event, we're 100% the competitively-minded players. Agreeing with Cami's rant: show up because you signed up. Have some tact.
am i looking towards outfit wars? .. hmmm no not really, will give it a look but that is it .. my primary concern still lies with the many imbalances the game has when it comes to its combined arms aspect ... it still doesn´t really exist ... aircraft dominate vehicles dominate infantry is isolated within laticebases .... and the game could be SOOO MUCH MORE than just that ... i am just feeling that rpg is just unwilling/stingy to take the steps it should ...
Can't believe the end part has to be said. Jeez, even casual bowling leagues the nation over have attendance requirements. But, hey, the participation trophy generation has hit the gaming scene, I guess.
Here a probably unpopular opinion on this channel: Outfit Wars is goddamn horrible organised - And all this drama could have been prevented with 1 single feature ... skill brackets. First, yes, if you sign up, you should show up. Full stop, no buts about that. BUT outfit wars itself is flawed. It is marketed as a kind of "community event" that is open and accessible for everyone, but it isn't. Really, unless you are in one of the stack/skill/elite outfits, your chance to win is definitly less than 10%. Outfit wars isn't fair. Just like the LoL world championship wouldn't be fair if simply anyone could join. Having a low skill outift fight against the best outfit isn't fair nor is it fun, it's like sending 14 year old Timmy into a boxing match against Mike Tyson. To be fair Outfit Wars would need participants of similar skill level, so either skill brackets or a minimum average skill to be allowed to join. And at the end, it isn't fun for anyone if someone just gives up, but it's also no fun for anyone to have a match that's just 1 side steamrolling the other. Instead we now have 2 sides beating each other up verbally on the internet, while i'm eating popcorn from the sideline and watching this absolute dumpsterfire of a discussion.
How would we even determine skill level of outfits? KD? Base Captures? What if new outfits are created for OW, how do we determine skill level of them?
As AlekO has said, the system of points will eliminate tie breaks. Also, given the win condition is who owns the most territory at the end of the match - it's impossible to tie off nine bases.
@@krillnyetheshrimpguy6152 we trashed VS and AODR. We can pass on outfit Wars. But we will no better when we see how outfit wars starts. It must piss you off knowing how big we gotten or fat would be a better word.
Fuck OW, trying to turn this title into an esport shooter will backfire like it did with the first phase, they should instead be focusing all their attention on making the live environment playable again, until then i wont be playing anytime soon...
Nexus has been a disappointment. 76% of matches as of Round 6 have been the stronger team warpgating the enemy after the initial 1 or 2 captures. 'Back and forth' was only a concept on paper as it got negated by the backcap mechanic thus resulting in a snowball effect.
However outfit wars only cater to infantry players. Planetside is more than infantry fights. So if your outfit is a air or armor outfit you will lose to a infantry only outfit. Infantry fights are boring to watch if you ask me. Their should be more types of fights other then only infantry
I agree. I think if you pledge to participate then you should participate it's an integrity issue. However, personally I would like to see larger outfits allowed to bring everyone they want. It seems to be arbitrary to me to limit at 48. I just think that if it is a measure of outfit's strength it should be a full measure of the entirety of that power. That being said, when we agree to participate we agree to the rules as written.
Then you completely undermine any semblance of balance or fairness. This is meant to put outfit against outfit on an even playing field. What's the fun in bringing +90 people to fight a small outfit's platoon of 48 that they had to stretch to pull together? If you want to overpop, then that's what live is for
Yeah, no. My outfit of 12-24 (consoleside) is great at managing zergs on live, but if you stick us where we can't use the map to our advantage, numbers win. We will not kill 2:1, let alone 3/4:1
@@Direblade11 I just think it's 'outfit wars' not 'platoon wars' it should measure the full strength of each outfit. At the same time I feel bad for smaller outfits who cannot participate if they have not even 48. Being able to coordinate more people is a type of skill as well. But picking 48 seems arbitrary to me. Why not have 'squad wars' with only 12? This would make it fair for the smaller fits who stretched to pull together a squad. Do you see what I mean?
@@Gefardino I just think it's 'outfit wars' not 'platoon wars' it should measure the full strength of each outfit. At the same time I feel bad for smaller outfits who cannot participate if they have not even 48. Being able to coordinate more people is a type of skill as well. But picking 48 seems arbitrary to me. Why not have 'squad wars' with only 12. This would make it fair for the smaller fits who stretched to pull together a squad. Do you see what I mean?
