Governor: "You kill or you die, or you die and you kill." For many reasons we expected a huge battle and it didn't happen. In our heads, it was going to be lots of death, leave the prison, back on the road with an even smaller group... But we think that's the strength of the writers, now we have a whole new path opened which is totally unknown. One of the best scenes, or at least a scene that raises again moral questions, was Rick and Carl. After all he's been through at such a young age, can we blame Carl for seeing things the way he does? And finally a small disappointement on how Andrea died but we find a little comfort that we didn't see a governor torture scene... We appreciate guys all your support, so don't forget to hit that subscribe button, it really motivates us to keep up the content. And of course if you are interested in the full reaction, you can find us here : www.patreon.com/takeaticket (you can find Rob doing solo reaction to Battlestar Galactica, and the latest records of the current shows we are doing on youtube) Much love Rob and Trin
On Talking Dead (live talk show about TWD aired after the episode) in the old days they have a question and at the end they show the results of it. The question for this one was should have Carl killed that Woodbury guy? The results were 50/50 and it broke a lot of peoples faith in humanity
Dale and Andrea were written out of the series because of disagreements and disputes with the producer. After this season, he was fired. An unpleasant, stupidly written ending for Andrea. Everything felt stupid and out of character as far as Andrea was concerned. In the comic, she lives until the end and even she comes together with Rick.
Rob, just an FYI ...the SS symbol on the petrol tank does not mean Merle was a bigot. Nazi iconography was (and still is) used among some 1%ers (Hells Angels and other MC clubs) as the equivalent of flipping the middle finger to middle class America. The bike is a chopped vintage Triumph Scrambler, a classic Hells Angels bike and the SS symbol does not indicate racism or bigotry, it's simply an anti-establishment shock icon, popular among bikers in the 50's (just 5 years post WWII). It's symbolism is still understood among bikers, but perhaps it's less relevant 80 years after the war ...although they might argue it has had the desired effect on you mate. ;) :D Other Nazi icons are used too, the skull and crossbones is actually part of the HE logo. In Merle's case, is doesnt tell us anything about him or his politics, other than he was a member of a Motorcycle Club that took itself seriously. Remember, in the 50's-70's the Nazi icons were not synonymous with racism ...they were just understood to be symbols of terror and that is why they were used by bikers who wanted to display their contempt for middle class America. Merle may or may not be an ignorant, raging bigot ...but it has nothing to do with his bike. The show writers knew the icon would be understood by most Americans. Swastikas, Iron Crosses, German helmets etc were all popular Hells Angels paraphernalia in Merle's era.
If Carl ever became Too Far Gone, there’d be No Way Out for anyone. Everything will be Made to Suffer. Truly No Sanctuary for anyone. It would take Acts of God to stop him.
Andrea's death was made at the last minute, the writer wanted an impactful death and threw the character into the fire. She would easily go into season eight but the script sank her into this blindness with the governor. A shame to have lost her so early in the plot, she had so much potential 😪
@@indigomoon4991 I think the best change in the show, and I really don’t like many of them, was richonne, so I don’t agree entirely, but! I definitely think they could have done more with Andrea, they really messed up her character tho
I love when Rick looks up at the bridge at the end and doesn’t see Lori (where he previously saw her) Lori always appeared when he was making the wrong decision such as kicking out Tyreese’s group and gathering the wire to tie up Michonne and deliver her to the Governor. He is making the right decision by letting the citizens of Woodbury live in the prison and he doesn’t see Lori appear this time I love that.
I still think it DOES in fact actually fit quite well with what we see of Andrea this entire season, where she keeps hesitating in the most important moments. That even in her final moments, she keeps hesitating for one reason or another. It's even been a part of her character from day one, hesitation, doubt, wanting to just straight up kill herself. I just think it's the price she paid for never truly learning to get over that and be more decisive. And then the few moments where she WAS more decisive, it was her wanting to die. Or her shooting Daryl. I also think that you should really take a closer look at Carl, because I strongly feel like he's losing it. His way of looking at things at this point, if you'd do that, you might as well ask yourself: "Why not just kill everyone?" because that is basically what he's saying. The kid was lowering his weapon slowly, because that's what you do, to show that you're not making any sudden moves and that your weapon is clearly visible. Nto to mention the kid was absolutely bricking it with how terrified he was. He surrendered clearly though and Carl shot him and showed literally zero remorse for it whatsoever. He even seemed proud of it. I'm still REALLY loving the reactions. I just wanted to give my take on it, especially without going into any spoilers or whatever of course.
Mm to me i think carl was valid to shoot him, to me the kid didnt seem to put the gun down, he kept coming closer as if he wanted to try to catch him off guard or something.
I agree. The boy was holding his hands up in surrender. And was handing the gun over to Herschel. If he tried anything Carl would have shit him, he wasnt gonna take that chance. He was scared. And I'm pretty sure that was the boy that Karen stood up for. The kids were following orders. They weren't trained. He was running away.....he didn't want to be there.
I like him in the show (in fact, the Carl centric episode next season is one of my favorites of season 4), but both him and Andrea are way better in the comics.
@@Rknowles813 Mainly because his actor is not only good enough to act out most of his scenes, he's also like double Carl's age. Sadly they can't accelerate filming to have Carl remain like 8 years old. So a lot of the moody, reckless stuff he does won't work as well in a few seasons. In season 3 he was at his best IMO
@@denisucuuu I would argue he’s at his strongest in season 4. He finally gets some personal character growth and becomes more than just the kid in he group
the non-cliffhanger is actually more of a 'what will happen next' type ending than the traditional cliffhanger. because it leaves you with no clue as to what is coming. a sort of 'turn the page' type ending. basically expanding the TWD universe. good job guys. (p.s. i can fully understand your, let's say, confusion and/or frustration about this type of ending, but for those of us that did have to wait months for the next episode it was tedious speculation.)
"Morales" is the name of the guy that took off with his family. Oh and Maggie and Beth are half sisters. They had different moms. Everything means something. Don't forget 😉
Trin: "I guess the prison did its' time." You've GOT to have a writer helping you with these. Nice job as always friends. Kids are back to school in Central Iowa, USA!
~Trin, that was a pin I didn't expect to make 😅 Thank you Jim for all you lovely comments, and good luck to kids with school. Much love from both of us
Can't believe you already finished Season 3 considering the pilot episode didn't seem that long ago. Can't wait for you to react to the final seasons but at the same time, I'll miss it.
I definitely understand the disdain for Andrea but I always thought her characters ending was very well done she just wanted to save everyone and it’s very admirable. Season 4 is an absolute rollercoaster I can’t wait for you guys to watch some of my fav episodes from that season!
