The springs actually do have different functionality. You cannot use the homing attack on the classic springs. And... that's it. But there is a difference!
How is that supposed to make sense it would have been useful if you can use the homing attack on those springs and also Sonic feels slow in cyberspace even when I use the boost he doesn't even feel fast and cyberspace to me are nothing more than filler levels because the only thing you get from them are just portal keys and due to the fact that's they reuse the same designs from Green Hill chemical plant and even sky century why don't they give us the level designs from the adventure games or the storybook games or unleashed or even colors of all people don't you agree that we are tired of the same levels like Green Hill like chemical plant and sky sanctuary over and over again if anything those levels from those previous games never even got in Sonic frontiers or even a motorized design of them
@@JustinJulian-00 First, I want to introduce you to this thing called "Punctuation". Sebond, the Classic Springs are not meant to be useful. They are just meant to be another aspect of the level to keep in mind. Because if you can use the homing attack on them then they are no different from the Modern Spring. So at that point why even have them? Everything else you mentioned is an entirely different conversation.
@@JustinJulian-00The reason why it's always those stages is mostly because they get to reuse assets from Generations and maybe Unleashed. Generations already has some Unleashed assets I believe, like Skyscraper Scamper billboards in Speed Highway, City Escape, and Perfect Chaos.
I see. So basically they're there to keep you on your toes, like the horizontal spring pole things introduced in Sonic Advance (I think, might be in a few classic levels) that got used in Dimps games untill being brought into basically all the boost games. They serve almost the purpose as springs but they function just different enough to make you pay attention.
Fun fact: the spin dash is actually in the PS2/Wii version of Unleashed. If you press the boost button right when GO appears you'll spin dash. Get the timing perfect and you'll also fill up a boost bar for free
It will never not piss me off that Sonic doesn’t have the drift in Cyberspace since the left shoulder button (which is used for the Sonic Boom attack in the overworld) doesn’t do anything.
Yeah man Sonic can't even drift in cyberspace like you wanted to be because sonic just goes against the wall if you were trying to turn left or right for example you can only do that in certain areas of cyberspace that should have been one of the main movesets for Sonic so I can drift and tight corners much easier while maintaining my speed
@@sonicdml4175 I know I can slide I just can't drift in certain areas of cyberspace and drifting is all about turning in sharp corners and drifting and sliding is not the same thing
Watching this video made me realize how inconsistent this franchise’s game design is and how many moves it doesn’t have anymore, and also how the rules break even with the very same moveset
It still pisses me off that parkour has practically been left to rot in Lost World since that's actually a cool mechanic that could have been explored more if they bothered fleshing it out (no I don't count Frontiers, since they only cover certain colored walls.)
Classic being from a different dimension wouldn’t have been lame if they did what I THOUGHT they were doing with that plot. The phantom Ruby was already doing some weird dimension-y stuff in mania. I was confident the villains Infinte was using were plucked from timelines that they had been victorious in. A chaos that had wiped out all life, a shadow that had followed through with his plans, a zavok that… lost hexed all over the place? Idk I never played lost world. Instead, they’re just… projections? Copies? They’re lame. The phantom Ruby was undermined and a great potential story arc for all four of those villains was missed. Just IMAGINE shadow talking to a past self that didn’t realise Maria’s true last wish…
That's an awful idea. If there are alternate timelines where other outcomes happened, then the events of each game become meaningless. It's the ultimate tension killer. Sonic's victory in any given game means nothing is there's infinite timelines where he lost and everyone died, and vice versa. It's impossible to introduce a multiverse into a series without erasing all meaning from any and all plots.
@@HOTD108_It's basically needing a "main timeline" that stays focused on. With how Sonic goes, the idea'd only be in Forces. Unless manipulated, the other timelines wouldn't matter... Just do it 'cuz it's cool this one time, then move on as Sonic tends to do
When you said "Sonic Moves" I thought you were talking about his dance numbers in those commercials from the 2000s And that's not even mentioning Shadow
They said that the show was made to be canon but that after production started the writers of the show at Netflix disregarded pre existing canon and did whatever they wanted
Lost World had a lot of cool ideas that I felt like could've worked had Sonic Team actually STUCK with the gameplay they were going for and fleshed it out going forward. Instead they just cowarded out and made Forces, a game specifically created to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.
@@felixdaniels37 I'd say Lost World's control scheme was more of an attempt to appeal to a wider audience. The Boost Formula is controversial even among Sonic fans. To me it seemes like Lost World spooked them, they tried to go back to the Boost Formula that made Generations and Colors so beloved and then fumbled it a bunch since Forces had a very short dev cycle, which is weird because preproduction started a long time before production proper. The boost formula is actually one of the best developed ones now, starting with Rush and Rush Adventure, including Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Forces, Frontiers and now ending on Shadow Generations.
@@mdstevens0612 Honestly, in my personal opinion. Sonic has just sprawled out into too many sub genres, and it just causes nobody getting what they want. Sonic adventure, and almost 06. Had a focus on momentum platforming, and spin playstyles. (I'm distinctly saying spin. instead of spin off. Knuckles, rouge and sa1 tails. All control the same, but what actions they can do are a bit. Which applied to 06. ) While boost games have tend to have spin off playstyles. And a focus on reaction time. It's no longer "I wonder if I can do this, it looks like I could cheese it with momentum" on first level sight read. It's until after you played the level and get a loose idea for the layout. For spino off styles that be like classic sonic, werehog, and avatar to some extent. Where it stops feeling like "a sonic game" and something else. Which in itself isn't inherently bad. But it causes a bunch of conflict. Since we now have effectively classic, adventure (focus on upgrades, and momentum knowledge), boost (quick reaction time, and memory of the level), lost world(Multi homing attack, higher focus on platforming), open/frontier (An attempt at a jack of all trades)
I've never watched an LSMark video so I was confused as to why he kept getting recommended to me. Now I know it's because him and Splash Dash are the same person lol.
Funnily enough, Frontiers technically goes back to the way the boost gauge fills up in Unleashed in Generations as well because collecting rings while boosting (when you don't have an unlimited boost that is) will fill your gauge back up slowly, so collecting rings while boosting is useful in Cyber Space. Just a fin tidbit. They're going back to how it works in Unleashed and Generations in Shadow Generations, so that's fun. They better have the wall jump in there too.
In Sonic Lost World there's forgotten move, When Sonic's uncurling from the Spindash and spinning without the Ball Graphic, just hold down the Spindash botton again you literally do this by spinning in the Water without fall it
I don’t know why but I’ve always had a love for the Super Peel Out. I think it’s one of the best things to be introduced to a Sonic game but it needs to be in more modern titles!
What good super peel out would do sure you will be super fast when you use it but your left open to enemy attacks I mean it can be optional to put the move in there but it's not the most beneficial move to have because while you spin dash you are more protected from damage from the enemies
@@JustinJulian-00 You can roll immediately after launching from a Peel-Out making you just as protected as with the Spindash but with the Peel-Out's speed, if anything once you start doing that trick the Peel-Out makes the Spindash less useful, other than you still being vulnerable while charging in place which is hardly an issue.
@legoboy7107 Actually, that makes the Super Peel Out worse since you need an additional input to make it more effective. The Spindash gives you speed and protection upon being used. Super Peel Out requires you to quickly press down right after using the move if there is enemies in your way. At this point, it's only main unique trait was the running animation which as of Superstars has become Classic Sonic's full speed running animation.
@@mikeanthony3300 I mean, I don't exactly find pressing down on a dpad to be a particularly difficult challenge to be honest, that seems entirely negligible and also doesn't really impact which move is better in terms of abilities and usefulness in-game, that's an external factor.
