Remote ID Location Test 📍They Can See You 📍ONLY with an Android Phone + Drone Scanner App
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2024
- I have made a Remote ID Range test to see how you can be spotted by using a free drone scanner app for Android in the Play Store. Remote identification, or RemoteID, from January 1st. 2024, it is mandatory in the EU for Drones like DJI Air 3, DJI Mavic 3 Classic, DJI Mavic 3 Pro, and all other DJI Drones to be operated in the open category in Europe under the New 2024 Drone Law.
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"Starting from 1 January 2024, all drones operating in the open category (with limited exceptions) must be equipped with a remote identification system. Some companies have already placed modules on the market providing a direct remote identification system, providing the ‘EU Declaration of Conformity’, and you can find a list below. Please be aware that EASA did not verify the compliance of such components, and the declaration of conformity is submitted under the manufacturer's sole responsibility."
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Interesting test. The Android phone was a wi-fi signal scanner sent from the drone - the phones' wi-fi range is about 100-150m and this is the area in which you scan the RID.
Thank you for the experiment Henrik, good work!
Thanks, I should find one to help me next time
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA if i would live closer to you i would like to help you!
Nice testing and very well performed. Mmh, regulations which state for the mandatory requirements, yet the FLIGHT SYSTEMS and the flight tracking is basically very weird and not synchronized at all, considering if you have a RC 5o guide, the mobile phone ID tag is just additional and does not provide any resourceful indication while you fly with the drone. Apart the GEOMAPPING, it is just like having GOOGLE MAPS open and looking at you position. Mmh, again, the DJI is lacking a lot for Technical Metrics and FLIGHT ASSISTANCE especially from the app and drone configurations. Nice testing, by the way!
Thanks!
Thank you so much
Fascinating.
The first drone operator that gets attacked by a crazy Karen, will generate massive lawsuits. We went 70+ years without any hobbyist getting seriously hurt or damaging property. Remote ID is potentially dangerous for hobbyists safety and totally unnecessary. Only commercial (Amazon etc.), should have remote ID, due to the massive size and weight of their aircraft, that could potentially hurt people or damage property.
it already happens in the USA, theres a youtuber who makes videos of the crazy encounters. What annoys me is that when big RC helicopters were literally killing people in the 2000s no regulations happened, but the moment DJI got popular the entire RC model hobby gets hit by the same regulations and DJI and other camera drone users.
also whats crazy about Drone Scanner app is that if you check the reviews, people are giving it 1 stars because they're going around trying to find people who fly quads and drones, so we are already at the point where to ensure you are safe you dont put the module on.
I disagree. The only people that have to worry are probably flying or behaving in an unadvised, unacceptable, or sketchy manner. Fly by the rules, keep safety and privacy paramount.
@@RetreadPhotolike the patriot act right?
Thanks Henrik. Two points:
1) for the distance between the drone and the detection app, you need Pythagoras ;-). If you let the drone hover at 100m high (vertical distance) while at a horizontal distance of 100m (D), the real distance for the Remote ID signal is 141 meter.
2) if I am correctly informed, the drone is emitting the launch point or the home point as operator location. So a good further test (if you want to ;-) ) would be to see what happens if you (a) walk away from the launch point taking the controller with you and (b) if (in that situation) the operator location stays where it was, to see what happens if you update the home point.
that would make a great video and would make you impossible to locate unless you update your home point.
Agree this would be a good test
and good point with 1)
Bedankt
Thank you
The drone scanning app clearly looks for the 'controller-side' transmissions. Drones only (primarily under normal conditions..if windy, it'll transmit a short message that pops up on controller) receive signal THEN perform action received. So, the drone scan app looks for presently active drone communication bandwidth of an active communication link. If no broadcasts are detected, this will not work.
Because all drone flight is to be line of sight, you'll not normally separate the two too much that a drone scanner can't find both. Id guess the farther away from the controller you get, the ability to detect the broadcast signal fades (probably by the inverse-square principal) as distance is lengthened. As always, trees are a natural Faraday cage. If there are trees between you and the remote, depending on their density of placement and how bushy/leafy they are, that probably also takes away the ability to find a broadcast signal easily.