Oh yay....the thing ps4 has been asking for for 7 years rather than getting banned for scrims...for it to come to PC again and not ps4 likely...since ps4 is missing over a dozen updates including 6 reskin updates...pathetic
We do not have corsairs or Esamir. Our login screen is a picture of Esamir and it saddens me that it's STILL gone. No other continent is as good for armour columns.
I mean if you have really bad uneven match ups you can't blame people for leaving. Nobody wants to play a game where they are just gonna get stomped on and have zero fun. But if the outfits are matched up evenly based on skill and numbers then yeah nobody should be leaving.
Fair enough, but here's the thing: in ALL bracket tournaments, those eliminated early by the champion team/person cannot be placed as necessarily bad. As far as the results say, every loser to the champion could be as good as second place. If you are going to join a tournament, play in the tournament. Do not expect it to cowtow to your expectations of fairness.
@@CAMIKAZE78 Giving you 2 other supporting arguments: I replied to Zealous about it too. An e-sports bar in my area streams kinda whatever they want. I told them about OW and they may stream it, if there's casting on UA-cam. Unnecessary delays from people not showing up will drastically decrease audience retention, and thusly make people less likely to want to try out Planetside 2. Related point, not showing up is an opportunity cost to: the other players, some of your own players, anyone who didn't make the OW cut, casters, future PS2 players, and devs (kinda). I did a very rough estimate, and not fighting 5 outfits costs, at minimum/lower average, ~$8,000 total. Formula is: 48*5 = 240, 240*(total missed work ours, I assumed 3 on avg) = 720. 720*(minimum wage) = at least $7,200. Over $1,000 in players' opportunity cost per bail.
Totally agree with the end rant. If you commit to a tournament, you face who you face. If you want to bow out, bow out of the whole thing. Or take a harsh penalty like your next 5 matches are all losses. Outfit wars are supposed to be team inspired events where you show your mettle, not an advertisement platform to boost your member numbers. That would be the only thing I could see as the reason to join up but want to skip matches just because you feel the other team is better. In life you win some and you loose some. Use it as a chance to grow if you think your outfit isn't that good. Next time you might just be the one that is the favored to win.
Exactly. The fact that some people were trying to dig up a rationale behind such a decision to selectively participate really got to me. Couldn't agree more with your thoughts mate, cheers for sharing!
I just hear them saying "I decided to participate in an international competition and am unhappy that I was beaten by some of the best in the WORLD." Yes that is how True Competitive works, you want fun and less cut throat that is what live servers are for... Casual to semi competitive play.
I just came back to planetside in full a few weeks ago after having played some server smash and lane smash back in the day, and the fact that some outfits want to skip hard matches disgust me. I relish getting my ass handed to me by someone more skilled than me. I can learn where I can improve that way. Let's be real, this entire game is about getting your ass handed to you for stupid reasons, skill gap is one we rarely get to see in full, let's not ruin it
Who would've thought that playing the crayola coloring book simulator day in and day out in asymmetric populations doesn't mean you're good at the game or even remotely competent. I, for one, am absolutely floored.
"Tactical" players when they can't dump 98 people on a point building with 3 people inside it 😡
I appreciate that rant at the end. It makes total sense. If I was on a team and our challenger just didn't show up, I would hate that cause we didn't actually prove ourselves and skills, which is what OW is sort of about. At least that's what I would imagine. I wanted to join this year but my outfit isn't going to which I respect. Deffinately gonna watch though
Yeah, that's the point of these idiots not showing up. They don't want people to realize they're just bloated zergfits that have no skill at adapting to even fight environments
I would join up, but my outfit is just one dude.
Me. 😢
@@rareraven Git gud. Learn how to 48:1 and be the best outfit :^)
@@Direblade11 fak yeah! I CAN do it! Thnx man. 😆
Boom. Exactly right mate. Thanks for sharing.
So true Cami,if you don't want to play, competively don't sign up. Especially in a ranking system that is designed to assign points that breaks ties. That's unfair to that ranking system. If you sign up you flicking play to your best.
Couldn't agree more my friend.