I like the way they handled Boost and Spindash in Frontiers. Boost to go fast yet glued to the ground and Spindash to go fast and basically enable physics. I like those options.
@@GUNS_jk just don't use it in cyberspace because otherwise you're not going to get any faster after you use it while you are faster on the islands as long as you have all of your rings
I think it is interesting how in any media besides games, his boost is completely nonexistent. I find that so weird considering how powerful of an ability that is.
@@TheSultan1470 except it is done in such a way that you can directly run into enemies to defeat them with this, and you can change direction in the air or boost forward even more with it. I think it is neat.
@11:40-.-Don't worry, the final Avatar solo level is The only level where you can wall jump. It can't be done in any other level, which is why mark forgot about it. And technically, Sonic never did the wall jump, so he is not wrong.
At this point. Sonic has brought back the old games so much at this point that it isn’t even nostalgic for old players anymore. Sega is the opposite of “let the past be the past”
Fun Fact! In frontiers, Sonic was actually meant to have the drift and it was removed last minute, BUT THEY SOMEHOW LEFT IT FOR SUPER SONIC. You can literally do it while fighting Giganto in the vanilla game, it's insane
Mannn.... FINALY someone talks about it. I hate how every thing is inconsistant in this franchise. And also the button layout. How the f they can't make a consistant button layout?
Remember the sweep kick in sonic unleashed? That was straight up pointless and its only use was for destroying furniture/boxes in the hubworld. Also unleashed had the “tap” jump, where if you tap the jump button sonic will do a small jump while keeping your speed. I THINK generations had it too but they got rid of it in future games. And the light dash. Before frontiers it was basically gone since like unleashed. Colors didn’t have it besides using the green wisp, and generations only had the light dash with some specific trails of rings. I don’t even remember if forces had it but frontiers finally brought it back to normal. The bounce bracelet. SA2 had it, 06 had it, and then frontiers kinda brought it back albeit it’s pretty gimped. No idea why those 3 games have it and no others. What about the magic hands in SA2? That serves absolutely no purpose? Dude I can go on and on and on.
Colors and Generations have the short hop as well, I assume it was dropped because Lost World didn't have it and Forces and Frontiers are built off that game for some reason.
After Shadow generations I'm just glad they didn't listen to you (no offense) and kept the boost but made it to be more like generations and built the level design around it and powered by rings and not checkpointed by wisps. Way more fun and balanced than forces or frontiers.
great video! when you pointed out the classic springs showing up in modern games it made me remember how much i hate that the dash panels are falling into the exact same camp like for some reason forces EXPLICITLY ONLY USES the classic dash panel design and then in frontiers it flip flops between them? i specifically remember a section in 1-3 (the only 2D highway level) where it starts out with a classic dash panel, switches to a modern dash panel in another section and then back to a classic one, like, why??? they dont function differently so why flip flop?
I actually like the way the spindash and boost co-exist in Frontiers, and there are trade offs for using one over the other The Spindash has a faster top speed than the Boost, making the Spindash the faster choice on the other hand, The Boost has more sticky-ness to the ground, a much tighter turn, and can stop on a dime, making it a much more controlled speed So it basically becomes a choice of Pure speed or More Control
18:34 actually I think the reason they kept them was to distinguish them from springs that you can homing attack, since you can’t homing attack the classic-style springs
I think having the boost be stamina based is the worst way to go about it. Having it be powered by rings only is so much better because you can build the level design around it and have it be more skill-based. That's why generations and unleashed are so good because you have to actively try to get the rings to boost.
@@memiix sonic's twitter made a tweet saying "everything is canon" in response to one of their collaborations and then someone took a screenshot of it isolated and everyone started taking it super seriously for some reason
I thought of the idea where the equivalent of Cyberspace in the next game have two styles. One could be Sonic Adventure style and the other the boost gameplay. Like have an in game explanation that Sonic notes that some of the zones he’s going to make boosting too risky explaining why Sonic would switch to the Adventure style. 6:58 That idea is much better though.
The rings in Forces dissappearing when they're lost isn't exactly new, the same thing happens in Unleashed, and I think it would've been better this way, since Forces is so easy.
18:54 I have a possible explanation on the Motobug thing: -Colors & Generations Motobug is meant to be a design evolution, making it fit the more modern "tech-y" style -Sonic 4 Motobugs are weird like that, because they try to add modern edge to the classic shape (being somewhat emblematic of Sonic 4's identity crisis where it puts a modern coat of paint over classic stuff) -Lost World gives the Badniks a VERY toy-like look, so gotta make the Motobug all cartoon-y then once Frontiers rolls around, they come back to the tech-y look, so the Colors & Generations look it is again (and I do like that look, it is a very solid evolution of the design) question is if Sega intends to commit to that look or make ANOTHER major change due to reinventing Badnik aesthetics again or being in a nostalgia haze
Even though they are probably less significant to the evolution of Sonic’s game design compared to the console games, I do think it’s interesting to note how the 8-bit games by Aspect handled evolving Sonic’s gameplay in tandem with the 16-bit games. The way they attempt to evolve the formula and adjust to the limitations of the Master System and Game Gear over time are interesting and smart and they feature additions to the gameplay I’d always have liked to see in mainline. Sonic Chaos was the first game where Tails could use his flight in gameplay and featured both the peelout from CD and the Spindash from Sonic 2 on Mega Drive, it feels like they wanted to make full use of Sonic’s moveset at that point in time and take advantage of ideas that may or may not become mainstay once the higher budget console games released. I especially love how Triple Trouble added to things with letting Sonic briefly curl into a ball out of springs and his fall animation while also accommodating the Game Gear’s inability to load all the rings you drop when getting hit by having only up to 5 or so fall out of Sonic, but you can only loose up to 30 from the counter. Genuinely such an amazing little change for balancing the 8-bit games’ often radical difficulty issues because you can gain enough rings that you can accumulate a sizable health bar for riskier sections of the levels, and be able to spare rings to enter the special stage boxes even having gotten hit, but when you are starting out the level or start to get low you can still end up in that state of risk that makes the system satisfying. Sonic Blast further tuned the system by having you only lose about 10 rings I think which while surely makes the game a lot easier, can’t say that it’s really a bad thing for this game’s case given everything is so chunky and hampered by screen crunch that making he game generally easy to beat and play otherwise is for the best. It also is the only game in the franchise I’ve seen where Rings act as an additional timer that drains away once your air runs out under water. It’s a really cool mechanic for handling Sonic’s whole limited air system, and another small idea I think if the mainline games had would make them feel more satisfying, even if the only level you’ll see it in is constantly snagging you by the balls through vacuum tubes. Holy Shit Blue Marine Zone.
Man, it's like each game had a different Director making decisions on how it would play instead of Sega *(Sonic Team)* being this singular entity responsible for creating every Sonic game ever and being responsible for all of the game's mechanics not carrying through with each new game.
So funny thing about the ring system in forces. You still can’t recollect rings after getting hit, but that’s only a thing in easy mode for some reason. Normal has them function like how they should
The sonic tornado move does actually make some other appearances, but the only one that comes to mind is sonic rush when he uses it as a boss exclusive move.
I feel like it's very obvious that Classic, regardless of which translation was used was supposed to be interpreted as a seperate dimension from Modern.
Ok hold up 12:00 about the drift. While I get people like it. But is it REALLY needed now a days? It was only implemented in the boost games because they couldn’t figure out how to make Sonic turn correctly while going at high speed. Now as we see in Frontiers Sonic can make tight turns now. Which of anything that’s a good thing. Sooooo, why do we need it back or want it back? What would be the point of it can Sonic can turn in high speeds now? The only reason it would if they mess up Sonic turning. But again I ask, why in the HFIL would you want them to make Sonic’s Turning crap again? You see, I don’t get this. Someone help me out here cause either I’m dumb or everyone wants Sonic to regress backwards.