I remember being disappointed with the fight scene in this episode but the big cliff hanger is the fact that the Governor is still alive and everyone at the time was pretty sure we hadn't seen the last of him. The summer speculation was what would the Governor do next in response to his loss. One strength of the show is they don't completely follow the predictable mid season and finale formulas by always putting biggest cliff hangers or deaths. Don't get me wrong, there are some amazing cliff hangers to come in finales but they also slip sometimes more powerful shows in on non finales. Like they did with Lori:s death. You still expect something powerful on the finale but sometimes it seems like a set-up for the next season.
I wonder what Rob and Trim think the Governor will do. Will he go to the mountains and live in peace and tranquility? Will he seem revenge and if so how?
Man, a decade ago this season aired on TV. I miss those days. The Walking Dead has come so far and it's been a great show from start to finish. I'm really happy to see people, including you guys, still reacting to the show this day, and I can't wait for you guys to see what's coming. :) ALSO, I want to voice my opinion on Carl gunning down one of the Governor's people. He was told to drop the gun, and instead inched toward them and slowly started to point it downwards towards Carl and Hershel, it's very subtle, but it's there. Regardless, he was told to drop the gun. I will point out that he DID look scared, but there was also something in his eyes that told me otherwise, and you can see in one of the camera views up until the kill, that the gun is slowly being turned towards Carl. He could have easily dropped in a second, but refused.
Laurie Holden Andreas actress originally signed up for an eight season contract I think it was like two weeks before they filmed this episode that she found out she was getting killed off.
Good season guys. The story line for season 4 takes a slight turn from the comics but turns back by the finale. You should really read them if you have any free time. They just rereleased them in full color this past year. The governor is way scarier and much more evil
100% regarding Merle. He reminded me of a dog that needed to be tamed, Instead he was let off it's leash/lead..and paid the price. Morales was the guy who left with his family in season 1. Andrea story arc I thought was badly written. Yes was annoying. But to go out the way she did, was shambles, when she can hold her own. Season 4 is crazy season.
Merle death was last minute they wrote it in at the last minute same with Andrea. Andrea was going to make it to season 9 or 10 but they cut her short.
TWD has some of the best music in their soundtrack on TV. Check out “Oats on the water” and “ Blackbird”!! Awesome!! And no……Andrea did NOT try. She was desperate to have little bit of normalcy in her life. So she kept looking the other way. But there is no “normal” in the “Zombie Apocalypse “.
hi guys, great reaction 😊 on to season 4 now 😁regarding your question on how Andrea couldn't handle walker Milton when she's proven quite capable, here's my thoughts: 1. She's been tied to that chair for who knows how long? hours? maybe a day or two? Imagine being chained to a chair without being able to stretch, walk or eat drink (I'm sure she was given the bare minimum to survive). her energy levels/reflexes will be way off. 2. Milton just turned, it's not really touched on in the show directly but walkers that just turned still have muscle and tissue so are faster, more energetic and overall more dangerous than walkers that have been rotting away for a while. 3. The writers wanted her to die so no plot armor 🤣
20:23 yes, you are correct Rob. In the comics, she’s definitely one of the most important characters in the story, going all the way to what would be equivalent to season 11 in the show.
So yes regarding Andrea they tried to surprise viewers with killing off Andrea, and for one specific reason from the comics could be found surprising BUT! Honestly the entire Woodbury arc felt like she was gonna get it at any moment especially with her proximity to the governor, so not that surprising when it did finally happen. It could be because I knew she’d die but I have a very strong strong sense of self preservation .
I really love that the season ends on a shot of a cross, right after showing that Rick wasn't seeing Lori anymore. I feel like it implies that Rick was finally able to say goodbye to Lori
Don't worry about the battles/wars there are obviously going to be some amazing ones later on! But the writing is very unpredictable in the first 6-7 seasons making it extremely fun to follow! Just wondering what is your favourite season so far?
We just started season4 and it feels like it's going to be amazing, but yeah we thought about our favourite season so far and tbh with you we couldn't pick one 😅
@@robtrinreact2825 Wow! 😂 All I have to say without spoiling anything is that your gonna be in for some exciting episodes this season, some of the most iconic moments on TV are found here in season 4 and in the following seasons! Keep them amazing reactions coming!! And your right, season 4 is amazing! Especially in the first half and at the end! Your going to love it!
Andrea's death has always been the hardest for me as well as Merle's. It gets harder tho as the seasons go on. so good I get to rewatch the seasons with you guys tho, its so good seeing your reactions and poor Trin, I loved Andrea too 😢
I think it was amazing that Beth was her mom. She even said she always wanted to be a mom. And the kid had a shotgun, with no skills to operate it really, he couldnt shoot it with one hand. He was 100% surrendering. He was just a scared boy.
15:02 I love that The Governor stopped and gave him a chance to do it. He was so sadistic he let it sink in that the man was such a coward (in his mind, nmo) he couldn't even save his own life by taking another.
Some fun trivia for you. With Andrea killed off, the actress for Carol is the only one of four actors left in TWD that was in the 2007 Stephen King film The Mist. The first was Sam Witwer who was the tank zombie in the first episode of the series, second was Jeffrey DeMunn aka Dale.
The fact that Hershal warned Rick that he'd regret rejecting Tyrese and his group, and it actually saved the governor causing all the events after. All because Rick started freaking out and ignored Hershals advice.
After re-watching this show, I realized what Lori represents - she represents paranoia/ being dependent on your family. Lori's "ghost" always appeared when Rick was making decisions based on paranoia about losing more people - kicking out Tyreese's group, potentially giving up Michonne. These are decisions that Shane would have made, because Shane never cared about anyone other than Lori and Carl. If the whole group of survivors had to die to save Carl/Lori, Shane would have made it happen. That was always the difference between Rick and Shane, and the reason why Lori came between them. Lori always had to share Rick with other people, whereas she had Shane all to herself. She needed someone who would put her first. The problem is, Lori loved Rick. If Lori had chosen Shane, she would probably have lived. But they would probably be alone in the forest somewhere on borrowed time, with limited resources and enemies everywhere. You need a group to survive in this world, and Shane is not a leader. Rick is the opposite - he's a leader/protector of humanity as a whole. Lori and Carl were his priority, but not at the expense of the group. Ultimately, Lori was too dependent on Rick and she needed to realize that Rick would never give up his humanity for her.
There’s a GREAT theory that Lori was beckoning Rick out of the prison, because she knew what would happen. Each time she would get further and further from the prison as if beckoning him away, to leave….
I still miss Andrea she was never meant to die in the finale the showrunner Glenn Mazzara who obviously didn’t know what to do with her just decided to kill her off for shock value which I thought was a dumb idea I was happy they fired him for that the actress Laurie Holden admitted that she hated how they wrote her character in Season 3 plus she admitted what happened with Andrea’s death behind the scenes she is still alive in the comics at this point and Andrea and Rick end up together in the comics Andrea was originally gonna make it to Season 8 but sadly what happened behind the scenes towards the end of this Season prevented that from happening today I still think killing her off was an awful decision and still to this day I still miss Andrea.