13:25 Wdym it sounds harsh? Thats basically whats normally happening to Competitors that just dont show up because they dont feel like it. Its just griefing other players if you do it, which is a reportable offense in the terms of conduct so 100% justified to boot these outfits out of the competition. And it even already happened somewhat like that in Planetside. Best example is this years lanesmash where one team just pulled ants and stopped playing after they´ve lost the first round.
Also its pretty interesting to see all the hot takes on reddit. Really shows the amount of dislike for anything competitive, skillbased and not casual. Its a sandbox game, everyone can do whatever he chooses to do thats not violating TOS. This includes anything from "turning PS2 into an arena shooter" to just building bases and of course also 1v1s or 1v1v1s in outfit wars and you shouldnt hate people for doing that, or grief them.
Very based Cami, thanks for this video, it'll get way more visibility than the reddit post, even though I think the people that have such plans to boycott too challenging matches won't listen and will go through with it.
Appreciate it mate. Believe it or not, this video isn't doing too well so this might just end up echoing the original reddit post as opposed to reach a wider viewership - but it was worth a try. Thanks again mate.
Finally endorsed teamkilling *fires gauss rifle in the air at a passing reaver*
*NC intensifies*
Cami, Thank you for calling out the BS opinion on dipping from hard match ups. That sentiment has been on the rise and is something I think is truly detrimental to PS2 culture which already is slanted towards disliking good players by and large. If you don't want to get rolled by people who put in time and effort to practice and gain proficiency, then practice or don't compete.
go hard or go home
I'm in a casual/skilled outfit. Our main lead likes to say this: It's alright if you don't want to use META loadouts, but then don't complain if people who do beat you.
It needed to be said, thanks for the kind words mate. Here's hoping we can put this approach in the ground before the season gets off and running.
@@CAMIKAZE78 Couldn't agree more
That is REMARKABLY embarrassing to proudly and openly say you'll just quit if someone's better than you in OW lmaooo. Im not a comp ps2 player but yikes, imagine signing up for a comp match then bailing cause you don't want to go against comp players. What makes it worse is that you know they're just going to blame the dev team for trying to enforce fair, even, fights.
I agree, if an outfit abandons their position in outfit wars, there should be some sort of punishment.
100% agreed mate. A toxic mentality imo.
I think you should be temp/permabanned from competing in any official events if your entire outfit no-shows on purpose.
I admit, last OW, I only took part one match just to get the knife. I wanted others to explore OW because playing the game so long, I prefer playing Casual/Chill mode, though I still can swap it up to Sweaty.
Whenever I find a Sweaty Plat Live, then sure I'll go Sweaty too, it's much more thrilling to take part in that fast rolling ball on the frontlines, and I think most community knows, it's hard to be Sweaty where likely most folks just want to Power Down for the day or are actually New Players. I stopped straining my brain to like do Sweaty things around such folks and just played along with em.
I'm not that deep into the planetside 2 community despite having an account for almost 10 years. I have a couple thoughts on this.
First off, the inherent design of planetside 2 is not meant to be competitive, so I don't think the matches will be that enjoyable to watch. Unless we are able to get first person views of actual players in the game, but birds eye view it looks funny to me. But if this is what the community wants, so be it and good for the devs are at least trying.
I personally believe outfits should have the ability to forfeit matches. That's just a natural ability you have in any competitive game. You shouldn't be forced to do anything as an individual. There are two ways of going about this that I feel are valid:
1: Forfeit well in advance of the match. Allow a time slot of like an hour for each team to make the decision to either fight or bow out so the other team can advance. This has practical reasons as well. There are plenty of small outfits out there who don't have players sitting on call to take empty spots. What if a team isn't able to complete fill out roster spots they thought they could when originally signing up? Life happens lol. The other team is able to advance to the next round and doesn't have to waste time sitting in an empty lobby. [Edit: I'm reading the notes and it says matches are scheduled days in advance. If you forefit your match at least 24 hours prior to the start time, that should be allowed. I'd love to see someone's argument against this. Feel free to call them cowards all you want, and maybe some are. It should still be allowed, cause someone may have a legitimate reason to not be able to participate due to real world situations.]
2: If 10 minutes into the game it's clear that one team is going to literally dominate the other, the bad team should be allowed to throw in the towel. Again, a BASIC option in every other competitive game out there. Could you imagine a boxing match or ufc fight where the refs never waved off the fight and just let one guy beat an unconscious man to death till the clock runs out? No one wants to see that.
