Remote ID Range 📍 How far AWAY can someone SPOT YOU with the Drone Scanner App 📍
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2024
- I have made a Remote ID Range test to see how you can be spotted by using a free drone scanner app for Android in the Play Store. Remote identification, or RemoteID, from January 1st. 2024, it is mandatory in the EU for Drones like DJI Air 3, DJI Mavic 3 Classic, DJI Mavic 3 Pro, and all other DJI Drones to be operated in the open category in Europe under the New 2024 Drone Law.
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"Starting from 1 January 2024, all drones operating in the open category (with limited exceptions) must be equipped with a remote identification system. Some companies have already placed modules on the market providing a direct remote identification system, providing the ‘EU Declaration of Conformity’, and you can find a list below. Please be aware that EASA did not verify the compliance of such components, and the declaration of conformity is submitted under the manufacturer's sole responsibility."
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Hi Henrik 👋😀, oh my that is kinda scary. They can find out who's flying and where you are. It's a good thing/bad thing 😢.
For most of us,We love flying drones and we are very careful and follow guidelines and safety 🦺.
Thank you so very much for the update and video my friend and God bless you and your family always 🙏. Have a great week
Thanks for the Fantastic Information, Henrik. Appreciate it.
Happy Flying!
Seems like the DJI software, should in return, alert you that someone is following you using your remote ID. the pilot should be informed of that person’s location. Fair is fair, in the name of transparency. Right?
I like that.
But for that to work, all phones would have to be fitted with the type of Bluetooth that broadcasts that far. The BT on the RID module broadcasts much further. Otherwise, the person following you, would only be broadcasting 30meters, at most.
I like that too
Active track should also be updated. New option allows it to fly right to the person that’s tracking you. 😳😂
Again, in the name of transparency, since they wanna know who, and where, you are, you should be able to do same.
pretty nice test and interesting result to get a mind for 😊👍🏼
So seems to me like you say, they are more interested in the pilot than the drone, interesting Henrik thanks ....
Hi Henrik - Thank you for doing this test - The results were very interesting! Would you be able to do a similar test with the Mavic 2 Pro that you were working with recently? I am wondering how good the remote ID quality is on this older model drone in comparison to what you were showing in your latest video.
I can't make my M2P transmit the ID and show up in the app
To get off subject slightly, DJI recently discontinued the product called Aero Scope. A receiver that can detect the control signals of a DJI drone up to 20 miles away. It is used around airports and other TFR areas. I think the reason it was discontinued is because it could be used in areas like the Ukraine to detect DJI drones. The system only detected DJI drones but I don't see why somebody else could design a receiver and a decoder or data slicer to detect any drones operating in the WIFI frequency band.
I haven't tried to sniff the airways with my spectrum analyzer, but I would assume the airways is an RF-rich environment. One would have to have a decoder system to filter out the many consumer devices that use that band. Jim
I'm not sure how many people you have to help you for additional testing, but it would be interesting to see multiple drones and locations at the same time. Does it show the same information for 2, 3, 5, etc...? Also I am wondering the the remote signal itself may be interferring - could you test it being 10m from the remote?
We have learned that Remote ID has the range of a Tile Tracker, 100-150 meters. Unless you are an idiot who hovers in place, if you are flying by at speed, the odds of someone launching a tracking app & zeroing in on you are slim to none. Further proof the entire RID concept is a solution in search of a problem.
My thoughts exactly.
That is not true. People flying drones were already shot at. Remote ID makes it a little easier. So angry farmers don't have to drive like maniacs all over the place to find the pilot. It's for everybody's safety. That's all.
Exactly, I’ve never seen or heard of a legitimate answer to the question: “Why”? Why is this regulation necessary in the first place?
I’m not defending it, but I think at some point readers will be installed in restricted areas, making it easy to track drones.
This is a cool test! The app doesn’t work on an iPhone so I’ll need to get my hands on an android to try the test myself!
Thank you for doing this. Another experiment would be range over either industrial, retail, or housing subdivision with high RF environment. Over empty fields is probably the best case, highest range for RID. I'm curious about a scenario with an increased RF noise floor.
Great suggestion!
Thank you for the very informative video. I have two questions though,
1- So the aircraft needs to be airborne to be detected?
2- Does the DJI Air 2s drone with Standard RID work with Bluetooth or Wi-Fi?