I think the thing with Frontiers is that Sonic is inherently slower most of the time so he can make tighter turns easier, the drift is way more useful for a faster Sonic so if they make him faster again in the future, the drift would help a lot
@@Err0_Will Fun fact, if we go by code, Sonic in the Cyberspace stages is actually the fastest Sonic has ever been when compared to the boosting games. It's all in the camera angle.
Frontiers introducing a base sonic and cast combat system opens new avenues. Sonic’s moves like his eagle kick could make a return and chain with the homing attack if with anything. It could even cause a screen shaking explosion as super sonic as good for thought. Sonic’s kicking slashes from frontiers doesn’t have to be a cyber energy exclusive move since theoretically sonic can just kick wind that fast. And speaking of wind Sonic should definitely have more tornado moves. If they wanted to reference something they could have him move around while spinning around like in sonic underground just for the cheeky fuck of it. And that’s just sonic Also fun fact super sonic was accidentally left with the drift in frontiers despite regular sonic not having it outside of that one cyber space mission
Eagle Kick IS in Sonic Frontiers, you just to hold down when doing the basic combo. The combo finished will launch the enemy in different directions depending on what direction you are holding, if you are holding down, Sonic will kick the enemy down into the ground while doing the Eagle Kick.
6:52 I love how SEGA did the exact opposite of literally everything you said here, and the end product was amazing. No mark against your ideas, but it was very funny in retrospect.
This feels like an obscure fact because i dont see anyone talk about it, but the Boost is in Lost World. But it's exclusive to Super Sonic, which 99% of players probably didn't want to go through the hassle of unlocking. It kinda feels like Forces used that as the basis for its boost
l say Sonic and the Black Knight has the best boost because it's not dependent on rings or tricks the only thing you need is the red fairies at the beginning and as you level up Sonic you will gain the ability to naturally fill up your own soul surge meter as you run and then you can just boost from there and why hasn't Sonic games done this yet like you're running speed in a Sonic game should naturally fill up the boost meter and when it's full or you have plenty of it then you can use it to your heart's content I hope you agree with what I said like they should make a Sonic game where does spin dash or the boost can either be optional or you can use both to experiment with them because you have to stay still to use a spin dash anyway while boost just acquires you to use while you're moving
Depends on the games. The spindash in sa2 is way less fun than the boost from say, colors, because it’s not all that strong, annoying as hell to use due to having only 2 buttons, and with how linear the level design in sa2 is, there’s not a whole lot of wide spaces where the spindash can really shine like in sa1
They work wonderfully together in Sa1 with the turbo mod. Spindash for combat and variable mobility and boost for limited mobility, both for amazing fun.
I think they could both be made to work together: the Boost can be activated in a run, but you can't hairpin. The spindash can be spooled up in Zero Launch distance and could have super tight turns, but loses speed over time
Sonic X shadow Gens really shows the problem with having the moveset being different in every game. It's revealed that you have the option to use the controls Frontiers had in Generations, most notable changes being the change for the homing attack and the boost being on the shoulder button. It's good for people who don't want to hassle with changing their muscle memory when switching between two characters, but when you actually start to think... ....this doesn't work at all. Hear me out. The open zone gameplay of Frontiers never has the same focus on having tight reflexes the same way the previous boost games do, such as using the slide and quickstep. These moves happen to be the most underutalized in Frontiers. Trying to boost with r2 while using the shoulder buttons to quickstep feels awful to do. That's why it's most comfortable to use the boost and quickstep during the squid chase sequences, since you can use the joystick to quickstep instead. It's also why one of the update 2 challenges that involes the quickstep in kronos island feels wrong to do when trying to boost, because it was ONLY built for quickstepping, meaning that sonic team knew that was the case.
Getting rid of boost is probably the stupidest thing you could have ever said, spin dash and boost can't be used in tandem but tbf boost is better in literally every way, with spin dash you've got spindash and that's basically it. With boost you got drift, and arial boost. While i like the amount of freedom you get with spindash jump it's extreamly broken and you can just skip levels, with boost as the base mechanic you can't break the game, and thanks to unleash and generations diverging routs are possible and more quick time then previous games
8:00 the double jump was originally from Sonic 3 but it was locked behind the electric shield. Then it was part of his base moves in Sonic R and, to my knowledge, didn’t show back up until Colors
The Slide is the most forgotten move. Considering how the roll could accomplish the same effect. It also shows how it is basically never used in Forces and thanks to being in the future I know that the Slide is only used two times in Shadow Gens. I think the game that used the Slide most was Sonic Unleashed, (HD) the slide is meant to be a momentary reaction check, and Unleashed being the most difficult and the most demanding Boost game makes sense.
I get the dislike of being able to break the level design. But i personaly like it. It opened up alot of creativity, and i loved that. It just made everything feel so natural and if you want to play the level normaly.....then do it. Idk thats just me. I like more open levels which is why i like adventure 1 more then 2. While you still could be creative it felt much more difficult and it ruined a bit of the fun
I do think rocket excell is better than spindash. Defending heroes segment: sonic heroes has the best main level segment. No city escape is gonna beat that line up
12:01 I honestly don't understand why they did this, because in the Wii version of Unleashed, you 100% could drift without any context sensitive inputs. You could do it whenever you want if you ran fast enough.
You couldn't play that game with the Wii Remote only though, Unleashed needs the nunchuk, Colors doesn't. Really they shouldn't have done that anyway, 3D games with just a dpad feel bad.