What I do not support is greefing, which would be like one team decides just to sit in their warpgate at the beginning of the match and not try or just disconnecting. That truly is a waste of everyone's time.
But the fact that nowhere in the dev notes they mentioned the ability to forfeit matches worries me. It should be a simple majority rules type of situation. If 75% of the team votes to forfeit. Game over. Literally every other competitive shooter I've played has this feature. If the devs can't get something that simple right, I don't see this event ending well. But it will make for a good reddit post to read through. I'll have my popcorn ready 🍿
I didn't know that was even a thing! To give up like that, just because it's a bit hard, and people are pushing for this coward approach, disgusting!
I completely agree, they should be punished! Heck their outfit logo should be changed to a chicken for X amount of time for everyone to know that they did this.
Man... with all honesty, planetside2 player base has a mentality that whoever is better than them must be cheating in some way. They refuse to even concept that someone might be better than them.
I very much agree with the chicken thing. Make it lock onto all their armour and vehicles for 3-6 months, and make it very prominent
@@olecer Agreed! I think this mentality goes way beyond planetside 2 though
Complete cowardness, I am really hoping anyone that had this approach in mind takes a good, long, hard look at themselves.
Its because people tie their ego to the game and cant handle being dunked on. There will always be these kinds of losers but in normal sport they are generally weeded out in primary school. (yes I calling them childish) Also not just their logo but their cosmetics should be shame locked to chicken suits for a full year, all characters on their account)
I agree with the rant, but I do think that outfits should be able to more casually play that 1v1 mode if they so choose instead of it being reserved for these super competitive tournaments. Challenge another outfit, reserve a timeslot together, have your match on your own terms instead of having to be part of an event meant to be the best of the best just to do this gamemode- especially since participation in the game mode is probably one of the best methods of practicing the game mode.
That idea could even have the benefit of making the actual tournament even more competitive.
@@durakeno5575 Right? People could practice for it, learn the map, be ready when game day comes.
I'm excited to also be casting and playing this season. I'm glad you had that rant someone needed to say it! It should be great season
Good luck mate, hope it goes well!
I'm looking forward to the revised Outfit Wars format, as a viewer. It's pretty fun watching organized chaos from a birds eye view so I hope it goes well this season.
I got the fix for people that plan to bail if the opposition is "too tough." the outfit can just face the possibility of being disbanded completely if they sign up and then flake out. As you said, they're signing up for a tournament, if they're not 100% willing to give their all for it then they shouldn't sign up.
I like the savagery my friend!
This all being said, where can I find a outfit to join that ISNT like that, and also where can I watch Outfit Wars?
This reminds me of UT2004 "Onslaught" Game mode, there was literally the same objective - connect your Power Core to enemy team's Power Core and then destroy it.
man Zellys butt is gonna be sore until next year from that one
wtf you mean i cant just overpop or doubleteam the other team to win????
If you can't win, you *can* play spoiler - and that's fun. Maybe your efforts cost that opponent points. Maybe those points cause that opponent to get lower ranked and that affects their seed in the bracket (is there a bracket?).
Couldn't agree more. It's all about leaving your mark on the outcome in any way you can.
My Outfit suffered from another throwing a match so that they wouldn't have to face tough competition later on.
The Thing is they were more of a 'sweatfit' than us, Actively pulling in ringers from other outfits and such.
It was one of the worst parts of the last OW experience for me and has permanently soured the opinion of the outfit for some of us.
The spirit of Honest competition is absolutely necessary for any tournament or competition to work. If you can't handle that mentality then fuck right off.
Zealous' video was effin stupid, how he gets that many views is beyond me
Clickbait + UA-cam algorithm meta + sharing in his community of people that think like him
He runs the largest zergfit on cobalt vs so he makes sure they all watch his vids
@@gloryps2781 not everyone in the Zergfit is in the discord server, it's a decently large number though
@@krosz1302 eh, barely 10% of the outfit are in the discord.
I agree with the end, but I think it's unfair of Planetside 2 that only big outfits are allowed to join.
Our outfit has 3 events every week and on average we have 2 squads. Here and there some come back to the outfit, but also some go AFK or have more to do in RL.
We take care of our players and try to keep them on the ball so that we continue to play Planetside 2 in our club.
At the last Outfit Wars we could not participate because we are too small. Now we have even made the extra effort and made even more advertising for our outfit.