She was gonna make it to the finale of season 10, where she dies in the comics (pretty much the equivalent of ep 16). Not season 8, because she lives past that. The actress said 8 more seasons, not season 8
Trin crying is me everytime I watch this episode. This finale is also one of my favorites. Most of TWD finals are high energy or cliffhangers. This one ended peacefully and it’s kinda what was needed after a crazy season like season 3.
I miss Andrea so much. She always meant well and just didn't make the right decisions fast enough. :( Looking forward to seeing you guys get through season 4. One of my favorite episodes is in that season.
I remember watching this and thinking “Jeez, Andrea, can’t you multi-task?!” Her just sitting there talking was aggravating. Milton going from thinking there’s something left of the person, to telling her to stab him in the head. He really stepped up in the end. Great reaction, as usual!
I have always agreed on what Carl did. "No loose ends" he did what he had to do. Telling this to your dad at such a critical juncture shows Carl is a badass and wise upon his years!!
@@marthapackard8649 maybe he was dropping the gun, but I think Carl learned his lesson on the walker he didn't kill and that same walker killed Dale. But yeah you especially can't let the living get away.
honestly I feel like Andrea has been pretty consistent as a character throughout the show, she showed both sides, a rational and competent one, and a naive silly one, she showed both perfectly back in S1 when her sister died she almost got herself killed there but managed to get it done in the end, this time though she just couldnt handle the stress and it got the best of her, but thats good that she was a flawed character, makes you actually think about her in more than one way :)
Even if this final doesn’t have a cliffhanger it is full of emotion. Andrea is a controversial character . the fact that she didn’t see the dark side of the governor is all about what she went through (Amy death, her desire of end her life, dale) he was like her last hope(I do not excuse the fact that she left behind her friend that saved her life) but she tried her best . Season 3 is awesome you are not ready for season 4 !!
Holy crap I loved this episode and I was waiting for yalls reaction fervently. This is by far the most traumatic and shocking episode so far in the series. Many more to come guys, VERY SOON.
yea Andreas death was pushed she was supposed to go on longer and stuff and in the comics she stays alive longer and other stuff same with dale in season 2
Originally Andrea was going to survive this finale and end up being the new leader of Woodbury. Since the actress had already signed on for a 7 season contract and her character was a big name in the comics, later becoming Rick's wife and Carl's step mother, the fans assumed she would be fine. But then Glen Mazzara, the showrunner for half of Season 2 and Season 3 decided to kill her off literally just for the shock factor at the last minute of production, preventing any redemption of her character in the eyes of the fans and it ended up being part of the reason why he was then fired from the show/left. It was also reported that he clashed creatively with the comic's creator Robert Kirkman who is also an executive producer for the series.
Unlike most I actually loved Andrea and was gutted she was killed off Season 4 has some great character development and plots and I’d have loved to have seen her growth I liked how the small piano jingle that played during her death was also the same music as Dale’s death theme uniting them Andrea’s final words of I tried not only means she tried to prevent the Governor and Prison war but she also tried at life instead of just committing suicide She died now she had purpose to save Woodbury It was sad to lose 2 original female characters in one season both Lori and Andrea whom both died never having killed another human being ultimately making them some of the most innocent characters to die and still holding on to some of their humanity.
@@robtrinreact2825 ahaha Rob you’re right about how they wrote Andrea this episode. It was because of the change in showrunners and rushed writing after they committed to the previous showrunners idea. But atleast you both don’t have to worry about that. Season 4s showrunner sticks with us till the end and oversees everything lol
Andreas death was apprently VERY last minute. She was supposed to survive but the showrunner killed her last minute and I remember the acress and some folks behind the scenes not being happy. The show really screwed up the character but more than that, they didn't exactly respect the actress. Funnily enough, the showrunner was replaced for season 4, with a showrunner who wrote some of the best episodes of seasons 2 and 3 and went on to helm seasons a lot of fans like quite a bit, for awhile at least. "Well I had an 8 year deal, I was supposed to be there until the end. I was supposed to end up with Rick. I was supposed to save Woodbury on a horse, and I was buying a house in Atlanta. I got the call at 10 o’ clock the night before, while I was shooting, from the show runner who is no longer a part of The Walking Dead, saying that they couldn’t write the episode and that he was killing my character. So we all got the script everybody on the set was sobbing. I felt like I got shot. None of it was supposed to happen the way it did."
I don't see when Andrea showed any good intuition this season or the previous... she fell for Shane, then after spending several months with Michonne who saved her life, she gives up on her immediately after meeting the Governor, even though Michonne tells her he is a bad guy and Merle works for him, then she stays with the Governor after she finds out that her old friends are fighting against him, after finding out that Shane is dead, her intuition tells her that Rick is bad, she doesn't kill the Governor when she has the chance, she tries to negotiate peace, even though it would be clear to anyone with a good intuition that that's not possible, then she doesn't kill him again, then she has long conversations with a person that is about to turn to a walker and dies because of it
This is such a good episode! And you both are spot on with your comments during the video. Milton stood up to the Governor. And Milton paid the ultimate price for doing so. Andrea, didn't want any more people in either group to die, she could've been a leader. And although Andrea's character was confounding at times, she was a valuable member of the group.Season 4 is so amazing! I wish I could binge watch your TWD reaction videos, because I enjoy hearing your take on the episodes so much! But, I will have to wait until Sunday to see your next video! See you on Sunday!👍
Also, when you say the writers "fucked her character" The actress had an 8 season contract with the show, but they wanted to use her death as a major shock for the season finale. Thus the akward writing for her character, as they adjusted her story arc from what it was, to inevitably dying in the finale here. In the comic she goes on for quite along while longer and has a rather large story, so naturally people were quite upset when she died.
@@RicketyRooster you may be right, it's been so long now, hard to remember exact details, I just remember it being a shock because her having a big contract was rather Public for some reason.
It's true, the writers did Andrea dirty. While she was frustrating, she deserved better. And she was originally on for an 8 season deal. The actress was shocked when she got killed in season 3, breaking the contract.
It was pretty sad to see Andrea never got her comic book counterpart. She is much more badass in the comics and survives much more longer as well. After Lori died in the comics, Andrea eventually falls in love with Rick and they’re together for a while until her actual death later on. Love seeing y’all’s reaction to a series I adore so much
You guys are so good with what's going to happen. You guys are calling it every time. You got it with Milton trying to kill the governor then Andrea dying. I agree that the part with Andrea in the chair was extremely frustrating. The fact that she kept stopping. She got her hand free. She very well could have killed him. I wish they would have shown it. You guys will love S4. The fact that you don't have to wait once a week or 3 dang months is going to make S4 even better than when I originally watched it. Can't wait ☺️
You two are really running through the seasons can't believe you are already on season 4 still lots of twists and turns to come. Look forward to all the reactions allong the way.