Warning the comment a bit long so be aware. You know I got a couple ideas for gameplay styles that Sonic could go with. There’s not perfect but they’re basically taking a mix of pass styles and just combining them. The first style: You know I just thought of a cool idea. What if you take all three gameplay styles of SA2 and instead of separate them fr different characters. You mixed them all into one? Now what do I mean by this? I mean imagine the primary gameplay is of course get to the Goal Ring. But you also got the mechanics of Mech shooting and the Treasure Radar. Take for example you play as Sonic with all his SA2 moveset/abilities and the main mission is to get to through the level to the Goal Ring. But Sonic also has some projectile attacks that can be used similarly to Mech gameplay. Either simply pressing the projectile button or holding down the projectile button to begin locking on to multiple enemies. Releasing said button to allow Sonic to lunch a volley of ranged attacks. Being either Sonic Booms, Homing Shots, or Cross Slashes. Also has you run through the stage your Radar will begin beeping, signaling that you are close to an important hidden treasure, or collectible that is needed to complete the stage. Or get an even more higher final score. Now I want y’all to take this style…apply it to Sonic. And than apply to other playable characters as well. Such as Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Rouge, and Shadow etc. Of course there have to be some differences/uniqueness of characters. Specifically only in signature abilities such Tails’s flying, Amy’s hammer, and you get the idea. Then just make sure the stages are fitting for all characters. You CAN still do unique levels for certain characters just like in Mania if you pick knuckles, while he still share levels with Sonic. He also got his own levels and bosses made for him that only he can play. Now that’s a game idea wouldn’t you say. The second style: So for now let’s just start with some universal mechanics for all characters. I’ll say everyone should be able to do the following. Run, roll, jump, double jump, air dash, wall run, wall jump, grind on rails, homing attack and have a mini boost that’s doesn’t make them completely invulnerable. Now of course there will be some special movement options only for certain characters. Like Sonic light speed dash, drop dash. Tails flying ability. Knuckles gliding and climbing. Hmmm, I wonder if the Cy-loop could be implemented in this? But along with that every character should have three attack abilities. A light attack. A heavy attack. Plus a dash attack when charging at enemies. You press the light attack repeatedly on the ground. You get a basic combo. If you press the light attack in the air, you get a unique air combo. Same thing applies to the heavy attacks. You pressed it on a ground, a heavy attack comes out. You press it in the air you get an big heavy attack in the air. Most of the time slamming you down to the ground and causing AOE damage. Of course rather these are melee attacks, ranged attacks or a combination of both. Depends on the character you choose. Got to add in a dodge button and the ability to parry attacks. Also the Homing attack. Make that a universal mechanic. Say for example the Super dash from Dragon Ball FighterZ. It’s something that can either oneshot a weak enemy or close the distance to start a combo on a stronger enemy. Maybe make it invulnerable to weak/small projectiles. But that just a thought. Think a mixed of Sonic Frontiers, the Adventure games, and the Boost games. Sonic and friends all had same classic 3D moves for movement Such as run, jump, double jump, roll, air dash, grind, boost, and homing attack. You also got a health meter and an energy meter. Plus Ring count. To gain the most speed you need to used a combination of not just the boost but also rolling down slopes. Plus any type of spindash if that character has it. More speed also equal more damage you can do with a dash attack. When you run into an enemy and send them flying. But every character also comes with light/basic attacks and heavy attacks. You press the light attack repeatedly on the ground, you get a basic combo. But you also got an attack combo in the air as well if you jump and press the same button. Heavy attacks are the same way. You get one on the ground and so and different one in the air. The most common type is this would be a plunge or driving attack with an AOE. Now rather these are melee , range, or a combination of both type of attacks would be dependent on the character. Every character also has a sort of dash attack if you are running or boosting into an enemy. As mentioned before every character had an homing attack. Think as this as the super dash from DBFighterZ. You can also use it to chase down any enemies you sent flying back to continue the assault. Make it be invulnerable to small projectiles. Small/weak projectiles only. Some characters might have different modification or versions of this. Every character has a dodge to you know, dodge incoming attacks. As well you can parry enemies attacks. Next to that everyone would have 4 unique skills that uses an energy meter and 1 ultimate. If just 4 not enough as you play through the game, unlocking more of the story, and doing extra missions. You unlock additional skills and sometimes different ultimates. But you can only equipped 4 at a time you would need to go into the customize screen and switch out what you want to have before starting a stage. And boom. That’s a Sonic game. Pack it all up and watch the player base grow. I think I might repeated some stuff by accident. But oh well.
8:15 honestly, i think it all comes down to visual presentation on that front: Sonic is no stranger to suddenly changing his momentum midair with a stomp, homing attack, or the like, so it's more about how to make that double jump look really cool Maybe they could partially bring back the Instashield from Sonic 3 and incorporate that into his Double Jump. Or, as heretical as this could sound, make it so his first, grounded jump doesnt have him curl up right away, OR the first jump uses the Sonic Adventure 2 style jump animation, only getting the full "blur" for that second jump Also, Heroes had a lot of fun "hidden" move behaviors to add some personality: Espio's triangle jump had no time limit, so he could cling to the wall as long as he wants. Amy could hold down Jump to use Propeller Hammer to fly a short distance. And of course, the Team Blasts all had secondary bonuses, with Sonic Overdrive's being that Sonic could follow up _immediately_ with a Lightspeed attack If they go for the multiple playable character approaches again, they could have their cake and eat it too: imagine a game with a playable Metal Sonic, who plays like Unleashed Sonic but with rings being consumed for boosting akin to F-Zero GX, while Sobic goes for a more SA2 or Frontiers feeling kit.
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The springs actually do have different functionality. You cannot use the homing attack on the classic springs. And... that's it. But there is a difference!
How is that supposed to make sense it would have been useful if you can use the homing attack on those springs and also Sonic feels slow in cyberspace even when I use the boost he doesn't even feel fast and cyberspace to me are nothing more than filler levels because the only thing you get from them are just portal keys and due to the fact that's they reuse the same designs from Green Hill chemical plant and even sky century why don't they give us the level designs from the adventure games or the storybook games or unleashed or even colors of all people don't you agree that we are tired of the same levels like Green Hill like chemical plant and sky sanctuary over and over again if anything those levels from those previous games never even got in Sonic frontiers or even a motorized design of them
@@JustinJulian-00 First, I want to introduce you to this thing called "Punctuation".
Sebond, the Classic Springs are not meant to be useful. They are just meant to be another aspect of the level to keep in mind.
Because if you can use the homing attack on them then they are no different from the Modern Spring. So at that point why even have them?
Everything else you mentioned is an entirely different conversation.
@@Magnet_Chaos Second, I want to introduce you to this thing called "Autocorrect." (I'm joking here, just poking for fun, not actually serious.)
@@JustinJulian-00The reason why it's always those stages is mostly because they get to reuse assets from Generations and maybe Unleashed. Generations already has some Unleashed assets I believe, like Skyscraper Scamper billboards in Speed Highway, City Escape, and Perfect Chaos.
I see. So basically they're there to keep you on your toes, like the horizontal spring pole things introduced in Sonic Advance (I think, might be in a few classic levels) that got used in Dimps games untill being brought into basically all the boost games. They serve almost the purpose as springs but they function just different enough to make you pay attention.
Sonic's forgotten ability: ROLLING.
I think the last mainline game to have it was sonic 3&k what a joke.
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Actually, the advance and rush games were the last games that used it.
@@hendester05actually it was sonic superstars
@@NoNamex1412superstars isnt mainline
It’s a spin-off using classic sonic
He can’t even compete in the Olympics anymore due to this amnesia🤦🏾♂️
Nah. Just NFTs.
@@fr0stdr4ke95 Cool! Sonic'll make an actual profit!
He won't be able to compete at all, none of them will 😭
bro is ash ketchum
The Olympic games series got canceled I think.
Fun fact: the spin dash is actually in the PS2/Wii version of Unleashed. If you press the boost button right when GO appears you'll spin dash. Get the timing perfect and you'll also fill up a boost bar for free
Yeah I have done that a few times playing this version of Sonic unleashed and you can do that while you're on dash panels as well
Sonic will also spin if he hits a dash panel while boosting. No gameplay effect, just visual+sound.
It's so satisfying.
only minorly related but god drifting looked cool in unleashed
I literally discovered that as a 12 year old one day. I thought I was a genius for that
It will never not piss me off that Sonic doesn’t have the drift in Cyberspace since the left shoulder button (which is used for the Sonic Boom attack in the overworld) doesn’t do anything.
It's literally the literal move he needs because he can barely turn for shit on turns
Yeah man Sonic can't even drift in cyberspace like you wanted to be because sonic just goes against the wall if you were trying to turn left or right for example you can only do that in certain areas of cyberspace that should have been one of the main movesets for Sonic so I can drift and tight corners much easier while maintaining my speed
Not until you unlock the Spin Dash, but, yeah.
You can slide
@@sonicdml4175 I know I can slide I just can't drift in certain areas of cyberspace and drifting is all about turning in sharp corners and drifting and sliding is not the same thing
Watching this video made me realize how inconsistent this franchise’s game design is and how many moves it doesn’t have anymore, and also how the rules break even with the very same moveset
Yeah same, I didn’t realise it at first
You just realized Sonic is rough?
Well… at least it keep the series from getting stale.
It still pisses me off that parkour has practically been left to rot in Lost World since that's actually a cool mechanic that could have been explored more if they bothered fleshing it out (no I don't count Frontiers, since they only cover certain colored walls.)
I'll never forgive Sonic Team for that
Classic being from a different dimension wouldn’t have been lame if they did what I THOUGHT they were doing with that plot.
The phantom Ruby was already doing some weird dimension-y stuff in mania. I was confident the villains Infinte was using were plucked from timelines that they had been victorious in.