The same problem have many other outfit on Miller, as I got that with.
Even alliances did not come to stande, because often the fraction is an obstacle.
Now we try to participate as a "small" outfit in the tournament, even if only 5 people come to the game. But I just have to say "it's Planetside's own fault" we do everything we can to keep players in the game and try to train new players. But if after more than 2 years of development on Outfit Wars we are still not offered a reasonable possibility to participate, we just have to try!
The sentiment is nice and all, and yes players shouldn’t dip because they don’t like the matchup, but outfit wars staunchly caters to just the infantry playstyle. It would be nice if vehicle oriented outfits could participate in their own way against said opposition without being completely discounted.
So far “outfit wars” just seem like “infantry wars”.
4:48 XDDD OK so i know NC has a team killing issue from what I remember but did that really turn into what we are know for 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One topic that was not covered was how outfit wars affects live play. This year caused a massive shift in server population and had certain factions being focused on. Hopefully a solution can be made to prevent players from jumping ship on their factions in favor of the META faction for outfit wars. Leading up to outfit wars the game was near unplayable during prime time if you weren't playing NC.
Don't blame OW, blame the devs making NC the best faction with their patches
Like it's mainly because the teams wanna train for the matches and smaller outfits have to bond together to Make 48 players so ye it will fuck with live Play but other then jeager there is not many places to practice
4:51 silly cami, it's only war crimes if someone is alive to report it ;)
Banning an outfit if they miss too many matches is reasonable. However, I think there's something to be said in defence of the less skilled outfits as well. If you like the outfit wars format but you aren't skilled enough to compete, in the current format you can't realistically join. And yeah, I think the best option for those outfits would be to not join and complain to the devs instead of ruining the fun for others. But we shouldn't forget why it is that people do these things in the first place. If outfit wars had some kind of skill based matchmaking, this wouldn't be a problem.
based, it's okay to have things that focus more on one part of the playerbase or on one specific playstyle, BUT DONT FORCE IT ON EVERYONE, thats the problem with Oshur, not with OW tho, you're not forced to sign up, you're not forced to play, live servers are still going to be running while the tournament is going on. Thats why most of my friends logoff immediately when Oshur unlocks, we're infantry players, and while it is possible to play infantry on Oshur it is a 100% harder to keep up with the pace in terms of stats or just fun in general that we've had on any other continent...
Same with max alert, "just play max or archer engi" I don't wanna fucking play any of those, I just wanna chill and play how I want, stop forcing me into these things
If outfit wars were truly combined arms imo, there should be at least two vehicle capture objectives.
I find myself completely agreeing with every point made. Good video Camikaze!
Fucking finally! Someone said it. There is no game that is for everyone, much less a freaking competitive mode in said game. It just basic manners, if anything, isn't trying to win against a better team an even bigger badge of honor, even if you lost? What the heck is with that loser mindset? Even when I'm playing dota and getting stomped i still try to put up a fight, there are things to learn even if you lose.
Also, what happen when they met an equal team, if there is such a thing, or a weaker one? Are they saying they are fine wiping a weaker team? Or is it more "fair" fighting someone on equal level? What a dual mentality.
my outfit has sighed up for the OW and we got a lot of our people who are participating in it but i will not participate in the OW cause i think my own skill is still to low for this and i would be more useless to my team instead of being usefull and like you said cami if you dont want to participate then dot do it.
I'd say stay on reserve if you can make the timeslot. Try and stay as an engi or medic and just support your allies
As a casual player, but im vet, i dont care much about outfit wars.
Mr Camikaze, what do u think about vehicle weapon attachments?
I suggested several times on reddit but no one seem to like it.
It would help to, for instance turn ESFs into subs
Spite is a potent motivator.
just gonna say regarding construction: REMOVE painspires and routingspires (the later of the two imho makes the base itself rather redundant as proxy stagingfacilty), make silos an objective for the attackers to overload like the old HIVEs at the exchange of them being shielded by the structureshieldmodule ...
and i say that as a PMB player myself
I am run our outfits building night and I would love to be able to build during OW. But I kinda understand why they chose to not allow it. Potentially unlimited tanks and aircraft and the ability to lockdown choke points would really slow down the gamemode. I wonder if making cortium behind the front three nodes non-regenerating and limiting the the number of silos would be enough.