If policing authorities don't use a REMOTE ID detector without an antenna that can be aimed in different directions, the drone hobbyist doesn't have anything to worry about if authorities use equipment & software that does this. For them to upgrade to something like air traffic controllers would likely be out of the cost range most municipalities would spend only two give 2 or 3 ticketed fines a year. No real return on investments (including training of police authority how to use it). Very expensive.
Remote ID has always been a tool of fear used to control the drone hobbyist. Therefore, have fun safely and fly your drones wisely.
Interesting, thanks for sharing
Hey Henrik Thank you very much for another remote ID test. Drone Scanner is a good app but here in the US for me the Air Sentinel app seems to have quicker refresh again in the US I don't know if it's available where you are for sure.
I think this is related to broadcast power US vs. EU
Thanks Henrik!
Watching Your 2 last videos about the remote ID, i shake my head and ask why it's needed at all?
Any monitoring/chasing/watching authority needs to stand almost behind the drone, drone pilot, to register it.
What the hack? Using eyes, binoculars, the pilot would likely be found.
One, unidentified(!), drown was shot down in Gothenburg not long ago. A Brittish navy ship was visiting the town....
Will a detect distance of some 150 meters make much difference? I don't think so.
Paper turning desk bureaucrats looks like commanding this.
Henrik. Thanks for another useful video. this is a subject that it's making me crazy. The RDI is not working at my AIR 3, at least, using Drone Scanner, doesn't show, using wifi tracker, nothing too. I think that, of course maybe is a app subject, DJI has to take a deep look at it, as, if is not working properly, we can have issues with security forces. No need to say that the possibility that "someone" could detect us and our drones, brakes the Data protection Laws as it shows everybody my license ID, my drone ID, my position, except my name. How can it be possible that EU doesn't have this in mind and check how to protect our rights? Keep working making videos.
It shouldn't effect GDPR, certainly in the UK as there is no name to personaly identify you. Your vehicle licence plate can be used to identify your vehicle type etc as it's a public document, so you could use the same argument. In the UK there are also journalistic exemptions to allow you to be identified.
Are you using an iPhone?
Nop. Android
Here in the US, we still have about 5 weeks before RID becomes mandatory. So I am concerned about what, and how much, data is being broadcast. I would like to have seen you carry the remote controller and see if the location of the pilot changes on the app. If the RC2 controller is not bound to a smart phone, does it have access to position data? Does the program assume the Home Point and pilot are co-located?
Thanks for making another fun video!
RID = Just another law to punish law abiding citizens. I’m started to believe that the real purpose of RID is to get “rid” of drone hobbyist. When will the insanity end!?!
Thanks for another informative video Henrick. I look forward to the next test!
I see it more as a valid attempt to enforce solid safety and privacy rules, and make it easier to hold accountable the people being stupid or dangerous. Just the world we live in today, nobody wants to follow the rules.
@@RetreadPhoto How is some stranger using an app to track me going to enforce safety and privacy? No one has ever been killed by a hobby drone. Millions have been killed by cars. Can I track your location or address by looking at your license plate? No, I can’t. So why? And how does tracking someone 200 feet away from you accomplish anything. People can see 200 feet. They don’t need an app. It’s not about safety at all. It’s about power and control.
@@hammondge
Yeah you need to check the videos of Kamikaze drones used in wars today. A second hand Mavic 2 can now be used to attack and blow up a tank or a shelter.
Nice test so I am assuming that the drone itself would broadcast the pilots position even if the drone was more than 200.ft away from the controller or does the remote broadcast aswell
Should not be allowed! I can see lots of confrontations happening with people being hurt or even worse! I totally disagree with this and the authorities should think about the consequences!😠🤬🤬….thanks for sharing Henrik.
As you are out in countryside there will be little interference from local WiFi. I wonder if these distances still hold over a town or buildings where there is lots of local Wifi?