A chaos that had wiped out all life, a shadow that had followed through with his plans, a zavok that… lost hexed all over the place? Idk I never played lost world.
Instead, they’re just… projections? Copies? They’re lame. The phantom Ruby was undermined and a great potential story arc for all four of those villains was missed.
Just IMAGINE shadow talking to a past self that didn’t realise Maria’s true last wish…
That's an awful idea. If there are alternate timelines where other outcomes happened, then the events of each game become meaningless. It's the ultimate tension killer. Sonic's victory in any given game means nothing is there's infinite timelines where he lost and everyone died, and vice versa. It's impossible to introduce a multiverse into a series without erasing all meaning from any and all plots.
lost hexed all over the place 😭
@@HOTD108_I disagree, it can be done extremely well. Just look at the Spider-Verse movies
@@HOTD108_It's basically needing a "main timeline" that stays focused on. With how Sonic goes, the idea'd only be in Forces. Unless manipulated, the other timelines wouldn't matter... Just do it 'cuz it's cool this one time, then move on as Sonic tends to do
Multiverse stories only work when there's a set number of them and each universe is different from one another (including characters)
can't wait for sonic to use the infinate jumping mini sonic crystal in sonic movie 3
Purple Gem
“Sonic prime is canon fat fucking chance” is so real
When you said "Sonic Moves" I thought you were talking about his dance numbers in those commercials from the 2000s
And that's not even mentioning Shadow
Sonic prime can NOT be canon bruh what😭
When everything is Canon nothing is
@@Nebnubi mean basically nothing happened in the end right?
Pretty sure they confirmed it was canon
They said that the show was made to be canon but that after production started the writers of the show at Netflix disregarded pre existing canon and did whatever they wanted
I mean it is but Season 3 ending pretty much just makes all of what actually happens in the show useless soo
Idk even
Hot Take: I liked the parkour in Lost World. It was wonky though.
It was a neat idea that should have been properly expanded upon in a game like Fontiers
Lost World had a lot of cool ideas that I felt like could've worked had Sonic Team actually STUCK with the gameplay they were going for and fleshed it out going forward. Instead they just cowarded out and made Forces, a game specifically created to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.
This is just an opinion that everyone has right to have
@@felixdaniels37 I'd say Lost World's control scheme was more of an attempt to appeal to a wider audience. The Boost Formula is controversial even among Sonic fans. To me it seemes like Lost World spooked them, they tried to go back to the Boost Formula that made Generations and Colors so beloved and then fumbled it a bunch since Forces had a very short dev cycle, which is weird because preproduction started a long time before production proper.
The boost formula is actually one of the best developed ones now, starting with Rush and Rush Adventure, including Unleashed, Colors, Generations, Forces, Frontiers and now ending on Shadow Generations.
@@mdstevens0612 Honestly, in my personal opinion. Sonic has just sprawled out into too many sub genres, and it just causes nobody getting what they want. Sonic adventure, and almost 06. Had a focus on momentum platforming, and spin playstyles. (I'm distinctly saying spin. instead of spin off. Knuckles, rouge and sa1 tails. All control the same, but what actions they can do are a bit. Which applied to 06. ) While boost games have tend to have spin off playstyles. And a focus on reaction time. It's no longer "I wonder if I can do this, it looks like I could cheese it with momentum" on first level sight read. It's until after you played the level and get a loose idea for the layout. For spino off styles that be like classic sonic, werehog, and avatar to some extent. Where it stops feeling like "a sonic game" and something else. Which in itself isn't inherently bad. But it causes a bunch of conflict. Since we now have effectively
classic, adventure (focus on upgrades, and momentum knowledge), boost (quick reaction time, and memory of the level), lost world(Multi homing attack, higher focus on platforming), open/frontier (An attempt at a jack of all trades)
14:55 oh my god…. I never realised LS Mark and SplashDash were the same person. I may be stupid
I thought that was the case, but couldn't be sure until I found your comment. Thanks.
Nah they're just really good friends 😛
I've never watched an LSMark video so I was confused as to why he kept getting recommended to me. Now I know it's because him and Splash Dash are the same person lol.
Dude it was the first time i saw a video from this channel and all the time i was thinking ''man this dude sounds SO MUCH like mark''
At least all of us can agree that Sonic’s moves change almost every week.
Funnily enough, Frontiers technically goes back to the way the boost gauge fills up in Unleashed in Generations as well because collecting rings while boosting (when you don't have an unlimited boost that is) will fill your gauge back up slowly, so collecting rings while boosting is useful in Cyber Space.
Just a fin tidbit. They're going back to how it works in Unleashed and Generations in Shadow Generations, so that's fun. They better have the wall jump in there too.
In Gens it also filled up by defeating enemies, which I don't think it does in Frontiers or Shadow Gens
Sonic's moveset peaked with SA2, both in 2D and 3D (Advance 2 and Adventure 2)
this guy gets it.
Lol what a coincidence 😂
I'd give it to Mania for 2D and Adventure 1 for 3D.
it peaked as the amount of things you can do but sa1 does less things but better, movesetwise
i liked rush, rush adventure and unwiished's playsytle better
To quote Shadow's song Never Turn Back:
"I take one step forward and two steps back,"
Pretty much that with different choices of gameplay.
In Sonic Lost World there's forgotten move, When Sonic's uncurling from the Spindash and spinning without the Ball Graphic, just hold down the Spindash botton again you literally do this by spinning in the Water without fall it
I don’t know why but I’ve always had a love for the Super Peel Out. I think it’s one of the best things to be introduced to a Sonic game but it needs to be in more modern titles!
What good super peel out would do sure you will be super fast when you use it but your left open to enemy attacks I mean it can be optional to put the move in there but it's not the most beneficial move to have because while you spin dash you are more protected from damage from the enemies
I don't see apoint for it Spindash does the same thing.. and kills enemies in your way.
@@JustinJulian-00 You can roll immediately after launching from a Peel-Out making you just as protected as with the Spindash but with the Peel-Out's speed, if anything once you start doing that trick the Peel-Out makes the Spindash less useful, other than you still being vulnerable while charging in place which is hardly an issue.
@legoboy7107 Actually, that makes the Super Peel Out worse since you need an additional input to make it more effective. The Spindash gives you speed and protection upon being used. Super Peel Out requires you to quickly press down right after using the move if there is enemies in your way. At this point, it's only main unique trait was the running animation which as of Superstars has become Classic Sonic's full speed running animation.
@@mikeanthony3300 I mean, I don't exactly find pressing down on a dpad to be a particularly difficult challenge to be honest, that seems entirely negligible and also doesn't really impact which move is better in terms of abilities and usefulness in-game, that's an external factor.
I like the way they handled Boost and Spindash in Frontiers. Boost to go fast yet glued to the ground and Spindash to go fast and basically enable physics. I like those options.
@@GUNS_jk just don't use it in cyberspace because otherwise you're not going to get any faster after you use it while you are faster on the islands as long as you have all of your rings
Super peelout and insta-sheild: Am I a joke to you?
I think it is interesting how in any media besides games, his boost is completely nonexistent. I find that so weird considering how powerful of an ability that is.
It sort of is present- the boost is just a game mechanic integration of his ability to sprint/dash very fast.
@@TheSultan1470 except it is done in such a way that you can directly run into enemies to defeat them with this, and you can change direction in the air or boost forward even more with it.
I think it is neat.
@11:40-.-Don't worry, the final Avatar solo level is The only level where you can wall jump. It can't be done in any other level, which is why mark forgot about it. And technically, Sonic never did the wall jump, so he is not wrong.