@@Hawaiiwong just limit the spawing cortium to 1 node with cortiumammount to 8000 maximum, if neccesary increase the cortiumcost for vehiclespaws
IMO outfit wars should use an ELO system such as many online competitive games such as chess or League or Legends. ELO meants to match players (or outfits) against adversaries of a similar skill level based on how many wins - loses they have (do not mistake with win/lose ratio, ELO formula works around wins minus loses).
How can we implement this on PS2? each time there is an outfit war, outfits have a few days to sign up. Once inscriptions are closed, outfits are matched against the closest ELO adversary. Winners gain ELO points, losers lose ELO points.This system just works and every round played makes the matching system better and better as the best outfits get more points and are matched only against similar ELO outfits.
The ELO formula (is available on the wiki) works in such a way that super dominant outfits dont get as much ELO points if they are matched against an underdog outfit, and are heavly penalized if they lose.
With this system outfits could hop on - hop off outfit wars without needing to participate on long tournaments. Leagues or divisions could be created to recognize skill level of outfits (like gold, silver and bronze divisions) and give rewards based on that.
Tournament format is moronic btw.
I would even allow matches between outfits of the same faction just for balance porposes.
Implementing ELO hell wouldnt do any good to the game
#PS2 should have all the outfit wars maps public so we can all enjoy them! It's only serving the elites as of now.
To devil's advocate the rant position some ... I'd counter that there is in fact a difference between creating game content which generally caters towards different portions of the game sandbox (Oshur), versus creating game content which operates to the absolute exclusion of anything other than what it caters to (competitive tournament in an ostensibly casual game). The players not interested in a hardcore ultra-competitive environment have absolutely nothing while using the Oshur example, the continent at least attempts to provide something for everyone (whether it succeeds is a different debate entirely).
There are also select outfits in the game who are extremely tryhard, to the point of being in a league of their own. If that's how they want to have fun, that's perfectly fine, but when it comes to outfit wars it will inevitably create a situation where you have two distinct classes of participants where only one of them has any meaningful shot at winning and matches which mix these two classes really won't hold much competitive integrity since the victor is practically a foregone conclusion. To name names, Recursion is pretty much going to wipe the floor with most people they face. Outside of a similarly ultra-hardcore outfit, that will not be a fun match to play and it remains to be seen if it is a fun match to even watch.
Planetside is at its core not a competitive game, and in playing devil's advocate I will assert that the pushback against trying to shove a square peg into a round hole is not entirely meritless.
Discord is called Discord for a Reason ^^
Not that TeamSpeak was any better... Hell, I don't miss being on there and having to deal with everyone's hurt Feelings and Mental Disorders.
Every time, in every MP Game, there was a point at which all those silent Bobs found their Voice to spread Discord.
What exactly can the devs do to punnish the "no-shows"? Banning them from anymore matches is just going to fuck the schedule for everyone else. Banning them from future events doesnt do much either since OWs are so few and far between they can just make a new outfit like Pigs on emerald.
Okay so it sounds like some people are looking for a competitive experience but not a tournament. Because the, "I would like to play against teams that are my skill level" is a completely understandable sentiment. So there's a problem created where players want a competitive experience but the tournament style doesn't sort teams into brackets. It sounds like these people are after a league or seasonal system that will put them up against comparable teams and a tournament without any sign-up requirements/restrictions (at least it sounds like that's the case) just isn't the structured competition people are looking for. They want "ranked" play but a tournament is not that.
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Very bummed that construction isn't included. It's a great skill expression for us outfits that are 100% combined arms and coordinate well with all different facets of the game working together.
I'm sad construction went away because with my shitty PC I got like 15 fps and 1 second input lag on desolation last OW and I could be useful to my team by building and supporting the colossus. But objectively construction on a smaller battlefield would have adverse effects
It just has a very low skill ceiling. So arguably because of that unfit.
As someone who's been playing on playstation this isn't really an issue for me.
My primary concern is that the format will evolve into Lanesmash 2, Daybreak Boogaloo. Aside from that though, 100% agree. If you don't want to play an opponent, go home. Last season P1NK and HMRD didn't dip mid match just because one only fielded half a platoon and the other ended up getting bodied by RALI, they played it out (and have my respect for such). Outfit Wars is first and foremost a competition, and if you don't think or at the least won't try to win, you should skip the sign-ups.
