Interesting comparison, love my b2600 but was thinking of picking up the KARP Odyssey but wasnt sure how similar they would be. This definitely made me more interested! Cheers and thanks!
Thanks for the great demo! Clearly preferring the filtering from the Odyssey but 2600 is better for percussive sounds. Should i get both then? Already owning Odyssey =)
I haven’t tried that, but maybe using some compression settings or with a transient shaper you can come closer to the extreme B2600 envelopes. Other than that, the 2600 in any form is a classic synth, and the semi modular design is a pleasure to explore. If you switch the three VCOs to sub-audio range, you suddenly have three LFOs ready to interact with other external gear. For flexibility, the 2600 is second to none. But if you are looking for very different sound character than ARP, then there are many options out there… :-)
Hi, thanks for your comment. You can see in the video that all the sequencing was made with the little Korg SQ-1. Small and easy to use, try one at your local store if you can.
@@paaftube no reason to be sorry. It´s me who didn’t got the question right. 🫣 Those sounds come from the Roland Jupiter 4. It is powerful enough to make those king of percussive sounds.
@@paaftube I guess you could get this kind of sound from the 2600, but then again, the internal saturation of the Jupiter 4 plays a great role in the character of this sound.
One question, has anybody ever compared raw tones of 2600 with a model d? I have a Little Phatty and I love the buzziness I can get from it, wondering if selling it for a b2600
Hi, a Model D has some saturation built in in the VCA and filter stages when you crank up oscillator levels. So the raw tones of 2600 and Model D may be somehow different. Beyond that, the synthesis capabilities are quite different due to the semi modular nature of the 2600. Both instrument are classic and enjoyable.
Seems like the rumor that the Behringer has some really strange implementation of the envelopes. In many of the demo sounds there is an extremely annoying distorted click sound (which was the thing talked about. Very noticeable when the filter is closed down with higher resonance) that just force you to choose a slower attack setting. And that attack many say is too slow and not snappy enough compared to many of the top notch analogs. Since the prices seems to have fallen for the B2600 I considered buying one. Now I won't. Thanks for the extremely good demo of them side by side making me spare the money by not buying something that would have been bad for me. For some that click at the start is good for percussive sounds. Good for them. So I am not saying that the B2600 is bad. It's just that it's not for me.
I remember my ARP2600 envelopes as clicky, but of course they wouldn’t go to the ultra fast settings of the B2600. The three positions switch on the B2600 allows for different envelope behaviour. I like what I hear, but as you wrote, there may be some settings which are unpleasant or inadequate for some musical purposes. It’s not only the time, but the curve, what defines the character of an envelope. Curves are predefined by the manufacturer. That´s why we feel that some instruments are a better match for some uses. Most “classical’ analog synth were designed with very musical envelopes. That’s something I sometimes miss in more modern instruments. Cheers.
The Odyssey doesn't "beat" the 2600. They are vastly different instruments. I love them both for exactly that reason. I think the Korg and Behringer versions pay decent respect to the originals, so I don't think the differences between the ARP versions would be much different.
@@liantrosretrospectiva4134 Can the Odyssey sound like a 2600? No? Point given and point taken. They are different instruments. My guitar also kicks my Casio keyboards ass when it comes to sounding like a guitar,
Forgive me, I (guitar player), who played in bands with both back in the 80's, but isn't the most significant difference between the two Arp originals that 3rd oscillator on the 2600? And if I remember correctly, didn't the 2600 Lfo (with its controls on the keyboard) self oscillate as well, unlike the Odyssey lfo? (could be wrong there, it was a long time ago). Goddamn love those sounds tho! There's nothing else quite like 3 Arp oscillators going slightly out of tune from one another near the end of a hot sweaty night in a club to define PHAT! Oh, and to leave you with a modern story - we put a B2600 thru a Leslie just weeks ago - go ahead and weep mofos, it was THAT good! 🤣🤣🤣 (ok, we did make sure the sequence was within Hammondish ranges....)
Having a third VCO in the 2600 is of course a big difference but also having so many patch points that the 2600 is sometimes more powerful than some modular systems. As far as I can remember, the LFO in my ARP keyboard didn’t go up to audio range. Leslie… 😍😍
The B2600 filters are not the same, but the difference is only clear with high resonance and deep modulation, which is not showed in this video. Hence the almost identical sound of both filters here. Too bad that Behringer didn’t put Odyssey’s filters on the B2600. Not historically correct, but it would have been an incredible feature and selling point imho.
Read some history... the original filter had to be modified due to complaints of copyright infringement by Moog. The modified filter was therefore "just different enough" to pass muster. Did they "need" to include both (since they are similar), perhaps not. But, your appraisal of them and their origin couldn't be more off.
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How do the slider lengths ("throw") of each unit compare?
Interesting comparison, love my b2600 but was thinking of picking up the KARP Odyssey but wasnt sure how similar they would be. This definitely made me more interested! Cheers and thanks!
Great video, thank you
Thanks for the great demo! Clearly preferring the filtering from the Odyssey but 2600 is better for percussive sounds. Should i get both then? Already owning Odyssey =)
I haven’t tried that, but maybe using some compression settings or with a transient shaper you can come closer to the extreme B2600 envelopes. Other than that, the 2600 in any form is a classic synth, and the semi modular design is a pleasure to explore. If you switch the three VCOs to sub-audio range, you suddenly have three LFOs ready to interact with other external gear. For flexibility, the 2600 is second to none. But if you are looking for very different sound character than ARP, then there are many options out there… :-)
@@friendlynoise Hey, thanks a lot for your comment! I just got a 2600 Blue version for a really good price, so I'm gonna try this =)
@@danielk.5784 No doubt you will enjoy your 2600. 😃👍🏻
I have both and they make an Epic combo.