At this point. Sonic has brought back the old games so much at this point that it isn’t even nostalgic for old players anymore. Sega is the opposite of “let the past be the past”
Fun Fact! In frontiers, Sonic was actually meant to have the drift and it was removed last minute, BUT THEY SOMEHOW LEFT IT FOR SUPER SONIC. You can literally do it while fighting Giganto in the vanilla game, it's insane
Amy also has the classic jump sound in SA2/SA2 Battle. I liked when the character jump sound effects were so consistent from SA2-ShadowtH
Mannn.... FINALY someone talks about it. I hate how every thing is inconsistant in this franchise. And also the button layout. How the f they can't make a consistant button layout?
Remember the sweep kick in sonic unleashed? That was straight up pointless and its only use was for destroying furniture/boxes in the hubworld.
Also unleashed had the “tap” jump, where if you tap the jump button sonic will do a small jump while keeping your speed. I THINK generations had it too but they got rid of it in future games.
And the light dash. Before frontiers it was basically gone since like unleashed. Colors didn’t have it besides using the green wisp, and generations only had the light dash with some specific trails of rings. I don’t even remember if forces had it but frontiers finally brought it back to normal.
The bounce bracelet. SA2 had it, 06 had it, and then frontiers kinda brought it back albeit it’s pretty gimped. No idea why those 3 games have it and no others.
What about the magic hands in SA2? That serves absolutely no purpose? Dude I can go on and on and on.
Colors and Generations have the short hop as well, I assume it was dropped because Lost World didn't have it and Forces and Frontiers are built off that game for some reason.
“Wake up, babe. Splash Dash just uploaded a new video.”
After Shadow generations I'm just glad they didn't listen to you (no offense) and kept the boost but made it to be more like generations and built the level design around it and powered by rings and not checkpointed by wisps.
Way more fun and balanced than forces or frontiers.
you can't pick up your rings in unleashed btw. You just don't loose all your rings
9:22 its weird seeing cinematic 120fps of unleashed gamesplay and sudden jump into 5 fps
great video! when you pointed out the classic springs showing up in modern games it made me remember how much i hate that the dash panels are falling into the exact same camp
like for some reason forces EXPLICITLY ONLY USES the classic dash panel design and then in frontiers it flip flops between them? i specifically remember a section in 1-3 (the only 2D highway level) where it starts out with a classic dash panel, switches to a modern dash panel in another section and then back to a classic one, like, why??? they dont function differently so why flip flop?
I actually like the way the spindash and boost co-exist in Frontiers, and there are trade offs for using one over the other
The Spindash has a faster top speed than the Boost, making the Spindash the faster choice
on the other hand, The Boost has more sticky-ness to the ground, a much tighter turn, and can stop on a dime, making it a much more controlled speed
So it basically becomes a choice of Pure speed or More Control
1:07 the actual cutscene has borders covering that spot which is why it pops out lmao
18:34 actually I think the reason they kept them was to distinguish them from springs that you can homing attack, since you can’t homing attack the classic-style springs
Insta shield is so forgotten that it is noot even mentioned
It's a shame: imagine if it worked like a melee air dodge, granted split second invulnerability and some momentum along with its hitbox expansion
I think having the boost be stamina based is the worst way to go about it.
Having it be powered by rings only is so much better because you can build the level design around it and have it be more skill-based.
That's why generations and unleashed are so good because you have to actively try to get the rings to boost.
Dang I was just watching "your friend" LS Mark's video of 4.5 hours of sonic, tell him to add this
This has also to do with the fact they change engines every few games. Some things don't work in specific games so they just don't have them
The "everything is canon" thing to my knowledge was nothing more than a joke in response to some poyo poyo pop collaboration
I think they meant how in sonic frontiers they name drop a shit ton of things that appeared in past sonic games
@@memiix sonic's twitter made a tweet saying "everything is canon" in response to one of their collaborations and then someone took a screenshot of it isolated and everyone started taking it super seriously for some reason
@@derekg5006 i see
@@memiix No, it was a joke. They were only bringing up events that everybody knew were canon.
@@_veloxity91 damn i never knew, its not like someone told me that already
Too be fair with the classic springs in frontiers, they have gameplay mechanics, you can’t homing attacks the classic ones
I thought of the idea where the equivalent of Cyberspace in the next game have two styles. One could be Sonic Adventure style and the other the boost gameplay. Like have an in game explanation that Sonic notes that some of the zones he’s going to make boosting too risky explaining why Sonic would switch to the Adventure style.
6:58 That idea is much better though.
I liked how they used the spindash to drift in gens it was really fun to use
Lost World's motobug is such a cutie patootie
you are so good at making sure to be vague with these topics when you tease em, gosh
The rings in Forces dissappearing when they're lost isn't exactly new, the same thing happens in Unleashed, and I think it would've been better this way, since Forces is so easy.
I appreciate the "please clap," as I reference it quite often.
18:54 I have a possible explanation on the Motobug thing:
-Colors & Generations Motobug is meant to be a design evolution, making it fit the more modern "tech-y" style
-Sonic 4 Motobugs are weird like that, because they try to add modern edge to the classic shape (being somewhat emblematic of Sonic 4's identity crisis where it puts a modern coat of paint over classic stuff)
-Lost World gives the Badniks a VERY toy-like look, so gotta make the Motobug all cartoon-y
then once Frontiers rolls around, they come back to the tech-y look, so the Colors & Generations look it is again (and I do like that look, it is a very solid evolution of the design)
question is if Sega intends to commit to that look or make ANOTHER major change due to reinventing Badnik aesthetics again or being in a nostalgia haze
I think the reason they used the Generations Motobug was because most of Cyberspace was just re-used Generations assets.
@@Dante... that too
Even though they are probably less significant to the evolution of Sonic’s game design compared to the console games, I do think it’s interesting to note how the 8-bit games by Aspect handled evolving Sonic’s gameplay in tandem with the 16-bit games. The way they attempt to evolve the formula and adjust to the limitations of the Master System and Game Gear over time are interesting and smart and they feature additions to the gameplay I’d always have liked to see in mainline. Sonic Chaos was the first game where Tails could use his flight in gameplay and featured both the peelout from CD and the Spindash from Sonic 2 on Mega Drive, it feels like they wanted to make full use of Sonic’s moveset at that point in time and take advantage of ideas that may or may not become mainstay once the higher budget console games released.
I especially love how Triple Trouble added to things with letting Sonic briefly curl into a ball out of springs and his fall animation while also accommodating the Game Gear’s inability to load all the rings you drop when getting hit by having only up to 5 or so fall out of Sonic, but you can only loose up to 30 from the counter. Genuinely such an amazing little change for balancing the 8-bit games’ often radical difficulty issues because you can gain enough rings that you can accumulate a sizable health bar for riskier sections of the levels, and be able to spare rings to enter the special stage boxes even having gotten hit, but when you are starting out the level or start to get low you can still end up in that state of risk that makes the system satisfying.
Sonic Blast further tuned the system by having you only lose about 10 rings I think which while surely makes the game a lot easier, can’t say that it’s really a bad thing for this game’s case given everything is so chunky and hampered by screen crunch that making he game generally easy to beat and play otherwise is for the best. It also is the only game in the franchise I’ve seen where Rings act as an additional timer that drains away once your air runs out under water. It’s a really cool mechanic for handling Sonic’s whole limited air system, and another small idea I think if the mainline games had would make them feel more satisfying, even if the only level you’ll see it in is constantly snagging you by the balls through vacuum tubes. Holy Shit Blue Marine Zone.
3:20 it’s funny that I can immediately tell this gameplay is from project-06 and isnt from a console port
11:38 the wall jump is in the game but the avatar is the only one that can use it (the character in that clip)
Man, it's like each game had a different Director making decisions on how it would play instead of Sega *(Sonic Team)* being this singular entity responsible for creating every Sonic game ever and being responsible for all of the game's mechanics not carrying through with each new game.