I come back to Planetside every so often and play for a few weeks and man...I swear every plat/outfit I end up playing with are just a bunch of whiny babies.
have no beef in the game, so dont come at me with the coping rant. I'm just throwing out ideas. The problem with the end rants logic that if there is such a problem with particular elite fits. Well the deal is those elite fits have already stacked the playing field before the game started. They are possibly gobbling up all the attention and participation of elite players from other possible outfits. Fine yes, if you don't want to participate with elite fits then dont sign up.
The problem being is two things. At that point only this will only serve a few outfits. The second problem, a mode should not be serving only a few groups of the whole base. You may argue that this is how competitions are irl. No. No they are not. They are plenty of groups and are far more open sourced. The reason this is different is due to the admittedly very well done social nature of ps2. It is simply too easy for all good players to get scooped up and taken away and the end result being only a few outfits left to be prepared. While in brawl tournaments you dont have that deal. Everyone who's looking to do something is coming and the cards aren't stacked from the get go.
i do have a personal disagreement with the equivocation of oshur being only useful for one certain playstyle. However, I'd rather posit the relevant the argument. One other personal disagreement that i left out was the point of putting on a good show for the audience. I'm simply going to put that video game competitions should be for the players and not the audience.
~5:20 VS is gonna struggle with IDing friend vs foe
Very Longtime player . Outfitwars Why? Great video as usual Cami all the best.
The outfit I'm in is consoleside. While we likely wouldn't be able to make the event, we're 100% the competitively-minded players. Agreeing with Cami's rant: show up because you signed up. Have some tact.
am i looking towards outfit wars? .. hmmm no not really, will give it a look but that is it ..
my primary concern still lies with the many imbalances the game has when it comes to its combined arms aspect ... it still doesn´t really exist ...
aircraft dominate vehicles dominate infantry is isolated within laticebases .... and the game could be SOOO MUCH MORE than just that ... i am just feeling that rpg is just unwilling/stingy to take the steps it should ...
Thnks cami for speaking out to these degenarates
Can't believe the end part has to be said. Jeez, even casual bowling leagues the nation over have attendance requirements.
But, hey, the participation trophy generation has hit the gaming scene, I guess.
Here a probably unpopular opinion on this channel: Outfit Wars is goddamn horrible organised - And all this drama could have been prevented with 1 single feature ... skill brackets.
First, yes, if you sign up, you should show up. Full stop, no buts about that.
BUT outfit wars itself is flawed. It is marketed as a kind of "community event" that is open and accessible for everyone, but it isn't. Really, unless you are in one of the stack/skill/elite outfits, your chance to win is definitly less than 10%. Outfit wars isn't fair. Just like the LoL world championship wouldn't be fair if simply anyone could join. Having a low skill outift fight against the best outfit isn't fair nor is it fun, it's like sending 14 year old Timmy into a boxing match against Mike Tyson.
To be fair Outfit Wars would need participants of similar skill level, so either skill brackets or a minimum average skill to be allowed to join. And at the end, it isn't fun for anyone if someone just gives up, but it's also no fun for anyone to have a match that's just 1 side steamrolling the other. Instead we now have 2 sides beating each other up verbally on the internet, while i'm eating popcorn from the sideline and watching this absolute dumpsterfire of a discussion.
How would we even determine skill level of outfits? KD? Base Captures? What if new outfits are created for OW, how do we determine skill level of them?
@@lordwhippleton9734 well, it would probably need to be some system taking at least KD, kpm and caps into account.
Even teams, I forsee ties, many of them.
As far as I can tell, the points system will prevent ties.
As AlekO has said, the system of points will eliminate tie breaks. Also, given the win condition is who owns the most territory at the end of the match - it's impossible to tie off nine bases.
We may not have the players not everyone wonts outfit wars back . So we may not be signing up. And on emerald we have the most pop in outfits.
Let's be honest, it's probably because P1GS needs 2 platoons to be on equal footing with everyone else.
@@krillnyetheshrimpguy6152 we trashed VS and AODR. We can pass on outfit Wars. But we will no better when we see how outfit wars starts. It must piss you off knowing how big we gotten or fat would be a better word.
Fuck OW, trying to turn this title into an esport shooter will backfire like it did with the first phase, they should instead be focusing all their attention on making the live environment playable again, until then i wont be playing anytime soon...