Oh also Ben. The kid that blocked Merle's shot of the governor was also the body Merle was eating when Daryl found him as a walker. 😊 Yes I'm rewatching ☺️
Completely agree with writers failing Andrea, The Actress had been told she would be in it for the long run and had just bought a home nearby where they are filming just to be told they are killing her off, in the end they just gave her comic story to another Actress.
Even if I feel like she had so much potential, it was really interesting watching the episodes as it came out bc it was still early seasons and losing an OG person was so significant at least for me. Like bc it was an OG person and she was at the crosshairs of the battle, it kinda made up for it. I wouldn’t imagine anyone else really taking the hit but I agree I feel like some things were out of character but her flaws were also part of her character. Having an OG die makes u feel like any person can die in a way and there’s that fear like where could they take each character 😮😂
What sucks is that Andrea was one of the most important characters in the comics. Moving forward, various different characters are going to get traits from comic Andrea, in terms of personality, skills, and overall importance to the story.
When this first aired, most fans were not sad that Andrea bit the dust. To this day, she is the most disliked character of the good guys. A lot of shows have the "stupid character", someone who at every turn makes the wrong decision. After the CDC, when did Andrea make the right decision....almost never. Blamed Dale for her living, shot Darrell, slept with Shane and didn't see his dangerous side, believed in Woodbury, believed in the Gov., had a chance to take him out twice and didn't, blamed Rick and the gang for some of the trouble. I wasn't sad to see her go.
For me that's a finale that aged well. There was a lot of disappointment at the time with everyone saying the assault on the prison was too quick and the absence of a clear cliffhanger was the cause of much criticism (a complaint that will seem hugely ironic sometime down the line), but watching it years later I don't feel any of that. For a start, it feels weird to complain about the lack of action in an episode that must have one of the largest body counts of any in the show. Andrea gets the tragic end that's been coming ever since she got separated from the group when the farm fell, the Governor turns out to be more of a threat to his own people than to ours and we're going to have to keep an eye on Carl because Hershel's concerns are not unreasonable. I particularly like how they handled that - by seeing Carl take the shot without the kid he killed in the frame we can't know for sure whether Hershel is right. Did he Carl see movement that gave him a reason to shoot? I will say, in relation to Andrea's struggle with the pliers, I can see how it feels like we feel the heavy hand of the writers there, but to be fair to Andrea we don't know how long she's been in that chair. At least overnight, surely. I'm assuming the Governor hasn't fed her or given her water. And before that she came from a harrowing chase across the unknown number of miles between Woodbury and the prison (it seems unlikely she got any sleep in the boot (trunk) of Phil's car on the way back to Woodbury). Plus, even at that stage, it's still not easy to watch someone you once trusted (loved?) murder a friend of yours in cold blood, or to sit with that friend as they slowly bleed to death. Plenty of reason for her not to be on her full game. (I remember on the original airing the large number of people who were convinced had they been in her place they'd have easily grabbed those pliers and been out of there in no time. it seemed to me then - and still does now - that there is a lack of empathy and a great deal of over-confidence in that belief. The questions are always harder when you're under the lights and the camera is rolling...)
part of the appeal for Andrea of being with the Governor is his authority like she wanted to be Woodburys First Lady. I believe part of her was jealous of Lori being with the leader of the original group.
A recently turned Walker is by far the strongest no decomposition of the muscle body or brain fully meaning they are able to exert greater amount of force and they were able to as a human like when you’re drunk most of your pain receptors are killed that’s why they were able to rip flesh from body
I really think you guys should start reading the graphic novels to see how the story arcs of certain characters differed... Andrea in the comics is a totally different character, for instance. Even though I really grew to hate Andrea while watching the show, I thought that they did a great job of finally redeeming her.
TWD creator Robert Kirkman, wanted the comic book and the TV show to be separate franchise's. In the comic, Andrea would eventually hook up with Rick, becoming an apocholytic couple! To actress Laurie Holden's disappointment, the show runners did not go with the comic book version. In 2007, just three years before TWD premier, Andrea, Dale and Carol would appear in the Stephen King horror: The Mist. Small world. RIP Season 3!
Governor: "You kill or you die, or you die and you kill."
For many reasons we expected a huge battle and it didn't happen. In our heads, it was going to be lots of death, leave the prison, back on the road with an even smaller group...
But we think that's the strength of the writers, now we have a whole new path opened which is totally unknown.
One of the best scenes, or at least a scene that raises again moral questions, was Rick and Carl. After all he's been through at such a young age, can we blame Carl for seeing things the way he does?
And finally a small disappointement on how Andrea died but we find a little comfort that we didn't see a governor torture scene...
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On Talking Dead (live talk show about TWD aired after the episode) in the old days they have a question and at the end they show the results of it. The question for this one was should have Carl killed that Woodbury guy? The results were 50/50 and it broke a lot of peoples faith in humanity
Dale and Andrea were written out of the series because of disagreements and disputes with the producer. After this season, he was fired. An unpleasant, stupidly written ending for Andrea. Everything felt stupid and out of character as far as Andrea was concerned. In the comic, she lives until the end and even she comes together with Rick.
andrea is alive in the COMICS WAY LONGER lol
Morales i think took off with his family, pretty sure it was morales.
Rob, just an FYI ...the SS symbol on the petrol tank does not mean Merle was a bigot. Nazi iconography was (and still is) used among some 1%ers (Hells Angels and other MC clubs) as the equivalent of flipping the middle finger to middle class America. The bike is a chopped vintage Triumph Scrambler, a classic Hells Angels bike and the SS symbol does not indicate racism or bigotry, it's simply an anti-establishment shock icon, popular among bikers in the 50's (just 5 years post WWII). It's symbolism is still understood among bikers, but perhaps it's less relevant 80 years after the war ...although they might argue it has had the desired effect on you mate. ;) :D
Other Nazi icons are used too, the skull and crossbones is actually part of the HE logo. In Merle's case, is doesnt tell us anything about him or his politics, other than he was a member of a Motorcycle Club that took itself seriously. Remember, in the 50's-70's the Nazi icons were not synonymous with racism ...they were just understood to be symbols of terror and that is why they were used by bikers who wanted to display their contempt for middle class America.
Merle may or may not be an ignorant, raging bigot ...but it has nothing to do with his bike. The show writers knew the icon would be understood by most Americans. Swastikas, Iron Crosses, German helmets etc were all popular Hells Angels paraphernalia in Merle's era.
This episode actually marks the first time Carl is shown killing living people. That is why Hershel was so concern about his mental state of mind
Hershel didn't want to see Carl too far gone
Passive spoiler
If Carl ever became Too Far Gone, there’d be No Way Out for anyone. Everything will be Made to Suffer. Truly No Sanctuary for anyone. It would take Acts of God to stop him.
@@bradcarver8127 LOL This has me dead
@@bradcarver8127 love this lmfaooo
michonne: u could've just taken the formula
rick: must have been something else then
love this line
Andrea's death was made at the last minute, the writer wanted an impactful death and threw the character into the fire. She would easily go into season eight but the script sank her into this blindness with the governor. A shame to have lost her so early in the plot, she had so much potential 😪
I'll say. Considering she was meant to get with Rick n step up as Carl's step mom. I still feel bad for her.