Hi Henrik, thank you for your brilliant work.
I wanted to take the chance to ask you something which diverts from this video's topic.
Have you ever flown drones in Portugal? I'm heading there for vacation and planning to take Air 3 and Avata 2 with me. Initially I thought there would be no problem with regulations, having my A1A3 certification and flying C1 drones on European soil. Yet when I dived a bit into Portuguese regulations (I was actually looking for no fly zone maps and found thier official App called " Voa Na Boa") I found contradicting informations ... to make it brief, they say you can fly freely in open category with complying drone, but if it is equipped with a camera and you are planning to take photos/ videos, you need to apply for permission, which doesn't make much sense to me... do you know anything about it ? Thanks
Great test. So we can resumen that, at a lower amplitude, worst detection, higher amplitude, easier detection. Radious upto 100/160 Mts distance, could be detected. For the next test, you can try on the contrary, ask for a friend to help you, to lift/fly or drone and you (without a drone), from distance, check when can you detect the drone and the operator. Best wishes from Spain
Yes good idea
There's also a difference if you're using a drone with a retrofitted RID module versus the newer drones with RID already built into it. A retrofit RID module will only show you the last known takeoff location whereas the newer drone units with standard RID show the the ground control station location (controller/cellphone) with a continuously updated status. DHS is working on a public safety version of RID receiver so soon they will have more visibility on RID.
You could do a bisection search to quickly gather accurate data:
Fly out to where it doesn't work;
Halve the distance;
If it works fly to half way between those two locations... and repeat, so you close in on the actual range.
Good plan
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA Sorry, I didn't explain it very well:
Fly out to 200 metres;
If not detected, fly to half the distance (100 m);
If detected, fly to half-way between where detected and where not (150 m);
If detected fly to 175, but if not fly to 125
... and so on.
You should be able to quickly plot the envelope as a graph with X = range, Y = altitude by joining the dots.
Can you do a cruise control test going straight up,just kidding.that would be neat to see in a controlled environment.😀😎
Hehe yes
Thank for the top video. I still have a question: Does the app reveal your location or is it showing the takeoff location?
Good one, let’s find out
You can adjust the exiration time in the scanner app. "..."->Preferences ->Expiration time
ohh, thanks
Pilot Institute did this test for 7 RID modules & posted a video. But they didn't test other drones like this one.
Go stand on a hilltop with a good view and run your drone scanner. I bet you see several drones quite far away.
We have stand your ground laws in the US. That app should have a pop explaining this each time the tracking app is opened. Just my .02
Yes, would be fair both ways
Nice video try it near water especially salt water it has problem with it thanks for the intel 😂😂😂
I tested this yesterday. After some fiddling Dronescanner made one registration but didn't update during the test. Any way to change the update intervals?
At the time 07:00 the registration disappeared in Your video. What made that happend?
Maybe You should do a test with diferent phones at once.
A question from a user in the UK, where we are not yet afflicted with remote id, but dark rumours swirl about us: your video shows that when you enable it you have to enter your operator number into the controller. Since DJI presumably do not have access to lists of drone pilots' operator numbers, is there anything to stop the user from entering a bogus number?
Probably better to either fully comply, or not comply at all. There are many ways to trick the system. But if you're going to do that, the way I see it, if you got caught not using it at all, at least you can claim that you didn't know. But if you're caught messing with it, that shows knowledge of the system, and intention to break the rules of the system.
yes, it seem there is some kind of validation is going on - I was not able to save it unless the combination of security code and operator number matches
Thanks Henrik. I will go out on a limb and say you are still in CE mode, yes? Anyone using FCC mode will see a much greater detection distance. My Air3 and Mini4Pro are visible from >500m laterally at 20-120m AGL. And yes, I am in the U.S.!
Yes CE
You need to test by putting it up, then drive 200 meters down the road but not update the home point and see if operator location changes
yes, I will do this
you expect a cellphone wifi antenna to get signal how far away?
Something like this only provides relative readings. If you don't want to be detected, don't hang your transmitter 100's of feet in the air. Even a VERY LOW powered transmitter at microwave frequencies.
The sensitivity on this level of equipment would exhibit performance characteristics nowhere near anything which would be useful.
If you used this to compare a whole flock of drones, you might be able to tell which one transmits a little farther.