I really hope Shadow’s Story in Generations will have a dark tone with deep writing. I mean if Shadow is copying King Venom, she definitely should
1:23 maybe it’s another dimension
The next character to be in sonic series should be rankles.
I’ve always preferred the bounce to the stomp tbh. I’d love to see it make a return someday
So funny thing about the ring system in forces. You still can’t recollect rings after getting hit, but that’s only a thing in easy mode for some reason. Normal has them function like how they should
BRO- I JUST WANT THE LIGHTSPEED ATTACK BACK. PLEASE, I WANT THAT NOSTALGIC "Ready?" SPOKEN AGAIN😭😭😭
Ill always love how he puts his logo over his "friends face"😂
Had to drop a like for "please clap." Best clip
The irony while Mario having no canon.
*and no inherent focus on story.
@@Monhamd1000 because gameplay is the only thing that matters in Mario than the story itself
@@JustinJulian-00true, Mario doesn’t really need a strong compelling reason to shout wahoo and stomp on mushrooms and turtles
Mario doesn't really TRY to have a canon, so it works out
Actually, Sonic could double jump in Sonic R, so neither the presenter nor the editor got it right.
14:54 Just because he likes to take credit for your work, it doesn't mean you should stoop to his level and take credit for his comments.
"work"
They better bring back shadows stupid flip kick thing from 06 in Shadow Generations, or me and John Sega are gonna have a few words
When you really think about it magic hands is one of Sonic’s most powerful abilities.
The sonic tornado move does actually make some other appearances, but the only one that comes to mind is sonic rush when he uses it as a boss exclusive move.
0:50 Mar- I mean Splash Dash, it was a mistranslation the whole time
I feel like it's very obvious that Classic, regardless of which translation was used was supposed to be interpreted as a seperate dimension from Modern.
Ok hold up 12:00 about the drift. While I get people like it. But is it REALLY needed now a days? It was only implemented in the boost games because they couldn’t figure out how to make Sonic turn correctly while going at high speed. Now as we see in Frontiers Sonic can make tight turns now. Which of anything that’s a good thing. Sooooo, why do we need it back or want it back? What would be the point of it can Sonic can turn in high speeds now? The only reason it would if they mess up Sonic turning. But again I ask, why in the HFIL would you want them to make Sonic’s Turning crap again? You see, I don’t get this. Someone help me out here cause either I’m dumb or everyone wants Sonic to regress backwards.
I think the thing with Frontiers is that Sonic is inherently slower most of the time so he can make tighter turns easier, the drift is way more useful for a faster Sonic so if they make him faster again in the future, the drift would help a lot
@@Err0_Will
Fun fact, if we go by code, Sonic in the Cyberspace stages is actually the fastest Sonic has ever been when compared to the boosting games.
It's all in the camera angle.
Frontiers introducing a base sonic and cast combat system opens new avenues. Sonic’s moves like his eagle kick could make a return and chain with the homing attack if with anything. It could even cause a screen shaking explosion as super sonic as good for thought. Sonic’s kicking slashes from frontiers doesn’t have to be a cyber energy exclusive move since theoretically sonic can just kick wind that fast. And speaking of wind Sonic should definitely have more tornado moves. If they wanted to reference something they could have him move around while spinning around like in sonic underground just for the cheeky fuck of it.
And that’s just sonic
Also fun fact super sonic was accidentally left with the drift in frontiers despite regular sonic not having it outside of that one cyber space mission
Eagle Kick IS in Sonic Frontiers, you just to hold down when doing the basic combo. The combo finished will launch the enemy in different directions depending on what direction you are holding, if you are holding down, Sonic will kick the enemy down into the ground while doing the Eagle Kick.
1:13 why sonic got the aroace shoes
reppin his pride. he's go no interest in love or sex. he's got fast
@@jennyholiday88 sonic is too cool for sex because sex is not cool
6:52 I love how SEGA did the exact opposite of literally everything you said here, and the end product was amazing. No mark against your ideas, but it was very funny in retrospect.
18:57 I do like how classic springs are not able to be homing attacked in Frontiers
9:05
i grew up with 3ds lost world and in that game it is so useful i love it
This feels like an obscure fact because i dont see anyone talk about it, but the Boost is in Lost World. But it's exclusive to Super Sonic, which 99% of players probably didn't want to go through the hassle of unlocking.
It kinda feels like Forces used that as the basis for its boost
Did you need to get all of the Red Star Rings to unlock him?
I should clarify that I have never played this game
screw spindash. bring back the roll from sonic 1.
let sonic crouch at any time to build up speed on slopes, Monkeyball style
I miss Insta-Shield ngl
You're just like me fr fr
Small correction: The double jump was actually introduced in Sonic R.
"The Most forgotten Sonic move is the SpinDash."
*The SpinAttack : ........*
Spindash >>> Boost
They aren't even the same tool
l say Sonic and the Black Knight has the best boost because it's not dependent on rings or tricks the only thing you need is the red fairies at the beginning and as you level up Sonic you will gain the ability to naturally fill up your own soul surge meter as you run and then you can just boost from there and why hasn't Sonic games done this yet like you're running speed in a Sonic game should naturally fill up the boost meter and when it's full or you have plenty of it then you can use it to your heart's content I hope you agree with what I said like they should make a Sonic game where does spin dash or the boost can either be optional or you can use both to experiment with them because you have to stay still to use a spin dash anyway while boost just acquires you to use while you're moving
Depends on the games. The spindash in sa2 is way less fun than the boost from say, colors, because it’s not all that strong, annoying as hell to use due to having only 2 buttons, and with how linear the level design in sa2 is, there’s not a whole lot of wide spaces where the spindash can really shine like in sa1
They work wonderfully together in Sa1 with the turbo mod. Spindash for combat and variable mobility and boost for limited mobility, both for amazing fun.
I think they could both be made to work together: the Boost can be activated in a run, but you can't hairpin. The spindash can be spooled up in Zero Launch distance and could have super tight turns, but loses speed over time
Can't wait for the next Tails solo game where he can't fly but he can bounce on a spring
14:55 Splash dash confirmed as Ls Mark!?
Splash dash is uploading tomorrow. MARK MY WORDS
Sonic X shadow Gens really shows the problem with having the moveset being different in every game.
It's revealed that you have the option to use the controls Frontiers had in Generations, most notable changes being the change for the homing attack and the boost being on the shoulder button.
It's good for people who don't want to hassle with changing their muscle memory when switching between two characters, but when you actually start to think...
....this doesn't work at all. Hear me out.
The open zone gameplay of Frontiers never has the same focus on having tight reflexes the same way the previous boost games do, such as using the slide and quickstep. These moves happen to be the most underutalized in Frontiers.
Trying to boost with r2 while using the shoulder buttons to quickstep feels awful to do. That's why it's most comfortable to use the boost and quickstep during the squid chase sequences, since you can use the joystick to quickstep instead.
It's also why one of the update 2 challenges that involes the quickstep in kronos island feels wrong to do when trying to boost, because it was ONLY built for quickstepping, meaning that sonic team knew that was the case.
Getting rid of boost is probably the stupidest thing you could have ever said, spin dash and boost can't be used in tandem but tbf boost is better in literally every way, with spin dash you've got spindash and that's basically it. With boost you got drift, and arial boost.
While i like the amount of freedom you get with spindash jump it's extreamly broken and you can just skip levels, with boost as the base mechanic you can't break the game, and thanks to unleash and generations diverging routs are possible and more quick time then previous games
8:00 the double jump was originally from Sonic 3 but it was locked behind the electric shield. Then it was part of his base moves in Sonic R and, to my knowledge, didn’t show back up until Colors
Bro is gonna igr9ne one of the more consistent things in sonic, the homing attack
"Crash recently got a double jump, which seems like it's here to stay."