@@indigomoon4991 You can't have two white people dating anymore. That's racist.
@@indigomoon4991 "meant to"? Or are you sticking with the comics as a barometer.
@@indigomoon4991 I think the best change in the show, and I really don’t like many of them, was richonne, so I don’t agree entirely, but! I definitely think they could have done more with Andrea, they really messed up her character tho
@@indigomoon4991i would’ve hated that lmfao. richonne was one of the best changes ever
I love when Rick looks up at the bridge at the end and doesn’t see Lori (where he previously saw her) Lori always appeared when he was making the wrong decision such as kicking out Tyreese’s group and gathering the wire to tie up Michonne and deliver her to the Governor.
He is making the right decision by letting the citizens of Woodbury live in the prison and he doesn’t see Lori appear this time I love that.
Rick meant it’s easy to forget that Carl is still a kid not that kids easily forget.
I can't wait to see you guys reacting to the 4th season!!! One of my favorites! Lots of love from Brazil!
Imo, seasons 3-6 are the peak of the series.
Eh nossss , brasil aqui
Hello Vivian!! we can't wait to share s4 reaction.
Much love from both of us
Reunião BR. ✌🏻
@@Tyler_W Agree 100%
I still think it DOES in fact actually fit quite well with what we see of Andrea this entire season, where she keeps hesitating in the most important moments. That even in her final moments, she keeps hesitating for one reason or another. It's even been a part of her character from day one, hesitation, doubt, wanting to just straight up kill herself. I just think it's the price she paid for never truly learning to get over that and be more decisive. And then the few moments where she WAS more decisive, it was her wanting to die. Or her shooting Daryl.
I also think that you should really take a closer look at Carl, because I strongly feel like he's losing it. His way of looking at things at this point, if you'd do that, you might as well ask yourself: "Why not just kill everyone?" because that is basically what he's saying. The kid was lowering his weapon slowly, because that's what you do, to show that you're not making any sudden moves and that your weapon is clearly visible. Nto to mention the kid was absolutely bricking it with how terrified he was. He surrendered clearly though and Carl shot him and showed literally zero remorse for it whatsoever. He even seemed proud of it.
I'm still REALLY loving the reactions. I just wanted to give my take on it, especially without going into any spoilers or whatever of course.
Mm to me i think carl was valid to shoot him, to me the kid didnt seem to put the gun down, he kept coming closer as if he wanted to try to catch him off guard or something.
I agree. The boy was holding his hands up in surrender. And was handing the gun over to Herschel. If he tried anything Carl would have shit him, he wasnt gonna take that chance. He was scared. And I'm pretty sure that was the boy that Karen stood up for. The kids were following orders. They weren't trained. He was running away.....he didn't want to be there.
While I still love Carl in the show, he’s definitely better in the comics. In that he’s actually my favorite character
I like him in the show (in fact, the Carl centric episode next season is one of my favorites of season 4), but both him and Andrea are way better in the comics.
@@Tyler_W Yeah, but Carol and Daryl are WAY better in the show than in the comics. :D (Yes, I know Daryl isn't in the comics. lol.)
@@Rknowles813 Mainly because his actor is not only good enough to act out most of his scenes, he's also like double Carl's age. Sadly they can't accelerate filming to have Carl remain like 8 years old. So a lot of the moody, reckless stuff he does won't work as well in a few seasons. In season 3 he was at his best IMO
@@denisucuuu I would argue he’s at his strongest in season 4. He finally gets some personal character growth and becomes more than just the kid in he group
the non-cliffhanger is actually more of a 'what will happen next' type ending than the traditional cliffhanger. because it leaves you with no clue as to what is coming. a sort of 'turn the page' type ending. basically expanding the TWD universe. good job guys. (p.s. i can fully understand your, let's say, confusion and/or frustration about this type of ending, but for those of us that did have to wait months for the next episode it was tedious speculation.)
It ended up being worth it. I mean.... Well that's all I can say. But you know what I mean
"Morales" is the name of the guy that took off with his family. Oh and Maggie and Beth are half sisters. They had different moms. Everything means something. Don't forget 😉
lol yea. Some of the things they say I"m like "ooh don't forget you asked that!"
@@Sabrina.682 YES!!!!
I love how frequent you guys keep dropping these, Big respect and love to you both
Me too! Living for it! See you all in a couple days!! ❤️ Much love TWDU family!! 🙃
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We love the show and everytime we are so excited to put our reaction on youtube to interact with you guys
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@@robtrinreact2825 guys there are quite a few spoilers in here. Hope you have aone way of avoiding them
Great review 👏...can't wait for Sunday when yall start season 4 things are definitely ramping up and it just gets better an better!!!
Trin: "I guess the prison did its' time." You've GOT to have a writer helping you with these. Nice job as always friends. Kids are back to school in Central Iowa, USA!
~Trin, that was a pin I didn't expect to make 😅
Thank you Jim for all you lovely comments, and good luck to kids with school. Much love from both of us
needed this today, love this episode it really shows where our characters are at now in this world. Love you guys!!
Can't believe you already finished Season 3 considering the pilot episode didn't seem that long ago.
Can't wait for you to react to the final seasons but at the same time, I'll miss it.
Rip to the people the governor killed, rip to Milton and Andrea wished they survived longer
Trin always says “Yeah” and I love it
I definitely understand the disdain for Andrea but I always thought her characters ending was very well done she just wanted to save everyone and it’s very admirable. Season 4 is an absolute rollercoaster I can’t wait for you guys to watch some of my fav episodes from that season!
I remember being disappointed with the fight scene in this episode but the big cliff hanger is the fact that the Governor is still alive and everyone at the time was pretty sure we hadn't seen the last of him. The summer speculation was what would the Governor do next in response to his loss. One strength of the show is they don't completely follow the predictable mid season and finale formulas by always putting biggest cliff hangers or deaths. Don't get me wrong, there are some amazing cliff hangers to come in finales but they also slip sometimes more powerful shows in on non finales. Like they did with Lori:s death. You still expect something powerful on the finale but sometimes it seems like a set-up for the next season.
I wonder what Rob and Trim think the Governor will do. Will he go to the mountains and live in peace and tranquility? Will he seem revenge and if so how?
Man, a decade ago this season aired on TV. I miss those days. The Walking Dead has come so far and it's been a great show from start to finish. I'm really happy to see people, including you guys, still reacting to the show this day, and I can't wait for you guys to see what's coming. :)
ALSO, I want to voice my opinion on Carl gunning down one of the Governor's people. He was told to drop the gun, and instead inched toward them and slowly started to point it downwards towards Carl and Hershel, it's very subtle, but it's there. Regardless, he was told to drop the gun. I will point out that he DID look scared, but there was also something in his eyes that told me otherwise, and you can see in one of the camera views up until the kill, that the gun is slowly being turned towards Carl. He could have easily dropped in a second, but refused.