I may have a 107 drone license, but I do like the idea of people using multiple ghost locations to help protect you from scammers or thieves possible finding me and trying to do a Karen or try to rob me or kick my arse.
I don't like it either
You have to the right side a field when the signal was last seen. This shows actually when the signal has been gone by counting up. Seems like the app has a delay of 30sec before it clears the list.
yes, had the 60s default enabled
Showing where the pilot is should not be allowed! !!! That’s asking for trouble!
Have you connect a mic to the RC2? If so? Which one?
Just a USB lapel mic from Amazon
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA - How to get it connected as the RC2 has no direct audio input only a usb-c connection. Can you tell us what adapter you use for it. Would be nice if it’s possible to get local audio notation to the screen recording of the flights.
I was able to detect my Phantom 4 Pro V2 out to 180 meters from my location. I do not see much info thats important. I do see there's 16 messages.
2.4Ghz is fairly directional line of sight so they will need ‘fox hunting skills’ (radio directional finding) with directional beam antennas. The system is flawed in the extreme😂😂😂
My bet before watching, no more than 50m 😀
In Portugal that app doesn´t work i´ve already try it with my mavic 2 and he didn´t appear on the app.
I can’t make it work with my Mavic 2 either
The scanner app that you are using, is that called "The Karen App"?
the Karren's will be watching now someone going to get hurt 😒
how drone transmit the information? it's working via internet from controler? I will fly my new drone DJI mini 4 Pro in the mountains where there is no mobile phone signal.
With 'Standard Remote ID', (as per the rules of the FAA, in the US, and I suspect that most other RID compliant countries, will have similar methods & rules) the RID module is broadcasting the GPS location, such as 'Home Point' (or place where the drone was launched) and position of the drone, with a version of Bluetooth, that has a longer range than the Bluetooth that we're used to with our computer peripherals, and headphones. The phone's BT receiver uses that data, with the App, to show the positions on a map. If DJI is using a different method, I am unaware of it.
it's send from the drone
So, If you believed you'd been detected and were concerned for your well being/safety, what if you turned off the controller? 🤔 The drone would then return to the home point but your location details wouldn't be visible in the app. Is that a possibility?
yes, but you are to close by that anyone will be able to spot the return path so it's kinda silly
Maybe set it to hover, change location then RTH.
Here is a way to keep your flying location anonymous-before you get to the location, power on the controller and drone. Verify that the module is broadcasting. Now drive to the flying location and launch. I haven't tried this, but will the next time I fly.
I will try this too
You have your remote in one hand and the drone scanner in the other, what if the drone scanner is a couple of kilometers away ? how far away can people tell if there is a drone around ?
Per his test, the other person would need to be fairly close to the drone.
Take a look here: ua-cam.com/video/SPv9Pmc_v6E/v-deo.html
people should be flying with an remote ID jammer at all time, flood the area with false remote ID entries.
As the remote id in this case uses the same frequency range as your remote controller this would be not useful because you jamming your own means to control the drone. And proper authorities have measures to triangulate the yammer location besides your location anyway. If you flying a dji drone they locate you even without the remote id activated through your remote controller signals itself with a dji scanner specifically designed to detect drones flying around airports or other sensitive locations. If you flood the areas with fake identification then this would make legal action against you only worse. Fly safe and give them no reason for legal action is still the best advice.
My suggestiojn is to see if you can turn off the GPS so that Karen down the street can't find the pilot.
I wonder what the range is like over a town ?
I would have to look into that
Is it correct that the operators location is sent to the app from the drone? If so why does the operators location not vanish when the drone is lost by the app? Or is the operators location sent from the control unit.
My mistake! I have realised that the operators locations does disappear!
No, the Drone operator, who is also running the Drone Scaner, his position is being displayed by the phone GPS. If the Drone Scanner operator wasn’t the Drone operator, and the drone operator walked away from the controller, the Drone Scanner operator wouldn’t know where the drone operator is.
This looks really slow, surely a pilot in a helicopter couldn’t rely upon this to pinpoint the location of a drone to understand the potential danger.
I'm not sure it's intent for that, it seem to slow for that purpose and range is limited
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA possibly more likely it’ll be used following an incident to show the location of the drone in relation to the operator. Were you able to manually move the home point Henrik ?