This is assuming, of course, that they make another Crash game.
14:55 Hold on, I've been watching your second account all along?
No honestly. I never knew this was ls mark
Preeetty sure it's a joke based on the fact people say they sound similar.
Why is the thumbnail sometimes a picture of the spindash and the boost and other times a picture of Lost World's wall running
The Slide is the most forgotten move.
Considering how the roll could accomplish the same effect.
It also shows how it is basically never used in Forces and thanks to being in the future I know that the Slide is only used two times in Shadow Gens.
I think the game that used the Slide most was Sonic Unleashed, (HD) the slide is meant to be a momentary reaction check, and Unleashed being the most difficult and the most demanding Boost game makes sense.
I get the dislike of being able to break the level design. But i personaly like it. It opened up alot of creativity, and i loved that. It just made everything feel so natural and if you want to play the level normaly.....then do it. Idk thats just me. I like more open levels which is why i like adventure 1 more then 2. While you still could be creative it felt much more difficult and it ruined a bit of the fun
11:40 As far as I'm aware you just found the one and only time that you cant reasonably wall-jump in any level in the entire game.
Sonic games need an consistent core gameplay along with and GOOD LEVEL DESIGN!!
I do think rocket excell is better than spindash.
Defending heroes segment: sonic heroes has the best main level segment. No city escape is gonna beat that line up
12:01 I honestly don't understand why they did this, because in the Wii version of Unleashed, you 100% could drift without any context sensitive inputs. You could do it whenever you want if you ran fast enough.
You couldn't play that game with the Wii Remote only though, Unleashed needs the nunchuk, Colors doesn't.
Really they shouldn't have done that anyway, 3D games with just a dpad feel bad.
Warning the comment a bit long so be aware. You know I got a couple ideas for gameplay styles that Sonic could go with. There’s not perfect but they’re basically taking a mix of pass styles and just combining them.
The first style: You know I just thought of a cool idea. What if you take all three gameplay styles of SA2 and instead of separate them fr different characters. You mixed them all into one? Now what do I mean by this? I mean imagine the primary gameplay is of course get to the Goal Ring. But you also got the mechanics of Mech shooting and the Treasure Radar. Take for example you play as Sonic with all his SA2 moveset/abilities and the main mission is to get to through the level to the Goal Ring. But Sonic also has some projectile attacks that can be used similarly to Mech gameplay. Either simply pressing the projectile button or holding down the projectile button to begin locking on to multiple enemies. Releasing said button to allow Sonic to lunch a volley of ranged attacks. Being either Sonic Booms, Homing Shots, or Cross Slashes. Also has you run through the stage your Radar will begin beeping, signaling that you are close to an important hidden treasure, or collectible that is needed to complete the stage. Or get an even more higher final score.
Now I want y’all to take this style…apply it to Sonic. And than apply to other playable characters as well. Such as Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Cream, Rouge, and Shadow etc. Of course there have to be some differences/uniqueness of characters. Specifically only in signature abilities such Tails’s flying, Amy’s hammer, and you get the idea. Then just make sure the stages are fitting for all characters. You CAN still do unique levels for certain characters just like in Mania if you pick knuckles, while he still share levels with Sonic. He also got his own levels and bosses made for him that only he can play. Now that’s a game idea wouldn’t you say.
The second style:
So for now let’s just start with some universal mechanics for all characters. I’ll say everyone should be able to do the following. Run, roll, jump, double jump, air dash, wall run, wall jump, grind on rails, homing attack and have a mini boost that’s doesn’t make them completely invulnerable. Now of course there will be some special movement options only for certain characters. Like Sonic light speed dash, drop dash. Tails flying ability. Knuckles gliding and climbing. Hmmm, I wonder if the Cy-loop could be implemented in this?
But along with that every character should have three attack abilities. A light attack. A heavy attack. Plus a dash attack when charging at enemies. You press the light attack repeatedly on the ground. You get a basic combo. If you press the light attack in the air, you get a unique air combo. Same thing applies to the heavy attacks. You pressed it on a ground, a heavy attack comes out. You press it in the air you get an big heavy attack in the air. Most of the time slamming you down to the ground and causing AOE damage. Of course rather these are melee attacks, ranged attacks or a combination of both. Depends on the character you choose. Got to add in a dodge button and the ability to parry attacks. Also the Homing attack. Make that a universal mechanic. Say for example the Super dash from Dragon Ball FighterZ. It’s something that can either oneshot a weak enemy or close the distance to start a combo on a stronger enemy. Maybe make it invulnerable to weak/small projectiles. But that just a thought.
Think a mixed of Sonic Frontiers, the Adventure games, and the Boost games. Sonic and friends all had same classic 3D moves for movement Such as run, jump, double jump, roll, air dash, grind, boost, and homing attack. You also got a health meter and an energy meter. Plus Ring count. To gain the most speed you need to used a combination of not just the boost but also rolling down slopes. Plus any type of spindash if that character has it. More speed also equal more damage you can do with a dash attack. When you run into an enemy and send them flying.
But every character also comes with light/basic attacks and heavy attacks. You press the light attack repeatedly on the ground, you get a basic combo. But you also got an attack combo in the air as well if you jump and press the same button. Heavy attacks are the same way. You get one on the ground and so and different one in the air. The most common type is this would be a plunge or driving attack with an AOE. Now rather these are melee , range, or a combination of both type of attacks would be dependent on the character. Every character also has a sort of dash attack if you are running or boosting into an enemy. As mentioned before every character had an homing attack. Think as this as the super dash from DBFighterZ. You can also use it to chase down any enemies you sent flying back to continue the assault. Make it be invulnerable to small projectiles. Small/weak projectiles only. Some characters might have different modification or versions of this. Every character has a dodge to you know, dodge incoming attacks. As well you can parry enemies attacks. Next to that everyone would have 4 unique skills that uses an energy meter and 1 ultimate. If just 4 not enough as you play through the game, unlocking more of the story, and doing extra missions. You unlock additional skills and sometimes different ultimates. But you can only equipped 4 at a time you would need to go into the customize screen and switch out what you want to have before starting a stage.
And boom. That’s a Sonic game. Pack it all up and watch the player base grow.
I think I might repeated some stuff by accident. But oh well.
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@@LS_DashYou say that but it’s already getting likes. If you want to explain something you can’t half ass it. It’s all or nothing out here.
8:15 honestly, i think it all comes down to visual presentation on that front: Sonic is no stranger to suddenly changing his momentum midair with a stomp, homing attack, or the like, so it's more about how to make that double jump look really cool
Maybe they could partially bring back the Instashield from Sonic 3 and incorporate that into his Double Jump.
Or, as heretical as this could sound, make it so his first, grounded jump doesnt have him curl up right away, OR the first jump uses the Sonic Adventure 2 style jump animation, only getting the full "blur" for that second jump
Also, Heroes had a lot of fun "hidden" move behaviors to add some personality: Espio's triangle jump had no time limit, so he could cling to the wall as long as he wants. Amy could hold down Jump to use Propeller Hammer to fly a short distance. And of course, the Team Blasts all had secondary bonuses, with Sonic Overdrive's being that Sonic could follow up _immediately_ with a Lightspeed attack
If they go for the multiple playable character approaches again, they could have their cake and eat it too: imagine a game with a playable Metal Sonic, who plays like Unleashed Sonic but with rings being consumed for boosting akin to F-Zero GX, while Sobic goes for a more SA2 or Frontiers feeling kit.