~Trin, yeah I saw that aswell about the guy, I don't know why he didn't just drop the gun straight away
@@robtrinreact2825 I feel like he was going to eventually try and overpower Carl and Hershel, it wouldn't have been hard.
Laurie Holden Andreas actress originally signed up for an eight season contract I think it was like two weeks before they filmed this episode that she found out she was getting killed off.
Good season guys. The story line for season 4 takes a slight turn from the comics but turns back by the finale. You should really read them if you have any free time. They just rereleased them in full color this past year. The governor is way scarier and much more evil
100% regarding Merle. He reminded me of a dog that needed to be tamed, Instead he was let off it's leash/lead..and paid the price.
Morales was the guy who left with his family in season 1.
Andrea story arc I thought was badly written. Yes was annoying. But to go out the way she did, was shambles, when she can hold her own.
Season 4 is crazy season.
Season 4´s first half is so boring imo
@@adamparker3151 nah ur dumb mate the first half is wayyyy better then the second
MORALES. That's the season 1 guy who left with his family. And the daughter gave Sophia the doll Daryll found.
Merle death was last minute they wrote it in at the last minute same with Andrea. Andrea was going to make it to season 9 or 10 but they cut her short.
TWD has some of the best music in their soundtrack on TV. Check out “Oats on the water” and “ Blackbird”!! Awesome!! And no……Andrea did NOT try. She was desperate to have little bit of normalcy in her life. So she kept looking the other way. But there is no “normal” in the “Zombie Apocalypse “.
Oats on the Water became a favorite of mine.
Yes, the music is fantastic in this show. The songs and music background come in at the right time and just evoke a feeling that matches the scene.
oats in the water is such a fucking tune
In Germany the episodes have often completely different titles. This one for example is called "Stirb und tote" which translates to "Die and Kill".
Oh interesting, just what the governor thinks^^
hi guys, great reaction 😊 on to season 4 now 😁regarding your question on how Andrea couldn't handle walker Milton when she's proven quite capable, here's my thoughts:
1. She's been tied to that chair for who knows how long? hours? maybe a day or two? Imagine being chained to a chair without being able to stretch, walk or eat drink (I'm sure she was given the bare minimum to survive). her energy levels/reflexes will be way off.
2. Milton just turned, it's not really touched on in the show directly but walkers that just turned still have muscle and tissue so are faster, more energetic and overall more dangerous than walkers that have been rotting away for a while.
3. The writers wanted her to die so no plot armor 🤣
20:23 yes, you are correct Rob. In the comics, she’s definitely one of the most important characters in the story, going all the way to what would be equivalent to season 11 in the show.
So yes regarding Andrea they tried to surprise viewers with killing off Andrea, and for one specific reason from the comics could be found surprising BUT! Honestly the entire Woodbury arc felt like she was gonna get it at any moment especially with her proximity to the governor, so not that surprising when it did finally happen. It could be because I knew she’d die but I have a very strong strong sense of self preservation .
I really love that the season ends on a shot of a cross, right after showing that Rick wasn't seeing Lori anymore. I feel like it implies that Rick was finally able to say goodbye to Lori
Don't worry about the battles/wars there are obviously going to be some amazing ones later on! But the writing is very unpredictable in the first 6-7 seasons making it extremely fun to follow! Just wondering what is your favourite season so far?
We just started season4 and it feels like it's going to be amazing, but yeah we thought about our favourite season so far and tbh with you we couldn't pick one 😅
@@robtrinreact2825 Wow! 😂 All I have to say without spoiling anything is that your gonna be in for some exciting episodes this season, some of the most iconic moments on TV are found here in season 4 and in the following seasons! Keep them amazing reactions coming!!
And your right, season 4 is amazing! Especially in the first half and at the end! Your going to love it!
I’m so happy rn love you guys 😂❤️❤️
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Andrea's death has always been the hardest for me as well as Merle's. It gets harder tho as the seasons go on. so good I get to rewatch the seasons with you guys tho, its so good seeing your reactions and poor Trin, I loved Andrea too 😢
Fun Fact:
Season 3 started their 1st episode with an eye of a walker.
Season 3 started their last episode with the eye of the Governor.
The music from the ending scene of this episode is my favorite music of the entire series, it's so beautiful
I think Andreas character was written very good. She went dangerous route but her intensions were good, I liked it.
This episode is fantastic but Andrea taking so much time was making me crazy too.
I think it was amazing that Beth was her mom. She even said she always wanted to be a mom. And the kid had a shotgun, with no skills to operate it really, he couldnt shoot it with one hand. He was 100% surrendering. He was just a scared boy.
15:02 I love that The Governor stopped and gave him a chance to do it. He was so sadistic he let it sink in that the man was such a coward (in his mind, nmo) he couldn't even save his own life by taking another.
Some of the things you say make me look so forward to you watching future seasons. You're going to be so shocked.
Some fun trivia for you. With Andrea killed off, the actress for Carol is the only one of four actors left in TWD that was in the 2007 Stephen King film The Mist. The first was Sam Witwer who was the tank zombie in the first episode of the series, second was Jeffrey DeMunn aka Dale.
The fact that Hershal warned Rick that he'd regret rejecting Tyrese and his group, and it actually saved the governor causing all the events after. All because Rick started freaking out and ignored Hershals advice.
17:18 Carl Grimms Ladies and Gentlemen, His Legend Grows.
After re-watching this show, I realized what Lori represents - she represents paranoia/ being dependent on your family.
Lori's "ghost" always appeared when Rick was making decisions based on paranoia about losing more people - kicking out Tyreese's group, potentially giving up Michonne. These are decisions that Shane would have made, because Shane never cared about anyone other than Lori and Carl. If the whole group of survivors had to die to save Carl/Lori, Shane would have made it happen. That was always the difference between Rick and Shane, and the reason why Lori came between them. Lori always had to share Rick with other people, whereas she had Shane all to herself. She needed someone who would put her first. The problem is, Lori loved Rick. If Lori had chosen Shane, she would probably have lived. But they would probably be alone in the forest somewhere on borrowed time, with limited resources and enemies everywhere. You need a group to survive in this world, and Shane is not a leader. Rick is the opposite - he's a leader/protector of humanity as a whole. Lori and Carl were his priority, but not at the expense of the group. Ultimately, Lori was too dependent on Rick and she needed to realize that Rick would never give up his humanity for her.
There’s a GREAT theory that Lori was beckoning Rick out of the prison, because she knew what would happen. Each time she would get further and further from the prison as if beckoning him away, to leave….