The person using Drone Scanner, not the operator of the Drone, will see his position relative to the Drone and controller. If the drone operator walked away from the controller, The Drone Scanner Operator will not know where the Drone operator is.
I did some testing with my own mini 4 pro and it was really unreliable. For anybody worried it's broadcasting and lots of people are seeing it and following your flight, you're overreacting. Keep your drone moving don't sit and hover in any one place too long, even if someone is watching the app, the chances of them picking up your broadcast long enough to actually look at your info is slim.
yes, it's seem very unreliable
Såvidt jeg kan se, så testede du ikke hvis nu du er 2 km. væk fra start sted med dronen om sporingsenheden kan vise hvor operatøren er henne i sådan tilfælde.
Nej det er rigtigt nok
Remote ID should not transmit beyond visual line of sight if you want my opinion. If they can't see it they have no business needing to know whose it is or where they're at.
you almost had to do the same experiment with your Mini 2, to see if we can still see your starting point - because if we can, so can "Karen" ;-)
You know it’s down
Yes, I forgot that, but maybe you can borrow ;-)@@TECHDRONEMEDIA
Do you know if this app still works without cell phone service?
The phone would need to be connected to the internet, in some way, in order to access the App. But the RID module will still be broadcasting the GPS data.
The scanner works, but maps etc. will not be updated or available
Which app is it?
Drone Scanner App
If or when this remote ID come to the UK, i will not be taking part in it, i will just keep my old firmware that does not have this spy technology.
I concur, no thanks. With this RID garbage you're just putting a target to yourself to anyone.
DJI can force a firmware update before you can fly your drone with no problem. They snuck it in as the last item on the last firmware update for the Mini 4 Pro and many did not read it and updated without knowing it in the US. I understand it somehow knows if you are using an extended flight battery instead of the normal battery making the drone weigh over 250 grams. This causes a mandatory remote ID transmission from both the drone and controller.
Imagine requiring same tech for guns! How many people do drones kill now?
You are using the app with the default settings, expiration time=60 sec. In the settings secton it can be set in steps of 5 secs between 10 an 600 secs.
Cool l’ll add that to the list
Changed my setting , thanks mate.
Which drone scanner is he using?
Drone Scanner
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA thank you
my RC2 don't have Remote ID feature
what drone?
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA mini 4 pro + latest firmware
Who are "they"? 🤔 Yes on one single point u're correct. ONLY the paranoid, will survive 😂
My record detecting a Mavic 3 with a tablet is 3.5Km, just don't comply with RID, there's already a Hack available for the Mavic 3 that removes Aeroscope and RID emissions; be smart and enjoy your hobby by not complying with this nonsensical overregulation.
3.5 Km away wow
Can you please send me €240 so I can get a Remote ID module for my €110 drone weighing 260 grams? Thank you!
So you don't have a remote ID. How do they know it's you?
They don’t
@TECHDRONEMEDIA Sorry to say that in the big picture, the world government is targeting everyone. You will own nothing and like it.
We should ask to ban remore ID
FORGET REMOTE I/D... I could already easily sniff your main DJI telemetry directly with a cheap SDR receiver (giving me your drone location, height, speed, pilot location etc etc) whether you have a remote I/D module or not.... & I can do that at a range greater than you can fly to. Your handset with its pretty poor stubby little antennas gets the data to/from range X.... if I use a good yagi antenna instead of those little antennas I can get over 20dB gain which is x100 on the signal & signal drops off as a square law so if I sit on the roof of a block of flats with a clear shot out & you reckon you can fly to 3km (clear LoS) then I expect to be able to sniff your live telemetry & data out from 30km..... & if you are using the FCC hack with the higher power expect to be sniffed at even longer ranges.
This is just me as an amateur. The authorities with proper facilities & money will find things easier.
Check out the youtube videos on how to receive drones with a cheap easily available SDR RX (& what info is already available from it).
The worry about RID pilot location is interesting.... If they are going to be limiting your VLOS range to sub-200m then if I go and stand where the drone is flying then I can probably see you flying it anyway so how much extra risk does RID put you under?.
Also, if pilot risk is such a problem what about FPV?... the argument there is spotters should not be needed but who is looking out after your safety when you have goggles on and only have situational awareness around the drone but not around yourself?. There is one youtube video with drone crashed when pilot distracted when chased by swan. Stick a pair of FPV goggles on & without a spotter what protects you from being pecked in the nuts by a swan?... attack risk here unimpacted by RID or not.