I was hoping to get some personal value out of RID by being able to see if there were other drones around when I want to fly. Perhaps it is my phone, but I am not getting any signal for my Mini 3 pro. Perhaps I will get better results after adjusting the 'refresh rate', so thanks for that tip!
Hi henrik. Maybe it's mentioned before but I would like to see a test where the drone is like 800 meter away from the controller and the drone scanner is 100 meters from the drone in opposite direction. If the scanner still can see where the operator is. That would really be troubling and would mean that the drone sends out the operators location.
Thnx for sharing ur observations on to be spotted wirelessly. Yes that's correct, super powers do surveillance of the radio signal spectrum. DJI xfer data between AC and RC unencrypted. It has always been available for detection. DJI did previously sell a solution DJI Aeroscope for that purpose in order to locate the position of RC.
Now: who do u think would be equipped with handheld RID scanners? It's a federal EU EASA regulation and rule. It's not wrongly interpreted as legislation and laws.
In a wheat field in Denmark, r u expecting to randomly be inspected? 🤔
Fun video
Glad you think so
Hi Henrik, thanks for taking the time to carry out these tests, very interesting; I acknowledge that you were testing the heavier drone that already had remote ID enabled; I understand that drones less than 250g are not required to have remote ID, such as the M4P with a C0 label, but if you use a Plus Battery, or M3P battery, you get the message that the device is over 250g and doesn’t comply with C0 requirements; and my question is whether the M4P then starts broadcasting remote ID as it’s over 250g?
I think this may be the case in the US but wondered if it is so in the EU?
I would test but I’ve only got an iPhone!
Cheers, Dave. 👍
from what I know the PLUS battery on M4P enables remoteID in the US but I do not have it, so I can test it.. M3P in M4P does not, I have tested this..
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA the M3P battery and the Plus battery both give the same “over 250g” warning on the rc now, so from what you say, it seems like in the EU the M4P doesn’t transmit remote ID, even if using a battery that takes it over 250g? 🤔
Yes i does not show up even if the message is shown
It appeared to fail after adjusting the Expiry time. Maybe try setting it back to 60 and see.
You should try to have a friend drive in the car with the remote while you keep eye on the drone to see how accurate the remote location is
I've my Remote ID turned off so I don't have any worries.
True, but then you are not complient
Yeah. Fvk the drone po po. No need for folks tracking you down for flying your drone.
I noticed that the controller's antenna were folded down when you put it on top of your vehicle. The wifi signal may feed through them and be diminished if the antennas are not in the up position.
Is the home point how the operator is located? if it is a resetting of the home point during the flight might give a different operator location and can be reset.
I will test that
What is the graph next to the Return To Home on the screen at 2:37 minutes indicating?
That is a histogram used to access the exposure
Have fun with it I do 😂😂😂
Hej Henrik, just to let you, I have downloaded the Drone Scanner on my IPhone
Yes, but can you make it work
All this trouble with RID to counter the unrealised menace of model aircraft. And we have just had yet another report in Britain of a woman killed by a dog. Imagine the fuss if oppressive rules were effected to counter the real threat from dogs: "Dogs are not allowed out of doors in builtup areas unless on a lead less than 6 feet long. Away from builtup areas they may run free, but the owner must maintain visual line of sight. Furthermore the dog must carry, attached to its collar, a transmitting device that broadcasts its and its owner's location."
Agree this is a bit over the top
Hi Henrik, on minute 3:40 you mention that Drone Scanner app only works on android, just to let you know I've just downloaded it on my iPhone 14 pro and at least the app works but I have no way to test if it detects any drone, would you be ok to test if it works on iOS for all of us? please!!! thanks a lot 😄
Yes but there are some limitations in iOS that prevent it from working
@@TECHDRONEMEDIA yehhh I’ve realised that I can’t activate the WiFi beacon and some other functionalities are not supported 😒
I really do not mind if the police or official bodies are out there looking for my drone as I do not break the rules so have nothing to fear! However I dont like the idea that any other member of the public who might not know the rules can find my location. I dont think these apps will ever work with iphones as IOS does not allow the detection of remote wifi or blutooth beacons which the app relies on!