I still miss Andrea she was never meant to die in the finale the showrunner Glenn Mazzara who obviously didn’t know what to do with her just decided to kill her off for shock value which I thought was a dumb idea I was happy they fired him for that the actress Laurie Holden admitted that she hated how they wrote her character in Season 3 plus she admitted what happened with Andrea’s death behind the scenes she is still alive in the comics at this point and Andrea and Rick end up together in the comics Andrea was originally gonna make it to Season 8 but sadly what happened behind the scenes towards the end of this Season prevented that from happening today I still think killing her off was an awful decision and still to this day I still miss Andrea.
She was gonna make it to the finale of season 10, where she dies in the comics (pretty much the equivalent of ep 16). Not season 8, because she lives past that. The actress said 8 more seasons, not season 8
You can absolutely argue with Carl's reasoning lol he could have asked again for him to specifically drop the gun the kid could've misunderstood.
Trin crying is me everytime I watch this episode. This finale is also one of my favorites. Most of TWD finals are high energy or cliffhangers. This one ended peacefully and it’s kinda what was needed after a crazy season like season 3.
I miss Andrea so much. She always meant well and just didn't make the right decisions fast enough. :(
Looking forward to seeing you guys get through season 4. One of my favorite episodes is in that season.
I remember watching this and thinking “Jeez, Andrea, can’t you multi-task?!” Her just sitting there talking was aggravating. Milton going from thinking there’s something left of the person, to telling her to stab him in the head. He really stepped up in the end. Great reaction, as usual!
Season 4 is my absolute favourite season of television ever
I have always agreed on what Carl did. "No loose ends" he did what he had to do. Telling this to your dad at such a critical juncture shows Carl is a badass and wise upon his years!!
I agree. I didn't think the kid was dropping his gun. He was hanging on to it and slowly approaching Carl. It was a definite red flag for me.
@@marthapackard8649 maybe he was dropping the gun, but I think Carl learned his lesson on the walker he didn't kill and that same walker killed Dale. But yeah you especially can't let the living get away.
Great reaction, I will be hear every time the walking dead reactions come, 6 months of reactions I will be here for years to come.
Y'all have my subscription!! I love this show, and it's been awesome to rewatch Lost with you guys as well as I haven't seen that show in years
On Trin's comment about the Governor winning the "body count" game:
Oh, bless your heart you dear thing.
Now keep counting.
honestly I feel like Andrea has been pretty consistent as a character throughout the show, she showed both sides, a rational and competent one, and a naive silly one, she showed both perfectly back in S1 when her sister died she almost got herself killed there but managed to get it done in the end, this time though she just couldnt handle the stress and it got the best of her, but thats good that she was a flawed character, makes you actually think about her in more than one way :)
I like how characters develop and change through episodes and events :(
Since now you know I can finally say it each boss as I called them in the beginning of this season each boss last 2 seasons haha
Even if this final doesn’t have a cliffhanger it is full of emotion. Andrea is a controversial character . the fact that she didn’t see the dark side of the governor is all about what she went through (Amy death, her desire of end her life, dale) he was like her last hope(I do not excuse the fact that she left behind her friend that saved her life) but she tried her best . Season 3 is awesome you are not ready for season 4 !!
Shout to meril! He took out 8 of the Governor's soldiers! In the big picture he helped out Rick's group!
Holy crap I loved this episode and I was waiting for yalls reaction fervently. This is by far the most traumatic and shocking episode so far in the series. Many more to come guys, VERY SOON.
An excellent season with a "meh" finale. And I am an Andrea apologist. I wanted her to make it 😔 she had such potential
Season 3 still to this day is still my favorite season of TWD
yea Andreas death was pushed she was supposed to go on longer and stuff and in the comics she stays alive longer and other stuff same with dale in season 2
Originally Andrea was going to survive this finale and end up being the new leader of Woodbury. Since the actress had already signed on for a 7 season contract and her character was a big name in the comics, later becoming Rick's wife and Carl's step mother, the fans assumed she would be fine. But then Glen Mazzara, the showrunner for half of Season 2 and Season 3 decided to kill her off literally just for the shock factor at the last minute of production, preventing any redemption of her character in the eyes of the fans and it ended up being part of the reason why he was then fired from the show/left. It was also reported that he clashed creatively with the comic's creator Robert Kirkman who is also an executive producer for the series.
Love How Sarah Wayne Callies (Lori) Is Still In The Intro But She Died 12 Episodes Ago
Not Counting The Vision
Lol I was like Rob....it was soooo stressful watching Andrea.....Carl showed no remorse for killing that kid
Ive watched this episode about 100 times and ONLY just realised that cross at the end is where they buried andrea 🤦🏼♀️
Unlike most I actually loved Andrea and was gutted she was killed off Season 4 has some great character development and plots and I’d have loved to have seen her growth I liked how the small piano jingle that played during her death was also the same music as Dale’s death theme uniting them Andrea’s final words of I tried not only means she tried to prevent the Governor and Prison war but she also tried at life instead of just committing suicide She died now she had purpose to save Woodbury It was sad to lose 2 original female characters in one season both Lori and Andrea whom both died never having killed another human being ultimately making them some of the most innocent characters to die and still holding on to some of their humanity.
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@@robtrinreact2825 ahaha Rob you’re right about how they wrote Andrea this episode. It was because of the change in showrunners and rushed writing after they committed to the previous showrunners idea. But atleast you both don’t have to worry about that. Season 4s showrunner sticks with us till the end and oversees everything lol
Andreas death was apprently VERY last minute. She was supposed to survive but the showrunner killed her last minute and I remember the acress and some folks behind the scenes not being happy. The show really screwed up the character but more than that, they didn't exactly respect the actress.
Funnily enough, the showrunner was replaced for season 4, with a showrunner who wrote some of the best episodes of seasons 2 and 3 and went on to helm seasons a lot of fans like quite a bit, for awhile at least.
"Well I had an 8 year deal, I was supposed to be there until the end. I was supposed to end up with Rick. I was supposed to save Woodbury on a horse, and I was buying a house in Atlanta. I got the call at 10 o’ clock the night before, while I was shooting, from the show runner who is no longer a part of The Walking Dead, saying that they couldn’t write the episode and that he was killing my character. So we all got the script everybody on the set was sobbing. I felt like I got shot. None of it was supposed to happen the way it did."
I don't see when Andrea showed any good intuition this season or the previous... she fell for Shane, then after spending several months with Michonne who saved her life, she gives up on her immediately after meeting the Governor, even though Michonne tells her he is a bad guy and Merle works for him, then she stays with the Governor after she finds out that her old friends are fighting against him, after finding out that Shane is dead, her intuition tells her that Rick is bad, she doesn't kill the Governor when she has the chance, she tries to negotiate peace, even though it would be clear to anyone with a good intuition that that's not possible, then she doesn't kill him again, then she has long conversations with a person that is about to turn to a walker and dies because of it
This is such a good episode! And you both are spot on with your comments during the video. Milton stood up to the Governor. And Milton paid the ultimate price for doing so. Andrea, didn't want any more people in either group to die, she could've been a leader. And although Andrea's character was confounding at times, she was a valuable member of the group.Season 4 is so amazing! I wish I could binge watch your TWD reaction videos, because I enjoy hearing your take on the episodes so much! But, I will have to wait until Sunday to see your next video! See you on Sunday!👍
Also, when you say the writers "fucked her character"
The actress had an 8 season contract with the show, but they wanted to use her death as a major shock for the season finale. Thus the akward writing for her character, as they adjusted her story arc from what it was, to inevitably dying in the finale here. In the comic she goes on for quite along while longer and has a rather large story, so naturally people were quite upset when she died.