Lol I know who he’s talking about 🤣🤣.
Nexus has been a disappointment. 76% of matches as of Round 6 have been the stronger team warpgating the enemy after the initial 1 or 2 captures. 'Back and forth' was only a concept on paper as it got negated by the backcap mechanic thus resulting in a snowball effect.
However outfit wars only cater to infantry players. Planetside is more than infantry fights. So if your outfit is a air or armor outfit you will lose to a infantry only outfit. Infantry fights are boring to watch if you ask me. Their should be more types of fights other then only infantry
I agree. I think if you pledge to participate then you should participate it's an integrity issue. However, personally I would like to see larger outfits allowed to bring everyone they want. It seems to be arbitrary to me to limit at 48. I just think that if it is a measure of outfit's strength it should be a full measure of the entirety of that power. That being said, when we agree to participate we agree to the rules as written.
Then you completely undermine any semblance of balance or fairness. This is meant to put outfit against outfit on an even playing field. What's the fun in bringing +90 people to fight a small outfit's platoon of 48 that they had to stretch to pull together? If you want to overpop, then that's what live is for
Yes pls. More farm
Yeah, no. My outfit of 12-24 (consoleside) is great at managing zergs on live, but if you stick us where we can't use the map to our advantage, numbers win. We will not kill 2:1, let alone 3/4:1
@@Direblade11 I just think it's 'outfit wars' not 'platoon wars' it should measure the full strength of each outfit. At the same time I feel bad for smaller outfits who cannot participate if they have not even 48. Being able to coordinate more people is a type of skill as well. But picking 48 seems arbitrary to me. Why not have 'squad wars' with only 12? This would make it fair for the smaller fits who stretched to pull together a squad. Do you see what I mean?
@@Gefardino I just think it's 'outfit wars' not 'platoon wars' it should measure the full strength of each outfit. At the same time I feel bad for smaller outfits who cannot participate if they have not even 48. Being able to coordinate more people is a type of skill as well. But picking 48 seems arbitrary to me. Why not have 'squad wars' with only 12. This would make it fair for the smaller fits who stretched to pull together a squad. Do you see what I mean?
Make it look like battlefield but change the name so no one knows
Outfit Wars is obviously sweaty and competitive, what was player expecting to win everytime? Just lose with some respect.
playing someone whos 10x your skill isnt fun, any decent tournament has seeding so that doesn't happen.
Oh yay....the thing ps4 has been asking for for 7 years rather than getting banned for scrims...for it to come to PC again and not ps4 likely...since ps4 is missing over a dozen updates including 6 reskin updates...pathetic
We do not have corsairs or Esamir. Our login screen is a picture of Esamir and it saddens me that it's STILL gone. No other continent is as good for armour columns.
the usual competetive game is also balanced when it comes to weapons and all that. planetside kinda isnt.
Yeah, but that effectively doesn't matter. Someone's weapon, or a group's weapons, will not beat smart small-scale team fighting.
I mean if you have really bad uneven match ups you can't blame people for leaving. Nobody wants to play a game where they are just gonna get stomped on and have zero fun. But if the outfits are matched up evenly based on skill and numbers then yeah nobody should be leaving.
Fair enough, but here's the thing: in ALL bracket tournaments, those eliminated early by the champion team/person cannot be placed as necessarily bad. As far as the results say, every loser to the champion could be as good as second place.
If you are going to join a tournament, play in the tournament. Do not expect it to cowtow to your expectations of fairness.
That is going to happen in every competitive field as skill gets filtered. Don't like that, don't sign up to the tournament.
@@CAMIKAZE78 Giving you 2 other supporting arguments:
I replied to Zealous about it too. An e-sports bar in my area streams kinda whatever they want. I told them about OW and they may stream it, if there's casting on UA-cam. Unnecessary delays from people not showing up will drastically decrease audience retention, and thusly make people less likely to want to try out Planetside 2.
Related point, not showing up is an opportunity cost to: the other players, some of your own players, anyone who didn't make the OW cut, casters, future PS2 players, and devs (kinda). I did a very rough estimate, and not fighting 5 outfits costs, at minimum/lower average, ~$8,000 total.
Formula is:
48*5 = 240,
240*(total missed work ours, I assumed 3 on avg) = 720.
720*(minimum wage) = at least $7,200.
Over $1,000 in players' opportunity cost per bail.
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