När man säljer drönaren hur får man då bort remote id om den inte går att radera
Okay, Now, If you were to call someone that you know, that has drone scanner on their phone, that is say 20km's away from you, would they be able to see your drone ? for example, I live in Australia, I would not be able to see your drone, How close would the nearest person have to be to detect your drone and you ?? Cheers
That I’m sure will not work
hello watched few video good work ,as a 107 search rescue pilot ,if i understand you correctly that while you were filming this video,you left your controller in in your vehicle , so you had no control of your drone while you were filming ,friendly suggestion not a safe practice when if something went wrong or a plane was in the area,,you wouldnt have control to make safe maneuvers
Oh no the drone po po. Please don't arrested us drone own. Fvck off drone piggies. Lmao
I have some serious problems with finding out how i can enable remote id on the dji avata so i dont break the law, the option / setting isnt there in the googles
Do not lower the Expiration Time when depending on WiFi to spot drones. Due to the way phones implement scanning you will see a Drones WiFi Beacon maybe only every 10-40 seconds.
This app is not very good, and I'm glad. If someone wants to spot you, he sould be very close to You, and very lucky to catch the drone in action. So it is not a concern anymote for me. Maybe in the future the app will be better.
Does it actually track the operator. I was told it logged the initial take off point but if the operator moved locations after taking off it did not track that. Is that correct ?
Let’s find out
That is how I thought it worked.
I was able to detect my Phantom 4 Pro V2 out to 180 meters from my location.
Will the authorities have better equipment and be able to spot RID from farther distances away?
Likely but if this is the consumer level we have not much to fear
In the UK they're working on network remote ID, so technically they'll be able to see all drones transmitting RID fron anywhere in the UK.
Pull out att of remote 😂😂
Jeg er ret sikker på, at det er dronen, som 'sladrer' til remote ID enheden om, hvor dens homepoint er. Prøv at lave er forsøg, hvor du flytter RC'en væk fra home point.
Yes Sir
Can u try it on non DJI UAV !
I don't have other than the Autel Nano+
Is it showing you registration ID including the last 3 numbers? I thought those were supposed to be hidden for safety??? Well it doesn't matter if you get shot by some drone hating maniac I guess.
No it’s not showing the last 3
Lmao I work in Detroit, I gotta start wearing bulletproof vests and carrying my ak this could be some dangerous stuff. A thief with a gun is most likely to shoot and think later. I can see why the FAA is doing this but this is obviously not the right way to do it
I tried the drone scanner app last year a few yimes as a test with my galaxy s21 ultra phone and Mavic 3 classic and found sometimes the app picked up the drone and other times didn't so i got in touch with dtone scanner support and they told me the following....Have you tried to disable Wi-Fi Throttling? That should improve the reception. However, generally speaking, Wi-Fi reception on smartphones is problematic as the power-saving modes on the OS usually kick in.there is no way to have control over the Wi-Fi scanning as it is completely up to the decision for the operating system. The only thing that helps is to disable the WiFi throttling.
So after drone scanner support told me that i acessed my phones developer mode and disabled wifi throttling and that seemed to rectify the problem of the drone not showing up on the drone scanner app and now seemed to be visible fairly consistently
It doesn't detect my mini 3 pro at all
And what is the whole point of this ...oh yeah...our controllers want full control of our lives and money.
My mini 3 pro doesn't show up but it has remote id?? odd.
Sub 250
@@gmivisualsjason3729 even with the plus battery I don't see it
Just don’t activate it. Problem solved.
I hate to be that guy. And I know you did this over an empty field with no paths, but you did completely take your hands off the remote. This is the starting of complacency what will be a 'human error' factor in your next crash. Please get help in doing your next video. Thanks for testing out the new rID.
It's fair point, and also a valid concern of mine