Not THE SHOW, the director, who was a total arsehole. It was also not changed at all, it was a last second decision before the episode was written
If I remember correctly she and the show runner also didn't get along too well...which may have influenced this decision.
@@RicketyRooster you may be right, it's been so long now, hard to remember exact details, I just remember it being a shock because her having a big contract was rather Public for some reason.
It's true, the writers did Andrea dirty. While she was frustrating, she deserved better. And she was originally on for an 8 season deal. The actress was shocked when she got killed in season 3, breaking the contract.
It was pretty sad to see Andrea never got her comic book counterpart. She is much more badass in the comics and survives much more longer as well. After Lori died in the comics, Andrea eventually falls in love with Rick and they’re together for a while until her actual death later on. Love seeing y’all’s reaction to a series I adore so much
They got together long after Lori died tho
You guys are so good with what's going to happen. You guys are calling it every time. You got it with Milton trying to kill the governor then Andrea dying. I agree that the part with Andrea in the chair was extremely frustrating. The fact that she kept stopping. She got her hand free. She very well could have killed him. I wish they would have shown it. You guys will love S4. The fact that you don't have to wait once a week or 3 dang months is going to make S4 even better than when I originally watched it. Can't wait ☺️
You two are really running through the seasons can't believe you are already on season 4 still lots of twists and turns to come. Look forward to all the reactions allong the way.
Already can’t wait for season 4 this show honestly does just keep getting better
Full on enjoying watching your experience with this show.
we are zooming along! i love the walking dead and i love how much you guys love it too
Oh also Ben. The kid that blocked Merle's shot of the governor was also the body Merle was eating when Daryl found him as a walker. 😊 Yes I'm rewatching ☺️
Completely agree with writers failing Andrea, The Actress had been told she would be in it for the long run and had just bought a home nearby where they are filming just to be told they are killing her off, in the end they just gave her comic story to another Actress.
You guys are gonna absolutely love season 4 its my favorite season in the whole twd universe and then season 5 it just gets better and better
No cliffhanger is a pretty big cliffhanger
Andrea in the comics lives part the Prison Arc and she gets with Rick. The Andrea in the show is completely different from the comic Andrea.
Even if I feel like she had so much potential, it was really interesting watching the episodes as it came out bc it was still early seasons and losing an OG person was so significant at least for me. Like bc it was an OG person and she was at the crosshairs of the battle, it kinda made up for it. I wouldn’t imagine anyone else really taking the hit but I agree I feel like some things were out of character but her flaws were also part of her character. Having an OG die makes u feel like any person can die in a way and there’s that fear like where could they take each character 😮😂
Good day to you Rob and Trin...looking forward to the show..yeah..
Thank you Linda, have a lovely day aswell
What sucks is that Andrea was one of the most important characters in the comics. Moving forward, various different characters are going to get traits from comic Andrea, in terms of personality, skills, and overall importance to the story.
Her adaptation replacement makes more sense though.
When this first aired, most fans were not sad that Andrea bit the dust. To this day, she is the most disliked character of the good guys. A lot of shows have the "stupid character", someone who at every turn makes the wrong decision. After the CDC, when did Andrea make the right decision....almost never. Blamed Dale for her living, shot Darrell, slept with Shane and didn't see his dangerous side, believed in Woodbury, believed in the Gov., had a chance to take him out twice and didn't, blamed Rick and the gang for some of the trouble. I wasn't sad to see her go.
For me that's a finale that aged well. There was a lot of disappointment at the time with everyone saying the assault on the prison was too quick and the absence of a clear cliffhanger was the cause of much criticism (a complaint that will seem hugely ironic sometime down the line), but watching it years later I don't feel any of that. For a start, it feels weird to complain about the lack of action in an episode that must have one of the largest body counts of any in the show. Andrea gets the tragic end that's been coming ever since she got separated from the group when the farm fell, the Governor turns out to be more of a threat to his own people than to ours and we're going to have to keep an eye on Carl because Hershel's concerns are not unreasonable. I particularly like how they handled that - by seeing Carl take the shot without the kid he killed in the frame we can't know for sure whether Hershel is right. Did he Carl see movement that gave him a reason to shoot?
I will say, in relation to Andrea's struggle with the pliers, I can see how it feels like we feel the heavy hand of the writers there, but to be fair to Andrea we don't know how long she's been in that chair. At least overnight, surely. I'm assuming the Governor hasn't fed her or given her water. And before that she came from a harrowing chase across the unknown number of miles between Woodbury and the prison (it seems unlikely she got any sleep in the boot (trunk) of Phil's car on the way back to Woodbury). Plus, even at that stage, it's still not easy to watch someone you once trusted (loved?) murder a friend of yours in cold blood, or to sit with that friend as they slowly bleed to death. Plenty of reason for her not to be on her full game. (I remember on the original airing the large number of people who were convinced had they been in her place they'd have easily grabbed those pliers and been out of there in no time. it seemed to me then - and still does now - that there is a lack of empathy and a great deal of over-confidence in that belief. The questions are always harder when you're under the lights and the camera is rolling...)
part of the appeal for Andrea of being with the Governor is his authority like she wanted to be Woodburys First Lady. I believe part of her was jealous of Lori being with the leader of the original group.
A recently turned Walker is by far the strongest no decomposition of the muscle body or brain fully meaning they are able to exert greater amount of force and they were able to as a human like when you’re drunk most of your pain receptors are killed that’s why they were able to rip flesh from body
I really think you guys should start reading the graphic novels to see how the story arcs of certain characters differed... Andrea in the comics is a totally different character, for instance. Even though I really grew to hate Andrea while watching the show, I thought that they did a great job of finally redeeming her.
Only if I could like this video more. I love your guys consistency.
Thank you Trevor, means a lot to us.
TWD creator Robert Kirkman, wanted the comic book and the TV show to be separate franchise's. In the comic, Andrea would eventually hook up with Rick, becoming an apocholytic couple!
To actress Laurie Holden's disappointment, the show runners did not go with the comic book version.
In 2007, just three years before TWD premier, Andrea, Dale and Carol would appear in the Stephen King horror: The Mist.
Small world. RIP Season 3!
She tried Andrea tried she tried to help everybody everyone she tried 😞
Can’t wait till you watch season 4/5/ and 6 such great seasons! I’m now on season 7 episode 5 you are in for an amazing ride guys!