Hi, nice vid. Which Arp did you use to make the intro/outro sound? Very nice indeed..
Hi, thanks for your comment. You can see in the video that all the sequencing was made with the little Korg SQ-1. Small and easy to use, try one at your local store if you can.
@@friendlynoise sorry, I meant which synth are you using to make the intro/outro sound of this video?
the " bongo" heard with the walking fingernails, which synth did you use to make that sound? Must be Arp family I reckon..
@@paaftube no reason to be sorry. It´s me who didn’t got the question right. 🫣
Those sounds come from the Roland Jupiter 4. It is powerful enough to make those king of percussive sounds.
@@paaftube I guess you could get this kind of sound from the 2600, but then again, the internal saturation of the Jupiter 4 plays a great role in the character of this sound.
One question, has anybody ever compared raw tones of 2600 with a model d? I have a Little Phatty and I love the buzziness I can get from it, wondering if selling it for a b2600
Hi, a Model D has some saturation built in in the VCA and filter stages when you crank up oscillator levels. So the raw tones of 2600 and Model D may be somehow different. Beyond that, the synthesis capabilities are quite different due to the semi modular nature of the 2600. Both instrument are classic and enjoyable.
Wow, thanks for doing all that. I'm just about to make the transition and this provides a nice frame of reference.
Glad to be helpful. 👍🏻👍🏻
why this ?
Seems like the rumor that the Behringer has some really strange implementation of the envelopes.
In many of the demo sounds there is an extremely annoying distorted click sound (which was the thing talked about. Very noticeable when the filter is closed down with higher resonance) that just force you to choose a slower attack setting. And that attack many say is too slow and not snappy enough compared to many of the top notch analogs.
Since the prices seems to have fallen for the B2600 I considered buying one. Now I won't.
Thanks for the extremely good demo of them side by side making me spare the money by not buying something that would have been bad for me.
For some that click at the start is good for percussive sounds. Good for them.
So I am not saying that the B2600 is bad. It's just that it's not for me.
I remember my ARP2600 envelopes as clicky, but of course they wouldn’t go to the ultra fast settings of the B2600. The three positions switch on the B2600 allows for different envelope behaviour. I like what I hear, but as you wrote, there may be some settings which are unpleasant or inadequate for some musical purposes. It’s not only the time, but the curve, what defines the character of an envelope. Curves are predefined by the manufacturer. That´s why we feel that some instruments are a better match for some uses. Most “classical’ analog synth were designed with very musical envelopes. That’s something I sometimes miss in more modern instruments. Cheers.
Vintage arp 2600 is known for clicky envelope.
wow, the odyssey beats the 2600 in every patch but the fast percussive ones
It seems that both can happily coexist since they have different strengths and possibilities. 👍🏻👍🏻
The natural question being, how would original odyssey and 2600 sound compared to one another in a similar manner?
The Odyssey doesn't "beat" the 2600. They are vastly different instruments. I love them both for exactly that reason. I think the Korg and Behringer versions pay decent respect to the originals, so I don't think the differences between the ARP versions would be much different.
@@larseikind666The Odyssey kicks the 2600's butt on most sounds.
@@liantrosretrospectiva4134 Can the Odyssey sound like a 2600? No? Point given and point taken. They are different instruments. My guitar also kicks my Casio keyboards ass when it comes to sounding like a guitar,
Forgive me, I (guitar player), who played in bands with both back in the 80's, but isn't the most significant difference between the two Arp originals that 3rd oscillator on the 2600?
And if I remember correctly, didn't the 2600 Lfo (with its controls on the keyboard) self oscillate as well, unlike the Odyssey lfo? (could be wrong there, it was a long time ago). Goddamn love those sounds tho!
There's nothing else quite like 3 Arp oscillators going slightly out of tune from one another near the end of a hot sweaty night in a club to define PHAT!
Oh, and to leave you with a modern story - we put a B2600 thru a Leslie just weeks ago - go ahead and weep mofos, it was THAT good! 🤣🤣🤣 (ok, we did make sure the sequence was within Hammondish ranges....)
Having a third VCO in the 2600 is of course a big difference but also having so many patch points that the 2600 is sometimes more powerful than some modular systems. As far as I can remember, the LFO in my ARP keyboard didn’t go up to audio range.
Leslie… 😍😍
Behringer 2600 filter 1 vs 2 - pure Chinese marketing gimmick - absolutely no difference - buy a KORG
The B2600 filters are not the same, but the difference is only clear with high resonance and deep modulation, which is not showed in this video. Hence the almost identical sound of both filters here. Too bad that Behringer didn’t put Odyssey’s filters on the B2600. Not historically correct, but it would have been an incredible feature and selling point imho.
China didn't design the filters, nor did they create the marketing... what on earth are you talking about???
Isn’t Behringer a German company 🤔
@@fredmickins and don’t they also tend to design most things in England as well?
Read some history... the original filter had to be modified due to complaints of copyright infringement by Moog. The modified filter was therefore "just different enough" to pass muster. Did they "need" to include both (since they are similar), perhaps not. But, your appraisal of them and their origin couldn't be more off.