Basically if you play low around the clutter, don't go far & are EU then you are not going to get noticed..... Go High, Go Far, go FCC then you may as well just be shouting "HERE I AM... COME & CHECK ME!!!".
One thing I can see is that the police generally will not be bothered checking out all the trivial crap so the chances of getting caught doing anything will be quite low, but I could easily foresee general AI sniffing of things going on... if it sees raw telemetry data & RID and they agree then ignore this flight. If they see raw telemetry & no RID or spoofed RID that doesn't tie up then those are the flights they will be more interested in so killing your RID may actually make you more conspicuous rather than less.
If you took the number plates off your car would that help or hinder you trying to "fly under the radar"?.
120M max altitude, what a scam.
How is a scam to ensure you keep below the lower limit for manned aircraft?
@@MrLunarlander government scam.
Dude. You are too close to that road. Will you be able to monetize a video of you getting sent 50 feet in the air by a truck? 🤣
narh, properly not
Du har ikke testet, på hvor stor en afstand, remote ID kan detekte drone operatoren.
Nej men det kan da komme på listen
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA - overvej også, at myndighederne med garanti anskaffer sig noget special udstyr til drone scanning, med en retningsbestemt parabol, som vil være 10-20 gange så følsom, som den meget ringe antenne, der er i en smat phone.
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA - jeg tror ikke, at Remote ID opfanger signaler fra RC'en, det er dronen der 'sladrer' til trackeren om RC'ens GPS koordinater, det er jo blot oplysningen om homepoint.
I have an ID, an ID that Remote ID is unconstitutional in the United States! Fly safe, fly free!
So you want nut jobs running into manned aircraft like air ambulances that have no method to alert & avoid a UAS like the transponders on manned aircraft have provided to the busy airspace for decades?
In The U.S, can u fly w/o a Remote ID on The New DJI Air 3?
@@ipadmini1874 I don’t know. I don’t purchase anything from DJI anymore. They have their head way to far up the FAA’s arse for me. I build and fly my own quads, so I don’t have to deal with the communist FAA unconstitutional crap!
Lol where in the constitution does it say anything about flying a drone, lol lol unconstitutional that’s funny
Air 3 is required to have remote id if you fly in the US
I’ve dealt with people but people that wanna find random operators, the cop s take your drone and life goes to shit dude shot and says stupid stuff and I show flight the cops says he thinks I removed a flight but I was just setting up to do hyperlaps and dude decided to shoot 111m up and he’s says he shot cause I was 10ft off ground and at window DJI manic three pro I gave to cops before warrant I was compliant but the dude is liar and say I had laser on drone he says he shot a blank then cops actually say how can I prove he shot I told the cop I had video when he shot first shot I started recording and when I spotted dude with gun and then put to his cheek to line up a second shot I turned lights off and he didn’t shoot another round into the sky he should be in jail for shooting at an aircraft not me being disrespected by law enforcement and called childish when cuffed up I didn’t do shit but the cops think I deleted a flight DJI please tell the bcsd I didn’t delete any flights in October September or nothing shit I been handed drone over for over 150 days and cops still haven’t been schooled
Crazy and thanks for sharing
The Karen's of the world are not gonna use this,they don't have the patients because of the lack of blood going to there brain.i am more concerned from people approaching me .I do not worry here in America,I am always packing
You are properly right
Clearly you've never been through the system due to accidental discharge. For me, firearms are a tool that allow you to reach your vehicle and escape only.
What is scary about knowing the pilot location? I don't think folks are going to be looking for the pilot unless the drone is doing something that harasses someone. First, if you are not flying around people, no one will be able to discover it anyway.
DJI Mini 4 Pro is not REQUIRED to have RemoteID enabled in EU
If you want to pick one up - use this link
🇺🇸 amzn.to/4aL2hYu
🇪🇺 amzn.to/3tJ0Glg
If you are in Denmark: droner.dk/dji-mini-4-pro-fly-more-combo-dji-rc-2?acc=b0eeffad438fd186126c11fecdceab44
I guess it's automatic activated when you are using the "plus" battery and the weight of the drone exceeds the 250g.